Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Katyusha]

I wonder if anyone would actually replace into the game.

I would!

[Katyusha]

I've been following along for a while so don't worry about me catching up.

Condolences to simyk, big fan and all

I'm ready to lynch Janitor unless people want my extended thoughts on anything?

[Katyusha]

I'm starting with Ausuka, ircher, and taly as conftown. Simyk was here from reading along but she kind of dwindled into probtown but I think that was just rl impacting her

Janitor slot is almost always scum. Failing that it's Iconeum and we never lose going from Janitor to Iconeum as a result since we have enough town slots and we know that there's a roleblocker or scum cop in play. I know I'm town and A50's lolclaim prevents that slot from being scum - I agreed with simyk it's never in Mutant/Taly/Eddie regardless of reads for the rb slot.

Rest can be sorted out when I read for associations

[Katyusha]

^prevents that slot from being scum rb*

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo i dont know a50 that well but he would probably do that as scum

[Katyusha]

look if you asked me to explain the inner machinations of simyk's mind i would die before i had the chance to utter a single word

that slot's never rb

[Katyusha]

So yall mind if i soviet hammer

[Katyusha]

:kappa:

[Katyusha]

Dave is 10th on the draft... the claim means nothing, he's just, not RB to me. full stop.

actually from your pov this is the case since there's literally no possible team without duplicates or without you in it

for davesaz to be scum one of ico/me/janitor/i fuckign guess taly HAS to be the scum rb and i hope it's abundantly obvious me/davesaz are never scum together so always lynch in ico/janitor first

So yall mind if i soviet hammer

I wanted hammer but like if it's a soviet hammer I could make an exception?

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas

i'll go make it but wait for mutant then

[Katyusha]

m i n d m e l d

[Katyusha]

like thats basically where my head was following the game

[Katyusha]

woah there buddy

[Katyusha]

but yeah i dont really want to put in effort until we get a flip unless someone has a specific question for me

close-reading 100 or so pages when i know that there's one scum in janitor/ico and it's like janitor 70% of the time makes trifling between which of eddie/davesaz/ico/janitor/mutant seems pointless until i have that flip for certain

[Katyusha]

if you're scum you absolutely can and should lie about things like that lol

plus with a jk there's plausible deniability that you were actually rb'd by a doc/rb slot, at worst you bait out the only threatening slot besides jk/tracker to your team. plus if the rolecop investigated you that makes the 1v1 vs the doc claim 100% easier to win

[Katyusha]

would anyone be shocked if ico+janitor were both scum

[Katyusha]

am i hallucinating

[Katyusha]

ircher walk me through your thought process in that vote step by step

[Katyusha]

yeah the team is probably ico/janitor/davesaz but why is your vote on me

[Katyusha]

ok? where do you want me to begin

i know the general events of the game but like i almost never read on replace in since i usually skim games live

[Katyusha]

I was responding to your point on Iconeum

Iconeum, if scum!cop, should always claim roleblocked. Not doing so is stupid lmao

[Katyusha]

like i think it's fairly clear i'm talking about ico there?? you weren't jailkept

[Katyusha]

nor do you have reason to claim you were

[Katyusha]

OK, why do you think Simyk played the game like scum? I townread them before replacing in so I'd like to hear your reasoning

[Katyusha]

i mean what reads do you want me to expand on

you're mechanically town
ausuka is comedically out of her scumrange
taly's ate is extremely genuine and i dont think he's the type of scum player to fake that

it doesn't matter what i think of ico/janitor since literally one of them has to be scum here

i think eddie is within his scumrange but he's not a top pick for scum. i liked simyk's case on a50 early on in the game and do believe that's a legit reason to scumread someone and kind of sympathized with her bc the same thing happened to me with Alban in 675 basically (scumread someone for same reasons, literally no one wanted to lynch them despite being obvious scum. i dont really have the same strength simyk did/does but yeah), i think mutant trying to solve the game mechanically is probably coming from a genuine perspective

lynch order theoretically is probably janitor > ico > davesaz > eddie > mutant. no one else is worth considering

deepwolfing isnt really a real reason to suspect someone but poe does mean something. why are you clearing davesaz?

[Katyusha]

Davesaz is vindicated by Almost50 whom he replaced.

Thoughts on davesaz, mutant, taly, and ausuka is what I want.

davesaz is lacking some of his inquisitiveness i usually see from town him, I used to have a pretty good handle of his meta and could read him off of even like 2 posts. i'm getting a mixed read from his posts alone since i'm not sure how much of it is rl impacting him but lack of townieness in this gamestate is enough for a scumread on my part. I don't think A50's blowup was at all genuine, like I think he legitimately dislikes and blacklisted whoever he thinks simyk is and would replace out either way, but nothing about their exchange made any sense and i wouldn't townread a50 from it ever. the lolclaim is something scum!A50 would definitely do, i don't think that's clearing whatsoever

mutant is like poe town i guess, his mechanical approach is already giving him an incorrect read (regardless of his read on me ausuka/taly are 100% never scum here lmfao...) so i shouldn't discount him just hiding behind it but he's been fairly open with his thought process when asked w his simyk interactions so i dont think this is the case. not locktown but >randtown

taly's mathdino interactions lock him as clear. sorry but this isn't moving

i know ausuka's meta pretty well since lycanfire and i have discussed it over discord several times, ausuka is just... never scum here. she's like one of the most obvious scum players and she's 100% town here

pedit: i should probably get back to my coding too i have like nothing in my portfolio and my sister has been nagging me about wanting to make a game with her. im trying to teach myself C# rn and use unity since that's probably the fastest way to get something passable going

[Katyusha]

unable to stop my mafia addiction and have been like physically ill from not logging in on this site probably

ive been following this game for simyk and you so i figured repping in would be quick and painless lol

[Katyusha]

game is basically solved so it's a zero effort game on my part as well

[Katyusha]

town lost because i depression flaked

im not in a depressive episode so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Katyusha]

but ok if this is ~not a zero effort win~ what is the blind spot im fucking up?

like are you asking me to scumread you or something lmao

[Katyusha]

expand

pedit: uh ok but i have been reading along

[Katyusha]

i dont even know what i know

like ive basically been following from page 1 on and off. if there's a detail i forgot i forgot it but i think it's pretty clear from my posting i have a general sense of key events? (a50's replace out, some of simyk's cases, the mechanical shenanigans, etc)

i havent even cracked out an iso yet tho besides davesaz and obvs yours now

game is basically solved so it's a zero effort game on my part as well

lol no.

one scum in janitor/ico, neither are good enough scum players to conceal interactions well. im not super worried, one of them needs to flip and then the game falls into place from my pov

[Katyusha]

greed. Lets the rolecop guilty you. If scum gets that slot taking Doc still confirms town doesn't have doc so they can just NK any PRs instead of RBing them (bar the watcher shot).

do u still believe this

[Katyusha]

Would scum take rb with #1 expecting nobody else to even attempt to get cop? Then have their less useful PR (rolecop) try to get the cop (if there is one) to CC?

Hammer intent.
Do we even need mutant's info?

Wanna explain that read while you're here?

none of these are the kind of depth i expect from town!you though which is what im talking about

yes

a theory question is relevant why

getting into scum!you's mindset

the only reason there is to entertaining reading more is exploring worlds where the team is not janitor/ico/davesaz which significantly increases your scum equity so?

if you're town yeah it's pointless

[Katyusha]

ah fuck right you replaced brass ok

You're looking waaay too late in my iso and cherry picking things that show your point.

then show me a counter example because those are the only questions i found in your iso?

[Katyusha]

Sup Davesaz. You town?

Yes, I'm town.
Is asking people their alignment the worst way to get reads?

was i supposed to count this...............................

[Katyusha]

Then I guess that's my problem because I mostly did this work pre-replace in.

[Katyusha]

It's like when I misread House by ctrl-f'ing the amount of times he said "fuck" lmao

[Katyusha]

I don't get why lovebird is even possible as town. I could not find any attempt at sorting people, and I have a pretty good record for finding people via that scumtell.
Janitor would be an acceptable alternative wagon. I was there before but the game needed action.

Show me how lalendra is scum. It's a simple question.

If you think lalendra is scum, it should be relatively easy to show.
If you think lalendra is town, then lovebird is a better choice anyway.

i think it'd help if you just showed me your counterexample though

the stuff i usually have had luck reading you with isnt really helping here

[Katyusha]

ignore those quoted msgs

[Katyusha]

anyway im signing off for today

there's no reason to not lynch janitor today so we go from there. if he's rb i'm cleared, if he's goon then i'll selfvote since people are piecing my slot together as a janitor partner and i'd rather get rid of my slot at that rate after i do an ico!scum gamesolve (i highly HIGHLY doubt anyone is going to say that town!me means that ico can possibly be town so my lynch confirms ico as scum in this scenario), if he's town then ico has to be scum from my pov and i do a gamesolve at that time and we square off at lylo

play here seems clear

[Katyusha]

pulled a math all nighter yesterday lemme catch up real fast

also ircher that hammers mine

[Katyusha]

Actually Katy, Ico and you are both clear if Jan is the scum RB because that means Janitor was top scum on the draft

scum dont want to be caught with a rolecop as first slot is always an obvious choice

i think most people take osvig or cop in most circumstances regardless of alignment. it's just too risky to do anything else and even vig is pulling it

[Katyusha]

i dont even know what i know

like ive basically been following from page 1 on and off. if there's a detail i forgot i forgot it but i think it's pretty clear from my posting i have a general sense of key events? (a50's replace out, some of simyk's cases, the mechanical shenanigans, etc)

i havent even cracked out an iso yet tho besides davesaz and obvs yours now

game is basically solved so it's a zero effort game on my part as well

lol no.

one scum in janitor/ico, neither are good enough scum players to conceal interactions well. im not super worried, one of them needs to flip and then the game falls into place from my pov

You realize there are 3 scum? Having a 50% chance of getting one correct isn't an autowin, esp. when we are like 1 mislynch from LyLo.

okay but like

4 clears from my pov and one dipole is still a fuckton of information to parse once Janitor/Ico flip. you can clear people off of associatives and draft information. it's not just a 50/50 chance, it's a pretty damn educated one

[Katyusha]

Wait what? We're suspicious of SIMYK now?

Gimme a bit of time though I was mostly checking in because replacing into this slot seems hellish lol

I still think dave is a prime candidate and I didn't remember him adding a whole lot to the game after my last post in which I still had my mind in the game.

Taly, Irch, Eddie strongest townreads, I feel I explained those? Well mostly Taly/Eddie but I can buy Ircher being town by draft et cetera

so can we hammer this yet

[Katyusha]

However, I fear Eddie may be deep wolfing. So if someone I strongly town read can really look into them and their predecessor then I will be grateful.

if anyone knows how to meta eddie that'd be fantastic for my reference lmao, he's not that easy to read fme and we havent had a scumflip yet which is usually how i go about reading him

also i'm like? really sure neither of taly or ausuka are scum. is it really inconceivable from your pov that they're both town?

[Katyusha]

anyway if no one has anything to say to me im finna conk out in 15

janitor flip is basically the domino to get the ball rolling here

[Katyusha]

I'm not casting a vote until we pin down a team.

pedit: Yeah that kill isn't that shocking to me honestly, scum only need 1 lynch to win so the WIFOM of not going for ircher isn't useful. Plus it solidifies a me-scum/ico-town narrative before devle has the chance to take it back after Janitor flipped town so

Note:

Moving forward, I will be offering to have nights accelerated. It will occur when the following three conditions are met: all night actions are in, everyone has seen the night start PM, and I don't receive a request stating otherwise.

Iconescum?

i dont get it but if it helps you see it i'll take it LMFAO

[Katyusha]

Ico town/me town: Illogical
Ico scum/me town: Ico's night action doesn't matter
Ico scum/me scum: Ico's night action doesn't matter
Ico town/me scum: Ico's night action matters?

at the same time though i feel like it's a shitty way to blow ico's cover, it's probably NAI

[Katyusha]

The only conceivable world where Ico and I are both town is one where the team is Taly/Davesaz/{Ausuka/Eddie}

Gonna go ahead and say that's irreconcilable with reality? I don't think that team's plan would be too awful (Taly takes 1-shot vig and fails, A50 tries neighborizer, 6 slot takes vengeful - ok maybe not taking n3 vig is awful but yeah) but Taly WAY more likely to be town than Ico here

pedit: will read next

[Katyusha]

Care to elaborate on that first opinion? I don't really buy the second that much either, but I guess I'll live with it...

Ausuka's just one of those people who can't emulate her towngame that well as scum - she waffles strangely and just posts in a really distinctive manner and is guilty of the "not reading the thread as deep" tell when she's scum - it's how I caught her in the one game we played together way back when. The Ausuka here lacks that entirely and I'm confident in my ability to read Ausuka via meta that I am conftowning her.

[Katyusha]

Ftr I don't believe Ico and Dave are a team

Is there a specific thing that makes you see this? I was honestly entertaining davesaz!town during the night but I didn't really get far with that beyond shower thoughts.

[Katyusha]

Noting that the Ausuka-wagon is all-town (that is with ofc the assumption I am town).

...Why would scum want to keep Ausuka alive? I think it's entirely conceivable that even though Lovebird is objectively always the better lynch there that the cw could be all town here and that alone is meaningless, but seeing that I want to investigate her ISO more to see if she was holding a pro-scum opinion or something. I'm assuming towncred isnt the plan here considering scum were more than happy to flip that entire lynch wagon eventually.

[Katyusha]

Also the D2 Lalendra lynch is 100% scum motivated, she was confirmed to NOT be a roleblocker and we absolutely needed to lynch within that dipole so that Janitor/My slot/Iconeum could be resolved before lylo

[Katyusha]

{Eddie, Taly, Ausuka, Iconeum}

^ unflipped on lalendra ^

forgot where davesaz stood on the issue but if he was in favor of any lynch besides janitor or me that's scummy for him ESPECIALLY because he was in 675

[Katyusha]

oh for the record i confirm being hooded etc

so far i'm only able to confirm ircher is in the hood but i highly doubt that they lied about everyone else too LMFAO

[Katyusha]

This one's for the duckling.

VOTE: lalendra

by the way why did everyone collectively forget about this vote? like all i really remember about this game while following it was d1 stuff so this completely slipped my mind and wasnt brought up at ALL day 3 and there's literally nothing town about this

there's NO reason for someone within the cop/rb dipole to vote someone who's confirmed to

not

be a roleblocker, especially when you're hammering that lynch in when the moral was coming back to janitor. All this ever does is delay the 1v1 between whichever of {Simyk, Janitor} survives D3, specifically to prevent a Janitor > Simyk > Ico chain lynch that probably would have won the game.

I don't know if a lolhammer like that is more likely to come from a wagon that's mostly town or scumled but the janitor push (including my slot) was entirely town that day - scum WANT to prevent or delay the rb hunt

[Katyusha]

The LOGICAL conclusion here is that SOMEONE whom is a VT is LYING or that ICONEUM is lying ┐(´-｀)┌

THIS MEANS the PLAUSIBLE jails are all bad lynches REGARDLESS of claims BEFORE we find the roleblocker - as a BARE minimum the lynchpool should be {Davesaz, Janitor, Iconeum, SIMYK} if we are going to RESOLVE this dipole

i mean gee it's almost like someone pointed out why the lalendra lynch was garbage at the time

[Katyusha]

holy fuck no

[Katyusha]

"No comment"

[Katyusha]

ok there is comment now but i haven't processed it yet but my opinion of voting <24 hours into lylo has not changed

[Katyusha]

okay i guess not??????

[Katyusha]

Taly, where did you go?

lease dish out some sanity in the hood im gonna mcfreaking lose it here

[Katyusha]

eddie can you reconcile yourself with the fact that im the only possible scum who voted janitor at some point d2 which means that there's probably at least 2 scum on lalendra from literally everyone's pov or is that bad for your narrative

pedit: yes it does :////////////

[Katyusha]

100% is an indication of confidence not volume of scum

[Katyusha]

scum needed the lalendra lynch, only iconeum is ensured a lock win from it

I can reconcile you being xcum if that's the question

theres still two scum on lalendra which would mean that my slot probably still wanted lalendra lynched, which obviously is not the case from her posting but w/e

[Katyusha]

again how does this connect to speedvoting ausuka

[Katyusha]

screaming

[Katyusha]

no

taly is town

[Katyusha]

it's davesaz or you in his place

[Katyusha]

i am fairly confident yes???????

and sorry im not assuming that when i dont see town pulling bullshit like this EVER

[Katyusha]

wake me up inside

[Katyusha]

that's not a reason to fuCKiughsd;ilfaj;dlfkjasdl;fjas;ldfjas;ldfjas;ldfjasd;lkfasfasdk

[Katyusha]

im convulsing what the FUCK is this game

pedit: h o w d o e s t h a t c o n n e c t t o s p e e d v o t i n g a u s u k a

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

common sense

[Katyusha]

taly can you please post in the hood im dying inside

[Katyusha]

thats not what i mean ircher

i need taly to dish out some sanity out here

[Katyusha]

common sense as in like





ico and me arent aligned LMFAO

[Katyusha]

"common sense is not that common"
-gucci

(a real quote lol Google it)

r u gonna like acknowledge why it's common sense we're not aligned or

[Katyusha]

you're a better scumplayer than me that's public knowledge

[Katyusha]

:kappa:

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[Katyusha]

LITERALLY THE MOST STRESSFUL 15 MINS EVER

VOTE: ausuka

in case of commie shenanigans

[Katyusha]

simyk GOAT tho tbh <3

hope ur doing ok anumi ^_^

[Katyusha]

<3

im sorry but there was zero reason to not lynch me here LMFAO

[Katyusha]

Katy/Ico/Dave

A50 and simyk had a falling out in the scum pt hence the replace out

rc/alban had similar interactions lmao

[Katyusha]

it's davesaz :/

[Katyusha]

How is Icon/Dave scum together?

Ausuka had it backwards - Ico giving bad reasons to scumread Dave was textbook distancing lmao

LITERALLY THE MOST STRESSFUL 15 MINS EVER

VOTE: ausuka

in case of commie shenanigans

SERIOUSLY?????????

what did you expect from quickvoting in lylo.....

[Katyusha]

^

im baffled

[Katyusha]

*hugs*

you didnt deserve your vig either

btw obviously i was roleblocker and eddie was vengeful, taly trueclaimed

ZERO clue why simyk gave brass a venge lmao if they were going ham on not bussing they should have still went vig even if brass is bad scum *shrug*

[Katyusha]

also the scum pt (and myself since i wasnt here at the time) also strongly believes lalendra deserved better

hugs all around - i wish i could have been here from the start this seemed like a chill table

[Katyusha]

Nope, was mostly not wanting mutant to reevaluate

pedit: I figured but I knew my slot was dying so I figured I'd just go ham and hope it tied Ausuka to me. I think that's what Simyk was going for so I just kind of ran with it

[Katyusha]

An Eddie vote would have lead to a quick hammer as well mutant

[Katyusha]

Theyre QTs so I think we can just post?

[Katyusha]

^ gonna wait on mod for this one ^

[Katyusha]

I know, I was in one

Didnt want my confusion to reveal me as scum LMFAO

[Katyusha]

no problem releasing here, just waiting on taly and eddie (and simyk? i can ping her on discord i guess since unlike brass she was pretty substantially posting in here)

[Katyusha]

relatable

[Katyusha]

no thats dead qt lmao

[Katyusha]

Also, I knew something was up when Taly stopped responding to me in the neighborhood PT...

he could have just been working on that readlist :shrug:

he was online for a while lol a big portion of the qt at the end is me panicking about getting the qh in

[Katyusha]

tbf the lalendra situation was probably unavoidable but even if she was confscum she should have never been lynched

you always resolve the rb situation the second it comes up

[Katyusha]

i thought you were great~!

of course mechanical stuff is useful, it's just that almost everyone does it wrong, gets bad results, and eithe realizes it themselves and stops or convinces others it's bad by how shit they do with that.

Ngl the whole time I was thinking "ugh, I bet I'm so far off and it's going to be so embarrassing" but to find out I right gives me a bit of an ego boost and confidence to trust in these types of reads in future games. Of course, now that people know I'm going to be putting heavy faith in that, they might intentionally go against it just to fuck me up :3

i wonder how rb!taly would have impacted the game? something i was actually thinking during the night lmao

[Katyusha]

right but the dipole that was established was rb in me or scumcop in ico - if i were something else (vig, neighborizer vt) and after my lynch i didnt flip rb that might impact how ico is read?

pedit: damn that really sucks

[Katyusha]

he was mostly right tho LMFOA

[Katyusha]

i dont think vca would have incriminated this specific team fwiw unless you like eliminated a lot of people, but at that point it's just poe

scum clearly tried to make sure they voted together at points it was weird to i remember seeing in the post i was working on w vca before ircher sniped me

[Katyusha]

Lovebird (4) - Iconeum, Eddie Cane, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Taly

"i bet the scumteam decided to pile on the same person after naked voting together D1"

said no one ever

[Katyusha]

Wait Ircher how did simyk talking about a “drinking vessel of water” connect to her being an RB LMFAOOOOO

[Katyusha]

Eddie did you know brass was scum with simyk?

can at least say eddie and i are both pretty familiar with brass meta so i suspected his slot was scum here

no clue how well eddie and simyk know each other though *shrug*

[Katyusha]

scum are basically 50/50 on rb vs jk so i wouldnt fault yourself over it

a watcher would have screwed scum over here though!

[Katyusha]

i still dont get why ircher voted for me lmao

obviously your vote was completely reasonable (i was telling the truth that off of meta i wouldn't townread you, but that's a reason to prod you and sort you, not to just call you poe scum)

[Katyusha]

btw i wish i could have vicariously lived thru mylo's dead thread posting live

im the same way in pts

[Katyusha]

this alone was a mood

[Katyusha]

<3

[Katyusha]

the setup pyp xy is townsided but this was a particularly scumsided iteration

[Katyusha]

scum won on a dice roll is basically your point LMFAO

though honestly when the JK is such an obvious n1 kill i would have just gone offensively here, i'm assuming taly/eddie/simyk was a defensive pool?

[Katyusha]

rolecop could seriously hurt a scumteam that wins roles in the draft, i wouldn't go to say it's a throw but i agree UB is better almost every time

[Katyusha]

Lalendra confirmed Iconeum was a cop
The lylo lynch should have always been either Icon or a potential roleblocker, simyk
Scum wouldn't try for roleblocker at the bottom of the draft

This was addressed constantly by my slot LMFAO