Mini 2020: Destiny III: Cosmic Mafia [終わり]

[thepixiecollective]

hi guys

whats going on

[thepixiecollective]

Which one of y'all wants to party in harmony with me tonight?

DGB, Katsuki, Nacho, Staeg get first dibs

excuse me

didn't you leave some1 out of your list

[thepixiecollective]

haven’t seen cupcake be scum in a while. odds are good that means he’s scum here

Vote: Cupcake

KILL: CUPCAKE

its always a good idea to lynch teh cupcake d1

VOTE: cupcake

[thepixiecollective]

hi guys

whats going on

Oh shit is that the mollie hydra


You can go between Katsuki and nacho with dibs

<3 <3 <3

[thepixiecollective]

MOLLIE

WHERE DAT AVATAR AT

WILL GET 1 LATER TONIGHT <3

[thepixiecollective]

ah the nostalgia

Excuse me sir but if you really wanted nostalgia you'd have given me, DGB, and mollie a shared dayvig

I APPROVE OF THIS POST

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on a slightly less serious note, kuribo seems town, despite being unwilling to vote cupcake (nobody is perfect and some mistakes can be forgiven)

pixie might be town too

The last game I saw Katsuki get wagoned without a post was Bipolar Mafia, which I modded


It might have happened in another game I was in or saw but that's the one that strikes first and foremost to my memory

Either way there's no damn way that wagon is town driven, and I'm giving the side-eye to ol' Nekkid Voting Ghost over there too

IT WAS BIPOLAR MAFIA AND IT WAS FUNNY

[thepixiecollective]

i would not be at all surprised if he's town and the wagon is scum-infested

but otoh there's lynching cupcake before he can even post

so

dilemma

^^^^

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CAN SOME1 PLZ TRANSLATE LLD TO ME

[thepixiecollective]

thanks muffina!

eta: and espy!

[thepixiecollective]

FITE!! FITE!! FITE!!

ETA: WELL NOW THAT IS JUST DISAPPOINTING

[thepixiecollective]

I do think his posts ring true

his thoughts (e.g. about you) probably are true

i don't think that makes him town (or looks town)

felt a bit like he was trying too hard to _seem_ town but it may just be because this particular mix of players brings out a different type of play

does this mean you have your #gameface on muffina

[thepixiecollective]

When I am king you will be first against the wall

If you know anything about me you know i don't make idle threats

M'kay. That's nice. Next.

I can't tell if I like your feistiness or if your smug attitude makes me want to return to the Okd Ways.

its been a while since some1 gave you shit I think its great

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Pedit2: I've played enough games with LLD to be able to read her every time she's been scum against me I've caught her

Same, so shall we go by seniority and depth of experience?

add me to the list, and I am trusting no1 else's read on lld except for my own.

town got burned the game lld and I just played in and I cldn't get any1 to look at her even tho she shld have been in every1's poe list she wasn't. it was just me. me and the butterflies.

[thepixiecollective]

Just do what I do and say you meta'd them, it's pretty much the same percentage-wise.

Unless you're mollie and you keep detailed files on the personality tics of every single person you've ever played with.

y u call me out like that kuribo I thought we were fwends

[thepixiecollective]

currently want to lynch in these players, unless they start looking town:
{cupcake,

dunnstral

, cupcake, kokichi, cupcake,

feysal

, cupcake,

nacho

, cupcake}

maybe add cupcake to that list

yikes

well well well this is interesting

[thepixiecollective]

Just do what I do and say you meta'd them, it's pretty much the same percentage-wise.

Unless you're mollie and you keep detailed files on the personality tics of every single person you've ever played with.

y u call me out like that kuribo I thought we were fwends

DO YOU HAVE ONE ON US?

you have your own column cupcake I haven't around to camn yet

[thepixiecollective]

i thought you were pretty easy to read in fakegod game

you actually looked town from the onset

you don't here

[thepixiecollective]

@mod you have me voting cupcake and stag when my vote should only be on stag ty

math is hard

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What if Cupcake is town, Feysal? How does that reflect on Esp?

It would weaken the read of course, but not erase it. Espeonage keeping his vote on Cupcake like that looks odd either way.

It feels disrespectful to only speak of Cupcake when Camn is also in the hydra. Maybe use Camncake? Or Cupcamn?

no. camn has sullied her hands enough by being in a hydra WITH cupcake no need to call attention to it

I said this started quickly cause I have no fucking idea what my role is.

I'm intrigued by this. I also find it believable, since I am also confused. I have some wild ideas about the setup, but I think it is too early to speculate.

we are not even close to set up spec except to say its fate's and we really have no idea what to expect

so ya don't go there. take a closer look at kokichi eccluding that post and tell me what you see

I want to peer into your brain

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I hate to admit it but so far cupcake might actually be my first townread and it makes want to cry

I want to wait for camn tho

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Maria and Kuribo's bigus dickus contest over who knows me more ending in a draw makes me feel they're both town. Or both scum? I don't see that interaction coming from TvS and them both being scum doesn't fit what I'm feeling in gut soooooooooooooooo call them both town.

Katsuki is doing Katsuki things. Would like to hear more from Camn head, will be easier to parse. Could lynch this slot literally any time, the longer it lives the worse Katsuki's lurkaderp live until endgame style is going to become a problem due to paranoia.

Ghost's response(124) to Kuribo's threat(44) is weak and feels very much like they know that backing down from Kuribo there gets them hung, but they don't know how to properly play it out, so they went for the classic "I don't care". It looks like they care. A lot. I don't like it.

Staeg calling my lazy ass posting about Espy very good is weird but not suspicious? I don't think staeg does that as scum buttttttttttttttttttttttttttt it certainly is kinda /shrug

Espy's response to my post is more of the same strategy? It's weird they doubled down on getting ahead of the push, when I called them out of it. It's NAI, but weird. Makes me twitch.

That said I have a bigger problem. Feysal's post regarding Espy is fucking AWFUL.

How are you going to, in the same post, do all the following

1) Call me town
2) Call my reasoning for voting Espy bad
3) Vote espy yourself

there's a disconnect there somewhere I just don't.... get it. If you think he's scum, then clearly my reasoning aligned into yours and found the right target. Why discredit that reasoning and the put your vote there?

Vote: Feysal

oh god

lld might be my second townread and I think I am going to sob wild;y in my arm

kill me. kill me now

[thepixiecollective]

DGB probably town? That's a day 2 problem. I think DGB is town but I think I'd like to see the scumputer start chugging out results before I commit to that. Meritocracy for DGB reads.

I read DGB better than anyone on this site, it's been proven time and again over eleven years. Hell, it's one of the things I'm most proud of--- I consider her my kindred spirit on this site, and one of my closest friends from the same. I've been town with her, scum with her, hydra'd with her, and every combination you can think of. DGB as scum fears me as town, and scum me fears town DGB. I have absolute faith that I will be able to correctly discern her alignment because I always have.

But even I don't try to figure her alignment out Day 1. That's a fool's errand as you know. I like what I see so far, but I know I have time to sort out DGB. Unless I die N1, in which case: yaaaaaay! If I can't lynch scum, getting killed by them is always second best.


Honestly getting a solid read on mollie Day 1 would be a higher priority because I really want mollie to be town. Town mollie is easy to work with, readily proposes reads, and reaches out to form blocs with her town reads. Scum mollie digs her tendrils in deep to poison the well. I want her to be town.

I'm town!

you haven't done that thing you do that you exclusively do as town but I really like the vibe that I am getting

thoughts on dunnstral?

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Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?

Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him

I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.

You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus

how so

[thepixiecollective]

Just do what I do and say you meta'd them, it's pretty much the same percentage-wise.

Unless you're mollie and you keep detailed files on the personality tics of every single person you've ever played with.

y u call me out like that kuribo I thought we were fwends

DO YOU HAVE ONE ON US?

you have your own column cupcake I haven't around to camn yet

OOO OOO WHAT DOES IT SAY

I will tell you what it says in 1 column

ut thinks its always a good idea to lynch cupcake on d1. sheep read.

also the time when you posted the communist manifesto as scum and got townread for it

oh and I have down the time when we gif warred each other

and the rest are just observations. I don't

stalk

keep such detailed notes these days but those are the 3 that are coloured yellow for "happy times".

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I hate to admit it but so far cupcake might actually be my first townread and it makes want to cry

I want to wait for camn tho

YOU DONT HAVE A TOWNREAD ON KURIBO?

he hasn't done his thing yet so I am withholding full commitment to it but yeah, town vibe

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cupcake might actually be my first townread and

it makes want to cry

good. that's how you should feel after saying something like that

I did. IRL.

you know I wldn't lie about something like that.

honest.

[thepixiecollective]

Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?

Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him

I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.

You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus

how so

The reason for pushing them she had wasn't correct from the start - she said that feysal couldn't think she was town, while not believing her reasoning, while also scumreading the same person for a different reason

yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.

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am i town mollie?

I plead the fifth. I wld need more time to sort you.

can we lynch dunnstral to speed things up?

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here:

VOTE: dunnstral

[thepixiecollective]

can we lynch dunnstral to speed things up?

you can consider my vote there in spirit if you wish. i don't think it's a bad vote. not sure im comfortable bussing atm though

I understand the dilemma. it takes a lot of effort to convince town to lynch scum and robs the entertainment value of playing scum.

we will consider it there in spirit

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yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.

It's not cog-dis and muffin explains why later in the thread[/quote]

just because muffina said its true doesn't mean it actually is.

it really is interesting to note that in your mind that he agreed with you makes it have value rather than what insight into muffina's alignment you gleaned from the exchange.

it seems like if you were town you wld actually be spending more time trying to figure out what muffina agreeing with you means, rather than trying to use it as a platform to validate your own position that it doesn't make feysal scummy in the first place.

does anybody else see where I am going with this?

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I'm doing you a favor by not responding to you

who are you talking to here?

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does anybody else see where I am going with this?

you're reading something that isn't there

ill be sitting over here until you figure out im town

also, the following is a blatant lie:

just because muffina said its true doesn't mean it actually is.

HHHMM

[thepixiecollective]

ag pulling at the heartstrings

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as in, I like her

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how do you feel about staeg?

unsure

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Off topic but I wonder where the word 'heartstrings' came from... huh...

oh! btw!

does anybody else see where I am going with this?

I'm lost. Could you explain please?

I don't even remember where I was going with this, it was a thought I had at the time.

are you reading the game through isos or are you reading consecutive posts in thread time?

cos that will totally effect how I read you. for realz.

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Off topic but I wonder where the word 'heartstrings' came from... huh...

oh! btw!

does anybody else see where I am going with this?

I'm lost. Could you explain please?

so! I went back. and then lost it again.

but it has returned.

dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something. I am kind of confused how they all wound up at the same place tho.

what do you think?

[thepixiecollective]

"they all"

all two of us

oh hush

[thepixiecollective]

though i hope you are all aware that for every day you leave cupcake alive, a <insert small animal you think is cute> dies

let that weigh on your consciences, you inhuman monsters

I already used the "every time

x

posts a kitten dies. stop the kitten killing madness!" on fakegod, muffina

stop stealing my material

[thepixiecollective]

Just do what I do and say you meta'd them, it's pretty much the same percentage-wise.

Unless you're mollie and you keep detailed files on the personality tics of every single person you've ever played with.

y u call me out like that kuribo I thought we were fwends

that was a compliment

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thoughts on dunnstral?

some of their posts seem kinda, wishy-washy? I guess? Or fence-sitty. Early game jitters, I think.

This is a game with multiple big personalities and I can see the timid trying to figure out where to jump in. That isn't alignment indicative, mind you. The feysel defense doesn't quite feel genuine to me. I didn't really like him trying to make it seem as if I was making a big deal over that one post and then tossing it into Muffin's yard.

sounds like a good reason to lynch him!

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I am so confused with these last 2 posts

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Help me kill this guy first

Because he's wishy wishy? So is LLD, + RL AtE which is as scummy as it gets.

Maybe we can have a harmonious debate on who should be lynched first? I'll dayvig the other.

yeah I have feeling this is gonna be 1 of those games where we bicker over who we are lynching first

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I want dunnstral in case anybody didn't notice

[thepixiecollective]

hi guys other head of pixie collective here

im mostly gonna be discussing things /w mollie internally bc you all terrify me for i am a delicate wallflower

but hit me up if you wanna chat or if you have xanax for sale ty glgl

[thepixiecollective]

hi guys other head of pixie collective here

im mostly gonna be discussing things /w mollie internally bc you all terrify me for i am a delicate wallflower

but hit me up if you wanna chat or if you have xanax for sale ty glgl

Bring to me the souls of the guilty and you have nothing to fear

I don't have Xanax but have you tried sleeping on the beach

i have mollie working hard on the souls aspect, i believe in delegation

i'll carry my end of the load re: sleeping on the beach. seems fair

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Dont make me break out my modkill stick as I read this thread

Fucks know better

fate I am totally fine with cory laying on the beach sipping fruity drinks.

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enough about fakeclaims

dunnstral is still alive

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also I like ag don't lynch them ever

[thepixiecollective]

@Mod - The VC is off. You missed 296 and 403.

math is hard

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I'm fine marking ghost as town

do you have any other reads?

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DGB is another "pretty much lock town" read in this game; she doesn't have anywhere the same amount of bite whether scum or town and, while I can find that playing with scumpartners she likes can elevate her play, I don't think that it would be elevated to this level.

I understand where LLD's coming from this game (it's an extremely awkward and uncomfortable place to come from), but DGB's just being DGB at this point and there's no reason for continued interactions here - you're just making yourself angrier and this game will continue to grate and be unfun until you manage to let go/disconnect from that particular piece. I have no problems with her reads so far, like the Kuribo/Maria observation in particular.

I initially didn't understand it, but there was a similar and different dynamic with RC and Kuribo and believe that both Maria and Kuribo have the type of pride in their scumgames that can lead to an interaction like that.

I can't parse the bold at all. cld you unpack this for me?

is your muffina vote a srs vote? I hope it is a srs vote. but I wld like to lynch dunnstral first.

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mollie, talk to me about why you have reads, but are prioritising them, especially when they are done in an order of leaving the better scum player alive longer.

Because the logic there is lost on me.

I am not sure what you are asking here? I have reads but they aren't in any particular order yet cos I am not fully done obtaining them. are you talking about me wanting to lynch dunns over muffina? its cos dunns is the stronger scumread. my townreads are...well, my townreads.

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And for the record this is why I get LLD's frustration

She got Fucking WOTC'd out of the game before the mid overruled it


You people decided she was such a toxic individual that you'd rather not play with her at all.

You don't see why she'd be frustrated? I feel her pain, because I don't want to end up in her position where people would rather not play with me anymore. She's frustrated because she feels like DGB is baiting her, I imagine. And While I disagree on that point, I do understand how it is when you're trying to be a better site presence.

I obvsly didn't wotc lld cos we just finished a game but I know where you are coming from. I think lld is a lot more sensitive than pple think.

but that is neither here nor there. I have a light townread on her but really I look at it this way, even if lld is scum she will lynch scum better than town ever cld. there are perks to just letting her be.

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I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.

you might want to lower your expectations there cos I for 1 am only going to listen to my own read. I have hydras with 5 players in this game, are you going to sheep my reads on all 5 of those players?

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I don't know if I've ever played a game with LLD where she didn't bring up her RL stuff, regardless of her alignment

I think she has in every game I have played with her too, I think its nai. I think she aTe's in her sleep. (jk lld)

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God damn

I very rarely ever solidify a read on DGB day 1, simply because it's dangerous. And when I do solidify that read the first day, it's because I've caught her as scum. Divining DGB's alignment is like tasting a fine wine or conjuring a dead Erdrich abomination: its best to take your time

For once though, I feel really really comfortable calling her town now.

I think she is town too

any thoughts on nacho?

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God damn

I very rarely ever solidify a read on DGB day 1, simply because it's dangerous. And when I do solidify that read the first day, it's because I've caught her as scum. Divining DGB's alignment is like tasting a fine wine or conjuring a dead Erdrich abomination: its best to take your time

For once though, I feel really really comfortable calling her town now.

I think she is town too

any thoughts on nacho?

I don't like the activity level but it's a holiday week, so I give that a pass and call that NAI

activity level is defo nai for nacho and I will fight that to the death

I agree with your assessment tho, I like his reads too but I can't tell if I am biased or not.

I think we are hitting our lockstep stride, so have fun and don't let the game stress you out. I got your back.

also join cupcake and I in our crusade to troll fate. its fun!

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I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.

you might want to lower your expectations there cos I for 1 am only going to listen to my own read. I have hydras with 5 players in this game, are you going to sheep my reads on all 5 of those players?

I can read Dunnstral better than any player and that's not even a joke. I'm his bestie for over a year I think my case trumps yours but sure do as you wish it's up to you to believe me when I say it or not

I gotcha and we are about even in that respect

I will take it in consideration and ty for the intel. I think dunns looks scummy scummy scummy but you have something to counter that I am all ears cos I don't want to wind up in a needless deathtunnel.

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~

Readslists Are Fun

~

Town

kuribo
ag
maria

Lean Town

lld
dgb
espy
feysal
cupcake

null

nacho
kokichi

Scumzorz

muffina
dunnes
staeg

likely wrong somewhere but this is where we are at.

[thepixiecollective]

-_- mollie you werent supposed to take his side

b-b-b-but cupcake started it

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Nacho is town but needs to be sorted? That doesn't make sense.

*cringe*

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@Dunn

- It hasn't occurred to me up until now, but what is your read on Kuribo?

Well I did say I wouldn't vote there today, not a townread for me though

why is this thing still alive

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dont think being wishy-washy is a bad thing. it might be though

posts like these are why I love muffina

still think he is scum tho

[thepixiecollective]

hi muffina

I have missed you

plz nk me thnx

[thepixiecollective]

also I wld like to point out that kokichi is a thing that exists in this game

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since you said please, i'll take your request into consideration

why is cupcake a town lean for you?

its very light and they are totally expendable but it is a vague sense of townfeels from them. also there is a little bit of "trust kuribo" in there as well.

do you think he is scum?

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fine, be that way. i didn't even want to have a conversation with you

I was thinking about it! it is hard to explain because it isn't solid

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also I am waiting for camn

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cupcake has posted more times in this D1 than he normally posts across entire games when he's town - i know that's probably in part because he's excited about it being a fate game with this player list but meh. i guess how much he's appealing to certain players doesn't sit well with me either. honestly don't remember the last time he put this much effort into a game he was town

he does seem a bit more active than usual but I don't have a meta read on him either way. I am waiting for camn to post more because I think then I will be able to get a better read off of the slot. at least that is what I am hoping for.

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what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)

I am not thrilled with nacho's posts. they seem very hollow and they lack the verve that I am used to seeing from him. however I had misread him often enough to give him more time and wait to see what else he comes up with.

what is your read on dunns? you said you were fine with lynching him but what is your actual read on him?

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i don't really think dunnstral is scum. nothing special here, just small things about his play that i think are more likely to come from town than scum

like what?

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i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here

I don't see that as alignment indicative, anybody with a passing familiarity with lld and dgb (and me for that matter) knows how combustible the situ can get and any sane person wld want to prevent that. just cos he is sane doesn't make him town.

I have played against scum!dunns before and he is the type to just kind of sit back and let things play out and let town eat its own, which is what I see him doing here. I also don't believe that he doesn't read kuribo as town at this point.

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the way he stated the kuribo read is weird. dont think it makes him scum, though. not really sure i'd expect someone with zero experience with kuribo to have him as a solid town read here

it'd be pretty easy for dunn-scum to just write kuribo off as town (like everyone else seems to be doing) instead of drawing attention to himself like that

see I don't necessarily think thats true. I understand him backing off of kuribo, again again sanity, but I don't see him doing anything else either.

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Phone posting, so plz forgive me for autocorrect mistakes.

@Maria - do you have Dunns as town or no cos I am confused

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Yeah Dunn's town.

I have srs doubts about this

can you sell it to me

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But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.

He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

I am ignoring it all of that because it has nothing to do with my read on him. kuribo is town cos this is town!kuribo and he will only be lynched over my dead body.

my question to you is, how do you not recognize town play when you see it? cos I think you do. and I am really not understanding how you do not have kuribo and maria as town.

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Spoiler:

Caught up.

Feysal I hope you'll pay me some attention in your next post.

I was going to, had your post quoted, and lost it while writing my replies.

Feysal is LLD's buddy.

I have no idea what to say about this though, it came completely out of the blue. On your last read list I was back to null too, so is it even relevant now?

I really don't feel like getting suspended from the site again for telling people they have sex with farm animals.

I don't know if it helps, but I enjoy reading your more colorful expressions.

Now, about Dunnstral. I don't have time tonight for a closer look, but there are three things I remember standing out from his posts. First he defended my opening post, which evolved into a minor argument. Second, he reacted to Kuribo posting about him, which evolved into a minor argument. Third, he disagreed with Kuribo about his crumb giving him town cred, which evolved into a minor... seeing the pattern here? I don't see any of these arguments moving the game anywhere, but I don't see a scum motivation there either. If I wanted to generate content to provide an appearance of activity, I think I could come up with a better idea than antagonising Kuribo.

Instead I'm getting the impression that Dunnstral simply does not like to back down from arguments.

The one thing in his posts I remember making me suspicious is why did he react to Kuribo talking about him? Scum do tend to worry about their standing more than town.

About Kuribo, of course I spotted the crumb, and that was one reason for my town read on him. Still is, in fact. Yes, apparently scum did know the name of the town, and Dunnstral was right about the crumb not proving anything, but Kuribo himself obviously thought it meant something. I can easily imagine him as town noticing there is no sample role and deciding to leave a crumb. But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.

wrt bold - wldn't that be nai? why do you think refusing to back down from an argument is town?

[thepixiecollective]

your reads arent that far apart from mine outside of dunnstral/cupcamn

I wanted to get back to this post cos I tried to respond to this, this morning and I got cut off.

those are 2 big differences considering I think dunns is scum and that is who I am pushing.

who do you want lynched besides the cupcake? I can tell you rn you aren't going to get that lynch past dgb and kuribo. I have tried.

[thepixiecollective]

cld you do a cupcake lynch

lets support that

what is your read on muffina

[thepixiecollective]

I thought that was Fabio

[thepixiecollective]

But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.

He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

How bout you put your vote where your mouth is and we see who gets roped first


Then after I string you, I'm coming for your buddies

THIS DUNNSTRAL WAGON RESISTANCE IS UNREAL

^^^

[thepixiecollective]

But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.

He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

How bout you put your vote where your mouth is and we see who gets roped first


Then after I string you, I'm coming for your buddies

THIS DUNNSTRAL WAGON RESISTANCE IS UNREAL

^^^

I don't fund Dunnstral scummy at all, but maybe the scum is bus'ing. They know things I don't.

if scum are bussing then why is town not helping them

[thepixiecollective]

And not only this but why the fuck did STAEG feel the need to discredit my push on Dunn?

Where did he do this?

Pedit:

@Maria

- Lynch pool: Staeg, Muffin or Pixie (based on a gut feeling from latter half of page 23 and top of 24 alone when they're talking about Nacho - it didn't seem to

go

anywhere).

oh no you got beef with me you come at me bro don't you dare throw shade and run away

I am getting really sick and tired of pple trying to lynch cos of "gut" when your gut is fucking wrong and you are dumb for listening to it. fuck your gut.

I just ate a d1 lynch in a game where I WAS REALLY FUCKING OBVS TOWN cos some stupid ass's "gut" read. granted, different site and it was with players who did not know me. but I am really tired of you pple not being able to tell the difference between game solving and stupid shitposting. do you know who the scum were in the very last game I played? shitposters. here is a BRILLIANT idea that you might want to try sometime:

how about you go after the pple who genuinely

look

scummy instead of a gamesolving player who's only crime you consider lynchworthy is your fucking gut.

I take back what I said about ag, kill it with fire, if they can't tell I am town I want them nowhere near endgame. and that push feels genuinely fucking scummy cos you have not done shit to interact with me this entire game.

VOTE: anonymous ghost

[thepixiecollective]

Vote Count:

"A king must live a grander life than any other’s, and stoke his people’s feelings of admiration! He who is worthy of all heroes’ envy, and he who leads their way, is king! Therefore, the king is not alone. For his will equals that of all his followers together!" -Rider

-Leo, 9th House

camntsuki-Sagitarrius: To Unify (1) Dunnstral
zMuffinMan- Virgo: To Serve (1) Nachomamma8
Kokichi Oma- Gemini: To Listen (1) Staeg
MariaR- Aquarius: To Liberate (0)
AnonymousGhost- Scorpio: To Transform (0):
thepixiecollective- Cancer: To Nourish (0)
DrippingGoofBall- Libra: To Balance (0)
Espeonage-Gemini: To Listen (1) Feysal
Kuribo- Gemini: To Listen (0)
Feysal- Virgo: To Serve (0)
Nachomamma8- Pisces: To Let Go (0)
Staeg- Aquarius: To Liberate (3) Espeonage, MariaR, zMuffinMan
LadyLambdadelta- Taurus: To Produce (1) DGB
Dunnstral- Cancer: To Nourish (4) thepixiecollective, Kuribo, Lady Lambdadelta, camntsuki

Not Voting: Kokichi Oma

With 13 alive it takes 7 to obliterate someone.

Deadline: July 15th

Dunnstral apparently exists in a state of duality, both voting camnsuki and not voting at all

:spooky:

math is hard

[thepixiecollective]

sorry I am just pissed cos this probably means this is going to be another fucking town loss cos of dumb thinking like that that pple be bothered to correct.

I hate playing town. fate's games tend to be scumsided anyway so I probably shldn't bother to put in a whole lot of effort in it and instead go find my zen.

[thepixiecollective]

yaye this account is back

[thepixiecollective]

ADD WALL SPAM AS ANOTHER REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE ROPED

I AGREE. HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT EXCEPT SAY "YOU SAID GUT READ" AND POST MY ISO AS IF HE WAS ACTUALLY EVALUATING MY ALIGNMENT. INSTEAD HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PIGGYBACK ON DUNNS AND SAY THAT MY REASON FOR SCUMREADING HIM WAS BASED ON GUT.

[thepixiecollective]

IMO what Staeg has done is shading.

This to me is what encapsulates Staeg's shading all game:

I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.

And yet... no vote.

I'm not listening to Nacho's meta TR for the same reason I'm not believing Maria's TR on you. I don't have a read on either of them (yet), so I have no reason to trust their reads on other people. Shitty reasoning, I know. Just because someone's a TR doesn't mean that their TRs are right, but meta reads have more validity cause... ya know... meta.

do you think that what you have done does not qualify as shading?

You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game

LIKE THIS

i DON'T THINK "NOBODY CAN BE SCUM", i THINK YOU ARE SCUM IT IS WHY i AM PUSHING YOUR LYNCH

[thepixiecollective]

sorry dunns, capslock

plz read it in a much less shouty voice

[thepixiecollective]

No to Staeg and you.

Yes to Muffin and you.

No to Staeg and Muffin.

My Staeg scum read is independent of my scum!Muffin and scum!Pixie reads. The latter two are connected only cause scum theater on Pages 23 and 24. Like, I haven't even thought how Staeg related to either Muffin or you which is probably stupid, but eh. /shrug

I'm not seeing why you think it's keeping the options open concerning Staeg. But I can

see

the options open thing for Muffin/Pixie because if either you or Muffin is lynched and flips town then that means I need to reevaluate my read on the other cause it wouldn't be scum theater like I thought it'd be.

but you implied that I was staying away/not interacting with certain players (cos I was scum) which included staeg?

you cld also be keeping your options if muffina flipped scum and you were scum WITH him. and this isn't too far off the map from my perspective since you haven't gone after muffina.

you didn't really go after me either until I addressed you. you have a lynchpool of 3, 1 in which you are voting for and the other 2 are not connected to the player you are voting for but somehow connected to each other.

this is called cog-dis.

this is what I am having a hard time wrapping my head around cos it makes your vote on staeg look manufactured and followy. it seems like you wld want to sort the 2 connected players first.

[thepixiecollective]

OK, you have actual reasoning here. Ironically, it's pretty much a gut read. I don't remember this game where I've played against you and sat back and let town eat it's own - can you link it to back up your argument?

out of what you posted here, I think stands out the most.

it is surprising to me that you don't remember the scumgame that you won cos town ate itself alive with bbq sauce. if I wld have been scum and won I wld remember it to the end of time. it was a pretty vainglorious play.

its not a gut read.

and you still haven't explained by what you meant with your "yikes" post.

Yikes was before any of that stuff, directed at muffin's reads

No, I didn't remember. Some research tells me you are talking about Hunger Games Mafia.

First of all, this game was two years ago, so it's not really even fresh meta.
More importantly, I disagree with your memory of that game. I certainly didn't sit back during the game, town eating itself alive refers to you going after Bins all game? It's not like I sat back and coasted in the rest of the game though. I just don't think your assessment is fair

the "yikes" post based off of muffina's reads is exactly why I think you are scum with him. it was out of nowhere, he wasn't pushing you so why wld you be worried enough to say "yikes"?

[thepixiecollective]

IMO what Staeg has done is shading.

This to me is what encapsulates Staeg's shading all game:

I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.

And yet... no vote.

I'm not listening to Nacho's meta TR for the same reason I'm not believing Maria's TR on you. I don't have a read on either of them (yet), so I have no reason to trust their reads on other people. Shitty reasoning, I know. Just because someone's a TR doesn't mean that their TRs are right, but meta reads have more validity cause... ya know... meta.

do you think that what you have done does not qualify as shading?

You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game

LIKE THIS

i DON'T THINK "NOBODY CAN BE SCUM", i THINK YOU ARE SCUM IT IS WHY i AM PUSHING YOUR LYNCH

Yeah, but if I were to instead push you I'd be shading you and clearly scum for it

so...where exactly is this coming from? what is the purpose of this post? cos I said ag was shading us and he admitted to doing so.

so why are you using it to weasel out and invalidate my push on you?

[thepixiecollective]

there are way too many experienced players in this game to let that happen, and Kuribo knows it.

All those experienced players lapped it up and then never commented on it or just called me scummy for pushing it

you are being pushed for your lack of scumhunting. I think kuribo, cupcake and I are all in agreement of this. we are the main 1s pushing your wagon.

what is your read on muffina?

[thepixiecollective]

You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game

People other than yourself "shading people" is also part of the game

I still haven't disagreed with this.

the problem I am having is that the words do not seem to match the action that is required for me to believe that you actually believe this.

what was the problem you had with muffina's reads? and what is your read on muffina?

[thepixiecollective]

but you implied that I was staying away/not interacting with certain players (cos I was scum) which included staeg?

No, the not interacting with players thing was not connected to you being scum. It was me just making a point about how you, or your partner?, said that I was scummy because I didn't interact with you. That was me discrediting you.

except you are connecting me to the player you are saying is my scum partner, so yes, you ARE saying I am scum because of it.

1 in which you are voting for and the other 2 are not connected to the player you are voting for but

somehow connected to each other.

I don't know how to make this anymore clear.

I think Steag is scum, thus I'm voting for him. But that read is

independent

of my scum reads on you and Muffin, which are the only two that are connected to each other. Staeg is not connected to either of your scum reads: I'm not scum reading him with either you or Muffin, but I'm reading you two as scum together.

Like... I think I get what you're getting at, but I'm not trying to connect all three pieces together at the moment. I'm not even going to try because that'd most likely be affected by conf bias and I'd be making stuff up for the sake of trying to fit it altogether.

again lets break this down. if you think that muffina and I are scum together why wld you not push 1 of us? it seems like it wld further the game from your (very wrong) perspective more than a staeg lynch.

What I want and what you think I want are two different things apparently.

Pedit: holy fuck the pedits....

then explain it to me in a tl;dr fashion that does not include a wall of quotes. because it seems like you are capable of concise and succinct thoughts so lets do that instead of a quote war.

what is it that you specifically want? and besides "gut" and scum theatre with muffina, whom you cld also be going after but for some reason are not, do you think that I am scum?

also why do you think muffina is scum? from that interaction?

cos it seems like if you are looking at interactions from a point of isolation you wld have landed on dunns/muffina. cos the timing and interaction of dunns/muffina did not make sense from a town POV. and it seems weird that you did not pick up on that.

[thepixiecollective]

cos I said ag was shading us and he admitted to doing so.

She.

And if shading is saying that I scum read you, but I want one of my other scum reads, then yes~ Give me all the shade~

(will take note of gender preference)

good!

my beef with you is that you are leaving your options open by not voting within those 2 reads. you are going for the "safe" read of a wagon that was already started that I am not really clear on your motivation for doing so except its popular.

I said come at me, you are going to have to do better than this

[thepixiecollective]

you are being pushed for your lack of scumhunting.

Well, I don't think that's fair

I think it is

dissuade me

[thepixiecollective]

Don't give me that. I want you to explain why It is scummy, because you are pushing it like it is a reason to vote for me. Unless.... you don't want to advance your scumread? No, say it isn't so camntsuki. Surely you can explain your reasoning here.

because your vote on cupcake w/o you explaining it looks like you are just going along with a cupcake lynch and its not something you believe in

you look like scftwr instead of pushing a lynch that you actually believe in

[thepixiecollective]

I voted my scum read

AND HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY JACK SHIT IN ADVANCING IT INCLUDING A REAOSN FOR IT IN THE FIRST PLACE

ADD WALL SPAM AS ANOTHER REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE ROPED

I AGREE. HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT EXCEPT SAY "YOU SAID GUT READ" AND POST MY ISO AS IF HE WAS ACTUALLY EVALUATING MY ALIGNMENT. INSTEAD HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PIGGYBACK ON DUNNS AND SAY THAT MY REASON FOR SCUMREADING HIM WAS BASED ON GUT.

HES MORE PREOCCUPIED WITH WASTING SPACE AND ARGUING WITH PEOPLE THAN FIGURING OUT READS OR LYNCHING HIS APPARENT SCUMREAD

You need to explain, in general, not necessarily related to me, how allegedly not pushing somebody else, in the wagon position that I'm in right now, indicates that I am scum. Because it's what you just said.

cupcake is asking why if you think he is scum are you not pushing his lynch since you are voting him.

its a reasonable question.

you are also asking him why a general tell applies to you when he is giving the specifics that you are voting him and not pointing out why you think he is voteworthy.

[thepixiecollective]

Don't give me that. I want you to explain why It is scummy, because you are pushing it like it is a reason to vote for me. Unless.... you don't want to advance your scumread? No, say it isn't so camntsuki. Surely you can explain your reasoning here.

because your vote on cupcake w/o you explaining it looks like you are just going along with a cupcake lynch and its not something you believe in

you look like scftwr instead of pushing a lynch that you actually believe in

I want camntsuki to explain why, in their own words.

he did

I am trying to break it down for you cos you seem to have not understood it.

[thepixiecollective]

you are being pushed for your lack of scumhunting.

Well, I don't think that's fair

I think it is

dissuade me

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo

That's not to say they're scummy for it - just seems weird that I'm the one being pushed for it with everything else going on

Besides, I've done my fair share of scumhunting. You think just because my read on someone is null, that I haven't been doing any sorting? Null is where they belong, I don't need a conclusion day 1. I've been progressing the game.

by voting some1 you are not pushing for? how is that gamesolving?

what is your read on ag? what is your opinion on ag's case against me that he used a lot of words for, to try to quantify a gut read when he never had to do it in the first place?

[thepixiecollective]

Camntsuki is an

experienced player

, Pixie. I'm sure they can back up what they said on their own.

sometimes repeating 1self gets old

you can only say "I think you are scum because you are not pushing the player you are voting" so many times.

having said that, it is always a good idea to lynch cupcake on d1!

but for me to think you are town you are going to have to do more than this. more than asking cupcake to repeat himself.

[thepixiecollective]

except you are connecting me to the player you are saying is my scum partner, so yes, you ARE saying I am scum because of it.

Alright then. /shrug

if you think that muffina and I are scum together why wld you not push 1 of us? it seems like it wld further the game from your (very wrong) perspective more than a staeg lynch.

FMPOV I'm voting scum, thus furthering the game. I'm not picky.

Based on our back and forth alone, people might go back and check out what my original point against both you and Muffin was... so there's no need to clog up the thread with a neon flashing sign of my push.

cos the timing and interaction of dunns/muffina did not make sense from a town POV. and it seems weird that you did not pick up on that.

What exactly was I

supposed

to pick up from that? Like... you're telling me how Dunn validated something based off of what Muffin said earlier was funny, but it seems like a case of "this person said it better than I can, so please look to your left [at what they said]".

that said, "this person can explain this better than I can". how is saying "yikes" a ladder response?

what is it that you specifically want? and besides "gut" and scum theatre with muffina, whom you cld also be going after but for some reason are not, do you think that I am scum?

I want a Staeg lynch. He's a scum read and unrelated to both Muffin and scum theater.

Both Muffin and you are scum because of the hedging/waffling - lots of "buts", "I'm not sure", "I'll solve it later", etc. - I saw in that interaction on pages 23 and 24 and nothing changed about either of your opinions about the alignments of the players that you guys talked about, hence... scum theater, talking for the sake of talking, yada yada yada.

That's literally it.

That is why I scum read you two. Not Steag. You two: Muffin and Pixie.

yeah except that isn't what we did. we discussed reads. this is pretty apparent in the discussion of reads that we gave.

muffina thinks cupcake is sus and that dunns is town. he disagreed with my readslist.

how is that "talking for the sake of talking"

you are going for the "safe" read of a wagon that was already started that I am not really clear on your motivation for doing so except its popular.

Except Staeg is a scum read... so, my motivation should be clear.

[votes a proclaimed scum read][it's a good guess that this person wants to lynch scum]

Like... who cares if it's popular? Or safe?

If Staeg gets lynched and flips green, then it'll be clear that it's the furtherest thing from safe and everyone on that wagon will probably get squinted at and maybe someone on that wagon will get lynched on D2.

so then what do you think scum are exactly doing here? discussing reads and voting the person they are pushing for? if so then scum are doing a much better job at scumhunting then scum themselves.

what you seem to be telling me is that you feel wishy washy about staeg.

I kinda get what you're saying with me not pushing an "unpopular" read, but I gave the reason why I scum read both you and Muffin. If people ask me for my reads, I'm literally just going to quote those posts for them. That's about as much effort as I'm willing to push my reads.

[/quote][/quote]

[thepixiecollective]

whoops that is a mess of quote tags. mine are the responses not capitalized

sorry about that

[thepixiecollective]

I think AG is pretty obvious town, and their recent posting reinforces that. I think you're getting whooped by them in this argument you two have going too. I see where they're coming from when they explain how you/muffins can be scum together for coming to no conclusions, though don't really agree with it (like I can see it, but it doesn't have to be true). I don't really think you're mafia Pixie, you just have a different way of looking at things, which I believe gets you a lot of wrong conclusions

except...I sometimes get the right conclusions so why are you discrediting that?

and if you think ag is "whooping" me then why do you not agree with it? I mean "whooping" implies that you think he has valid points against us which you are saying that he does not have.

this why I am confused.

[thepixiecollective]

Pixie, what do you think about Nacho? I have them leaning as town

and how in the world did you arrive to this conclusion?

cos you yeah no

defending staeg (whom you are voting for) and townreading muffina (you have as town) does not exactly wow me with interactions or associations about nacho. so I am wondering why you wld think so based on the reads that you have.

so what is it about him that makes you think he is town?

[thepixiecollective]

that said, "this person can explain this better than I can". how is saying "yikes" a ladder response?

Not sure where you're going with this, yikes is hundreds of posts before the other thing, not a response to it

except you said it was a response to muffina's reads.

I am asking you to explain that

[thepixiecollective]

Why should I pay attention to this yikes?

If that's what you think I'm telling you after all this time, then I'm going to stop explaining. I can't get my point across to you and no amount of me repeating myself is successful. So... YOLO~

In the realm of numbers, there's currently 8 votes split even between Staeg and Dunnstral. The likelihood that these wagons are going to self-vote is minimal, so that leaves 3 votes floating in oblivion. Me splitting off my vote for some vanity wagon is stupid because all it's doing is subtracting from the majority, thus lessening the chances of a lynch occurring.

cos if you are looking for associations and trying to sort my alignment it wld be a good place to start to see if I am coming from a town POV which you are refusing to do and instead are pushing a narrative that requires muffina and I to be scum together while not voting either of us. when I think muffina might be scum with dunnstral.

and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor when you still haven't answered anything that I have tried to say.

the "yikes" post shld be showing up on your radar since dunns is saying that it was in response to muffina but is now changing it by saying it that it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

[thepixiecollective]

currently want to lynch in these players, unless they start looking town:
{cupcake, dunnstral, cupcake, kokichi, cupcake,

feysal

, cupcake,

nacho

, cupcake}

maybe add cupcake to that list

Muffin said he'd lynch camntsuki, me, kokichi, feysal, nacho in post 141. I didn't agree with that list of early reads, so I said yikes. Case closed.

yeah, it is why I am going after you. other than you, what did you disagree about muffina's list and why are you not asking him about it? cos "yikes" is a pretty strong response w/o following up on some clarification of his reads.

and then voting who he is voting

[thepixiecollective]

yikes

dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something.

These events

did not happen at the same time

@Thepixieinitiative

except the 2 are mutually exclusive and given the time between the posts and what was said during that time it shld be evident?

I mean, what are you even trying to say here

[thepixiecollective]

You think Dunn is scum with Muffin, but you also think I'm scum. So, how's this any different from my Muffin + Pixie and scum!Staeg reads? You have two scum reads that are related and one that's independent (since I've yet to see you make a connection between me, Muffin, and Dunn). You're voting your independent read (moi) and not your connected reads.

You're literally doing the thing you're calling me out for.

I've heard what you're saying and I've given my answer. Just look at the 5 pagers we've posted across.

No, I don't the cognitive dissonance.

uhm. the difference is that I think I can easily see a scenario where you 3 can be scum together. you say YOUR 3 can't.

that is the difference.

[thepixiecollective]

I'll be here tomorrow.
If I'm not here tomorrow, I'll be replacing out, but I think I'll probably be fine.

This is nacho's first post in thread. it is post #327, it's after Muffin's reads.

Well this game started quickly

Kokichi's only post at the time, the so called scum post. Regardless, Muffin said he would outright lynch him and threw him in a list with 4 others.

I seem to have slept through the first few pages. Time to dig in.

Well this game started quickly

Really? I don't know if the site has gotten less active over the last years, but I don't think this posting rate is in any way unusual.

Kuribo looks very town, and I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. Muffin also looks town.

I don't know what Cupcake could have done to deserve this flash wagon. Sure, I vaguely remember being frustrated by her lurking in past games, but not so much that I'd want to lynch her before she even posts once. What is up with that?

LLD may be town. I don't agree with her reasoning behind post 56, but I get it, and I think it comes from a town perspective. Espeonage seems rather brazen in the way he points at Staeg, and he is obviously aware of how that post would look but posted it anyway. I'm not reading that one way or the other.

There is however something else about Espeonage that does bother me. He points at Staeg... but does not vote. Instead he posts again to justify keeping his vote on Cupcake, as if by afterthought. Why? Cupcake had not yet posted.

Imagine if Cupcake actually is scum. What would her partners do? They would probably join the wagon to avoid suspicion on themselves, and they would probably not want to be the first to leave it. Espeonage fits this profile. Later, Cupcake votes Espeonage, only to jump on the new Oma wagon. I believe I've seen this dance before.

VOTE: Espeonage

Feysel's first post. it's after Muffin's reads list

And then there's my and camntsuki who had posted, and I didn't like his read on me.

That's why that reads list was garbage trash and why I said yikes - he was ready to lynch players he hadn't posted because he felt he had sufficiently townread everyone else in around 6 pages.

where did feysal come into this lol

can you give me a run through as to what reads do you disagree with besides his read on you? feysal? espy?

I feel like this is where I am trying to get at.

muffina shld not be townread in your mind with your reads. what wld help is if you gave a readslist so that I can copy pasta on a spreadsheet and hold you accountable for later in the game if we are both alive cos I can't seem to get you lynched. mebbe time will reveal your alignment to the masses.

[thepixiecollective]

yikes

dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something.

These events

did not happen at the same time

@Thepixieinitiative

except the 2 are mutually exclusive and given the time between the posts and what was said during that time it shld be evident?

I mean, what are you even trying to say here

They're literally two different things and you're merging them together in your mind and acting like they're related - they're not. They're not related in the slightest

Me saying yikes has absolutely nothing to do with me later talking about whatever else and you jumping on me for that

calling them mutually exclusive is the opposite of linking them together. that was a response to your "yikes" post. pretty sure I voted you shortly after the "yikes" post so why YOU are trying to link them together is a mystery to me.

[thepixiecollective]

By the way:

sometimes repeating 1self gets old

and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor

What's up with this, pixie?

Is this not a contradiction?

I said it first and it is pretty weird that he uses it a cple of posts later, it looks like he is trying to simulate town and trying to use my own words against me in order to dodge what I am attempting to address with him.

while still calling me scum

that is the difference, so yeah no, not a contradiction

[thepixiecollective]

If it hasn't been clear by this point, I don't group scum hunt. It creates a paradigm that forces me to fill it in and I think that's limiting, so I don't do it.

I'm not pushing the Midfin, Puxie, Starg team because I'm not looking at my reads as a team. Like if it was guaranteed that scum always do X, then we'd lunch everine who did X and win with nearly a %100 town winrate. But outliers exist for a reason and some scum will fly in the face of scum expectations while giving it the bird, so trying to apply the usual tactics won't work for those flying bird scum.

you aren't going after outliers tho

you are sheeping a staeg read that somebody else has given while throwing shade at players who in no way shape or form cld be considered "outliers"

[thepixiecollective]

Bunch of spelling errors, but whatevs. If you can't understand me when I spell correctly, then why be grammatically correct?

me understanding you has nothing to do with spelling so I am not quite sure why think this? nowhere have I said this.

it has to do with what you are saying and who you are voting.

dunns or ag choices, choices

[thepixiecollective]

anyhoo I am done with this argument!

I am going to chill in zen mode cos I feel like I have obtained the most info that I cld have at this time

[thepixiecollective]

By the way:

sometimes repeating 1self gets old

and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor

What's up with this, pixie?

Is this not a contradiction?

I said it first and it is pretty weird that he uses it a cple of posts later, it looks like he is trying to simulate town and trying to use my own words against me in order to dodge what I am attempting to address with him.

while still calling me scum

that is the difference, so yeah no, not a contradiction

If they can use your own words against you, you don't have a good argument

lol what kind of messed up logic is this that you are trying to present here

scum always use town's arguments against them, that is their whole MO, trying to turn town against town. dispersing the herd. of course scum are going to use their own words against them it is how they discredit them.

I want to think on this cos I am really not happy with the players who really are not getting their hands dirty and when I say players I mean muffina and nacho.

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If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink

he didn't "catch" me out

stop applying these words that you are inserting cos you think it makes you look good and address I am saying cos so far you are not

all you are doing is deflecting and I am hoping that pple are not so headblind that they will not see it.

[thepixiecollective]

If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink

he didn't "catch" me out

stop applying these words that you are inserting cos you think it makes you look good and address I am saying cos so far you are not

all you are doing is deflecting and I am hoping that pple are not so headblind that they will not see it.

Not gonna repeat myself, it gets old.

look. you have already pissed kuribo off to the point of no return how about you not piss me off as well? cos this was a dick comment which does/solves/resolves nothing to further a town win con.

like srsly nothing. so stop it.

if you are town it wld be really cool if you worked with me instead of against me. I am seeing a spark of the same stubbornness that I saw in the very last game we played together. I took a year off of ms and played on other sites and mellowed cos I was playing games that were *gasp* fun.

if you are town then help me out. stop being so antagonistic and work with me here.

can you give me a readslist of all the players in the game? lets start there.

this is a reach out. if you are town plz for the love of god take it, there is way too much potential for game throwing here and it wld be lovely for town to win a fate game cos you know what? town never have. I knew this when signing up and I was really hoping for a scum role pm but we didn't get 1 and now I am stuck with a cple of players I am beginning to not like and who are probably town.

I wld like to have 1 small kernal of hope that we actually have a chance to win here. so plz. accept it.

[thepixiecollective]

@mollie, i don't think casper's logic is great but the whole 'scum theatre' angle looks more like genuine paranoia than scum making something up

lol, it took me a minute to realize who you were talking about! lol. am I the only who finds it funny? I find it tremendously funny. I love funny!muffina. altho I am starting to wonder if I am the only 1 who actually gets your jokes.

okay. if I shift the wheel to a town!you axis it wld point to a town!dunn if I take in maria's meta read on him. if I look at the game from that angle it moves nacho and cupcake to front and center as far as scum equity and I am not going to lie it does make sense. I really really don't like nacho's 1 content post, there is not a solid reach out in it and he is letting the kuribo/dunns shitshow just happen instead of stepping in and pulling them apart long enough to get a better read on each other and he did not do that. instead he plopped a vote on you and then disappeared.

the disappearance does not bother me but the content of his post does. in pings my scumdar in a big big way.

I think casper cld likely be town, I am just not liking their reads and how they are obtaining them. it doesn't feel like paranoia to me, it feels very shallow and when I point out their lack of interaction with us their response is "no u". they are being dodgy. casper the dodgy ghost.

[thepixiecollective]

BTW that Staeg vote on Dunns looks laughable as hell, he's been soft defending Dunn and now needs to set up that distance for when one of them flips


I thought you were better than that Staeg

I 100% agree that staeg's vote on dunns looks awful. the way he changed his tune on dunns gave me whiplash.

[thepixiecollective]

NOT YET BUT WE ARE GETTING THERE

[thepixiecollective]

IS THERE BLOOD YET

@mod - can we plz have a current vc?

[thepixiecollective]

Pixie ik you've had a back and forth with Dunn the past few pages and the same with kui
can you both even though ik you most likely did somewhere give me a case or sum up why you scumread Dunn it's hard for me to jump in and put my 2 cents so I feel it's better if I just start my own convo with you. I'm also on the side that Ghost is very own town if you need help there I can do that too

thank you for the reach out maria!

if you have casper as town then talk to him about us being town. that wld help.

I am of 2 minds about dunns. well, 3 minds actually or mebbe it is multi-layered 2 minds. I don't know.

points in favour for town!dunns:

- your read. yeah I will take it in consideration but I will not blindly sheep it. but it holds a good amount of weight, I think you are a strong player.

- his stubbornness. I don't think it is necessarily a towntell for him in and of itself, but the way in which it is taking form and who it is taking form with and how he is going about it is kind of town!dunns. he isn't a player that I cld I say I can reasonably meta, which is why I do not put much weight on me feeling like this might come from town.

- the way that the game is shaping up. when I look at the game as a whole in its current state, his place within that mosaic is a town role. so my read on him is info based, as in I feel like I cld read him better with more info and if I look at what is going on with him not being scum, I can see a possibility where he might be town.

points in favour of scum!dunns:

- he looks a bit like he is cowering with how defensive and antagonistic he is being but not engaging with what is being said to him.

- waiting on my readslist that I asked from him. so pending. this is a scumpoint because I am having to wait and I am impatient.

- his read on you makes no sense. but apparently besties only goes 1 way with him in this game. and I don't see him trying to figure you out. or me. or any progression on his kuribo read. <--- scummy

BUT

all of the scumtells can be misguided stubborn towntells. the stubbornness side of the scale has more town weight because I feel like there is a difference between scum!stubborn and town!stubborn and dunns settles on the side of town!stubborn.

its a highly nuanced unsure read.

I also take in that dunns is a player who's reads develop more slowly, it takes time for him to settle in a game to the point where he is at full disclosure.

it wld be really helpful if he gave a readslist. cld you help with that.

and that concludes the war of figuring out dunn's alignment that is going on inside my head. I can give it a day but it won't go away. I will still be left trying to figure out his alignment if we both survive the day/night.

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I think scum can very much be in the people with less than avg posting and the top posters are town because you have more to scumread the more you post so scum are just letting us go at each other. I honestly don't think I scumread any of the top posters right now let me see:

Did you flip scum? Cause this is some scum posting

lolwut

if maria is scum then she is being more protown than you and mebbe you shld step up your game if you are town

[thepixiecollective]

I think scum can very much be in the people with less than avg posting and the top posters are town because you have more to scumread the more you post so scum are just letting us go at each other. I honestly don't think I scumread any of the top posters right now let me see:
thepixiecollective Jul 01, 06:36pm Jul 08, 02:57pm 0 days 4 hours 127 Nope that's a hard tr
kuribo Jul 01, 06:27pm Jul 08, 09:59am 0 days 9 hours 126 nope that's a light tr
Dunnstral Jul 01, 05:32pm Jul 08, 01:55am 0 days 17 hours 116 nope that's a big tr
camntsuki Jul 02, 12:11am Jul 08, 10:48am 0 days 8 hours 82 (Ok well I don't tr this slot and it's in poe but CAN'T BE ALL THAT GOOD)
AnonymousGhost Jul 01, 06:14pm Jul 08, 09:04am 0 days 10 hours 75 Nope that's a big tr
DrippingGoofball Jul 01, 06:50pm Jul 08, 01:33pm 0 days 5 hours 71 Nope that's a tr.

See where I'm getting at with this?

I think scum can very much be in the people with less than avg posting and the top posters are town because you have more to scumread the more you post so scum are just letting us go at each other. I honestly don't think I scumread any of the top posters right now let me see:

Did you flip scum? Cause this is some scum posting

I wld just like to take a moment to display, the beauty of this call out done by the artist known as maria.

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If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink

he didn't "catch" me out

stop applying these words that you are inserting cos you think it makes you look good and address I am saying cos so far you are not

all you are doing is deflecting and I am hoping that pple are not so headblind that they will not see it.

Not gonna repeat myself, it gets old.

look. you have already pissed kuribo off to the point of no return how about you not piss me off as well? cos this was a dick comment which does/solves/resolves nothing to further a town win con.

like srsly nothing. so stop it.

if you are town it wld be really cool if you worked with me instead of against me. I am seeing a spark of the same stubbornness that I saw in the very last game we played together. I took a year off of ms and played on other sites and mellowed cos I was playing games that were *gasp* fun.

if you are town then help me out. stop being so antagonistic and work with me here.

can you give me a readslist of all the players in the game? lets start there.

this is a reach out. if you are town plz for the love of god take it, there is way too much potential for game throwing here and it wld be lovely for town to win a fate game cos you know what? town never have. I knew this when signing up and I was really hoping for a scum role pm but we didn't get 1 and now I am stuck with a cple of players I am beginning to not like and who are probably town.

I wld like to have 1 small kernal of hope that we actually have a chance to win here. so plz. accept it.

Town never wins a fate game because it always attracts the old,

experienced

crowd. There, I said it.

If you want to work with me, the first step is to stop blaming me for what other people are doing in the game. Look, Kuribo is a jerk to everybody. Blaming me for other players poor form and performance doesn't make me want to work with others.

I'm going to give you all of my reads and I want you to ask questions about the ones you are interested in, they're roughly in order top to bottom as well

AnonymousGhost: Town
MariaR: Lean Town
Pixie: Lean Town
DGB: Lean Town
Nacho: Lean Town
Feysal: Lean Town
zMuffinMan: Lean Town

Staeg: Null
Kuribo: Null
LadyLambdadelta: Null
Kokichi: Lean Scum
Espeonage: Lean Scum
xCamntsuki: Scum

the bolded

where is your vote btw

it wld be really cool if we had a vc rn

[thepixiecollective]

can every1 chill for a minute

[thepixiecollective]

the irony of me asking this

but I am absurdist and I believe irony has meaning

[thepixiecollective]

Thanks for the shade it was pretty hot at work today. Why don't you explain why you found my post scummy?

How is that shade when I'm literally calling you out directly? Because it looks posturing or fake

what is posturing or fake about posting a postercount saying you have townreads on the "top posters" and saying that leads you to the conclusion that the bottom of posters are scum? and explaining how you came to that conclusion through the content and body of work that proceeded that?

the whispering of ut is coming into my head from vonflare's game...

he pegged you from the getgo for this type of reasoning

[thepixiecollective]

Mollie will you talk to these derps


I am sick and Fucking tired of repeating myself for dumbfucks who won't even read things I've posted and then ask me questions REITERATING THINGS I ALREADY FUCKING SAID

I think we are at a point where we are talking past each other

[thepixiecollective]

Along with misassigning some posts to various players and thus no longer feeling like your first moves in the game were that great

which posts are you referring to here?

I don't see a way for you to come to this conclusion and then continue pushing the angle in light of everything that happens and after being warned of thunderstrike territory

i don't understand what this means or why you think it makes him scum

what everything that's happened?

what thunderstrike territory? (i assume this is referring to the wrath of kuribo^TM, but why is that relevant?)

modkill is a godkill, you know the lingo

why are you misleading this?

[thepixiecollective]

pretty sure this is the current vc mollie

Dunnstral (4) - Kuribo, LLD, cupcamn, staeg
Staeg (4) - Espy, MariaR, God, Casper
God (1) - Nacho
Cupcamn (1) - Dunnstral
Espy (1) - DGB
Casper (1) - mollie
MariaR (1) - kokichi

ty!

so dunns is the hell wagon and staeg is the heaven. who on the staeg's wagon wld you be looking at for scum based on play plus vote placement?

[thepixiecollective]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

[thepixiecollective]

pretty sure this is the current vc mollie

Dunnstral (4) - Kuribo, LLD, cupcamn, staeg
Staeg (4) - Espy, MariaR, God, Casper
Espy (2) - DGB, Feysal
God (1) - Nacho
Cupcamn (1) - Dunnstral
Casper (1) - mollie
MariaR (1) - kokichi

edit: forgot feysal existed

thanks for the correction!

[thepixiecollective]

Nacho and Feysal have good content so far

[thepixiecollective]

Spoiler:

AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

except lynching cupcakes is always a really good idea and everybody shld want it and muffina probably meant it and it had nothing to do with alignment.

other than that, what do you see muffina doing?

[thepixiecollective]

Spoiler:

AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

except lynching cupcakes is always a really good idea and everybody shld want it and muffina probably meant it and it had nothing to do with alignment.

other than that, what do you see muffina doing?

wait muffina has cupcake as scum. I misspoke

[thepixiecollective]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

Than how she plays as town. She doesn't make those posts as town. Which is why I asked

really?

from my limited experience with her she certainly does not make those posts as scum

[thepixiecollective]

which is why I am asking btw

[thepixiecollective]

Why is Staeg still voting me from before I even knew my role?

he isn't

why are you not reading the game and only iso-ing fate's vc which if you paid a modicum of attention has been proven countless of times to be faulty.

math is hard but for some reason we are not allowed to point this out. even tho I am in a math class that I consider hard.

[thepixiecollective]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

Than how she plays as town. She doesn't make those posts as town. Which is why I asked

really?

from my limited experience with her she certainly does not make those posts as scum

Lucky for you, my experience isn't limited

oh good!

so no probs pointing to the games that you are referencing? thnx

[thepixiecollective]

FITE! FITE! FITE!

[thepixiecollective]

BUT IS THE VC RIGHT???????

[thepixiecollective]

I just want to point out that I had moved muffina to town before that post

[thepixiecollective]

and yes muffina I hear you about staeg, just waiting to talk to cory first

[thepixiecollective]

This is a friendly reminder that I have never asked people to be civil in a Fate game and if you look at the ARCHIVES OF ANCIENT HISTORY my browbeater stick is well worn.

But hey, times change, I know we can find the Love in here too so yeah remember we're all COSMIC SOULS and to treat each other with either kindness or find the humor

#Spoiler #Guaranteed Set-up

I am there senpai

[thepixiecollective]

Like Dunnstrals been making posts in bad faith for most of this game. His posts are designed to bait you into an argument. How is that in any way town? His goal has been to bred toxicity in this game.

muffins being a possible scumbuddy I can understand and he gets to die upon a dunnstral scumflip but DGB shouldn't be this blind

.

I agree that dunns has done zero gamesolving for several pages now

I want the list I asked him to make, so plz don't lynch him yet

my town besties are still kuribo, dgb, maria

cupcake is a bestie only because we are both committed to trolling fate

ag is not in there despite a townlean on them because they have us in their scumpool and I am totally cool if a vig wants to take them at some since we are in there scumpile. but then vig shld likely vig dunns first unless the vig has a rock solid scumread on a player that 2 other pple can agree on.

/inb4 some1 says mollie is scummy for offering the vig suggestions. (psssssst...it isn't)

[thepixiecollective]

pixie radiates "mentally healthy"

clearly she's not roleplaying a Cancer well

[thepixiecollective]

hi nacho!

[thepixiecollective]

staeg you might as well claim

[thepixiecollective]

Consider this post a L-1 @Staeg. So claim

sure, Hades without a Moon sign, Mason and apparently not actually a treestump d1

delayed V/LA notice until July 15th

will be back to interact with game before then as well~

who is your mason buddy and what do you mean by "apparently" not actually a treestump

can you still vote?

whoops

that was me

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i want a proper full claim. nacho's about the only person i could see you being masons with anyway, so no trying to worm your way out of it with "not outing my partner" - it's either nacho or you're scum fake-claiming

muffina is hitting IC levels of towning unless staeg and nacho both decided to self-sacrifice in order to let muffina go deep into a town piles

[thepixiecollective]

I am assuming that staeg knows his roles or knows how to find a way to determine them,

as in

his play wld reflect his role. it doesn't

[thepixiecollective]

/in b4 muffina will flip scum

ynfortunately and I so incorrectly read him

caveat: I don't think that is the case here I think he is town. need more time to solidify the read tho

[thepixiecollective]

As for today's lynch, we're not lynching claimed Masons.

Maria, you said Dunn is town. What percentage is that? Give me a number. And maybe some words on why?

I think we're supposed to lynch AG today, their posting still looks like scum

^ I am starting to agree with this

[thepixiecollective]

I am tempted to move back to dunns

[thepixiecollective]

deadline is super soon and we need a lynch

[thepixiecollective]

VOTE: dunns

[thepixiecollective]

deadline is super soon and we need a lynch

You need to do more than that - you need to explain why that lynch can't be camntsuki, because yes a wagon is forming there

I don't have a scumread on cupcake. I have him in the unsure pile. I think I will be ale to read camn better than cupcake and that is what i am waiting for.

muffina's case on cupcake is bs. with nacho and staeg being masons changes how I am viewing the gamestate and I am back to wanting to lynch you.

[thepixiecollective]

holy cow feysal is in the game. can we plz lynch that.

VOTE: feysal

[thepixiecollective]

thought about it. i dont really believe the mason claim tbh

probably not a great idea to lynch them D1 though. just im not going to be at all surprised if theyre still around at lylo

do you think that they wld do it in this small of a game?

also with the mason game I lost my townread on you

[thepixiecollective]

holy cow feysal is in the game. can we plz lynch that.

VOTE: feysal

ugh there isn't enough time to get a feysal wagon going

VOTE: dunns

[thepixiecollective]

Digging deeper into research shows that a Hades Moon is basically a Scorpio Moon (Pluto) and an Aphrodite Moon is associated with Taurus (Venus). This probably means nothing and I probably wasted my time looking it up. :/

its posts like this that raises my eyebrows

but we are going dunns for today

[thepixiecollective]

I will vote Feysal Mollie.

Vote: Feysal

I will keep this in mind

[thepixiecollective]

LLD why are you always yelling every game. You need yoga in your life

I think every1 needs more yoga in their life. it certainly calmed me down

[thepixiecollective]

Feysal hasn't done anything to warrant a lynch lld.

w/o looking back, do you remember a single thing feysal has said? cos I don't

that pinges

[thepixiecollective]

Feysal hasn't done anything to warrant a lynch lld.

beyond the things I pointed out, the fact that they've done nothing IS what warrants the lynch.

You said it yourself, we have a bunch of fucking angry mega posters yelling at each other and then people who are skating by.

I refuse to let this be another Aristophanes goes to the end and is never lynched for being unoffensively neutral.

^^^

[thepixiecollective]

So, I started out with a Camn ISO and this spiraled into a whole boatload of work cause it's that time of the day when I need to reevaluate my reads. Yippee~

Haha.

Not

.

Anyway, I took a look at Camn and then compared that to both Dunn's and Muffin's case on them and I don't see it.

Camn's Scum!Dunn Case - 713
Kuribo's Scum!Dunn Case in a Nutshell - 1145

I took a look at Dunn's ISO (twice), one with Kuribo and the other with Camn and just like before, the points aren't sticking FMPOV (the shade and bait). I don't think that two out of the three points (AtE and lack of civility) in Kuribo's case are good reasons to scum read Dunn.

Outside of all that, I actively searched his ISO for reasons that he [Dunn] could be scum and I could only come up with two:

The whole taking my "side" when Pixie and I were having the argument from Page 28 to 33 (pocketing which is self explanatory) and then 1133 where he tells LLD that he's going to "spend all of day 2 pushing you [her]". Both pieces are flimsy, but the second is especially because I've seen other people make references to D2 with a lot of confidence that they're not going to be NK'd in this very game. On the other hand, I know that this 'slip in time' is also something newbie scum tend to fall into - so it's a valid tell to use.

Is Dunn a newb? No. And the fact that I'm aware that other people have made this same 'slip' (Kuribo, I think. FYI this isn't fact checked ATM) and, in Kuribo's case, I have him as town and he's definitely not a newb.

TL;DR - The scum cases on Camn and Dunn aren't convincing me to scum on either player. Dunn = Town and Camn = Null, so no vote from me.

can I have a list from you of your reads on all of the players in the game? ty

[thepixiecollective]

I'd be willing to lynch camnstuki.

[thepixiecollective]

I think these Mason claims are BS by virtue of knowing Kuribo's flavor claim combo of his Sun and Moon sign, Muffin's claim that his role has nothing to do with Greek Gods, and the fact that when I compare the Moon flavor aspect of both Masons to Kuribo and my Moon flavor and how the latter two are both from Western Astrology. Kuribo's solidly town at this point, so I'm trusting his Moon flavor claim more than Muffin's ATM.

TL;DR

- I'm beyond skeptical. I still want my Staeg lynch to literally

just

confirm that this isn't some fake claim BS made by desperate scum to not eat the D1 lynch. If you can't tell by this point, these are the two players that I

never

want to see reach LyLo,

especially not together.

Is this stupid and anti-town?

Oh yes it is

~ >:3

Am I going to get a Staeg lynch today? Probably not. :l

My logic is if the following things

are all true

: Kuribo's sheer power, if he's town, these Mason claims, and if Staeg eats the D1 lynch (thus flipping town), scum have two choices between killing Kuribo - who, as far as they know, could become their worst nightmare - OR kill the now confirmed Mason that the town could rally and build a town block around.

Both of these things could spell trouble for scum in the long term for reasons that should be self-explanatory. Scum ultimately have to make a hard choice and place their bets that there aren't any protective roles in the game that stand a good chance of targeting between Kuribo and the remaining Mason.

this post is pretty awful. I believe the mason claim cos it is a suboptimal strat and I don't see either of them doing that. you only do stuff like that when you are playing for lulz.

they clearly aren't

and I don't like the shade being thrown their way but *shrug*

[thepixiecollective]

Pixie, if my wagon isn't possible, would you look towards voting camntsuki at deadline if they had a big wagon?

I am not a fan of it, no

I want to hear more from camn

[thepixiecollective]

Pluto is also connected to Scorpio. It'd make much more sense if that was the claim, not these Greek Gods.

pluto is the roman name for hades. the gods have roman names and greek names, roman names are what what the planets are called. aphrodite is venus, hermes is mercury etc.

the only part of the claim that doesn't make sense is part where staeg is claiming hades (god of death and the underworld) and aphrodie is the goddess of love and beauty. their is no myth that really connects them except for hades being aphrodite's uncle.

so its weird to tie them together. thats the only part of the claim that sounds unbelievable. but a mason claim is pretty silly since there might be investigative roles, or what not, if 1 flips scum it wld instalynch the other.

and muffina knows this. its why he is in the doghouse.

you jumping on it like white on rice looks terrible.

[thepixiecollective]

And regardless of the Greek or Roman mythology, they're still a round about way for claiming Scorpio and Taurus, respectively. That's the part I'm hung up on.

its a suboptimal strat. I know both of those players and they are not suboptimal players. kuribo and dgb did it once but I think it is rare especially on d1.

the masons are a self resolving issue and it shld be treated as town until proven otherwise.

why does this feel like explaining the color blue.

[thepixiecollective]

If they're not masons, Nacho had no reason to confirm, least of all on day 1 when they'd need a lot of help to win as scum. Don't you understand? If either flips scum, the other is outted. Who the hell would do that day 1?

[thepixiecollective]

kuribo and dgb did it once but I think it is rare especially on d1.

Gay Mafia 1, DGB and I counterclaimed the masons in what we thought was MYLO. Turned out they were vengeful lover masons, they shot DGB, leaving me and Katsuki a whole night phase to reflect on how I was outted scum.

lol

[thepixiecollective]

HARMONIOUS

DGB
Espe
Dunn
MariaR for tossing her vote around with townie abandon
pixie radiates "mentally healthy"
MuffinZ
kuribo (he still seems a bit off but OK)
AGhost

NOISE CANCELLATION

Feysal
Kokichi Oma (leaning harmonious)
Nacho has been meh

STOCHASTIC PROCESSES

LLD It's all here viewtopic.php?p=10284658#p10284658
Staeg
Katsuki

you can't say nacho is meh but staeg is scummy. you have to have the same read on both since their claim directly ties them together.

why am I having to explain this

they are self resolving unless they have a janitor or something but there still ways for town to outplay that.

this is unreal

[thepixiecollective]

Oh right I forgot the masons.

HARMONIOUS

DGB
Espe
Dunn
MariaR for tossing her vote around with townie abandon
pixie radiates "mentally healthy"
MuffinZ
kuribo (he still seems a bit off but OK)
AGhost
Nacho mason
Staeg mason

NOISE CANCELLATION

Feysal
Kokichi Oma (leaning harmonious)

STOCHASTIC PROCESSES

LLD It's all here viewtopic.php?p=10284658#p10284658
Katsuki

whoops sorry, I am responding as I read didn't see this

cool

[thepixiecollective]

not going to argue this point, but @anyone saying they wouldn't claim masons as scum,

staeg was getting lynched if not for that claim and nacho was following right after him (i don't care that people had a murder boner for dunnstral-staeg, nacho was pretty clearly tied to staeg, so even if somehow nacho lived past D2, he wasn't making it past D3). that claim just bought them time to get mislynches (possibly a few because people still might not lynch them when they're both magically alive D3). it's not bad play or 'suboptimal' to throw a hail mary when you're probably fucked anyway

don't blindly write them off as town for that claim

they are self resolving. you freaking know this.

[thepixiecollective]

oh yeah, cupcake inadvertently reminded me... im pretty sure im still owed this, mollie:

Spoiler:

dark is town if I am wrong I am willing to eat kitty litter. I don't think I am.

ffs

VOTE: cupcake

you are cruel and inhumane muffina. I hope this weighs heavily on your conscience.

[thepixiecollective]

does anybody know how close to l-1 they are?

[thepixiecollective]

ffs mollie

I don't want to eat kitty litter, I have no choice.

muffina is letting me off easy

[thepixiecollective]

Taking back my esp town read for now.

will you freaking vote a viable wagon

maria is not getting lynched today. be useful

[thepixiecollective]

you are cruel and inhumane muffina. I hope this weighs heavily on your conscience.

lol i didn't bring it up seriously (literally just got reminded of it because of what cupcake said about praising muffins for a month) and i don't expect you to sheep me because of it (i'd prefer people don't blindly sheep me because it makes me want to second-guess everything i think)

if you don't think cupcake is scum, fine, but i think you're wrong and i want you to talk about it (im leaving work and heading home in about half an hour if anyone wants to discuss shit after that)

in short though, i don't think the little camn has posted looks town and i don't think cupcake legitimately thinks most of the things he's claiming he thinks this game (e.g. i don't really believe that cupcake thinks dunnstral's scum whose goal was to sow discord by getting into arguments)

FFS

if I didn't believe that cupcake had scum equity I wldn't be voting them.

I am less than thrilled about it, cos I wanna see more of camn and you are srly freaking me out and pinging my scumdar as the day progresses, but at least I won't want to murder you IRL on d3 like I will with cupcake if camn is not around

shitty reasons, but I am willing to go with it cos I kinda trust dgb

I know where I want to go if cupcake flips either alignment, I think cupcake is making the game fun rn hence my reluctance.

I am at a point where we just have to see a lynch through

[thepixiecollective]

VOTE: Fey

cool

flashlynch time guys

VOTE: feysal

[thepixiecollective]

they are self resolving unless they have a janitor or something but there still ways for town to outplay that.

this is unreal

I'd rather resolve them now versus taking either to LyLo and indadvertantly turning it into a debate over WIFOM Role Play instead of a combo of day night and night play. I think they're the perfect lynch right now because we can confirm this early in the game and the scum NK stands a chance of being focused on the two claimed roles, so it's basically no huge loss if we sacrifice a mason just to get that confirmation.

so your solution is to lynch 1 of them? are you freaking kidding me?

^^^ this is why this thing shld not be endgamed whatsoever. they gonna make us lose and I think that their push on the mason claim is scummy af. its beyond silly and I don't think casper is as dumb as they are trying to make themselves out to be.

[thepixiecollective]

...


Ok you're out of my town pile now

mindmeld

[thepixiecollective]

@Dunn and @Maria

You know what, we've all gotten off on the wrong foot in this game, tempers have flared, and I've reverted back to old habits I've tried so god damn hard to break. I've spoken to both of you in ways I shouldn't, I've taken things more personally than I probably should have at times (as is my nature: ask mollie about the first game I played with Majiffy, who's now a friend of mine) I've probably done harm to the gamestate and made it rather undun for many people involved. For that, I do apologize, both to you two primarily, and to the other players at large. Yes, Dunn, I do still believe you to be scum, for the reasons I've laid out, and I'm sorry but that's just Mafia. The other stuff, the personal stuff, that was wildly uncalled for, and for my part in it, I am honestly regretful.

ilu kuribo <3

[thepixiecollective]

@mollie

I know you love your townblocs. You're in a groove this game, I sense it. I like what I'm seeing with you, this is the good shit, this is a mollie game. And for the life of me I'm having such a hard time getting engaged beyond the pissing and shouting. Why? We both know why. I haven't been Town in over two years, and most of the time it was as part of a hydra. I'm rusty, sure, but the other thing is, believe it or not, I'm genuinely happy in my life. You know how hard it is for me to play mafia when I'm not suicidal and hate-filled? Even the spats with Dunn took so much out of me emotionally that I dreaded even clicking the thread, and that shit was mild compared to the wars of old. Listen, I'm townreading you. I have my townbloc of my own, and it includes you and DGB. I'm counting on the two of you to help me figure this shit out. Dunn may have actually been onto something, albeit in kind of an annoying way: I'm experienced, but it's just another way of saying I've been here too long. But more than that I'm rusty. I need my town reads to help me on this one. I trust you, mollie, at least for the moment and the foreseeable future. That's honestly about as good as one can really expect to hear in a game of mafia.

I am extraordinarily happy in my life too. so i understand what you are saying!

I had a thought yesterday when I took time out from mafia a few months ago that I was so much happier then lol

I still love the game tho, I just know now when I need to take breaks

[thepixiecollective]

@Nacho

Wanna hear something weird? You and I have played several games together. Probably many, actually. I genuinely like you as a poster, and I've heard enough about your play to know that you're a good, solid, strong player. But I don't have any clear memories of playing with you. If that makes sense. No single game or moment ever stands out in my mind as "oh that time me and Nacho were in a game together." You've always just been kind of... there. And that sucks, because I wanna see that tour de force Nacho that everyone talks about, I wanna see you decimate your foes, I wanna have that Nacho moment. Because I've never had that experience with you in a game. And now you're a day 1 outted mason, and that fucking sucks. Because between that and everything else this game, it looks like I'm gonna miss out again on a Nacho moment.

ive never had that sort of nacho moment either tbh

seems to be every game but the ones im in with him...

i mean, there was that one time we miscounted the votes and attempted a quickhammer on someone only to leave them at L-1... but i dont think that counts...

I believe this of kuribo but I am not so sure I believe it of muffina. I KNOW you remember the time I went back shit crazy thinking you and nacho were scum with the ap hydra because you guys were speaking in pirate speak and you and nacho were fisting the entire way. I believe nacho lost a bet to you, so don't even hand me that "oh yeah, I had the same experience too with nacho" cos you are lying through your pearly white teeth.

you know you 2

@dgb kuribo

muffina is a 100% always scum here. remember the very first serene game that fate was actually in for like all of 2 posts? I had muffina as scum on d1 but majiffy got a burr up his butt and thought you were scum and majiffy and I fought like crazy (we were the beautyandthebeast hydra) but I was right, you guys were town and muffina was scumzorz.

muffina is always scum here. and ffs it reads like he is scum with nacho

halp

plz guys, dgb I know we have had our rough spots but muffina is bullshitting, I think they have played a cple of games on chesskids site. they both have written articles on there.

muffina is not misremembering. he is scum.

ffs my early suspicions were right.

VOTE: muffina

we are not moving

[thepixiecollective]

Maria and Kuribo's bigus dickus contest over who knows me more ending in a draw makes me feel they're both town. Or both scum? I don't see that interaction coming from TvS and them both being scum doesn't fit what I'm feeling in gut soooooooooooooooo call them both town.

Does this seem weird to anybody?

no

plz vote muffina. for once just listen to me. lets not let another kamagi come between us plz

[thepixiecollective]

This isn't a misguided townie, it's a literal scum trying to cast aspersions on masons to free up the night kill to gun for power roles.

I know exactly where you are coming from but muffina is lying with what he said about nacho and I just had my world rocked

he is cheeky lying this shit is easily verifiable

want me to pull up some games? how many do you need? I have 3 easily off of the top of my head but I can go digging and I bet money that I can find more. he is not mistaken, he doesn't have a shitty memory he is

lying

.

[thepixiecollective]

Taking back my esp town read for now.

will you freaking vote a viable wagon

maria is not getting lynched today. be useful

Not going to vote someone just to vote someone

I am asking you to do something useful. can you not do that?

[thepixiecollective]

does anybody know when the deadline is?

[thepixiecollective]

grrr...what was the first serene game that you guys played? I am having trouble finding it cos I don't remember the name of the game, I think this was back in 2014 or 2015

[thepixiecollective]

grrr...what was the first serene game that you guys played? I am having trouble finding it cos I don't remember the name of the game, I think this was back in 2014 or 2015

It's probably in the wiki page for Serene https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serene

I keep that stuff relatively updated

ty here is the game:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36072

I forgot that it was a large