Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

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Gamma is I think actually my strongest pick for scum but the one I'm also the most reluctant to pursue because the 'dont say you can read me again fucktard' makes it hard for me to vote them.

They're #1 where Skitter is actually #2 on the list of slots I would really like to get a result on and not have to push through directly.

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Gamma has said a LOT of weird things recently that I've basically told Postie yeah he's pretty much open wolfing but I don't feel like pursuing him right now.

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(ftr I think that Nic/PP has like, exceptionally high odds of being SvS.)

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have I stopped being scum until proven inno, creature?

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that uppity, hoity-toity penguinpower thinks he's all that

but he's not!!!!

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

sure?

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My gut is screaming at me that my townpool is wrong so consider it null and void for now.

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Ffs

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Let's do the gamma please!

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I think that it might be something hilarious like

Gamma/Implo/Penguinpower

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So I'm gonna start over on my townreads

Full disclosure: my ubertell on Implosion is a thing that scumfirms him, I don't actually have a super good way to read him otherwise. He gradually becomes more town in its absence but he's not locktown and I'd be intellectually dishonest to say that he is. Something i've learned over time is that often my initial readslist has something right that I end up missing
like, I don't think that I'm wrong on both skitter and implosion, if that makes sense? I don't think I'm right on either though. I think it's 1t1s most of hte time.

RC is still town.
Creativemod1 is still town
Spooghettioso I believe is town now, and can go in townpool.
Almost50 is town.
Bujbaer is town.
Creature is town.

Not_Mafia is ?, leaning town
Carcasilly is ?, leaning town

Implo I'll also just leave as ???, I'm sure she'll be solved tomorrow
Skitter I'll just leave as ???, I'm sure she'll be solved tomorrow

Nic Cage is ?, leaning scum
Penguinpower is ?, leaning scum

Gamma is Vscum

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Like intellectually I should lynch Penguinpower here but I really don't want to.
So I think Gamma is the next best option

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Ok Spooghettioso doesn't belong in upper tier.
Put him in ? leaning town and those are the reads I'm going to take to the bank, the 5 town are not wrong.

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Skitter isn't getting lynched Gamma, and you're calling out Penguin but not voting there.
I think that's interesting. I think it's very likely that you're scum with one of the two in the 1v1 and keeping your vote out of it.

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VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

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did you just get scared when I called out the scumteam?

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I don't have to do anything. I'm getting copped.
I can simply sit and observe.

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VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

this is the single scummiest post that I have seen in my entire mafia playing career. congratulations for having made it, gamma.

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My bluff? I've been super open on my position that he's leaning towards scum but I don't like to lynch people who say nice things to me.

I am absolutely fine with him being lynched, I'll just make sure you follow since you basically just claimed scum (and most likely scum with PP might I add)

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haha

you had me as locktown

you know you just cockblocked the fuck out of implosion who was having a good scumgame?

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sure here you go

VOTE: PP

this is flipping scum

then gamma then implosion

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if you absolutely fucking refuse to cop me, Cmod, you're going on gamma or implosion.

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if you flip town you can lynch me then gamma, sounds like a plan, hmm?

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the best plan of all the plans

it's like such a good plan that it's a good plan

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if you fail to cop one of the three of us, cmod, you are going to be treated to a true rc crusade that, if you haven't enjoyed my level of being domineering so far, will take that level up to 100.

copping me is still preferred because I am cute as fuck and want to be able to say I solved the game with no guilty results.

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just gimme that inno and it'll all be over soon

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I AM THE NEW NOT MAFIA

I HAVE THE HIGHEST POSTS

DEATH TO BIRDS THAT CAN'T FLY

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Sanctus Christus deus vult
In the Name of God!
Sanctus Iesus Deus Vult
In the Name of God!
Sanctus Christus Deus Vult
In the Name of God!

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I HAVE THE HIGHEST POSTS KNEEL BEFORE ME GODLESS WRETCHES

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gamma please stay

Do you promise not to treat posts that are typically made facetiously as Word of God?

TYPICALLY

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we are in fact outnumbered

not for much longer

it means, master baggins, that you should never underestimate dwarves


WOULD YOU CONSIDER

JUST SCOTTING OFF

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i mean

does it matter

i'm getting copped guilty / you're getting copped inno right

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hmm

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Creature has a pathological aversion to ever treating me like it's even plausible that I could be town. When I vote penguin that literally confirms penguin as town to him despite my heavy tendencies towards bussing.

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It's kind of why when a lot of people started thinking he was good as town he was still lol creature to me because he tunnels me every game we played in together regular as clockwork.

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And he literally never learns from it like we've lost a metric ton of town games together exclusively off of him deathtunnels me whatever I do. He deathtunneled MariaR for being proxy me in friemds. It's not like he actually picks up wins vs my scumgame either, he just compulsively has to tunnel me no matter how many times it backfires on him, no matter how many times he's wrong, because... well who really knows. I just know what he does, not the why.

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i'm not sure how it is not obvious to everyone that scum gamma is trying to bus as leverage to avoid clearing me since I already called his associations with penguin and implo being scum

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VOTE: PenguinPower
If this flips scum, CM investigates who ever he likes, because we’re autolynching RC Day 2 in that case.

i was a townread of gamma's the entire game but the moment I call out implo as the third member of the scumteam he votes PP and says not to clear me
this is transparent scum panic-bussing and idk how yall dont see it

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VOTE: Gamma

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Locktown:
M&M
Creativemod1
A50
Creature
Spooghettioso

Confirmed scum:
Gamma Emerald

Most likely (but not literal 100%) buddy #1:
Implosion

Remaining scumpartner in order of likeliness:
{Nic Cage/Carcalilly}
{Skitter30}
{Not_Mafia}

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I'm strongly hoping that Creativemod1 decided last-minute not to be a fuck up and actually check A50 who was already conftown.
A confirmation on me and a clear on someone in the scumpool is a win at this point, and a guilty helps a lot in terms of getting momentum going.

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I don't feel like putting in effort before I see everyone claim cop checks so

@Creativemod1 who did you check
@anyone else who happens to be a n1 cop who did you check

if you are not exactly an N1 cop don't claim a result.

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if you checked in gamma emerald, rc, implosion i'm willing to call it literal autowin ftr

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OK i can run with that. that's strictly worse than checking me because I'm 100% sure that I'd have figured out that skitter was town if she stopped calling me scum every ten seconds but
here's my big question to everyone in the game. I think NM is town, like, most of the time-ish. enough that I'm fine mostly leaving them out of discussion and then just lynching them if the big 4 fails

If I'm right on {Gamma/Implo/Carca/NC} who is the town in that pool?

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Cuz like a big thing in my experience is that Gamma tends towards pushing on his buddies most of the game and excessively distancing as scum and I was looking for Gamma partners in the people he pushed on

like I actually gave Skitter more scum equity based on the fact that he tried to wagon there
and he was also trying to wagon Implosion at around the same time

But like if Nic Cage is scum he played a very textbook prevent-that-wagon-while-not-seeming-to-be-doing so style
and his approach to Carca was similar (weird 70% townread out of nowhere that he never explained)

Idk Skitter being flipped town tends to make me think the highest equity is Gamma/Nic/Carca

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my reads are gr8

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which reads are you talking about?

no i don't skitter literally cannot read you

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MMMM

Penguin I had to knee jerk vote because there was a serious risk that gamma was bussing to get me lynched for shit reasons then my reads would be ignored and town would lose.
If I wasn't under duress due to Skitter I wouldn't have had to make that vote.

Skitter I guess I can't read her when she's doing nothing but derptunneling me and calling me 80% scum? I'm fine with that.

You and Gamma? Eh. I would bet real $ that you aren't both town in any world.

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{Gamma/Implo/Carca/NC}

this is the game win

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Also

We're not lynching Carcalilly today because she's N2 cop
We're not lynching Nicholas Cage/Implo today because they have the best town equity of the set

so basically it's time for me to lead my lynch and we're starting with Gamma Emerald

Implo's just scum I think.

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ok ok nvm I was right at night

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So.

Gamma
Implo

pick 1 of {Carca/NicCage} preferably Carcalilly

good deal

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Creature dude CM1 is not scum.

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I am pretty sure I'm the sole person in this Plist with experience with bujaber.

He was killed because he was unlynchable because of the meta I had on him.

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Gamma is scum dude

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Idk how people aren't scumreading him but he's been bleeding scum all over the place.
We can try to lynch Implo today but it'll be a way more uphill battle than lynching Gamma and using his associatives to take down Implosion

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he was a leading wagon when I replaced in to fix that.

shhh

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the townies are talking.

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A50 you have to work with me on Implo or Gamma. they're both scum. idc what order we do them in.

I'm going to all-in this day phase but I want to make it as easy as possible so I'm looking for your vote

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NC is the one I feel the most uncertain about actually being scum
Gamma is lockscum for me.

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OK i can run with that. that's strictly worse than checking me because I'm 100% sure that I'd have figured out that skitter was town if she stopped calling me scum every ten seconds but
here's my big question to everyone in the game. I think NM is town, like, most of the time-ish. enough that I'm fine mostly leaving them out of discussion and then just lynching them if the big 4 fails

If I'm right on {Gamma/Implo/Carca/NC} who is the town in that pool?

You’re back in my townreads following PP’s townflip
The Bu kill is kinda confusing tho

spicy

if so wanna sheep me on implo

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hard to put into words

i would be v down to have carca cop you if you want to vote implo though

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I'm talking about Gamma.

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if nic cage is scum Gamma played a very textbook prevent-the-nic-cage-wagon-while-not-seeming-to-be-doing-so style
and his approach to Carcalilly was similar.

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what's your gamma read

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ok

so

is it you + those two?

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i have a 4 person lynchpool and you're protecting all of them so
not really inclined to see you as town

your reads are too shit to be coming from town you tbh

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it's not worth answering, he's town for the way he reacted to a50 and so many other things

looks like you're just trying to knock obvtown people out of the townblock

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that's an extremely lazy 'what people have done' read that fails to account for how towny stuff how people have actually done these things is.

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implo/gamma are the only lynches ever

yall can start piling up votes

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{Nick, sphaggeti} --- nullish scum
{Carca, imp, gamma}

I just want to point out that besides spaghets

my readslist is the exact same as the N1 kills readslist
the lynches I'm trying to lead are the exact same ones at the N1 kill would have led on.

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(also I didn't even notice that, damn fucking nice job bujaber you are the man)

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like holy fuck this doesn't even have to come from me anymore
Carcalilly is the pre-claimed N2 cop so she's off the menu
let's lynch between Gamma/Implo, the guy who got shot's N1 scumreads

Easy as pie!

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ok fine

but you need to fucking remember that implo and gamma are scum too, yeah?

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Locktown:
M&M
Creativemod1
A50
Creature
Spooghettioso

Skitter

If I die tonight everyone on that list is off the menu for the duration of the game.
If that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty on Carca, that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty. There has been at least one past instance of scum guiltying each other in 685.

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(in this setup)

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Locktown:
M&M
Creativemod1
A50
Creature
Spooghettioso

Skitter

If I die tonight everyone on that list is off the menu for the duration of the game.
If that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty on Carca, that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty. There has been at least one past instance of scum guiltying each other in 685.

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I would like every player before they vote the guilty to acknowledge that post.

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If there is a clear in the remaining pool (that is confirmed not to come from mafia) then then you're lynching in {Creature/Spooghettioso}

no one touches creative/a50/(skitter obviously)

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Any n2 docs are on me or this game is a loss
In fact

VOTE: IMPLO

You guys are going to throw this after I'm gone

Both the n1 and the n2 kill said that gamma and implo were both sci don't care what your reads on them are you guys are still alive for a reason and that reason is your reads are shit

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I would like every player before they vote the guilty to acknowledge that post.

Looks good. (What makes you think you would be NK'd tonight is beyond me though.)

Hint: Let it go. Don't even bother typing a naked question mark.

.you're fucking high if you think anyone else is the nk

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Implo did his 100% scumtell on the last page
He is now treated as confirmed scum.

His partner is never outside of {gamma NM nic}

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If you are a cop you're not checking anyone whose name I didn't just list

No lynching anyone else either

It's straight up more likely that NM is scum than anyone else in the game that isn't big 3

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That's like:
A50 - who hasn't done anything
Nick - who looks bad since D1
Spoog - who feels town atleast
Carca - the outed scum
imp - who atleast is still town
Gamma - who I feel is more likely to be town, but whatev

Your teads are absolutely garbage creature

You didn't die for a reason.

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Like don't correct the dead guys scumreads to your reads
Correct your ready to the dead guys reada

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Implo did his 100% scumtell on the last page
He is now treated as confirmed scum.

His partner is never outside of {gamma NM nic}

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can't we just lynch a50

we get the best of both worlds, a scum lynch and rc getting shot night 1

Implosion reaction to RC saying to Lynch in Gamma/Carca

Hey wait a second
Yeah we're actually... Not lynching Carcalilly today legit.

I think there's a nonzero possibility that NM is scum guiltying town to waste a day phase and get me killed before I can push gamma and implo through

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Like it's not likely
But it's really incorrect play to Lynch Carcalilly today
If she's scum she's still scum tomorrow, if not even if that chance is 5% we get a much stronger position going into tomorrow

We need to Lynch big game aka Implo today

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I mean you're guiltied scum I just gotta do my part to make it more obvious for the great unwashed masses

Boo hoo Carcalilly you know how I operate

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Eh it's not worth not lynching Carcalilly at this point

She's not gonna like bus here

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Pls stop tryna spew A50 scum

It was obvious even yesterday after I called you scum with him you were deliberately trying to make him look like your buddy

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She asked Gamma what to do because no daychat and she wasn't sure where to vote.

The way she kept calling Implo town to his face and felt the need to excessively emphasize that read is her other buddy.

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NM can I trust you to follow my readslist here

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Like I'm actually really stressed out
I was supposed to get the chance to lead a lynch and I think either gamma or implo flip would open the game right up
the reason I was not willing to vote Carca even though I wasn't even considering her scum was more than her being D2 cop, it's the fact that lynching her doesn't get town anywhere
both implo and gamma distanced from her D1 because her play was weak and they entered in today with the intent of bussing her (and having played with Carca before she outright asks to be bussed as scum)
Carca's even like deliberately trying to make herself look like scum with A50 to open up that mislynch

Why doesn't A50 scum just kill me if he thinks that he's getting guiltied and that Bujaber's readslist is dead wrong?

You call me a liar for calling myself the N2 kill but like jfc I am going to be the kill and at least one idiot town is going to write it off as a framekill

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like any cop in

[gamma implo rc]

won this game for town

but it didn't happen from either of the cops

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I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

I wouldn't like the new read. It's because I think gamma is valuable to town but his posts just whisper superficial in my ear occasionally.

like bam 100% 100% 100% scum indicative phrasing.
I called this out

before there were any flips

when on D1 I thought the scumteam was Carca/Gamma/A50. A50 was the only one in the trio that I was wrong about at the time.
I messed up on Carca in a way that I can't explain at this time but I essentially thought there was exactly a 50/50 of her being scum here and I chose the 50/50 wrong.
this phrasing literally guarantees Gamma emerald scum.

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I think those responses are decent
Yeah that’s enough to alleviate my core suspicion
VOTE: implosion
Also willing to vote BuJaber. I have a feeling those 2 could be buddies.

No it was actually a right game situation I was just saying what to the whole implo/bujaber scumteam which does me a big confuse frand.

Btw on this; I’d had this feeling for a while but I think Bu’s janky read on me+implosion could be trying to tie me to implosion

Remember when Gamma tried to tie Bujaber!scum to Implosion scum?

Before I get into the quote wall, a lot of my scumread here isn't things that are easy to put words to because it's largely what's

missing

as opposed to what's

present

in their ISO that makes me scumread them. I'll do my best to refer to the things in this ISO specifically that I think are obviously scum because I think they are genuinely obvious scum purely on stuff that's present, but even with all the scummy shit in their iso there's still oodles more that I can't put words to. Like Maria I am well versed in Gamma Emerald meta having played a metric ton of games with him and him having been present in like, more than half of all of my modded games on site so this is a read that I put a great deal of faith in. He also knows that and should therefore have a great deal of faith in my ability to read him, but when I call him scum he doesn't call me scum for it he just tries to deflect me and push on other people. When he's town he flips the fuck out when I scumread him.

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

This is a scummy phrasing for reasons that you'll have to take my word on. I don't expect yall to get much mileage on this, but it's a thing that exists

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

Gamma jumps on PP hot because of a point where he claims that they're lying about N_M's meta, something I would expect town them to feel very strongly about-

I recall being in a game with PP and NM where NM was fairly active and was Town

Until he says that I’m not giving him botd

-a bunch of quotes where Gamma does NOT talk about the lie but that I'm not C/Ping in for the sake of brevity

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

Then how was what I said a lie? I said "I've never seen him say this much in any game" not "I've never seen him fairly active in any game."

Seems like you're walking it back now.

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

Gamma Emerald jumped him at the start for lying but then when it came down to it it became more of a question of 'proving himself right' and saying that he's not giving PP benefit of the doubt unless he changes their read, calls PP out for reacting to being called a liar by asking him if he's going to get into a 'fight over nitpicks', and then at the end argues on an intellectual level that it should create reasonable doubt in his lockscum read of NM. This is

not

the reaction of Town!Gamma who thinks that PP lied. There's no effort to push on him, just to argue the 'correctness' of his position and no teeth behind any sort of push into PP. In the end he even backs right off and is put on the defensive. He's not interested in anything from PP besides defusing the argument.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

In that game (which was three games btw...this is one) he had 8 posts at this point. 17% of the posts he currently has. He increase in posting didn't happen until near endgame.

So, that was enough for you to scream that I'm a liar and vote me?

No, I misremembered his activity that game.
And I don’t think I ever walked anything back but w/e

He's defending himself to the person that he called a liar in big font like he believed in it. That's not town, that's scum Gamma who doesn't actually want to have this fight with PP.

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

"way of explaining it was rather roundabout"
"still reads contrived, lack a sufficient counter"
"more convoluted logic"

this isn't how town describes their scumreads, this is how scum describe people that they know are town that they're pushing on.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

That's what people said in civ mafia.

And if I recall you were one of very few people that didn't scumread me in day 1. Yet here you are.
Guess failure to meta read someone goes both ways.

How was your logic contrived in that game? And even then, your logic at this point is trying to push me+implosion because “Gamma changed my read on him which makes implosion possibly town, so they could be scum together”. That is some major mental gymnastics. How would I know that you would consider implosion town after that? In fact you just assuming we’re scum together is a red flag because that requires multiple assumptions. Plus there’s the fact I put myself in the spotlight. If you think I was saving him do you not think there were better options?

This post is truly scummy to the point of people not realizing that it's scum being essentially unforgivable.

I refuse to put detail to it, if you don't see it you gotta get better.

scum topic, clearly?
I just remembered that this game has no daychat for scum but that doesn't change my concern that her questioning him and not me is a TMI read.

I was going to question you on this but you are aware of the thing I thought you weren’t
I want to give townpoints for that tbh

Why give me townpoints for not remembering that scum have no daychat? If anything the fact that I've played this TWICE and didn't remember it suggests that I'm scum pretending I don't.

This is quickly turning into a commentary on various forms of government.

How???
This is such a ridiculous tangent it feels like misdirection

Yeah those responses don’t do much to convince me you’re Town
VOTE: implosion

Something something not how town talk about their scumreads, how scum talk about town that they are pushing on.

Having me sorted later in the game ups the odds of you not having to sort me at all because of scum nightkill.
Having me sorted earlier in the game means leashing most-all of the doctors onto protecting me.

with all due respect
no one but you cares as much as you do about ensuring your survival, and i'm sure you'll agree that stepping out of the frame of knowing you're town, having you sorted by a cop early would be pretty handy. I'm not necessarily advocating for that (I don't think it's a good idea at a glance to do anything to try to lead PRs around in this setup) but it's by no means bad from a neutral perspective.

99% of what skitter has said in the past 2 pages reads town to me, with the exception of a line that I think I had been misreading and can't even find on rereading where I thought she was townreading rc in a weird way and I'm not gonna try to keep finding it. I very much buy the way she's insisting this is outside her scumrange. I think most players who commonly talk about themselves as being easy to read are basically incapable of faking the "there's no way I can do this as scum" types of exchanges and it doesn't look bad to me at a glance.

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm a little tempted to start BoP'ing rc though. But that can come in a few days if he keeps this up.

How is this play by RC worth a BoP read?

Gamma Emerald is familiar enough with people threatening to BoP me that this question doesn't have to happen, he'd start with the meat of why it doesn't need to happen in this instance.

The fact that you're scumreading 567 is ridiculous to the point where it doesn't merit a response.

What's your issue with the other response?

I don’t think having an off read is something that necessitates a BoP lynch. It warrants skepticism yes, but autolynching for that is a bad call. Me and MariaR have a good history of reading each other but MariaR also has a precedent of messing up sometimes, that doesn’t mean she’s scum for it.

He is voting Implosion and therefore agrees with me that he's scum, correct? So why is he arguing to his scumread that I shouldn't be BoP lynched for incorrectly scumreading him if he thinks that he's scum and that I'm town?

Sure, let's vote Gamma for now then.

VOTE: Gamma

@everyone else for reasons that I can't really put words to I kinda think Penguin is more likely to be town than not so I'm not going to support that lynch or allow it to happen.
I think that Gamma and A50 are scum together a very large percentage of the time and I think Gamma is an amazing lynch today, while I would also support Carca or Lovebird as tertiary options, Carca preferred.
Can we talk about our reads on Gamma/Carca?

This vote I don’t take issue with

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

Neat.

I'm willing to swing Gamma potentially because I don't think I've actually ever seen him as scum. At least I can certainly be persuaded on it. I don't know how reading him works.

This however is pure horseshit. Just because he has no meta of scum!me he’s willing to follow onto the read, without even saying much wrt actual meta thoughts on me. And even with that he isn’t voting, which feels like he is testing the waters.

That ridiculous comment on A50 is SvS so much of the time and the fact that implo and myself are probably town means that there's likely 1 scum being addressed of the 3.

Good bujaber <3

Fine I'll VOTE: gamma but only because there's a chance RC gets confirmed soon and if he does get confirmed maybe I can trust his imp read for the time being.

Which he flipped for no reason

Another just this is a scum reaction and if you don't see it you won't see it.

Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

Why? I mean this makes most sense as SvS imo but.

gamma when you're town in a game with rc how likely are you to sheep him?

Pretty unlikely, even if I townread RC I don’t trust them to be rational enough to be worthy of sheeping.

I feel like if I actually cared I could crush your logic like a paper cup, maybe I'll do that later but I will say I think you're making assumptions, like when you say a50 is probably scum out of you/a50/implo in that wagon scan thing I did, rule of 3 does not work that way

Remember when I said Gamma scum had exactly 1 scum in the Rule of 3 and his first argument against was that A50 didn't have to be scum because of it?

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I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

skitter I was joking

Imploos Vs Bujaby looks like town v town

Remember when Carca started trying to get unvotes on Implosion early in the game and took it overly seriously and started calling his fight TvT?

penguin and bujabber is so town Vs town Someome please agree with me and make them stop

Remember how the

other

time Carca called something TvT she said it with a lot more force and had a lot more personality in the way she did so?
That's because this time she believes in what she's saying versus the last time, scumdefending.

I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

Why should they unvote me?

your entrance post was simple enough, and those votes seemed completely derped .-.

Remember when Implosion's reaction was to question it? Why does town implosion question it here?
But if Implosion is scum with Carcalilly, yes he absolutely gets worried that this makes them look partner-y and tries to call her out on it.

can't we just lynch a50

we get the best of both worlds, a scum lynch and rc getting shot night 1

this is why ur town

VOTE: a50

Remember when Carcalilly kept feeling the need to awkwardly explain her townread on Implosion which she didn't do with any of her other townreads?

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Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

In fact given what scum would know seeing the mafia PT I’d call that a possible townslip

In fact given what scum would know seeing the mafia PT I’d call that a possible townslip

This isn’t the newbie queue. Townslip...

I’m 100% serious here. Mafia would implicitly know every town is a PR, thus making that a moot question

getting waffle stomped down the lynch drain again but what I really dislike is how everyone is just completely gonna ignore M&M because we’ll cop them anyway

this is a literal scumclaim again btw
'ignore M&M because we'll cop them anyway'
like if I was scum getting copped I'd get lynched
this spews that she knows that I'm town and is still frustrated with the fact that I'm not gonna be lynchable, so scum

Not how I read that but okay
I feel like other recent Carca posts are scummy
VOTE: Carcalilly

L-1

Remember when Gamma thought that Carcalilly had townslipped and was 70% town (when does Gamma call people 70% town lol) but then when the wagon kept going through he voted anyway because he didn't want to be not on the wagon?

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This is Gamma's scum meta, right?

So love reading players accurately from one post.

to clarify, my post was reaction-testing gamma, and i am eagerly awaiting his well-thought-out reaction to my planned-out reaction test.

i guess reaction tests are usually accompanied by votes i guess.

VOTE: gamma emerald i guess

remember this rly fucking awkward interaction?
remember how me and Postie both on initial read (I didn't have an explicit ellitell style guilty until

today

but always vibed him scum from posting) had this guy as lockscum?

u know me and postie are p good players rite

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yeah not really buying skitter scum tbh

Remember when Skitter was being objectively scummy to people who know her meta
Myself and A50 both agreed that her play this game was questionable even if A50's read was kind of tainted by the presence of my read

but Implo TMIed her town even though he knows that my read there is fucking god tier in the past? How does he know this is the one time I'm wrong (and imo for entirely justifiable reasons her tunnel on me was sewage) and go with his own read there even though the people who know their shit are like yeah she's being weird.

she may have been town but she was not playing like her town self.

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which reads are you talking about?

no i don't skitter literally cannot read you

penguin, me, skitter, and likely gamma

Remember how today the only read Implosion hedged on was Gamma because he was never going to vote him but didn't want to be called out for having him as locktown?
Gamma also spent a large part of yesterday pushing on Implosion and that entire segment reeks of SvS.

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Everything I have said is completely and 100% accurate.
you're just scum so you gotta pretend otherwise, it's okay I forgive you.

thing is that discrediting me only goes so far when you have to flip me tonight or fight me tomorrow.

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Everything I've said is damn good play thank you.
Sorry that you had to play scum vs me again.

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Oh and I saved the best for last because I find it the least interesting thing to say here

I do in fact have an Ellitell style method of obtaining an 100% hard guilty on Implosion. It was referenced in multiple past games including Sneks and Noodles.
Skitter can attest to the efficacy of said tell and can also attest to the fact that I'm good at reading Implosion outside of it because I generally know what to look for.
As of now he has performed a tell that has only

once

been absent in a scumgame and has

never

been present in a towngame.

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You will also note that Implosion is not calling me scum, just discrediting my read.
He is fully aware that my read on him is 100% effective.

Why does he do that as town? Answer: he doesn't. As town he asks to get copped to get me to fuck off of him or asks for me to get copped because there is no way that he thinks that I'm scum right now.
But as scum? Calling me scum does nothing, he's going for the kill on me either way and if it gets stopped it's just game over for him. Discrediting my read on him is sufficient for his purposes as scum and it's what he's doing.

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Obviously since my logic is in fact good he's going to do his best to avoid addressing it today and is instead going to address it tomorrow when I'm (hopefully for him) not alive to contradict what he says.

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I'd get into the whole 'him discrediting the "intellectual honesty" of my the things that I do as opposed to what it says about my alignment or its correctness' but I feel like I've done enough, yeah?

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{Carca, imp, gamma}

overlapping readslist of the person who was N1ed and the best town player in the game
game set and match folks
(oh and scum never made a nightkill to protect Carcalilly with the way she was playing, the kill was made to protect someone else. In this case, the whole scumteam )

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this is a lie; sneks is the first game i've played with RC (to my knowledge) in over 2 years. I could be forgetting one.

I've mentioned the existence of the block of 100% reads including you being present in it before the read actually came into play.
It came up discord side in team mafia several times, I'm not sure if it came up in game when we were powerlynching LLD

This is also a lie; i am not calling RC 100% scum, because I don't trust him as town as much as he does. But I've made it very abundantly clear today that he's one of my two most likely candidates for scum with carcalilly+NC.

This is RC projecting his own personality onto me. I would be happy to be copped here but I don't particularly care about it if other people don't buy RC's bullshit (which I will argue against as much as is necessary), because I don't agree with the premise that RC is more important of a player than anyone else in this game.

The most important player in the game is the one who is going to catch the scumteam most effectively.
I am not at all shy about listening to various other players who I have respect for.
I expect to have a disproportionate amount of control over the lynch when I have a disproportionate amount of ability to find the scum, which is extremely true when you roll scum.

I'd also like to point out how ridiculously ironic it is that RC is complaining he's going to be the night two kill after helping lead a lynch on a night two doctor.

Yeah sucks your scumpartner bluffed me onto the wagon because I thought it was too much of a risk that I'd be quicklynched today because people are bad at dealing with me.
It says very little about my alignment though because I made it clear on D1 I was not interested in taking control of the game. I made it clear that I'd lead the game, today.
I caught scum overnight and here we go.

He is probably scum, but not specifically for the way he's arguing. Like I've mentioned RC will use sophistry to his advantage when he thinks it's useful as both town and scum. The reason he's probably scum here is his reads.

I'm pointing out that it's a Gish Gallop because it's ridiculously agitating to see misleading rhetorical tactics used against me, and I need other people to understand that what RC is doing right now is a rhetorical tact designed to make it onerous for me to respond accurately.

Open up my eager eyes because I'm Mr. Brightside.

VOTE: Implosion

LETS FUCKING DO IT BOYOS

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I never

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I neverrr

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I neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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I neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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maybe next time u should roll town instead of rolling scum?

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You should give it a rest, this game is over for you sir.

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That's what I'd say here implosion

Ok you're at work I respect that I'll stop posting so you can get work done

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i probably would if i were scum, tbh.

@tbis

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My readslist is basically identical to the person that scum chose to nightkill last night.

You're sitting here all game calling me scum.

Maybe I'm not the person here who has bad reads?

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Like I obviously

royally

dropped the ball on PenguinPower
But if I didn't vote PenguinPower and he was scum with Gamma there's a serious possibility of me just getting clusterfucked tomorrow with my reads already discredited from the Penguin flip.

If my slot wasn't under threat I would have been able to approach Penguin very differently but I made what I thought was the highest equity play in a situation where I was really scared that scum were maneuvering to mislynch me.

Skitter if you scumread me that's fine whatever. My being lynched even doesn't hurt town's chances of winning the game.

But you cannot start scumreading people that are in the townblock.

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I DIDNT FUCKING LEAD ONTO PP SKITTER.

I SHEEPED A WELL BUILT WAGON

FUCK OFF.

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VOTE: M&M

vote me.

we're lynching me then when i'm confirmed town everyone I have said dies dies.

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Skitter you're actually a horrible player.

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Like not only are your reads bad
but your hey my reads are equal to everyone elses despite that
and your arrogance in asserting that you can have an 80% scumread on me

like ouch

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Okay let's just not play ever again. I can't deal with this again. My being conftowned here won't change the way you are.

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'your reads are bad'

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fucking oof. yes bujaber died because he was dead wrong on everything and you were dead right on everything, that's what happened here, even when you were dead wrong on implo last game.

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Ok fine I missed that
But why are you so opposed to lynching implosion? Is it just because it’s what RC wants? That’s no reason to not vote someone. RC did similar to Mathblade in Lynch the Wolves. Not that I think RC is scum here, but even if she is implosion is still a good wagon imo.

i'm townreading him incredibly strongly

i'm not against it because rc is pushing it, but because i don't think he's scum

(i am often against wagons if my biggest scumread is pushing it tbh but here that's kinda an immaterial point and that's not why i'm objecting to it; i keep on reiterating it to get across that we're not doing this today)

why do you think implosion is a good wagon?

When I flip does that implosion read go away because I will selfvote for you

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K I don't trust skitter to reeval even post my flip

VOTE: Implosion

kill it with fire.

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a50 just ignore her. her playing for scum doesn't mean her role pm is scum. vote Implo

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right now i don't see much of a reason to; your main reason for scumreading him seems to be 'secret tell' and 'scum with carca and gamma' (and earlier it was a50/carca/gamma and you rescinded a50 so)

I stand by 2/3.

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If you'll speedvote Implo when I flip town I'll just vote the guilty today and avoid us having to get into a painful fight here.

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she's obviously going to claim n1 cop to deter her being lynched today

I’m night 2 but okay

you idiot.

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a50 you're just setting yourself up to be mislynched in the future
if you have to lynch me then do it but stop saying stuff beyond that.

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ok

so vote me

don't call cmod scum
don't make yourself look worse

i am fully fucking aware that you have an image problem that's why I'm trying to get you to not make a shitty turn that Implosion tomorrow will spin as you being scum trying to mislynch me

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because sometimes I want to play town and not be scumread.
my scum play holds back my ability to be effective as town so much

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Like.

Imagine if I was NSG right now and I was literally mod confirmed town.

Do you know how easy this game would be for town?

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literally just replace me with someone who was locktown for putting in the effort that I was

pushing scum lynches would be a fucking joke

no having to deal with skitter shittunneling me and making herself unreadable
no having to deal with gamma's shit
no having to justify everything all the time and put ten times the effort anyone else has to in order to be a quarter as towny

I don't care if people respect me I just want to have the ability to actually play a game of mafia and I really don't have that.

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You haven't walked a mile in my shoes, don't tell me how to feel.
Did it ever occur to you LLD being as bitter as she was about mafia was more to do with the circumstances that she played the game under than anything to do with her?
Even MariaR who isn't like policy lynch level bitches constantly about how horrible of an experience it is to constantly be scumread for no reason.

Like it's actually game ruining. It's not fun. It doesn't help any party involved's win rate. All it does is make a shitty experience for me with no gain for anyone else.

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Like every time I play scum now I'm like super careful about not doing a whole bunch of things because I don't want to be scumread when I do them as town.
I almost never bus, I almost never AtE in any form, I even intentionally underpost so that I can maintain the meta argument that overposting makes me town.

I want to just be able to play games without having to choose every one of my words super carefully and watch my back all the time to not get lynched for the reward of dying N1.

At least LLD usually lived to endgame

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I hold myself back enough as scum as is and I've still seriously considered making an alt where I outright creature level gamethrow as scum so I can start being taken seriously as town.

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people have tried every approach to my scumgame except learning to read me correctly.

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I don't count my W/L on hydra games

this would not be at all worth it as scum.

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That's thep oint

I"m not talking about being copped, I'm saying imagine how this game would be different for me if giving this many fucks made me locktown.

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That was true of him in sneks as well.

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I am 100% sure that

M&M
A50
Cmod1
Skitter
Spooghetrioso

I am fairly sure
NM
Creature are town

That leaves
Carca
NC
Gamma
Implosion

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The scumblock is right, period.
IDC what order they die in the game is won with those 4 dead.

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Like Implo

Why wouldn't gamma/carca/nc be right?

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If you agree to Lynch NC and Gamma I'm fine with you going last.

I'm not attached to anything besides all 4 of you dying.

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That's what you would say.

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If we lynch Carca I want cops leashed onto Gamma.

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Actually yeah IDC

Any pick in that scumpool {NC implo gamma} is fine

If we get an inno flip I'm fine to be lynched to confirm my slot at that point.

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Less odds of a multitarget
Don't doc me, do lynch my scumpool if I die.

Happy to be lynched if the 1 town in the pool is flipped.

Glgl

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I think carca was obvscum and thus viable

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Carca reaction conftown NM either way I think

Which is why he is above creature now

Only imploscumteams or rcscumteams have NM guilty town carca

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VOTE: Gamma emerald
If implo is the town of the 4 then lynching implo throws the game because people won't trust my reads anymore
If Gamma is the town it's the least dangerous mislynch
If NC is the town we don't risk Gamma skating to endgame on bus cred

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This or the safe Carca lync and cops in my remaining 3

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I called your reads shitty because you scumread me basically

Sorry

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Carca reaction conftown NM either way I think

Which is why he is above creature now

Only imploscumteams

or rcscumteams have NM guilty town carca

i mean that's kinda my point

VOTE: Gamma emerald
If implo is the town of the 4 then lynching implo throws the game because people won't trust my reads anymore
If Gamma is the town it's the least dangerous mislynch
If NC is the town we don't risk Gamma skating to endgame on bus cred

if we're not lynching carca today (and not you either sigh) i want to lynch NC out of those 4

i'd lynch carca over implo and gamma tbh

If NC is town and it's implo/gamma/carca I fully expect you to throw the game after we mislynch NC.
The fact that you don't want to lynch Implo/Gamma is the reason it's so important that we get the scum flip in them.

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you must forgive me that your concern that i'm scum doesn't worry me quite as much as it worries you.

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i entirely understand your point of view

if you hard committed to lynch implosion if there were living scum after gamma/nc/carca went down we'd be able to do business here.

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even if you hard committed to lynch implosion if there were living scum after gamma/nc/carca/RC were all gone or copped we'd be able to do business here.

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what do you expect me to do to allay your concerns?

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Like I requested to be checked and unnecessarily claimed n1 doc to enable said check. I'm not understanding what you thought scum me was trying to pull this game. I virtually never agree to being copped as town, I wouldn't have had to agree to any other this as scum, and if I was scum trying not to be copped I wouldn't have made a big show of the PP push just before EOD.

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I guess we'll lynch Carca now since I can't get gamma going.

VOTE: carca

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VOTE: Gamma emerald
If implo is the town of the 4 then lynching implo throws the game because people won't trust my reads anymore
If Gamma is the town it's the least dangerous mislynch
If NC is the town we don't risk Gamma skating to endgame on bus cred

Am following through your PoE

why that slot died btw.

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'but they were obvtown'

no they died because of their reads.
there's multiple innos and pseudo innos, the slot died because they were gonna lynch scum.

so. any new cop claims?

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why would you not cop implo if you were town?

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I thought about it but figured you’d always conclude we were scum together
Plus Spooghetioso felt like a no-show at the end of d2 so I wanted to get that slot filed away.

Okay, but like if I conclude you're scum together I'm still lynching Implosion with you

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Do we have any other cop results? I would like to lynch Gamma today. Worst case scenario, he flips town, we know that Spoogh is scum, and we still have a mislynch to go.

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Ehhhhhhh

I'm undecided

Like Spoogh's iso could totally be a Carca partner and V/V

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I'm ngl I'm getting a strong feeling that this might be scum claiming a guilty on scum

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Carca by her ISO still I think spews Gamma scum really hard
But like if I had only Spooghettioso as a flip I would say it spews Carca scumbuddy really hard
From Spoogh's ISO the other interesting potential spew is A50 but I heavily don't think A50 is scum by play

Is there a universe where both Implosion and Nicolas Cage are town I wonder.

Honestly I kind of want to see both of these two dead over the next two days.

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My (our) hands are off the wheel today.

Yall can lynch whichever of the two you want.

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We'll hammer whichever gets to L-1 unless Postie has some other ideas about what we should do.

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I mean you, like, had to know that Implo or NC was the correct check. I feel like you are scum who knew that claiming an inno made you more likely to get lynched.
Also, both of the nightkills had you as their overlapping scumread. (that applies to implo as well, but)

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Like you would have known that you were the lynch today after Creature flipped. So I think it's tremendously likely for you to claim a guilty as scum.
Whether you're claiming a guilty on scum (which is actually arguably the result that you can claim that narrows down your options the least) or on town just trying to buy a ML, idk.

I mean I guess if you're a D3 cop you do claim today obviously but if you're a d3 cop why the hell would you not check Implo? Whereas as scum I would expect you -not- to result Implo.

Like regardless of his alignment, there. If you're buddies, it doesn't get you much TCred. If he's town and you guilty him, you die 100% to bring down someone who was dying anyw.
If he's town and you inno him, maybe that sets him up for a future mislynch but he was already kinda set up for that future mislynch kinda deal.

So there's no equity in you claiming a result on Implo as scum whereas it's the result that I would have 100% expected from town you and it didn't happen.

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and just the sheer fact that so many people are townreading you when you've been so scummy gives me such awful feelings about the future of this game if we lynch spooghe and they're your buddy

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Like I'm actually more fine giving you a mislynch than giving you a lynch on Spooghe scum with you right now, amusingly.

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like if you kill me tonight then rc/creature/bujaber every player who has thought you're scum is dead and you're left with the people townreading you
like with how heavily townread you are there's not a lot of people that you wouldn't be able to mislynch after this.

and this lobby has skitter who is anathema to listening to other people even if every dead player had the same read and implo who if town has as their main goal shutting down my reads
what a game

yeah I think that I have to vote Gamma here.

VOTE: Gamma

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Only got a couple mins before going back to work but something to take into mind is that we have 4 docs claimed (including dead) and 4 cops now claimed, 5 unclaimed (1 of which is my innocent)

I think it’s best to lynch the guilty for now and then look into the other claims

This is slightly incorrect because one of the people you're counting as unclaimed is the flipped scum. Ignoring Carca, we have:

4 claimed doctors (a50, M&M, Creature, Penguin)
4 claimed cops (CM1, N_M, Gamma, BuJaber)
4 unclaimed (me, skitter, Spoogh, NC)

I don't think it's beneficial to massclaim yet. It's possible that gamma+Spoogh are both scum in principal, but I don't think this is the tact they'd take if they were; why wouldn't they have Spoogh claim a guilty on Gamma instead of the other way around? I don't *think* there's a lot of prudence in Gamma fakeclaiming cop here as scum, given that if he is scum, he knows there's still at least one cop out there (possibly up to 3, but he'd know the specific number) who could potentially induce autowin by finding the other scum, since we have two mislynches. Which is why I'm inclined to believe it.

when I had titus fakeclaim a guilty on me I did it after bussing a partner and having 6 living cops.
gamma may have learned something from that.

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Implosion makes a point I didn't consider making before. If the plan was to fake a guilty on a teammate why wouldn't the one who was in the background be faking on the one who was widely suspected?

Gamma you aren't widely suspected in any universe, most of the game is fairly certain that you're town. Kill Creature and then double down on you being town with only me scumreading you alive.

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Only got a couple mins before going back to work but something to take into mind is that we have 4 docs claimed (including dead) and 4 cops now claimed, 5 unclaimed (1 of which is my innocent)

I think it’s best to lynch the guilty for now and then look into the other claims

This is slightly incorrect because one of the people you're counting as unclaimed is the flipped scum. Ignoring Carca, we have:

4 claimed doctors (a50, M&M, Creature, Penguin)
4 claimed cops (CM1, N_M, Gamma, BuJaber)
4 unclaimed (me, skitter, Spoogh, NC)

I don't think it's beneficial to massclaim yet. It's possible that gamma+Spoogh are both scum in principal, but I don't think this is the tact they'd take if they were; why wouldn't they have Spoogh claim a guilty on Gamma instead of the other way around? I don't *think* there's a lot of prudence in Gamma fakeclaiming cop here as scum, given that if he is scum, he knows there's still at least one cop out there (possibly up to 3, but he'd know the specific number) who could potentially induce autowin by finding the other scum, since we have two mislynches. Which is why I'm inclined to believe it.

when I had titus fakeclaim a guilty on me I did it after bussing a partner and having 6 living cops.
gamma may have learned something from that.

We...also played scum together in the previous run of this setup. So like, why don't you look at that?

i do remember that game, i bussed math and then bussed you for the easiest mylo possible

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lol

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Subject: Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

Vedith should be docced and check Gamma
Gamma should check a doctor, preferably Navy

Subject: Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

I like this strategy actually

If Titus claims N4 doc, Vedith cops Gamma, Gamma cops in docs (not kelvin), any other cops on Gamma, if Vedith dies we autolynch Titus

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I believe you on that!

I don't think you're town here though.

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So who is the lynchpool now if I don't locktown Spoogh

Cmod1 town
Skitter town
A50 town
NM town (not for the guilty, for the fact that Carca didn't understand what was going on. if it was her buddy that guiltied her she'd react differently)

M&M town (but can I actually make endgame without being lynched?

Spoogh
Gamma
Implo
Nicholas cage

If I reintroduce Spoogh to the lynchpool, and I don't particularly think they flip scum, we can't have autowin without me living to endgame and that's not happening with every nk being someone who trs me.

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Honestly

I think Gamma is just guiltying town to buy time and trying to spew me scum with the 'rc town dont cop docs on him'

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Just in case it helps anyone read me I was in two separate ongoings with Carcalilly at one point and the games were ridiculously different to the point I was sure she was T in 1 and S in the other.
Unfortunately because her push on me in the other game was so shit I assumed that this was the one that represented her town game and the other one was her scum game.

I think that if you track my developments on my reads on her between these two games it should make it pretty clear that I'm town in this one.
But I expect to be copped the night I get nightkilled regardless of any efforts to tell as town so...

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Has spool made a claim yet btw?

Also, finding it more and more interesting how both times M&M has advocated for lynching cops over their guilty's

This is not at all accurate.
I never once suggested lynching NM instead of Carcalilly. I suggested not lynching Carca the next day because it was 'optimal' but I was always open to it.
Moreso because I wanted to get a higher equity lynch before going after someone I was already sure was scum before they got guiltied.

Gamma was the same person I was trying to lynch yesterday in case you've forgotten so I'm not sure why you think I should change my read there.

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M&M, I had a townread on them at the start but the more the game goes on the less I trust them, reason why I trusted them to begin with was because they asked me to cop them and they would protect me, but the issue with that is if they are mafia, they could easily kill me and then claim the next day that they doc'd someone else under the thought that mafia wouldn't try to kill me as they knew I had protection...I don't get why M&M keeps trying to lead the lynch each day, and more importantly why he keeps trying to swing the lynch away from cop check'd guilty

I have not yet had the opportunity to lynch any of the people who I think are both 1) scum and 2) likely to endgame.
I don't know why you would think that I would stop wanting to lead lynches when the person I was most scumreading in fact flipped scum.
I don't trust the guilty for reasons that should be... obvious if you realize that I personally abused fakeclaiming cop results to win this game twice as scum.

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Sorry I really don't buy Gamma sitting here calling me town after I've been pushing on him the whole game. That's strange to me.
I definitely buy scum!Gamma sitting here calling me town waiting until the game goes late enough to mislynch me because he doesn't want to have the fight at a point where I can stipulate that he absolutely gets lynched when I flip town and then have to try to fight his way out of it, even though no one would prolly sheep me in this lobby.

I dunno. Dealing with bullshit tilts me and when I'm wrong as town I'm usually wrong in the direction of errantly scumreading people scumreading me.
The fact that I think Gamma is scum when he's never pushed on me makes me ++confident in him actually being scum, plus this check objectively doesn't make sense.

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I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

I wouldn't like the new read. It's because I think gamma is valuable to town but his posts just whisper superficial in my ear occasionally.

I mean stuff like this does say more about Carca than the one being talked about but, meh.

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M&M I think you should like go to sleep or like take a break

if you're voting me you're a bad player or scum flat out.

I mean this is true.
no one has put a quarter of the gamesolving effort into this game that I have.
eighth?

if you're just going to ignore that and vote me because my scum game is good that really does, at best, make you a bad player.

you have a right to feel that way but just take to mind that we’re all just people playing a really intense game

I’m only talking to you like this now because I can legitimately see your stress leaking and that’s not good for any of us.

Which head am I talking to?

What I want to do is get the best cop answers possible because clearly everything is muddy to this point.

Who do you all think will give us the most information as either alignment? I’m wanting to do either A50, PP, M&M, or maybe even bujaber.

This is RC lol Postie isn't like this[/quote]

I can’t get on discord though but ik your day was not cool. If it’d help you can pm me and rant with no shame that god is watching. This is completely off topic with the game but yeah.

Having read the game again, I find it really difficult to believe anyone can believe this is scum theatre in a game without daytalk.

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Okay.

{Spoogh, Implo, Nic Cage}
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{Gamma if this flips town}
{N_M if this flips scum}

is how I would conduct the lynchpool

Note that that requires me to either be nightkilled, not be lynched, or to be copped.

I guess I'm fine with gamma who had the balls to guilty his partner having a win maybe? I'd prefer not to but I know that I caught him and whatnot.

Wrong hydra.

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I mean I tried but I'm not being listened to.