Micro 829: The Coalition [Endgame]
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It’s been a minute!
Never thought I’d venture out of Central Park huh?-
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Getting some town pings off this.In post 35, no lunch wrote:
However, I believe there are some players on this list who are exceptionally hard to read. There's a very low chance I'll be allowing them into a coalition personally, even if they do present as very towny.-
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........I hate both you and the elephant right now.In post 54, skitter30 wrote:this wasn't clear to me
now that i think about it this might be sarcasm but if it is it's hard for me to tell-
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Do you have any questions for him on the matter that my disinterest is stopping you from asking?In post 62, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t see reading it as necessary to understand how things went right or wrong? I didn’t read Civ mafia but I know what a train wreck that was.In post 46, Aubrey wrote:Why listen to possibilities from a game you and I won’t read? For that info to matter, we’d need deeper context to fully understand and even check their claims.-
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Town ping.In post 68, Chara wrote:no lunch is, ironically, a player i think will be very hard to read! :>-
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When you’re asked the same question 3 times over, and you’ve given the answer to the person you plan to give, one tends to get annoyed. Plus expecting hard reads by page two is absolutely goofy in my eyes.
As for the pings, it’s a matter of considering role mindset, and wondering about the probability of those snips coming from town POV over scum POV. Regarding Chara, Scum don’t have to wonder about roles. They know the roles. So what’s the likelyhood of scum Chara saying what she said, and the way she said it (unprovoked, and without a seemingly alterier motive). In my eyes I’d expect a towny actively trying to sort ppl to say that over scum.
Now there is a possibility that she’s scum just making a joke, but that’s why we look for multiple reasons before really locking someone as town.
NL’s ping is me using the same system, but different reasoning/expectation.-
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If we make a coalition ofIn post 88, skitter30 wrote:you want to make it easier to figure out who scum is in a failed coalition by making all the players in it easy-to-read. so you're basically trying to make a long-term (ie not coalition-based) win easier since winning the game via coalition can be tricky since scum are incentivized to act townie (and if they don't they just lose!)easy to read people, and we are wrong, then clearly the coalition doesn't contain easy to read people. If we use the coalition as a cop read by putting one bad egg in the mix, then we are going against our win condition.
What we need to do is introspect how scum with react with their incentives to be in the coalition, and keep an eye on who everyone is town-reading while making sure we all are doing our best to make accurate reads and checking one another along the way.
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For instance, I don't see how Elephant is being seen as one of the stronger town-reads so far outside of high energy. I remember Chara liked his idea of trying to keep the playing field shaky, but has he really made the playing field shaky with his antics? or has he just been a lot of noise?-
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I like this from Sky.In post 123, Skygazer wrote:
the way he flipped suddenly on no lunch then flipped back looks like it comes from town, like it shows early townie engagement imoskitter wrote:what are you liking about gamma?
Though I flip flop with Gamma.
I think I'm going to HEAL: Skygazer-
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Why is Aslightrain your runner up?
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So did this change, or can you better explain it now?In post 88, skitter30 wrote:a little bit guttown on gamma but idk why exactly-
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In post 142, skitter30 wrote:(also i'm pretty sure he hasn't posted since i wrote that so i'm not sure what you think would have prompted a change)Spoiler: Reason
^ This just feels like it should be a null read to me than a slight push for town.
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I personally am having trouble pin pointing how I feel about your slot.-
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Let's chat about this later if I continue feeling perplexed. If we talk about it now, then your progression won't feel as organic to me.In post 147, skitter30 wrote:what's bothering you about my slot?
Gotcha.In post 146, Chara wrote:would like to wait for aslightrain to report back before i elaborate too much-
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I don’t really have a good reason other than I’d rather build a coalition of people I townread. I was shocked we could even vote ourselves, and kinda turned my nose up at it. I viewed it as someone voting for themselves to win a public choice competition, and I’ve never considered that a right thing to do personally, though I’m sure many would dissaggreee with me on that sentiment.
There might be a bit of ego also playing into it.
I am aware I’m going against my win condition here.-
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I'm at work skimming from time to time, so I can't go into detail on a lot of things. or comment on things that will take longer than a minute or two.
assuming we haven't major F'ed up and put two scum in the townblock.In post 203, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think it might be smarter to hunt outside the townbloc first, as finding a scum there narrows the last scum down, which doesn’t work the other way around.In post 199, Irrelephant11 wrote:scum have daychat
HURT: charaHURT: no lunch
I forgot I voted Aubrey near the beginning of that post but I'll stick with sky for now
though I wonder if our strategy is that our lynch should only ever be in the coalition? since that'll optimally be where scum is if the coalition fails?
I'm for the opposite should the coalition fail. Look in the 5 players, then free for all it.-
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Woooooooooah. No. That is not what I said. I said I wanted to build my personal coalition of others without voting for myself because x y z. I never said,In post 216, Irrelephant11 wrote:"oh I don't want to be in the coalition""I don't want to be in the coalition"
If I get put in the top 5 for the coalition at EOD, it's because I got read that way by others and not by slipping in a free-pass on my self. That is essentially what i was saying.-
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(Still need to take a deeper dive in all that has been said today)
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But I'm stuck between two worlds right now.
World A: I can't help but wonder if one scum has made the towny ploy by now. That scum I'd say would be within the more active members being Myself, Chara, NL, Elephant, and Skitter. I haven't really been looking for pairing possibilities, but I can't say anything glaring has stuck out to me. Until I do that, I'd say the likely possibility is that the other is within the middle to non active group. For whatever reason, I'm not really that afraid of both scum being in the most active group right now.
World B: Scum either don't know how to get into the towns favor with how loud NL, Chara, and Elephant make it....Or they simply haven't had time to devote to the game. Thus we all have been town bickering at one another left and right leading to the town eating itself alive. Gamma, Sky, Aslighttrain, My Milked Eek. being the lower active peeps.
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World A is the one i find myself believing to be the most likely possibility and fearing of.
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Between the separated groups, I trust Chara the most of the actives, and Sky out of the less active group.-
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I don't get this.In post 198, Irrelephant11 wrote:
this post makes me townread skitter a lot more than it makes me townread skyIn post 179, Skygazer wrote:HEAL: skitter
she seems unconcerned with the fact that shes not in the majority coalition atm and she entered with a self-heal which makes me think she's not concerned with looking eager to be on the coalition right off the bat
like that may seem contradictory but I feel like scum wouldn't want to enter with something that screams "hey pick me" like a self heal and i feel like in the game state we're in right now she would be trying to town tell more aggressively
(granted she could be scum with a widely townread player but eh)
Do you think he is faking this read? Or is this a"I logically don't agree with this thus you are scum."-
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Hmmm I originally liked the wavering moment you had, but this kinda dampens it a hair.In post 199, Irrelephant11 wrote:I forgot I voted Aubrey near the beginning of that post but I'll stick with sky for now
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I can't tell if you're locking horns with people because you want to place them, or because you just need to have your horns locked in on someone.-
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Do you by chance get a sense of her flowing with the town? Like scum syncing up to the flow of the town?In post 202, Chara wrote:skitter townreads in general all kind of make me nervous. she could easily be town, but there's really nothing in that ISO that i would say scum skitter couldn't do."some people are townreading X so its safe if i townread X"
I think this has been one of my deeper fears with her as I've been reading the game through my first pass. I haven't really iso'ed her to justify or negate that fear though.
(Time is an issue for me)
Like, I don't recall her really being the first to say I like X or I don't like X on any of the reads...it always seemed once a few people were of a general consensus that it was safe to join the read unless specifically questioned.
This is kinda what I was struggling to get a sense for in 144
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If you can show me where I'm graveingly mistaken here Skitter, please do so! As you're a slot that is causing me turmoil to judge.-
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But why only Skitter if that's the case? They could have used this on Gamma at first, but instead they brought up different reasoning.In post 219, Chara wrote:here's a take because i'm bored of waiting for Sky's answer and i would rather just pressure it:
i think Sky is self-conscious scum and so neglected to put herself in her own coalition. she's townreading skitter for openly putting herself in her coalition to start because she thinks scum would maybe have that same self-consciousness about it, and this is because she had that feeling and she's scum. this is in spite of most other players also doing the same thing in their opening.
also skitter pointed out herself that she isn't being all that towny.
no lunch gets a pass because they mentioned that skitter is hard to read previously and also for being town.-
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I can't stay up any more critically looking through everyones posts. I still feel like I'm in the same shithole I left with after work. I'm at 235
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279 and 280 are the two posts that are the most relieving to finally let out, as they have been the main points that have been causing me trepidation with Elephant and Skitter.-
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Oh, you misunderstand. I don’t care wether you like me or not. It was a matter of me feeling like that was a moment of towns confliction with a spot that I was interested in. Then when I continued reading, I began to wonder if it was genuine or fake confliction.
You’ve been going about this game in a method I’d expect scum to use to move their slot up. Hence back to the locking of horns statement.
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Btw, I’ve been called she like 5 times over this game and was never offended. I’d hope nobody here would be hurt of a mixed up pronoun.
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Sorry if that is short but I’m writing this quick. Off to work I go!-
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LMAO. Oh dearrr. How’s it been 50?In post 333, Almost50 wrote:@Aubrey: What if I told you we should no lynch on D1??
P.S. This is for Aubrey and ONLY HIM!-
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If I had to take a guess, and we all threw out our votes, I bet a wagon would form between Gamma and Sky(maybe NL by the sound of things but whatever)
My initial like about Sky was their read on Gamma. I liked the fact they brought up a read that nobody else had mentioned by that point. I don’t see scum TR’ing Gamma that early, unless they are partners.-
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Heh, this is gutsy of you.In post 403, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: Can I convince you to HURT no lunch and HEAL me & Irrelephant instead?-
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Don't know if I really want Gamma in there yet.
Chara is fine.
I'm fine with you I think. Chara has put some paranoia into your slot for me, but the only scum motive i can foresee is if you are power pushing town slots into the coalition in order to get town read for it. I don't see you pushing your buddy that hard into a coalition when it only takes one scum to bust the coalition after getting decently town-read.
Need to shift back through Skitter and Elephant.
Back to work.-
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In post 597, Chara wrote:
do you have an opinion on it?In post 592, Aubrey wrote:Holy shit this is getting bloody.
are you kidding? I'm barely keeping up with what he said she said they said it said.-
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yes.In post 609, Chara wrote:(i'm assuming you're busy/at work.)-
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F me, I'm overwhelmed. and I'm not spending the rest of my night when i get home pouring through all these pages.
Skitter and Elephant need to be sorted.
I trust A50 and Chara for the most part, but i sure as hell would rather not sheep blindly.
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I'm scared a scum is in elephant, Skitter, and No lynch. I have nothing to back that up, just sheer gut. I would be shocked if both scum were in the less active members as that heavily goes against their win con.
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I doubt Sky will make it into a final coalition so HURT: skygazer.-
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