Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Varsoon, you know from experience that I can read Irrel so trust me on that, please.

Alright, then, I trust you on this.

How am I meant to not scum read shoshin here. Going into this game all I see I about her are people worshipping her town game, and herself boasting about the perfection of her town game.

And then she death tunnels me.

So given the knowledge of my own alignment.

Do I respect her reputation, therefore indicating she's tunnelling me for a mislynch.

Or disregard her reputation and call her a townbeard.

Please explain how I not scum read shosin here.

I've had the same sort of reaction to Shoshin.
Like even in this game, too!
I think I wrote something like
"You're either scum or your judgment is flawed.
Which is it this time?"
I think that's a pretty natural reaction to have.
The way Shoshin plays does infuriate me
And I do disagree a lot with their approach
But it doesn't mean they're scum
And it's best for town cohesion to work with it instead of just walling up against it.
That's basically the conclusion I've come to, at least.
Also, like I said, Shoshin's alignment sorts itself out well before lylo, no problem.

True, I hardtown read her in Labrynth until her negative interaction with CS but still always doubted the bizarre scumdoc theory but then she obvtowned it after the worst gladiated Wisdom and she had been right all along about random but no one (including me) was listening.

[AlmostNancy]

Town claiming pgo instantly loses all it's utility, scum will never target it. Scum claiming pgo gives itself a free pass from all night threats. If I was scum and got dealt a pgo safeclaim id be looking to claim it asap.

PGO is a VERY hard role to play. On the one side you want to obv!town in order not to be targeted by a Cop/Tracker.. etc, AND to get Scum to target you.

On the other side, if you do then you risk a Watcher/Doctor/BG being on you.

The BEST play for PGO is to claim early, and the get lynched the day before LyLo.

True, their claiming it D1, looks townie.

[AlmostNancy]

Scummy
Shoshin, a50, irre

A50 is not playing in this game, unless you mean >I< rolled Scum while Nancy rolled Town!

[AlmostNancy]

Shoshin's managed to skirt by with wins because
1. other players in town have been smart enough to make judgment calls on their own and sheep when needed and
2. other players know when to avoid the awful wagons Shoshin proposes sometimes

This is why I was trying to hit the brakes on people just blindly backing Shoshin everywhere and copping out Shoshin townreads because
1. Shoshin who gets what Shoshin wants will lose games--see TAZ.
2. Scum Shoshin is a relative unknown and could easily replicate this townposting.

True, but she’s obvtown here, both by reads and play. I usually read mindmelding on reads with me as townie, and I’ve been agreeing with most of her reads so far.

[AlmostNancy]

i mean she can be obvtown, doesn't mean i think her read accuracy is particularly great or that she should be lolsheeped or anything

Her reads are a helluva a lot better than yours this game.

[AlmostNancy]

i mean she can be obvtown,

doesn't mean i think her read accuracy is particularly great

or that she should be lolsheeped or anything

she does have moments of absolutely intense accuracy tho. also lol at scum!shoshin replicating this posting

@The worst, what do you think of this post by Skitter? I’m not a fan.

[AlmostNancy]

I don't doubt Shoshin's next scumgame will be better than her last one but just because she doesn't rand scum a lot doesn't mean she's a secret scumgod

be reasonable

Oh nm, I see you already commented on it.

[AlmostNancy]

i mean, yeah, that

i dont' think scum!her can replicate this really, so she's town basically

like this game looks exactly like her town game

She’s obvtown but we should ignore her reads, is that it?

[AlmostNancy]

i don't think me saying that she shouldn't be lolsheeped is at all the same thing as saying her reads should be ignored and i dislike that you framed what i said that way

i mean, yeah, that

i dont' think scum!her can replicate this really, so she's town basically

like this game looks exactly like her town game

She’s obvtown but we should ignore her reads, is that it?

yes, please show me where i said we should ignore her reads

i said that i don't think her read accuracy is great and that i don't feel the need to sheep her, not that her reads should be ignored

i mean she can be obvtown,

doesn't mean i think her read accuracy is particularly great

or that she should be lolsheeped or anything

It wasn’t the “lolsheeped” part I took issue with and you’re misrepping my post, if you think that.

[AlmostNancy]

not_mafia, creature} - weakest tier of townreads, least confident in these
{you, keyser} = null/idk

I think this might be town skitter30 just because town skitter30 refuses to ever town read town me

Yeah maybe, I just didn’t like their what they said about Shoshin’s reads, it seemed like a bit of a discredit.

Anyway, Xtoxm has conveniently disappeared, now that no one is jumping on his Shoshin is scum lolread.

I still think he could be scum here. That one post about only scum being “in a position” to evaluate his reads, isn’t sitting well with me.

[AlmostNancy]

It wasn’t the “lolsheeped” part I took issue with and you’re misrepping my post, if you think that.

i mean the last time i played with her she tunneled town!varsoon the entirety of day1 and wanted to mislynch town!me in lylo

she can be obvtown and have bad reads; those aren't mutaully exclusive

She’s obvtown but we should ignore her reads, is that it?

i don't get why you're suggesting i said we should ignore her reads because i never said that (ie thinking she can have bad reads != her reads should be ignored)

I just think her reads are more accurate than most, so while I won’t “lolsheep” her on any, I take them very seriously.

[AlmostNancy]

i mean, yeah, that

i dont' think scum!her can replicate this really, so she's town basically

like this game looks exactly like her town game

She’s obvtown but we should ignore her reads, is that it?

who wrote this - a50 or nancy?

Who do you think?

You can’t even tell our posts apart but we’re supposed to believe you can accurately read A50?

[AlmostNancy]

can you just give me a straight answer please - if i could tell i wouldn't be asking

Sorry, it’s Nancy and I guess I’m a bit salty because I’m no longer sure, if you’re trying to sort us or confibias us. A50 probably would know this, a lot better than me.

[AlmostNancy]

Xtoxm(7) ~ skitter30(41), Shoshin(86), Varsoon(72), AlmostNancy(93), the worst(120), Irrelephant11(57), Performer(25)

i townread shoshin

kinda varsoon

kinda almostnancy but i'm beginning to become paranoid; the nancy head isn't really solving although she's posting *a lot*, and a50 isn't either and that's making me a little nervous

the worst is probably town, as is irrelephant

i don't exactly scumread performer so much as i odn't really see a reason to townread him

i'm a little nervous about the lack of resistance to this and the almostnancy and performer votes

UNVOTE:

for now i think

I challenge you to find a game of mine, where I do anything really useful on D1 and if you do, it’s only because I got lucky or scum was open wolfing. See TPFKAP in Labrynth.

I dont really know how to make this clearer: im ridiculously accurate at reading a50 and ive never played with you, and i therefore want to sort your slot based on his play, not yours

My interest in metadiving you to sort your slot when it contains someone i already know how to read is fairly close to non-existent

See, this isn’t true. You would be obvtowning us if that were the case, so you should be interested is trying to sort me as best you can.

[AlmostNancy]

i thought it was a50 and that's why i took exception to it; i'd have major issues with him saying that because i feel like it misrepped what i said quite a bit

and then you made another post farther down the page and i realized it probably wasn't him, but you, and i think you misread what i tried to say but i don't think you were purposefully misrepping me there

and i said i can't tell your alignment rn

Alright, that’s fair.

[AlmostNancy]

@skitter: I sign my posts "one way or another". If you can't tell who posted, then it's Nancy. Happy now?

[AlmostNancy]

Skitter is having similar feelings to me re:a50, and I take likeminded thinking as a possible town indication.

Millions isn't memorable for me, he's null.

Buddying fail. Skitter isn’t scumreading us, YOU are.

[AlmostNancy]

See, this isn’t true. You would be obvtowning us if that were the case, so you should be interested is trying to sort me as best you can.

i think it's unreasonable of you to expect people to metadive you in games that are 500 pages long, where your indivdiual iso is longer than this entire game (you keep telling me to go look at heroes wanted); the amount of effort/time required is more than i'm willing to put in rn

Fine then, but you’re not “ridiculously accurate” at reading A50, based on what I’ve seen from you in this game, and it would be inaccurate of you to suggest otherwise. If you don’t want to even try to sort me, then maybe you should sheep others who have some meta with me?

[AlmostNancy]

I still don’t know why mitillos was so high in so many people’s reads

You don’t buy their no ninja claim? What scum motivation would they have for claiming that?

[AlmostNancy]

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

That's not this game. WTF?

Are you saying that he lifted this post from somewhere else to discredit you? If so, that is definitely very sketchy indeed.

[AlmostNancy]

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

That's not this game. WTF?

You’re right, I just ISO’d you and couldn’t find this quote anywhere in this game.

[AlmostNancy]

@Nancy/skitter: You two better quit this chicken fight right now, thank you. (It's obviously not a cockfight, so it must be them naughty chickens) << *said in a true southern accent, followed by a tobaco chew and a brown spit*

[AlmostNancy]

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

That's not this game. WTF?

You’re right, I just ISO’d you and couldn’t find this quote anywhere in this game.

And I just found out where he lifted it from:

viewtopic.php?p=10554973#p10554973

[AlmostNancy]

See, this isn’t true. You would be obvtowning us if that were the case, so you should be interested is trying to sort me as best you can.

i think it's unreasonable of you to expect people to metadive you in games that are 500 pages long, where your indivdiual iso is longer than this entire game (you keep telling me to go look at heroes wanted); the amount of effort/time required is more than i'm willing to put in rn

Fine then, but you’re not “ridiculously accurate” at reading A50, based on what I’ve seen from you in this game, and it would be inaccurate of you to suggest otherwise. If you don’t want to even try to sort me, then maybe you should sheep others who have some meta with me?

i've played i think 10 games with him. the three times i didn't read him right were:

1. the game he played on an alt that i didn't know was him until like three months later
2. the first game i played with him almost a year ago now
3. the game i was scum with him

i've been right in every other game, and i've more than once correctly read him off like 5 posts

yes, i'm very accurate at reading him, and the fact that i'm having trouble because you're in a hydra doesn't mean that i'm not, or that i'm misrepresenting how i read him in the past because i'm struggling to read him here

you keep telling me that to sort you i need to check your scumgames and i'm explaining that i'm not interested in putting that effort in rn

I’ve never played with you before, so I have no other reads of yours on our slot to go by, but here.

[AlmostNancy]

@Nancy/skitter: You two better quit this chicken fight right now, thank you. (It's obviously not a cockfight, so it must be them naughty chickens) << *said in a true southern accent, followed by a tobaco chew and a brown spit*

Well, I’d much rather focus on Xtoxm, who just pulled some shady shit by lifting a Shoshin quote from one of the signup threads and trying to make it look like it was a post from this game.

[AlmostNancy]

You can click on the “post 46” to go to the original thread

I will also agree that shoshin’s reads are above average, and she’s sometimes the first to call out a scum! She often makes unreadable players readable, too, in unique ways.

Yes, that’s why I might not automatically sheep her but I’ve learned to take her reads very seriously, because she’s more often than not right. However, I won’t sheep anyone on principle, unless I have absolutely no idea who to vote for.

[AlmostNancy]

Anyway. This got more heated than it needed to.

Thanks for applying some perspective, Irrelaphant.

In light of the comments on shosins play, and her moving elsewhere im happy to UNVOTE: .

It's true that I should be putting more stock in my top town reads all townreading shosin.

Town
Creature, Varsoon
The worst

Nulltown
Nauci, Keyser, spotter

Nulls - everyone else

Nullscum
Mewtaph, NM

Scummy
Shoshin, a50,

irre

There. Now you can mock me after the game for how bad they are.

???

[AlmostNancy]

1. Shoshin who gets what Shoshin wants will lose games--see TAZ.

I was voting scum on the last day phase and never mislynched. If I got what I wanted, town never mislynches Irrelephant, never mislynches Reck, and lynches NSG (who was scum).

I was specifically referring to going with the No Lynch over lynching conf-scum NSG.
But that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, your problem is that you want to ignore everything I've ever done to focus on a single play that I made that didn't actually cause the loss of a game but in your mind did because you're just sort of obsessive about this point as a matter of mafia theory.

I'll admit that no lynching was worse than lynching scum on that day phase, but that doesn't somehow suddenly mean that I caused the loss in that game, nor does it mean that my reads weren't above average in that game compared to the other players in the game (they were undeniably better than yours on D1, when you were alive), nor does it mean that my reads and play in OTHER games was bad (as I admitted in the endgame to TAZ, that was a bad game for me in large part because I just didn't put anywhere close to the effort or thought that I usually do). And again, I was voting scum at the end of the game. Blaming me for that loss isn't fair at all and I take serious issue with it.

Yeah, that and a few other things are my problems.

I don't think you were the sole person responsible for our TEAM losing, though. We all could've put in a better effort.
I'm hoping to put in a better effort here and make this a game I can be proud of.

I get all verkelmpt when I see town working together.

[AlmostNancy]

Xtom's a bullshitter.

Yep, and he all of a sudden, conveniently unvotes you and to add a meaglol to that, he thanks one of his apparently strongest scumreads for providing “perspective”.

[AlmostNancy]

And varsoon has steeped your every vote this game and says you never mislynch. And others have steeped you too

So one of your strongest townreads is the player who sheeps scum's every move and props up scum as worthy of sheeping?

A+

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

That's not this game. WTF?

You’re right, I just ISO’d you and couldn’t find this quote anywhere in this game.

Click the post number to see the origin thread

Side note: quoting that one has to be rather deliberately done and not an oops moment so make of that what you will

She often makes unreadable players readable, too, in unique ways.

I was feeling weird about Shoshin because I thought she hadn't done that as much as I expected (whereas I previously would read her posts in games as frequently causing lots of players to re-evaluate and answer difficult questions) but the interaction with xtoxm is a pretty good example of what we all mean. Shoshin puts the screws to people in ways that make their alignment blatantly clear, even if she's wrong with her initial assessment of their alignment, and even though it frequently gets her scum read by her target. I think this pressure has made xtoxm answer to far more telling questions than a scum xtoxm would have liked. Not sure what to make of the responses yet.

and her moving elsewhere im happy to UNVOTE: .

It's true that I should be putting more stock in my top town reads all townreading shosin.

Hhhhhmmmmmm

This post feels bad to me. Like an after-the-fact forced recalculation of disingenuous positions. Not to mention Irrelephant was in the bottom 3.

VOTE: xtoxm

Yes exactly, when do you ever thank one of your top scumreads for providing you with “perspective”? But the truly sketchy part, was the misrepping of the lifting of that post, to try to make her look scummy here.

[AlmostNancy]

Don't appreciate the effort to shift focus back to Xtoxm after it's sliding to Key, Nauci.
It makes plenty of sense that Xtoxm is townreading me while scumreading Shoshin and the progression to an unvote after both Irrel and I explained how Shoshin can come off as scummy (especially when pointed at yourself) makes sense on his slot. It wasn't too sudden or disingenuous, you can see the wheels turning, imo.

Once again, I ask that you respect my incredibly selfish request to leave Xtoxm off the table for lynching on D1.

Why is Key scummier than Xtoxm?

Don’t you find him making that quote look like it was from this game, sketchy?

[AlmostNancy]

Nancy, Shoshin's helped me gain a ton of perspective in this game and my read on her has 180'd.
Does that make me scum, too?

That really wasn’t my point at all. :/

[AlmostNancy]

I shifted my view of Keyser like 20 pages ago and wanted to scrutinize mewtaph until Keyser returned

But the xtoxm interactions have, to me, revealed a very shaky ground for all of the reads he presented that makes his reads list seem like it was completely bullshitted. He was given space to interact like I promised, and the result is this read. I'm not even close to alone in calling out the inconsistency here, so why focus on me for this switch?

In addition, your change of heart was accompanied by a lot of posts that showed your thinking and followed the advice of many of your town reads as well as direct interactions and your own experience, while xtoxm called out the cue of someone he thought was scum with shoshin...

Yes exactly, so I don’t understand why Varsoon is misconstruing my post. Varsoon’s read change on Shoshin is completely believable, Xtomx’s really isn’t. And his sudden read change, after the suspicious quote lifting was called out, is really suspicious.

And why thank one of your top scumreads for giving you “perspective”? It was a complete sudden 180.

[AlmostNancy]

Ayyy I'm not gonna take any ground until after you've flipped, my guy.
I'm putting my neck in the rope with you if you're scum here.

@Nancy: It doesn't look like it came from this game at all, though.
Anyone can just go in this game and tell, too.
You can click the post link and it'll bring you to where it originated.
I think the context he situated it in fits here.

I don't really think scum would try to pull a fast one about literally lying about the contents of a public game thread.

But read the context of it. He used that quote to specifically shade Shoshin here, Just because he did not outright lie about where that quote originated, doesn’t mean, it wasn’t deliberately quoted here to shade Shoshin.

[AlmostNancy]

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

How am I meant to not scum read shoshin here.

Going into this game all I see I about her are people worshipping her town game, and herself boasting about the perfection of her town game.

And then she death tunnels me.

So given the knowledge of my own alignment.

Do I respect her reputation, therefore indicating she's tunnelling me for a mislynch.

Or disregard her reputation and call her a townbeard.

Please explain how I not scum read shosin here.

@Varsoon, re: the bolded. He did deliberately try to make it sound like Shoshin actually posted that quote here.

[AlmostNancy]

And ftr as this hydra keeps slandering me. I did NOT do that.

The bolded says otherwise. How else did you expect that post to be read?

[AlmostNancy]

Also, he lifted that quote AFTER not before he accused you of boasting

in THIS game

.

#106 was the accusation and #119, was the post, apparently backing it up.

[AlmostNancy]

And ftr as this hydra keeps slandering me. I did NOT do that.

The bolded says otherwise. How else did you expect that post to be read?

I expected people to click on the link I included, but I guess it was hard for some people.

Sure you did. Why would anyone think you had lifted a quote from another thread, without you specifically referencing it?

[AlmostNancy]

{tw}
{shoshin, rel}
{Creature, Xtoxm, Mitillos}
{Varsoon, skitter30}
{Not_Mafia, Performer, Nauci}
{AlmostNancy, Mewtaph}
{Sausage-slot}

Nauci might belong one tier higher and I want a better feeling there before EoD.

Dafuq? How the fuck are we ever a scumlean here? And Nauci also should be a lot higher. Maybe, I should reassess my townread on you. I don’t believe your read on me can seriously be this off.

[AlmostNancy]

Because there's a paucity of townposts accompanying the memeposts. And i didnt call you scum for it, but rather said i wasnt townreading you for it, which is not at all the same thing

This is probably me atm. looking at both A50's and Nancy's reactions to being scumread

I actually think they both vibe town

but I also don't think I'm going to get this read right and confident on day one this time

What happened to this?

[AlmostNancy]

Because there's a paucity of townposts accompanying the memeposts. And i didnt call you scum for it, but rather said i wasnt townreading you for it, which is not at all the same thing

This is probably me atm. looking at both A50's and Nancy's reactions to being scumread

I actually think they both vibe town

but I also don't think I'm going to get this read right and confident on day one this time

What happened to this?

Should I remind you that you were convinced that A50 was lockscum in CoH?

[AlmostNancy]

I'm really not getting a feeling about why my read on you should be higher...? I concede you're not a good lynch today and I'm probably unlikely to have you guys at high confidence for a while but why should I be townreading you fypov?

also, Nauci is there because raisins and like I said I intend to have her sorted with more confidence before we get closer to EoD. Why is that the read you feel the need to criticise?

I want you to explain how we’re a scumlean? Oh probably because you ignored everything I said to you yesterday. Nothing else makes any damn bit of sense.

Okay, then. I won’t be wasting my time answering any more of your questions, since you obviously ignored them.

[AlmostNancy]

Nancy attacking my ability to read your slot when I continuously talk about how much trouble I'm having reading your slot isn't helping me with reading your slot

you guys are low in my list because of a pretty large lack of reasons to townread either of you. I don't want you lynched today and I think I can read you better later but I don't townread you guys here yet. I've learned my lesson with getting lazy and giving you a half assed townread when there isn't enough AI content

None of this explains why you have us at a scumlean? I am really tired of paying for being good at Heroes. I got mislynched on MU 3 times back to back, after winning my first scumgame ever. I know I’m being illogical but it still sucks. :/

[AlmostNancy]

Okay comparing back through our history

1) I thought you were scum early d1 in the necromancer game because you didn't do much. you got wagoned, townspewed really hard and then had this wild Town Presence which was bloody awesome.

2) Labyrinth, you were a lot quieter d1 (low postcount, bit of content when you did post) but were still pretty towny iirc.

3) Heroes Wanted, I pretty much townread you via high postcount, the way you engaged with the towncore and the fact every time I saw you ITT you seemed to be involved in the same conversations as everyone else who was obvtown. I think I read like less than 50% of your ISO that game, and I'm actually not interested in revisiting it. It's too long and I don't care and like 80% of that game was a boring circlejerk

4) here neither of you are giving off towny energy. you're not townspewing and sorting hard like necromancer (there was a tiny glimmer of some of it earlier when you were wagoned imo but it's completely fizzled and I feel like you're bored again). I don't get the feeling you're sorting the way I did in Labyrinth. if anything you feel closest to HW where your postcount is through the roof but I don't have a strong feeling of what you're about this game. obviously I didn't in HW either but I also skipped massive chunks of that game.

Alright, I still think you’re town - town who fucking ignored every damn thing I said to you. It’s fine but don’t ask me anymore questions if you are just going to ignore all of my answers.

[AlmostNancy]

Also engaging with me on my read of your slot is pretty unlikely to make me townread you more.. but like I hope that this helps explain where my mind is at, especially if it's been distracting you from engaging with my other content

is there anything else you wanna talk about? it's 12.30am here btw and I'll probably crash out soon

Spoiler:

RANT

Why? Are you going to actually pay attention to anything I say here about anything? I understand that you didn’t read half that game but you’re really not thinking here. I’m sorry if that offends you but you’re not. I didn’t try to give reads. I didn’t do anything but coast in that game. How can you seriously not see the difference? *headbang*

END of RANT

No, have a nice trip.

[AlmostNancy]

Sorry, I don't feel like I've been ignoring you. If anything some stuff might not have sunk in all that well (it's been harder than usual focusing on mafia the last couple of days), but I definitely don't feel like I've been straight-up ignorant.

I just feel like why did I waste my time answering any of your questions because it doesn’t sound to me, like anything I said got through to you at all. So, I just don’t see the point in doing that anymore. How do you disregard all of my answers and why did you even bother to ask me, if you weren’t going to listen to a single response? Because that’s exactly like it feels to me. Hey Nancy, care to the best of your ability, answer some important questions for me, that I have every intention of disregarding? Cool, sure.

[AlmostNancy]

Sorry TW, I really do hope you have an awesome trip. I really need to control my frustration better.

[AlmostNancy]

Okay so I can share now that I am somewhat scumreading AlmostNancy

Cool and if we ever play together again, I’ll boycott you townlocking me. Deal?

[AlmostNancy]

I think that was the reason I didn't feel like playing this game

Nah, I think he's town. Who do you want to wagon? I might join you.

Creature probably is.

[AlmostNancy]

Dethy isn't real mafia and we don't talk about that
I'm STILL not a sore loser :'<

Only thing with scum!A50 spending his entire time memeing and talking about hydra dynamics is like.. have you seen his scumgame yet?

It’s not here but we already know, you won’t believe anything I say on “principle”. Amirite?

[AlmostNancy]

I think I'm gonna omit Keys from this readlist bc I feel like his alignment is gonna get really obvious pretty soon

Why?

Oh but ours won’t? Since when?

[AlmostNancy]

she does have moments of absolutely intense accuracy tho. also lol at scum!shoshin replicating this posting

Fun fact, I do as well. I’m sure we’re both in agreement that it would be a really huge mistake for scum to underestimate me in this game. A BIG mistake.

Thank freaking God, we’re both town here.

[AlmostNancy]

He flows through the motions pretty smoothly and sometimes just suddenly POWERWOLFS really hard, it's not what I've come to expect from him. but also I don't think he can get away with that kinda thing with this kind of list so I'm not really sure if it's AI.

I think I want them sorted more than I'm admitting.. I hate PoEscumreading players I like so much

"derby"<3 I get that too, from Dethy and also when I refer to derpy hooves (the latter is a slightly funny mental image)

I think my heart is so full from reading this sad touching post, that it practically broke into a bazillion pieces.

Spoiler:

[AlmostNancy]

Okay so I can share now that I am somewhat scumreading AlmostNancy

Cool and if we ever play together again, I’ll boycott you townlocking me. Deal?

I don’t townread how important my read of you is to you, and my feeling (admittedly w/o double checking) is that most of your posts this game have been about your own alignment. Townblocking you made sense when Skitter townread A50. It doesn’t anymore. Sorry if that bothers you!

If you want my townblock townread again, get A50 to get townread by Skitter again

I’m not trying to get you to townblock us, I just don’t want to be townlocked by you or anyone again, in any future games, it’s a lot easier on me that way. Anyway, pretty sure Shoshin is right about you being town here. I wish there was some variation of the PGO role that only killed scum. That would be awesome.

[AlmostNancy]

I kinda forgot about the probability of dealing with third parties.. : /

if Xtoxm charges into the thread halfway through his scumbuddy's 1v1 with the town leader and randomly votes with his scumbuddy in the face of sensibility I'll be pretty impressed. they've had a few little passes which I don't think comes from s/s

Also if Varsoon did his Shoshin 180 without daychat I'm gonna be in awe. I'm not discounting it from being scum!him but I don't get the feeling it's the kind of thing that's done spontaneously if you catch my drift

?

So like possible but I'd say v v low equity atm

Fascinating, so you think Varsoon is somehow incapable of thinking for himself now? You think he was coached?

[AlmostNancy]

I don't like that post, AlmostNancy.
'cus while I can think for myself
It's all dumb thoughts.

I’m seriously half wondering how much of that post was serious and how much was trolling. The worst is being unusually trolly this game, I think.

[AlmostNancy]

Eh, I feel outright ridiculed by your slot now A50/Nancy. I'm going to keep reading you but more or less ignore you and focus on other slots unless I see something I wanna talk about. I like you both a lot and I think I feel some kind of pride in reading you both correctly, and being shut down and told I'm ignoring you and then ridiculed over it is just exhausting.

We can talk on day two if we're both here, I don't have any interest in responding to any of your last few posts @ me tbh

I really like you a lot too, you know I do. <3

However, I don’t honestly feel you were listening to anything I said yesterday in response to your questions. So, I feel hurt over not being listened to by you.

[AlmostNancy]

I guess it makes sense from a technical POV if they're s/s but that doesn't feel like creature's style either

If there is scum between Xtoxm and Creature, I seriously doubt it’s Creature. I just finished a game with him. Creature never fakes this sort of thing.

Shit!

Sorry mod.

[AlmostNancy]

I'm not having an easy time reading Mewtaph so far (but he's just put of catchup mode so maybe that's normal idk)

There's a keyser shaped hole in my soul....... I don't really want to lynch there d1 tbh

Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes

I'm not having an easy time reading Mewtaph so far (but he's just put of catchup mode so maybe that's normal idk)

There's a keyser shaped hole in my soul....... I don't really want to lynch there d1 tbh

Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes

We’re good but you’re concern is noted.

[AlmostNancy]

Whoops, how did that happen?

[AlmostNancy]

OK, going to step down from my Relly-Nauci aligned theory... [the new un-aligned feels more to do with Nauci's deep adoration posts about Relly (which is more likely pocketing or NAI than scum talking about their

partner

).]

Plus, I will accept Nauci's unwillingness to force out a read on Relly early D1 (

"I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being"

) points to tentative-townie who doesn't want to jump into a read so easily with Relly.... due to their experience with him also.

So the aligned-team theory was probably all Relly's side of interactions... so I'm gonna drop that dead case now and look at them individually.

Do you really think if Nauci was scum, she wouldn’t be voting for you? But I feel pretty good about her being town here. I can’t recall anything that has pinged me about her posts, so I think you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: Kokichi

Fortunately, Kokichi is someone I have meta with. I hope I can read him here. I’ll have a much better idea once he makes a few posts.

[AlmostNancy]

Creature, this applies to you too. Too close to deadline to be making fun of existing wagons or joking about being wagoned or self voting. Who are you scum reading?

Also

Scum on this site self votes a lot

? i'm pretty sure scum!creature doesn't tho

I doubt it was a serious vote.

Are people bettlejuicing Kokichi?

[AlmostNancy]

Do you really think if Nauci was scum, she wouldn’t be voting for you?

It'd probably be better for scum-Nauci to t/read me IMO. I'm not sure that's the right question to ask me here though about my suspicion of Nauci. Weird.

Why is it “weird”? You were the lead wagon?

[AlmostNancy]

So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.

I don’t know about the self-voting. I don’t recall him doing that as either alignment in the games I’ve played with him, anyway. Confidence is more often than not a town tell for Creature and the converse, the lack there of. Scum!Creature finds it difficult to replicate his town thought process. Obviously I could be wrong here but I really don’t think so.

[AlmostNancy]

Do you really think if Nauci was scum, she wouldn’t be voting for you?

It'd probably be better for scum-Nauci to t/read me IMO. I'm not sure that's the right question to ask me here though about my suspicion of Nauci. Weird.

Why is it “weird”? You were the lead wagon?

I think scum-Nauci to OMGUS me and build a one vs one going into EOD1 would be risky. She knows how relentless I am. It would ultimately end in a reflex wagon/nightphase drama.

Do you think scum-Nauci in this scenario wanted me out the picture ASAP?

I have no meta with them but I’m thinking you might be town here, because of this post. Like I said, I feel pretty good about her being town here. I catch scum by gauging for pings, illogical reads. or actions that don’t line up and nothing in her ISO fits any of those categories.

[AlmostNancy]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

I agree. I intend to keep a very close eye on whomever is the counterwagon to Xtoxm.

[AlmostNancy]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

I agree. I intend to keep a very close eye on whomever is the counterwagon to Xtoxm.

P.efit. Whomever is on the counterwagon, I mean.

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

There certain players you just don't try to explain the weird shit they do, lest you end up in a mental health asylum, and Creature's one of them (as is your humble servant typing this post whose name is definitely NOT Nancy)

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

I don’t know. I’m basing my Creature read on meta but few people hate rolling scum more than Creature and you specifically mentioned “confidence”, which I view as more likely to be a towntell for him than a scumtell.

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

There certain players you just don't try to explain the weird shit they do, lest you end up in a mental health asylum, and Creature's one of them (as is your humble servant typing this post whose name is definitely [bNOT Nancy[/b])

OMIGOZ, now Nauci let MathBlade into our hydra account. Will this madness never cease?

[AlmostNancy]

Thanks Almost Nancy.

[AlmostNancy]

@Nancy: I has sads

[AlmostNancy]

I love starcraft..anyone wanna tell me anything I should know?

If you're Town you're on my team, and if you're scum you're going to lose this game.

~ object of skitter's paranoia

[AlmostNancy]

I love starcraft..anyone wanna tell me anything I should know?

Your lack of disappointment (about alignment, among other things) feels very telling at this moment...

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Hi just checked Role PM and I'm sad. Wish I was scum with this player list

Kokichi was scum in that game.

[AlmostNancy]

I'm never lynching Nauci, so unless you think I'm that wrong about a townread (which has literally never been the case), don't lynch her.

I’m pretty much mindmelding with you on your Nauci townread.

[AlmostNancy]

Well, there's a guilty on you.
That's why your predecessor replaced out.

What do you have to say?

How is there a guilty on anyone on D1?

[AlmostNancy]

So you'd always go to your scum PT before posting in the game PT?

Interesting...

I did that the entire time I was in Heroes. Why is that “interesting”?

[AlmostNancy]

Are you the King of Wifom, my guy?
Really
Seriously
That's not something
guy
come one
that's not something to brag on
my dude

@Nancy: Sicknasty informed roles and day powers.

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I fake claim all the time

Kokichi was town in this game.

[AlmostNancy]

Average reading speed is 200 wpm.
You haven't posted at all on-site between the replace-in filling and you posting here, so I'm to assume you took the 1 hour and 46 minutes to read the scum PT and formulate a response.

That puts us at 20800 words
The average post in a scum PT is about 27 words,
so 770 posts
25 posts per page
30 pages?

IF that's the case and you flip scum then I know your scum buddies are very vocal scum threaders, so...

Real talk though thoughts on the game?
Have you read any at all?

This is one of the most absurd ways of scumhunting I've ever seen.

It’s especially NAI when it comes to Kokichi. He has often said things as town, like can I hammer my townread now or things like that. You can never alignment read him on things like that.

[AlmostNancy]

I'm never lynching Nauci, so unless you think I'm that wrong about a townread (which has literally never been the case), don't lynch her.

I’m pretty much mindmelding with you on your Nauci townread.

Good. Keep her alive when I die.

I’ll do what I can to fight off any attempts to lynch her.

[AlmostNancy]

It's mostly a joke but real talk I am curious what the delay between being announced as a replace-in is for Kokichi when their first post wasn't catchup and they admit to a philosophy that ideal play is to catchup in Scum PT first.

It’s clearly “ideal play” IF you’re actually scum and that isn’t what he said.

Well I looked at my role already.

Even if I was scum, I'd get the info from my scum team first

. So those reaction tests never work

[AlmostNancy]

Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?

Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?

They didn’t do anything particularly townie, no but ever since I almost mislynched Lovebird, I’m leery of quicklynching lhf.

[AlmostNancy]

If any of my top townreads (Irrelpehant, the worst, or Nauci) strongly townread any of the playeres in my poe (Kokichi, Xtom, Performer, Key, Not_Mafia, Mew, Skitter, Mitillos), then I'd remove them from the poe. I think if we work collectively, we should be able to narrow this down for a very high probability lynch.

Never lynch Xtoxm or skitter today, imo. Unless I'm being really stupid I think both of them are fairly likely town and on a towntelling trajectory.

Xtoxm's opening was pretty weak but I think it checks out as disengaged town a fair way before scum. If you have more solid meta on him feel free to swing in here, and I definitely don't intend to let him have an easy time. But at the same time I can't see myself supporting this d1.

I think the way skitter popped in earlier today is pretty town indicative (and she's done a few things earlier in this phase which have already made me stop and wonder whether she's outside of her scumrange). She's Bloody Good Scum so this is another one I'm being careful as hell with but lynching skitter d1 should be illegal

Agree

on Skitter

, I don’t see the kind of genuine frustration she has with correctly reading A50, ever comes from scum.

[AlmostNancy]

Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?

Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?

You betcha.
He tried to pocket me, then ignored me trying to reach out to him.

Very bad things indeed. :/

the worst is town this game
what a relief

Is this is what kids are calling a “pocket” these days?

I guess most of the playerlist must be scum in that case.

[AlmostNancy]

Still reading back:

VOTE: Xtoxm

Strikes me a possibly disgruntled scum, like Shoshin said, pissed at the townblock.

Interesting... Varsoon and I were frustrated/annoyed with the quick erection of the townblock too, what did you think about OUR reactions?

I thought yours was townie. Xtoxm’s OTOH, didn’t really make alot of sense to me but the tipping point for me, was when he shetchily lifted that Shoshin quote from a signup thread and attempted to shade her with it. His ISO consists mostly of bullshit rationalizations and very little actual solving.

[AlmostNancy]

Please never link me to an RC game again.
That dude's play is so insufferable that it's hard enough to deal with when I'm in a game I signed up for.
If there's a point you'd wanna get across by linking one of those games, just save me the headache and tell me what I'm supposed to get from it and I'll take you at face value.

I’m aware you’re not a fan but I have to link the game, to show where I got the particular quote from, so people can verify what I was saying about Kokichi’s alignment in those games was the truth.

[AlmostNancy]

Not_Mafia feels town to me. I'd rather lynch Performer.

I think lynching anyone on the Xtoxm wagon is probably a mislynch. If he flips green, I’d be more than willing to reacess Performer but not before that.

[AlmostNancy]

I can give you a couple reasons NM's town. His opening post isn't how I expect him to enter the game as scum. He didn't quickhammer when given the opportunity, which is very towny for him unless Xtom's his partner. And he just felt much less awkwardly self-conscious than when he's scum.

I’ve never played with scum!NM but I’ve read nothing so far in his ISO, that strikes me as in anyway scummy.

[AlmostNancy]

Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?

Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?

You betcha.
He tried to pocket me, then ignored me trying to reach out to him.

Very bad things indeed. :/

the worst is town this game
what a relief

Is this is what kids are calling a “pocket” these days?

I guess most of the playerlist must be scum in that case.

can't help the cheekiness

Nope, it’s as natural as breathing to me - maybe even moreso.

[AlmostNancy]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Kokichi Oma replaces Saudade

Votecount 1.17

Keyser Söze(4)

~ Shoshin(138), Varsoon(114), Irrelephant11(105), Not_Mafia(9)

Xtoxm(3)

~ Performer(48), AlmostNancy(263), Nauci(113)

Performer(1)

~ Mitillos(36)

Mewtaph(1)

~ skitter30(102)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ the worst(199)

Creature(1)

~ Creature(107)


Not Voting (4): Keyser Söze(54), Xtoxm(55), Mewtaph(6), Kokichi Oma(19)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:15:17)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

@Creature, when are you planning to unvote yourself?

[AlmostNancy]

like i guess what's bothering me is that these feel like very general scumtells that don't really feel to me like they apply to these specific situations

Which is precisely why I said I wasn't seeing scum worst at all, just generic scum signs (which is why I still town read him)

ok, it's possible i misread that

when i initially read it it felt like you were saying that you were townreading him, but you still thought he was behaving in a generally scummy fashion, which is why it bothered me

==

Agree on Skitter , I don’t see the kind of genuine frustration she has with correctly reading A50, ever comes from scum.

uh like on Friday you were telling me that my indecision/frustration was scummy/not genuine

==

But NM has barely post at all and while he's not frequently quiet, an afk NM has equated to a scum NM allowing town to destroy each other in the past

his posts, when he made them, felt kinda good. but he isn't really around and this is never a read i'm confident on; so like slight townlean all around and like i don't want to settle for him day1, but i always want him resolved before lylo

==

He didn't quickhammer when given the opportunity, which is very towny for him unless Xtom's his partner. And he just felt much less awkwardly self-conscious than when he's scum.

i don't think he noticed that there was a quickhammer oppurtunity, and thus, i don't think it's ai for him not to have done so

==

Re:pocketing like mayyybe Nauci goes into this game trying really hard to pocket me? But at the same time I think scum!Nauci wants me dead, and given my claim she’d need me lynched eventually, and defending me accurately when she could just *not* seems unnecessary here

i kinda like this point actually; this is a good way of looking at her

Well, A50 hardtown reads you and after discussing it with him some more, I was able to see his point.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

[AlmostNancy]

Sup y'all

Stacked roster ♪┏(°.°)┛┗(°.°)┓┗(°.°)┛┏(°.°)┓ ♪

Since I'm still recovering from pollution induced bronchitis and general burn out, don't expect me to be at my 110% wall posting mode for a bit

I'll aim for like 40% capacity and if town is lucky I'll get all the way up to half assed

But I do intend to come out of this with a 12-1 town record...

Okay so I actually remember not townreading this entrance, and I still don’t love it (“expect less from me”). The ironic thing though is I don’t feel like I’m getting less from a Nauci than usual, and I agree with her recent self-analysis that she’s getting a similar amount of scumhunting done with fewer walls.

Now that everybody but NM has joined us

VOTE: varsoon

39 this is the closest I've seen TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.

we can sniff out scum together buddeh

90 I'm also fairly confident in my ability to read irrelephant and while it's too early to go into details, I disagree with your assessment in this post. However, thank you for 104 because I need to go read up on that scumrelephant game.

106 I have very WIFOM thoughts about this post and the use of "same team" instead of "both town." I would think scum faking this banter would take care to say "town" instead of "same team"? But then again, if this was a casual thought typed directly into the box without too much thought for manipulation, it felt quite scummy.

I'm voting Varsoon for now because that entrance left a lot to be desired.

I think the tw & varsoon reads made sense here, the willingness to give reads with reasons here is towny, and the comments about me are usual for town!Nauci. This is the start of buddying-me-by-way-of-complimenting-my-scum-game, though, if Keyser is right about her play, so we’ll track that too

I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha

Makes perfect sense for Nauci given WW and is towny for her here (and I no longer think they’re partners)

Thoughts otherwise:
Nauci keeps using their vote as pressure on players that aren't here rather than sticking to a wagon and dealing with the possible interactions that come from it. I don't like this.
Mitilos and Skitter are parsing out their thoughts plenty and I like that, though I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.
The Worst truly is The Worst but at the very least their play IS consistent and reminds me of their town play, so I don't feel horrible about their slot.

What's up you cool babies?

Confirming that I'm doing this

But also that I always do this

You know how often day 1 lurkers turn out to be scum while the whole town is busy FOSing each other?

The last question here is totally consistent with town!Nauci, who keeps attention and pressure on lurkers because she thinks it’s important

Varsoon, why do you treat early, 2-3 votewagons as if they must be accurate reads, or require extensive justification, or are in danger of leading to your lynch?

The fact that you're already talking about how you'd flip from having 2 page <10 votes on you gives me bad vibes, but maybe we just have wildly different early game philosophy. What's yours?

I pulled this post to say I liked the “stop getting stuck in these two options” thing she’s doing
I also think the “what’s yours” is sort of tonally off for the post, like it’s too easy & lighthearted? I would s/s read this if either ever flips scum, but till then, I think it’s just Nauci sort of changing the subject/helping varsoon open up

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

This is the least original post in the game

Varsoon are you going to call out this plagiarism

My naughty list is currently xtoxm, performer, and possibly Keyser but that's just for having been relatively quiet for keyser

This is audacious for scum!Nauci

Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...

I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being

Town!Nauci always does this so it would be scummy if she didn’t
It might be something she feels the need to do as scum to keep up our meta but it’s NAI if so

the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.
:/

good thing I wrote other posts huh

I love this new sassy Irrelephant, regardless of alignment

Re:pocketing this is a nice thing to say, but Nauci compliments my personality and play as town (while also being afraid of my scumgame) so it’s not really enough for pocketing imo

Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just be

lying

.

Interesting you’d say “lying” as opposed to just wrong.

So, lemme get this straight. According to you, everyone who has claimed to have a strong read - either town or scum - is more likely to be straight-up lying than wrong.

Wow, this must be like the most scum sided game in the history of Mafia then.

Nice catch

I didn’t really think this was a nice catch? But I think I maybe believe Nauci thinks this is a nice catch
Especially given its consistent with a previous scumreading xtoxm

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read you

Hey maybe don't be a prat like this.

Hey maybe I don't respond to condescension with acquiescence

This is Nauci being Nauci, allow me to introduce you to Nauci
NAI but great

xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

Why are you so sure xtoxm is a mislynch? Is this based on meta?

I read this as Irrelephant's plea to xtoxm speaking from xtoxm's POV presuming that he's town and I'm "lying"

It's a very in character device for townrelephant and I'll have to read his more recent scum game(s) to determine if scumrelephant does it too

Re:pocketing like mayyybe Nauci goes into this game trying really hard to pocket me? But at the same time I think scum!Nauci wants me dead, and given my claim she’d need me lynched eventually, and defending me accurately when she could just *not* seems unnecessary here

Good point, I must @mit

But yeah, performer's posts all ping me

Like the "fixed" post where he wants to point out that people also wanted to policy him (? I don't know if that happened and no one else noticed or talked about it?). It's just hyper aware of what others have said about him when the rest of the posts make it clear that we weren't putting any weight into those posts. To me, this comes across as the actions of a guilty conscience/perspective at a much stronger degree than anything else I could consider alignment indicative this game, without tons of further research into various players' metas.

Also, while I haven't processed it into detailed explanation yet, I think of townrelephant as more like a bloodhound than an elephant. He checks under every rock and chases every possible lead and is never hesitant to get on wagons to pressure players in the interest of sortable content or chasing up a hunch. He's like the entire Mystery Van crew by himself, and exudes the town confidence of not feeling like he owes explanations of his actions until after his play is done.

P.S. I'm not sorry for the awful pun

This is the only post I’d think is maybe meant to pocket me

Oh I actually misread the performer "fixed" post (I thought he was saying there was a PL proposed on him instead of that he also denied a PL on varsoon)

It softens my stance a little but now I am more perplexed by the post than ever

Eh, makes sense

I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant

He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality

So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?

No. As I always say, his scum range is huge and he's good at it.

I'm just saying that all of those behaviors are within his town range.

Which his scum range largely encompasses.

Irrelephant requires far more observation to sort than that.

Nauci just does this with me D1, doesn’t feel like pocketing, we’re friends and she’s paranoid about my scumgame, etc etc

@Varsoon

My experience with Shoshin is that she is always rather aggressive and asks very, very good questions of people which really press them to explain their line of thinking in a sortable way. She's like a math teacher constantly demanding every student show their work so even if they're wrong we can see how they got there or if they're right we know they weren't cheating off of someone else's post. I frequently disagree with her conclusions but her method has proven very valuable but also frequently lynchbaity because there's a stubbornness and frequent empty voting employed. You don't have to follow her conclusions but you should investigate her meta to see that this is in line with her town game.

This post was going to get posted by *someone* given multiple players’ experience playing with shoshin but that doesn’t mean Nauci should get townread for being the one to do so

Ducky you're one of the most fun players on the site

You're excellent at combatting cynicism and fatigue and an expert at defusing tense situations by just being you

Hmm if scum, Nauci is here to pocket every player she thinks she can in some very large pockets
I think it might just be more likely that Nauci is really enjoying herself playing with friends who are good teammates as town

Hey that's not a theory

Tricksy keyser

I townread the tone of this

Is NM alive it's been 2 days

I miss that quirky miltank

Towny timing to be paranoid about NM



tl;dr Nauci could be scum but if so she’s doing it really well, playing very boldly with a direct intention to pocket, feeling very comfortable (which would be new for her scumgame), and I just think occam’s razor says Nauci is town having fun and chasing leads

I just want to say I'm not gonna read all this. Please keep your posts shorter.

~Shrek the ogre

[AlmostNancy]

Well, A50 hardtown reads you and after discussing it with him some more, I was able to see his point.

NANCEEEEE! Why did you give my hand away???!!!!!

[AlmostNancy]

Well, A50 hardtown reads you and after discussing it with him some more, I was able to see his point.

NANCEEEEE! Why did you give my hand away???!!!!!

Well, A50 hardtown reads you and after discussing it with him some more, I was able to see his point.

NANCEEEEE! Why did you give my hand away???!!!!!

???

PS. this really isn’t a hydra of A50 and Nancy Drew but of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

Spoiler:

Someone, hold me.

[AlmostNancy]

Xtoxm has been recently active on site but chose not to post here.
VOTE: Xtoxm

VOTE: Mewtaph

???

Why the naked vote on Mewtaph?

[AlmostNancy]

Xtoxm has been recently active on site but chose not to post here.
VOTE: Xtoxm

VOTE: Mewtaph

???

Why the naked vote on Mewtaph?

He's comfortably in my PoE I just think I'm slightly triggered by people who don't enjoy playing mafia/aren't good at it using generally sweeping meta bullshit as reasons to think people are scum.

Don't think Mewtaph fits in this category and I have a good impression of his towngame so he's probably just a wolf for it

I personally disagree with ellitells but I don’t find it scummy however. Scummy to me, is more like what scum!Thor did to town!Gamma in You’ve Got Mail. Thor basically came up with some bullshit AI non-existent meta wrt to Gamma’s posting style. Remember A50 used the ellitell in CoH. It was wrong in that case but it didn’t come from scum.

[AlmostNancy]

ellitell

A wot

There’s this theory - sometimes valid, sometimes not - that if a poster is posting in other games but avoiding a specific one, they may be scum in that game.

[AlmostNancy]

Tell me why he's scum without referring to out of thread activity.

I'm having issues you've posted broad circular reads which are pretty much what's ITT and haven't been able to reach any interesting takes and your first vote is on Xtoxm for an ellitell?

as far as I can tell your only scumread is on Xtoxm for out of game reasons? you read frozen af and pushing on angleshooting isn't making you look any townier.

Did you forget where I mentioned that A50 did the exact same thing in CofH? You can object to his reasoning but I don’t see how it makes him scum here?

[AlmostNancy]

Also, @the worst, why do you call Varsoon, “Harpoon” and why in your opinion is Varsoon less townie than Xtoxm?because I really don’t see that at all.

[AlmostNancy]

Tell me why he's scum without referring to out of thread activity.

I'm having issues you've posted broad circular reads which are pretty much what's ITT and haven't been able to reach any interesting takes and your first vote is on Xtoxm for an ellitell?

as far as I can tell your only scumread is on Xtoxm for out of game reasons? you read frozen af and pushing on angleshooting isn't making you look any townier.

Did you forget where I mentioned that A50 did the exact same thing in CofH? You can object to his reasoning but I don’t see how it makes him scum here?

using the ellitell in general doesn't make someone lockscum. I scumread a50 for different reasons in CoH. if Mewt was pushing anything except the Ellitell and generic reads maybe I wouldn't think who was a wolf.

Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?

[AlmostNancy]

Xtoxm's posts are completely devoid of any kind of scum hunting so far. Throwing shade towards Shoshin and "throwing around town reads" doesn't count. His lack of voting and pandering to those that town read him also signals to me he is trying to see if his shade catches on, before leaving the thread and letting misdirected townies do his dirty work of steering the lynch away from him.

Quote things from his recent ISO that makes you feel this way. I think there's been evidence of reevaluation of his read on Shoshin and I think most of his posting besides the early stuff has been good.

Onus is on you to prove he's a good lynch (and have an actual read, not broad sweeping and disputable statements)

Yeah, and that “re-evaluation” came right after he got called out on trying to shade her by lifting her quote from the signup thread and making it seem like it was taken from THIS game.

[AlmostNancy]

Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?

No?
Ergo using the ellitell makes someone locktown?

what are you getting at? I don't think Mewtaph is town anyway, his tacky way of coasting has just pissed me off tonight to boot. If he is town it's up to him to start fucking playing the game so we can read him correctly, his contributions have been shit.

But why don’t you debunk his arguments then? You haven’t addressed them yet.

[AlmostNancy]

How have I not played the game?

I don’t know what the worst is getting at here. He says he’s drunk rn, so hopefully he will clarify it once he sobers up.

[AlmostNancy]

Yeah, and that “re-evaluation” came right after he got called out on trying to shade her by lifting her quote from the signup thread and making it seem like it was taken from THIS game.

What does this have to do with Xtoxm's alignment? As I remember this was part of the ridiculous shitfight about the integrity of Shoshin's game?

How have I not played the game?

Quote things from his recent ISO that makes you feel this way. I think there's been evidence of reevaluation of his read on Shoshin and I think most of his posting besides the early stuff has been good.

Onus is on you to prove he's a good lynch (and have an actual read, not broad sweeping and disputable statements)

Because it was freaking shady to lift a quote outside of the game and use it to shade her IN THIS GAME by making it look, like that quote was taken FROM THIS GAME!

[AlmostNancy]

Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?

No?
Ergo using the ellitell makes someone locktown?

what are you getting at? I don't think Mewtaph is town anyway, his tacky way of coasting has just pissed me off tonight to boot. If he is town it's up to him to start fucking playing the game so we can read him correctly, his contributions have been shit.

But why don’t you debunk his arguments then? You haven’t addressed them yet.

What am I meant to debunk? He hasn't said anything that consistutes an interesting take or anything that's worth debunking I don't think? His first stance that's interested me is his vote on Xtoxm so I've asked him to explain it and said I think it comes from a wolf so he's ridiculing me

Where is he “ridiculing” you?

[AlmostNancy]

Do you really think he’s a wolf because why? What about his reaction, seems “wolfy” to you? His most recent posts seem pretty genuine to me?

[AlmostNancy]

if anything he did was shady it was suggesting Shoshin was scum via bop for scumreading him earlier in the game and I don't feel like people have even talked about that

the path you're chasing him down is not a path that leads to flipping scum dude

To me, making a quote from a different thread appear like it was taken from this game is really sketchy. I have no idea what he is going to flip but it’s one of the sketchiest things I’ve seen anyone in the game do so far. And you can mischariterize my read all you like but it pinged tf out of me.

[AlmostNancy]

I don't really get why you're making this more hectic than it needs to though? He's been posting elsewhere on site but has opted not to post here. Maybe this is the wrong way to "kick" him into doing something considering the tone of his slot, but he hasn't done enough for me not to put my vote there.

How have I not played the game?

This is always ridiculing. I think I was really transparent about what I wanted from Mewtaph, but he ignores me and refers to a version of Xtoxm which existed hundreds of posts ago in a different gamestate

because he's trying to sort Xtoxm and paying attention to his recent posts? maybe. that's what I want him to show me.

because he thought Xtoxm was mislynchable so decided to push it? maybe. that's what I want to see.

Since when, does disagreeing constitute “ridiculing”? Dafuq?

[AlmostNancy]

If you call anyone a “wolf”, they have every right to push back and yes, that would include Xtoxm or anyone else. That is NOT ridiculing!

[AlmostNancy]

Sorry. I've been busy and I'm highly strung. I think you're awesome but this is part of why I'm not having an easy time working out your alignment. Your direction feels all over the place, like a lot of this stuff you're asking is never alignment indicative and accomplishes virtually nothing. and A50 isn't doing all that much so far.

it's just frustrating


pedit:

if anything he did was shady it was suggesting Shoshin was scum via bop for scumreading him earlier in the game and I don't feel like people have even talked about that

the path you're chasing him down is not a path that leads to flipping scum dude

To me, making a quote from a different thread appear like it was taken from this game is really sketchy. I have no idea what he is going to flip but it’s one of the sketchiest things I’ve seen anyone in the game do so far. And you can mischariterize my read all you like but it pinged tf out of me.

he didn't imply it was from this thread tho? and like why would he even do that as scum to try and win a pissing contest?

Ah, is this back to shading me, for pointing out fucking common sense?

[AlmostNancy]

P.edit I think you’re awesome too. I looked at your Wiki page and read the amazing thing you did for all of those ducks. Me=hella impressed by that. You’re definitely an awesome person.

[AlmostNancy]

However, you shouldn’t ever be seriously considering scumreading me or anyone else for refusing to go easy on you, just because I happen to like you so much. Quite the contrary in fact, I would assume.

I’ll accept your mea culpa and try not to be annoying or smug about it.

[AlmostNancy]

How am I meant to not scum read shoshin here. Going into this game all I see I about her are people worshipping her town game, and herself boasting about the perfection of her town game.

And then she death tunnels me.

So given the knowledge of my own alignment.

Do I respect her reputation, therefore indicating she's tunnelling me for a mislynch.

Or disregard her reputation and call her a townbeard.

Please explain how I not scum read shosin here.

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

My record speaks for itself and it's not just Labyrinth. In my initial newbie game, I called scumteam on D1 and was named MVP. In American Presidents, I called scumteam on D2 after which I was nightkilled. Town went on to win. I played a key role in winning Supp Mafia, pushing lynches on scum from D2 to the last day phase, when we won. I lynched scum in the recent Epic game, after which scum used their sole kill in the whole game on me. I've won all my town games on this site except the one that you were in, where again I told you not to mislynch Irrelephant (you did), told town not to mislynch Reck (they did), and then got screwed by Nos trolling.

You really need to get over yourself.

This is the definition of boasting

So, you believe Shoshin’s claims are somehow unfounded and you view her as arrogant. That makes her scum, how again?

No, I think the fact she has a good reputation and is incorrect about me makes her scum.

And ftr as this hydra keeps slandering me. I did NOT do that.

The bolded says otherwise. How else did you expect that post to be read?

I expected people to click on the link I included, but I guess it was hard for some people.

@The worst, I dare you to prove I am wrong about this! I’m really getting fed up with people shitting on my reads and gameplay. Wisdom threatened to blacklist me for not being a fucking sheep! You should know me a lot better by now, that I always follow my own logic and gut when making reads and no insults on my gameplay or bullshit shading is ever going to change that. I will not be bullied - not by you or anyone else, in any fucking game ever, so if you’re thinking I will back down because you can’t correctly fucking read me in this game, think again!

[AlmostNancy]

However, you shouldn’t ever be seriously considering scumreading me or anyone else for refusing to go easy on you, just because I happen to like you so much. Quite the contrary in fact, I would assume.

I’ll accept your mea culpa and try not to be annoying or smug about it.

Yeah agreed totally. There's a cluster of players - {you, Shoshin, skitter, Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser} - more centrally who I would be outright scumreading if you didn't engage with me meaningfully. Actually now I'm thinking about it that's a pretty noted difference between out t/t games and Heroes Wanted, you had a really hard time interacting with me there.

On the flipside sometimes it does help to give people a bit of agency. I was kinda hoping to scare the crap out of Mewtaph there and I don't think it had the desired effect.

Hmm . . . this is legit the first time in this game, you have shown me any respect whatsoever. Sorry, for taking your head off there.

In YGM, Wisdom basically went on for pages and pages, telling me what a shit player I am and I guess, I’m still not over it yet and I know Varsoon has issues with RC but he was my hydra partner in that game, and he literally helped me hold onto the sanity, that Wisdom was doing his level best to destroy.

[AlmostNancy]

I finally feel you actually heard what I said to you about that game. That’s kind of it. Yes, I was active but all of my reads were very superficial. Of course my objective was the exact opposite. Here, I’m trying to build town blocks, there I was trying to decimate them.

UNVOTE:

For now.

I hope I’m not going to regret trusting you here.

I still think I’m right about Xtoxm but I want to do my best to not to mislynch.

[AlmostNancy]

Eh if I'm giving off the aura that I don't respect you this game it might be better it I do take a break. If anything I respect you too much to feign confidence when I'm not ready yet. Sorry if it's giving you bad juju.

I know you use your own reasoning to attack scum and I've seen it be both effective and ineffective. Doesn't matter, none of us are right 100% of the time (I think my reads are probably slightly below random) so I'm really comfortable working with you but like in turn, I'm gonna challenge you if I feel like you're on a wrong track or I don't see what you're getting at.

Incidentally yeah the post you've just thrown down tells me you saw the same alarm bell I saw in Xtoxm's posting (the bop thing). It's fine, I'm not going to go into this until after Mewtaph has spoken, like at all. but I definitely see what you're getting at. I just don't think the out of thread origin of that quote actually matters all that much

It’s a bit of a slippery slope tbh. I especially didn’t like when he said he posted that link. Had Shoshin never said, that that quote hadn’t been taken from this game, it might have completely gone over my head.

[AlmostNancy]

You and Nauci are two people I really want to reengage with about Xtoxm after I talk with Mewtaph. I think sorting him is a lot more valuable than going through it in detail rn though

You’re open to criticically seeing our perspective on him, I hope? I dunno, I’m not really seeing how Mewtaph is scum here.

I’m also a bit concerned that Kokichi hasn’t commented on anyone’s alignment yet but maybe it’s because he literally hasn’t read anything in the game so far. He seems townie so far but if he doesn’t give any reads soon, I may be a little worried.

[AlmostNancy]

Oh and @tw, post-game you might not want to read our PT sober, jes’ saying.

[AlmostNancy]

I dunno, I’m not really seeing how Mewtaph is scum here.

Usually when someone posts as many words as he has, I'm able to practically see the gears and wheels going inside their head

But instead it's largely murky despite the number of words

It's almost the opposite of my feelings on Mitillos's posts

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Mitillos is town, due to the no ninja thing.

[AlmostNancy]

@the worst: I'm not going to vote for you because I think you are town. I've pinched my head on and on how my town group works + Irrelephant and with three scum in the pool, Xtoxm just doesn't fit. Maybe I could be giving scum!Performer too much agency here that it just doesn't work because that's screwing with my perspective. Maybe I'm giving too much agency to Kokichi just replacing in, but the fuck if I know?

I've considered town signals, possible scum vibrations, possible town apathy, possible scum apathy, and I've arrived here. It would be asking me to make a fake progression to scum case Xtoxm through ISO and if you understand my intentions and approach with where I'm coming from my very first post, I think you could be able to see that. The problem is from the very moment I arrived, my slot has been associated with the likes of Not_Mafia. Yup, that's my power level apparently. I don't think looking for people making "interesting takes" as a reason to town or scum read somebody is how you find scum. I've been trying to wrap my head around everyone I've named initially + Irrel being town and I'm comfortable with it, to myself, to make pushes based off of that information as a player with relatively few biases and reasons to get stuck into prejudices.

It's like, I made a choice between pushing Performer, Kokichi/Saudade, Xtoxm and like, I may have made the wrong decision here. But if he's not posting here then he's not making the choice any easier and that's what worries me. If he's going to give this game a "bye" pass because he feels that it's already over, then what can I really do about that? At least I can do something with Performer, at least I can do something with Kokichi/Saudade. I could defo be wrong especially considering my reasons to townread Xtoxm are much better than Performer.

Maaaybe I should probably ditch my Performer vague condition that's not really worth much at all in reality considering he's doing the exact same thing as Xtoxm and I'm just choosing to be blind towards it.

@Nauci: I didn't feel that the town case was directed to me, I didn't read it but agreed with the tl;dr he reached. Don't understand why skitter thinks that one particular point wrt you is a good way of seeing you as town, but I'm willing to write skitter off as town right now so I don't really care rn. I would never go to the extent of a town case on you, because that takes so much time and I think that a scroll through your ISO or just reading you in thread is way more than enough. Like your juju doesn't come from scum. Now my problem is that while I made similar :town feel acknowledgements: for other players like skitter and Mitillos, I've only gotten the confirmation feedback in a way that feels good from you.

Now my biggest fear would be something like this; I haven't prodded hard enough around with the town read but I've literally done so much umming and ahhing about it (excruciatingly some of it in thread as directed by an early wagon on me) that there's almost no point in pushing myself to get stuff done there to the point where I accidentally push on a town. Like sometimes I think about this game and I'm afraid that you're mind screwing with me and pocketing the shit out of me, other times I'm worried about skitter lazily sitting their vote on me, and at other times I question whether A50 is being self-aware about past games or scum buddying me for the laughs. But it's just not fair to bring this shit into the thread, and I need shit resolved. This Keyser wagon isn't doing much for me.

@Varsoon: It's okay man. What I've done so far is certainly voteable and probably within my scum range. Rn I'm trying to play too lazy on the real time interactions and it's biting me in the ass.

Anyway, UNVOTE: . No dice, I'm probably just being stupid on Xtoxm; I hope and think it'll probably self resolve soon.

Hi, this is Nancy, not A50 and I’ve never played with you before.

[AlmostNancy]

I've decoded to stop tracking VCs for now. The way everybody keeps hopping on/off wagons makes it IMPOSSIBLE for me to get anything fruitful without a flip.

I also have some ideas that I'm not sharing. I'll probably take these with me to the grave (still better than being wrong and giving scum something to fall back on when I'm gone)

~50 + 6 months + 2 days

[AlmostNancy]

* DECIDED, mot decoded

[AlmostNancy]

*NOT!

[AlmostNancy]

Why the sudden perf wagon

Koki, your play is starting to get on my nerves for real. All you do is lurk out and then pop up to ask why the wagon on X, and that's not just in this game but a is becoming a feature of your play. Please play the game properly. Thank you.

~That ugly monkey

[AlmostNancy]

As an aside if I’m bored enough later I’ll maybe try to make a chart of everyone we’ve collectively considered lynching and who defended each of them (whether subtly or loudly)

I like this; I was trying to mentally keep track but it was becoming a mess

Shoshin and tw don't want to lynch NM

Varsoon and tw doesn't want to lynch xtoxm

Shoshin townreads mew I think?

Lots of people don't want to lynch Keyser today, myself included

Kokichi was given tons of "just replaced in" room even with the impending deadline

I wish I were home right now to case people but I'm in for a 3 hour dentist session \o/

Irrelephant, what are your thoughts on Keyser focusing on us so much of day 1? It feels so weird to me but obviously I no longer have confidence in my Keyser reads

I also don’t want to lynch NM. If we’re close to MLYO/LYLO, I’ll revisit.

[AlmostNancy]

@skitter: Knock.It.Off. Nancy already unfolded my hand regarding my read on you (which you still think could be faked, but why the hell would I try to keep it under cover if my object was to pocket you??). As of now, I have no reason to hide anything (I was playing you and enjoying it, tbh. A bit mean, but entertaining to have you reeling and chasing your tail re my alignment. )

Anyway, it's Performer + Mewtaph + Koki for me. I have been trying to figure out of Mew's been avoiding me as a sign of acknowledgement he doesn't know how to read me or because he's scum and is trying avoid my wrath. That last unvote makes me think it's the second option.

Koki's blatant "I won't be playing properly" is rubbing me the wrong way and looks very much like scum coasting.

If you look at the current VC status (and check a couple of VCs back) you will see Performer's voting paterns have always been suspicious and opportunistic. Like in 1.10 he was voting Shoshin, and in 1.11 he put Xtoxm @L-1, which doesn't make sense as Shoshin (Performer's former target) was leading the charge on Xtoxm, at the time.

Finally (and I concede this might be the weakest link of my argument) check the replacements and activity. Two of the slots have been replaced, yet all 5 of them (replaced players included) didn't really do anything to advance the game or make proper pushes. They're afraid of making mistakes because the players list is too sharp to let go of a scum slip.

Ok, forget about this last point if you don't like it, but the fact is I've been silently keeping an eye on the game while pretending to be a spectator myself so as not to let my personal feelings interfere with my play. The slot has been mainly driven by Nancy so far (95% if the posts I made were non-game related).

So, let's lynch one of Performer (the closest to a lynch already) Mewtaph or Kokichi and get it over with. An investigative on either of the other two is very likely to give us a guilty, and we probably would win the game by the end of D3.

Spoiler: Read only if you are a Cop/Vig AND you trust me

If this setup has BOTH these roles, we can win on D2 if the Cop targets Mew and the Vig takes out Koki. I am only saying this so as not to have a potential Vig shooting the Cop's target.

IGNORE THIS is you don't trust my reads or are not TRing our slot already.

~A50 Strikes Again

[AlmostNancy]

Well, A50 hardtown reads you and after discussing it with him some more, I was able to see his point.

idk this feels kinda townie? i believe a50 should be townreading me here and the fact that they discussed it feels kinda +town?
idk i can see him faking it too tho

==

Yeah I silently die of awkwardness as scum and have to put in major hours to sound as nonchalant as I do as town. Rolling scum absolutely devastates my WIM and I literally cannot interact in real time like this

if this is true i majorly sympathize and i read your real-time interactions as +town tbh

==

I don't really get why you're making this more hectic than it needs to though? He's been posting elsewhere on site but has opted not to post here. Maybe this is the wrong way to "kick" him into doing something considering the tone of his slot, but he hasn't done enough for me not to put my vote there.

is this a pressure vote or a 'i'm scumreading him and want him lynched' vote?
like reading on it seems like it's more of a pressure vote but you haven't really engaged with him super much so i'm not really following why you're voting him *in particular*

also it's getting kinda close to deadline and idk pressure votes seem kinda counterproductive at this stage?

like i'm aware that you're a replacement and that you had to catch up on a lot but i guess for your first push of the game it's kinda ... underwhelming i guess?

==

Did you forget where I mentioned that A50 did the exact same thing in CofH? You can object to his reasoning but I don’t see how it makes him scum here?

Yes and you were wrong about A50, are you forgetting that part?

Do you really think he’s a wolf because why? What about his reaction, seems “wolfy” to you? His most recent posts seem pretty genuine to me?

this feels partner-y with mewtaph

==

Yeah, and that “re-evaluation” came right after he got called out on trying to shade her by lifting her quote from the signup thread and making it seem like it was taken from THIS game.

you realize that literally nobody else thinks he was trying to pass it off as if it came from this game, right? especially since i just clicked on the source post and it took me back to where he got it from

(ie if you're the only one that thinks this it's possible that you're misunderstanding what happened)

==

Do you really think he’s a wolf because why? What about his reaction, seems “wolfy” to you? His most recent posts

seem pretty genuine to me?

ok, why?

==

Like idfk he hasn't warlocked Nancy, she did it of her own volition but I'm fucking done if I'm being shaded for asking someone who's done sweet fuck all to back up a horseshit holistic meta tell with an actual scumcase on a slot I'm townreading

warlock?

==

I've considered town signals, possible scum vibrations, possible town apathy, possible scum apathy, and I've arrived here.

i geuss what i'm having some trouble with is like ... up until this post, i haven't really seen you working through any of these things?

Don't understand why skitter thinks that one particular point wrt you is a good way of seeing you as town,

because scum!her wants to get rid of town!irrel and if he's a pgo it's kinda hard to nk him so i would imagine she'd want to set him up for a lynch and that's not really happening

other times I'm worried about skitter lazily sitting their vote on me,

you havne't given me much reason to take it off tbh

like i guess in this post you're talking about how you've thought long and hard about the gamestate and various slots but i'm not really seeing you talk about them to that level of depth in thread so it's hard for me to track most of your thought processes here, or why you settled on pushing xtoxm over like anyone else in your ???? pool

Xtoxm apathy reading pretty towny

I see Xtoxm ignoring the game and I feel like I need to get him back in it somehow

this doesn't super track to me? like i guess voting someone you characterize as 'pretty townie' because they aren't here when there's other people that you feel worse about is just ?

From the start of the game, I've tried to reach a place where I'm not "scummy" because of a predecessor and with the early wagon I already know I'm not getting there - I try with larger games but when I personally start off on the wrong foot in a pretty large playerlist, I found it's just best to work with a ground work deficit, so I'm trying/tried to get my town reads to town read each other, but at the same time I feel like I haven't really accomplished this through specific interactions, because I myself am not completely a hundred percent on who I've called town. So next I'm trying to figure out who's scum, and I'm getting like almost nothing. And the best thing I came up with in terms of visible play comes out to people not doing much so far, so I associated that with Xtoxm when I really shouldn't have associated with him specifically. Hope that makes things clearer.

i guess this kinda makes sense but it doesn't really feel *townie* to me
idk how to explain why? like it feels like you don't really know how to approach the gamestate but like i can see that coming from both alignments repping in tbh?

I feel Mewtaph’s responses to tw, are the towniest posts he has made on here and under pressure is a really good way to ascertain someone’s alignment and his reaction seemed more likely to come from town than scum. I think me and Shoshin are mindmelding once again here.

[AlmostNancy]

In Heroes, Kokichi had no clue what was going on in that game and hadn’t been paying attention but despite that, he still nevertheless managed to get a couple of reads in. So, dunno about Performer, don’t really want to vote Mewtaph. Probably between Xtoxm and Kokichi rn but I’ll vote Performer to avoid a no lynch.

[AlmostNancy]

In Heroes, Kokichi had no clue what was going on in that game and hadn’t been paying attention but despite that, he still nevertheless managed to get a couple of reads in. So, dunno about Performer, don’t really want to vote Mewtaph. Probably between Xtoxm and Kokichi rn but I’ll vote Performer to avoid a no lynch.

I’m waiting to hear what A50 says about Performer, as I have never played with them before. Rn, I want to beetlejuice Kokichi into doing something useful. Something, anything to show he could be town here.

[AlmostNancy]

In Heroes, Kokichi had no clue what was going on in that game and hadn’t been paying attention but despite that, he still nevertheless managed to get a couple of reads in. So, dunno about Performer, don’t really want to vote Mewtaph. Probably between Xtoxm and Kokichi rn but I’ll vote Performer to avoid a no lynch.

In other words you want me crawl back down my rock and let you steer the slot. Fine. I'll shut up!

[AlmostNancy]

I'll be real
It's been hard for me to follow along with this game.
People are posting a lot and it's difficult to keep up.
I'm also a bit overgamed as it is but like
I want to contribute.

What's the case on Performer here?
I could put him at L-1 but I REALLY don't like the comp of that wagon. :/

The lack of resistance to it, is concerning me somewhat.

VOTE: Kokichi

[AlmostNancy]

Votecount 1.18

Performer(6)

~ Mitillos(36), Nauci(149), Not_Mafia(11), the worst(267), Mewtaph(18), Irrelephant11(117)

Mewtaph(2)

~ skitter30(116), Varsoon(129)

Xtoxm(1)

~ Performer(49)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Shoshin(157)

Creature(1)

~ Creature(114)


Not Voting (4): Keyser Söze(78), Xtoxm(56), Kokichi Oma(34), AlmostNancy(338)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:15:28)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Can someone please explain to me wtf Creature is doing sitting on his own vanity wagon?

[AlmostNancy]

A50 is good with any of the choices. \_0_/

including Mewtaph but I’m trusting Shoshin on this. Sorry A50.

[AlmostNancy]

Yeah I am much more comfortable with a Kokichi lynch today.

Creature made the joke that they play better under pressure and self-voted.

Oh I definitely don’t want to vote Creature, I just want him to get on one of the viable wagons.

I agree with you. Like I said in Heroes Wanted, he had 2 reads, despite being completely checked out of that game.

He just won a towngame and lost a scumgame, if that helps.

[AlmostNancy]

Well, I didn't budget my time properly, so I'm going to have to split this up into multiple posts over a couple of days or so, hence I'm starting a day early. So let me start with the short ISOs.
Also, I'm really glad people are finally getting on board the correct wagon.

Performer

: His entrance wasn't great to a bunch of people, but I saw nothing particularly wrong with it. The defense of Varsoon was a bit weird since one would expect "policy lynches are wrong" instead (especially given the later posts 264 and 962). I already talked about the problem with 277, where it looks like it's just an exercise in looking for an excuse to vote Shoshin more than anything else. Then he fluffed a bit and FoS'd everyone who voted him except me (Shoshin, worst, Nauci, irrel, and eventually Creature), which is kinda meh in itself, even if he said it wasn't OMGUS. In 715 he starts throwing suspicion at Vars linked to Shoshin, but at least that one I can understand if one doesn't read Vars' posts as being sarcastic.
In the same post he says he has to reread Xtoxm, then when Shoshin makes a vague minor threat, he instantly switches his vote from Shoshin to Xtoxm, joining Shoshin, worst, Vars, and irrel (all four being players he has claimed suspicions on), and putting Xtoxm at L-1 without even mentioning this to be the case. Note that he definitely knew that the wagon was large and getting traction, given that he explicitly said in 715 that he needed to reread Xtoxm to see why he was being voted.
The "Rory Swann is an engineer" thing could easily have come from a scumchat as others have mentioned. Bit tinfoily, sure, but still possible.

Read: Scum. Join this wagon, and bring rope.

Saudade/Kokichi

: Saudade provided a big pile of no content. Thankfully, Kokichi came in and basically told us he's scum in posts 1497, 1501, and 1535, so once we've sorted out a couple of his buddies, we can have another look at Kokichi.

Read: Lean scum, but needs more content, so I'm willing to wait until he catches up.

Teacher/Mewtaph

: Teacher's one post pinged me, because it's basically saying "Performer is always scummy, but not this time". The naked vote on Shoshin is also problematic, because if Teacher was reading enough to say that Performer was not scummy, he would also be reading enough to have an actual reason to vote Shoshin. It can be defended as RVS, though, so I'm discounting it for now. Then we have Mewtaph, whom I am really liking so far (mostly). He gives his reads and explains them carefully, showing his thought process so that others can follow it and determine if they agree or not. The only thing that gives me pause (other than his predecessor) is his somewhat amorphous take on Performer, which started with "scum!Perf wouldn't post his town playstyle" (he totally would, if he considered it something he could emulate as scum), and ended with a vote. It could be uncertain town or it could be scum who is trying to keep their options open.

Read: Lean town.

N_M

: Virtually no content, two naked votes. Normally, I'd put this in the "lurker and therefore leaning scum" pile, but N_M also played like this as a Lib in two Secret Hitler games, so I'm willing to leave him at:

Read: Null until more content.

Keyser

: I like how he prodded and questioned Skitter, and once he got a better understanding of her way of thinking reassessed his position. I disagree with his early Irrel-Nauci theory (which he has also changed his mind on), but both that and his case on Irrel are town-indicative to me, as they seem to show sincere scumhunting. He's been asking questions, but also following up with his own thoughts and comments, not just leaving them there to appear inquisitive. I don't really have much more to say here. I'm pretty sure there's no need for a deeper case.

Read: Town.

Xtoxm

: Disgruntled, and others have already mentioned it could be disgruntled scum (including a reference to a previous game of his with similar vibes). I don't like how in 949 he basically townreads anyone who is townreading him and leaning town on the person engaging him (and may therefore potentially townread him afterwards). Is there an inverse of OMGUS? Maybe OMGILU? I want to check if his reads on e.g. Nauci and skitter (and any others) changed based on whether they were voting/scumreading him or not. Post 1207 seems to suggest this. I'll check on this later. Also, I'm not sure why he's leaning scum on N_M, because he never mentioned him before, or explained said read, as far as I can tell. (Oh, hey, look at that, I can comment on the quality of your reads, guess I must be scum.)

Read: Lean scum.

That's everyone with fewer than 100 posts, so far. More later.

I would like a Performer lynch. I am not particularly opposed to a Kokichi or an Xtoxm lynch, but they'd be secondary choices at best, and can see myself changing my mind on them with more content. With regard to the more active players, I've been ambivalent from time to time on Creat, Vars, AlNan, Irrel, and very very slightly on Shoshin (sorted here from least to most towny for your convenience), so I'll want to reread them again next. I'm still fairly solidly townreading Skitter, Nauci, and worst, so I'm leaving their ISOs for last.

Yeah A50 and me aren’t mindmelding on Mewtaph and Xtoxm. My reads on those slots match up with yours. Gut read and I especially trust my gut on townreads. I’m rarely ever wrong on those. I currently lean town on Mewtaph and scum on Xtoxm and I wholeheartedly disagree with Skitter’s take on that slot. I have meta with Kokichi and until I see anything even remotely townie from him, I’ll keep my vote there but fine with switching to either Performer and especially Xtoxm to avoid a no lynch.

[AlmostNancy]

In Heroes, Kokichi had no clue what was going on in that game and hadn’t been paying attention but despite that, he still nevertheless managed to get a couple of reads in. So, dunno about Performer, don’t really want to vote Mewtaph. Probably between Xtoxm and Kokichi rn but I’ll vote Performer to avoid a no lynch.

Can you link me that game?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76709&user_select%5B%5D=30618

Kokichi’s ISO

[AlmostNancy]

UNVOTE:

For now

UNVOTE:

For now

[AlmostNancy]

I haven't played with performer too much, but he seems like the lynchbaity type of player. Like would 488 really come from scum? Wouldn't they be more cautious than to openly OMGUS like that? Seems like a natural reaction. If I didn't like someone's vote on me, I would say something similar. I think I actually just did with Nancy's vote. Do you think I'm OMGUSing, Keyser?

You are if you’re ignoring my posts about beetle juicing you. You said nothing to make me think you could be town until now and THM was A50, not me.

Do you seriously think I post these links as scum? Please tell me the scum motivation for doing that?

[AlmostNancy]

Yeah, I wasn't sure which one. But, that makes sense. What's your read on me so far?

I’m not sure rn but don’t feel confident about voting you rn. I like that you are asking questions. So, who do you think is most likely to be scum so far. I know you don’t think Performer.

[AlmostNancy]

"until now" is there something I said you don't think I could just say as scum?

Yes, so how do you think I can better read you then?

[AlmostNancy]

@Kokichi: Sorry, I mostly check-in, post if I have something to post, then leave again. I don't really do the real-time conversation thing. My read on you is based on both Saudade and you. His big pile of nothing is somewhat scummy. Your "I'm so WIFOM lol" is somewhat scummy. Also, you're right about AlNan there. And it's one of the things that made me ambivalent on them.

@Keyser: Yup. Irrel claimed PGO. I asked for his flavour. He claimed Rory Swann. Performer said that Irrel said that Rory Swann is an engineer out of nowhere. Someone (I think Irrel) said that it tinfoil made him think that maybe someone in the scumchat said this instead and Performer got it from there, which seems like a somewhat reasonable scenario.

What is Kokichi right about wrt us? His questioning our vote?

[AlmostNancy]

"until now" is there something I said you don't think I could just say as scum?

Yes, so how do you think I can better read you then?

What was it?

I’m asking you. I’m asking how you think I should be able to better read you.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: Xtoxm

For now.

[AlmostNancy]

"until now" is there something I said you don't think I could just say as scum?

Yes, so how do you think I can better read you then?

What was it?

I’m asking you. I’m asking how you think I should be able to better read you.

By always townreading me.

That turned out to be a mistake in YGM.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: kokichi

why are you voting me? iirc, you've played with me when I was scum and you were town. how does this game parallel that at all right now?

Nothing about this game reminds me of that one
There I lacked strong townreads for awhile
Here I’m townreading most of the active players, so I’m voting one of the quiet slots. Sometimes it’s that simple

Where is the logic in that? And also if you're saying that nothing is similar, wouldn't that give you pause to vote me? And instead vote one of the other quiet slots? Why me in particular?

I think it’s pretty logical - “I’m townreading everyone who’s talking, therefore I should vote a lurker” is smart town okay. What about it bothers you so? Just that it happens to be your slot?
I am definitely interested to here you talk more about AlmostNancy as you read more of the game

And no other slots?

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: kokichi

why are you voting me? iirc, you've played with me when I was scum and you were town. how does this game parallel that at all right now?

Nothing about this game reminds me of that one
There I lacked strong townreads for awhile
Here I’m townreading most of the active players, so I’m voting one of the quiet slots. Sometimes it’s that simple

Where is the logic in that? And also if you're saying that nothing is similar, wouldn't that give you pause to vote me? And instead vote one of the other quiet slots? Why me in particular?

I think it’s pretty logical - “I’m townreading everyone who’s talking, therefore I should vote a lurker” is smart town okay. What about it bothers you so? Just that it happens to be your slot?
I am definitely interested to here you talk more about AlmostNancy as you read more of the game

And no other slots?

Right

NM and xtoxm are still fine lunches tbh
As is mewtaph, kokichi

+ probably someone else I’ve forgotten
Obviously they each have some amount of town equity (none have scum claimed) but there’s a pretty high bar for towniness this game I feel - I don’t super understand defenses for any of these players beyond “I just really feel towniness from them, this meh play they’re doing is just what town!them would do here”

I’ve seen shoshin correctly read NM before and NM can be pretty good at tpr, so I guess I’m also willing to not lynch there?

But I think we push past the “please don’t lynch!!!”s on one of these players and just do it; soon, probably

So, why aren’t you asking Kokichi about NM, Xtoxm and Mewtaph?

[AlmostNancy]

@Almost - he shared an unpopular read on you & I’m interested to see it develop, given it seems you two have history
I expect him to share reads on all slots eventually, obviously
What’s the point of this line of questioning?

@Keyser - I got vague town feels from Performer’s recent posts, which is part of why I moved my vote. I think your reasons to townread him are fine. I’ve seen you defend both town and scum with that “TWTBAW” reasoning, so I’m unsure how much to townread Performer from it. His disagreeing with your meta defense of him was probably the most town-indicative in the wifom-y way

I just thought that since we’re so close to EOD, his reads on alternative wagons are more important at least during this day phase. Don’t you agree?

He retracted that “unpopular opinion”, when he realized I was beetlejuicing him. That was my interpretation of it anyway.

[AlmostNancy]

Creature, bassoon
Tw
Mewtaph
Nauci, skittles, NM, Keyser, Kokicki
Performer - null line
Mitilos, shos, irre, an

I thought that NM votes were on sensible wagons for pressure at the time so I upgraded him, I may be over thinking that one

See, this is one of the reasons I’m not town reading you. You’re readslist is totally self-centric. Have you ISO’d any of Shoshin’s posts, not referencing you? Because if you had, you would see that Shoshin is the most obvious townie in this entire game and is never scum here.

[AlmostNancy]

I get brownie points in the dead thread if she is tho

Its entirely possible my reads are a crock of shit this game but this is how I see it

UNVOTE:

I think you actually believe this - wrt Shoshin.

Fwiw, I have a very weak townlean on Kokichi. When he was at risk of being wagoned in YGM, I tried to get him to do anything that resembled scumhunting or making reads and he wasn’t trying in the slightest. He could still possibly be scum here but he is putting in more effort and reads here, than he did in that game. \_0_/

[AlmostNancy]

Wait the F up!! How many birthdays does Creature have? Did you get delivered in pieces or something?? I could've sworn I sent you a happy B-day PM most recently... yup.. Dec 2nd!!!

[AlmostNancy]

Spoiler: For Nauci's Eyes Only!

Skim Open 732 and tell me if you see what I see?

I'm not seeing it myself, so I doubt anyone else would. If you're suggesting I'm scum with skitter and we're playing this way to distance then you are not only

really

off mark, but you are also conf!biased to the point I may think it scummy. I've just finished a game that you were modding. Do you really think my play here is much different to that??

A30*2-A10

[AlmostNancy]

I dunno how good I feel about lynching Kokichi

1 indicator of a possible town wagon, is the lack of resistance. I think Shoshin’s townblock likely has some red in it. I’m not sure who rn but I’m not buying all scum are LHFs, like seriously, how often does that ever happen?

Anyway, never lynching Shoshin, the worst, you.

If Kokichi did what he did in DnD, it would make this a whole lot easier but my gut is telling me, he’s probably a mislynch. Xtoxm is probably town, due to Shoshin dead thread derp.

Varsoon, Skitter, Keyzer, probably town too.

[AlmostNancy]

Can we lynch Irrelephant pls?

Why?

[AlmostNancy]

Can we lynch Irrelephant pls?

Did he say the w word

No but he said TWTBAW

How is that scummy?

[AlmostNancy]

Am I the only one scumreading creature??

Why? The bizarre self-vote or something else?

[AlmostNancy]

We're not lynching Mew today.

Skitter, can you talk to me about why you prefer Koki over Not_Mafia?

I had been townreading NM but his reasoning for his Irrelephant11 vote, is the most nonsensical reason I think I’ve ever seen for a vote, ever.

[AlmostNancy]

@mitil I did regarding shos, true. I had to reevaluate that slot. For instance she had sausage & someone 2 slots below me , and later she had me only 1 slot above someone . That readslist from shos pinged me from null back to sr.

pedit at Nauci: tw's tone sounds off in here.

I thought that too for awhile. When his response to my answers to his questions, was to scumlean me, I legit thought he had rolled scum here but then, I was also scumreading Xtoxm and thought TW was hard defending his buddy but now that he acknowledged that I am engaging him here and townleans me and I think Xtoxm is town, I wonder why scum!the worst hard defends Xtoxm to that extent. TW can’t get towncred, if Xtoxm never flips right?

@Varsoon, what is your read on the worst?

[AlmostNancy]

Can we lynch Irrelephant pls?

Did he say the w word

No but he said TWTBAW

How is that scummy?

Scum NM spent like half of the game trollingly demanding the lynch of a player for having said wagonomics

I don't remember the last time I saw NM explain a vote of his with more depth than that

Oops I accidentally wrote "the game" when I meant the game Irrelephant mentioned that I had modded

Mini normal 2030 to be specific

The vote in itself is far less suspicious than his push on Irrelephant11 for that reason.

[AlmostNancy]

wrt Koki the energy is reminding me of this game
viewtopic.php?t=75989&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

ruby red correctly identified him as scum, he was wagoned and basically derailed it through this like appeal to audacity type "I'm never correctly lynched as scum, only mislynched" and here he has that same kind of deflective energy like he feels entitled to not be lynched but.. yeah skitter said it, I'm not sure where this is coming from

He does make the similar defensive post about being busy but in the link, you quoted, he is also agressively pushing other wagons. He isn’t doing that here, he seems to be more interested in sorting the votes on him. He also did that agressive pushing in YGM. The lack of survivalsm in his posting is more likely to come from town!Kokichi than scum!Kokichi. Remember in Heroes, he was advocating for his lynch?

[AlmostNancy]

the main tell I've used in the past on NM that has worked sometimes is that if he's pushing scumreads who you can see as wolves with a trajectory/what feels like some kind of accuracy he's probably town (his d1 reads are actually usually pretty good)

If he's pushing bullshit he's probably scum.

Tbf I've misread him by this metric as many times as I've read him correctly lately but he looks like his wolfgame rn

Is NM fatalistic as scum?

[AlmostNancy]

I think NM is town. This is how he always acts

Links? When did he ever do that in YGM?

[AlmostNancy]

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Exactly what is townie about this post? @Kokichi

[AlmostNancy]

Bad creature vote imo.

Bad creature vote imo.

?

Hes never this active as scum

Agreed. We’re definitely not lynching Creature.

[AlmostNancy]

the main tell I've used in the past on NM that has worked sometimes is that if he's pushing scumreads who you can see as wolves with a trajectory/what feels like some kind of accuracy he's probably town (his d1 reads are actually usually pretty good)

If he's pushing bullshit he's probably scum.

Tbf I've misread him by this metric as many times as I've read him correctly lately but he looks like his wolfgame rn

Is NM fatalistic as scum?

@The worst, could you please answer this. I mean does he act in ways to deliberately try to get himself lynched?

[AlmostNancy]

@AlNan he does that as town all the time. Lol. You cant read him by looking for towny posts

What does NM’s scumgame look like?

Who do you think is scum?

[AlmostNancy]

It is? That’s what she’s saying?

I think Kokichi wagon will flip green, so I think we need a better one.

[AlmostNancy]

{tw}
{Shoshin, Irrelephant}
{skitter, Nauci}
{Xtoxm, Creature, Mitillos}
{Performer, Keyser, Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi, NM}

Ish

You’re pinging me again. Maybe Performer is onto something.

[AlmostNancy]

I get brownie points in the dead thread if she is tho

Its entirely possible my reads are a crock of shit this game but this is how I see it

UNVOTE:

I think you actually believe this - wrt Shoshin.

Fwiw, I have a very weak townlean on Kokichi. When he was at risk of being wagoned in YGM, I tried to get him to do anything that resembled scumhunting or making reads and he wasn’t trying in the slightest. He could still possibly be scum here but he is putting in more effort and reads here, than he did in that game. \_0_/

{Harpoon, Nancy} could be another tier above Perf and Keys but otherwise I'm pretty okay with that list? It was sloppy but it's pretty much where I'm at

I’m seriously starting to wonder if you’re skipping my posts or something.

[AlmostNancy]

@nancy you're way too concerned with how people are reading you

Only people I expect to be reading me accurately.

[AlmostNancy]

I’m seriously starting to wonder if you’re skipping my posts or something.

Why do you think this?

Did you just read what I quoted? I am not going to keep going through this with you and repeating myself ad nauseum.

[AlmostNancy]

Reconfirming Nauci as town and adding Performer as a townlean.

Not sure how to read tw anymore in this game. :/

[AlmostNancy]

I can't engage with you on every single post Nancy
This is why I called v/la, I'm sinking my time into real-time because I find it more effective

dobyou want to talk me through why you think I'm wrong on Saudade and Kokichi because this is reminding me of scum!Kokichi in that one game a lot and I think Saudade was wolfy. :/

That link you posted of his scumgame, does remind me somewhat of YGM but he’s been giving lots of reads here. In the game you linked, he just kept pushing different wagons just to deflect.

Again, I already said this - the latter part. Yet another post of mine, you seemed to have missed?

[AlmostNancy]

So, maybe, it’s really the V/LA thing and you don’t really have time to properly read the game. Okay, @tw, I’ll cut you slack on that until you’re no longer V/A. Deal?

[AlmostNancy]

Definitely possible yeah. Throw me a link to YGM?

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77611&user_select%5B%5D=30618

Kokichi ISO

[AlmostNancy]

I don't think me being NK'd can be worked into a segue to push you if you're town though, imo it's probably more powerful for both of us to sort other slots than sort each other.

Koki is a good choice and I'll have a look at the towngame you mentioned. I need him active here tho

No YGM is his scumgame. DnD is his towngame. I’ll get you that link too. I really think he’s town here.

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

[AlmostNancy]

@the worst

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77413&user_select% ... &start=400

Kokichi DnD TOWN game ISO.

[AlmostNancy]

I'm not going to be able to finish this investigation in time so I'm just going to post what has made me question skitter (well, I've kinda not felt great about the slot since the beginning, but never looked into why or tried to articulate it since that's an impossible day 1 lynch anyway).

I don't have a formed opinion by any means yet because I've not had time to sit down and reread her ISO, so this is all, like, my-case-on-blackvoid levels of paranoia/loose thoughts. But because skitter proved so formidable at sounding town on more than even a surface level in her scum game, I feel like I need to drop this here. Since she and I are both very townread, I'd be sad if I was NKed and no one ever looked at this as a possibility at all. With that said, this case wasn't even enough to convince me skitter isn't town, so she sits right in my r/therewasanattempt-null pile.

Skitter don't hate me forever ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Spoiler: skitter feels, mang

Subject: OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y : SCUMZ PT

lol

kinda wondering if she's going to be paranoid and wonder why people aren't reading her as lynchbait, and that scum don't really feel the need to fight this fight given that we know she's lying and that she just screamed in rainbow colors for town prs not to be on her, and whether if she'll come to the conclusion that *we* have pgo.

it's kinda an interestng set of logical hoops required to come to the right conclusion and i wonder if she'll manage to do so

Based on her scum PT reactions to ruru fake claiming PGO here, and all of the speculation she did wrt PGO claiming in general, I feel like she has undercommented on Irrelephant's claim

Subject: OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y : SCUMZ PT

i'm actually kinda surprised i got townread this fast and/or easily? i feel like i'm just bullshitting a bunch of words that i would probably talk about as town cept i just made all of it up and like half of it is fluff that i added to make it seem more 'nuanced'

This is what my gut has been feeling about skitter's posting this entire game

Subject: OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y : SCUMZ PT

yeah, i try, i just have a really hard time pushing people based on things i don't believe and/or know aren't true. like i can make up fake analysis without that much difficulty; i just have a lot of trouble pushing 'scumreads' that i don't actually believe in

yeah that game was fun and i remember getting super annoyed at the roleplay lolz

Scum skitter is great at self-casing lol

Side note, skitter is not shy about bussing but also not about potentially defending teammates (and also contemplated fake claiming)

With these (and other bits I didn't explicitly note), I got on a path of re-evaluating my feels about skitter's play this game and some interactions. My first game with skitter, I mind melded hard enough that she spent the whole game thinking I was trying to pocket her because I kept talking about how I was hard townreading her because she was practically in my head with the reactions she had.

I specifically asked Irrelephant to look at the thread because, as previously mentioned, he takes leads and chases them up a lot. And he has the sort of mind that chases down bits and leads like this with some degree of paranoia like I was, and I could count on it as a second opinion. (@irrelephant, pause reading here and consider the above before you continue; TIA!) And also because I had gut feels of associations between skitter and irrelephant IF skitter is scum

So I've got a pet theory that skitter could be scum and that if so, irrelephant potentially is a scum partner there.

Reasons I think I can articulate:

-Skitter has said lots of analysis and true things, but not pushed anyone much except mewtaph (and has been ultra conservative with throwing out votes)
-Skitter would have articulated much more on why she'd prefer to lynch kokichi in a way I would have grokked easily
-all of the analysis about the pgo claim was with the idea that the alternative is irrelephant being a scum pgo instead of town pgo, with a quick dismissal of the idea that he's a scum not-pgo
-skitter has solo scummed to victory as one of the town's strongest town reads for the whole game despite never being NKed (town lynched the other scum on d1 and d2)
-irrelephant town read her below the never-scum tier but threw AN into the town block based on her read?
-irrelephant otherwise hasn't interacted a lot with skitter, which is possible-partner levels for Irrelephant

~*~*~feels and paranoia~*~*~

-I just kept getting the feeling that her posts have been under-confident or feigning confidence
-Everything has drifted right in that fake-town zone she herself described
-if mitillos was informed there are no ninjas, would scum be informed there isn't a pgo?
-very loose idea that both skitter and irrelephant under-reacted to the link. For skitter, I felt a "I need to know where this is going so I don't respond in the wrong way" hesitation, and for irrelephant, I really thought he'd pick up on the same parts I saw or at least would take more time to try to see what I was trying to show, since it's not even a very long PT. I expected a bit more than just a few words before moving on?
-the number of posts on AN felt so excessive I wondered if it was fluff
-when would I ever not be paranoid about irrelephant playing a glorious scum game? I mean who would I even be? I always thought that if irrelephant rolled scum against me, he'd work to have me on his side because I'm the most likely person to dismantle his act, and nothing like a big ol' town case on me to really dig in on that

reasons to town read skitter and/or irrelephant

-the pressure on mewtaph was pretty good and I agree with several of the conclusions there
-inconvenient-for-scum number of town reads formed from both
-townrelephant claiming pgo like that is perfectly plausible
-that town case on me was actually really great work and pro-town
-he has been voting all over the place and chasing up leads left and right within a POE pile like townrelephant usually does

This isn't a remotely good use of the rest of day 1 so I'm tabling this pursuit and looking up Performer meta when I wake up

So, you think Skitter and Irrelephant11 could be possible scumbuddies here?

I can’t comment on Irrelephant11, who I currently have a null read on but Skitter seemed to be genuinely frustrated with not being able to read us correctly and A50 townreads her. So? \_0_/

But I think you really trying to figure things out, rather than coasting, makes you likely townie.

The only slot in this game, that I have not questioned or doubted has been Shoshin. I have seen nothing so far from her, that practically doesn’t scream town!Shoshin. So, maybe hers is the only slot, that I’m 99.999% confident on atm. :/

[AlmostNancy]

I can't engage with you on

every single

post Nancy

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

booooo

hiissssss

(ok this is the longest I've stayed up through jetlag so my brain is VERY done efforting today; I can't even articulate why I am ever so lightly leaning town on xtoxm right now)

pedit @mitillos: fair

Why are you hissing/booing at my post? He literally said, he can’t properly sort me until late December. *confused*

[AlmostNancy]

So, maybe, it’s really the V/LA thing and you don’t really have time to properly read the game. Okay, @tw, I’ll cut you slack on that until you’re no longer V/A. Deal?

That'll be late December and I'd be pretty surprised if we're both still alive then but when there's less stuff to focus on I think I'm going to be able to sort you better

@Nauci

You really think I’m offbase here? How exactly?

[AlmostNancy]

@Nauci, skitter has the kind of wide scumrange where if you look skeptically you can always come out with reasons to scumread her. if you focus on the weak points she identified within that pt and also compare timestamps to her ingame ISO I think you can come out with some really interesting tells

(sorry this is so much work..... I decided to be arrogant about reading skitter correctly after seeing her double wolf run in open 732/GSGDM first hand so far I've got her right each time)


@Nancy I'm not into flaking and tend to be a bad hydra buddy. I'll consider it if it gets bad but I still think I'm playing quite strongly relatively to a lot of like.. other players.. if I rep out I think there's a >rand chance my replacement would a less capable player than the play I'm exhibiting in this game. I'm just not as capable as I usually am due to time restraints (plus large game size).

I'll actually be a little upset if you think I'm being distinctly weak in a general sense and the gamestate would be bettered by me leaving but it's fair feedback so I'll take it.

also I don't want to hydra this game, hydraing takes MORE time

No, I obviously love having you in the game and I never implied that I thought you were “weak” or anything of the kind. But when you literally tell me, you can’t sort me properly until late December, that obviously gives me cause for concern.

[AlmostNancy]

sorry if that sounds arrogant but I actually feel reasonably good about myself and my reads right now. I'm happy to do some more Kokichi homework if you want to show me what here looks more like his towngame

I don’t have any problem with YOU, some of your reads OTOH, could IMHO, use a little work. I gave you the links. In a nutshell, YGM reminds me somewhat of that decimal link you posted and Kokichi is blatantly obvtown in DnD game. Here he is making reads, asking questions and engaging - 3 things he really didn’t do in YGM.

[AlmostNancy]

Why is Creature town? Can someone who town reads Creature explain it to me?

He’s very frozen as scum and doesn’t make believable reads.

I would really like his read on NM.

[AlmostNancy]

So, maybe, it’s really the V/LA thing and you don’t really have time to properly read the game. Okay, @tw, I’ll cut you slack on that until you’re no longer V/A. Deal?

That'll be late December and I'd be pretty surprised if we're both still alive then but when there's less stuff to focus on I think I'm going to be able to sort you better

@Nauci

You really think I’m offbase here? How exactly?

If you genuinely think not having the bandwidth to properly and

fully

engage with/read

just your slot

for just ~2 weeks is somehow worth requesting someone who's still reading and posting replace out, then you genuinely have a rude and awful idea.

I apologize for GAF about this game.

[AlmostNancy]

intent to marry entire playlist

@Nauci I had already read that entire scumchat to be able to read Skitter better in another game. Nothing was new to me, and I’m not townreading Skitter for any of her easily fakeable reasons, so nothing stood out to me there either. The fact she hasn’t pushed many players makes sense to me; I don’t have many scumreads either. The way she’s handling the AlmostNancy slot feels especially town for her. I forget what my third reason was, but it wasn’t something I thought Skitter had the foresight to fake

Agreed.

[AlmostNancy]

This post surprised me:

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

I don’t like this from AlmostNancy

Just gut-read it as scum talking to town.

It’s scummy to want players who are actively driving this game, to be able to properly make reads, before the end of the month - HOW exactly?

[AlmostNancy]

This post surprised me:

But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/

I don’t like this from AlmostNancy

Just gut-read it as scum talking to town.

I thought this was a rude post but one that more likely comes from frustrated town

I'm not sure if any scum would just goad one of the game's top town reads and active players about replacing out, but it's plausible that someone frustrated with and focused on the microcosm of TW reading them would have this moment

You’re right, I am really frustrated because I don’t understand many of TW’s thought processes or reads - this game and can’t understand how he is misreading me here.

[AlmostNancy]

Votecount 1.25

Not_Mafia(5)

~ the worst(312), Irrelephant11(149), Nauci(210), Shoshin(164), Varsoon(138)

Creature(2)

~ Creature(125), Mewtaph(22)

Xtoxm(1)

~ Performer(77)

the worst(1)

~ Not_Mafia(19)

Performer(1)

~ Mitillos(46)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ skitter30(147)


Not Voting (4): Keyser Söze(99), Xtoxm(70), Kokichi Oma(89), AlmostNancy(393)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:16:25)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Creature isn’t scum here, at worst neutral 3P maybe but never scum. Creature, for God’s sakes, get on another wagon.

[AlmostNancy]

i don't feel like i've concentrated on it nearly as much as you think i have)

I said you under-commented on it and dismissed the possible rammifications compared to my expectations

i read you what you were saying as an implication that: i under-commented on it here -> scum!me was talking about it more in the scum pt since that's what i did last time

and i was saying that the fact that he claimed pgo ... just kinda is and it's not something i really spent much time thinking about either way

the fact that i'm good at both of these and the fact people are townreading me here is not exactly scum-indicative, but rather seems to be fuel for your paranoia

Other people's reads on you aren't fueling it; the fact that I've not grokked your posting as much and had an unsettled feeling about your posting did. The only difference was that others' reads led me to post my partially gestated theory early.

fair enough, fair enough, ir ead that bit as you saying that you were worried about scum!me winning lylo despite being townread and not being dead like i did there so i was pointing out that happens to me as town all the time too (and that you were even in a game where that happened)

==

I think we're overthinking this.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

The game state was so weird I felt like I needed to start exploring zanier ideas

I have this feeling like regardless of who the d1 flip is if it's town I'm gonna yell FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK regardless and this resonates deeply

my gut says nm is town
literally gut tho; nothing conclusive to back it up

i'll be kinda disappointed if we flip him today as some sort of compromise and he ends up being town after this whole long day1. like it's just very like .... underwhelming

at the same time we are running out of time and i do think that he always needs to be resolved before lylo so like lynching him isn't the worst thing on the planet i guess

i'll vote him if i need to to make a lynch happen but i'd prefer mew or kokichi quite a lot more.

(he has been one of the most pro-active players, but somehow he’s not a cemented/strong read as a Soshin/TW town read. Perhaps the ‘tone’ (?) I’m not fully believing

(i'm a she btw)

/shrug idk people get paranoid of me now so it takes longer sometimes for me to get to that point of 'hilariously obvtown' and there's a lot of people that can towntell super hard in this pl

==

i mostly like the composition of the not_mafia wagon tho tbh

Mew Creature vote is bad and I know no one is listening to me but I think both Kokichi and NM could be town here.

[AlmostNancy]

Koki & Perf are viable counterwagons to Not_Mafia. Creature & the worst aren't.

Agree. I will fight any Creature wagon.

[AlmostNancy]

Gamma is scum, mark my words, write it in stone

... gamma isn't in this game

???

[AlmostNancy]

I'm happy with a Not_Mafia lynch, because contentless lurkers who don't explain their reads are anti-town by definition.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
That's L-1.

@Keyser: I've been called controlled and measured (even robotic) before. People were reacting to my posting style. Please, consider the possibility that you are doing the same.

I'm back and working on remaining ISOs/reads now.

One lesson I learned from hydraing with RC, is that town often mistakes obvious mislynchbait for scum - especially very early game.

Lovebird from DnD, anyone?

[AlmostNancy]

Lynch the worst and then Vidal Sassoon

You mean Varsoon?



Sorry Varsoon but that was actually funny.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: Creature

But why?

Bad creature vote imo.

Bad creature vote imo.

?

Hes never this active as scum

Agreed. We’re definitely not lynching Creature.

I 1000% disagree with BOTH Nancy & Kokichi

Why is Creature scum?

[AlmostNancy]

Here he is making reads, asking questions and engaging - 3 things he really didn’t do in YGM.

I see the same things that are being done in his YGM and this game .

Elaborate.

When does scum!Kokichi hardtown read his counterwagon - irrespective of NM’s alignment?

I also see no world where Kokichi and NM are ever w/w, so they are not linked.

[AlmostNancy]

More reads:

Creature

: Makes 28 posts before he gives anything resembling a read with a reason. Then another dozen or so, before giving another couple of reasons for his reads. After that, he becomes more engaged in the game. Eventually he slumps back to not giving reasons, and even votes himself. He is a bit all over the place, and my prediction came true. I have trouble reading him, because he just won't respond to questions a lot of the time. (I'm still waiting for explanations for his scumreads.)

Read: Null, leaning scum, because of the on-and-off coasting.

Varsoon

: I mentioned before that some of his behaviour here reminds me of a previous scumgame of his. There was a very distinctive defensiveness and paranoia about people grouping up against him, which I had seen in his scum game but not his town game. His thing about Shoshin took entirely too long and was very annoying to watch. However, then came an interesting twist. He said he was just going to sheep Shoshin, but at some point (I make it around post 750 or so), he starts engaging the game, giving reads and opinions, and being generally solid. Before this point, I would read Varsoon's posts and shake my head. Afterwards, I'd be nodding, instead (or at the very least understanding his points, even if I disagree with him).

Read: Leaning town after a crescendo.

Irrelephant

: For this one, I'm just going to give the things that give me pause. Consider everything I don't mention to be perfectly fine. 1) His claim is kinda meh for me. If he really is a PGO, he should have kept quiet about it and try to attract a nightkill. If he isn't, he shouldn't lie about it. Both of these are under the assumption that he is town. 2) He asked Shoshin 2-3 times why she is townreading me, and even though she never responded (this will come up again when I do my Shoshin read) he didn't do anything about it (as far as I can see). In other words, he seems unwilling to reevaluate his townblock.

Read: Town but with flecks of paranoia.

AlmostNancy and Shoshin will take quite a bit of time to sort through, so they will have to wait. I'm still leaning town on them, so it's not like the reads on them are urgent. I'm also still townreading skitter, Nauci, and the worst.

My preferred lynches remain as they were in post 2049. To reiterate: Perf > N_M ~ Kokichi > Xtoxm > Creature.
I am willing to get on a wagon on any of these five.

Why should Irrelephant11 have kept quiet about being PGO? He could attract an NK but possibly also a town PR?

[AlmostNancy]

Here he is making reads, asking questions and engaging - 3 things he really didn’t do in YGM.

I see the same things that are being done in his YGM and this game .

Note to self: sounds like a big misrep from AlmostNancy about Koki

Do you even understand wtf “misrep” actually means? Because it’s 100% not what you’re suggesting it is.

Misrepping is misconstruing what someone said. Which I clearly didn’t do.

[AlmostNancy]

I'm a day 2 IC. lynch xtomn

Can Krazy confirm you tomorrow?

Why Xtoxm? Do you really think his Shoshin dead thread derp comes from scum?

[AlmostNancy]

But I'd still like to see a competing wagon on one of our other suspects.

I dont like the suggestion of this at all. Sounds like trying to fish for claims.

How?

And you’re accusing me of “misrepping”?

[AlmostNancy]

Can you point to anything from NM specifically that makes him town? @kokichi

@Nancy why doesn’t Kokichi saying “neither of us are scum” read w/w..?

I think you misunderstood my post. I said they are NOT w/w because scum!Kokichi would either bus or lynch his counterwagon, so that’s why I lean to both of them more likely being town here.