The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

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[possesses no response]

it's repsonse schadd how could u get this one wrong

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anyway im going to completely ignore the fact that 3 players cant post, i highly doubt that it's going to be relevant on page two

VOTE: mastina

pedit: wig

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omg skitter is in this game? i didnt even know lol

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i should probably like, actually read this playerlist

pedit: how likely is this just a personality thing for him? he just strikes me as an odd fella im not sure what the scum motive is there

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oh!!! eleventhirty's skitter and irrelephant okay thats a pretty top tier hydra

also hi kid and corkscrew (:igmeou:) and anyone in that alisae hydra i might know!!

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^ if i were smart enough to put spaces around my emoticons this is what the above would look like

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I dont like thr post at the top of this page either, the one addressed to 3ps

i mean fair but u said you didnt like a post so im equating that to you feeling he's scum - im not really sure why scum specifically is going to go like "I STAN 3rd PARTY ROLES BTW" in bold on a pagetop

is it a not-very-good-post? ya maybe... but like, it just seems like a bad post and not a scummy post to me

faking his interest

Even if I were "insert party here", I wouldn't actually understand any of the mechanics involved so I'd be

genuinely

interested anyway

scum informed

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scum informed

town and not informed

i mean yreah

i was just saying that scum might have like, setup information. which i dont think is unrealistic to think is possible so the curiosity would be like less there

pedit: eh...

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I'm an informed townie who knows there's at least one player not aligned with the town currently alive.

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do what u will with this info

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okay... wig

pedit: okay... wig

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i finally get to achieve my dream of policy lynching worst while advancing my wincon!

probably, at least

are you guys only hiding scumreads or just like all reads in general

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are you guys only hiding scumreads or just like all reads in general

We're not outing shit.

work okay

gonna have fun not playing with you ahiru-tan

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Grow up.

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it's also not +EV to lynch a survivor until day-before-lylo because they count as mislynches when it comes to town wincon :grimace:

im gonna ballpark and say if we dont catch any scum until D3 we look into that unless there's a vig in which case idk - also im pretty sure the 3p is probably tied to the setup's unique mechanic so we probably dont want to lynch there anyway?

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wow there's like 4 non-slots today thats actually pretty cool

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this is a stupid conversation, you dont take a 0% chance to lynch mafia over a >0% chance to lynch mafia on D1

yes, if we're close to lylo it's an inevitable policy lynch but let's just let the chips fall where they may and let the survivor play optimally so they dont get shot by scum

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VOTE: ElevenThirty

i wanted to save this read for later when people like actually checked in but literally every post skitter makes makes me want to eviscerate the slot more and more

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also im dayvigging the next person to talk about the survivor claim

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I feel like you guys are misunderstanding a very simple thing.

it's deliberate

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At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

the point

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your head

how do you feel about 1130?

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a survivor has every intent to survive - theyre going to help us get a majority lynch if we dont have enough votes because they dont care about who gets lynched, we can basically treat their reads/usefulness as effectively random as your average townie. outside of lylo we know theyre not going to quickhammer because that's tantamount to a policy lynch the next day. i fully expect them to be civilized and at least helpful in terms of getting votes together if it's needed to get a majority.

the annoying thing about ms meta is that somehow people think that lynching non-killing 3p day 1 is a good thing because it's not town? which in turn lets scum get "towncred" from lynching "scum" when really it was just a policy lynch that helps town wincon barely anymore than a mislynch. sure basically playing in evens sucks but also having one less slot to read increases our chance of actually hitting groupscum

so, i wholly disagree that scum have any incentive to keep the survivor alive D1 - the vast majority of people are going to want to kill it, so scum are going to want to blend in. i'd rather hit groupscum today and if we keep messing up to the point where we're realistically going to hit lylo in a day or two, then it's time to policy the survivor

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not voting (15): YAYVIDEOGAMES, NotMySpamAccount, Fuscosco, ElevenThirty, The Three Musketeers, mastina, Togeloo, Chickadee, Chickadead, KidAmn, Vorkuta, Wh4t, Old Dogs, Voted, ZZZX

actually with the 3 slots out of the game in addition only having to sort 11 slots is a net positive

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*in addition to the survivor

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oh i guess we still need 8 votes to lynch, nvm thats disgusting

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You didn't answered my question - what is your plan, if we don't get consensus at EoD?

Also, there's 14 slots (including survivor) to sort, it's 18p game

when do you ever have a "plan" for what to do at eod - if you cant agree on a lynch you compromise, and im sure the survivor will vote with the majority at deadline

and mb, so that's not as gross if we have 13 other slots and 15 votes

pedit: our wincons dont align at all (survivor's is to just live) but that doesnt mean we should kill them

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like compromising onto the survivor is horrible if you're leading me onto that answer, there are slots that can actually flip mafia that can be compromised onto

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Indeed, also those other slots can flip town too, why that's not a concern to you at all?

ramcius you've played mafia before LMAO

yes, ofc they can flip town, thats why i said i'd rather take a >0% chance of a scumflip over a 0% chance of a scumflip.

im glad we came full circle

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See, that's the difference between you and me - you want to try lynch scum, I want to eliminate as much lose conditions as I can

we can vote out the survivor when it's almost lylo and thus an actual lose condition, for now let's take advantage of the extra vote, aight?

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Considering we have no clue on scum numbers and 3p numbers it's hard to predict, when it will be this "almost LYLO"

Also, what chances we have to find all scum before this "almost LYLO" happens in your opinion?

18 player game so we should start talking about it after 2 mislynches, and it's happened before in past large games so it can happen here. let's just play the game and let the setup speak for itself

Can we stop clogging the thread with hypotheticals?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the meanwhile, let's townhunt instead of discussing when and how best to lynch the survivor (*smh*)

why townhunt when we can scumhunt

i think ramcius (musketeers) is town and 1130 is scum tho so i guess im getting stuff done in both lol

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A single, hardclaimed survivor is not multiball LMAO

if this were actual multiball you'd be right because scumhunting is easier for scum who only have to find one team, but im pretty sure the setup has to be 3 or 4 mafia + 14 or 13 town + 1 survivor thats probably linked to the main gimmick of the setup. ie there's only one team to look for so it doesnt really matter

still thats not important - if youre townhunting who have you townhunted so far?

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single, hardclaimed survivor is not multiball

You've uuhh read the description of this game yes?

honey........ lmao

multitasking is not multiball fsjadlkfjad;slfja;k

Oh i think ur pretty townie, i want to know why *old dogs* thinks ur townie - i'm using this to get inside their head, and read *them*, not u

i think the way ramcius decided to argue with me, pressure me, and ultimately come to an understanding is a very clear town mindset

I remeber reading somewhere about the game having multiple third parties.. And the fact that with the 3 we can't vote being clearly mentioned as indefinite it does tell us some questions of what that means for other parties. And this it's easier to think about town hunting and the people who clearly don't care about the town win.

there's nothing that says that there's more than one 3rd party, just that there's a "scary 3rd party element" (which is also why i think the survivor is linked to the main gimmick of the setup). there's also... no such thing as a town-aligned survivor? all survivors are just third parties. and i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that that slot is a serial killer, claiming anything that eventually spells your doom as serial killer (vig and survivor mainly) are horrible claims that basically ensure autoloss unless you get to a situation where town is forced to pick between giving the sk the win or the mafia the win - which isnt going to happen this setup after 2 mislynches

gonna save my skitter scumread for a new post

pedit:

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because a survivor does not necessarily know if there's going to be multiple kills during the night, but if there's suddenly 3 nks, guess who everyone's first suspect for serial killer is going to be? good thing we're policy lynching them too huh

pedit: i feel like i'm beating a dead horse but okay

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i mean, getting lynched during the day is just as much against ur wincon as getting nk'd at night
and my point is that your'e significantly more concerned about the latter than the former, and the way you're planning on playing reflects that - and it goes directly against *my* wincon, which makes me significantly less likely to do anything to try to prevent your lynch.

like yeah, you need to play to your own wincon, but you need to keep in mind the wincon of the many other people in this game too - not just the scum who can nk you at ngiht, but also the town who can lynch you during the day. i can't do anything about the former, but i'm prob going to have a decent amount of sway over the latter, and i have basically no reason to help u if you're not going to help *me*.

basically i'm telling you that you need to not piss off town as a survivor too, and you kinda did that

who am i talking to btw?

anyway this is a yikes post

asking someone who's not town to "be cooperative" by giving reads is kind of a bizarre concept, since it's part of a survivor's wincon to try to stay alive, how are you supposed to know that the reads they give are genuine in the first place? they might lie about reads so that scum don't nightkill them if they think theyre on the right path, and it's not like the only way to contribute to a game of mafia is by pushing reads.

i also feel like the way skitter is just... thinking? this whole game is giving me hives, am i really the only one who's getting gut pangs from her. i suspected her from her vortuka post on but this was kind of the tipping point since earlier i didnt want to show my hand just yet

also to people saying "oh i agree with x about the survivor thing so theyre town," just going to point out as chickadead did that scum and town have every reason to approach this in the same way. there isnt really anything townie about wanting to lynch a survivor claim, the discussion is purely mechanical. not saying your townread is invalid or whatever but like just keep that in mind because the "x is thinking the same way as me" towntell is supposed to be about uninformedness, not mechanics.

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i feel like i'm beating a dead horse but okay

anyway

i agree with RAS that the optimal play for survivor is to immediately hardclaim and vote with town (ideally against scum). as a survivor you basically have to pick between dying at town's hands via lynch or scum via nightkill by how pro-town or pro-scum you play. the thing is, if you choose to play pro-town and don't successfully vote out enough scum, town is forced to policy lynch you so that you dont vote a townslot in lylo and give scum a free win. so the best way to play the lose-lose situation here is to avoid the nightkill because that can at least be ensured. if a survivor tries to lead town or do anything that might make them a threat to scum, they instantly become a contender for the nightkill since not nightkilling them when they would be the nightkill of choice in a townslot is basically playing with fire.

ms meta is usually to kill third parties unless it's utterly stupid to in which case everyone will want to leash a serial killer or spare the survivor that claims in lylo i find - so i'd never actually claim survivor D1 as groupscum in some sort of gambit and i dont want my presence known as a serial killer and tipping off that i'm a 3rd party will make people suspicious when the games starts to point towards a serial killer existing. im assuming in good faith that because we're confirmed to have a 3p that this isn't a fakeclaim from town either.

so, sure, we can just speed things up and lynch the survivor claim today since we probably will down the line because it's unlikely we'll play a perfect game. there's a few catches with that though:

• we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless
  
• we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.
  
• the 3p very likely is important to the main gimmick of the setup, which i assume we universally have little knowledge on. i'd rather see what that connection is before lynching them in case it's useful for town

with that slot very likely not having the ability to kill, we should take the fact that they cleared themselves as not group scum as their contribution to town for the day and look elsewhere. even if we hit town it's more productive for the gamestate because it at least can lead to finding scum in the next days.

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i mean that's fair then i guess

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i highly doubt this game was compromised

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a) does it concern u at all that you're like ... the only person who wasn't concerned by the survivor claim ? it concerns me. like i like three musketeers; they're pov matched mine like a lot and the way they explained it was townie af. same with zzzx. yours i feel like i can't track at all

a) are we pretending vorkuta doesnt exist or

also why would that ever concern me? sometimes the majority is wrong about things

and it's in the way you're pushing it - i really dont know how to explain it beyond gut. but the things you're reacting to + when feel extremely wrong

b) the reason theyre giving you to not lynch them is that theyre not groupscum - thats a good reason for D1, but yeah if we mislynch a lot that changes. i think obfuscating our wincondition with ambiguous reads is even more detrimental to town wincon

c) i dont expect you to respond to a gutread and nor would anyone else, sorry

d) i know, it's just a dumb thing to talk about in general because that means we're compromising with group scum

e) im talking to the entire playerlist because it's a recurring sentiment across everyone who's posted, not just you

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Obviously there's going to be quite a bit more than our survivor, and I'm assuming that it'd be more productive to approach this game like a multi-ball game rather than a traditional single ball game.

i think multiball is universally hated and most people would want to know what theyre getting into before /inning if it is multiball

i wont stop you from gamesolving your way though i only mentioned the townhunting thing to tease you lol

how do u feel about 1130

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Hey all!

@schadd i'm vla on fridays and saturdays etc

VOTE: vork

I guess the chemist/vengaboys/gamma thing is part of the gimmick of this game; i wouldn't be surprised if they were put in a pt to do .... something while they werent able to post here

- skitter

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oh u just mean the vote itself lmao

i mean yeah i dont like her read on you that much

pedit: wig

btw im a cat

im just being a dog in memorial of transcend

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*shrug*

like, i've seen other survivors play exactly like that offsite. i agree that it's the optimal play and it's similar to how i'd play if i were survivor, and honestly i have a hard time comprehending why it seems so foreign to do that to people here? i would be defending that slot not being lynched D1 as either alignment just because i dont like to lie about mechanics early game as scum

and like, i get why you voted vort and absolutely can see you do it as town, im just trending it as more likely to be from scum - like a 55/45 sort of thing. it's why i just random voted instead of went straight to pushing you

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for a technically 14 player game the activity this game is surprisingly stark

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do u still dislike playing scum btw?

never didnt dislike playing scum but i prefer town

if you're trying to activity read me dont,,,,,,,,,,,,, ive been useless as town before, ive been hyperactive as scum before

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never didnt dislike

fjdlfajdl fucking double negatives

never didnt like*

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I'm actually willing to lynch a jester on D1 provided we don't lose as a result

I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

The game is advertised as heavily 3rd party. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't even a mafia team. So yeah, unless someone scumslips, I'm voting any antitown element.

I'm actually willing to lynch a jester on D1 provided we don't lose as a result

I think that this is a wise decision.

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i wanna make sure my years of sniffing glue didnt get to me so im going to double check but im 99% sure that there was never any mention of there being multiple guaranteed 3rd parties

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"everyone will be multitasking. there will be between 0 and 1 redirection abilities. it is not really role madness. no psychologist". everything has daytalk. sugar drinks / etc. have no adverse long-term health effects (just in this game! not in general)

warning: this game has considerable third party element(s); if youve ever had the thought "damn i wish i weren't a third party this game" or "i hate dealing with this fucking third party. i'm gonna go smoke weed so that i stop being mad about it" this game might not be for you. also you should have 2 completed non-newbie games on the account you sign up with.

it's Entirely Possible the survivor is the only 3p - toog vort & others who keep saying theres multiple 3rd parties: why

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Let me give a few counter-points...

we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless

Day 1 is also the day where town shoots itself in the proverbial foot the hardest. They are more likely to lynch one of their own than any other alignment, and they are likely to bring out a few claims along the way. Going into Night 1 with a quick lynch of an anti-town element means that no one person has presented themselves as a major threat for night killing, role-blocking, or other shenanigans. Assuming some sort of power exists in this game, Night 1 can bring a lot of information to bear for discussion on Day 2 depending on how the evening plays out and whether or not information is worth sharing. Stances can just as easily form on Day 2 based around the kill(s) and power results, and work out in such a way that we can skip any kind of random dance phase and assume a Night 0 had happened instead.

we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.

Scum typically only bus when their team requires it, so I wouldn't expect a full on scum bus on Day 1 in most cases.
However, Town also gets to save information based on their roles so any shot(s) tonight would be taken based on fear of a player slot, which depending on who is what role, could cause overlap if we have multiple factions. Assuming any exist, Serial Killers will be the most blind since they would literally be shooting in the dark.

town shooting themselves in the foot D1 provides information for later days, this is the only day where people are almost entirely uninformed so i hardly see why a forced night start is better. prs can make better decisions with their roles with that same information, too. if what you were saying were at all correct no lynching in normal games would be considered optimal - it's not

i think you misunderstood my second point bc i absolutely dont grok the relevance of your response

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also if your first instinct at seeing a survivor claim D1 is to policy lynch it i do wonder why you'd join a game where we were explicitly told that if u ever had the thought "i hate dealing with this fucking third party" that Maybe you shouldn't have /inned for the game

not meant to be a personal attack @ anyone, moreso an explanation for why i think the 3p is explicitly tied to the Mystery of this iteration of The Mystery Box of Silver

pedit: being directly tied to the setup gimmick seems considerable to me?

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this was also advertised as not role madness and i would think a lot of 3p = getting into role madness territory

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anyway, for things i actually care about:

mastina talk to me about your chickadee read? i was townreading her. otherwise we're basically on the same page, maybe vorkuta is closer to null

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Ahhhh, a forming wagoon!
VOTE: old dogs

0/8=scum, 8/8=town

YAYVIDEOGAMES -nothing towny, no tries to solve the game 3/8
NotMySpamAccount - 1 posts, shares same reads, 4.5/8
Fuscosco - nothing towny, no tries to solve the game 3/8
ElevenThirty - posts few reads, but whisout reasoning, reacts on survivour same way I do (wants him to post reads), also tries to make game not stuck in survivour discussion. 5/8
The Three Musketeers {
Aramis - No posts which helps town, no reads, only pushes survivour, setting his mislynch. 1/8
D'artagnan - only one post, then nothing. 4/8
Porthos - only off topic posts, 3/8
Athos - not here 4/8 } - 1/8

mastina - I want more information about her readslist. How strong it is.
Toogeloo - same as Aramis 1/8

Spoiler:

Vote: Chickadead

Unless someone scum slips, I'm not changing my vote.

I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

Let me give a few counter-points...

we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless

Day 1 is also the day where town shoots itself in the proverbial foot the hardest. They are more likely to lynch one of their own than any other alignment, and they are likely to bring out a few claims along the way. Going into Night 1 with a quick lynch of an anti-town element means that no one person has presented themselves as a major threat for night killing, role-blocking, or other shenanigans. Assuming some sort of power exists in this game, Night 1 can bring a lot of information to bear for discussion on Day 2 depending on how the evening plays out and whether or not information is worth sharing. Stances can just as easily form on Day 2 based around the kill(s) and power results, and work out in such a way that we can skip any kind of random dance phase and assume a Night 0 had happened instead.

we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.

Scum typically only bus when their team requires it, so I wouldn't expect a full on scum bus on Day 1 in most cases.
However, Town also gets to save information based on their roles so any shot(s) tonight would be taken based on fear of a player slot, which depending on who is what role, could cause overlap if we have multiple factions. Assuming any exist, Serial Killers will be the most blind since they would literally be shooting in the dark.

the 3p very likely is important to the main gimmick of the setup, which i assume we universally have little knowledge on. i'd rather see what that connection is before lynching them in case it's useful for town

The setup has been advertised as having multiple third parties, which means that as town, we want as many gone as we can in order to remove the swing potential of the game.

I don't want to give people place to reads sameone as scum.

Do I understand the meaning of two posts correctly?

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UNVOTE: , will post more later; will decide whether I want push (and vote) musketeers or Toogeloo (or sameone else) later.

Seems like an RVS wagonning post and just forgetting, doesnt seem particularly interesting to me

Do you make anything of it?

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Dunno, but his readlist being hot mess puts him in my scum leans for now

Seems more bad than scum to me, could be scum ig but i think 1130 is a spicier and better vote

Irrelephant has yet to post btw fusc, u should still vote them with me

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I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

The game is advertised as heavily 3rd party. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't even a mafia team. So yeah, unless someone scumslips, I'm voting any antitown element.

I am pretty sure that this game has an obligatory anti-town role.
Survivour is not an obligatory anti-town.
We want to lynch sameone who is likely to be obligatory anti-town than survivour.
You don't try to find obligatory anti-town. Instead your only activity is pushing survivour claim.
So you don't play to town wincon.

So you are taking a non-town player's claim at face value and 100% believing it. Understood.

I mean, my mind instantly jumped from "I have a night action that protects me" (ie, he does something and is therefore protected) to "hey, this guy could be a bullet proof serial killer giving an excuse to kill.". It's a bit extreme, sure, but can you really trust any 3rd party claim? They are in it for themselves after all.

okay so we see a second kill on someone who isnt a reasonable vig shot and we lynch the survivor claim, like... this is not a real concern /:

i doubt sk claims survivor anyway but it seems like the safe play if we dont think theres a vig

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So survivor claim this early. Simply my thoughts are:

I am ignoring this claim and will proceed by ignoring it. I'd this person refuses to take part as a member of the town we should lynch them. Your win condition is to survive and if you don't cooperate you will get the noose before you get the gun. Sounds simple?

Im not willing to commit to a vorkuta scumread yet but this is good stuff.

What does this have to do with Vork? Im pretty sure the whole thing is abt ZZZX

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Zzzzx should be the survivor claim sorry

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What does this have to do with Vork? Im pretty sure the whole thing is abt ZZZX

the post contains vortuka content?

I mean yeah but you didnt highlight it lol

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I had to be told

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You forgot the most active slot in the game in it lol

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Voted wdym by Aramis (Ramcius) “setting his mislynch”?

Also yea this is a far more legible post

pedit: p likely imo

Toogs if u think the discussion is stale why not vote for scumreads and comment on the ones people have been giving? I know u just outted a townread but you really arent helping the discussion not be stale by voteparking a survivor claim and only giving a tr that i think in of itself is kind of questionable?

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Voted

wdym

by Aramis (Ramcius) “setting his mislynch”?

I don't understand.

Short for “what do you mean”

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I still dont really get it - i guess maybe showing me where hes doing that + why it’s bad would help?

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i think old dogs is prob town now

(it's only been katy posting, right?)

habeas corpus i am a lawyer

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I personally think that the 3rd parties (purely based on the way schadd hyped it up early on) are more dangerous to that core!scum is

My thoughts as well, but keep it shushed or you might get scum read for it.

i'll take the L if theres more than just a survivor thats important to the game's mechanic but if there IS a dangerous 3p theyre not outing themselves as 3p

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who's even scumreading people for thinking 3p are dangerous toog

i think your vote is useless, sure, but i dont actually have a read on you

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still v unhappy with skitter's posting

i dont think voted is really that scummy and fully expect them to be lynchbait now. chickadee dont take the fruit

also wh4t is an alt not a newbie

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I'm not taking the fruit, but I do want to push them to be better and think critically about what they're posting. I don't think they're scum, I just think they're bad.

oh okay, had the wrong impression from ur pressure but thats valid

do u have any scumreads yet

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wh4t is an alt not a newbie

Have I made your acquaintance?

it's okay i wont out you

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Did anything interesting happen while I was gone?

~ Pichu

not really, do you scumread anyone? if no, do you have townreads?

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My vote is entirely serious.

~ Pichu

lmao i forgot lemme read ur reasoning

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i agree he's a hypocrite i dont know if being useless is ai in this gamestate

vort am i your scumread still

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If I was scumreading people for being useless, I'd be scumreading 2/3 of the game essentially because of how badly the survivor discussion derailed the game.

i get that, hence agreeing w being a hypocrite

i'd like to poke at him to see if he has real reads

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b) esp since you don't really seem to give a fuck about how your'e perceived here or even like... necessarily cooeprating with people; as scum you seem to be hyperaware of who you need to work with and who you need to be trying to mislynch and you don't feel like you're reading/approaching the game through that lens rn

you'd notice this already? and what gives you that impression

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sorry, i'm confused now, who am i talking to?

old dogs

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"why this game is boring"

Old Dogs (1): Vorkuta
mastina (1): NotMySpamAccount
ElevenThirty (1): Old Dogs
YAYVIDEOGAMES (1): the worst
the worst (1): Toogeloo
Vorkuta (1): YAYVIDEOGAMES
Wh4t (1): Voted
Voted (1): ZZZX

VOTE: vork

unless ank would like to vote 1130

pedit: I guess that's fair, meh

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nonono let's get back on

VOTE: eleventhirty

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1130 is by far my preferred option, vork is probably the only wagon im okay with out of the options

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Does it nullify the fact that wh4t's own meta is greeting 100% as scum and only 3/7 times as town? (ignoring the fact that we have low data so the statistic is not entiry bulletproof)?

Probably?

And skitter is the current holder of the Don Corleone if i'm not mistaken. she definitely was given it before, and also her first game on site (which i was in!) she played a vv strong scumgame and only lost because a lot of town were mechanically cleared and she had to mislynch me, and i have a record of only getting mislynched 2 times in 5 years (once because someone was gamethrowing in lylo, other time was fully deserved tho)

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i dont want the slot paranoia lynched though i just think her content feels off - it's hard for me to put a finger on what exactly but i genuinely wish i could articulate it better

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i guess that's only fair

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There's a difference between uncooperative and playing to my win condition. You're not being very cooperative by focusing on my claim instead of focusing on other things (waiting on other people to post, scum hunting, etc.), so that's a bit ironic coming from you. There's no evidence that focusing on my slot will help you going forward, and it feels like you're just posting for the sake of posting.

you're not being cooperative by refusing to share scumreads, i mean seriously

i felt like here you'd get the point if you didnt have an agenda of some sort

Oh i think ur pretty townie, i want to know why *old dogs* thinks ur townie - i'm using this to get inside their head, and read *them*, not u

this felt like a weird question to ask in your slot's trajectory, if you townread me at the time, why does this matter? if you started scumreading me, why did that have to wait for zzzx to vote me?

oh cool zzzx is prob town

VOTE: old dogs

also irrel is not going to be able to play for the next few days so it's just going to be for the forseeable future;
i'll start signing when he gets back

i dont think zzzx's posting was that townie and i still dont

a) does it concern u at all that you're like ... the only person who wasn't concerned by the survivor claim ? it concerns me. like i like three musketeers; they're pov matched mine like a lot and the way they explained it was townie af. same with zzzx. yours i feel like i can't track at all

"arent you concerned that you're the only one not worrying about the survivor claim" is a really scummy way to approach my slot esp since ive firmly explained my stance multiple times, it's not like i didnt have a leg to stand on and was being passive about it. it feels like you're trying to push this as scum indicative because zzzx feeling okay voting there made me mislynchable in your eyes which is kind of wack

i also feel like you're giving out townreads at a probably unusual speed - i was going to ham up this point w ankhydra but your read was like fair enough so i didnt really care enough to

oh cool we have an avi now

maybe irrelevant but did irrelephant put the avatar on?

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if you started scumreading me, why did that have to wait for zzzx to vote me?

to clarify, i mean that you outing that you scumread me (by voting) waited for zzzx, not asking this question. hence the ambiguity of what your read on me was at the time

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After work (eh or maybe during work, but definitely later today)

thats fine, this is a slow game for a large

i kind of didnt want to explain my read more until kid posted but w/e this game is kinda meh

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i dont want the slot paranoia lynched though i just think her content feels off - it's hard for me to put a finger on what exactly but i genuinely wish i could articulate it better

If you find it off then putting some pressure and setting up a wagon is the way to go, Pressure makes people tell more than they think they want to tell.

I... yeah? Wh

Do you feel i’ve been putting inadequate pressure on her? Otherwise what was the point of this

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Will respond to 439 when im not commuting

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The point made was that thinking about third parties will get you scum read, like Voted's list. I am completely baffled that you firmly believe that this is some kind of classic mafia game with a standardized third party presence. The sign ups literally say "if youve ever had the thought "damn i wish i weren't a third party this game" or "i hate dealing with this fucking third party. i'm gonna go smoke weed so that i stop being mad about it" this game might not be for you, and my signup had me stating (sarcastically) that I didn't want to roll third party and the mod called me out on it.

If there arent group scum it’s not mafia, the way to deal with 3rd parties isnt to votepark a survivor claim because the ones that tell you’re theyre 3p aren’t endgaming town

I dont think nmsa’s being afk was scum indictative at all, so has your read there updated w the replacement? (Havent read their posts myself)

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@schadd_

just wondering, but i was not aware my slot ever posted before i joined the game yet ive had a vote on YVG for a couple vote counts now. am i missing something?

... how is this a real thought you have after readng the first 7 pages of the game ...

am i the only one who put 2+2 together lol, he only checked for worst’s posts bc he didnt know about the hydra

Zeebu, if you’re a survivor for real it’s pro-your wincon to affirm your claim of ALIGNMENT and only alignment - people are going to just assume that either you’re a survivor or RAS decided to lie as scum - the former case isnt getting lynched in the day nor shot at night, and anyone who believes the latter is going to want to lynch you or vig you, so ¿¿¿

Lol if ras was fakeclaiming town....

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Insomnia’s pretty town so far i think but i’d like to hear why he likes skitter thus far ¿

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Also what is it with hydra heads being absent

Irrelephant11,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I think titus is sick irl, i havent heard from her in a while and i havent seen her post elsewhere onsite afaik

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I mean i elaborate if you havent caught up

But i dont rly see what the significance of not having substance to a gutread is, thats kind of the point

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Assuming I know how to check a role pm, in what world would I respond the way I have at all if my role was what chickadead claimed? For what it’s worth, my role pm is green.

in a world you're a new player who doesnt know proper survivor play - though based on the mechanics talk that plagued the early game most people dont ?? which is weird ive never even been in a game with a survivor lmao it just seems like common sense

so you're claiming town?

pedit: yeah thats what im feeling as well but i just want to make sure

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like by "not proper survivor play" i mean claiming town to avoid the policy lynch which, if that slot is in fact a survivor, is what i anticipate is happening rn

i think regardless we have to pl the slot endgame but thats a bridge we'll burn when we get there

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If you would’ve read in context and not just iso, you would’ve figured out that in context these posts don’t have anything scummy to them, Voted pulled a shit fps play on me and he said he put me at L-2 and asked me if I “stick to my bg claim that my slot claimed” which he never did.

ive only played one game with skitter but........... i really dont think she'd do that as town :/

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also im a hyposomniac and i crashed yday and had to catch up on rl things i slept through so i can address skitter's wall now wig

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aye insomnia feels different here

in a good way or bad way

i read in some post game that he has a v distinctive meta but hes also claiming shaking up playstyles so im not sure what this means

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im mostly reading insomniac as town because shaking up the gamestate (on days i do nothing here and come back im now finding that there's pages! wow!) and actually making sense and not in a scum-knowing-the-answers way if that makes sense

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b) did you really think think that you were imminently getting lynched there?
c) why would i need you to defend me ... why would i view this is a loss ... why is 'now i won't be defended by you' a response to me saying these posts are weird ...?

skitter...

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also i think the transition from "not reading skitter" > *gets pushed by skitter* > "okay time to scumread skitter but i dont want to vote her " is probably not something i'd want to fake as scum, i feel like he could have entered the thread just defending skitter and calling me shit town or something, or even go against the grain and say im scum for real !!

now onto the wall i procrastinated on

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don't have an agenda, like i said i was kinda annoyed by the attitude they had wrt claiming survivor and announcing that they would not be giving scumreads and i felt th eneed to emphasize it cuz i was annoyed

the point was already driven though is my gripe. ras felt the optimal play was the same as i do and play survivor by getting in neither side's way while helping town by removing yourself from the lynchpool

wasn't townreading you at the time, was trying to figure out if i was scumreading you

i don't understand what zzzx has to do with anything, they posted for the first time after quote you're talking about

i was townreading 3 musketeers at the time because they had a *really* similar reaction to me wrt the survivor thing. you were townreading them, but scumreading me, so i was trying to understand the thought process that led to different conclusions, so i asked you why you were townreading them

when did you stop townreading me at this point? when we were talking about vork you said i was town and you didnt out a contradictory read until apparently you asked me that question. can u identify for me when u changed ur mind?

again, it was because of how they were appraoching the survivor thing - it felt really similar to how *i* approached it and i find it encouraging when people approach things the same i do - i know i'm town and that my thought process is town, so if they're thinking about it the same way it feels + town to me because i know that they're thinking about it in a way that i know a townie might

i will say that i'm kinda losing the townread on both slots (zzzx and 3 musketeers) since the

i believe i said this already but "same thoughts about survivor as me!" really shouldnt be a towntell, it's like saying you townread someone because you both feel like cops should out guilties as soon as they get them or something. it's a mechanical thing people are going to always feel the same about as either alignment, at worst they can hide behind whatever opinion they have and contribute nothing to the gamestate (*cough*)

it didn't feel like a natural thought process to me

well what seemed unnatural about it? the fact you disagreed...? idrk what else would imply im faking it honestly

a) my posting style's changed a lot since my first game on site! this is pretty typical of me these days and i'm a lot more stream-of-conscious-y and just kinda say what i'm thinking; don't wall quite as much anymore; i rely a lot on more gut/feelings than like deliberate logic most of the time now
i just kinda announce townreads whenever i have them (and scumreads too)
b) idk whyat you mean by hamming it up with ankhydra but didn't mean to mess up anything, she just seemed town so i said it

willing to be wrong abt this and that's fine! i think im even worse at mafia now lmao i used to be better at like personality profiles and stuff but i just lost all that chutzpah the year before

by hamming it up i meant me driving the point home more, there isnt really much to it other than "hm, skitter seems to be coming to conclusions faster than i probably would feel comfortable in her position" which is kind of a weak read and honestly personality dependent. i think there is some merit to looking to how quickly someone forms snap reads (like, i generally try to make sure im reading every post from every slot as something unless i really feel it's NAI so i form reads quickly usually), like for example schadd pointed out to me during marathon weekend that while both town!me and scum!me both form reads quickly and are generally loud and pushy, scum!me is a lot faster and more confident about it as well.

(I almost had a heart attack and clicked x on this tab fjasldfjasdl;fjasld;fja;dfjadf thank GOD ctrl-shift-t brings back up what ur typing)

ya, we didn't have one that morning, i posted, and noticed that we did so i mentioned it

hE DUCKING THIS SMOKE

oh word, has he said anything in your pt/discord/dms/whatever? restating that titus has basically said nothing other than saying cool when i told her the account's password

i had the right sessionbox open but i think remaking the tab fucked with that

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anyway why did i procrastinate on that that didnt even take that long to write lol

reserving commentary on zzzx pushing voted btw for when the wagon grows/doesnt grow, kind of curious to see who 1130 is counterwagonned by because im not even sure who's viable besides zeebu?

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we are lynching him down the line almost 100% of the time but i think the chances of him being groupscum are astronomically low

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Is tone reading a reliable source to reading skitter? Cuz she feels REALLY off and her case doesn’t help.

i have no idea but im glad you finally see it lMOA

i mean tbf ive only seen scum her and like years ago (ive spectated games but i wouldnt say i know how to read her well) but she feels vvv yikes

and i mean thats what i gathered lol but "very different" was how someone put it iirc so

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chickadee could be scum because im townreading a lot of the table atp but shes usually a lynchbaity player for this type of play so eh :/ - i townread her first post and then she's kind of fizzled from there

chick can you talk to me about how ank's hydra is in the same tier of town as voted and me? i have them as null for the most part and im not super familiar with ank so honestly whenever i see a tr on them i feel kind of bewildered. i suppose skitter's read is fair but other than that im getting question marks all around her

i want to believe that if ur town you're putting in the legwork of townhunting as you said but im seeing v little of it besides you questioning voted and interacting with insomnia a bit so it's hard for me to be confident

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-He's sheeping Old Dogs, who seems pretty consensus town, at least based on the ISOs I've read. Scum love to sheep obvtown who have a bad read

i....................................................................

irrelephant how about you just read the game? for 7 days of a large it's a short read that u can realistically get done in an hour or three

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yes

ramcius has done literally all the posting for this game though so

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im skeptical that actually means anything

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my favorite part abt this push is that ank is the only one doing anything in her hydra lmao

ank u didnt think ramcius arguing with me about the survivor claim and then understanding what i meant was townie?

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i think the real reason that they want to lynch musketeers is that alisae doesnt like ramcius :thonking:

or am i misremembering that

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i was joking abt that hence the thonk

but

i think its entirely plausible that they just? didnt care about this game? like hydra apathy happens all the time lol

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!!!

is fuscosco an alt of pisskop?

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cool!

piss let's talk:

vote 1130? you said a post changes based on whether skitter or irrelephant posted it and idr the followup tho so i'd like to also know about that. if u dont want to vote them lmk why u townread them

vork: scum or nah? thats my alternate pick and i feel u would have Insight there

i would like to just powerwagon someone and see what happens and i think you're lightly town here so

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actually here's my readlist eddie cane style (or is it mastina style? when i think mastina i think curly braces tbh)

i think vork and 1130 are the only actual scumreads here, kidamn is sort of but i could easily change my mind on this. but i'd be happy to like, actively wagon toog down and would probably begrudgingly compromise on zzzx down eod

zeebu im treating as survivor regardless of whether or not it's a gambit and not voting D1

Voted
Insomnia
Musketeers
Wh4t
mastina
Fuscosco
ZZZX
Chickadee
YAYVIDEOGAMES
Toogeloo
KidAmn
Vorkuta
1130

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wh4t, insomnia, and voted i'd also like to try to find common ground, i think all 3 of us disagree on our top choice so let's try to hash that out (musketeers is town im p sure i think ramcius pushes me harder if he's scum since i wasnt widely townread yet, chickadee could be scum but Eh, im happy with voted's vote)

pedit: you caught me (cleverly) in your trap...

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ank is pichu and is the only head in that hydra today basically

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wh4t, insomnia, and voted i'd also like to try to find common ground, i think all 3 of us disagree on our top choice so let's try to hash that out (musketeers is town im p sure i think ramcius pushes me harder if he's scum since i wasnt widely townread yet, chickadee could be scum but Eh, im happy with voted's vote)

not sure why i didnt include musketeers wig

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cool!

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If I was scum, I'd considered pocketing you, not picking fight with you

i mean i could argue that you trying to pressure me is that lmao but yeah i think the whole argue > decide to compromise is town

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E

Whats poppin

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Okay that didnt highlight correctly but why did that change ank

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it is. i may or may not use that alt again. im not incredibly fond of logging out of and into accounts.

Use sessionbox!

And on mobile a second browser

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I think it’s easier for d1 at least to treat this as a normal mafia game as much as humanely possible - there has to be at least 2 groupscum bc otherwise this wouldnt be a mafia game

I understand not wanting 3ps to win/coast/whatever but thats playing to not lose, which in a team game can never really work out unless you have no other options. Lynching groupscum today, or trying to, is playing to win

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what kinds of groupscum exist besides groupscum

werewolves are identical to mafia? What else could there be

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Ugh arsonist/poisoner are the worst kinds of sk

But yea that doesnt account for The Mystery Box, more than likely town is all vanilla or someone had a weird unconventional role. I probably shpuld actually look at my friend’s setup’s past iterations lol

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Oh i guess cult is Possible but

I hope schadd is better than that

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Nvm game is 100% not bastard no cults

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Oh thank god

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Vork if this were a fake dayvig hedve done it way earlier

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No lmao ive been fake vigged by scum before and reacted just like u LMAO

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Er as scum*

The person who vigged me was inno’d lol

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Why dont u b the exception

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Thats me asking u to be useful not to claim

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I’ll eagerly be waiting

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replacing kidamn.

Wig

hopefully the game can Start for Real now

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im gonna hop on one of these bandwagons once i see the votecount

#lazy posting

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Chickadee (5): The Three Musketeers, insomnia, pisskop, Vorkuta, zeebu

Wow the Wagon Acceleration

i only dont like vork though hm

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Then I'll ask you a question - why do you think Toog would try to pick fight with Old dogs early D1 by proposing survivor claim quicklynch?

~Aramis

uh

i am taking that as just their personal view on survivor play, i agree thats null. the only thing really that can be considered sus about toog is that they havent really done much besides the survivor vote and dont intend on voting anywhere else

townhunting (both on chickadee's and toog's part) is like... okay... but if you're not pressuring people to do things it's hard to tell if it's scum giving easy reads without having to put in legwork or if it's just passive town play

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i completely forgot that chickadead claimed bp/commuter/self protective lol, my stance on survivors is if you Really Want Them Gone vig them like you would any other empty slot

and rhinox the point of RAS's stance is that by playing normally and not claiming survivor/being useful in anyway, you could potentially give scum a reason to want to shoot a survivor. if a survivor is leading lynches on scum scum arent really going to care about the early lylo survivor is meant to give

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VOTE: toog

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toog/chickadee cwing...

both kind of eh slots that are lhf, not to say that they couldnt flip scum but God such typical d1 lynch choices

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as of now, all votes on Toogeloo are removed and none more can be added until day 2.

w... wig,

uh

so what was the final wagon

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if gamma didnt siteflake i wouldnt be surprised if he scumreads me BTW lmao

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Toogeloo (1): ElevenThirty, pisskop, chickadee, old dogs, zeebu

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none more can be added until day 2 which i presume means on toog

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i would be utterly utterly UTTERLY surprised that:

RAS and worst both agree that claiming survivor as a gambit as scum was the right play, AND that scum!zeebu thinks reversing the claim when it doesnt matter if he gets policied as group scum is a good play?? like if he's scum he basically gets to coast for free

also i forgot who said it but we're not ensured anti-town 3p. just 3p in some significant form (still hold that one that is tied into the setup significantly constitutes as this but w/e)

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I took special notice of Old Dogs directing a vig to shoot the survivor without stopping to think that may be a bad idea given

hang on i never did this

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? hhh??

and i forgot meaning i forgot a detail from like, a week ago that isnt really important to me because i dont have killing power not at the time

while not leading lynches is obviously not correct survivor play, scum arent always going to nightkill the person driving every lynch. the point is just to minimize risk. it makes absolute sense to, as a survivor, do absolutely nothing but claim because provided town buys your claim you help by reducing the lynchpool. you policy survivors midgame so that scum cant coast on a survivor claim unless you're lynching scum frequently.

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im gonna ballpark and say if we dont catch any scum until D3 we look into that unless there's a vig in which case idk - also im pretty sure the 3p is probably tied to the setup's unique mechanic so we probably dont want to lynch there anyway?

i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that that slot is a serial killer, claiming anything that eventually spells your doom as serial killer (vig and survivor mainly)

okay so we see a second kill on someone who isnt a reasonable vig shot and we lynch the survivor claim, like... this is not a real concern /:

i doubt sk claims survivor anyway but it seems like the safe play if we dont think theres a vig

the former case isnt getting lynched in the day nor shot at night, and anyone who believes the latter is going to want to lynch you or vig you, so ¿¿¿

rhinox could u point out where i directed a vig to shoot zeebu's slot...

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no i was saying that if there's a vig in the setup D3 is a bad estimate because there'd be less mislynches available

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take the fruit

VOTE: 1130

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Also this might be an unpopular opinion but my tinfoil hat is telling me on re-read that katyusha's "lol multitasking isn't multiball" is the SK version of "do scum have daychat?"
But I townread Old Dogs aside from that.
But I would probably townread an SK here.

#justtinfoilythings

-Irrel

okay... wig

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i mean now i buy multiple third parties but i doubt any of them arent variations on survivor or sk

sk is not multiball and i have like, never seen town speculate like you did just there. literally every time i've seen someone push that theyre scum or sk pushing on town

i dont want to demotivate you from playing tho so like, let's talk if im doing that?

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there isnt a game ending lyncher or jester but i guess there could be like, jesters or lynchers.

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also multiple survivors means not mislynching is extremely important

anyway my readlist hasnt really changed from before? lemme c+p it and let u know if anything changed

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Voted
Insomnia
Musketeers
Wh4t - where is she?????????????????? aaaaahhh this read probably is way stronger than it should be
mastina
ZZZX
Fuscosco
Chickadee
YAYVIDEOGAMES
Toogeloo - eh... i kind of buy theyre a 3p
Rhinox - not enthused by catchup so far
Vorkuta - i wouldnt be shocked if this were groupscum hiding behind a 3p soft
1130

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voted/insomnia/musketeers are v confident townreads, i want pisskop to be town but im not vibing that hard w him, wh4t was town until she disappeared, mastina kind of needs to do something before i townread her completely. i think chickadee is a ml now

why is ank being townread in general btw

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i think there's a v fine line between tinfoil and just flat out bullshitting

i understand assuming there's multiple 3p (it was never hard confirmed by setup info, but sure it's believable to assume that) but that doesnt mean that this isn't a mafia game

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though the real tinfoil-related-to-this-not-being-a-mafia-game is that no one is actually scum right now and the 3 people pick who's scum out of the town-aligned players but i think that that's too janky of a setup for that unless theyre also survivors? still jank af and also the trope is kind of overdone and extremely scumsided imo

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this game is definitely lacking skygazer and gamma yeah

i know nothing about chemist but im assuming good things as well

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despite the fact that if we were scum here your gut would ping

you dont know this? ive seen skitter as scum before + was the first to figure it out that game, i mostly townread her because i thought she was completely inexperienced. ive never seen you as town or scum

if you're town you have like every reason to be annoyed at me but nothing you guys have posted cant be faked by scum - and if you're apparently that good at scum you should agree?

also i'd. never play lyncher on your slot like i am rn lmao

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insomnia has what i would call "that funky flow" - i like how he's been getting his hands dirty and actually feels like he's trying to play the game. i dont know if i'd lynch chickadee over vork though but him voting there makes it definitely worth considering for me. if i need to expand i can? how have you guys been hashing out this dissonance

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i think thats the towniest post ive seen from u guys

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let's kill vorkuta i guess

VOTE: vorkuta

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Fps = some sort of reaction test idk

fancy play syndrome

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VOTE: insomnia

Can we do this?

No and especially not in the timeframe we have???

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If u vote outside chick/vorkuta u need damn good reasoning

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but look at some of Vork's ISO.

I think the slot is town.

Hhh?? I dont... see it... bms

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Vengaboys
Chemist1422

NotMySpamAccount/insomnia

Gamma Emerald

i understand why you're putting the nonposters this high + that the order of them is probably arbitrary but is gamma somehow scummier out of them or are they about equal

if so i would like to know why lol

also if you're going to Break Your Rule vote vork

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i think there's a v decent chance he's trying to "act" like a 3p as scum, yes

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im pretty sure i explicitly stated that i believed toog's claim, if this were about pling a 3p i think i'd be transparent about that

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If u vote outside chick/vorkuta u need damn good reasoning

Im grandfathered in?

no

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Reminder we have less than a day

V busy today but i’ll try to check in once if vork becomes unviable somehow

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Who are they? Would you like to tell us which one in the event we lynch you, or if it’s not chickadee when we lynch chickadee

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Depending on how much it is we might be able to talk alternatives! Wowv

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I dont even know what i can do to not make the game suck any more besides just lynching not townie non-3p claims

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every survivor should claim

i still believe this is a mostly regular mafia game in terms of #s but if toog is a vanilla survivor then it's likely theres more vanilla survivors

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also gamma and chemist should give their thoughts! as well as the vengaboys!

with 6 heads posting in a hood n1 im sure theyre bound to have something useful

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oh well that's not very good

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i forgot to mention btw but apparently im v popular? lots happened last night but i cant rly comment on it

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Chickadee (4): The Three Musketeers, insomnia, Vorkuta, Voted

im

fairly confident this is an entirely town wagon which means i supported scum

{voted
insomnia
zeebu
mastina} town

i buy toog's survivor claim

i think i would be fine lynching everyone else

VOTE: chickadee

mastina let's talk about chickadee locktown?

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i forgot to mention btw but apparently im v popular? lots happened last night but i cant rly comment on it

Can I mention that I masonized you last night since I claimed that D1 at least?

yeah, i was visited by you and received a piece of fruit!

i didnt know if you wanted me to out that it was from you so was just trying to be subtle while letting you know that i knew

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not satisfied with that list doggo.


I wknder if townhunting is the right way to do this

it's not because this is normal mafia - townhunting only makes sense if it's multiball which it's not

i still think 1130 is scum for example but im kind of sketched out by a v likely town wagon being the cw to the lynch so i want to look into that

do you have a specific opposition to that list? i dont like it much either but the gamestate kind of sucks still

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I am PRETTY sure that she's town; if you iso her, you might be able to see why I think that.

if it's mechanical im lost

why would scum avoid a chickadee cw if she's town? just to secure vorkuta being lynched?

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i dont think tunnel is a v appropriate way to put it considering im not even voting you?

like im open to being wrong - and i take it over the last 2 days u and irrelephant have yet to hash over your dissonance?

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you scumread musketeers why am i going to trust your read there

voted is vvvvvvvvv obvious town and i refuse to not see that,,

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also where have you been like All Game

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yeah

can you believe it though thats FOUR people that arent going to be able to play

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yeah

can you believe it though thats FOUR people that arent going to be able to play

Sorry who's the 4th person?

if you're going left to right i believe thats denise post-van rijswijk

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fusco town, somnia maybe 3p

*next reads*

what page/spot are you referring to here

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skygazer was nice enough to teach the vengaboys mafia and hydra with them but she's sitting out this game so

pedit: i dont have an issue w piss town i just dont really Vibe with it but like

this game feels fake to me and it's hard for me to townread like, anyone

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mastina's action is NAI as far as i can tell but i think she's town regardless

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i kind of soulread kid shading me before replacing out as scummy so i can buy that... would love to have a Full Catchup from rhinox

like he respects me as a player so talking shit about transcend and indirectly me is just ? what are you trying to accomplish ?

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My dog barks a lot, doesn't mean it's saying anything of value.

oh this was just about me, nothing to do with trans

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I believe that this slot also isn't town but I am waaaaay less convinced it can win with town

are you claiming it's sk despite no additional kill or groupscum fakeclaiming

i genuinely dont understand Why either one of those happen

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are you claiming it's sk despite no additional kill or groupscum fakeclaiming

I was thinking group scum, non-recruitable traitor, something sorta ballpark of groupscum even if not main faction group scum.

actually i guess traitor is reasonable for chickadead's claim but then why does zeebu rescind it if it was meant as a crumb?

pedit: i dont recall that post at all, d1 was kind of a wash. lemme take another look

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im pretty sure that the sequence of events is

ras banned > nothing about it is mentioned in thread besides chickadead's name in vcs being replaced > zeebu sees he replaces worst > zeebu reads chickadead claiming and nothing from worst so he assumes no claim because he didnt pay close attention to the vc

i think it's entirely excusable - i think the slot would be a great choice for a vig but i want to hit groupscum still

also i read zzzx's post and want to pick at it a bit

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but a lynch on survivor is a lynch on a non-scum so I am not worried

i was kind of surprised he was townreading skitter after saying this tbh

"why not 1130" is basically All I Get

though honestly im kind of concerned im writing voted off too early, i still think his wh4 interaction was vvv town but

pedit: as schadd's friend i can personally say he suspected something was up with ras and awestfie and ignored her attempts to join the spectator thread as evident in the sign up thread. the ras slot is almost without a doubt not town while also not scum but i only want to lynch it if we have reason to think it's groupscum. why does a traitor rescind the claim?

also yeah i was kind of skeeved by the unvote as well, but honestly most people suspecting me only cared about mechanics and even ramcius stopped pushing me once we saw eye to eye

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yes but like ... if someone claimed your role (even if you didn't realize it was your slot) wouldn't you notice? that's the part i'm confused about

everyone else is assuming multiple third parties and ras never specified what besides survivor wincon they had so i dont think it's completely unreasonable to say no in this specific circumstance

pedit: RAS did not replace out, he was banned

piss what was off about it besides zeebu?

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ras's play was just calling everyone stupid? am i missing something

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ElevenThirty, YAYVIDEOGAMES, Chickadee, pisskop, Rhinox

so from my pov there's very likely groupscum here jsyk

i like pikachu's posting here a lot so far so this shortlist is getting p thin : o

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mastina is claiming masonizer but i am saying she's not a masonizer. i do know that she targeted me, i have no idea if she's related to the fruit i received

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more later but im way too tired atp