why?
In post 11, Klick wrote:I figure I should claim this sooner rather than later - Bella and I are lovers.
VOTE: Chemist
Fool me once...
also why? i get for the intent of getting out of rvs, but like... why?
In post 12, Bellaphant wrote:
Seems...fake?
Im all for moving out of RVs as soon as possible, but that feels a bit premature
so what exactly is telling you that feels fake?
In post 14, Iconeum wrote:UNVOTE:
okay so it's this kind of game lol
ftr i fully believe that claim because of
reasons
explain pls
In post 17, Iconeum wrote: In post 11, Klick wrote:I figure I should claim this sooner rather than later - Bella and I are lovers.
VOTE: Chemist
Fool me once...
So, you decide to panick claim the second your lover partner gets the smallest bit of pressure? Basicly condemning the both of you to die, while you don't even know if your partner is actually town.
The good news is neither of you should be alive tomorrow
why do you even make this post? like, whats the point of that?
In post 30, Iconeum wrote:ok i'm done with this
ur scum
i hope you are both scum and lovers
DAYVIG: Klick
also, why tf are you faking this?
In post 35, Iconeum wrote:MY start was a bit jumpy?
Coming from the dude that panick claimed lovers?
Genius
explain how it was panicked, im not seeing it
explain why.
if thats the case, then youre just as suspicious as well. your interaction with them feels scummy af
In post 49, Iconeum wrote:i know i know it definitely sounds like RVS shenanigans and some good ones at that
a dragon's gotta start somewhere
also, scum!Datisi 100% follows my thoughts and jumps onto Bella
so we are both town
its too early to start tring datisi. i was scum with her last game. she can certainly fake this type of thing.
In post 60, Klick wrote:Datisi can be town. Her sorting feels genuine.
PEdit: Hi Menalque. Do you have an opinion on that question yet?
once again, premature tr.
In post 64, Menalque wrote: In post 60, Klick wrote:Datisi can be town. Her sorting feels genuine.
PEdit: Hi Menalque. Do you have an opinion on that question yet?
And it’s far too early to townbin datisi, she plays a very strong scum game
ty mena for being the voice of reason here
In post 81, Chemist1422 wrote:And I'm caught up and have nothing else to say, especially on the topic of page 4
nothing? absolutely nothing? how? ive found plenty to say.
explain why. show ur work pls
In post 84, Donempire wrote: In post 22, Klick wrote:
You had a perfect opportunity to make this happen by letting a few more people react to the Lover thing - why shut it down?
Dont see the point of pushing on bell over this. Yes she
could
have but she didnt, and its not like its an alignment indicative thing. I'm not going to say it is shading directly, i dont think it is, but i still dont like this post.
In post 33, Klick wrote:I mean, the main reason was because I found it hilarious.
There's also a reason related to getting out of RVS or something. But mostly lols.
It was post 11 when you claimed lovers. Weak excuse. I guess i can understand it being a friendly gest between two people that know each other, but then why the fake pressure in post 22? Doesnt add up.
In post 34, Klick wrote:
On the contrary, I feel like letting it go a bit longer would have been fairly helpful. Gives us a starting point for discussion, yeah?
Agreed that Icon's start was a bit jumpy, but I wouldn't necessarily say that's AI.
Hm? Why mention that if you dont think its AI at all?
this post feels townie.
In post 90, Datisi wrote:Also in regard to
83 and
84, not sure how you come out with TRing Bella over Klick? I don't find the posts you listed in
84 as particularly scummy. Also, while both their posting at the start of the day was null-ish, I don't think Bella's further posting has been especially great.
this feels unnaturally fencesitty?
In post 91, Datisi wrote:
80 is your post though? You mean that
80 made them read
72? Though that post doesn't seem to be overly positive of Icon, so I'm not sure what you mean here.
i have no idea what ur even trying to say here.
In post 117, Locke113 wrote: In post 107, Bellaphant wrote:Thanks menalqr, appreciate the response.
@locke, what made that defensive for you, rather than suspicious?
Thoughts on the other pages?
@datisi, this is what I do day one - I ask a lot of questions. I'm trying to get a read on people, not necessarily direct the thread.
Could just be that I'm bias against people voting people voting them on page 1, almost always seems at least a little OMGUS to me. I know I certainly didn't seen any reason to find his reasoning fake as you put it
Overall liking datisi, always like an active sorter, klick is there, not really sure how to feel about him at the moment, liked menal's entrance, chemist is mostly nothing at the moment, pot calling kettle black I know, dong's funny so my read maybe bias but leaning town currently. And the rest of your posts don't make me feel more inclined to consider you town so I'mma keep my vote on you
Dongempire wrote:To see you cry about it?
this post pings me, and the reads feel very noncommittal
its accurate. that's all that really needs to be said.
In post 119, Locke113 wrote: In post 118, Bellaphant wrote:'
Could just be that I'm bias against people voting people voting them on page 1, almost always seems at least a little OMGUS to me. I know I certainly didn't seen any reason to find his reasoning fake as you put it'
Where did this happen?
You really think he thought he had a legit reason to place a serious vote, rather than something mainly created to move out of RVs?
Thoughts on menalqe's post on datisi and her scum play?
I mean his reasoning was "seems opportunistic" so it reads to me like a gut feeling that he followed very early so as to move out of RVS. So from my pov it looks like a bit of both.
I'm sure he's right about her scum play, afterall he's played a game with her, so she will be one to keep an eye on throughout the game
once again, this post is just pinging me and it just feels scummy and fencesitty to me.
In post 121, Bellaphant wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: locke
I don't think you are reading, and therefore not sorting. Your reaction to the datisi thing is super off.
good vote
In post 123, Locke113 wrote:whoops that was a mistake. I see what you mean know, you didn't vote Icon my bad. that teaches me to skim.
I can understand you voting me for saying you voted Icon when you didn't, but what was off about the datisi thing?
what the actual fuck is this post? what are you even trying to say with this?
?? what tf even is this? if ur town, why are you so fine with getting voted here?
In post 144, Bellaphant wrote:Hihi datisi.
I'm scum reading locke. His last post to me was slightly more reassuring as he acknowledged a few mistakes but his interactions with me don't feel like someone who's actively paying attention to the thread. I also think his interactions with ice feel wrong on this page.
I'm not actually scum reading ice. I'm not sure why he's locked on to 'omgus'. His posting on this page feels a bit...scattered, but genuine and the overall thought process about the vig seems legit.
You and menalqe look the most town, but as I said, I'm cautious about you.
I'm negatively reading dong, but am aware it might be more based on posting style ,- it's a slot I need to read more.
I'm super null on most people. I've only played f2f with klick (got him turbo lynched the one time he was scum). Noone else has posted enough to read.
idk how i feel about these reads. they kinda feel weak and non-committal?
In post 146, Iconeum wrote:1) Scumreading Locke despite him 'acknowledging a few mistakes'. But 'not paying attention to the thread' is shading, and also not true because it's friggin 4 pages and he called Bella out on her posts so yeah. Not going into depth about actual said interactions with anything.
2) Not scumreading me, genuine, overall thought process seems legit. But sure not scumreading me.
3) Calling Datisi and Mena town, while in the same breath expressing caution about said townread.
4) 'Negatively reading' Dong, again, with no actual stuff discussed.
So that's 5 players discussed into either town or scum, including self makes 6/9 but still says 'i'm super null' on most.
Literally the only thing that I can see as town from this post is that scum don't have to make that post at this stage.
ok, but what are you saying from this? are you saying that bella is scum or bella is town?
In post 150, Bellaphant wrote:....would it help if I put it in a list with pretty colours? Are you always this bad at inference??
Town: mena, ice, datisi
Null: klick, chemist
Scum:locke
Person who.im scum reading but am aware it may be BC I hate their posting style: dong.
why is ico town here? i got the vibe that he was null from your earlier post, not town. also, this readlist feels very weak as well. like, yea, pretty much everyone you have where they are is an easy read there.
In post 163, Donempire wrote:I guess im fine with dropping the suspicion on you for now since i dont have anything substantial to push.
Ico is my townread for reasons i think i stated, if i didnt its because his posting pattern and content seems to come from a game solving agenda, rather than posting to post.
Datisi is forming into a townlean because of generally the same reasons as ico but the volume of her posts are low and i believe ico is engaging more with the people he questions.
Locke isnt null but i dont know what to make of him. His pushing bella does lift him in my reads but he is a low frequency poster, and his remarks regarding ico sound wishy washy at best. I'll go with slight scumlean.
I didnt have a problem with bellas posting starting out, but lately her posts seem to be directionless, what with her readlist and the everyone null deal. Scumlean...? Wouldnt mind more posts to question her with though.
No one else really caught my eye so far.
good posting.
why klick specifically? theres other people you couldve asked.
In post 166, Locke113 wrote:It may just be a playstyle thing, but this game is feeling really weird right now, with how little people have used their vote/only voted in RVS. We've got 1 person inactive, 3 people who haven't voted at all and 2 who haven't changed their RVS votes at all, I know its still early days but still makes the game feel almost passive for lack of a better word
yes, what about it? what are you getting from that?
In post 167, Chemist1422 wrote: In post 164, Donempire wrote:Im fine with labelling all of chemists posts as NAI. Given that there are 9 anyways.
Chemist, what do you think about bellas readlist?
Do you have a readlist yourself?
The readslist itself is pretty fencesitty but I’m hesitant on pushing it because of what Klick pointed out
And no, not really
post it anyways. better than having nothing.
In post 172, Locke113 wrote: In post 171, Datisi wrote: In post 170, Bellaphant wrote:
but his real response to it suggests that I'm putting too much faith in people being able to 'tone read' and also clarifies why some people are having 'shes fence sitting ' as a reaction. I feel like im clearly describing 'apple' and some people are getting 'banana'.
It's normal for my town day one, tho.
This part makes me uneasy, tho
Why?
In post 171, Datisi wrote: In post 166, Locke113 wrote:It may just be a playstyle thing, but this game is feeling really weird right now, with how little people have used their vote/only voted in RVS. We've got 1 person inactive, 3 people who haven't voted at all and 2 who haven't changed their RVS votes at all, I know its still early days but still makes the game feel almost passive for lack of a better word
> complaining about gamestate and people being inactive
> his recent posts are
133, in which he's knee-jerk defensive at the sight of someone possibly saying he pings them, and
139 which doesn't add anything and is partly just a joke
> the only time he provides any reads he's saying the most obvious things
oh look, my RVS vote isn't random anymore.
The only thing giving me pause is Bella also being on this wagon. Hmm.
I wasn't being defensive in 133, I was being 100% sincere, I thought icon found me suspicious, which would have been understandable since quite frankly if I wasn't me I'd be voting me right now, so I told them to vote me, you know the thing I'm complaining that people aren't doing enough of?
I wasn't complaining about people being inactive, which is a lack of posting, it was about a lack of actively voting, you know the thing that is literally the only thing the majority of town can actually do to provide pressure?
i dont like this post. it just feels like ur rehashing what you said in 172 a bit.
In post 189, Chemist1422 wrote:tbh I can't get a read on any of those posts so far
if I had to I'd give a slight town lean due to somewhat lack of cautiousness but I don't think it's anything they can't fake as scum
you should be able to make reads by this point of the game. whats stopping you from doing so?
In post 194, Donempire wrote:Yup, wording problems. It is bad in that bella clearly has no concrete reads on anyone she reads yet put out one anyway, and that was more what i was trying to insuniate, page 8 was early and she didnt seem to have strong reads so putting out a readslist was an eyebrow raiser. I did a readslist too, so i dont think its inherently wrong but making one when youre on the fence is fluff.
Same deal with chem, i asked IF he had a readslist, if he didnt i wouldnt wamt him forcing one out.
i kinda like this post.
In post 208, Klick wrote:I think I want to lynch in [Chemist, Locke, Heaven, Icon] today.
why?
how come? explain ur thought process pls
In post 219, Locke113 wrote:Okay so that was some hella emotional whiplash
201-
203. Whatever's got you down dong, hope you feel better, but snapping at menal like that was def not the way to go
In post 204, Menalque wrote: In post 203, Donempire wrote:Still, rewrite your fucking post.
If you're not doing it im assuming that you dont want me to read you properly
, and if thats the case i'll rip into its every single contradiction. Also you would then be accusing me of the same stubbornness you display.
What are you even saying here? I stand by the content in the post even if the formatting is a little off, so if you think it’s filled with contradictions go ahead and “rip into its every single contradiction”.
Definitely agree here, if the post was so filled with contradictions, why didn't you address those contradictions straight away?
In post 208, Klick wrote:I think I want to lynch in [Chemist, Locke, Heaven, Icon] today.
You had a null read Icon in
168, has that changed?
In post 211, Klick wrote:I have townreads on Bella/Datisi/Dong. I'm not sure on you (I think I'm a bit paranoid because I was impressed by your play in Pokemon Ruby Mafia), but I like your posting so far and if you're town I'd like you around longer.
So by PoE, I could see two scum in that group pretty easily.
I'm curious, out of your lynchpool who do you think would mostly to be scum partners?
Bellaphant wrote:UNVOTE:
I like that locke pointed out that it's weird more people weren't all over his mistake. It also means other people are happy with disinformation.
Honestly its weird from both a town and scum persceptive, from town's point of view, surely I look pretty scummy if you don't give me the benefit of the doubt, and from scum's pov I'd surely seem like an easy target to try to start a wagon on, I mean I've seen people lynched for less
In post 221, Klick wrote:
Not really?
It's complicated - I'm null on him, but equally I feel like out of everyone I'm null on, he'd have given me a reason to feel otherwise by this point if he were town. His posts just feel
odd
- whereas my other null reads don't feel any particular way.
I guess you could say I'm null-leaning-scum on Icon without much to back it up other than gut?
I'm curious, out of your lynchpool who do you think would mostly to be scum partners?
I can't give any meaningful answer to that. Chemist and Heaven are too inactive for associatives with anyone, and I don't lean one way or another about a theoretical Locke/Icon team. There hasn't been nearly enough going on yet for associatives.
ive been cutting out a lot of lockes posts i quoted originally because theyre all giving me the same general vibe. they just feel like locke is trying to be productive by just posting long things so people just dont read it and call it townie.
In post 232, Datisi wrote:
At human bones, but I assume you mean game-wise:
Do not lynch today pile: Icon, Klick
Currently in the Do not lynch today pile but if they make an extremely good case I could get persuaded: Mena, Dong
Slowly getting into the Do not lynch today pile: Bella
Do lynch today pile: Chemist, Heaven, Locke
care to explain why?
In post 238, Menalque wrote:I’d lynch in dong/icon atm
Dong, waiting to hear back from you on why I’m wrong about those posts being bad/scummy
Icon, he was around early game and then kinda disappeared? So I feel like that could have been busy work trying to get himself credit for the activity even while I don’t think a lot of his play was really driving the game forward. On the flip side, icon has a rep for being mislynch bait and that makes me hesitant, plus in my only encounter with scum!icon he was trying a lot harder to actively create a fucked up gamestate whereas here he’s just,.. not here?
Now I think about it. I don’t love the fact that dong is TRing icon based on early stuff, not datisi having him in “do not lynch” based on the content he’s provided so far
Also fwiw I lean town on chem? He hasn’t done a lot, but I think he’s done some stuff without really being under pressure yet — and that reminds me more of pfup where he was town, rather than ruby where he was scum and only did anything when he was under pressure from town. I think he’s another player who’s quite easy to mislynxh, so is rather not go here today because I think he’ll become increasingly easy to sort as the game goes on
agreeing with mena on lynchpool. however im unsure of how youre getting to chem!town. care to explain?
not sure how i feel about the mena vote here. i kinda feel like dong v mena could be tvt.
In post 256, Klick wrote:I'd probably be okay to take a shot at Heaven today? The town is towny enough
how come? care to explain why? what are your reads at this point?
In post 257, Donempire wrote:I'd say let heaven come back or replace before jumping to stuff, lynching him right now and him flipping town would mean we wouldnt have any leads going into day 2 since he basically never interacted with anyone. Instead im wondering what you think about menal? Also, ico hasnt come back so im waiting on him too.
^^^
In post 258, Klick wrote:If Heaven is scum, when is a more appropriate time to lynch them?
If Heaven is town and continues at this level of activity, how are we going to avoid mislynching them later?
I think Menalque is trying to control the narrative of the game in a way that is NAI at the moment. I felt a bit odd early on about him shutting down my Datisi townread, but his explanation for it was reasonable and I can see it coming from town. His push on you is logical. Overall he's giving lots of content we can use to help read him later on, and I don't have sufficient reason to want to lynch him today.
if im scum, you should lynch me sometime soon, but not today. never today tbh.
if im town, you dont mislynch me because im gonna inadvertantly clear myself sometime.
In post 259, Donempire wrote:Lynching a singular scum isnt the end goal, its a means to an end to lynch both of them, that is our single wincon. I've seen many games with a day 1 scum lynch that end on a 3p lylo.
What i want to do today is get a lynch thats fruitfull enough that we dont end up struggling on the coming days, and rushing a heaven lynch, whatever he ends up flipping, will do just that.
Thing about menal is hes posting just enough content to seem like hes advancing but if you look at the content they are hollow and impartial, and that says to me that he has an agenda.
tbh, i kinda got the same feel from the game we played together to a degree. id have to iso everyone before i can make a clear decision
In post 261, Bellaphant wrote:I think my reads need a bit of a check-up, actually, klick. My scum reads on locke and dong have reversed - talking to them both ome on one was helpful - Locke's point about his mistake and dong discussing the reads post were super town, and I think scum dong just votes me, buddies datisi and tries to l-1 me as an 'easier' lynch. I'd like to hear more from locke in general, particularly about his reads.
I'm super bothered by icon's lack of content and the fact he's only recently posted to react defensively to something i said, while misreading the context. I hate that his RVs vote hasn't moved.
I'm anxious about datisi - they keep throwing shade on me even when agreeing with me: votes locke with me for similar reasons but still calls out her scum rwad on me and doesn't want to be sharing my wagon? Keeps making a thing out of a fairly innocuous comment about my day one meta, even on this page...but hasn't voted me. It feels very.... performative, like, 'look at this scum read on bella', even when they are saying their read on me is changing. Performative always seems fake - idve rather they voted me and created a decent wagon at this point. I get that a lot of people are town reading datisi and on the surface I see why, but I can't lie and say this slot isn't pinging me.
Chemist is just frustrating. He has said my name a bunch in his few posts and like...there's a lot more going on in the thread. Hes also asked questions that have been answered.
I can't read you. Middle of the day I was getting scum vibes, I dislike that you are pushing for a bottom feeder lynch, especially heaven when your vote is on chemist, because we need more info day two, as dong said. 'the town is towny enough' is super red-flaggy because it meana you've accepted an easy lynch, rather than a correct one, potentially
Mena can still be town, although I feel like there is a feeling of 'construction' in their posting too. As you said, maybe just a playstle thing?
@mod, I think considering heaven has missed most of the day and should be replaces, and icon has gone Mia, could an extension be considered while we get a replacement?
i like these reads, except the tr on locke.
In post 262, Klick wrote:Tbh I think this is transparently my town game and I'm surprised you of all people don't see it.
In regards to the whole 'easy lynch' thing, it's convenient that what's easy happens to correlate with what's likely to be right. Idk, maybe I'm paranoid after last game where the scum were the two least active players. But I am genuinely getting town vibes from most of the active posters. You and Dong are my strongest townreads. Locke seems genuine. I could see myself being wrong about Datisi I guess? But I don't think so.
I've talked in detail about my feelings on Menalque just recently, and I'd wager if he were scum his partner is in [Chemist, Heaven]. His posting gives off the impression that he'd be carrying whatever scumteam he's in. But I'm leaning town on him and feel as though this game will be better off if he's not lynched today.
By PoE on my reads alone I'm left with [Icon, Chemist, Heaven] as likely scum. I don't particularly care how easy it seems - it feels right to me. Avoiding 'easy' lynches got town into a trap last time I played and I'd rather not go down that path again.
assuming im town here who is scum? chem for certain as mena partner and {ico, chem} for likely scum?
why. i dont really agree with the naked vote here.
In post 277, Donempire wrote:
So to recap:
Klick is my top townread, then ico, then locke, and then bella.
Datisi and Chemist i also dont want to lynch today.
And that leaves Heaven and Menal as the possible lynches, though i of course prefer menal because through that i can make associates.
why is locke town?
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