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Hey all.
My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.
I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.
I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.-
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In post 33, Hectic wrote:In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,fuck that, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and thesecondyou see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.
Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.
I'd prefer you dial it down so we don't have to policy you.-
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You shouldn't use posts from very old, past games to determine my current gameplay.In post 302, Hectic wrote:Wake as town is usually more brief when talking about his observing. And when people question him on it, he usually responds and interacts with them.
Here, his first post is very defensive, and he has solidly ignored all questions and interrogations since then. He shouldn't be given a free pass.Wake wrote:I hate Day 1 shenanigans. I need something to actually work with.
Observing for now.Wake wrote:It's been awhile.
If Scum could hurry up and get nervous that'd be great. I pick up on nervousness extremely quickly.
Gonna read through the last 2 pages. Don't ask me how I play, or tell me how to play. I play as I play. I play at my own pace. That said, do routinely ask me questions and engage or I will destroy you if you're Scum.In post 10, Wake1 wrote:Hey all.
My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.
I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.
I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.
A lot has changed in my life, as has me as a person.-
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Would you judge me if I said yes?In post 681, Creature wrote:Do you want us to discuss about Mayan temples?-
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I already know I'm not ever going to be lynched in this game, so I'm going to break the ice because I want to involve all other members of Town. I'm hoping this is not an unwise play with my role, and am hoping there's a protective role out there.
I am a Town Vigilante. I can target anyone at night and kill them. I don't particularly trust my own judgement and aim because I am not as deep into this game as other players are. So I want to include everyone else in this decision, the decision on who we vote for me to kill each Night. I'm hoping this is the right move, and that someone in this game can and will protect me.-
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Now that I've got a laptop I can actually read the game easier. Skitter's giving me some Townvibes with her paranoia and unagreeableness.
Tchill seems to be perched in a way where he can comfily observe but not really playing the game, while appearing to play the game. I could shoot him tonight.
Robb's usually an explosive, emotional mess. I have yet to see how that translates when he plays as Scum.
Menalque and Bob I don't currently have any strong thoughts on.
Garmr I know of him, but not enough to even try to tell his meta. I do feel he's actively playing the game, which seems Townie, although Scum can just as easily do the same.-
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Hm...In post 894, Robbnva wrote:Yeh the vc is correct but wish it was showing menalque has been lynched and is mafia. Just need more votes to make that a reality.-
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I think I want to BREAK this neck.In post 895, Menalque wrote:Here’s where I’m at more or less. I haven’t had a chance to catch up and as I’m shortly gonna drive to Geneva I may not be fully caught up by deadline either.
That said, I quite like reading off the first pages anyway.
So, I’m inclined to say garmr is town, has actually been engaging with people, giving reads, pushing shit, from a brief ISO skim. I’d ideally meta him but for now he can be town.
Skitt is just always provisionally town until she’s scum. I have like mild concerns about her but not enough to put her in my bottom 3 which means she stays as town for today.
Robb comes across as mildly townie from the early pages, although I find him really hard to read and maybe I’m just reading him not being toxic for once as him being town? But again, there are scummier people so he’s town by PoE.
I’m town, duh doy.
Wake is really null but townier than anyone left, so he’s in town.
Then creature is mildly scummy from hectic slot but still not actually in my top 3 scum so he also gets to be town for now. Also find him a nightmare to read, same as hectic. Not really sorting there.
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BEF is like my loosest SR in that I’m not actually sure I’m SRing him. I just didn’t like him suggesting early on that rob/hectic was theatre, didn’t like his reason for leaving his vote on wake post RVS, but neither are really reasons to be scum exactly. Felt like he was making excuses to not do stuff right at the beginning but there’re enough posts in his ISO that I guess he has at least been posting even if I don’t know how much merit those posts have yet.
Tchill is when we start to get into actual SR territory. Didn’t like 60 where he suggests that “any decent scum [would] pour fire on this flame” which seems to me to be pretty LAMIST in a manipulative way. Like “any scum would do this please notice how I’m doing the very opposite”. Just sits with me wrong.
Also agree with my predecessor that he was fence sitty on rob/hectic. For instance in 58 when he talks about how hectic is always scummy and he won’t defend him if he gets run up, while treating them both as town in 60 where he’s asking them to both tone it down so town stands a better chance of winning
Bob is also scummy imo. Feels like he’s chainsawing garmr for his read on tchill, while also claiming it’s a meta read. Like that’s conflicting to me, or at least it is in how he’s presenting both arguments in his ISO depending on when/who’s asking. Really don’t like 527 where he says his meta read on garmr as “his town games are more like just pulling on a thread rather doggedly irrelevant if he is right or wrong at that time” — which I think is what makes sense from garmr here given how he’s been pursuing tchill, regardless of whether you agree with him on tchill!scum or not. Plus the way he’s trying to shade skitt for not having read him correctly in the past. Idk the whole thing sits wrong, plus I’m willing to sheep garmr/skitt to a certain extent. Especially if skitt is more town than scum, which she is, then I trust her instincts
And you will point exactly why.
What you just said rings hollow to me, and I will have your head today.
VOTE: Menalque-
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Why are you refusing to vote Menalque?In post 933, Garmr wrote:Tick Tock Tick Tock-
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Oh?In post 945, Garmr wrote:
Wake can you stfu I'm doing something.In post 941, Wake1 wrote:There's Scum among Menalque and Garmr.
I'm finna do something tonight, too.-
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What is the reason for voting Bob?In post 950, Garmr wrote:
Fine I'm ok with being shot tonight. Will you lynch Bob today or tommorow if you shoot me tonight?In post 948, Wake1 wrote:
Oh?In post 945, Garmr wrote:
Wake can you stfu I'm doing something.In post 941, Wake1 wrote:There's Scum among Menalque and Garmr.
I'm finna do something tonight, too.-
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I don't need a wall.In post 955, Garmr wrote:
Sweet i'll just type it up but it may not be fast becuase my net is conking up so i'm prepping in case it does it again.In post 954, Wake1 wrote:
What is the reason for voting Bob?In post 950, Garmr wrote:
Fine I'm ok with being shot tonight. Will you lynch Bob today or tommorow if you shoot me tonight?In post 948, Wake1 wrote:
Oh?In post 945, Garmr wrote:
Wake can you stfu I'm doing something.In post 941, Wake1 wrote:There's Scum among Menalque and Garmr.
I'm finna do something tonight, too.
I need 1-3 sentences. That's it.-
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God, I really don't want to hear all the bitching if I hammer bob right now and he turns out to be Town.
He's at L-1 which is fine.
I'd like to have him claim first. Please no one hammer before he claims.-
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That's hardly fair.In post 981, Robbnva wrote:The fact you don’t know why I scum read your predecessor is proof alone you aren’t townie. No real attempts to sort anyone either.-
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People do that all the time in Mafia. Hell, here's an example:In post 984, Robbnva wrote: Second. He flat out called me scum, treated me like scum but later claimed he was sorting me.
I'm going to kill you tonight you Scumfuck if you don't give me a good enough reason why I should Scumread Menalque.
See? Pretty easy. Sometimes people do this to get a reaction, because reactions can be used at times in telling someone's alignment.-
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I had read something Rabid posted that got deleted. Please refresh my memory on that.In post 985, Robbnva wrote:
Sure it is. It means he hasn’t read the game. His reads are fake cause he would have to read the game and if he did he’d know why I scum read him.In post 982, Wake1 wrote:
That's hardly fair.In post 981, Robbnva wrote:The fact you don’t know why I scum read your predecessor is proof alone you aren’t townie. No real attempts to sort anyone either.
Doesn’t matter. What rabid did is confirmed scum. If the people in this game can’t see it then i guess we’ll lose.-
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Also, sorting alone doesn't make you Town. If it did then the most active Scum would always win by mere virtue of being active and sorting.
While sorting is helpful to the Town, in no way does it make you Town, or lack thereof make you Scum. For example I hate Day 1 and rarely post, yet I'm always Town.-
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I'd like to know who you top Scumread and top Townread currently is, please.In post 991, Menalque wrote:
I mean how is not having read the game proof of anything? I’ve read 7 pages and I’ve read everything since I joinedIn post 985, Robbnva wrote:
Sure it is. It means he hasn’t read the game. His reads are fake cause he would have to read the game and if he did he’d know why I scum read him.In post 982, Wake1 wrote:
That's hardly fair.In post 981, Robbnva wrote:The fact you don’t know why I scum read your predecessor is proof alone you aren’t townie. No real attempts to sort anyone either.
Doesn’t matter. What rabid did is confirmed scum. If the people in this game can’t see it then i guess we’ll lose.
Why is town!me more likely to read the game than scum!me?
My reads are not fake, even if they’re limited from a lack of information-
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In post 988, Wake1 wrote:
I had read something Rabid posted that got deleted. Please refresh my memory on that.In post 985, Robbnva wrote:
Sure it is. It means he hasn’t read the game. His reads are fake cause he would have to read the game and if he did he’d know why I scum read him.In post 982, Wake1 wrote:
That's hardly fair.In post 981, Robbnva wrote:The fact you don’t know why I scum read your predecessor is proof alone you aren’t townie. No real attempts to sort anyone either.
Doesn’t matter. What rabid did is confirmed scum. If the people in this game can’t see it then i guess we’ll lose.-
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For someone being in a game that requires working together to uproot the enemy you really need to get it together and start being a team player.In post 990, Robbnva wrote:I guess I’ll stop trying also. Nobody else wants to. Just call me a lame duck or tree stump or whatever. If others don’t want to take the game seriously. Why should I.-
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I want to know which post you're referring to that has solidified your current vote.In post 1001, Robbnva wrote:I wasn’t aware rabid’s posts got deleted. Hectic’s did.-
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In post 1003, Menalque wrote:Wake why did you claim vig?In post 689, Wake1 wrote:I already know I'm not ever going to be lynched in this game, so I'm going to break the ice because I want to involve all other members of Town. I'm hoping this is not an unwise play with my role, and am hoping there's a protective role out there.
I am a Town Vigilante. I can target anyone at night and kill them. I don't particularly trust my own judgement and aim because I am not as deep into this game as other players are. So I want to include everyone else in this decision, the decision on who we vote for me to kill each Night. I'm hoping this is the right move, and that someone in this game can and will protect me.-
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What?In post 1008, Menalque wrote:Are you gated?
Because I'm part of the uninformed majority and this is Mafia we're playing.In post 1009, Menalque wrote:Okay also why do you not trust your own judgement?
Point to me a cock-sure Townie and I'll point at that bullshitter too.-
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Unlimited.In post 1014, Menalque wrote:Are you unlimited in shots or do you only have a certain number?
And I’m asking because you seemed like very confident that I was scum after I posted my thoughts on the game and that seems odd from someone who’s apparently not that trusting in their own judgement?
I don't think you're familiar with my playstyle. It's part of how I Scumhunt.
Being very trusting of one's own judgement is the Achille's heel of many a Town player.-
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If you switch to Mena I'd be OK with claiming intent to hammer.In post 1028, skitter30 wrote:Mena i actually kinda want to vote you tho
But if you do anything do it quickly, because my butt is in bed and fading fast.-
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You all suck.In post 1100, Robbnva wrote:
This would mean that you were scum with me.In post 1097, Menalque wrote:let's get one thing straight: the only way you know anything is if you're scum so stop preaching that bullshit line
I know that your predecessor did things no town would or should do and nobody can explain those actions as town. For some reason they have chose to ignore it which is highly frustrating.
Only people I want to vote today are on bob’s wagon. So I’m not thrilled that I may have to hammer that wagon. The counter wagon to yours. Counters are almost always on town.
Everything points to you scum. So yes I can say I know in my soul you are scum.
Cyrus, I can't see the latest CV but I am voting the person at L-1, hammering them. VOTE: Bob[/B]
Seriously, you all. WTF.-
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I targeted Menalque last night for the kill.
Obviously, something happened that stopped it.
Be on the lookout for Scum attempting to attack tour Town Vig from that angle.-
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Creature was NOT my target.In post 1149, Robbnva wrote:Why ask if your target died?
I’m opposed to mass claim and skitter mentioning it just makes him scummier.
Menalquewas.-
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Thoughts on lynching you, Tchill.
There's no multiball in Minis, ergo only one NK.
By killing Menalque I was hedging my bets, so that of Bob was mislynched than the opposer, Menalque would possibly be Scum and die as well. Apparently they were both Town.
What we need to do is analyze who did what regarding these wagons, and who hopped/shifted during it. I bet at least one Scum didn't vote (gut feeling).-
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Pretty sure this was answered earlier.In post 1164, skitter30 wrote:
No, there arent.In post 1148, Wake1 wrote:Are there any Normal Power Roles that can redirect a NK?
I don't know about a massclaim. I'd like to hear everyone else's thoughts before doing anything.
You're ungated, right?
Yes, I'm ungated.-
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