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[farside22]

*in
*witty comment here*
*insert random vote*

[farside22]

*in
*witty comment here*
*insert random vote*

You can't just say "witty comment."

I have to know if you are capable of making one. It is extremely important.

My fingers are getting more excerise then I am these day.

[farside22]

This is a weird game to be part of. I feel like i walked into a chat pt instead of a mafia game.
So all i got from my read was votato claim looked fake.
Pp, april, conspire were town reads and i ferl like now writing a mafia game call alice in wonderland but cast everyone here in wonderland.

VOTE: votato

[farside22]

farside22
mastina
chemist1422
votato
Clover Ebi
Dunnstral
Dr Easy Bake
Creature

Are you human or miller? Claim now or you will get lynched later.

No. Im an animal.

[farside22]

Can people please not spam the tread.

[farside22]

VOTE: clover

[farside22]

The mod said mass claim day 1 would never work. But we don't know unless we try guys! VOTE: Votato

And what's the reasoning behind claiming that information?

In one post you suggest massclaim, in other you are reluctant to even a partial claim.

The first post was a joke during the time I feel like a lot of the playerlist was messing around. In my experience wolves are more likely to miss things like this than town. Unless my joke wasn't obvious than someone do let me know. VOTE: Blatant scum

This is very likely town.

I read it as scummy
His first post doesnt read as though he is joking at all.

[farside22]

because i read the thread

me too.
This whole thing reads as one big rvs. People talking about wagons, people voting and creating wagons. People trying to out alts.
I actually wanted out when I saw this player list because they play a lot differently and I have no clue how to scum hunt with the nonsense I see in here.

[farside22]

because i read the thread

me too.
This whole thing reads as one big rvs. People talking about wagons, people voting and creating wagons. People trying to out alts.
I actually wanted out when I saw this player list because they play a lot differently and I have no clue how to scum hunt with the nonsense I see in here.

lucky for you you rolled scum so now you get to stay and "hunt" which is pretty easy.

You are so cute!

because i read the thread

me too.
This whole thing reads as one big rvs. People talking about wagons, people voting and creating wagons. People trying to out alts.
I actually wanted out when I saw this player list because they play a lot differently and I have no clue how to scum hunt with the nonsense I see in here.

What do you make of Calvins approach to the game centered around massclaiming given your comments earlier to Clover's post?

Well I reread the pages before his first post and a lot of players are joke claiming. So the comment it's self makes no sense to me. It's clear people are joking around and he is talking about mass claiming.
I don't know how he got one idea from all that was going on.
When the mass claim talk started it was only about whether players were human or miller.
I didn't see why the question was big deal.

I am confused about one more thing. Why does everyone assume the birds and the boys would do a pic that showed a scum PT as a joke?

[farside22]

What makes you think I got that idea from what was going on? I want a massclaim anyway!

-Calvin

Why?
I understood the miller claims but ive never seen mass claiming day 1 or how it helps.

[farside22]

I think dunnstral vote is the scummiest. He hasn't said anything till that vote on votato.

[farside22]

Why do you think Votato is town, farside?

-Calvin

My read on him is null.
I just look at the wagon going and read how players respond or vote on it.
To me this just looks like another rvs wagon snd attempting to gain reaction/info

[farside22]

I am confused about one more thing. Why does everyone assume the birds and the boys would do a pic that showed a scum PT as a joke?

[farside22]

So Dunn advancing the wagon to gain a reaction is towny, no?

-Calvin

Why did he only join this wagon? Why hasn't he added anything to the game other then an L-1 vote?
So no. Not in my world.

[farside22]

I think dunnstral vote is the scummiest. He hasn't said anything till that vote on votato.

Well, if votato flips town, guess who gets a visit from TI the next night.
Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but I wouldn't put town on L-1 my very first post as scum.

Who does that as town?
Even not mafia post a few thing before l-1 or loz hammer vote.

[farside22]

I think dunnstral vote is the scummiest. He hasn't said anything till that vote on votato.

Well, if votato flips town, guess who gets a visit from TI the next night.
Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but I wouldn't put town on L-1 my very first post as scum.

Who does that as town?
Even not mafia post a few thing before l-1 or loz hammer vote.

So we are calling a horrible gameplay scummy, am I wrong?

I said it looks scummy to place one vote and say nothing else.
You said you don't see scum doing that.
Its pretty easy for scum to actively lurk in a game like this with being noticed.
Are you saying that dunnsral typically plays this way?

[farside22]

Ill just play in my own little world.
VOTE: dunnstral

*adds birds to scum list*

[farside22]

r u Blatant Scum's partner?

-bitmap

*fakes feeling wounded*

You do realize a bunch of people defended the pic you uploaded as a joke, right?

[farside22]

farside, are you saying you're not 100% sure the pic was a joke?

~Cosmic

I've asked 2x why people thinks its a joke.

I think dunnstral vote is the scummiest. He hasn't said anything till that vote on votato.

Well, if votato flips town, guess who gets a visit from TI the next night.
Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but I wouldn't put town on L-1 my very first post as scum.

This sounds like a scum setup where as scum you hard defend a town slot to build credibility.

-bitmap

I found this scummy. Sound like he's setting up BS as scum for town cred. I thought it was a bit of a stretch of a read.
Ie: fake looking for a scum tell that isn't there

[farside22]

I've asked 2x why people thinks its a joke.

Because it's been done as a joke twice before recently (that I'm aware of) and they specifically stated they were inspired by one instance of it.

Thank you!
Can you tell me how multiple wagons and claiming helps?
All im getting is many same votes, same reasons so i looked at the one stand out.

[farside22]

Claims don't help, but wagons are good to look back on later once we have flips.

I love wagons.

You up for a wagon on an unknown to get a better read on the player?

[farside22]

I have a feeling we are not thinking the same player penguin.

Ebwop: well votato reaction i felt was town. Being a bit stubborn about claiming right away.

I'd like to see fire from the bird hydra to get a better read there.
The rest is a blur of chaos

[farside22]

Ill just play in my own little world.
VOTE: dunnstral

*adds birds to scum list*

Nice, I am on the exclusive list.

Wait why is dunny scum for not being that active? Dunny lurks all the time.

~fire

I don't know his playstyle. I don't know the majority of the players here.
@ holden: i think your comparing clover to calvin is 2 separate things. Clover said he was joking about mass claiming when he was called out for the discrepancy when he switch to mass claiming is bad.
I dont believe it was a joke and i dont understand why your defending him and not letting him defend his own actions.
Simply put why was he joking about mass claiming when no one was talking about it and then why did je take it seriously after?

[farside22]

I'm a bit baffled that people have townreads when I'm pretty sure a lot of this was just pure good-hearted nonsense. But hey, maybe I'm more strict in how I give out my townreads

The mod said mass claim day 1 would never work. But we don't know unless we try guys! VOTE: Votato

And what's the reasoning behind claiming that information?

In one post you suggest massclaim, in other you are reluctant to even a partial claim.

The first post was a joke during the time I feel like a lot of the playerlist was messing around. In my experience wolves are more likely to miss things like this than town. Unless my joke wasn't obvious than someone do let me know. VOTE: Blatant scum

Well he did clear it up, which apparently i missed in all this.
It look like his confusion is where he got more serious. That definitely negates my prospective about it.

[farside22]

Well at least i have more town reads at this point.
Just poe till the end.

[farside22]

Well at least i have more town reads at this point.
Just poe till the end.

Oooh - what are they?

I don't like giving out my town reads because I think it help scum more then town. Let me just have a few more rl days of seeing what players post and I will put read out with hopefully a smaller list.

yeah... in my short tenure, I've learned that when i give firm early game reads i come off as scummy and have shit takes. I'll work on improving it. Farside can vouch.

Mmmmm..

[farside22]

VOTE: votato
Holdens push on the claim and lack of follow through from votato makes me think hes scum.
I still think birds is scum. Fire doesn't read his normally bubbly self

[farside22]

^That vote is weirding me out

I think there should be more votes on the guy.
Why did you unvote based on the conversation?

[farside22]

VOTE: votato
Holdens push on the claim and lack of follow through from votato makes me think hes scum.
I still think birds is scum. Fire doesn't read his normally bubbly self

Lack of follow through in what capacity? On calvin? My push on what claim? My reasons to vote votato has nothing to do with his claiming of his role.

He did follow up technically at the top of the page, although its him talking about his short tenure on site.

As a side note, I think I know how his role works. If janitor targets somebody who doesn't die that night, but does the next. Will they be cleaned when they filp?

Sorry I thought you said something about Votato's claim. I can't remember who said it, but I remember someone said they wanted clarification on votato's claim.
He hasn't really clarified it till now. A janitor (doesn't allow a flip) doc/watcher. That makes no sense. How does a janitor work in that realm when you are saving a player? Is the player ever going to flip if successful?
Those are question I would have asked the mod to clarify.

VOTE: votato
Holdens push on the claim and lack of follow through from votato makes me think hes scum.
I still think birds is scum. Fire doesn't read his normally bubbly self

would it help u townread me if I told u I only lied about being miller once before as scum.

surely I wouldn't be so foolish to do that again.

~fire

no

u know back in my day I didn't need to barter for people to tunnel me. They would do it free of charge. Because they actually believed in me being scum.

I miss those times.

~fire

Well you have me thinking your scum so enjoy my tunneling while I'm here.

yeah... in my short tenure, I've learned that when i give firm early game reads i come off as scummy and have shit takes. I'll work on improving it. Farside can vouch.

VOTE: Votato L2 since last VC was a bit ago

You didnt give a firm read on Calvin though.

It's less about giving a firm or confused answer, and more how it is done. Scum from my experience tends to over justify things to look like their posting has more merit to it. You often see it in day 1 read lists by them for example where most of it is null reads with one or two paragraphs.

In your response to Calvin you, in order,
- said that it in theory is scum driven
- suggesting it is NAI
- its town because it can be used as a reaction test
- calvin isnt using it as a reaction test
- Calvin's usage of it is scummy
- but he needs to be asked questions regarding it to make sure.

Uncommital, self undermining, and more importantly overtly winded wishy washy read on Calvin.

I guess I could tie in you didnt end up questing calvin after that post which would also make sense from a townie presepctive, but I jumped the gun I think too quickly by revealing it to use it.

So:

What do you make of Dunn's unvote on you and farsides vote?
Are you just confused about bingles logic or do you think he is stretching to whitenight you? If latter, would it be scum or town driven?

I dont think much of either the vote or the unvote. I will say i think the order of those votes in quick succession probably means they aren't both scum.

I'm starting to think i just can't win here. Every time i take a firm stance early game people scum read me. So here i tried to just keep and open mind, and people scum read me anyway. Yes, im wishy washy and fence sitty. My reads will solidify as the game goes on. Maybe that's scummy, but it is what it is. If i need to be the day 1 lynch here, i guess that's fine. But I'm very much low hanging fruit, and i feel like there's gotta be scum driving this wagon.

My role explains the pieces. I didn't really realize how much i didn't understand it until i had to explain it. It seems that if my target gets janitored, i heal and watch. If not, i do nothing.

Penguin, can i have like 12 hours away from the game sometimes to sleep and go outside?

Pedit: yeah i agree. Pp seems forced and overblown. As an admin shouldn't he be the one telling us to chill?

Have you looked at the wagon? If you think scum are helping push it, why not start there?

[farside22]

Oh and I think taking someone's opinion is not something I have seen from you votato.

[farside22]

Oh and I think taking someone's opinion is not something I have seen from you votato.

Taking someone's opinion?

Pedit: yeah i agree. Pp seems forced and overblown. As an admin shouldn't he be the one telling us to chill?

Why does PP read forced and overblown if you believe this to be true?

[farside22]

A janitor (doesn't allow a flip)

Yes, this is what it does. I don’t get what you’re saying in this entire post.

Let me bring up Votato’s description

It seems that if my target gets janitored, i heal and watch. If not, i do nothing.

It seems as if the target was to be janitored, they are doctored and watched.

@Farside - why did you say “when would they flip?” They would flip when they die. Doctor protects people from dying.

Janitor per wiki

"cleans up the body" after its kill, thus preventing players from learning anything about the player when they flip. At daybreak, it is simply said that the player died with no information about their role or their alignment.

He says he is a doc/watcher. A doc protects a player from dying. Both idea's cancel each other out.
One protects. One provents a players alignment/role to be know. Can you tell me how that is possible for both to be true?
He says it doesn't work unless he is successful so my question being if successful does that mean the person remains like that permanently?

[farside22]

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

My role explains the pieces. I didn't really realize how much i didn't understand it until i had to explain it. It seems that if my target gets janitored, i heal and watch. If not, i do nothing.

the wording changed too when he described the role claim to how it works.
I mean I would be outguessing the mod but I would have written the role as a modified watcher/doctor and let it be known in the how it is modified in the action column.
Anyone know typically how crazy writes things out?

[farside22]

It just sounds like he changed this to make the role sound less scummy

[farside22]

I feel like he’s effectively a Cop that gets their result from targeting a Janitored target

You chances of that happening days 1-3 are?????
And why only 3 days with a limited ability?

[farside22]

I feel like he’s effectively a Cop that gets their result from targeting a Janitored target

You chances of that happening days 1-3 are?????
And why only 3 days with a limited ability?

I didn’t make the setup.

I have a Janitor ability, and I’m town.

Is it clear what your role does in the pm?

[farside22]

Alright I'll let that confirm itself for tonight.

vote:dunn

[farside22]

A little.

@Hash Brown - Target Holden tonight.

I’m concerned about roleblocks if you try to coordinate, tbh. If anyone has a way to check for roleblocking, those two are a good place to use it. The roleclaim conversation bores me. I think it’s likely votato got a complicated role pm and didn’t understand it, but I don’t think not trying to understand it very hard until pressed is particularly AI. Frustrating, perhaps, but not scummy, really. Pps tunnel is towny AF tho.

Janitor claim seems pretty town.

Votato when it comes to flossing over your posts it’s mostly that you take forever to not really say anything, so I just don’t care very hard.

I think its best not to overthink this. Lots of power roles for the game. No VT's so the scum deciding not to allow this is fine. It may actually help out other roles in the long run day 1.

[farside22]

I think Votato's role makes sense if there is no mafia janitor and April is telling the truth.

Well it despite Aprils alignment.
Volato's reads are rough. But for him id give him town points.
@clover: im played with mastina before, so far she hasn't done anything that she hasn't done as scum as well. If there is something beside the town/scum reads im missing, let me know

[farside22]

Anyway, this is what I got right now

jj town
conspire scum
April lean town
Penguin lean town
clover lean scum
Blatant Scum scum
votaytoh lean scum
calvin lean town, failed mason claim imo, but not scum indicative necessarily.

Why is jj a town read?

[farside22]

@clover: im played with mastina before, so far she hasn't done anything that she hasn't done as scum as well. If there is something beside the town/scum reads im missing, let me know

Sure, but doesn't that go into the whole scum range theory? I wouldn't be surprised if mastina can post all she can as scum, but obviously scum come in with a certain agenda and ways to play the field. I don't really see that from her yet. I suppose if mastina is some super good scum player that tricks everyone I'd be a bit more reluctant to townread her. Do you think she shouldn't be townread at the moment? If I'm missing anything feel free to @ me. I don't want to be known as clueless and dense

Currently she is just a null read.
I would say she has an agenda since it is something she adopted to play regardless of alignment. I wish I could do her play style.
Until I see her being more verbal about things she see's in the game and scum reads, she stays in the null category.

[farside22]

I think Votato's role makes sense if there is no mafia janitor and April is telling the truth.

Well it despite Aprils alignment.

Volato's reads are rough. But for him id give him town points.

@clover: im played with mastina before, so far she hasn't done anything that she hasn't done as scum as well. If there is something beside the town/scum reads im missing, let me know

You two have experience together. What is town!votato normally like?

The game is ongoing.
Because of that game I am still chewing on votato a bit. Few things read town, but somethings are bothering me. Like that little voice that keeps whispering beware.
I know thats vague but its hard to describe because its context. I am really bad at context.

[farside22]

I popped millers from my lynchpool, because I feel they are more likely to be town than random person.

Do you know all that claimed miller thus far?
Just so I can have it for notes.

We should start another wagon on someone, things are growing stagnant.

[farside22]

I mean, I didn't even realize chemist was in the game, then Bird tries to get something going on them? I don't like it. They weren't even saying something like "oh let's lynch the lurker" just out of nowhere they're scum.
Then there is this crap:

Alright.

I am finished and solved the game.

VOTE: chemist

Here is the first scum. Get on board or be prepared to be rolled over by this highspeed rail gun.

~fire

honestly I'm taking it as a compliment you remembered I was here

I felt the same way. And i saw fire sign on that. When has fire ever pushed a lynch like that? And have only one strong scum read. Or try to be a leader without being goofy.

vote: birds and the boys

[farside22]

Vote birds with me

[farside22]

Vote birds with me

He did ban me from the scum PT

UNVOTE: VOTE: Birds and boys

I still need responses from Votato before hes removed from my scum list

If it makes you feel better I still have a leaning scum read on him. I just want to see where this wagon goes.

[farside22]

if ur not voting chemist ur just helping the scum team.

which is fine for holden but the rest of you know better.

VOTE: chemist

~fire

If I missed it, my bad, but I don't see where you ACTUALLY GIVE A DAMN REASON BEHIND THIS!

There was lots of quotes and it's basically the equivalent of actively lurking.

[farside22]

Give case for Votatown

-Calvin

Yes, his wagon sucks ass

Agreed. As does the BS wagon.

Interestingly, I think the Byrd wagon is towndriven, but am still mostly ambivalent to it.

How do you feel about April/CE/Farside/PP? I think that + you is a pretty solid townblock.

Why the scum read on GH?

Spoiler: the extent of dunnstral's remotely content posts

Rvs vote

VOTE: votato

L-1, please claim

UNVOTE: Votato

Not really feeling this lynch. Also I think 830 is a post town makes more than scum do.

I like Cālvin and Hobbes

VOTE: Blatant Scum

^That vote is weirding me out

Why would town have janitor abilities?

no one else thinks that this ISO is worth wagoning? an "RVS vote" trying to get a claim, an unvote immediately following the claim because he suddenly "isnt feeling the lynch," then another vote without reason. 838 is a legit question i guess. then 1028 contradicts his unvote.

I'll ask you again, what changed from your interpretation of Dunns unvote in your reads list since the BS vote came after that read list?

Why are you presenting Dunn as this hidden gem nobody has noticed when people like Farside has brought up them before?

the null read was based on me being not confident and looking at the posts in the context of the thread on that page. the scum read was me going back and looking over dunn's iso. maybe we should be listening to farside. no one is.

am i missing something? why is chemist scum?

You are lucky im not tunneling but i do still think your scum.
Who are your scum reads?

hi guys what did I miss?

-bitmap

Chemist's scum buddies are coming in out in force to protect him

Votato town
BS town
HoldenGolden town

-turducken

Who else is on your scum list?

I have seen town players play very similar to Dunn's playstyle.
Votato is no longer confirmable. I think he is an "optimal mislynch".

Just give me a lttle leway with a vote on bird. Just think of it as information.

[farside22]

I have seen town players play very similar to Dunn's playstyle.
Votato is no longer confirmable. I think he is an "optimal mislynch".

Is that due to how the wagons and game stalled, or simply your read on votato?

I think Votato's claim is towny. Yes, I read Penguin's ISO. I called him "optimal mislynch" because:
1) I wanted to be quoted
2) People still scumread him and he is basically unconfirmable.

He is very careful how he words things. I wouldn't put him in a town category to save my life.

[farside22]

I think Farside's stance on Votato has been really weird and inconsistent. I don't think there's a whole picture here yet because more content from Dunnstral may well be illuminating. I'd be very surprised if Farside and Dunnstral are both town.

Votato and i have a history. I tunnel and I'm doing my best not to do that and searc outside that.

Townier side is the left side

Hard town: votato, HoldenGolden, Dr Easy Bake, Clover Ebi, April Ludgate, Creature
Town: mastina, chemist1422, Birds and the Boys, Conspire
Town but with mixed feelings: Calvin and Hobbes
Null: Bingle
Scum: PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Blatant Scum, farside22

That's my readslist


I think the main important thing that happened in the game is the votato wagon which I think peaked at 2 different points. Votato claimed something around the first peak that looked a lot like a meme fakeclaim at a glance. But it was serious, and it got expanded on, and I'm pretty sure it's very real and very town

I'm currently talking about farside22 who I think has mostly just been following the gamestate and trying to predict and direct the flow when it looks like momentum has fallen

I would appreciate it if you would make a list of your top 5 favourite dinosaurs because I wasn't joking when I said that I need people to do that for my role

Nah that seems a bit of a stretch. I am pushing my scum reads. How can some predict and direct flow?
I never heard that term before.

[farside22]

When it looks like momentum is gonna shift, you shift.

So, when it looks like the Votato wagon has reached its apex, you vote somewhere else. That's both trying to predict flow and, by moving just a little before the rest of the game does, you might also direct it. It's a step up from just doing what everyone else does.

Im just narrowing down some scum reads. I like to see if i can solve as much as i can day 1. I'd vote votato, dunn or bird.
My i dont have a read on: you, mastina, binge (i go back and forth on him) , conspire, clover and april.

[farside22]

Clover should be the easiest read there for general audiences imo. I think there was one point where he just came up with a couple of reads that nobody was talking about which is as good a towntell as you can hope for on d1

Meh I think anyone can do that. As for you, well I know I can't read you based on our last game.
You basically are asking about Dino's and pushing on me as scum. I disagree with all but one of your scum reads and have no clue how you could think Birds was town when all he is doing is pushing one scum read and howling at it as scum without trying to interact with the player.
I'm curious about how your reads typically are for day 1.....

[farside22]

doubles mafia I replaced into this game.
viewtopic.php?t=82397&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Gotown game for jjh here.

Both games are very different from your style here. Any reason you changed how you do things?

[farside22]

What do you think is different between booneytoonz upick and me here

I didn't see you give a list of scum reads in the game. You seemed like you were handing out town reads and this is just more weird and not as relaxed.
What do you see that is similar?

[farside22]

well that and you voted more with really not a lot of reasons stated early on.

[farside22]

Found it. It even comes with the explanation I just gave

Spoiler: Booneytoonz upick day 1 readslist

I find I'm townreading a lot of people at the moment, which isn't totally abnormal for day 1 but just means no scum are standing out hugely atm. I might pick up and prod the people in my scumreads a little to see what happens but I can't make any promises rn.

Townier side is on the left:
Hard Town: Venus and Mars, Chkflip, The Fonz, Titus, Vecna, Krazy Katz, nomnomnom, Davesaz
Thought these were town earlier but haven't really thought much about them since: Sore feet, Conspire, Michael Scott
Lean town: BooneyToonzExpert, RCEnigma
Possible scum: Kakeguri Addicts, Chronos, George Bailey

okay.
I'll just put a pin in this because i find your reads this game to be very unconventional but I don't know if that is a thing for you.
The words you explained why I'm a scum read look more like buzzword and a story that is being set up. But that's just an impression I'm getting between this game and the two I linked that are very parallel from each other.

[farside22]

I HAVE POWER BACK!

What'd I miss?

votato and bird are the biggest wagons.

[farside22]

So just lynch fotahdo...feels like I missed nothing.

Well jjh has some interesting reads. He has only explain why he is scum reading me currently. He hasn't worked on why he is town reading bird.
Or scum reading you.

[farside22]

I'm pretty sure I explained how this worked, right

majority of players have no issues explain each read they have with a reason in one post.
It seems your holding out for a fake reason, again this is based on how you gave reads out before without an issue.

[farside22]

I always give readslists without reasoning because I like people asking me about them
-It's more conversational
-It let's me develop the reads better alongside people who are interested in those reads
-It helps me better place people that are asking me about my reads
-It gives me information about what reads different players find most interesting or jarring

So if you want me to explain why I hold specific reads, ask me about specific reads. One at a time, unless two slots really need to be placed together for some reason.

Why do they need to be one at a time?
I've never seen someone say "well I have reason's for my reads of those players but I'm only going to tell you about each, one at a time" What is the purpose of that?

With that said, how about you explain your Penguin scum read next.

[farside22]

It seems your holding out for a fake reason,

Do you think this is a valid push

Idk. I know I'm not thinking about my play style so it's up to how a player interrupt my actions.
I just think it's a weird way to look at it. It's not something I see you looking at when I look at your meta so that is why it reads fake.

[farside22]

It's a recurring thing in my meta though?

Like, in that quote I posted at the top of this page from one of the two games you've used to evaluate my meta? (With the other game being a massive outlier)

I'll tell you, unless you can point to a game where you stated this was a typically thing you find scummy, I'm just going to keep saying your reason looks fake.
Because I looked to see if this is a scum tell in your book and I don't see it.

[farside22]

He's playing badly if he's town.

Agreed.

Mastina added to scum list.

[farside22]

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

And how exactly would you like to confirm votato's role? He now claimed that the target has to be attacked too in order for him to do any action.

You got to think about an RB, or something else out there that could mess with it.
I don't see why April thinks votato has to be town just based on the claim. It could be fake.

@April: Besides the claim from votato could you explain your town read on him?

[farside22]

No I read and that's the only reason I don't want to lynch you

Not a reason to put him on your scum list either.

[farside22]

Okay, I'm back!
@DEB: "Failed Mason claim"? Did you not think it was obviously fake? What was the fail?

-Calvin

Do you still think we are scum?

---

Could everyone give me their top 1-2 townreads?

-turducken

HoldenGolden

Farside is decently high still on my list. Most of the people who get close to the top posts something that pings me which is probably a sign that I need to loosen up from the gameplan I entered with.

Assuming how jj answers he can be promoted to townhood

hard disagree about jj.

a.) I....I'm not an innocent child. I was mocking your stating it's odd to have a mod confirmable role D1. I am very obviously a Reflexive Friendly Neighbor.
b.) Uh...that's the point point of my role. Scum have to choose between confirmed town or taking a shot at a more powerful role...

If I was just a Friendly Neighbor it would make sense not to out it and to target town reads at night...but I'm reflexive so it doesn't work if I don't get targeted.

Jesus.

i still dont see how a reflexive friendly neighbor fits penguin.
i also dont think thats the best use of your role. arent you more valuable if you claim later on and get used in lylo?
i could be totally off-base here. but could you cut the new guy some slack in terms of methodology and help me learn rather than be condescending?
i think this exchange is probably way past peak usefulness anyway. i hope you can see that maybe youre tunneling a bit. im sorry for doing the same to you.

Does your animal make sense for your animal role?
Most u-picks have roles and then a player picks an animal/character and the mod uses flavor for the role PM.
I'm curious why you think animal = ability.

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

No we realistically cannot given his addtional information about his role.

Town votato would be a prime target to get roleblocked. Scum votato can just claim to be rbed. Thus votato claiming to be roleblocked day 2 would be NAI.

If we do somehow coordinate a town KP, you, and votato (who all have to be town for it to work) all on the same person without scum interference, then we all should laugh before beating the scum team for being incompetent.

Tldr: the only way town!votato can be confirmed given what we know is if the scum team makes a mistake (or they dont have a roleblocker/way to stop it). As such the plan to confirm him is far too risky since scum!votato can lie about the rb and then the town KP needed to set it all off kills the target. It can be minimized I guess by choosing a scummy person to kill theoretically, but then that's also going down the rabbit hole of further role speculation.

Wastling a vigi shot probably isn't worth confirming votato.

Don’t you think he’s scum?

It’s not a waste if he’s scum.

This is literally the point of it all.

If a kill goes through, he is essentially confirmed scum. If not, then he’s town or scum and I was blocked or he was blocked. That’s great info.

People who are trying to against this are just plain scummy regardless of your read on Votato.

I’m actually dead null on Votato as of right now tbh. I just don’t care enough to think about the slot today when i can get more info out of it over night.

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

No we realistically cannot given his addtional information about his role.

Town votato would be a prime target to get roleblocked. Scum votato can just claim to be rbed. Thus votato claiming to be roleblocked day 2 would be NAI.

If we do somehow coordinate a town KP, you, and votato (who all have to be town for it to work) all on the same person without scum interference, then we all should laugh before beating the scum team for being incompetent.

Tldr: the only way town!votato can be confirmed given what we know is if the scum team makes a mistake (or they dont have a roleblocker/way to stop it). As such the plan to confirm him is far too risky since scum!votato can lie about the rb and then the town KP needed to set it all off kills the target. It can be minimized I guess by choosing a scummy person to kill theoretically, but then that's also going down the rabbit hole of further role speculation.

Wastling a vigi shot probably isn't worth confirming votato.

Don’t you think he’s scum?

It’s not a waste if he’s scum.

This is literally the point of it all.

If a kill goes through, he is essentially confirmed scum. If not, then he’s town or scum and I was blocked or he was blocked. That’s great info.

People who are trying to against this are just plain scummy regardless of your read on Votato.

I’m actually dead null on Votato as of right now tbh. I just don’t care enough to think about the slot today when i can get more info out of it over night.

Because it requires 3 Town PRs assuming that votato and you are town to pull off and has a high chance of giving scum a second kill that would be cleaned if they have a common role or if votato is scum?

Your plan has a chance. It's effectively putting all your chips on one number in roulette though. At that point we can just bet on there being an invest role to check him and free up whoever the town PRs are for use else where.

Pedit: what? Souldnt that instead implied I scumslipped since I brought up the vig comment?

There’s literally no downside...idk why people are acting like there is. We can just lynch him tomorrow if he isn’t confirmed.

No, you didn’t say that Votato and I have to target the scum kill.

Why would the scum kill matter? He doesn’t protect a regular scum kill, he can only protect people that have been janitored.

BS slipped that the scum kill is a factional janitor.

I copied a lot of quotes from April but I don't see a slip. Can you explain why you thought it was a slip?

[farside22]

I have some stronger town reads. My top scum reads are PP (waiting for confirmation), dunn, and BS. Still a whole lot of people I'm having trouble figuring out. jjh and birds are my strongest townreads.

Why BS?

[farside22]

*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses. You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

[farside22]

*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses. You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

may i ask where you just patted me?

On the horn.

[farside22]

*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses.

You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

Votato is this banter from Farside normal given your playing experience with them?

Its ongoing game stuff.

Votato wagon is for tomorrow.

Have some damn patience.

Why is it important to clear votato? You realize that the mod said roles may or may not be alignment inductive?

[farside22]

It’s not important.its just the fact that we can, why don’t we try? I’m just always kind of annoyed when people are just impatient about things and act like it’s a now or nothing kind of deal and there’s no other options and they get held up with their reads on Day 1, so that definitely has a lot to do with it.

There’s just really no harm in waiting, but there’s giant benefit if we pull it off, and it’s the lack of even caring about that that really gets me.

Worst case scenario, we lynch the next day. It’s not like he end games as scum ever, and you can even likely get more associations from herding him around, which I feel we have.

I just don’t see the point in not trying to confirm him if he’s town.

Just because he does said action does not = town.
So I'm going to ask again. How does him doing the action make him confirmed town? Do I really need to quote what the mod said about the roles?
Then I'm going to ask how do I trust you?
All your post is about protecting him and less about finding scum.

[farside22]

Haha no kidding when does fire call out the low posting easy targets?

[farside22]

Counteroffer, when does turkey not?

I don't recall fire really pushing players to begin with.

[farside22]

fotahdo is still scum but I don't think we're lynching him today for...reasons.

here you go
VOTE: votato

There it will stay until one the following:
(1) April does more then defending votato
(2) hell freezes over.
(3) votato starts looking less scummy
(4) bird votes start to appear.

[farside22]

Im sorry i missed where april explained why voltato is town that his role claim.

[farside22]

*looks* nope didn't miss that at all.

[farside22]

Wow this game drastically slowed down once the Votato wagon picked up. That’s probably scum indicative.

Who was on Holden, but not Votato?

triple vote activate

VOTE: Votato

While im asking question that will never get an answer how is shotting a player that allignment never getting flip actual help this game?

[farside22]

Oh those post were april happy with voltato as scum until his claim

[farside22]

Holden: i need your brain for a moment. I had a thought in reference to something you said earlier.

[farside22]

Mod Edit -- Click here for the Votecount on the previous page

Birds and Blatant are the main wagons right now, and they’re both defending votato. I think that’s indicative of them all being town wagons.

This is in conjunction with me just generally feeling like they’re both town.

Votato could be scum still, though

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

And how exactly would you like to confirm votato's role? He now claimed that the target has to be attacked too in order for him to do any action.

You got to think about an RB, or something else out there that could mess with it.
I don't see why April thinks votato has to be town just based on the claim. It could be fake.

@April: Besides the claim from votato could you explain your town read on him?

I’m fine with being roleblocked too, that just gives us info on the game.

I also don’t have Votato as high town, i said they could still be scum, i think it’s fine to wait a day, though in the chance that we legit do confirm him.

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

No we realistically cannot given his addtional information about his role.

Town votato would be a prime target to get roleblocked. Scum votato can just claim to be rbed. Thus votato claiming to be roleblocked day 2 would be NAI.

If we do somehow coordinate a town KP, you, and votato (who all have to be town for it to work) all on the same person without scum interference, then we all should laugh before beating the scum team for being incompetent.

Tldr: the only way town!votato can be confirmed given what we know is if the scum team makes a mistake (or they dont have a roleblocker/way to stop it). As such the plan to confirm him is far too risky since scum!votato can lie about the rb and then the town KP needed to set it all off kills the target. It can be minimized I guess by choosing a scummy person to kill theoretically, but then that's also going down the rabbit hole of further role speculation.

How do you know scum have a roleblocker?

This is also something that gets figured out this way, i don’t get the hold up.

Votato isn’t even like the #1 choice, he looks like low hanging fruit in the first place. Impatience in people is scummy.

We literally can confirm the role, votato votes are scummy.

And if a role block comes in somewhere then it’s confirmed roleblock and we can lynch votato tomorrow.

No we realistically cannot given his addtional information about his role.

Town votato would be a prime target to get roleblocked. Scum votato can just claim to be rbed. Thus votato claiming to be roleblocked day 2 would be NAI.

If we do somehow coordinate a town KP, you, and votato (who all have to be town for it to work) all on the same person without scum interference, then we all should laugh before beating the scum team for being incompetent.

Tldr: the only way town!votato can be confirmed given what we know is if the scum team makes a mistake (or they dont have a roleblocker/way to stop it). As such the plan to confirm him is far too risky since scum!votato can lie about the rb and then the town KP needed to set it all off kills the target. It can be minimized I guess by choosing a scummy person to kill theoretically, but then that's also going down the rabbit hole of further role speculation.

Wastling a vigi shot probably isn't worth confirming votato.

Don’t you think he’s scum?

It’s not a waste if he’s scum.

This is literally the point of it all.

If a kill goes through, he is essentially confirmed scum. If not, then he’s town or scum and I was blocked or he was blocked. That’s great info.

People who are trying to against this are just plain scummy regardless of your read on Votato.

I’m actually dead null on Votato as of right now tbh. I just don’t care enough to think about the slot today when i can get more info out of it over night.

Never called him town.

Rereading apeil she scum reads him till the claim then cares more about clearing him but i wondered with her constant desire to have this proof is so she looks good.

[farside22]

v/la till monday

[farside22]

How would I look good from it?

And where did I ever say you called him town?

You are blatantly misrepping.

I specifically stated you went to votato after Dunn wagon was picking up.

You also stated when Bird votes start going.

Birds is the current top wagon.

You are actively caught out fabricating and faking stuff

Your entire big wall quote is 100% irrelevant and pointless and does nothing to comment on what actually was said, you just made a defense against stuff that wasn’t even thrown at you because you felt the need to defend yourself.


Lynch Farside

Lets talk facts over fiction. I asked at least 2 times why keep a player alive based on the claim. Even if proven how does that equal town?
I also asked beside the claim why your defending votato.
Second im scum reading bird and votato the strongest. They both voted dunn. Why would i join a wagon 2 players im scum reading are voting.
Finally, you presented no case just a lot of whiny about moving my vote on someone ive stated many times im scum reading.
So your points are all moot.

[farside22]

i dont see how anyone could be townreading BS. I also dont see how half this game can be this inactive. Apparently there is no way to get momentum for a dunnstral wagon though, so VOTE: farside. This game has too many pages to be this stagnant in terms of wagons. im confused.

It feels to me like you've been wagon hopping to whoever is attracting general thread attention at the moment (BS, then Dunnstral, then farside). Do you agree with that assessment? Which of the three do you think is most likely to flip scum?

-Hobbes

Im just going to leave the omgus vote and lack of scum hunting from votato post here.

[farside22]

How would I look good from it?

And where did I ever say you called him town?

You are blatantly misrepping.

I specifically stated you went to votato after Dunn wagon was picking up.

You also stated when Bird votes start going.

Birds is the current top wagon.

You are actively caught out fabricating and faking stuff

Your entire big wall quote is 100% irrelevant and pointless and does nothing to comment on what actually was said, you just made a defense against stuff that wasn’t even thrown at you because you felt the need to defend yourself.


Lynch Farside

Lets talk facts over fiction. I asked at least 2 times why keep a player alive based on the claim. Even if proven how does that equal town?
I also asked beside the claim why your defending votato.
Second im scum reading bird and votato the strongest. They both voted dunn. Why would i join a wagon 2 players im scum reading are voting.
Finally, you presented no case just a lot of whiny about moving my vote on someone ive stated many times im scum reading.
So your points are all moot.

That’s what I’ve been talking.

A mechanical god even stated that there’s no reason to go Votato today.

Why would I need any other reason to defend him? People act like that’s not enough for a Day 1 defense. It completely is, and I don’t feel like he makes that claim up.

You misrepped. I don’t need a strong case, i need to warrant agenda, which you did.

You’ve lied. You effectively stated you would go birds if more votes were there, well with your vote, you’d have made them the leading wagon, so that was a mixed response


You acting like I’m stating nothing is just plain wrong.

Not all the points might be reasons to go for.

Also, if you say I’m pushing something fictious, why aren’t you pushing it as scum, because town has no reason to push something as fiction. You are using that as an excuse to try and discredit my case, not push me, which is a scum indicative push.


As town, I very much believe in my push, and sure, I wasn’t like dead set on you being scum, this is day 1, but I feel like there’s enough there to have merit in the push, and to believe what I am pushing in, so regardless if I was wrong about your alignment, the merit of the push itself is genuine, just the wrong conclusion would be there. However, in its stead, you choose to discredit, which only benefits ScumFarside.

A FUCKING ROLE IN THE GAME DOES NOT MAKE THAT PLAYER TOWN!!!

Like do I need to say that over and over again or does the caps do it for you. Why the fuck does it mater?
You continue to ignore that question repeatedly. I don't know who your alt is but I swear this will be the last game I play with someone like you regardless of alignment.

Anyway, thanks Votato
I needed half of the living playerlist so I can either make my own or lynch someone who hasn't made one

Is this why you think I'm scum? Because your case doesn't make me scummy at all.

Because Farside/Dunnstral contains 1-2 scum and Votato/Mastina contains 0 scum

Why do you think the above is true?


I have a feeling in 5 hours I won't get a response I see lazy wagon going on Dunn.


I need to iso mastina

[farside22]

Upon further review I'd prefer to lynch Votato over Mastina

You would have to write up a case. No one seems to read my post other then ooooo she is tunnel she must be scum.

Even votato knows that is part of my way.

[farside22]

mastina if you are around I'm curing what your town to scum list is. You haven't produced on this game.

[farside22]

Im around if you need it.
I dont see anything exciting from DEB either way.

[farside22]

VOTE: dr easy bake

[farside22]

Why? Why fight a lynch on a player to prove there role just to track them? Please tell me something that doesn't make me rant post game.

[farside22]

Why? Why fight a lynch on a player to prove there role just to track them? Please tell me something that doesn't make me rant post game.

This seems like angry scum

I called him scum all day 1. Are you really this bad?
You complained out not lynching him and wanting to prove him and called me scum for wanting to lynch him.
Like i have no good words to even start on how shitty i think you whole play is.
I was going to wait for post game for some of this but i cant for the life of me think there is anything remotely good about you so called reads.
I wouldn't be surprised your bussing your scum budy for town credit at this point. At least then i would find your behavior redeeming in same way.
I hope you are scum, but if you aren't I will make post game very uncomfortable for you.

VOTE: votato

[farside22]

The prosecution rests its case


Time to reread peoples reactions to Votato bandwagon day 1

Jjh was against the lynch and i recall bird called him town. Chemist didn't comment about him at all.
Those are the ones i recall

[farside22]

I have NEWS.

Also, did everyone get that 1-shot janitor message then?

~Cosmic

I did.

Should I out the person???

~Cosmic

Was going to say yes but i see that happened.

Farside was role blocked last night.

Scum is Mastina/Chemist/Birds somewhere probably.

Chemist/bird? Why bird wrote a case early on chemist and was pushing his lynch.
Do you know who rb me?

Votecount 1.12

votato(7)

~ Conspire, Calvin and Hobbes, Birds and the Boys, April Ludgate, PenguinPower, mastina, HoldenGolden

PenguinPower(1)

~ jjh927

Bingle(1)

~ votato

Blatant Scum(1)

~ Clover Ebi

Clover Ebi(1)

~ farside22


Not Voting (6): Bingle, Blatant Scum, chemist1422, Creature, Dr Easy Bake, Dunnstral

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:45:20)

Joint Mod ISO

Mastina is voting here

Mastina also voted votato pretty early and soft cc'ed him.
Not sure why binges read is a focus. Im sure ill be the odd man out, but i agree with dunn more then this push and clover leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Vote: jjh

[farside22]

Vote: jjh

Bingle was also wrong when he defended votato and called votato locktown.

Was Bingle scum for holding that opinion?

...No?

...Yes, precisely.

Bingle and jjh are two people in the same state of mind, more or less. They see the world incredibly similarly. Both thought votato was town; both were wrong. It, already proved with Bingle, doesn't make them scum. jjh is still town.

That's not the only reason I'm scum reading him.
You do realize he was not only dramatically opposed to the wagon, even when it came to trying to get a lynch for the end of the day he wouldn't lynch votato and never stated why he town read the guy.
I could go on but there is also other things I find scummy about the guy, but what did you make of back and forth with Dunn and JJh?

this is roughly where I’m at

Penguinpower
Dunnstral/Conspire/Clover Ebi
Farside/Holden/Birds
Jjh
Chemist
Mastina

I don’t expect to be correct completely with the bottom 3.

I would probably switch birds and chemist, but I'm not sure about Mastina right now and clover is on my scum list.

[farside22]

Dunnstral and Farside are still scum though

Just, Dunnstral more clearly than Farside now.

With no reason why that is.

Okay I've read the last few pages now

VOTE: Mastina

Your reads aren't adapting as far as I can tell

Says the player that reads are not adapting.

There goes Clover still making me want to lynch him. Solid town.

I have to wonder about you PP. I'm assuming this is a thing you and Clover go through.......is there a time you played he was scum?

Yeah you started shifting the wagon without any way of knowing who would show up a little after this VC

It's the main reason I suspect you

The main reason I'm not voting you right now is that my reads have been garbage and I'd rather sheep April at this point

Lets get down to facts. Around the push for the end of the day you stated this little gem

I'm not voting votato

There was 2 hours left till deadline and votato was at l-3
When this occurred

If every one of us moved to Dr Easy Bake, I think we have similar odds of lynching there as we do Votato.

Assuming jjh doesn't vote Votato, but does settle on Dr easy Bake.

His vote is notably absent here as well.

Thoughts?

It was 20 minutes later then your vote and a few other people said they would change their votes and would feel more comfortable voting elsewhere. Why you ignored that is beyond me.
But I digress.
You never switched your vote to help lynch anyone at the end of the day. How does that help?
You are literally calling 1 player scum who where pushing for a scum lynch more during day 1 and you said your reads are still the same. (You know the player you called out scum for tunneling, which I said I do)

I'm going to say jjh on his fake shit. Call it a day.

Oooohhhhh and before I forget I may feel differently about bird with the end of day 1 and his vote, but idk the only push he made was on chemist and Aero can be sometimes hard to read.

[farside22]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam.

Wow Krazy mod confirming my claim there cool stuff

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him.

@Dunn - This just looks like Scum TMI, tbh.

It feels like Mastina is using JJH.

I want to blame you for making me think of those 2 as possible scum together. I should say I thought about your comment from earlier about them as scum together. Mastina saying she finds jjh town just because his request from the mod was confirmed really shouldn't be the icing on the cake for Mastina to declare a player town. I wondered if it was an act so that jjh looks town based on interactions.
Then I thought why would jjh bus his scum buddy now when he wouldn't do it day 1.
Well then he just hoped off as easily and voted chemist whom I don't recall him saying anything about.
Now I realize I'm making my head spin trying to see connections I should know by now mean nothing and look at each individually.

So in regards to Mastina she hasn't done he scum to town list I've noticed this game. Her vote on April looks to be for saving votato day 1 and allowing the ability to be used.
I so would love to believe that........like I feel my heart so yes please let that be scum helping their scum buddy and not an ego inflated player that wanted to show off they could use their ability to find scum.
If you saw that I was grinding my teeth you would know which way I was leaning on April.
Mastina continues to defend jjh for pretty weak reason and I don't see anything town coming from her after my review.
Usually as town she pushes her scum reads more and I find it fascinating that jjh seems to ignore mastina for most of the game. She also is trying to soft claim a role that I'm about ooooooo90% fake at this point given the following flips this far: crazy/EB bodyguard lovers and C&H human doc

vote; mastina

[farside22]

Mastina saying she finds jjh town just because his request from the mod was confirmed really shouldn't be the icing on the cake for Mastina to declare a player town.

Except it was exactly that.

It's not like jjh was a total dead null to me and having his role be mod-confirmed magically moved him to locktown.

He was already a locktown read; having his role be mod-confirmed was just the final nail in the coffin to solidify it beyond any shadow of a doubt (when there was already none to be had). Which if you use a different metaphor other than 'final nail in the coffin', yes, would be 'the icing on the cake'. The final topping on top of an already-solid base.

Her vote on April looks to be for saving votato day 1 and allowing the ability to be used.

Oh?

Farside, let me ask you.
Where was I voting D1?

Where was I voting

all

of D1 pretty much?

Was it April as you are saying here, to 'protect' votato?

...No?

...Okay, so I wasn't voting April; who

was

I voting?

...I'll let you get back to me on that.

She also is trying to soft claim a role that I'm about ooooooo90% fake at this point given the following flips this far: crazy/EB bodyguard lovers and C&H human doc

I don't fakeclaim roles and it should be painfully transparent what my role is considering that, yes, I have softed it from the very beginning of D1.

I’m obnoxious and beautiful, but I’m not scum. And Mastina’s lack of any other reads besides strong town on JJH and Scum pushing me is a scum positioning tool.

ROLES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ALIGNMENT. IT'S IN THE FUCKING RULES!
My god do I have to say that 10 more times this game. Just because the guy has the role doesn't = fucking town. You of all players know that and I expect 100x better from you as a player.
Why is jjh town? Like his whole game play is pushing crap and actively lurking. Pushing on something he calls a scum tell that in my search history HE DOESN'T CALL A FUCKING SCUM TELL EVER.
You have yet to explain your town read on him at all.
And again I expect a list with your read when you are town. I expect your scum reads to make some sense and being able to have a discussion is a very key thing that I see missing from you.
So yes you voted votato day 1, I stated as much. Did you really push the lynch? No. Did you say much about your scum read other then role related reason? No.


@Clover: Who are your scum reads?

[farside22]

She's the most talked about slot at the moment and if she is lynched I think that'll reveal a few peoples hands. Mostly since I don't feel very strongly about other lynches I think this is the best way to go about it.

Well that is incredibly vague and very convenient for you.

FOS

VOTE: jjh

I'll stick my strongest scum suspect and see who avoids it and why.

[farside22]

Well that is incredibly vague and very convenient for you.

I know and I don't like it.

I'll give you kudos' for making me laugh out loud.

[farside22]

mastina is a bad lynch.

Your not even voting anyone. I did ask you about your history with Clover.

[farside22]

Well that is incredibly vague and very convenient for you.

I know and I don't like it.

I'll give you kudos' for making me laugh out loud.

I'm glad to hear it. I'm here to entertain. I suppose I'll just hope more content comes up and try to be less vague. No promises though.

If I could stop feeling like this when I'm playing the games:



I should probably try to be more goofy

[farside22]

mastina is a bad lynch.

Your not even voting anyone. I did ask you about your history with Clover.

Consider my vote on jjh. I just want to hammer.

What about my history with Clover? We played one game together and I was adamant he was scum because he acted scummy but he was town. So, whenever I feel like Clover is scum, I’m going to think I’m wrong.

Just checking. I feeling a little crabby after day1.

[farside22]

That gif is sooooo cute!!!! <3

[farside22]

Both conspire and C&H are lurking, and every time conspire appears it seems to be to try and get my wagon going again. because its lingered so long, and because the people on it seem to have tunneled so hard, i feel like theres gotta be at least one, probably two scum pushing my wagon, so in {BS, conspire, PP, (C&H)}.

Calvin's dead. Penpow's gotta be town. Bla could be scum off of this unless he's actually just listed all town slots.

~Cosmic

Rafiki was making his way through his rounds in the morning, wondering what gruesome horror he would discover next.

"It's a dangerous life, in the animal kingdom,"

he mused.

"Hard time, being an animal, for sure."

He was most nervous walking along the beach, since that's the place he'd seen the body from last night. And low and behold... there was... something? there.

"Is that... is that one of the bad guys?"

he asked himself. He walked closer and poked and prodded, trying to figure it out.

"Seems more fox than human... man, what an ironic way to go... a

fire fox

being

drowned

. Wait, is that irony, or is that... thematic appropriteness?"

He considered this as the day went on, reporting his findings to the town.

Blatant Scum was drowned... he was a...

Spoiler:

Town Transforming Jack of All Trades

Welcome to Krazy's Animal upick!



You are a Fire Fox, a

town transforming jack of all trades

.

Flavor Mech:

Fox Form --

You can be targeted by effects that would target mystical animals.

Kitsune Form --

You can be targeted by effects that would target any unnatural animal.

Mech:
Passive: Transforming -- When you are out of Jack of All Trade Shots, you will change from Fox Form, which you begin as, into Kitsune Form. In Kitsune Form, you will be a Human Miller; alignment-based role actions will not show you as aligned with the town, and full alignment cops will show you as aligned with the human faction.

Active: Jack of all Trades -- You can use the following abilities once each:
Flavor Vigilante: You will remove the flavor restrictions from a player, making them targetable by any flavor-gated ability (natural, unnatural, mystical, etc.)
Commuter Cop: You will learn whether a player has the ability to commute at night or not (Note, will give no result if the player is currently commuting)
Lurker Lover: You can target a player at night and give them the "Loved" modifier for the following day, increasing the necessary threshold to lynch by one. This will

only work if the player you target has the lowest post-count in the game among all living players,

otherwise the action will fail and the shot not refunded. You can ask the mod who has the lowest post count in the game; it includes replacement predecessors.

Win:

You win when the mafia has died.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Confirm:

Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

[farside22]

Okay. Chemist, birds and boys, Dunnstral. No particular order. That's the scumteam in its entirety. Everyone else in the game is town.

OMGUS much? Why us? Why Dunnstral who another one of your town reads said they received a message indicating they were town and unless the JoAT who sent the message is in your list of three scum would also mean town?

These scumreads are comically terrible. Are you Dr. Doofenshmirtz?

VOTE: Clover Ebi die scum die

I'm very confused by this vote change and I don't see any reason why you have a scum read on Clover.

Like, I felt a similar way with that list thing implying you were town, but Mastina chose to openly make a comment on it, and play off of it.

That, and I don’t really see you two as Scum/Scum moreso than you being used as a Mastina Ploy.

If I’m wrong, sure, maybe you’re scum, and she’s town, but nothing Mastina has done com3s across as townie to me. It looks as if all her positioning has been stuff that town “should do” rather than what town “actually do”.

I think they are both scum. It's interesting in this dynamic because Mastian basically calls him town and looks to be buddying him but no one is town reading the spot. So why would scum mastina buddy a player that no one town reads? Where jjh voted mastina for some unknown reason and quickly unvoted to vote a player he has said nothing about. I agree about the AtE approach he had just recently. Jjh moved pretty quickly off a "scum read" to calling her town for no reason either.
As I said I'm more confident in jjh as scum but I think they are both scum for different reason. After playing in gun & roses what scum do with interaction is not something I'm trying to focus on as scum. I'm taking them individually scummy.

[farside22]

To be fair, I town read JJH based on my ScumMastina read.

I see the pairings, I just feel that that’s what’s supposed to be seen, if that makes sense

I'd think town would be more paranoid by the town read early based on very little or question a player about the town read. I typically am if someone buddies me or follows me. That's why neither of them read real genuine.

[farside22]

LOL who is misty?

[farside22]

The people who I am scumreading seem to be gravitating towards lynching Chemist, and I'm not convinced that it's not just because he's the easiest vote

I feel the same way about it. Jjh vote especially. I would say jjh entire game has been lack luster and again I don't know how people can ignore his lack of read changes on day 3 to a sudden scum read for no reason on Mastina to town mastian to sudden scum read on Chemist all with no reason stated.

My scum list looks more like this: jjh, conspire, bird, mastina
I feel pretty good with it. Mostly POE at this point but bird and jjh would be the strongest of my scum reads. Mastina.......well it is still odd how she is acting this game and I can't shake it.

[farside22]

You forgot to add me to your scumreads Ms farside

Would anyone be available for a bird wagon?

You won me over.
I really would like to play goofy but I have a feeling no one would let me. Let just say it is based on who I'm scum reading and your claim wasn't something I could see scum doing. The confusion helps the town more.

I would be up for bird but jjh has a bigger wagon currently.
Can you tell me why you won't vote for jjh?

[farside22]

At daybreak, I may include flavor text (depending on my availability and schedule). Everyone has flavor. This is a theme game. You are not explicitly prohibited from speculating about flavor text, although, to be clear, a lot of the narrative-style information in my flavor reveals will not be based on night action content. Alignment is randomized and not based on flavor.

I don't think it matters.

[farside22]

There is a really nice and easy way of placing me where you look at my votes in context and you see what I was doing there, and what I was thinking. Usually people eventually start to do that after playing with me in a game for a bit, rather than scumreading me for not explicitly stating everything I'm doing or thinking. It's all there. You can ask me what I was thinking at previous points in time and I'll probably be able to tell you, too. But it looks like you're not evem reading the few explanations that ARE there for my votes and behaviour, because you think I switched to scumreading Mastina for no reason. I never scumread Mastina, but I gave reasons for the vote which I couldn't uphold for very long at all.

I'm not a player that assumes every action especially on one that barely makes a case.

[farside22]

Wow thats a lot of busy work from bird.

@jjh: who are your current scum reads besides chemist?

[farside22]

Farside, what is your read on these people and why:
- chemist
- mastina
- conspire

I explain madtin multiple times this game day.
Ate you trying to get a read on players or look busy?
If the first, how do you have no reads on the players your questioning?
I'm not discussing chemist as many players scum read him that im scum reading and im not going to help scum make any case.
Conspire reads a bit under the radar. Not actively scum hunting, which is why he is on my scum list.
Why are you not questioning jjh?

[farside22]

Wow thats a lot of busy work from bird.

@jjh: who are your current scum reads besides chemist?

Busy work...?

- turducken

Asking a lot of rapid questions in which some have been responded to earlier and looks like asking questions just to ask.
I call it busy work.

[farside22]

Ive seen scum do it more then town to create confusion and a bit to add cover for their own inability to discuss things in the game or make cases.

[farside22]

Farside, what is your read on these people and why:
- chemist
- mastina
- conspire

I explain madtin multiple times this game day.
Ate you trying to get a read on players or look busy?
If the first, how do you have no reads on the players your questioning?
I'm not discussing chemist as many players scum read him that im scum reading and im not going to help scum make any case.
Conspire reads a bit under the radar. Not actively scum hunting, which is why he is on my scum list.
Why are you not questioning jjh?

1. You underestimate how much of a game I actually read as either alignment.
2. I do ask the same or largely the same question multiple times to lock in the other person's reads.

---

I am trying to get a read on players. Part of it is asking people about their reads. Part of it is understanding why other players read someone a certain way.
What makes you think that I do not have a read on the players I am questioning?

---

So, you're town reading Chemist then?

---

We think that JJH is scum. We also think that probing other people is good for the game considering how quickly yesterday went.

I have april as scum because she keeps changing her claim whenever it gets doubted

I had birds as scum for symmetry pretty much, they're about null but I didn't want to have to make an extra tier for them

Well, at least you're honest.

I think that is interesting that April decided to claim miller today when we had three miller claims yesterday and she remained tight lipped about it.

- turducken

I don't see players throwing a bunch of questions to all players the way you do and it look like what you are describing. If it's about understanding someone's scum read I will ask again why you aren't pushing jjh for his scum reads with reason? You chose not to ask certain players for a reason?
As for chemist he is null. I see things I don't like, I see things that are cringe worthy but I see scum voting for him so I'm not helping the scum butts to make a case.
Is the gobble talking?

[farside22]

3v4 although really 4v4 because Chemist probably votes jjh in this scenario.

hmmm

It will be very informative lynch. I have 3 scum reads on Chemist so I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole.

[farside22]

Im half wonder if scum are bussing. I still noted a big lack of case on chemist and it isn't hard one to make. This game confuses me on that basis.

[farside22]

we are an activatable double voter so chem is functionally at l-1 right now

claim time chemmy boy

- turducken

Odd cop/Even messenger

Got an inno on Dunn n1 then sent it to Conspire n2

Does the player who receive the message know who sent it?

[farside22]

And why did you send it to conspire?

[farside22]

Just Owl?

Nothing more nothing less?

Not a special kind of owl. Not a pokemon owl. Just owl?

I think this claim is town. I'll check with my birds and bros about what they feel about it

The pool I am looking at it is {JJH, Farside, Clober Ebi, April, Conspire}

VOTE: Conspire

- turducken

Why conspire?

The reason I didn't vote JJH before is I don't really get scummy vibes from him, but a lot of my townreads are on him so I'm gonna trust their judgment. Chem being the counter wagon is confusing. Mostly because I can see both cases where Chem is lynchbait or the target bus.

Let's work with the Three C's then starting with me. You say that the JJ isn't a scum read, and you are mixed about the Chem wagon. Is there an Off-wagon you think should be spotlighted?

I'm really confident Bird hydra is scum at the moment. It's probably the most confident I've been on a scumread since I got to this site. The way they're changing reads and using their claim I can't see the town motivation in at all. I'm a little biased because I first noticed it when their read changed on me with no question at all, but I'm sure if I looked I could find other examples. You would think a hydra would be on the same page when so few heads are posting, but I just think they're not town. If we assume chemist is town as well that just looks worse on Bird.

I agree at this point. You realize he just asked a bunch of filler questions and I haven't seen him respond to a few of my question nor did he do anything with the info he got.

I feel confident in my jjh scum read too but I think they are both scum.

[farside22]

Okay I actually buy that claim huh

I was apprehensive about trusting the messenger thing when it was just conspire saying the thing because of what happened last game

I should probably claim too.

UNVOTE:

*pause while scum looks for fake claim*

[farside22]

I am here now

Apparently I would like everyone to make a list of their favourite dinosaurs
Top 5 or whatever IDK

Seriously though part of my role PM is genuinely gated behind getting people to make ranked lists of their favourite dinosaurs

It's actually only half the playerlist that has to do one

I might be able to include myself. I might do one in a bit

Anyway, thanks Votato
I needed half of the living playerlist so I can either make my own or lynch someone who hasn't made one

Also I think I must be a flavourcop miller because if you flavourcop me then I'm a dimetrodon which has nothing to do with dinosaurs

Which I still haven't done a list by the way and really tells me very little.

[farside22]

notice my vote not moving.

[farside22]

Because it's what I almost claimed

Just going to let this one sit and wonder why more people aren't voting.
And not to out guess the mod even though it's hard not to. You have to have 1/2 the town do something and you get only 1 shot ability when complete seems pretty freeking implausible.
Never mind that he held onto it because.........?????????
Should I mention that April stated she saw someone RB me night 2 or am I done making a point yet?

[farside22]

No those are pretty dumb points

Thats nice.
I will note you have made a case on anyone this game so you can kiss my dumb ass.

[farside22]

I'd bet money there is more ro his role then he's claiming. But no betting is allowed so lets say I would be not shocked to find out his role was more then what he claimed.

[farside22]

we are an activatable double voter so chem is functionally at l-1 right now

claim time chemmy boy

- turducken

Odd cop/Even messenger

Got an inno on Dunn n1 then sent it to Conspire n2

D:

Sorry for pushing you, Misty.

~Cosmic

Why no unvote?

[farside22]

I'm thinking about where I want to move it. What'd you think?

~Cosmic

Jjh or bird

[farside22]

Farside, how about when I flip not only as town but also without anything omitted from my role PM, you write an apology of significant length chronicling your many failings in reading me and all the things you got wrong

I feel like that's a fair loss of a dignity that you can wager with

Lets see you called votato town and me scum.

Im feeling really good with mtly reads thus far.
You haven't even made a fucking case. You've lurked, voted a lurker and have no scjm reads. Been hypocritical at worst and scummy at best.
So yes im goid with my scum read because between bird, you, mastina and conspire im sure i have 2 if not all 3 scum down. Your scum list is who again?
So trying to shame my read regardless of your alignment is just tacky

[farside22]

That is very cute pic.

[farside22]

What questions have I missed? I thought I answered all of the ones that you asked.- turducken

Farside

You asked questions that you did nothing with.
Remember I called out your busy work there. I think a few never followed up. And I wondered why you never pushed jjh for his reads.

ok now to catch up

what is happening and where is everyone

Chemist claimed odd night cop and even night messenger and sent the message to conspire (the person you replaced).
jjh claimed to have to get 1/2 the players to make a list in order to gain a 1xrb that stop actions from targeting a player as well as rb that player and says he hasn't used it.
April claimed to see votato target a player that is dead (votato was lynched day 2 and flipped scum). She targetted me with a voyeur ability and say I was RB last night.
jjh has no scum reads. Chemist has no scum reads and PP claimed an IC only when targetted.

I think I covered most claims and were some stand.

[farside22]

Its day 3. Sitting a bitching about others isn't really helpful or going to change any ones scum read. It just reinforces my scum read.
In honor of jjh i will be posting a song

[farside22]

[farside22]

@bird: Why the vote on conspire

[farside22]

While im asking questions at bird whom else are you scum reading at this point?

[farside22]

Farside, I believe I already answered that question in 2335. I will quote the relevant portions for you.

No body has really pressured Conspire and that hydra has not really done anything townie lately so its a good vote. JJH is also a good vote too. We think Chemist is town. Mastina is town. Dunnstral is town. PP is town. That is our core.Of the other names in the group, you, Farside, and April have plausible role interactions that make you town.

See my post to Clover about Conspire. They haven't done anything today and I find that suspicious. I also do not think they have done anything really townie all game.What questions have I missed? I thought I answered all of the ones that you asked.

---

We think that JJH could be the roleblocker that blocked you last night, Farside. We think that JJH's play has been erratic and not quite townie. We have been abundantly clear that we are ok with voting him. We think that the Conspire/Miss Lynch slot has also not been very townie this game. Conspire in particular has not pushed any real suspects and continues to rely on a terrible meta case against us as their basis for voting us.

Our POE pool beyond those two is {Clover, Farside, April}. However, all of those individuals have reasons that we believe could make them town.

- turducken

Why is mastina a town read?

[farside22]

Not sure who you are talking to holden.

[farside22]

It was mainly to April. I'm not quite following the logic she proposed about bird being scum due to the mastina town read since it's a proxy read ("X is scum because of their read on Y and that doesnt make sense" vs "X is scum because of their read on Y which shows scum motivation Z, AZ, and BZ ways."

But in general if people disagree with my take and want to debate the points raised there too I'm down.

Waiting to see what Miss Lynch does

Ah. I can see your thought about April talking about killing mastina and not being blocked was one i did chew on. It is a gamble and she says she wasn't blocked because she saw votato.
I wouldn't mind see what April thought of that.

[farside22]

Well there is just over 24 hours left in the day.
So......

[farside22]

Farside is scum.

When Farside gathers shit from my play to make points about, the filters are all wrong. Instead of searching for convincingly alignment indicative shit, she is looking for literally anything that can be spun as indicating that I am scum. I'd much rather believe someone with a join date that early is scum, rather than totally incompetent.


I am an alien and I have holstered. I don't get why people are finding it convincing that I roleblocked Farside when, if I could do such a thing, I would have claimed it. There is no reason for me to not claim it if that's what it was.



I don't think people are likely to actually listen to anything I've said even after I flip town, tbh.

Sure, sure ill sit on my ass, have no suspects, no imput and be just like you who didn't push anyone that flipped scum. That play style sounds so much better!!

Like no mater your alignment you attitude and hypocrisy is really unnecessary

[farside22]

Just putting things in the game of import is chemist claim of dunn, april see votato target binge, pp was targeted by binge and verified his claim. Poe at this point.

[farside22]

VOTE: bird
Also i noted once this game went to night mastina was active posting elsewhere. She has been very lurky this game in comparison.

[farside22]

Also, our role is explicitly messed with by millers so April not claiming miller day 1 was potentially disastrous.

- turducken

I will reiterate that we literally die by the next day and can possibly confirm someone as town so wasting a lynch on us is bad.

- turducken

Holden were you a 1-shot vig?

- turducken

I am. I'll fully claim.

1 shot vig confused miller. Shot was on bingle as previously mentioned. Flavour of vig KP is

Shot

. I can claim flavour if needed.

Dont you have a list of confirm townies and are suppose to die due to role?

Be here more in a bit

Only happens at end of day today

Tell me how all they work together as possible bird?

So your saying unless we lynch scum town loses? You also still have done nothing with any info you asked questions about from everyone yesterday or what you gathered from your questions.
And finally I have been calling you scum for many days. From you push on Chem to doing nothing that looks like scum hunting most of this game.

[farside22]

VOTE: bird
Also i noted once this game went to night mastina was active posting elsewhere. She has been very lurky this game in comparison.

And if you had read said posting elsewhere, you'd have known why. In short, I was planning to post here, but stuff in real life came up, stuff more important than any game of mafia. The lack of posting wasn't intentional so much as unfortunate incidental.

On that note though; I am fucking pissed because you people fucking lynched the slot I was protecting every single night. No, really; I protected jjh both N1 and N2 and am bloody pissed about that lynch. You lynched the person who was SO town that I was doccing them.

So instead of protecting confirmed town like Dunn or PP you didn't protect those two? Who did you protect night 3?

[farside22]

VOTE: bird
Also i noted once this game went to night mastina was active posting elsewhere. She has been very lurky this game in comparison.

And if you had read said posting elsewhere, you'd have known why. In short, I was planning to post here, but stuff in real life came up, stuff more important than any game of mafia. The lack of posting wasn't intentional so much as unfortunate incidental.

On that note though; I am fucking pissed because you people fucking lynched the slot I was protecting every single night. No, really; I protected jjh both N1 and N2 and am bloody pissed about that lynch. You lynched the person who was SO town that I was doccing them.

So instead of protecting confirmed town like Dunn or PP you didn't protect those two? Who did you protect night 3?

That's also not really at all what Mastina said in this post. She might have protected either Dunn or PP last night.

Blant scum verified pp claim day 2.

[farside22]

Also mastina has been soft claiming since day 1, why would i be rb n2 instead of her?

[farside22]

Also, our role is explicitly messed with by millers so April not claiming miller day 1 was potentially disastrous.

- turducken

I will reiterate that we literally die by the next day and can possibly confirm someone as town so wasting a lynch on us is bad.

- turducken

Holden were you a 1-shot vig?

- turducken

I am. I'll fully claim.

1 shot vig confused miller. Shot was on bingle as previously mentioned. Flavour of vig KP is

Shot

. I can claim flavour if needed.

Dont you have a list of confirm townies and are suppose to die due to role?

Be here more in a bit

Only happens at end of day today

Tell me how all they work together as possible bird?

How don't they work together? I don't think you are really reading what I've said in these posts. You're also missing the very first time I claimed which I explicitly state we die at the end of day 4.

We die at the end of day 4 due to our role. We target people at night and then one of them will be made an innocent child (if they are alive and town, if multiple targets fit that bill then it is randomized between them). Our two targets are still alive so far.

So your saying unless we lynch scum town loses? You also still have done nothing with any info you asked questions about from everyone yesterday or what you gathered from your questions.And finally I have been calling you scum for many days. From you push on Chem to doing nothing that looks like scum hunting most of this game.

Come again? Where have I ever said that if we do not lynch scum today, town loses?

I have been abundantly clear that me asking questions is to tie people to their reads on certain people at that point in time. I do not know how much explicitly I must state that. You really do not seem to be attempting to understand or read what I am typing.

You haven't done the math with your claim?

[farside22]

I agree with mass claim

Probably for the best. Character with ability i assume?
I'd like bird to full claim

[farside22]

I'm in the middle of catch up. I saw a post from Dunn about his ability. Chemist claimed he was an owl, so shouldn't he have been neighborized?
Also I caught what April caught, which is why I asked bird if they did the math with there role claim.
And I still think mastina is scum

[farside22]

Oh and ML refusing to claim is very scummy in my eyes.

[farside22]

And I'm caught up.
So here is where things need to get an explanation. Why did Dunn's ability fail?
Chemist claimed he was RB last night so you can forgo that conclusion in regards to Dunn's claim. Chemist claimed he was an owl so again I see no reason why Dunn's ability against chemist didn't work and I'm going to go out on a limb and say he is lying.
I do have to think about what the mod says about 7 possible dead in a day in regards to birds claim.


Going back to the known/verified for a moment.
April followed Votato and found he shot went to 2 players and voyuered me and saw I was RB.
Chemist claimed owl with an innocent on Dunn and messaged to conspire (ML) who said they knew Dunn was innocent.
Clover claimed his ability was responsible for why Bingle died and ninja ability.
Dunn is an animal neighborizor, neighbor did not work against chemist.



@Clover who did you get your oracle on and what was the info?

[farside22]

Oh yeah and fwiw Dunn was 100% roleblocked, because BS made me targetable no matter flavor restrictions, and I'm not a commuter or ascetic

You said you were rb

[farside22]

Chemist were you roleblocked or do you have a result?

roleblocked

[farside22]

Farside can you claim your animal

Lemur

I will not mass claim. I'm opposed to it on principle. It makes games boring and unfun and stupid. If you lynch me on that I will not be disappointed in the slightest.

How does it make the game boring, unfun, stupid?
It helps town win more often then lose.
Are you trying to help the game or hurt the game?

[farside22]

There's a difference between earning a win due to reliably communicating with other players to achieve a lynch on your agreed upon scum reads, and everybody sharing what role they got and then just lynching out of the the roles that are the least likely to be town. If I wanted to play the second game, I'd just review setups all day, because setup speculation is all it is. It takes little to no skill, and it's a crutch that prevents players from getting to actually play mafia. Winning through it feels like cheating, losing because of it feels like being robbed.

Players communicate poorly.
Scum gets caughts in lies. Town can narrow down reads.
Its not just wifom or setup spec.

[farside22]

Example currently is chemist claimed owl cop/messenger. Says he was rb but dunn claim animal neighborizor whose action failed when targwting chemist.
Whom do you believe?

[farside22]

crazy thought.
We could no lynch to see if birds claim is true. If true only he dies as town and we have a confirmed player he listed that most are scum reading...
Thoughts?

[farside22]

@bird: does only 1 player show if town or anyone you target that is town is known?

That isn't a bad idea. However, I want to lynch Miss Lynch for that slot's lack of any real scumhunting

No im still leaning you, mastina and i think chemist is lying scum at this point so im not going to agree with you only option.

[farside22]

@bird: does only 1 player show if town or anyone you target that is town is known?

That isn't a bad idea. However, I want to lynch Miss Lynch for that slot's lack of any real scumhunting

No im still leaning you, mastina and i think chemist is lying scum at this point so im not going to agree with you only option.

It is randomly selected of the people who are still alive. We could no lynch and that would probably be fine too.

- turducken

Hmmm i was hoping for better then that.

@April: the only reason i suggested it is if bird is scum we confirmed his lie and he gets lynched the next day. If bird is town and he targeted those 3 players if one flips town that helps some poe. If none flip town we know they are all scum.

unvote

[farside22]

Well lets verify dunns claim.

Bird?

[farside22]

Im a non consecutive bus driver.
I can tell you i didn't target chemist last night which is why i believe he is lying.

[farside22]

April is a komodo dragon yet is also a miller apparently.

And Blatant Scum was firefox a miller.

I thought jjh claimed komodo?

[farside22]

Farside do not claim any further.

With Farside's claim that means Miss Lynch has to be the roleblocker.

I believe you are smarter then this.
My role claim, your role claim and mastina are not proven roles.

So im going to ask you again. Did dunn target you? Where you in a pt with him only?

[farside22]

I suspected a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

[farside22]

I

suspected

a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

Suggested

[farside22]

I suspected a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

What if I said we don't die at the end of Day 4...

Id ask why you lied.

[farside22]

You know before this pandemic started i would occasionally feel the need for a drink. Playing mafia my need is becoming more often and I'm not a drinker.

[farside22]

Farside, actually, I would like you to claim your action from last night if you targeted Miss Lynch.

I did not target miss lynch.

I did target you as 1 of 2 people.

[farside22]

VOTE: mastina

[farside22]

Question, can you target clover (did ge claim miller)
You could target me. I can't do anything tonight anyway

[farside22]

VOTE: mastina

I think I would rather kill Miss Lynch.

I feel more confident in mastina/chemist scum team. I'm concerned that you don't want to lynch either of them with your results.
As I said Chemist got caught in a lie, I don't know why you would think they were town at that point.

[farside22]

I think it's either Chemist/Mastina or Birds for scum

Well it would be a hard fought battle with bird scum bussing both chemist/mastina at this point. I'm starting to wonder about clover or holden at this point, but I'll worry about that another game day.

[farside22]

I don't think Bird and Chemist' claimed roles can both exist for town

Question for you: When you target a player do you create a PT that is for that player only or does it bring in other players into that same PT?

[farside22]

Everyone is in the same pt

The first post of my pt is a list of all players in the pt, and it gets updated when people are added, so there's no "hiding" in the pt either

So you did Penguin, then bird and tried to do chemist correct?


I confirmed did not target chemist with my ability so I see no reason why your ability didn't work.

[farside22]

So where is your vote at Dunn?

[farside22]

I have a hard time understanding why bird would think chemist role is possible with his own role out there.

[farside22]

We've literally thought Chemist was scum the entire day. And you can't exactly push the cop under the guise of also being a cop without drawing some major question marks.
I have a hard time understanding why your thinking about our play is so shallow, Farside.

So why are you pushing for ML to be lynched over Chemist then?

[farside22]

This really isn't rocket science. You got a lot of interactions of roles and yet I haven't seen anyone explain to me why Dunn's actions failed when he targeted Chemist and I haven't seen one player explain if they are making thoughts about scum between players why they are non-nonsensical
I have a few more concerns but I'm not going to lead charges for this game day. I'm giving the reigns to someone else like Dunn or April.
Hell I would even love to see more input from Holden at this point.

[farside22]

We've literally thought Chemist was scum the entire day. And you can't exactly push the cop under the guise of also being a cop without drawing some major question marks.
I have a hard time understanding why your thinking about our play is so shallow, Farside.

So why are you pushing for ML to be lynched over Chemist then?

That original post should say game, not day.

Have you read Conspire/ML's iso? It does not look like there is any scumhunting in there. We don't really know if our role is that powerful with all of the millers running around plus it is gated by needing to do 2 night actions. Furthermore, if ML isn't going to do anything might as well get rid of that slot rather than potentially useful power roles like Chemist or Mastina.

Dunnstral to answer your question, basically yes. Oka has read some stuff recently but not much. I have been mostly keeping the hydra buddies apprised of what's going on without them really reading.

So you think there are 2 cop roles in the game?
Are you saying you see town play from Chemist because your day 3 vote didn't say that? Like this is why I find a lot of what you say very contradictory.

I doubt that Birds and Chemist are both scum.

I sort of think they both are scum together. But again if true then bird put himself into a bad corner so I go back and forth with this a lot. I struggle with bird's line of thoughts in this game to see anything that says hey that is fishy and sticking with what he finds fishy.

[farside22]

We are literally the reason Chemist claimed. What are you even talking about, Farside.

Again you are not pushing for his lynch and pushing for ML instead.
And with the claim from Chemist you still decided not to push? Like I can't see that from a player like you.

[farside22]

PP's Unofficial Votecount 1.1

votato(6)

~ mastina(37), farside22(86), Dunnstral(42), Calvin and Hobbes(103), PenguinPower(220), Birds and the Boys(141)

Dunnstral(3)

~ Bingle(82), votato(104), April Ludgate(192)

farside22(2)

~ Creature(142), jjh927(115)

Birds and the Boys(2)

~ Conspire(80), Blatant Scum(142)

Dr Easy Bake(1)

~ Clover Ebi(32)

Blatant Scum(1)

~ Dr Easy Bake(33)


Not Voting (2): chemist1422(27), HoldenGolden(169)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:46:42)

I'm here to vote too btw

[farside22]

My post!!!!!
I lost my longer post.
Just going to TLDR my original post. Saw this post which made me think votato was buddying April.
And I was going to say chemist came in at the end of the day but didn't vote votato.
That's where I'm at reading the scum spot and end of day 1 over.

[farside22]

Didn't bird clear miss lynch with his check?
I would say my POE for scum after chemist is either holden or clover.
Leaning more on clover.

[farside22]

Oh no farside not me! How could you think I was scum after yesterday! I thought that would basically clear me.

Dunn was pushed by votato day 1 as a counter wagon.
April claimed to track votato and pushed for mastina lynch day 3 and i cant see scum bussing that hard.
So either you or holden are possibility of being scum.

[farside22]

Mislynch is confirmed town
I feel strongly about [Apirl] being town given their interaction with the Mastina.

Leaves [Farside, Clover, Dunn] since chem is confirm scum which invalides the cop check.

Considering one scum was hard bussing Votato day 1, I'm not sure how much stock to put into the point i was going to raise about Farside switching to a townlean on votato due to meta back down to a scum lean.

I was scum reading him because of meta. I thought his claim and a few post he made read town, but at the end of day 1 I wanted him dead.

Is there a way we can use the bus driver role to our advantage in that case as well?

If there is a RB that is a bad idea.
@Miss Lynch: We would very much like to know what your role is please.

Hmm, clover didn't really have a reason to announce their Ninja or Strongman roles though, and that could have caused a lot of confusion

I do admit this gives me a lot of pause but I think he is lying about the Oracle, something dawned on me this morning.
Chemist claimed he was RB on day 4 (obviously a lie). I was targeted N2 according to April by an RB. .......what if the RB was just 1 shot?
I mean I have not heard anyone else make a claim of being role blocked today or any other day.
@April: Where you role blocked last night?

To be fair, your oracle information was pretty worthless

Agreed. This is what wiki says Oracle does So I'm curious why the info Clover got was just about Holden's claim or why he asked about holden.

[farside22]

Somethong to keep an eye on is what chemist role actually says. He said he sent a message to conspire about dunn being town. Conspire confirmed getting a message.

[farside22]

@Farside

My oracle information was the the msg you got night 2 about the janitor being one shot. It is impossible for me to be the roleblocker.

hmmm I forgot about that.
Do you have any other abilities? You don't have to say what they are, just curious if you have anything left.

Also why did you ask about Holden's ability or confirm the ability?

[farside22]

Votato and April, remember to target Mastina. You both agreed to this earlier in the game. I do not want to hear anything that you both didn't target the same person.

Assuming that they did indeed to that.

We should have a confirmation on votato/April's roles. Moreover, unless there is another janitor/vig combo that shot Bingle, I'm going to assume that is the mafia NK which means mafia has ways of using janitor powers.

I'm basing this off the drowned flavor text most likely being too focused to be something like a mafia night kill. Makes more sense for an aquatic animal actions.

Also, if anybody can confirmed PPs role, that would be nice.

Pedit: yeah I highly doubt vig targeted bingle

“Flips:

Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill,

some killing roles

may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

Also, this is in the Krazy ruleset, so anyone hanging onto that as a reasoning is scum or surface level.

Votato's role is a killing role that does not have this power, though

Why does he have to be the one to have changed it?

I saw what I saw. And there’s fucking proof with the Bingle shot.

Mafia has ONE fucking shot based on that message, right? 1 janitor shot?

Bingle was janitored.

If nobody claims to have janitored Bingle, then it is confirmed Votato did so to him.

That was ALSO not his fucking kill flavor. This proves something is happening with it

Ah fuck it, ill just state it since my baiting to draw anybody out to claim the missing KP didn't work (not that I thought it would)


I am the missing KP on the Bingle Kill Train. My Flavor for my KP is "Shot". That's why I knew day 2 that Bingle had to be targeted by a janitor/KP combo since like I stated it wouldn't make sense for a random Janitor to come along and just so happen to select the same person I targeted.

Okay so I checked Holden's Iso and not once do I see that he thought Bingle was scummy but claims to have shot at him.

I'm going to go with Holden/Chemist as my final answer to scum

VOTE: Chemist

Again just in case, keep an eye on what Chemist role does flip. I half wonder if ML is scum (godfather possiblity). If there is nothing about Chemist able to send a message to a player, lynch ML.

[farside22]

@Farside

My oracle information was the the msg you got night 2 about the janitor being one shot. It is impossible for me to be the roleblocker.

hmmm I forgot about that.
Do you have any other abilities? You don't have to say what they are, just curious if you have anything left.

Also why did you ask about Holden's ability or confirm the ability?

Can you quote what you're referring to? I don't remember where I asked holden about his ability. I'm also out of powers

Sorry I forgot exactly what the oracle did until I just checked my PM I got from that night. I thought you cleared Holden but I was incorrect.

[farside22]

*clap, clap, clap*
At least I don't have a reason to rant at April

[farside22]

No you won. Well played Faking that invest on birds wasn't something I expected.

I roleblocked him, but it got moved to Dunnstral.

I switched bird with dunn which caused that issue.

I can't believe people voted dunn. Even without me saying I switched bird/dunn he had the PT. He was talking to people and knew about bird.
ugh

[farside22]

No you won. Well played Faking that invest on birds wasn't something I expected.

I roleblocked him, but it got moved to Dunnstral.

I switched bird with dunn which caused that issue.

I can't believe people voted dunn. Even without me saying I switched bird/dunn he had the PT. He was talking to people and knew about bird.
ugh

I spent the majority of the day phase he was lynched, and even the day phase prior to that setting that up pretty well, I feel. Plus, he did have a direct line to Chemist.

Nah, he was my strongest town read.....well next to you. But I was down to POE and I got paranoid about ML being so quiet.
Clover looked super town with his claims and he had done his ability day 2 when I was supposedly RB'ed.

Anyways, GG everyone. No anger, it wasn't easy.

[farside22]

I can't believe i got RB'ed 2 nights in a row. LOL

[farside22]

I was a little worried that on paper the setup would lean scumsided, but Birds and Boys played really well mechanically speaking I think.

And ultimately I think this was a strong lylo for Boon only because he committed to the early bus so hard and played well throughout, which makes me feel like this setup had decent balance overall. Probably the first time I've worried a setup was going to lean one way and then it didn't actually lean that way as hard as I thought it would. Maybe that was due in part to scum roleblocking the bus driver nights 1 and 2 though?

To be fair it didn't mess with anything I would have done N1.