Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Noraa]

VOTE: Pooky
for lying about being a peace maker tsk tsk

[Noraa]

Hello everyone, glad to be playing with all of you.
I will withhold my vote for now.

why?

[Noraa]

I should've read the edits

[Noraa]

*pedits

[Noraa]

I got first page top. Ok I'm satisfied

[Noraa]

rvs sure ended fast. I'll catch up later

[Noraa]

Ok ik this game only has 8 pages but I just reread one of my other games and I'm not feeling like reading all 8 pages bc I notice there's a ton of walls. Someone give me a quick summary and a few important posts to look at please. Literally please. I'll keep up from there myself but I'm really just having a lazy potato day today so someone help.

[Noraa]

Zero mercy lmao. T^T I mean if no one gives me a summary, I'll prolly end up doing that but I don't wannaaaaaaaaaa ;(

[Noraa]

It will not take me 10-15 minutes I guarantee. The walls'll take me much longer. But it prolly won't be over an hour so ig its not too bad. Alright I'll catch up sometime today.

Pooky ..... I didnt fall for it the first time. Second's not gonna work better

[Noraa]

I meant for the claim thing. Didnt even read the whole sentence rip.
All I saw was "Pooky is ascetic peacemaker Noraa so role fishing is allowed now"

[Noraa]

I am not scum this round pooky.
made the mistake of claiming 3p in my marathon as town. Sure won't make that mistake again

[Noraa]

u deserve it for getting the nicest townie killed >:(

[Noraa]

Ok catch up time.
no time to chit chat U-U
imma busy potato

[Noraa]

Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.

Murder sheeps Shea's(may I call u that?) opinions a shit ton. Zero evidence to back up reads ... in general. Also buddies shea a bit too. I'm not liking the look of it rn so I SR Murder.

Post 64 - I really like the way OutWorldER thinks. Very logic based and overall beneficial to town if town but very scary if scum. He can go into early town book for now tho. I don't agree completely with his views bc I think we don't have enough to be saying Blitzo is hard to read but the way of thinking is towny imo.

Pooky is hard to read. idk. null here as well as I understand this is their normal play style.
I still dk what BoP is soooo can I get some SE help around here in unfamiliar territory?

Gamma got into a bit of hot water but meh seems like typical gamma play here. I don't see anything funky so gammas a null for now.

Bulge putting pressure on Murder I approve of. Also Bulge gets +Noraa biased points bc they modded the first game that I won on site. Into my town book u go.

Post 121 - no pooky I won't be claiming 3p this game lmao.

Kazu's entrance are +++townpoints. reads very town imo.

Not mafia and Pooky are in the same "Noraa isn't capable of reading" category

Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.

Guesser's entrance could be townie in pointing out the absence of spam from me or scum setting me up to be limbait. Imma go with the first option for now.

Shea is .... meh null.

[Noraa]

I didn't proofread so hopefully it all makes sense

[Noraa]

And now for a summary:

TR:
Kazu
OutWorldER
Bulge
Guesser

Null:
Blitzo
Pooky
Gamma
Not mafia
Shea

SR:
Murder
Duppin

[Noraa]

I think I didnt miss anyone?

[Noraa]

Now for my vote

VOTE: Murder

[Noraa]

There are several questions I have for 205.

Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.

You see Blitzo as overly defensive (which I agree with) but then go on to null them. Can you elaborate?

Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.

What on earth is this logic? "They seem towny, so I'm going to scumlean them"????????

Shea is .... meh null.

Can you go further into detail on your thoughts on TSQ?

I may end up switching votes here.

Overly defensive can be a scum or town tell depending on the person or it could be absolutely nothing. I don't have a strong read on Blitz so they are going in null for now until I see something that changes that.

The logic is that duppin normally doesn't strike me as that towny but here he's seeming so towny I'm worried he's faking it.

I can't read Shea aorn. His play style is one of those that I generally struggle to read just like Pooky and Not mafia. These take me a lot of time to get opinions on but I guarantee I'll probably be having at least leans before day 1 ends unless we end up with a flash wagon which I don't recommend.

[Noraa]

Dayum 5 town games in a row?

[Noraa]

I wish I had that luck lel.
I rolled two scum games and after that, being town is hard bc the pr hunting mindset is kinda what my brain considers the normal mode

[Noraa]

The logic is that duppin normally doesn't strike me as that towny but here he's seeming so towny I'm worried he's faking it.

What I am more interested in is what you thought were so townie about my posts?

The tone struck me as very very towny. Idk its just the moment I saw that, my gut just screamed TOWNNNNNNNNNNN but that's never happened with ur posts before so I'm kinda weirded out about it as well.

[Noraa]

Blitzo the walls scared me off but in the end, I just read it all anyways lmao

[Noraa]

This seems like a bit of a stretch - what makes you think I don't enjoy the game and what bearing does that have on my alignment?

for example I really don't like the tone here - it feels like he knows he's bad but he's caught for a stupid reason so he's going to fight the reason rather than the outcome which is just a weird reaction to have as a townie.

I, personally don't see anything wrong with the tone here but idk

[Noraa]

The logic is that duppin normally doesn't strike me as that towny but here he's seeming so towny I'm worried he's faking it.

What I am more interested in is what you thought were so townie about my posts?

The tone struck me as very very towny. Idk its just the moment I saw that, my gut just screamed TOWNNNNNNNNNNN but that's never happened with ur posts before so I'm kinda weirded out about it as well.

i see, thats a really weird read not entirely sure what to make of that

no one knows what goes on in the brain of scumhunter Noraa lel

[Noraa]

im a hot mess as town so bear with me.
check out newbie game Ancient Arthropods
I was the JKer there and my scum team guess was two vanillas. Both the people I jailed were vanilla as well. Only scum I found was one that claimed my role. The other was found by crappy Poe that wasn't even accurate cuz I was roleblocked one night.

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraa

I actually dislike that entrance enough to do this considering there is no one else on Blitzo atm anyway and there is at least some content there.

Sorry for immediately invalidating the VC

oooo interesting. expand

[Noraa]

I, personally don't see anything wrong with the tone here but idk

I don't understand why he's taking Kasu seriously in 32

My catch up post also highlighted this. Kazu's post was pretty obviously a jokey one so I agree he was overly defensive there.

VOTE: noraa

I actually dislike that entrance enough to do this considering there is no one else on Blitzo atm anyway and there is at least some content there.

Sorry for immediately invalidating the VC

oooo interesting. expand

Did you miss my last post?

no. it had basically nothing tho sooooo.....

if she had voted on me i would definitely townlean on her, but she didnt though so could be a fake read

I have multiple SRs. Am I supposed to vote them all?

[Noraa]

@Murder
in other words, ur vote felt like OMGUS

[Noraa]

@Murder
in other words, ur vote felt like OMGUS

Your reads have no substance, so add some

your reads don't have more substance than mine and I haven't really been present in this thread until today

[Noraa]

When pushed on my reads I've given straight answers, why isn't Noraa?

You can't SR me for something you do more. It's not reasonable.

[Noraa]

I "got defensive" after ur vote lel. u got the order wrong. U did some OMGUS and after that I got a wee bit "defensive" as you say so ur now using that to justify ur original OMGUSy vote

[Noraa]

I "got defensive" after ur vote lel. u got the order wrong. U did some OMGUS and after that I got a wee bit "defensive" as you say so ur now using that to justify ur original OMGUSy vote

My vote was to pressure you and it's working

lel if u say so

[Noraa]

Gamma solve me

[Noraa]

Gamma got into a bit of hot water but meh seems like typical gamma play here. I don't see anything funky so gammas a null for now.

I’m intrigued by this. What is “typical Gamma” for you?

slight LHF vibes

[Noraa]

You attract attention and SRs like a magnet
I say this not to be offensive but ur play style certainly does it

[Noraa]

Murder means to say "her reads don't match up with mine therefore they are scummy"

[Noraa]

Dw murder I'm frustrated with ur terribly backed up read on me as well

[Noraa]

I don't have a confident read on gamma still. Since if I wanted to, I could see this as pocketing. Gamma is still null.

OutWorld's posts are striking me as less and less town. But before I say why I want that slot to solve me. I have a slight SR on u rn btw.

[Noraa]

This last page and a half of gamma reads really earnest to me.

You don't think that gamma vote is opportunistic?

no not really and technically almost every single vote can be considered opportunistic if u think about it hard enough.

[Noraa]

If u think of any person from a scum!them perspective, every vote is opportunistic

[Noraa]

Eh how's my vote opportunistic?
It came with my catch up

[Noraa]

Oh rip I misunderstood

[Noraa]

Moving my vote from someone with no votes to someone else to no votes is opportunistic?

I mean that's not exactly what's happening here.

[Noraa]

Its opportunistic cuz the old wagon u were on died a long time ago. So it just looks like scum!murder looking for a new mislim target

[Noraa]

Sure both wagons have zero people. that's not the important part

[Noraa]

Its opportunistic cuz the old wagon u were on died a long time ago. So it just looks like scum!murder looking for a new mislim target

I think other targets would make more sense especially if I'm legitimately worried about be elimed as scum but ok sure

we are nowhere near limming anyone yet. why would the scums be worried? day 1 wagons literally go ~poof~ so fast you never even remember they existed most the time.

[Noraa]

@Guesser

So far I have zero town games where I was SRed right off the bat.

[Noraa]

Tbh I don't think I'm that defensive but I can be pretty OMGUSy as town sometimes.

[Noraa]

No one should be SRing or TRing me off of meta at this point in time bc I've played on ms for only a month and my playstyle is still in a developing stage where it changes a lot from game to game even if my alignment is the same.

For example my first game I was a mafia goon in column b setup. Everyone said I was an amazing liar and really towny.
But then my second game I was a mafia goon in column b setup again. Everyone said I was way too scummy to be scum and the most antitown player they ever saw.

[Noraa]

My meta aorn is not reliable and changes around a lot. Not bc I manipulate it but because I'm still adjusting and changing my playstyle around to see what I like best.

[Noraa]

VOTE: OutWorldER along those lines, I just can't get on board with the reasoning there. I mean, he said Blitzo was troublesome to read so that's a wagon and ok, but acknowledging that you believe something is NAI and voting it anyway isn't for me.

I feel like you're contradicting yourself here? Yes, I did say my read on Blitzo was neutral at that time, but that I also felt he was going to troubling to read if we didn't try and figure him out early. So it felt like the most worthy early vote at the point in the game. Could you elaborate what exactly you find troublesome in that logic?

I don't like the idea of voting and wagoning based on an NAI premise. If he was active lurking and posting NAI stuff for a couple of days, then your case for obfuscation in 64 might have had merit instead of being something that you yourself said was minor and a stretch, and I might have been okay with it. If you had some real belief that Blitzo's early posts had a decent chance of actually being AI when forced into an exchange about them then I might have been okay with it. As such, I wasn't a fan of your part on the wagon.

That said, I'm far more comfortable with what I've seen from you since that wagon dissipated, and I'm getting a "I believe you believe it" vibe, so this might just be playstyle issues I'm having that are separate from actual reads.

UNVOTE:

This isn't reading like Noraa's town game thus far (I was in her completed town game that she referenced), but then, she was pretty strongly TRed from the jump by mostly everyone there. I know she gets mega defensive when challenged as scum though, based on reading her scum games from the outside. I have no idea if that's a scum-Noraa trait or always-Noraa trait to get into it like this when called out. (The wall stuff is an "always" trait, she was getting salty at me for posts, and I think I only wrote one the entire game that required scrolling.)

Murder still feels consistent here, he's attacking his reads and working his game from my perspective, still not buying the votes on him. If I were having to pick between the two for a vote Noraa would probably be the pick.

VOTE: Kasu instead though, I hate his defensiveness more than Noraa's.

Bulge is my play here different than Arthropods? I always seem to assume all my town games give off the same vibe but then based on others reactions, it seems they never do...

I meant for the claim thing. Didnt even read the whole sentence rip.
All I saw was "Pooky is ascetic peacemaker Noraa so role fishing is allowed now"

i know noraa gets paranoid but hmmmm

I can't read Shea aorn. His play style is one of those that I generally struggle to read just like Pooky and Not mafia. These take me a lot of time to get opinions on but I guarantee I'll probably be having at least leans before day 1 ends unless we end up with a flash wagon which I don't recommend.

shea's posting style isn't even a little bit like pooky or n_m, and I get you're saying he's null and hard to read, but you have other null reads that I feel would be a much better comparison here. so your comparison to two players who have a fairly established deliberately cloudy playstyle is reading to me like an excuse to not have to try and get a read on him. thoughts?

uk it lel I get really paranoid about everything and everyone as town. Hm ok so Im not saying his play style is like Pooky and Notmafia's. I'm saying it's just as hard to read. The "Noraa can't read this playstyle" category is a bunch of different playstyles that are all really difficult for me to read. This can range anywhere from complete jester like playstyles to very towny playstyles and any other weird stuff. You can think of it as an excuse to not read shea if u want but that's definitely not it.

slight LHF vibes

What does this mean?

Gamma, what's your read on me and why?

Why is this the only post that you've posted that has the slightest bit to do with me? I feel like Kazu is just tunneling and skimming rn. If ur town, a word of advice from someone that fell bc of it, I advise u to stop. Ignore the tunneling and let ur towniness shine thru. If ur a scum, congrats I'll likely be defending you quite a bit as your lil ~situation~ reminds me lots of one of my own experiences. You should prolly start setting me up as limbait if ur scum cuz then when you die, you can drag me along

[Noraa]

Btw @Pooky I just remembered that you had a post that said u were sad I didn't ask you to solve me. I kinda forgot about it lmao
anyways Pooky solve me.

[Noraa]

Its opportunistic cuz the old wagon u were on died a long time ago. So it just looks like scum!murder looking for a new mislim target

This is just bonkers.

I kinda misunderstood what they were talking about so what I said might not make too much sense in the context

[Noraa]

Its opportunistic cuz the old wagon u were on died a long time ago. So it just looks like scum!murder looking for a new mislim target

This is just bonkers.

I kinda misunderstood what they were talking about so what I said might not make too much sense in the context

How is what they were talking about relevant to this opinion?

This is an opinion about moving from one wagon to the other and specifically what you were intuiting their reasons to be. I don't see how it hinges on you interpreting something MC said.

mm so I thought Gamma was saying that Murder's vote on me was opportunistic. I define opportunistic as just any vote/read/opinion/whatever that seems like scum trying to set up a mislim. I thought Murder was saying that their vote wasn't opportunistic bc the two wagons(Blitz and me) were both at zero votes. Idk if that makes sense but anyways that's 100% what I thought at the time lel.

To be most clear; I think 2 of murder/outworld/duppin are scum and 1 of nora/chicken katsu/blitzo are scum

.......how in the world is this read helpful to anyone?

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

Noraa vote is obviously going nowhere, going to reread the game and post thoughts tomorrow morning

What's up with this backtrack here?

[Noraa]

.......how in the world is this read helpful to anyone?

It'd probably be better if you thought more about it instead of asking me to explain it to you, but I def already explained why it's helpful.

I agree with Noraa that its actively unhelpful. And "X is scum look in your heart" is a common scum tactic.

This is the "these are clearly the scums but you'll have to go figure out why"

I already claimed scum bro..

Also it isn't actively unhelpful. 3 scum in those 6. Probably could narrow it down more, but that'd require effort.

u took 3 people out of the limpool for ??? reason. First off, taking out three people isn't helpful to begin with cuz the scums will just nk those three if they are the most town and we'll still have the 6 people to choose from. Second off, you dont even have any evidence as for why we should be taking three people out.

I'm poor at explaining. But I'm right so like...do whatever I guess.

I'm sorry but what? Your start date is in 2007. You literally cannot use the newb card under any given circumstance.

[Noraa]

Panzer is honestly being so scummy I can't imagine them as scum. Scum would have to be really daring to play like this. I could see a scum!panzer but I think a town!panzer is more likely as it seems panzer has a jestery playstyle that just likes to deal in fluff. I might meta dive them a lil if I feel like it but we'll see

[Noraa]

Blitz has avoided solving me even tho my presence here has gotten bigger as I start actually keeping up with the thread. Blitz no avoiding. Solve me. A vague read is better than no read

[Noraa]

Im gonna have to ask you to not just say lol and be done with everything. Please reply to accusations against u.

[Noraa]

Im gonna have to ask you to not just say lol and be done with everything. Please reply to accusations against u.

Nooooraa is too cute, do you actually expect to get anywhere talking to PJ like this?

Im always cute :3
but the downside is that I get killed day 1/2 in all my marathons >:(
tsk tsk no one appreciates my cuteness

[Noraa]

aw nu guesser. *sending virtual get well cards to ur cat*

[Noraa]

Panzer is honestly being so scummy I can't imagine them as scum. Scum would have to be really daring to play like this. I could see a scum!panzer but I think a town!panzer is more likely as it seems panzer has a jestery playstyle that just likes to deal in fluff. I might meta dive them a lil if I feel like it but we'll see

I feel like this logic doesn't really hold much water but I can see where it's coming from.

Blitz has avoided solving me even tho my presence here has gotten bigger as I start actually keeping up with the thread. Blitz no avoiding. Solve me. A vague read is better than no read

I don't think avoided is the term but I can ISO dive you now if you want.

It's not bad logic considering its day 1 rn. We dont exactly need a god tier scumhunter d1. Avoided is the term lel. I would like the ISO dive please

[Noraa]

Ok but why did you yell at me to stop dodging a question when I have dodged zero questions and then seeing I had answered the question you were in the middle of yelling at me for dodging, leave the part in about dodging the question?

Because it always seems like you get fixated on things that don't matter and I was getting annoyed.
Kind of like you're doing right now.

Back to things that actually matter - talk to me about kasu, please.

this feels like ... very obvious shifting of attention. I'm sorry but like when ur the one being sussed, u can't exactly be like nothing to see here, nothing to see here go away. You can do that to someone else and be like ey theres nothing to see there bc of blah blah and blah but not when its u....

[Noraa]

Well I understand that you think its nothing(unless ur scum in which case ur just lying) but ig I just dont agree with the way you are approaching this. I dont know if you are scum but if you aren't, I recommend just ignoring them for the most part and just do some scumhunting while pretending they are silent walls or something.

[Noraa]

Recently I came across something similar to this where I got extremely frustrated as town and I think the only way out of that anger and frustration is to ignore and let ur pure towny energy shine thru. Unless ur scum ofc. Then I'd prefer u just stay scummy lmao since that makes everyone's lives easier

[Noraa]

Why is this the only post that you've posted that has the slightest bit to do with me? I feel like Kazu is just tunneling and skimming rn. If ur town, a word of advice from someone that fell bc of it, I advise u to stop. Ignore the tunneling and let ur towniness shine thru. If ur a scum, congrats I'll likely be defending you quite a bit as your lil ~situation~ reminds me lots of one of my own experiences. You should prolly start setting me up as limbait if ur scum cuz then when you die, you can drag me along

idk why but this rubs me the wrong way a bit, it's kinda showy imo

fair point. I could see why.

[Noraa]

Trying to place Noraa's slot is a bitch considering all the fluff going on in this ISO. 242 gives me really bad scum pings I didn't pick up before and it reads as very deflective. I have no idea what to make of that conversation about opportunism considering I don't even really understand what people are saying there. 465 rings to me as a good post with a genuinely good point.

IDK, I'd go slight scumlean with a trend towards null on that slot right now.

I kinda love how the two posts u point out are both literally such random posts that aren't even any of the ones I considered scummy or townie. Like I had some posts that I, myself knew where sorta townie or sorta scummy. But u literally point out two of the most useless and random posts. Idk I just dont get why you cherry picked those two that mean absolutely nothing imo.

[Noraa]

I feel like chicken katsu and bitzio have been discussed ad nauseum at this point and i agree with most of what was said.

Idk know if noraa is scum or if this masatina-style "I AM THE PROTAGONIST OF THIS ANIME" playstyle is just pinging me because i hate it.

I just think it's unlikely that all 3 of these people are scum. I think katsu has the highest likelihood of being town of the 3 mostly because sometimes you're just dumb and loud and can't help it.

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A lot of there was a solid set of post somewhere in the single digits where Outworld/Duppin/ murdercat were being very weird with each other and like doing this weird buddying dance. It also doesn;t help that i find outworld and murdercat independently scummy. I think this is a case of like..2 scum trying to get someone to play 3rd imposter.

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everyone else is probably town.

My play style's annoying regardless of alignment if that's what ur wondering. Besides that, I basically agree with the content of this post. I've had a TR on kazu for a while now and a SR on Murder and maybe a slight SR on outworld lately.

which two posts do you feel are the most AI for you?

not sure but definitely not two random ones that ping me as nothing.

Trying to place Noraa's slot is a bitch considering all the fluff going on in this ISO. 242 gives me really bad scum pings I didn't pick up before and it reads as very deflective. I have no idea what to make of that conversation about opportunism considering I don't even really understand what people are saying there. 465 rings to me as a good post with a genuinely good point.

IDK, I'd go slight scumlean with a trend towards null on that slot right now.

I kinda love how the two posts u point out are both literally such random posts that aren't even any of the ones I considered scummy or townie. Like I had some posts that I, myself knew where sorta townie or sorta scummy. But u literally point out two of the most useless and random posts. Idk I just dont get why you cherry picked those two that mean absolutely nothing imo.

this post annoys me severely

242: You point out that Murdercat also didn't have much substance to his reads, which is fair tbh, but also means you are completely deflecting what is a very fair point. Pot calling the kettle black, essentially, and deflection is a very scummy tactic.

465: you did actually have a good point about Blitzo deflecting attention to kasu in his post and dismissing any pressure against him once again, which was kinda yikes and I'm surprised nobody pressed on that harder.

I pointed out these two posts because they were the ones I was able to read into at the time. I didn't really get pinged by any of other posts, so I either missed something or just didn't fine anything noteworthy about them that I hadn't already said.

I dont think scums need to "read into" anything so I could definitely see you just pointing out some random posts on me. And its stupid that ur being so fence sitty with one post of mine that "so so scummy" and another that's "so so town" and then the result is a SR? lel okay then. Im sorry but I just dont vibe with your reads and stuff. I feel like u put close to zero effort in and cling to people and tunnel. You haven't full on tunneled, no. But I think ur attention is not evenly distributed among all the players.

Ugh my power just cut out so I'm phone posting for the time being. I like noraa. I agree with most of her reads and her tone is whimsical and steam of consciousnessy. It's fakeable but strikes me as legit, especially if she's new. She's actually engaging with Mc and even if I'm starting to disagree with her on the sr there it seems like she's actually trying to solve.

Noraa, what do you think of gamma right now?

If you think you can convince me gamma is scum, then do it. Otherwise I will not be SRing there bc all I see is normal gamma play.

[Noraa]

My play style's annoying regardless of alignment if that's what ur wondering.

Didn't have to wonder, it was abundantly clear that you are annoying.

And also, probably scum.

If you truly believe in that, you are way overly confident. We are day 1 and you claim you've found scum, one of which is me. If you believe in that, I'll be very surprised.

[Noraa]

Why was I your vote and then dropped entirely from your following reads?

[Noraa]

.........not literally

[Noraa]

yes pooooooooky? O_o

[Noraa]

yes pooooooooky? O_o

If you're scum can you tell me who your scum partners are so I can use my Ascetic Peacemaker role to win the game ?

Thanks ^_^

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VOTE: Gamma

also I made an analysis after two games with Pooky (dumb yes but w/e) that he tends to be more serious as scum than as town, and he's never attempted to contradict me on that. I will however say maybe I oversimplified it when first forming that impression. He's silly as both alignments, but when he's town it seems like it's downright inscrutable and rather distracting, but as scum he does it in a way that feels less invasive. So if you struggle with reading Pooky, there's a bit of a road map on him.

This post is a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. This doesn't really help solve Pooky at all, nor does he even express an opinion on what this makes Pooky. There has been a passivity to his play this game which is just so totally unlike the last time I played with Gamma where we ended up in a big town v town clownfiesta. And no I'm not just talking about the lack of content (meaning not posting a lot) I was mentioning earlier, but rather there isn't any real digging, it's almost all just distanced observations.

I love how you cherry pick out one singular post from gamma and the reason for an SR is .... unhelpfulness of the post? Yeah that's just stupid. Have you seen basically any of the playerlist actually post something useful? cuz I sure haven't seen much. Gamma was just telling us how to read Pooky who is generally hard to read due to play style. dont attack that. its not a valid argument and there's plenty of other posts to pick on if that's all u got. Kazu if ur town, untunnel asap.

aren't you part of the town?

Hah, can't slip anything past you!

I hate this whole jokey "haha I'm scum" stuff. It's terrible. I despise it. I hate it. nonononononononono >.<

@Pooky This actually does ping me a bit, it was an obvious joke. Unless you saying you wanted to scum hunt with him wasn't actually because of a town read. The first Kasu game I clicked on had kasu self vote in rvs so I don't think that series of posts was that out of the norm

self vote and jokes about being scum aren't the same bud.

[Noraa]

I hate wallssssssssss :<

[Noraa]

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I can't believe noora-scum will not give up her scum-mates so we can all live happily ever after

what has this world come to

I want to make a joke and say my scum buddy is u rn. dont tempt me.

[Noraa]

replied as per request by pooky^^

[Noraa]

Noraa how about you attempt to contribute to the game by explaining your scum read on me?

how about your dropped SR on me and choice to ignore my posts directed at u that were trying to solve? you best reply to everything I asked if u want a reply to this.

[Noraa]

I mean ur SR on me was "annoying" too. Im sorry if u were seriously annoyed but that's not a valid excuse. I might go fetch those quote for u but u get +townpoints if u do it urself. aint that hard. ISO and then ctrl f Murder

[Noraa]

U see I want to just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum

but I also have a habit of tunneling vanilla townies as town so I'm a bit worried that ur just a random townie that my scum radar picked up on

[Noraa]

Others have been scummier as of late so for now
UNVOTE: Murder

[Noraa]

Im hating Outworlds play aorn

[Noraa]

No not really. Jester play styles are hard to read. Im still struggling over there

[Noraa]

O.O is that an invitation to vote him?

[Noraa]

Im not decided on who I want to vote.
the last few pages have been a train wreck and murder's been pretty quiet. I want to dig more there but he's slightly absent from the thread

[Noraa]

ur 100% overthinking but I dont blame ya

[Noraa]

I said there were people that were more scummy. the deadline isnt really soon and I want to wait to vote. is that a problem?

[Noraa]

Why didn't you answer my other questions?

didn't feel like it. my scum radars gone off too many times for each time to be a scum so its not determined who my SRs are rn so I didn't elaborate

I want to dig more there but he's slightly absent from the thread

Is this in reference to me or Outworld?

u

[Noraa]

No we shouldn't policy lim semi lurkers. They'll get prodded and replaced if they are too lurky and all will be fine

[Noraa]

And also lets be nice please

[Noraa]

^adding on to what murder said

[Noraa]

no why would u lim a lurker? lurkers normally lurk no matter alignment or role. So what if u limmed a lurker that was secretly a vig? what would u do? lurking is NOT a scum tell so no

[Noraa]

Lurkers almost always lurk regardless of alignment and role is what my experience tells me. Lurking, while it may be very annoying, is not a scum tell so why should we be limming off of it?

[Noraa]

ur telling me that activity determines whether or not they are scum?

[Noraa]

then how come my scum win rate is 0%?
its bc town didn't decide to lim based off of lurkiness

[Noraa]

ok but the problem is that imo there's a lot of lurker/not helpful people here

[Noraa]

Its not a "misrepresentation". It's my own interpretation with emphasis on the parts I dont like.

[Noraa]

I love how you cherry pick out one singular post from gamma and the reason for an SR is .... unhelpfulness of the post? Yeah that's just stupid. Have you seen basically any of the playerlist actually post something useful? cuz I sure haven't seen much. Gamma was just telling us how to read Pooky who is generally hard to read due to play style. dont attack that. its not a valid argument and there's plenty of other posts to pick on if that's all u got. Kazu if ur town, untunnel asap.

I think you’re defense of me is a little off. Saying “don’t attack that” about my Pooky meta summary is a bit of a bridge too far. I didn’t really present a personal opinion on what I actually thought of Pooky there, and if I’d been consistently lacking in opinions then it would have made sense to attack it. I just think you’re expressing an absolute that shouldn’t be adhered to. Could be mistaken though.

No. What Kazu attacked was stupid. There was no point in the attack and it didn't help anyone. Pivoting on me here and trying to use me to seem more towny is a terrible move. Also what's with this fencesitty stuff followed by a vote?
Whoever said Gamma was scum, I'm starting to agree
VOTE: Gamma

Others have been scummier as of late so for now
UNVOTE: Murder

Why didn’t you opt to vote one of the scummier people then?

Why dont you see that two people have already asked this and asking again doesn't help anyone?

Why didn't you answer my other questions?

didn't feel like it. my scum radars gone off too many times for each time to be a scum so its not determined who my SRs are rn so I didn't elaborate

Except you explicitly named Outworld?

I want to dig more there but he's slightly absent from the thread

Is this in reference to me or Outworld?

u

MCat already said this, but MCat hasn’t really been absent in any real sense.

VOTE: Noraa
My town vibes on her dried up very fast.

Way to sheep the attacks on me and start setting up a Noraa lim scum!Gamma. Smart move.

But speaking of Noraa, hey, girl, we sorta had an entire conversation going on between you and me in 570 that you just sort of dropped without recognition? You wanna maybe continue with it?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pooky

I was awaiting some type of response from pooky after my last post.
I now understand that there likely won't be one.

This is a good vote.

I know I am still working on my reread but I'm ok with my vote sitting here for now based on that last post that pinged me

VOTE: Pooky

That was one of Pooky's most substantial posts all game and it was super defensive. It also comes with what seems like somewhat of an assumption that outworld is scum but I haven't seen anything in Pooky's iso that suggests there is a scum read there.

The above two sheep votes are garbage. I hate it. stop. Murders was the better one but I dislike them both either way. Jumping on a likely wagon to go thru on pooky cuz pooky plays weird is not ok.

[Noraa]

@Outworlder
I dont remember where we left of. Remind me pls

[Noraa]

I didn't mean to make that sound offensive. sorry pooky 8(

it was meant to just say that ur play style is unique. yes unique is a better word

[Noraa]

The above two sheep votes are garbage. I hate it. stop. Murders was the better one but I dislike them both either way. Jumping on a likely wagon to go thru on pooky cuz pooky plays weird is not ok.

It's like you only read every third word of each post and then try to piece it together from there. I have a real reason to vote Pooky, it's not because he plays "weird." I don't even see what is that weird about his play.

why would anyone straight up say they are limming off of playstyle?
my point is that is what the scums are thinking when looking for mislims. I didn't even call u scum yet over this.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

@Outworlder
I dont remember where we left of. Remind me pls

570:

Trying to place Noraa's slot is a bitch considering all the fluff going on in this ISO. 242 gives me really bad scum pings I didn't pick up before and it reads as very deflective. I have no idea what to make of that conversation about opportunism considering I don't even really understand what people are saying there. 465 rings to me as a good post with a genuinely good point.

IDK, I'd go slight scumlean with a trend towards null on that slot right now.

I kinda love how the two posts u point out are both literally such random posts that aren't even any of the ones I considered scummy or townie. Like I had some posts that I, myself knew where sorta townie or sorta scummy. But u literally point out two of the most useless and random posts. Idk I just dont get why you cherry picked those two that mean absolutely nothing imo.

this post annoys me severely

242: You point out that Murdercat also didn't have much substance to his reads, which is fair tbh, but also means you are completely deflecting what is a very fair point. Pot calling the kettle black, essentially, and deflection is a very scummy tactic.

465: you did actually have a good point about Blitzo deflecting attention to kasu in his post and dismissing any pressure against him once again, which was kinda yikes and I'm surprised nobody pressed on that harder.

I pointed out these two posts because they were the ones I was able to read into at the time. I didn't really get pinged by any of other posts, so I either missed something or just didn't fine anything noteworthy about them that I hadn't already said.

I dont think scums need to "read into" anything so I could definitely see you just pointing out some random posts on me. And its stupid that ur being so fence sitty with one post of mine that "so so scummy" and another that's "so so town" and then the result is a SR? lel okay then. Im sorry but I just dont vibe with your reads and stuff. I feel like u put close to zero effort in and cling to people and tunnel. You haven't full on tunneled, no. But I think ur attention is not evenly distributed among all the players.

I legitimately do not know how to explain to you that you are not the decider of who finds what in your ISO towny or scummy. You can attack the reasoning but just saying "wow this is dumb I thought that post that I, myself, made was really random you should've pointed to [X] instead" is incredibly dis-earnest and just...I don't even know if I can describe it as logic.

I gave you my reasoning as to why those posts pinged me the way they did. Attack the reasoning behind it if you think it's bad reasoning/reading.

As for being fence sitty, I do admit that I was unclear in how that resulted in a scumlean. Your deflective tactics in 242 struck gave me a stronger scum ping than the town pings I got elsewhere.

And yes, my attention isn't evenly distributed. That's just sort of the nature of Mafia? I only have so much brain power and certain posts/players simply catch my attention more often. Who would you rather have me focus on? Who do you think I've not focused on enough?

okay and what's there that I need to reply to here? I dont see the point in dragging this convo out. It will get us absolutely nowhere and imo it'll just be a huge waste of time.

[Noraa]

I didn't mean to make that sound offensive. sorry pooky 8(

it was meant to just say that ur play style is unique. yes unique is a better word

I don't think it's that unique, I've played with a lot of people who have played this way and they make it look much more beautiful than I can. That's why I am trying it out to learn and improve. :3

Maybe it just looks unique because I am fairly bad at it :>

everyones playstyle is unique^^
ur is bootifuller. always gotta stay confident pooky <3

[Noraa]

responding to post 759:
well that townread on me was paper-thin. Here is what is probably a good example of scum formulating a plan of attack based on thread contents. I never fully pressed the attack until 718, though I started building to it in 716. I was not, however, trying to actually push Noraa in 715, I was merely correcting what I felt was an erroneous comment. Look at what I said and how I said it. I was being very diplomatic and courteous towards Noraa. Despite that, Noraa thinks I am attacking her there. That doesn't really confirm she did what I'm accusing her of, but it points to it, and even if that isn't the case she's still responding to a very unantagonistic post with a significant amount of defensiveness.
Outworld, since you called me out for seeming to do what Noraa actually likely did here, I expect some level of agreement here.

yeah I definitely didn't like the reasoning so I got some scummy pings

[Noraa]

didn't mean to quote that whoops

but also I think I've told u why my SR was there

[Noraa]

super don't like the pooky votes

glad im not the only one

[Noraa]

Okay so here's my rather overdue read list. I tried to make sure everything was current, the only thing I see having a decent chance of not being properly updated is my Kasumeat read, and he hasn't really changed position at all, just potentially my thoughts on him have changed

Outworld (has been solving a fair amount), Shea (his pushes have consistently made sense), The Bulge (has asked some pretty solid questions iirc)
Blitzo (his recent activities, even if they aren't pushing people I think are scum, are showing a decent amount of trying to push the game forward, still mildly bothered by his early actions, but they're being gradually reduced in how much they affect my read on him), Pooky (I just think he’s town, not much to really substantiate the read beyond my nebulous meta methods for him. I don't like that he's kinda the counterwagon to Noraa but I also don't think it's a scumled counterwagon)
duppin, NM, UG (NULL)
Murdercat (still kinda suspect her but I also don't think she's scum with Noraa, and Noraa is definitely the stronger read), Panzer (don’t like how he’s been handling questioning, but that is up for change. the reverse engineered ro3 is a point against him but nothing worth voting on its own, so if he starts responding better I’ll pull my vote)
Kasumeat (response to pressure has been pretty poor imo. Also seems focused on topics that revolve around him, which I’m not a fan of), Noraa (had already been concerning me at points, but now I feel like her actions are definitely scum motivated. It's like a bunch of bug bites versus an actual stab wound)

~fence sitting~

[Noraa]

Pooky has had no real pressure all game and has not really done a lot of solving. He gets some votes and all of a sudden he is giving a lot more. Why don't you like them then? Will you give us more if we all vote you?

ig the pressures good to get pooky to talk a bit more. Im not fond of flash wagons bc I have bad experience with them but I do understand it in this case.

[Noraa]

you just said you don't respect me or blitz as players

[Noraa]

Ahh flipping the tables lel no worries it was a joke but no I'm not offended in any way

[Noraa]

I think we should be looking closely at that vote ^

its very out of the blue. I expressed concerns with duppins play being not his normal here and this random vote is just ... not rubbing me the right way. I think we might actually have a scum!duppin here.

Also, I know I still need to read up on Noraa (plan on doing that tonight), but based on wagon dynamics alone it feels like Noraa is the town counterwagon to Pooky scum (which is why I was suspicious of Duppin vote)

after the read up, I'm interested in hearing ur updated read. I am not the counterwagon but I can easily become one if people keep sheeping votes on me.

[Noraa]

Also, I know I still need to read up on Noraa (plan on doing that tonight), but based on wagon dynamics alone it feels like Noraa is the town counterwagon to Pooky scum (which is why I was suspicious of Duppin vote)

Except Noraa was first to be voted, and then the Pooky wagon happened. Also didn't you SR Noraa before you started the meta reads? Why are you defending her now?

Lel u had a TR on me that flipped to a SR really fast. I dont think u can attack Murder for the same thing.

[Noraa]

....eh

[Noraa]

@MCat and if you're wrong and I'm right, you're hurting town ability to catch scum. Why does the way duppin voted bother you?

I guess that is always true, I have to trust my reads though or what else do I have?

It just pinged me because I felt like it came out of nowhere with no comments on the last 300 posts and I don't remember duppin saying anything about Noraa before

duppin said he had a hard time reading me

[Noraa]

@MCat and if you're wrong and I'm right, you're hurting town ability to catch scum. Why does the way duppin voted bother you?

I guess that is always true, I have to trust my reads though or what else do I have?

It just pinged me because I felt like it came out of nowhere with no comments on the last 300 posts and I don't remember duppin saying anything about Noraa before

I think I know why duppin only now chose to say something about Noraa. If I'm right that makes him more likely town, but I want him to say why first.
Tbh I'd also be down to compromise on someone else as long as it isn't Pooky. Just know duppin is currently lean town vs. null like he was in the read list.

you want him to say why that way u can sheep it later? cuz that sure seems to be what's happening

[Noraa]

I dont think any of the SRs on me are good atm.

[Noraa]

I dont think any of the SRs on me are good atm.

No one ever thinks that

not true. I do see good SRs on me at times and I will admit them if they are good.

[Noraa]

All I know is that unless pooky is scum, {Noraa, Pooky} is clear

[Noraa]

Personally I think Pooky is town. So if town lims in {Noraa, Pooky} today and tomorrow they will get two mislims. Not confident in pooky but I dont really think pooky is scum aorn

[Noraa]

Like, fypov, either pooky is scum or not, and you're always town, so those are literally the only possibilities as you would see it.

is this a scum slip? idk why anyone would know my alignment besides scum

[Noraa]

that just feels like a lot of post flip analysis which is complete trash day 1

[Noraa]

Im not caught up yet but I have a few things to say.

1) I personally dont see a difference between ancient arthropods and here and I am the same alignment so I'm not quite too sure what to think about guesser pointing out that my play's vastly different

2) if its really true that I'm playing really strange here, then bulge is likely scum.

I personally cannot tell if my play is vastly different but others have told me that my play is very different from a past game and so I should die. This leads me to think that my play is very different each game and the only people that wouldn't point it out are scums who already know that I am town.

Guesser you must stop using the fact that my play's different to defend a SR. Im a noob in the first place. My playstyle is still constantly changing. My first scum game everyone said I was super townie but my second everyone said I was the most antitown and scummy player they ever saw. But I was town in both. How can this be explained going by the logic that if I'm the same alignment, I must behave the same?

[Noraa]

*but I was scum in both

[Noraa]

Well, do some meta on me then.
cuz guessers reasons are meta based and I do not agree with them.

[Noraa]

Idk people tell me my games are very different. I believe it for now.
personally I also dont see the difference from game to game but others seem to see it so idk

[Noraa]

Alright good idea.
I like how you've talked me thru ur thought process. It seems fairly townie and somewhat reasonable. I can vibe with it and understand it so u shall be a town lean instead of a null.

[Noraa]

And after guesser gets more specific, it's prolly a good idea to go investigate a bit

[Noraa]

Hm not sure if that's what I would think in ur place but idk.

[Noraa]

its a vibe thing duppin. ur vibe is off this game. I'm not sure why but I'm getting scum pings from a lot of ur posts. It's rather random but my gut is really convinced ur scum. I can quote a few as examples if u want.

[Noraa]

its a vibe thing duppin. ur vibe is off this game. I'm not sure why but I'm getting scum pings from a lot of ur posts. It's rather random but my gut is really convinced ur scum. I can quote a few as examples if u want.

but that does not explain why you have not tried to solve my slot or why your reads have been a bit inconsistent if i am your scumread.
also earlier you stated you got town pings from my post which was the reason you thought i was scum because you claimed you normally dont think i am town. Now you are claiming you are getting scum pings, but should that not indicate to you if i understand your meta read that i would be town?

nonetheless i am interested in the examples so please do elaborate as much as you can

no no that's not exactly what I said. I said that normally ur play doesn't strike me as extremely townie so this game when u strike me as extremely townie, I feel like somethings off and ur forcing it as scum.

[Noraa]

duppin scum with Noraa confirmed

yeah ... wtf.

its a vibe thing duppin. ur vibe is off this game. I'm not sure why but I'm getting scum pings from a lot of ur posts. It's rather random but my gut is really convinced ur scum. I can quote a few as examples if u want.

why wouldn't you push this and try to make it more concrete how you feel about him?
PEdit: if there wasn't the earlier thing regarding duppin I might agree with that, MCat, but I think duppin moved in on Noraa at a point that it makes him extremely likely to be town, regardless of what Noraa's alignment is.

duppin's not gonna be limmed today most likely. I have lots of time to solve him so there's no rush.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Blitzo stuff is...strange but I'm not sure if it can actually be extrapolated in a way the hints to Alignment. The most it could be is very minor scumlean since you can argue their abstinence from voting is obfuscating information but that's quite a stretch.

Either way, if he's going to be troublesome to read, I'd rather have a wagon on him right now.

VOTE: Blitzo

i actually don't think there is anything suspicious about Blitzo's post at all. sure its a bit odd, but i dont see it as being scummy at all. in fact i kind of feel it is slightly town simply because i think it would be odd for scum to do it but thats a stretch.

like you're trying to pocket shea while I'm trying to pocket shea and it is not cool yo

But I’m fully admitting the weak logic, and I’m willing to admit it was probably like 15% driven by wanting shea to trust me
Doesn’t exactly make me scum, no?

i mean even if i agree with your overall point the last comment is a bit odd. it's not like it makes you town either.
but anyway why do you want shea to trust you?

{Thestatusquo}
{Panzerjager, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge}
{Not_Mafia, Noraa, Kasumeat, duppin, OutWorldER, UneducatedGuesser}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Blitzo}

pedit: Was just about to post this for content but ok

whats your read on Blitzo after your interaction?

I actually think that scum on average put more effort into making their posts logical and consistent than town do because they're actively crafting them to deceive whereas I find town tend to have more inconsistencies on average because they're just saying things they think as they occur to them.

Not to say that scum cant be inconsistent but given that scum have a specific narrative they're trying to create and town don't I tend to think that small little inconsistencies and lapses in logic are slight town tells to me.

But I'm gunna shut up about this because its just OOG theory and not particularly useful.

honestly if you believe this you will probably end up scumreading me this game

I'm actually leaning town on Blitzo. I agree with the sentiment his early play has been a odd but that's probably also why think it is more likely to come from town

These were ur first four posts. They all felt very towny and very not ur vibe. I have in mind a few quotes from other games to reenforce this point but those are from ongoing games so I can't use them. I'll maybe meta dive u a bit to see if I can find something similar in ur other games later.

[Noraa]

*not ur town vibe

[Noraa]

1) I was JKer that round. I dont see why there is any problem with being more confident and out there when you are literally the most powerful pr in game?
2) day 1 I didn't even try to solve that game. idk how ur gonna twist that around to ur advantage but I did not solve at all day 1 in ancient arthropods.
3) I do something as scum DOES NOT equal I cannot do the same thing as town.
I am myself and no matter what role I land, I am me and there will be similarities from game to game. This is not something u can use to argue I'm town or scum.
4) I was flailing in On this day(newbie something) bc I was also dealt a bad hand too, hello? Town was very well connected and pinpointed scum really fast. I was in the shittiest position possible and I was going for a TSTBS look. I dont see how this is the case here honestly. Im being defensive bc the attacks on me are just bad. I can understand the reasoning behind some of them but this whole meta thing is just a fat NO from me.
5) ur telling us that u not paying attention is ok bc its u but me not paying attention and not moving the game forward is not ok? I've been more present in the thread than u. I find it unfair that u use this against me.
6) "misrepping things" Ok this is subjective. I say what I think. When you dont agree, it doesn't mean I'm misrepresenting. It means I understood it a different way. Everyone's thought process is different and this is not a valid reason.
7) I've had plenty of independent thoughts. Just because everyone thinks they are stupid and not well backed up doesn't mean anything. It's still my own opinion.

[Noraa]

Guesser, I dont like ur reasoning for backing up a SR on me. In fact I hate it. SR me for good reasons or dont SR me.

[Noraa]

When I'm JKer vs when I'm Vig vs when I'm vanilla vs when I'm Roleblocker etc etc is all different. Alignment being the same but role changing can change my play drastically as I will be thinking from a completely different perspective.

There is close to zero meta on me right now. You saying "oh u did this as scum and ur doing this now" is not valid.

Everything else you mentioned sounds sheeped. All those points have been mentioned before.

[Noraa]

I dont like this case on me. I hate it. I literally hate it.

Guesser sus me with valid reasons. These are not gonna cut it.

[Noraa]

Noraa. Find another vote. Gamma isn't happening today.

I saw this the first time you posted it. Im defending my self atm and won't be changing my vote until I'm done here.

If you have a lot of extra time you can go ISO everyone and give super detailed reads. Thanks for the reminders but rn I have my hands full so they aren't necessary

[Noraa]

And also if u really wanted my vote to change to help move game state forward, maybe engage me in a different way? Like dont just be like "Noraa change ur damn vote"
instead be like hey so our current limpool outside of u is {blah, blah} and some important parts of the cases against them are posts blah and blah. Unless u got compelling reasoning, these are likely the only possible lims today and yeah

[Noraa]

so the above post was all eh I dont like her as town and I dont like her here so someone should come convince me she's scum so that I can kill off a slot that doesn't agree with me on a lot of game based things.

[Noraa]

Im sorry but what?

[Noraa]

this was all a bunch of fence sitting and then ending with please someone come convince me she's scum that way when she flips green, its their fault. This just feels scummy. I dont like it.

I hear ur frustration and it doesn't feel faked and that's the only thing stopping me from tunneling u rn murder.

[Noraa]

Guesser is not a noob.

[Noraa]

this was all a bunch of fence sitting and then ending with please someone come convince me she's scum that way when she flips green, its their fault. This just feels scummy. I dont like it.

I hear ur frustration and it doesn't feel faked and that's the only thing stopping me from tunneling u rn murder.

I mean the truth is I think this game would be a lot easier if you were scum and I believed it

Isnt every game easier if I'm the scum and town all susses me? My playstyle can be hell to read and I've gathered that from what people have told me about it but when I'm town, town has got to put up with me until day 2/3 where I start producing a shit ton of content. This is how town!Noraa is. Day 1/2 = complete fluff and uselessness
Day 2/3/4 = solid reads and content

[Noraa]

Whens the deadline?

[Noraa]

3 days?
yeah I'm not making up my mind quite yet then
I want to wait and see more before deciding

[Noraa]

Pooky its more likely that one is scum and is sticking close to the other to make sure there's a sacrificial lamb ready in case they die

[Noraa]

im not sure i see whats townie about those posts to be honest

anyway you just stated before you got scum pings from me, where did you get those? or are those scum pings related to you finding my posts to be very town?

also its not like i have not posted anything since those 4 posts, so what do you make of the rest of my posts?

@Noraa please respond to this

Ur posts were unnaturally townie and felt faked. I've explained multiple times and will not be explaining this specifically again this game. The rest of ur posts didn't ping me as anything out of the ordinary but regardless the first few just didn't sit right so you are still a scum lean.

BTW, I fucking hate Noraa's playstyle( and think we should have a jar she has to put a quarter in every time she metas herself or asks someone to read her.

I'm filthy rich so sure

Spoiler:

So the thing I wanted to talk about in response to MCat's Noraa read is this:

Others have been scummier as of late so for now
UNVOTE: Murder

Im hating Outworlds play aorn

No not really. Jester play styles are hard to read. Im still struggling over there

Im not decided on who I want to vote.
the last few pages have been a train wreck and murder's been pretty quiet. I want to dig more there but he's slightly absent from the thread

Why didn't you answer my other questions?

didn't feel like it. my scum radars gone off too many times for each time to be a scum so its not determined who my SRs are rn so I didn't elaborate

I want to dig more there but he's slightly absent from the thread

Is this in reference to me or Outworld?

u

You kinda glossed over this string of posts from Noraa, MCat, so what do you make of it? My takeaway is that Noraa tried to appear as thoughtful and considerate town, but wasn't ready to get grilled on the level she was and thus floundered in response to the pressure.

lmao good job sheeping all of shea's reads on me

[Noraa]

"done actual scummy things"

all everyone here can say about me is that my playstyle sucks ass. I mean how tf is that helpful? My playstyle is gonna be bs no matter what my role pm says.
How have I even done scummy things? Not putting my vote somewhere 24/7 = scum. wtf.
If I die today, I request that everyone take a good look into Shea's crappy case on me. Shea's been jumping around so much. An ISO shows how many wagons he has started and how many people he's sussed for a lot of not good reasons.
He sussed murder, he sussed pooky, he sussed blitz, he sussed kazu, he sussed me all for ???? reasons. Anyone want to convince me that there's 5 scums this round? go ahead. I'm interested in hearing that case.

[Noraa]

No it is not towny to try to start wagons everywhere. Shea's tone sounds so town but he's pushing wagons based off of terrible reasons. I feel like its not towny behavior. It's just his playstyle is towny

[Noraa]

No I'm not interested in voting you bc I'm getting two vibes from u : scummy and overconfident town

im not certain which one so I'm not going there.

[Noraa]

No it is not towny to try to start wagons everywhere. Shea's tone sounds so town but he's pushing wagons based off of terrible reasons. I feel like its not towny behavior. It's just his playstyle is towny

This describes exactly what Murdercat has been doing for the last handful of pages much more than it describes anything that Shea is doing.

I've agreed with the SR on murder for the most part.

[Noraa]

Noraa. You have 5 posts to make a vote and state why, or i'm voting you. the explanation doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 sentences.

Dont threaten me. I will vote when I want to.

It's interesting that you picked something that I found particularly suspicious about noraa. The fact that she unvotes you when nothing really has changed by saying "others have been scummier" and then doesn't vote anyone or explain who those others are and what they've done seems like the exact opposite of a town mindset to me. Especially since she's now still claiming that she agrees with the SR on you without managing to vote it.

Remind me why not voting is suspicious? A persons not allowed to be indecisive in a game of mafia?

Spoiler:

There are several questions I have for 205.

Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.

You see Blitzo as overly defensive (which I agree with) but then go on to null them. Can you elaborate?

Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.

What on earth is this logic? "They seem towny, so I'm going to scumlean them"????????

Shea is .... meh null.

Can you go further into detail on your thoughts on TSQ?

I may end up switching votes here.

Overly defensive can be a scum or town tell depending on the person or it could be absolutely nothing. I don't have a strong read on Blitz so they are going in null for now until I see something that changes that.

The logic is that duppin normally doesn't strike me as that towny but here he's seeming so towny I'm worried he's faking it.

I can't read Shea aorn. His play style is one of those that I generally struggle to read just like Pooky and Not mafia. These take me a lot of time to get opinions on but I guarantee I'll probably be having at least leans before day 1 ends unless we end up with a flash wagon which I don't recommend.

I think we should be looking closely at that vote ^

its very out of the blue. I expressed concerns with duppins play being not his normal here and this random vote is just ... not rubbing me the right way. I think we might actually have a scum!duppin here.

Also, I know I still need to read up on Noraa (plan on doing that tonight), but based on wagon dynamics alone it feels like Noraa is the town counterwagon to Pooky scum (which is why I was suspicious of Duppin vote)

after the read up, I'm interested in hearing ur updated read. I am not the counterwagon but I can easily become one if people keep sheeping votes on me.

There's intelligent fence sitting which is something I think scum does. That's .. not what Noraa is doing.

But look you seem a lot more confident than me, I don't really want to flip Panzer after those last couple of posts. So let's just vote Noraa and at least get her to do some scum hunting? Because I agree that I don't see a lot of it, the issue is just that I didn't feel like I saw a lot of it in her meta.

What in the fuck is up with this buddying?

no

fair enough

I do still think the Noraa wagon is town led which is why I'm willing to vote there for the time being.

Literally. Seriously. What kind of a damn reason is this? tHiS wAgOn iS tOwN lEaD sO i'Ll hOp oN tO gEt tOwNcRed.

all everyone here can say about me is that my playstyle sucks ass.

aw HELL no. How is it the second I waffle on you, you go back to scumming it up?
Everything I've seen as potential playstyle points I have avoided pushing. There is no way in Hell, Heaven, or on Earth that you can construe my points against you as pushing playstyle.

all ur points are sheeped anyways. I'll hear stuff from people that actually had original reads on me but I dont think u can just bc all ur reads on me r sheeped and u dont even deny that

[Noraa]

The spoiler is a huge reason for my retunneling

VOTE: Murder

DIE SCUM

[Noraa]

Uh the wagon wasn't even picking up steam. I left bc I started feeling like I was tunneling too much and I tend to tunnel in the wrong places.

Murders whole, "imma side with shea to get town cred" has been throwing me off tho and is not protown at all hence my vote has gone back.

[Noraa]

I dont have to park my vote if I dont wanna. I still fail to see why thats a problem

[Noraa]

Ur SR on me is still weak no matter how u try to justify it and I remember you saying you were gonna do some meta diving. U should do that.

[Noraa]

U have hung onto the same reason and used it to justify a SR while not caring what anyone else does. This tunneling isnt beneficial to town and will only obstruct town from seeing anything until I die.

[Noraa]

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[Noraa]

first two are scum games
third is town game

[Noraa]

I can give you some self meta that I personally believe in:

I piss people off as town and seem terribly scummy
I seem town asf when I'm scum

[Noraa]

They are not for u so shush(I mean this in the nicest way possible as ur starting to tick me off)

[Noraa]

Hows that a lie?
that's my opinion on my play

[Noraa]

Can I see a town game where you played d1 from the start?

none are finished

[Noraa]

Murders buddying all over the place.
Lim me today and get murder tomorrow.
dragging a scum down with me is worth it imo.

[Noraa]

Lel every single post of urs is just like ahaha Noraa is the decided lim. And now u tell me u think I might be town.
seriously?
dont do this for towncred for when I flip green. ur not getting that towncred anyways

[Noraa]

Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.

[Noraa]

If towns decided, just lim me. I'm frustrated with this game as well and I'd rather be the day 1 lim than make people upset.

[Noraa]

Im sorry but I've heard too many negative things about my playstyle that I just dont know what to think at times. This'll sound like full on AtE but I will willingly eat the lim bc I dont want to ruin games for others.

[Noraa]

I seriously will eat it up. I have zero objections and I'm fine if we skip intent since there's not much a point anyways.

[Noraa]

Someone replaced out because of me and I was scum that round and I felt like shit for it.

[Noraa]

Anyways I'll just wait to see if town wants me to eat the kill. Im down if that's the decision. I'll try to solve more if town chooses not to but I think town should do whatever they think will benefit themselves the most.

[Noraa]

The game you mentioned Shea is very much a different situation from here. very different.

[Noraa]

My play makes people upset is what I've heard and I dont want to feel bad about it so I'm willingly eating a lim. On this day was a very different situation. I was "dying to help town narrow down the setup" or so scum!me said

[Noraa]

No this is completely different but u can choose to think like that if u want to.

[Noraa]

I dont see a problem with my defeatism. Almost everyone SRs me. The vibes are reminding me of a game that made me feel terrible. I want to eat the lim and town and scum want me to eat the lim as well. Everyone agrees so I'll take the lim. So what if its a free kill for the scums? It's the best one currently and either way, I'm gonna die sometime this game due to me not solving at all day 1. It's a matter of time and a mislim on me day 1 is better than in limlo.

Side not: also its funny that shea uses my scum game to say I'm scum here for telling everyone to lim me when in my finished town game, I didn't solve at all day 1 or 2. That annoys me greatly that my meta is being used like that.

[Noraa]

I don't think I'm being an asshole or making disparaging comments. I think she has a valid playstyle, it's just one that I feel is anti-town.

Also very rude that you say I'm not playing, shea. Ur bully

I mean, you are.
Soooooo.

As for the noraa wagon - I feel like some of these last few posts on page 47 have been pretty enlightening in terms of the case on noraa.
I also agree with them and was calling her out for some of these things earlier.

How many votes does she have right now?

slick way to slide onto the wagon

[Noraa]

Everyone agrees so I'll take the lim.

This is factually not true because I am sticking up for you and duppin is giving you a window if you contribute. Why don't you build a case on me and try to get me elimed?

No I see you as trying to get towncred for backtracking. Ive SRed u for a while now. If ur town, sorry that I'm interpreting kindness like this but from my perspective, I still think ur scum.

Duppin is another of my SRs so that's not faring that well with me either.

[Noraa]

I am not using it that way. I am, as I said earlier when you said this, only using it to show that this kind of play is within your scum range.

It is not a reason that you are scum, it is a response to the argument that it makes you town.

Then what is ur response to my argument that I didn't solve at all in my town game when I was a JKer?

[Noraa]

I don't think its a reasonable interpretation of your play that game.

oh?

[Noraa]

Everyone agrees so I'll take the lim.

This is factually not true because I am sticking up for you and duppin is giving you a window if you contribute. Why don't you build a case on me and try to get me elimed?

No I see you as trying to get towncred for backtracking. Ive SRed u for a while now. If ur town, sorry that I'm interpreting kindness like this but from my perspective, I still think ur scum.

Duppin is another of my SRs so that's not faring that well with me either.

why does it matter whether you are scumreading us or not? in fact if you believe i am scum and you know i am voting on you, shouldnt that encourage you to fight your lim since from your point of view it would mean it was pushed by scum?

my SRs are generally wrong anyways but no that would not motivate a town!me that's given up on a game to fight back. I dont have that townie fire in me if that's what ur looking for.

[Noraa]

I was universally TRed that game and either way I still think I didn't solve day 1. All that fence sitty shit is what you call solving? if that's solving, I sure as hell have done it here

[Noraa]

Everyone agrees so I'll take the lim.

This is factually not true because I am sticking up for you and duppin is giving you a window if you contribute. Why don't you build a case on me and try to get me elimed?

No I see you as trying to get towncred for backtracking. Ive SRed u for a while now. If ur town, sorry that I'm interpreting kindness like this but from my perspective, I still think ur scum.

Duppin is another of my SRs so that's not faring that well with me either.

why does it matter whether you are scumreading us or not? in fact if you believe i am scum and you know i am voting on you, shouldnt that encourage you to fight your lim since from your point of view it would mean it was pushed by scum?

my SRs are generally wrong anyways but no that would not motivate a town!me that's given up on a game to fight back. I dont have that townie fire in me if that's what ur looking for.

but what exactly does this mean then? what happens if we end up not limming you?

then town deals with my bs until I either decide I'm going to try again or until I replace out

[Noraa]

Ok what sorry I just read those posts you quote shea more carefully. And seriously wtf. Those actually sound so fucking scummy now that I think about it. No seriously no. You cannot ever argue that I solved that game. I was SRed a bit but then universally TRed for hammering scum day 1. I hammered bc he claimed my dang role. Seriously no. I was scummy as hell that round. you CANNOT say otherwise.

[Noraa]

@Shea
So I feel like ur purposefully trying to find my towniness in the finished town game knowing that I was JKer. However, there is none imo which is making me question why ur using something like how much I solve to show if I'm town. I say I didn't solve or try to determine alignment and whatever that game but u insist I did. I did not. Not even compared to this game. I think I made more effort to solve this game than I did that one and I think its very obvious. You keep arguing that its bc of my lack of solving that I'm scum. I've told u my meta proves otherwise and u manage to take some fence sitty asf posts and tell me I'm solving more there. I disagree big time.

My jumping off murder and not voting anyone is my common townplay of not knowing who to SR. I'm scum hunting but I'm not able to find scum this fast. In that finished town game, I "sussed" 4 people and all 4 were vanilla town. I am not confident in my scum hunting abilities and that makes me withhold my vote and withhold reads at times too.

[Noraa]

Ur case is terrible. I hate that its frustrating me so much but it is. I think I am solving this round and you saying that I solved more in that game is not rubbing me the right way bc I DID NOT. It's clear as day that I was only TRed that game bc I hammered scum day 1.

[Noraa]

withhold reads at times too

If you are elimed it is not worth doing this. I know you have given scum reads but it seems like you are suspecting everyone. Who do you think is town?

I can't seem to form a town block here with half the playstyles being jestery ones that joke around and do nothing else and the other half all sussing the hell out of me. I am a biased player and I am OMGUSy asf when I'm town. SRs on me will affect my reads whether I want it to or not.

[Noraa]

I'm not trying to find "townieness" I'm trying to find you engaging with the game in a way that makes me think you care about alignment.

In what the fuck way am I fence sitting here?

You jumped off murder specifically because you said that "other people are scummier" so in what world am I supposed to believe that the reason you did it was because "you didn't know who to SR"

You literally said that other people had made you suspicious IN THAT POST. And then refused to tell me who they were or why when I asked.

I said I was fence sitty in that towngame.
"other people were scummier" = multiple people were scummier and I didn't know which one to choose.
I dont have to specify my reads especially when they weren't fully developed. Why are u pushing me to give an undeveloped, not thought out read literally like 3 days into day 1(at the time that was the amount of time basically)

[Noraa]

Now that I think about it, why were u pressuring me to give a read when my read wasn't fully developed?

there were plenty of people that had contributed less. Why pressure me?

[Noraa]

I can't seem to form a town block here with half the playstyles being jestery ones that joke around and do nothing else and the other half all sussing the hell out of me. I am a biased player and I am OMGUSy asf when I'm town. SRs on me will affect my reads whether I want it to or not.

Can you give a blank read list then? Call everyone you aren't scum reading null

one sec

[Noraa]

Full on reads take me so long. Shea ur just tunneling town.

I'm interested in looking more into you but rn I'm a lil annoyed of this game so imma visit my other threads. If ur town, calm the tunneling down and come up with a block of questions that u want answered from me. If its already been answered, tell me what u didn't like about the answer dont just ask again. Some things I just won't agree with u on. No point in asking those questions. They are subjective anyways and will get us nowhere.

Murder will get his read list later when I come back to this thread.

[Noraa]

Name 2 or 3 things you've done this game that you feel come from a town mindset.

I think that my asking people to solve me and sticking to my own opinions are all huge town tells. Asking people to solve me is generally a town tell for me. I'll admit, I think I've done it a lil in scum games but I do it much much more as town. Sticking to my own opinions is 100% a town tell for me. Im an indecisive person in general and as scum I can definitely use that to my advantage and flip flop without much trouble.

[Noraa]

Going with the flow and blending into the crowd of townies is not hard for me whether or not you believe it.

[Noraa]

I'm not asking for town tells. I'm asking for things you have done that are more likely to be done by a town player than a scum player in terms of intrinsic motivation.

Townreading Kazu is definitely something town would do over scum. Scum would just go with the flow and sus Kazu.
Flipflopping on Murder is something town would do over scum. Scum might drop an SR but wouldn't bring it back.

[Noraa]

I think bulge is right. To sum it up, Murder is being too agreeable this round. I'm also not seeing a town!Murder no matter how hard I try to see it

[Noraa]

Btw update: noraas lil hissy fit of upsetness is over

[Noraa]

happy Noraa is back

[Noraa]

shush be quiet I'm actually trying to solve and help

[Noraa]

I think if Murder flips red anytime during this game, it clears everyone that tunneled him day one(before this post cuz can't let scums take advantage of it).
scums bus but never day 1.

[Noraa]

Mostly its just been Bulge, Panzer, and me.

Pooky and Shea would be semi cleared.