Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Gloria Cleary]

Like knowing that there has to be at least on scum on Hopkirk, does it really make sense for scum!Pooky to have Flea as his #1 townread and be voting Isis?

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t think I could’ve faked the interaction with flea on page 151 as faer scum buddy but *shrug*

Well, whoever’s scum ideally either wants themselves or their buddy, if not both in the pairings. What I don’t understand is while I was scumreading Isis she was townreading me and then I townread her, she thinks I’m scum with Flea but now that I’m voting her, she no longer thinks I’m scum.

I don’t understand her progression on me at all. The only players that were obviously scummy to me, were Dunn and Gypyx.

[Gloria Cleary]

so I think it’s safer to vote a Hopkirk voter.

a hopkirk voter has to be flipped anyway because of the nightkill

so I think it’s safer to vote a Hopkirk voter.

a hopkirk voter has to be flipped anyway because of the nightkill

so even if we don't eliminate one of isis/flea then the nightkill will

Do, do you think Isis is the best vote then? I actually think that two Hopkirk voters could possibly make sense, because thinking one scum on Gypyx implies a direct associative, where as two Hopkirk voters do not. I think Pooky really believes in his Isis read, so probably the best vote, I guess.

[Gloria Cleary]

¶

Votecount 3.0.5

[1] Flea The Magician:

Flea The Magician

[6] Not Voting:

Isis, Ydrasse, Infinity 324, Gloria Cleary, PookyTheMagicalBear, team rocket queen

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-17 19:22:19).

Ydrasse asks Gloria Cleary to dance.

Gloria Cleary asks PookyTheMagicalBear to dance.

Joint Mod ISO

[Gloria Cleary]

hm, both of you were just voting infinity and are now opposed

I’m not. I think he and Skitter sound like buddies and Isis actually doesn’t.

Skitter got very upset when Hopkirk and Isis voted her but was chill when Infinity did.

VOTE: Infinity

[Gloria Cleary]

In sober-form I don't see myself voting out Dunnstral with skitter alive, especially with skitter backing off of me once she can tell I am pop-ular, and Dunnstral being pretty brazen.

Pooky did you push Dunnstral because he's the scummiest person in the game, or because you thought I'd like it?

VOTE: isis

Does Isis look like a Skitter buddy here?

[Gloria Cleary]

Even if you don’t like it, I don’t see how it’s scummy?

Because I don’t think he’s town because he reminds me if a game where he played similar to this as scum and he doesn’t sound like he usually does as town.

because i feel like she's trying to find reasons to vote me that are weak and silly
i still feel like she isn't engaging with me despite that

i've seen dunn play like this as both alignments so i'm kinda meh on that argument

Skitter seems really annoyed at Isis. Anti-associative

[Gloria Cleary]

Does Isis look like a Skitter buddy here?

i don't see how that is partner indicative either way. + or -. i know it has to be because all posts comes from a perspective, but yeah

I will find the posts about Infinity but Shitter is way too chill when Infinity scumreads her/votes her but seems really iirriated when Hopkirk/Isis does it.

Scum rare gets upset when their buddies scumread them/vote them.

[Gloria Cleary]

pedit fair enough but that's not something i can easily argue with u abt so i'm just gonna shrug and accept that you're not reading me right

Does this look partner indicative?

Did you read that post I just quoted? She seems pissed at Isis.

[Gloria Cleary]

because i didn't 'back off of her once i could she was pop-ular', and i object that she's ascribing that reasoning to my unvote because it did not, in fact, happen

i don't particularly think that dunn is town but i also dont' really agree with your reasoning for scum!dunn

Another anti-associative

[Gloria Cleary]

Skitter has strong arguments but doesn’t ~feel~ right

it's ok, u will get there eventually

~

okay i've accepted i'm going to be limmed and i ask that y'all give me a chance to look at my reads before hammering me

here is what you should take from my townflip

gypyx is always town here
dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)

i think this is remarkably out of character for town!you

~

What if Dunnstral is holding the lamp and TGP's silly charade is to keep his friend Dunnstral safe?

ehhhhh not with the existing associatives between the two of them. i would be p shocked if dunn/tgp were a thing, even in a lampbearer universe

~

VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.

they're fine imo

~

UNVOTE:
VOTE: skitter

hello
i was p sure u were leading up to that

[Gloria Cleary]

I mean they know they have to set up distancing right

skitter is not somebody who doesn't plan ahead.

And it couldn’t be a potential setup?

I just feel the “weak and silly” strikes me as genuine annoyance from Skitter. Would you say that about a buddy who you’re distancing?

[Gloria Cleary]

that's maybe part of skitter scum playstyle but it doesn't fit mine as much.

Infinity is a good lim, still the most likely offwagon scum over Gloria.

UNVOTE:

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: Isis

You’re progression on me is really insane.

[Gloria Cleary]

Maybe Isis has a tmi on Infinity!town and is trying to set me up?

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria if we flip Infinity red you become clear.

I'm sorry for suspecting you please revote.

I just don't read AtE very well

I think the way you're cooperating with people is townie

VOTE: Infinity

Don’t make me regret this

[Gloria Cleary]

UNVOTE:

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria if we flip Infinity red you become clear.

I'm sorry for suspecting you please revote.

I just don't read AtE very well

I think the way you're cooperating with people is townie

I’m already clear. So if he flips town. it still doesn’t make me scum.

[Gloria Cleary]

that's maybe part of skitter scum playstyle but it doesn't fit mine as much.

Infinity is a good lim, still the most likely offwagon scum over Gloria.

Why would town!you even suspect me for towncasing you?

Why do you only think I’m scum when I think you’re town?

And as soon as I scumread you, I’m back to being town again? Why?

[Gloria Cleary]

that's maybe part of skitter scum playstyle but it doesn't fit mine as much.

Infinity is a good lim, still the most likely offwagon scum over Gloria.

Gloria if we flip Infinity red you become clear.

I'm sorry for suspecting you please revote.

I just don't read AtE very well

I think the way you're cooperating with people is townie

These two posts back to back make no sense.

[Gloria Cleary]

I mean I still have a mixed read on you but talking about my doubts is not going to get you to cooperate with me on Infinity >_>
Glass half full

I feel that you know Infinity is flipping town and you’re setting me up as mislaunch.

Why would you even have doubts? What does scum!me get out of trying to towncase you?

[Gloria Cleary]

Like if I decide to tinfoil doublescum offwagon it's probably not gonna include someone who has townspewed as much as Gloria

You just said you thought I was scum right after I voted Infinity, so which is it? And why should I believe anything you’re telling me?

[Gloria Cleary]

My offwagon reads is Infinity<Gloria<Ydrasse=Jessie

You are towny when compared to Infinity but scummy if Infinity does flip town.
You are also townier than Flea and Pooky

Yeah, no this post sounds uberscummy.

[Gloria Cleary]

i think isis feels scummier than infinity rn but i am ok with either as long as our votes are together.

Town!Isis would take a hard stance on my being town. This hedging especially after I tried to towncase her is weirding me out.

It reads like she’s setting me up to be mislaunced if Infinity flips town.

[Gloria Cleary]

Based on day 1 you're super townie, everyone in this game if this was a normal game I feel like I would be townreading :/

Then why do I feel you’re trying to position me as possible scum if Infinity flips green?

[Gloria Cleary]

I think Ydrasse is more of a flash+ignite lady
pedit: I'm not scum with Ydrasse because I'd be giddier
Also we'd probably dance
pedit: no after Infinity's flip we will re-evaluate.
You would have a chance to prove that your townness
We'd have another full day instead of twenty minutes

I tried to push Dunn over TGP. I tried to convince Pooky to switch back to Gypyx from Hopkirk and now I tried to towncase you. How are you still even suspicious of me after all of that? How does any of this make sense to you if I’m scum?

[Gloria Cleary]

I think Ydrasse is more of a flash+ignite lady
pedit: I'm not scum with Ydrasse because I'd be giddier
Also we'd probably dance
pedit: no after Infinity's flip we will re-evaluate.
You would have a chance to prove that your townness
We'd have another full day instead of twenty minutes

I tried to push Dunn over TGP. I tried to convince Pooky to switch back to Gypyx from Hopkirk and now I tried to towncase you. How are you still even suspicious of me after all of that? How does any of this make sense to you if I’m scum?

@Isis, you planning on responding to this?

[Gloria Cleary]

jessie gth who you voting?

noone currently, tried to get information by voting infinity to see and isis and flea maybe less likely to be co-conspirators than i thought before

we have like 10 mins bleh

[Gloria Cleary]

who are we killing @Gloria/Jessie?

Idk.

[Gloria Cleary]

:0
I did it by accident so you know I'm good
pedit: Dunn wasn't under that much pressure d1, I don't think that was a big deal.
I should maybe be more grateful for being towncased I guess
I'm used to getting townread as town and take it for granted sometimes?

Yeah because everyone shot me down when I tried to push him and why does scum!me try to convince Pooky to switch back to Gypyx?

[Gloria Cleary]

i dont really think flea flips scum tho :/

Pooky, one Hopkirk voter has to be scum here, so which one?

[Gloria Cleary]

Love that I'm scum regardless.

Like I said, I want releasing from the game.

I've tried coming back in and getting serious, I got ignored. Tried getting dancers organised, and got lol no'd and theres scum in there.

I just don’t understand this but it could still be Isis. Idk.

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: Flea

Granting your wish. <3

[Gloria Cleary]

Since nothing short of a raging tsunami will convince that you’re wrong on me, I won’t waste my breath. I don’t think it’s Pooky, so if Flea green flip, means Isis very likely scum. Flea red flip otoh? dunno but it would actually look worse for you than Isis because it fits with Jessie’s you/Flea read. Why because you wanted Ydrasse to pair with faer where as Isis wanted me to pair with her.

[Gloria Cleary]

It really was infinity, like the shift in the reads was incredibly hard and as either alignment I would've been miffed.

They really Pooks, and sadly in a game where you're playing the players as much as the game and setup it's always going to be a thing.

I knew it! No one could possibly be that godawful as town.

[Gloria Cleary]

I feel abused.

Isis pls punish me tomorrow for being an idiot

I couldn’t decide between them and I thought if I got it wrong, I was going to be set up. I didn’t realize that this was a reverse psychology thing with Flea. I actually thought fae might be scum who wanted out. Town doesn’t usually want to be released from games so that made me a bit suspicious.

@Infinity you majorly fucked up with that ludicrous death tunnel on me. I wasn’t going to trust you over Isis when you were both incorrectly reading me. You should have continued to buddy me and you might have won.

@Pooky, Ydrasse was flaming obvtown. I wasn’t going to dance with Flea when I was somewhat suspicious of her. I was rock solid on my townblock and I wasn’t going pair with anyone outside of it.

[Gloria Cleary]

unless you're saying Flea played godawful but I don't think fae did. But I know you were unhappy with Infinity's play

No not Flea, Infinty obviously.

And that isn’t what I said, I said that no one could possibly be as godawful at town as Infinity was in that game.

[Gloria Cleary]

unless you're saying Flea played godawful but I don't think fae did. But I know you were unhappy with Infinity's play

No not Flea, Infinty obviously.

And that isn’t what I said, I said that no one could possibly be as godawful at town as Infinity was in that game.

No Flea played great but I didn’t townread the self-voting thing but I didn’t townread it for the reasons fae intended.

[Gloria Cleary]

It really was infinity, like the shift in the reads was incredibly hard and as either alignment I would've been miffed.

They really Pooks, and sadly in a game where you're playing the players as much as the game and setup it's always going to be a thing.

Pretty sure it’s just isis, sorry gloria

So @Flea you were wifomming us?

[Gloria Cleary]

Nah, Infinity’s just trolling me. Please stop, I haven’t been wrongly pushed as scum in I don’t remember.

[Gloria Cleary]

I believe "infinity" is a noun of direct address there, that's who she's talking to, not what "it" "was". Fae is agreeing about faer fall from UTR being frustrating

Was it you or Isis? Seriously. I’m not in the mood for trolls.

[Gloria Cleary]

It really was infinity, like the shift in the reads was incredibly hard and as either alignment I would've been miffed.

They really Pooks, and sadly in a game where you're playing the players as much as the game and setup it's always going to be a thing.

I knew it! No one could possibly be that godawful as town, as Infinty was.

I was also not wrong @Jessie about the Skitter buddy thing. She and Infinity really did sound like buddies to me and Isis did not but when Jessie unvoted after I posted that, I started to doubt it.

[Gloria Cleary]

Isis, unless you’re hard trolling us lol

So it really was Isis? You wouldn’t be so cruel as to torment me further with this, would you?

[Gloria Cleary]

Isis, unless you’re hard trolling us lol

No, so I’m right about Isis only wrongly scumreading me as scum.

I thought she sounded really scummy with her desperation not to be voted. So the Flea vote was a concession? But why did she hardpush town!Ydrasse into the dance pairs?

[Gloria Cleary]

the games not over is it...???

Scumteam conceded just not officially.

[Gloria Cleary]

It really was infinity, like the shift in the reads was incredibly hard and as either alignment I would've been miffed.

They really Pooks, and sadly in a game where you're playing the players as much as the game and setup it's always going to be a thing.

Pretty sure it’s just isis, sorry gloria

So @Flea you were wifomming us?

I've told the truth a hell of a lot, best tool scum has is the truth.
The thing is I've woven a lot of misleading information in there. I worked out what parts would be ignored and what parts wouldn't be and used it to my advantage.

Scum won't concede, they're in a good position. I was intended to die as the NK sadly that plan is out of the window but we're still good for a win

If you die, than that would have confirmed your buddy as scum because scum would obviously kill town if that were possible.

[Gloria Cleary]

Nah I've claimed pre-flip that's all. You caught me and that's that I don't see the point in dragging it on and leaving "what ifs"

So the game isn’t over yet?

[Gloria Cleary]

It’s very possible gloria is doing a “let me pretend I’m town and I’m so sure we won” thing. W/e get isis then gloria

Are you insane, no offense but seriously?

I don’t mean that in the pejorative sense obviously.

[Gloria Cleary]

It’s very possible gloria is doing a “let me pretend I’m town and I’m so sure we won” thing. W/e get isis then gloria

Okay, enough’s fucking enough already! You put me through hell in this game and you should feel really ashamed for trolling me and being and despicably sadistic. This isn’t fucking funny anymore. Please fuck off with that garbage. It’s really beneath you at this point.

[Gloria Cleary]

If you’re town here, I feel like you should try to accept that people are wrong reading you sometimes? Like yeah I take responsibility for being bad, but sometimes people are bad in mafia. I’m not trying to make you upset.

Like I seriously don’t know if you’re trolling me which would be really cruel. Have you ever had anyone wrongly deathtunel you thougout an entire game not listening to anything you’re saying? It’s like short of posting my role pm, nothing was going to convince you.

[Gloria Cleary]

It’s very possible gloria is doing a “let me pretend I’m town and I’m so sure we won” thing. W/e get isis then gloria

I like this plan.

Not you too @Flea. I’m really not finding this amusing. Really it’s mean and I really do like you, so please stop putting me through this.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm about to be flipped scum, lets face it nothing I say game wise at this point has any meaning.

You've played your heart out though <3

Sorry, I just thought this game was finally over. That’s some seriously good trolling. But yeah, meta apparently isn’t trash. . People always say this but it’s usually 65% - 70% accurate more often then not.

[Gloria Cleary]

Isis makes beautiful posts.

@Isis do you write poetry in your spare time, you really should.

[Gloria Cleary]

The dancers within the remaining preppers are safe for the night; everyone knows you can't kill someone the night after they've danced. Meanwhile, Isis and Infinity 324 were noticeably not dancing. Come the morning, everyone discovers a grisly scene.... Infinity has hit his very last version number. Infinity 324 was... Spoiler: Town

I am really saddened by this.

[Gloria Cleary]

I townread everybody in one way or another but the best way I can make sense of the game right now is that Jessie was playing gambler with asking town!Ydrasse to pick whoever she wanted to push yesterday, and that Jessie is the last scum. I don't want to think about who it is if it's not Jessie because I don't even want to think about it being Jessie

I’m really confident it’s not Ydrasse now and Pooky’s still my strongest townread.

So if it’s not you then Flea did an absolutely brilliant job of wifomming us. I was just so sure you’d be the NK because I was hard scumreading him.

Since I’m really confident on Ydrasee!town now, it doesn’t really make a great deal of sense why scum!you would insist she be paired. That’s another reason I expected it to be him because he hardpushed scum!Flea into the pairs.

Well, we’d probably lose this game because Infinity is apparently shockingly that bad. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

who is the last baddie gypyx?

I still can’t believe Infinity actually flipped town. That seriously blows my mind.

[Gloria Cleary]

okay so ydrasse is hardcleared by this votecount:

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Votecount 2.0.7

[3] Gypyx:

Infinity 324, Gloria Cleary, Dunnstral

[2] skitter30:

Hopkirk, Ydrasse

[2] Ydrasse:

skitter30, Flea The Magician

[1] Hopkirk:

Isis

[4] Not Voting:

Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gypyx, team rocket queen

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-07 15:06:18).

Joint Mod ISO

I had a PT with her so I’m extremely confident on Ydrasse!town and if I’m wrong I’d be fine losing to her but she was extremely super solvey in our PT. I had some slight doubts at first but by the end of last night I’m really solid on Ydrasse!town. Also, she makes no sense as a Flea buddy.

[Gloria Cleary]

I don't understand why I would clear everyone but Pooky and Gloria.

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t clear me. The fact that no one wanted to listen to me about Dunn is in no way my fault and I was clearly upset at Pooky for voting Hopkirk and trying to get him back on Gypyx.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m really confident it’s not Ydrasse now and Pooky’s still my strongest townread.

if you're town and it's not isis it's pooky. pooky also spent a lot of time yesterday saying flea was town for the first launch wagon in a way that didn't make sense.

It’s definitely not me. I really did think Flea was conceding and when Infinity continued his insane deathtunel on me, I pretty much lost it on him.

[Gloria Cleary]

I had a PT with her

how do you think ydrasse currently views your slot?

You can ask her but she thinks I’m locktown pretty much. And Pooky definitely knows I’m town here.

[Gloria Cleary]

I don't understand why I would clear everyone but Pooky and Gloria.

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t clear me. The fact that no one wanted to listen to me about Dunn is in no way my fault and I was clearly upset at Pooky for voting Hopkirk and trying to get him back on Gypyx.

Sorry @Isis, I obviously misread this.

[Gloria Cleary]

I don't understand why I would clear everyone but Pooky and Gloria.

because ydrasse is town from the votecount and surrounding post, just read the pages leading up to that votecount where the ydrasse wagon starts and the page immediately following,

and i guess i do not understand how you think any of the things with me and flea don't make it very unlikely we were co-conspirators to you, like why do i push pooky on him saying that flea is town, et cetera

Yes, it’s at your initiative that the Flea launch happened.

@Pooky, @Jessie, how do you guys read each other now?

[Gloria Cleary]

okay so ydrasse is hardcleared by this votecount:

there's no way skitter and flea start that wagon on a co-conspirator there, and then shortly thereafter ydrasse votes gypyx.

Not on day of deadline, no. Yes, I agree with you on Ydrasse! obvtown. I honestly have no clue because I was beyond confident we would have an endgaming Scumfinity flip. I still can’t believe it.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Pooky, @Jessie, how do you guys read each other now?

i think pooky is the roughly tied most likely conspirator with isis. coming into the day i would have preferred to eliminate pooky first but it feels like isis is trying to be open about the gamestate in a way that doesn't make sense to me,

But he was prepared to vote out Isis and with his Flea!town read, wouldn’t that pretty much fuck him? Wouldn’t harddriving Infinity mislaunch make more sense? Because Isis’ greenflip absolutely dooms him. I’m also having a great deal of trouble believing his interactions with Flea are scum theatre.

[Gloria Cleary]

My PoE from my perspective is I want to flip Jessie and Pooky, and either one can get mad at me for feeling like they had a better relationship with Flea than the other, I guess. I don't really view Jessie's interactions with Flea as clearing, maybe if I was good at mafia I would.

It didn't seem like anything that couldn't be bussing.

I still feel like this game would make more sense if Infinity had flipped red, the way Gloria says. I've made some mistake in the way I think about this game, somewhere. There's lots of reasons Jessie shouldn't really be scum either. Like.. she hasn't been very manipulative all game, she's done very little to make this game one where either Jessie or Flea survive to the end.

I wish I was NKed

But you thought scum was in the pairs yesterday, right? So why did you think that over Infinity?

[Gloria Cleary]

But he was prepared to vote out Isis and with his Flea!town read, wouldn’t that pretty much fuck him? Wouldn’t harddriving Infinity mislaunch make more sense? Because Isis’ greenflip absolutely dooms him. I’m also having a great deal of trouble believing his interactions with Flea are scum theatre.

if pooky voted out infinity with flea as a co-conspirator, then isis would have also been flipped.

Right, I didn’t think of that but he got so mad at Flea. Could scum!Pooky really have faked all of that?

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m also having a great deal of trouble believing his interactions with Flea are scum theatre.

they were often disconnected from what was otherwise happening in the thread.

The vote on Hopkirk did seem to come out of nowhere though and I kept practically begging him to get back on Gypyx. So I didn’t understand why he didn’t listen to me. I also didn’t understand why he wanted me paired but wouldn’t accept my dznce request. But he just sounded so much more genuine here than in Menagerie. But there was also the weird exchange with Dunn, so Idk. Do you think his fight with Flea looked fake? I really don’t want to lose another game to scum!Pooky. :/. But he was so super solvey and he kept asking you and me what he should do but you have a point, if Isis is town, that obviously doesn’t matter.

That’s why I waited @Isis. I was strongly townreading him and wanted him paired and I wasn’t sure on Ydrasse yet. However, I don’t understand why Flea was his #1 townread yesterday either. Fae wasn’t mine. I just thought fae was townier than Infinity/Isis.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think we all (all of us but whomever’s the last scum) thought it was Infinity. Pooky was definitely right about one thing. He really was TSTBS.

[Gloria Cleary]

Is this saying you townread Flea?

I'm getting there yes

I would be really disappointed in flea beyond words if flea is actually red and resorting to that level of ate.

Maybe you should read what I actually post about you rather than make shit up about how im hard-tunneled on you and want you dead.

If I am red, I just let you kill yourself. I don't spend hours trying to figure out how to fit you-green into a world that makes sense.

And the funny thing about all this shit I am doing for you is that you are so ungrateful and unwilling to read what I'm doing that you just nonstop flame me over and over again,

I am frankly sick of your posting.

Has scum!Pooky ever talked like this to a buddy ever?

[Gloria Cleary]

Do you think his fight with Flea looked fake?

i am having so much trouble explaining this. the fight i cannot weigh properly, but the context in which it was occurring, as i said at the time:

flea is saying ydrasse is a conspirator while pooky is saying flea has not played well while infinity is trying to rearrange all of the pairings

felt like it was possibly conspirator indicative because of how far removed from what was happening it was

I suppose it’s possible he could be having a real fight with a buddy. He was furious with Bulge in Hideyoshi. I guess what looks the worst is he wanted me paired with Flea. If anyone has a Pooky scumgame where he actually publicly fought with a buddy, that would be extremely helpful?

@Ydrasse, how good is Pooky at reading you?

[Gloria Cleary]

Has scum!Pooky ever talked like this to a buddy ever?

i should try not to speak to any1 like that :/

i feel bad about it

I just have an extremely difficult time believing those interactions were faked and there was the super solving he did. I also think he sounds extremely different from Mengerie. He sounds so sincere. I don’t think he’s that good of an actor.

[Gloria Cleary]

Like why does scum!Pooky have this exchange publicly because it sounds completely genuine to me? His reaction to Flea kind’ve mirrors my reaction to Infinity.

[Gloria Cleary]

His reaction to Flea kind’ve mirrors my reaction to Infinity.

i do not think so. your reaction was to say infinity was bad because he was suspicious of you, which doesn't make sense to me because one mistake doesn't determine someone's goodness or badness and it also makes it very difficult to come to the correct conclusion on your slot if you are town because you are not addressing the suspicion but attacking the player, but you were using this to say that because you do not think that infinity would be this bad, that infinity was a conspirator, which is faulty logic (not to say i wasn't also very wrong in my suspicions of infinity, i was, i was wrong too) but you were using this to make a determination on infinity's slot

whereas pooky was yelling at flea to say that flea had played poorly and was not appreciating pooky's efforts, which both assumes that flea is town and does not work towards a determination on flea's slot

I’m saying that Pooky’s reaction to Flea was similar, meaning he sounded like frustrated town.


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Anyway, here is a Pooky towngame where he got similarily emotional.

And my read on Infinity was good. Hectic just gave him the wrong colour role pm.

[Gloria Cleary]

His reaction to Flea kind’ve mirrors my reaction to Infinity.

i do not think so. your reaction was to say infinity was bad because he was suspicious of you, which doesn't make sense to me because one mistake doesn't determine someone's goodness or badness and it also makes it very difficult to come to the correct conclusion on your slot if you are town because you are not addressing the suspicion but attacking the player, but you were using this to say that because you do not think that infinity would be this bad, that infinity was a conspirator, which is faulty logic (not to say i wasn't also very wrong in my suspicions of infinity, i was, i was wrong too) but you were using this to make a determination on infinity's slot

whereas pooky was yelling at flea to say that flea had played poorly and was not appreciating pooky's efforts, which both assumes that flea is town and does not work towards a determination on flea's slot

I’m saying that Pooky’s reaction to Flea was similar, meaning he sounded like frustrated town.


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Anyway, here is a Pooky towngame where he got similarily emotional.

And my read on Infinity was good. Hectic just gave him the wrong colour role pm.

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Pooky!scum.

Both of these games had a lot of AtE from Pooky but I think what we saw in Micro is similar to this one.

[Gloria Cleary]

His reaction to Flea kind’ve mirrors my reaction to Infinity.

i do not think so. your reaction was to say infinity was bad because he was suspicious of you, which doesn't make sense to me because one mistake doesn't determine someone's goodness or badness and it also makes it very difficult to come to the correct conclusion on your slot if you are town because you are not addressing the suspicion but attacking the player, but you were using this to say that because you do not think that infinity would be this bad, that infinity was a conspirator, which is faulty logic (not to say i wasn't also very wrong in my suspicions of infinity, i was, i was wrong too) but you were using this to make a determination on infinity's slot

whereas pooky was yelling at flea to say that flea had played poorly and was not appreciating pooky's efforts, which both assumes that flea is town and does not work towards a determination on flea's slot

this is a towny post Σ(,,oΔo,,*)

It isn’t “faulty logic” at all though because I’ve never ever experienced a town!player deathtunelling on me like that before but I’ve experienced plenty of scum players shitpushing me the exact same way, so why wouldn’t I think he’s scum here doing just that?

[Gloria Cleary]

It isn’t “faulty logic” at all though because I’ve never ever experienced a town!player deathtunelling on me like that before but I’ve experienced plenty of scum players shitpushing me the exact same way, so why wouldn’t I think he’s scum here doing just that?

it is faulty logic because we can all be wrong, like i said when you said i had to be a conspirator because you thought i was wrong, wrong does not equal mafia, and wrong also does not equal bad

I’m basing it on experience which is just as valid a reason as any other. I just told you, I’ve never had town treat me like that ever but I’ve experienced scum doing exactly that to me. So I fail to see why that’s faulty?

[Gloria Cleary]

wrong does not equal mafia, and wrong also does not equal bad

like we were both wrong about infinity and we cannot both be conspirators. and i am not any worse at the game suddenly because i was wrong about infinity, i just haven't yet learned how to be right in that situation in the future.

If in my entire history of playing mafia, only players who treated me the way Infinity did were scum, then how is it illogical to not arrive at that exact conclusion? Yes, I obviously was wrong but I think that solve made perfect sense based on that.

Idk Jessie, I only know what my role pm says and I can agree with you that Ydrasse doesn’t make sense as scum for a lot of reasons. I wish I know who was scum here, which is why it’s so extremely frustrating to me it wasn’t Infinty, because this game would very likely be over if that were the case.

But tell me this, I think we can all agree that if Isis had been the NK, we’d all very likely be solid on yeeting Infinity, so, why does scum!me NK the scummiest acting slot in the entire game? I wouldn’t.

[Gloria Cleary]

So I fail to see why that’s faulty?

i do not think this is going to help us solve the game. i just think there are plenty of reasons someone could think you are mafia when you are town, and many of them are not mafia indicative.

I agree. I’m just saying based off experience it made sense.

Okay, why I’m town: I very clearly tried to push Dunn over TGP but I got resistance from pretty much everyone but Hopkirk. I tried to persuade Pooky to unvote Hopkirk and get back on Gypyx. I don’t put the ridiculous amount of effort into towncasing other slots. Like I’m close to bordering on trust tell territory, if I say too much more. I just don’t play like this as scum. There’s a damned good reason Pooky’s obvtowned me here and he would know better than anyone that this is my towngame and Ydrasse obviously thinks that too. I honestly don’t know what more I can say other than it’s in my entire ISO.

Oh and scum!me obviously doesn’t care if I mislaunch, so I don’t waffle like that unless I’m super confident on it.

[Gloria Cleary]

But tell me this, I think we can all agree that if Isis had been the NK, we’d all very likely be solid on yeeting Infinity, so, why does scum!me NK the scummiest acting slot in the entire game? I wouldn’t.

i would still probably want pooky first. and i wasn't questioning your towniness with this line of interaction, i was saying that your reaction to infinity was townier than pooky's reaction to flea to me.

And since I have irrefutable proof of my alignment, I would obviously hard oppose that. I also wonder why you would yeet me before Isis, if that’s what you’re saying?

[Gloria Cleary]

can i ask why you think i don't think you are likely town?

Didn’t you just say you would yeet me after Pooky? Fypov, shouldn’t you only seriously be considering me before Ydrasse? If I misunderstood that, then I’m sorry.

I guess I have then, she you are apparently more suspicious of both of them, correct?

[Gloria Cleary]

can i ask why you think i don't think you are likely town?

because you are towncasing yourself, but i am more concerned about how you're reading pooky,

I understand your reasoning on Pooky and I’m torn on that because there’s definitely very good logical reasons to think he could possibly be a conspirator here but I would like everyone in the game to click those links I posted on town!Pooky AtE vs, scum!Pooky AtE and tell me which one do you think you’re seeing here?

I also wonder why scum!Pooky kills Infinity over Isis. I wonder why anyone who isn’t Isis would. Sorry @Isis but I just don’t understand why Infinity dies over you here? Because you have objectively played much townier than him and therefore would be far more difficult to yeet. Like if you had been the NK, I’d already be voting him and strongly encouraging everyone else to sheep me on that but because it’s you not him, I’m now questioning everything.

[Gloria Cleary]

Didn’t you just say you would yeet me after Pooky?

no i said that i would want to eliminate pooky before infinity if infinity were alive instead of isis

Seriously why though? Like it would probably be a slam dunk for me if it were Infinity.

[Gloria Cleary]

I

i think the conspirators win condition is probably to separate us. and i am worried about final three.

Me and Ydrasse decided it was more likely either Infinity or Isis than any of the pairings.

[Gloria Cleary]

i think the conspirators win condition is probably to separate us. and i am worried about final three.

so when isis starts the day with jessie is not town, or pooky says in the pt during the night that they will create suspicion of me in order to get me alive into the next day phase, this is very suspicious

Pooky said that? Yeah, that is very interesting. So Pooky told you he would shade you today so that scum won’t kill you?

@Pooky? Can you explain this?

[Gloria Cleary]

I would never shoot isis if I was scum and she was town

I believe you but that obviously isn’t helpful because Isis isn’t dead, Infinity is.

[Gloria Cleary]

Didn’t you just say you would yeet me after Pooky?

no i said that i would want to eliminate pooky before infinity if infinity were alive instead of isis

Seriously why though? Like it would probably be a slam dunk for me if it were Infinity.

because i am more worried about you voting me in a pooky/me/you situation than i would be about you voting me in a isis/me/you situation

during the night i was also worried about you voting ydrasse in a pooky/ydrasse/you situation, but that seems less likely to me now based on interactions throughout the day

like i thought if we voted isis/infinity it was less likely to result in a town win than voting pooky and i still do, though for narrower reasons than i previously believed

Yes, after my PT with Ydrasse, she is now my strongest townread. I haven’t even thought that far ahead but Pooky saying he never shoots Isis here isn’t really helpful, because that’s very obviously what whomever’s scum did. I would weigh things extremely carefully Jessie. I don’t want to do anything stupid to make us lose anymore than you would.

[Gloria Cleary]

I told her I would shade her so people would think I'd be willing to vote her, so she won't be nightkilled and we end up in a f3 in which the bad guy expects me to vote for Jessie. I would then not vote for her instead, to flip the tables on that bad guy.

I was going to put a hidden message in the shading that she would be able to unlock to show that the shade was fake in the event I died instead of continuing on to f3.

She said she didn't want to do this plan.

I don’t understand this at all? Ydrasse thinks I’m the most logical NK. I don’t like this anymore than Jessie because it kind’ve makes me wonder if your plan is to get me NK’d? Is it?

[Gloria Cleary]

I was going to put a hidden message in the shading that she would be able to unlock to show that the shade was fake in the event I died instead of continuing on to f3.

this part of the plan was never mentioned, to clarify

@Pooky, in what world would you be the NK here? I think last night I agreed with Ydrasse it would be me but now I think it would probably be Ydrasee.

[Gloria Cleary]

I would never shoot isis if I was scum and she was town

she would kill me though

she loves hurting me

Dafuq? Are you seriously suggesting scum!Isis would gamethrow? Like that would be beyond stupid.

[Gloria Cleary]

if we miss today, the most townie player will get NK'd

that makes sense right?

Which is Ydrasse but fypov, that obviously should be me.

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t like this anymore than Jessie because it kind’ve makes me wonder if your plan is to get me NK’d? Is it?

from my point of view if you are nightkilled it is best situation because ydrasse is basically confirmed to me, so me/ydrasse/anyone is always a town win as long as ydrasse does not vote for me

Why is my being NK’d best? I’m really not following any of this.

[Gloria Cleary]

from my point of view if you are nightkilled it is best situation because ydrasse is basically confirmed to me, so me/ydrasse/anyone is always a town win as long as ydrasse does not vote for me

and from your point of view i am probably the best nightkill for the same reason

Oh I see now but based on us both townlocking Ydrasse, I now would be very surprised if it was either of us.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

[Gloria Cleary]

Why is my being NK’d best? I’m really not following any of this.

because if i am alive and ydrasse is alive then whoever else is alive is the conspirator almost always, instead of probably. if i am alive and you are alive, based on my current reads i would think the whoever else was probably the conspirator. but if i am alive and ydrasse is alive then whoever else is alive is almost always the conspirator.

Yeah that makes sense. Well the only way that happens is if it actually is you because otherwise, it’s not happening.

[Gloria Cleary]

Me and Ydrasse had an extremely normal PT. Iow, we pretty much exclusively discussed our reads. Jessie and Pooky otoh, apparently had a PT straight out of Mission Impossible.

[Gloria Cleary]

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

well pooky came into the night suspicious of ydrasse, but i showed the votecount and explained how it is clearing to me,

and then pooky and i talked in a way that made me assume that pooky thought me/ydrasse would be the logical nightkills if we did not do the plan

but my assumption here may have also possibly been wrong as i guess i misunderstood the plan

Pooky had me as his second strongest townread after Flea, so I would assume he would think it me and then me or Ydrasse, so I find it super weird that he didn’t think it was most likely me/Ydrasse. Because I was his #1 townread post Flea flip, so Idk wtf’s up with that but it’s really not making any sense to me.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

That really doesn’t explain why you think Jessie over me. Like fypov, if we launch Isis and game doesn’t end, who do you think scum would be?

[Gloria Cleary]

actually if we miss on isis you probly all launch me at f3 so i wont even have to think.

Well if you’re town then we’d lose. Didn’t you fight like hell in Micro not to be the game losing miselim?

[Gloria Cleary]

it would depend on who gets nightkilled.

I honestly can’t wait to read that PT. Ours otoh, will be a total letdown by comparison.

[Gloria Cleary]

it did not feel great to lose after fighting that hard

But if you’re town, you’re essentially advocating gamethrowing.





This is how your posting today is making me feel.

[Gloria Cleary]

actually if we miss on isis you probly all launch me at f3 so i wont even have to think.

it did not feel great to lose after fighting that hard

I will deal with that situation if it comes up. I do not throw games.

@Pooky, please make sense, thanks.

[Gloria Cleary]

I told her I would shade her so people would think I'd be willing to vote her, so she won't be nightkilled and we end up in a f3 in which the bad guy expects me to vote for Jessie. I would then not vote for her instead, to flip the tables on that bad guy.

I was going to put a hidden message in the shading that she would be able to unlock to show that the shade was fake in the event I died instead of continuing on to f3.

She said she didn't want to do this plan.

In the world where we don't show our cards to the killer?

we cannot do this as it also stops us from showing our cards to eachother.

That's why I suggested keeping it in the PT and using a hidden doublespeak code.

i am fairly confused this game :/

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler:

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria
Ydrasse
Jessie
Isis
Pooky

[Gloria Cleary]

(looks around) i was thinking it was leaning towards being infinity after reading early game but okay

Infinity actually was scum, except that Hectic gave him a green role pm by mistake.

[Gloria Cleary]

(looks around) i was thinking it was leaning towards being infinity after reading early game but okay

if you are confident that gloria is town i kinda think we can probably just vote.

You’re not still doubting that I hope after my Pooky read change?

[Gloria Cleary]

I think it’s Pooky. He’s sounding weird again like in Menagerie.

This is what I think happened. Scum!Pooky Bond was hoping to shade you (Jessie) enough to be the game losing mislaunch. And his plan was presumably to get Isis onboard with that. Then he plays hero, thereby still keeping his word to Jessie and defends her honour by launching Isis. He probably either kills me or Ydrasse and convinces whichever one is alive on Jessie!scum hoping she never outs any of his cloak and dagger morse code shenanigans. Because he had already shaded Jessie in the previous day, she’s now perfectly set up to be the game-losing mislaunch. This is why he didn’t want to dance with me because he probably knows it would adversely impact our friendship if he ever tried to pull anything like that on me.

It looks like I was actually right about Gypyx wagon being pure. I also don’t think it makes a lot of sense for scum!Isis to push Ydrasse into the pairs and who wanted me to dance with scum!Flea? Oh yeah 00Pooky.

[Gloria Cleary]

You’re not still doubting that I hope after my Pooky read change?

i do not know what you are asking here. i am suggesting to ydrasse that if she is confident that you are town we can simply vote {isis, pooky}.

I’m saying that I think it’s Pooky > Isis.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m not opposed to voting Isis as I’m convinced everyone else (me, Ydrasse, Jessie) is town but I would rather vote out the player that I feel extremely confident is scum and that’s PookyTheMagicalScum, before he wifoms us into mislaunching Jesie.

Isis also tried to vote our Flea. And Pooky’s Hopkirk vote was hella weird and he refused to listen to me to switch back to Gypyx because he presumably felt so betrayed at Hopkirk never actually voting him apparently because he was sleep deprived or something.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m saying that I think it’s Pooky > Isis.

this will accomplish the same thing. and if voting isis does not end the game i want to give pooky the opportunity to roleplay dancing in the pt because they lamented not having the chance to do so earlier

My dance PT isn’t locked so the dances aren’t yet over?

But I really do think it’s Pooky. I mean we can just extend the day then and not rush the vote?

[Gloria Cleary]

before he wifoms us into mislaunching Jesie.

i don't understand how this would happen if you are convinced i am town.

I am but are you really that confident that he won’t try and pull a fast one here? I think if you want to give Pooky a chance to roleplay or whatever, why not just not rush the vote? I don’t understand why we need to probably mislaunch Isis for that to happen?

[Gloria Cleary]

¶

Votecount 4.0

[5] Not Voting:

Isis, Ydrasse, Gloria Cleary, PookyTheMagicalBear, team rocket queen

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-27 18:40:21).

Joint Mod ISO

Dance PTs aren’t locked and we have 6 days, so Pooky can still have his undercover fantasies come to life. I don’t understand why we need to launch Isis first when we can just not rush the day?

Like Idk if I die tonight and I don’t see why I should vote out Isis when I think it’s probably Pooky.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think if you want to give Pooky a chance to roleplay or whatever, why not just not rush the vote? I don’t understand why we need to probably mislaunch Isis for that to happen?

because rush the vote takes priority over giving pooky the opportunity. but if i can do both, why not.

like even right now because of this interaction i am like, hm, why would gloria have a strong preference for pooky, well, it is possibly because isis is vocally suspicious of me while pooky is not,

so voting while we are all somewhat confident in the solve seemed wise to me,

Which is scummier to you Isis being suspicious of you or Pooky probably trying to set you up with this James Bond nonsense? Seriously Jessie, why would you be suspicious of my wanting to vote out the player I think is most likely to be scum first?

[Gloria Cleary]

Jessie if I’m actually scum here, I never vote out Pooky, period, so I honestly don’t know what you’re smoking?

[Gloria Cleary]

Which is scummier to you Isis being suspicious of you or Pooky probably trying to set you up with this James Bond nonsense? Seriously Jessie, why would you be suspicious of my wanting to vote out the player I think is most likely to be scum first?

isis being suspicious because she is still tonereading when i feel like we are in more of a hardsolve sort of situation. and also the last time i thought someone was trying to set me up with james bond nonsense in a pt it was in silent star one and we were both aligned werewolves.

Alright fine. I’ll do this then. I’ll wait for both of them to weigh in first, which is what Isis said she would do. Why can we not afford to wait for that? Why do we need to rush this vote?

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t understand why we need to launch Isis first when we can just not rush the day?

i don't understand why we need to launch pooky first from your point of view. ydrasse voted isis then i voted isis and i don't see the benefit of switching and i can think of other reasons you might want us to switch and i don't think you and i become more confident in eachother's towniness over six days instead of less so i don't see a great benefit in extending the day either and i would like to give pooky the opportunity to roleplay.

So then we can also wait because Isis said she wanted to give her thoughts and I don’t see why we can’t wait for that? We also can give Pooky a chance to prove to me I’m wrong and your experience in SS2 is what’s actually happening here?

I read that game too but in that game, didn’t all town mistakenly think they were scum in that?

[Gloria Cleary]

i don't deserve jessie she is an angel

quite unfortunate gloria wants to kill me now :/

No, I want to wait. We have 6 days and I want to ideally get it right the first time.

So sell me on Isis!scum over you?

[Gloria Cleary]

Why can we not afford to wait for that? Why do we need to rush this vote?

we can wait for isis to weigh in if you'd like. do you really think you and i become more confident on eachother as the day progresses? i guess maybe i am thinking about this all wrong but i am naturally inclined to voice all of my suspicions and you are naturally inclined to yell at anyone who voices suspicions and i also do not do at all well with yelling and i just don't see how the day continues for six days is good for us if three of us currently think all of us are town

I don’t think all of us are town. I agree with you and Ydrasse that it’s between Pooky and Isis. He has fooled me twice now and I don’t want to be fooled three times. If he (or you) convince(s) or Pooky’s town then I have no problem voting Isis but I can’t in good faith vote Isis today when I think it’s Pooky > Isis. I need to be convinced otherwise in order to vote Isis.

So Pooky is wrong, I’m not trying to kill him, I just want to feel more confident that it actually is Isis and not him and rn I think it’s Pooky.

[Gloria Cleary]

I read that game too but in that game, didn’t all town mistakenly think they were scum in that?

yes but this was much later in the game when we knew that there were mafia hiding amongst the werewolves when i felt like someone i was aligned with and shared a pt with was proposing a plan to potentially set me up and then went ahead with the plan without my approval which strengthened this sense to me

So you think I’m wrong here and Pooky is on the level? I don’t get to read your PT. I can only go by what both of you posted in the thread and unless I’m completely misunderstanding what happened in there, both that but primarily Pooky’s reaction to you outing it is what’s making me so suspicious. Particularly him telling you that both you and Ydrasse had higher NK equity than me because that isn’t what Ydrasse thinks and it isn’t what Pooky was saying prior to today. Fhpov, I was his #1 toxnread, so what doesn’t make any sense to me is who are the “baddies” who he allegedly wants to keep you safe from if we launch Isis today and Ydrasse is clear? Do you now understand why I think it’s him > Isis? How can I be Pooky’s #1 townread, if Ydrasse is clear, Isis dead and he’s trying to protect you from the “baddies”? Do you not understand why all of that reads really wrong to me?

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t think all of us are town. I agree with you and Ydrasse that it’s between Pooky and Isis. He has fooled me twice now and I don’t want to be fooled three times. If he (or you) convince(s) or Pooky’s town then I have no problem voting Isis but I can’t in good faith vote Isis today when I think it’s Pooky > Isis. I need to be convinced otherwise in order to vote Isis.

So Pooky is wrong, I’m not trying to kill him, I just want to feel more confident that it actually is Isis and not him and rn I think it’s Pooky.

i meant that the three of us all currently think that the three of us are all town.

pooky could also simply vote isis.

He could but if Isis flips green, at least my vote won’t be on town.

[Gloria Cleary]

Do you not understand why all of that reads really wrong to me?

i do understand. and i agree that it is suspicious. and my inclination with regards to the plan in the pt was to think that was suspicious too. but i also may not be weighing that properly based on past experience, and isis has also been suspicious to me, and the solve accounts for both of them always. so i do not understand the reluctance either.

Because what he’s saying doesn’t make sense. Pooky claims he wants to keep you safe from the “baddies” so you won’t be NK’d. Pooky also presumably agrees with you that Ydrasse is clear. Pooky keeps insisting that I’m still his #1 townread. So if Isis flips town, how is any of that adding up for you?

[Gloria Cleary]

He could but if Isis flips green, at least my vote won’t be on town.

if we vote pooky today and pooky flips green, who is the conspirator? and if you think it is isis, i don't understand what difference it makes to town!you which of the two is voted today.

What if we vote out Isis today and she flips green? Read what I just said and in the context of an Isis green flip.

[Gloria Cleary]

Because what he’s saying doesn’t make sense. Pooky claims he wants to keep you safe from the “baddies” so you won’t be NK’d. Pooky also presumably agrees with you that Ydrasse is clear. Pooky keeps insisting that I’m still his #1 townread. So if Isis flips town, how is any of that adding up for you?

it isn't adding up, but i can potentially explain it from a town!pooky perspective, as pooky could think that ydrasse is clear, and that i am likely town, and that you are likely town but not the very most likely but also not want to upset you by saying so, and if isis flips town that would me that we would have already eliminated her in all likelihood and my suggestion for that situation has always been to eliminate pooky

Nah sorry not buying that for a minute. Because what you’re suggesting is that Pooky has been lying to me when he said I was his #1 town, so this is even weirding me out even more.

[Gloria Cleary]

Whatever you think Jessie, I not only know my role PM but I also do know that I am and should be Pooky’s #1 town, so if he’s telling you anything otherwise, he’s probably scum.

[Gloria Cleary]

Because what you’re suggesting is that Pooky has been lying to me when he said I was his #1 town, so this is even weirding me out even more.

if pooky agrees that ydrasse is clear they would have to be lying if they are town, yes? i'm not saying this is the only possible explanation, as again pooky could simply be a conspirator, but i also don't think this is impossible

Well I do. No way is he doubting me here, so he’s likely playing one of us here and I think it’s you.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

Jessie

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

Jessie

He is saying right here I am his #1 townread.

[Gloria Cleary]

And it’s not even true. You know who else has me as their #1 townread? Ydrasse. But it’s only Pooky not having me there is extremely suspicious to me.

[Gloria Cleary]

He is saying right here I am his #1 townread.

this just plain doesn't make sense to me because i don't understand how one would think that two conspirators decided to start a wagon on a third conspirator with the other two existing wagons both being on conspirators with less than 24 hours to deadline

but going over ydrasse's towniness again doesn't seem like the correct course of action

I’m not doubting Ydrasse at all, that isn’t what I’m saying.

[Gloria Cleary]

i dont really think ydrasse is hard cleared but i've been like wrong about way more stuff than jessie so i am just hardsheeping her.

Like Jessie, he’s saying very clearly that she isn’t his #1 townread, he’s saying you are and by sheeping you, he’s setting me up if Isis flips town.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

Because he actually said that I am, right here in this post.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

Because he actually said that I am, right here in this post.

i dont really think ydrasse is hard cleared but i've been like wrong about way more stuff than jessie so i am just hardsheeping her.

So please explain to me @Jessie how I can be his #1 townread and be okay with sheeping you? Please explain to me how any of that makes even an iota of sense to you?

[Gloria Cleary]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

Because he actually said that I am, right here in this post.

i dont really think ydrasse is hard cleared but i've been like wrong about way more stuff than jessie so i am just hardsheeping her.

So please explain to me @Jessie how I can be his #1 townread and be okay with sheeping you? Please explain to me how any of that makes even an iota of sense to you?

How can I be Pooky’s #1 townread and him willing to sheep you on Ydrasse!town, despite having doubts? And to make this beyond abundantly clear I am not doubting Ydrasse, I’m pointing out what Pooky is saying makes no fucking sense.

[Gloria Cleary]

So please explain to me @Jessie how I can be his #1 townread and be okay with sheeping you? Please explain to me how any of that makes even an iota of sense to you?

it doesn't. but it also doesn't make an iota of sense to me that either of us would be pooky's number 1 townread instead of ydrasse.

No it doesn’t but he’s making 3 things clear:

1) I’m his #1 townread
2) He’s doubting Ydrasse
3) You (and me) have locktowned her.
4) He will sheep you on town!Ydrasse despite having doubts and having me as his #1 townread.

This is extremely fishy and I could see him pitting two of us against the the other to get us to mislaunch and lose us the game.

You keep forgetting that neither me nor Ydrasse were ever supposed to even know about this plan, so he’s caught bsing both of us.

[Gloria Cleary]

because I trust Jessie a lot more than I trust myself

Bullshit! How am I no longer your #1 townread? That is what you’ve been saying. And Jessie is correct, it should logically be Ydrasee but by you doubting Ydrasse and sheeping Jessie despite having me as your #1 townread means if Isis flips town, you’re trying to set me up because I know I’m town, so yes I think you’re scumclaiming with this. If Isis flips town, you had better fucking kill me tonight because no way in hell am I not launching your fluffy ass straight into the stratosphere if you don’t.

[Gloria Cleary]

This is extremely fishy and I could see him pitting two of us against the the other to get us to mislaunch and lose us the game.

which was what i said about it in the thread. and reiterated when i said i thought the conspirator's win condition was probably to separate us. if you are town, we have already won. we just have to speedrun the votes in any order.

That exactly what I think but only Pooky has been caught double dipping here not Isis, which is why I prefer Pooky > Isis. I have no problem with launching Isis if game doesn’t end today but I just think Pooky’s being super scummy and I think Isis both pushing Ydrasse into the pairs and and her voting Flea, make Pooky the most logical launch because he A) didn’t want to vote out Flea B) he wanted in fact for fae to pair with me and keep Ydrasse out of the pairs.

But yeah, had you not revealed what happened in your PT, I would probably be totally onboard with launching Isis but I really think it is Pooky but I want to hear from Isis first.

I can’t tell you what to do but post Infinty flip, Pooky has been uberscummy, so I think the chances of the game ending today are much higher with a Pooky > an Isis launch.

But like I said, I need to hear from Isis first but Pooky’s posting today just makes me feel even stronger about this because trust me on this, he is lying if he doesn’t confidently read me town here.

[Gloria Cleary]

you are my number 1 townread

I just don't trust myself to be right about the game.

Make up your goddamned mind then. Why would you then sheep Jessie who has me after her and Ydrasse? If I am truly your #1 townread, then why wouldn’t you then sheep me?

[Gloria Cleary]

you are my number 1 townread

I just don't trust myself to be right about the game.

I have seen myself be wrong many times.

and I've never seen Jessie be wrong ever

.

What is this fuckery? You can’t fucking have me as your #1 townread and sheep Jessie. And you would never be saying this if you were actually fucking town here.

You are fucking lying! You obviously don’t have me as your #1 townread if you trust Jessie more than me. Just to be clear,

the reason why I’m sure you’re scum now is because you’re straight up saying you trust the player’s solve who isn’t your #1 townread over the one you say who is.

[Gloria Cleary]

I have a lot of faith in you

But apparently not in me, who you just fucking called your #1 townread. Pooky is 100% scumclaiming with this. Isis is very likely flipping green.

[Gloria Cleary]

I have a lot of faith in you

But apparently not in me, who you just fucking called your #1 townread. Pooky is 100% scumclaiming with this. Isis is very likely flipping green

.

[Gloria Cleary]

you are my number 1 townread

I just don't trust myself to be right about the game.

I have seen myself be wrong many times.

and I've never seen Jessie be wrong ever.

This is scum.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m going to find every goddamned Pooky post from Death Curse if I have to prove it, if it takes me the entire 6 days.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m going to find every goddamned Pooky post from Death Curse if I have to prove it, if it takes me the entire 6 days.

I think Gloria's reads were whack tbh. Or at least some of the reasoning

her reads were like the same as you and bell

except she was super willing to get the scroll for funzies

thats why I had her locktown ahead of both of you

but flea killed her anyway

Notice how there’s no bullshit hedging or waffling in this post.

He is saying what he’s saying here out of self-preservation only because I caught him and he’s counting on Jessie still being somewhat pocketed.

Because he knows he can’t account on my not nailing him for his fuckery between me and Jessie. Yesterday he was saying he would sheep both me and Jessie today he’s saying I’m #1 townread but he trusts Jessie over me. No freaking way this ever comes from town!Pooky. He takes hard stances as town as you can see in this post.

[Gloria Cleary]

that would not be a good use of your time because I'm town here.

If that is indeed true, then I’m extremely disappointed in you for doubting me.

[Gloria Cleary]

So who is scum then in an Isis town world? If it’s not you?

[Gloria Cleary]

I am not doubting you.

I have never moved you from TR1.

If Isis flips scum then good but in a world where you’re town if she doesn’t you’re going to try to get me mislaunched and we’ll lose.

And you can say that’s not the case but based on everything you’ve said, I’m very clearly being setup by you to be the game losing mislaunch if Isis is town. How are you not seeing that?

[Gloria Cleary]

Why are you assuming Isis is town?

I don’t know anymore but I don’t understand how town!you can have me as your #1 townread and sheep Jessie, because you know obviously she has me as third town - completely understandable from her perspective but not even remotely from yours.

[Gloria Cleary]

I am not setting any1 up Gloria

Alright Pooky, what happens if it isn’t Isis? What then. Walk me through this and if I don’t think you’re full of it, maybe I’ll consider voting her.

[Gloria Cleary]

I mean I could just hammer Isis, I don't really need your vote or to convince you to push that elim right now.

So you can try to get me mislaunched if she’s town. What do I win?

So no, I’m definitely not townreading for that and no one else should either.

[Gloria Cleary]

I am not doubting you.

I have never moved you from TR1.

I am not setting any1 up Gloria

why can't I sheep Jessie?

Look if you’re actually scum here and you’re plan is to kill me, just admit it okay and stop insulting my intelligence. That’s beneath you.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not scum.

I don't have a plan to kill you.

I've never insulted your intelligence.

Every statement above is true.

You are if you have me as your #1 townread and are sheeping Jessie. Why do you think I’m not believing you?

[Gloria Cleary]

I want to know right now. What happens if it isn’t Isis from your pov?

[Gloria Cleary]

I don't understand what you mean.

Stop playing dumb already please, we both know you’re the antithesis of that. You know I probably wouldn’t be so upset if anyone else was doing this to me but this is really hurtful.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm really not playing dumb. I don't understand why you think I wouldn't sheep Jessie here?

I am not doubting you.

I have never moved you from TR1.

I’m not sure if you’re scum or if I even just want you to be scum anymore because I think it would hurt me a lot less if you are. But if you are, I sure hope it’s worth it to you.

[Gloria Cleary]

Like this is from my POV:

let's say we eliminate Isis -> if she flips red -> we win

if she flips green ->

A) Jessie gets nightkilled, she is now conf-town and I sheep her reads because I think they are better than my reads.

B) Jessie doesn't get nightkilled, she probably pushes for me to die and I die.

No,, in an Isis!town world, if Jessie is NK’d and if you’re town and you sheep her reads, we autolose.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m not sure if you’re scum or if I even just want you to be scum anymore because I think it would hurt me a lot less if you are. But if you are, I sure hope it’s worth it to you.

I don't want to hurt you . I'm just explaining my thought process.

You are because if you’re actually town here, how do you not fucking believe me?

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m telling you right now, if Isis flips town and Jessie is the NK and you are actually town here, then and only then it would have to be Ydrasse because I never flip scum here. so if that were to be exactly what happens, doubt it, because it’s almost certainly between you and Isis, my mislaunch and the game loss would then be on your head and If that hopefully extremely unlikely scenario were to occur, I will not be letting you off the hook by blaming our hypothetical loss on Jessie.

[Gloria Cleary]

I do believe you, that's why I said you are my top TR.

I just do not have a lot of faith in myself right now.

If Isis flips town and you sheep Jessie who doesn’t have me as her top townread, we will 100% lose if if you’re town. Duh!

[Gloria Cleary]

I mean you hard TR ydrasse anyway.

so in that scenario I think you and ydrasse just mislaunch me?

Yeah, I never vote out Ydrasse. not after our PT.

[Gloria Cleary]

Like I don't understand why you are so focussed on this hypothetical scenario that probably doesn't happen anyway if Isis is red?

I don’t understand why you keep saying you sheep someone who isn’t your #1 toxnread but whatever. I am so upset with you rn I can’t even think straight.

[Gloria Cleary]

Like I don't understand why you are so focussed on this hypothetical scenario that probably doesn't happen anyway if Isis is red?

I don’t understand why you keep saying you sheep someone who isn’t your #1 toxnread but whatever. I am so upset with you rn I can’t even think straight.

[Gloria Cleary]

I mean you hard TR ydrasse anyway.

so in that scenario I think you and ydrasse just mislaunch me?

Yeah, I never vote out Ydrasse. not after our PT.

ok so why would you be mad at me mislaunching you in a Ydra-red Pooky/Gloria green scenario?

You were never going to vote Ydrasse anyway.

I do believe you, that's why I said you are my top TR.

I just do not have a lot of faith in myself right now.

[Gloria Cleary]

because if Jessie dies at night she becomes conftown.

If Isis flips town and if you’re scum and not heartless, I beg you to kill me instead.

[Gloria Cleary]

i also like trust her reads more than my reads just on a baseline basis.

I do believe you, that's why I said you are my top TR.

I just do not have a lot of faith in myself right now.

No, I don’t believe you don’t know I’m town here and if you’re scum and not Isis, this is really not okay with me that you’re toying with me like this.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not scum Gloria. I don't decide where the nightkill goes.

if Isis flips green and we get to F3 I'm kinda hoping I just get speed-elimed so I don't have to think about the game anymore :/

I don’t want to be you in Micro if that isn’t clear.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not scum Gloria. I don't decide where the nightkill goes.

if Isis flips green and we get to F3 I'm kinda hoping I just get speed-elimed so I don't have to think about the game anymore :/

I don’t want to be you in Micro if that isn’t clear.

I don't want to be me in Micro either.

Right so you know how awful that was, which is why I’d prefer to be NK’d then be forced to go through that.

[Gloria Cleary]

My beliefs about the game.

and my belief that I am right about my beliefs about the game.

are two different things.

I am not "toying with you" I am just honestly stating what I currently believe.

This is why I don’t believe you. For your sake I sincerely hope it is Isis but I think it would actually hurt me a lot less if you’re scum playing with me like this and I still think you are. Fortunately, I think the game probably ends after Isis/you launches because it’s never me and if you were actually town here - based of Death Curse - you wouldn’t be hedgey like this on me in this game. I think as town you would take a strong stand on me like you did in Death Curse.

[Gloria Cleary]

sometimes I feel tremendous doubt about my reads in this game- esp when I get things wrong.

that's not me trying to hurt you, that's just a lack of confidence in myself

Well you are, I’ve been a wreck all day because it really does hurt me. I don’t even care that much if I were mislaunched if it wouldn’t end the game but if you and Isis are both town and I get flipped, it 100% will. If you’re scum here, please don’t do that to me. I’d much rather be NK’d.

So I’m seriously paranoid of us losing the game if it actually is Jessie but I really can’t see that, so probably you or Isis.

Where I’m at, I don’t think scum!Ydrasse says the things she did to me in our PT, so that’s why she’s my most confident read. Jessie follows. With you, I think town!you townlocks me here and Jessie wouldn’t understand all the reasons but you should which is why I’m having real trouble with this whole I’m your top towbread but you’ll sheep Jessie bs.

It’s between you/Isis. I think the game ends after both of your flips. But because I’m so pissed at you, I probably want you to be scum because I think I can handle that better. If you’re town doubting me here, it will crush me.

[Gloria Cleary]

if Isis/Me are both town

then probly we both get mislaunched.

I highly doubt the game state moves to you getting launched.

If you’re town, you’re lack of belief in me might lose us the game if Isis is green. That’s what I’ve been trying to get through to you. If game doesn’t end after Isis flip, If Ydrasse is the NK would you still sheep Jessie on mislaunching me?

[Gloria Cleary]

If you’re town doubting me here, it will crush me.

I'm not doubting you - I'm doubting myself. It's not the same thing.

If you’re actually town. then same difference.

[Gloria Cleary]

Jessie’s probably right and one of the txo of you or Isis is probably trying to paranoia us on each other. I don’t believe all of his waffling and hedging on me here. I just really hope that this is worth it to me because you are seriously messing with my head here regardless whether it is intentional or unintentional. And no, don’t rxpect me to be okay with this. If you’re scum here and you don’t NK me, I will probably hate you for it. I mean that.

[Gloria Cleary]

If you’re town, you’re lack of belief in me might lose us the game if Isis is green. That’s what I’ve been trying to get through to you. If game doesn’t end after Isis flip, If Ydrasse is the NK would you still sheep Jessie on mislaunching me?

you and jessie are both very high on my TR list and I would be really shocked if either of you are scum.

also in that scenario it's pretty likely you both vote me and I die so I probably won't have to put together my shattered brain and try to figure something out.

If both Isis and you are town here, we will lose, you realize that right?

[Gloria Cleary]

townier, but apparently my phone thinks he’s a good soap too

Spoiler:

[Gloria Cleary]

@Isis, come out and play. I wanted you hear what you had to say, so please don’t keep us waiting too long. Thanks.

[Gloria Cleary]

My offwagon reads is Infinity<Gloria<Ydrasse=Jessie

how did flea being a conspirator move me to infinity's slot here

I think whenever I get a 48 hour break I wake up and when to townread the people I toneread town :/

There's some reasons I could state I'd be more proud of, but I think that bit is actually closer to the truth.

Where I’m at @Isis, is me and Ydrasse pretty much have reasons to townread everyone but you. Yes, thank you very much for so enthusiasticly pushing our pairing, it has been extremely fruitful.

So, I’m basically waiting for any last words from you before I most likely make the decision to hammer you unless everyone wants me too. Pooky won’t for obvious reasons, so I’ll probably wait until you are in prod range or sooner if you change my mind but I think it’s highly unlikely that based off of PoE, it isn’t you, sorry. :/

That’s why hammering hypothetical Infinty!scum would have actually been a lot more fun, because it’s obviously a lot less fun to vote out people you actually like and play really well. <3

Hope to hear from you soon, clock is ticking.

[Gloria Cleary]

I've had a bit of RL stuff.

Pooky's play this phase doesn't make lots of sense to me. He usually enjoys reading me more than anyone else, so pulling an "I don't know what's going on this game, I will sheep my townread and hibernate" act seems out of sorts for him. For him I think it would be more likely that he spends a lot of time sorting me, decides I'm scumlock or townlock, then hibernates on sorting the rest of the game (which would not be particularly antitown if he decided on scumlock, but would be a bit antitown if he decided I'm town).

He was more in line with his town meta yesterday when he seemed to care a lot what my alignment is.

I think we probably win if you miselim me and go Pooky tomorrow, but I'm not so sure of that that I'm happy about being on e1.
Don't touch Ydrasse. One of the most townreadable things about Jesse to me was her clearing of Ydrasse. Yd has an accumulation of things pointing to her being town and she's er not masterclass scum anyways, it just shouldn't ever be tinfoiled.
pedit: I like Infinity a lot, but I like Flea even more, I wonder how much that influenced me last phase.
I don't think I could have come up with the refrigerator post if I knew Flea was scum. Faer play has a refreshingness to it.

Speak of the devil! That was fast.

Yeah don’t worry about that, I have no intention of voting out my strongest townread, which is of course Ydrasse. Wrt Infinty, let’s just say I now have very good reasons which I’d rather not discuss, ludicrous deathtunnelling aside and leave it at that. Yes Flea is bae and I’m extremely glad we had this game together after our extemely unfortunately misunderstanding in Death Curse which was almost entirely on me and if I don’t get too lazy a scummy nom may be in faer future.

Well that’s what I’ve been trying to tell you Isis. We talked in our PT last night and we think based off of PoE, it’s likely you, so I think I will probably do that. If game doesn’t end, we will have to revisit and I agree, if you flip green, Pooky is most likely but I honestly don’t expect that to happen.

[Gloria Cleary]

Are you gonna hammer me Gloria?

Based off of PoE, which me and Ydrasse are in sync on, we think it has to be you, because we both townread everyone else more and I don’t expect that to change. Yes, I initially was super paranoid about Pooky and I’m still really upset with him that he doesn’t trust his #1 townread on me but he doesn’t feel like scum!Pooky here and Ydrasse thinks so too. Of course, in the even the game doesn’t end, I will have to re-evaluate but like I said, I don’t really expect that to happen. \_0_/

[Gloria Cleary]

I do enjoy sorting you Isis, but I feel like I've sorted everyone else already and this last part is just downright tragic either way :/.

Yes, it’s no fun to vote out Isis when she’s been an absolute delight and played as well as she has. Probably in a very different kind of setup, she’d probably endgame, so she should be very proud of her play here regardless of flip.

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: Isis

If you’re actually town here, than sorry. I really enjoyed playing with you. <3

*prays game ends*

[Gloria Cleary]

But I think you would always do it with both paws in the swimming pool doing so.

a swimming pool filled with my tears maybe

Yes, we’d all be feeling a lot better about this if it were Infinity but it isn’t.

[Gloria Cleary]

The Town of...

Ydrasse
Infinity 324
Gloria Cleary

Morning Tweet

TheGoldenParadox
PookyTheMagicalBear
team rocket queen
Hopkirk

-have won!

What? come again? Tweetie wasn’t town. ??????

[Gloria Cleary]

Gg, agree with other people’s comments regarding the setup. Though I did think it was a cool idea, and it was a lot of fun on d2 to solve with all the info dumped onto us. Thanks for modding!

Gloria gets a promised and well-deserved apology for my tunnel on her. With tweet and skitter flipping scum, and my d1 hoopla scumread in pyp turning out to be correct, I really didn’t want to doubt myself again. I’m sorry that it made the game less fun for you, I know how it feels to get deathtunneled and it sucks.

Isis I meant what I said about being happy that you’re scum because your d1 posts were so well-written! I might just go back and read your ISO again to get some inspiration for my scumgame or something.

In general, this playerlist was a ton of fun to play with and I’d love to play with any of you again!

So it wasn’t you who did that to me then? My apologies for what I said about you post-game in that case. I just auto assumed based on the timing. Next time I’ll ask. Sorry.

I sincerely appreciate this and thank you. I also want to apologize for losing it on you. I could have kept that down but when I thought Flea had conceded and then you did it to me again, I just couldn’t.

[Gloria Cleary]

Also agreed! Pl was fantastic! And so was town!

I’m amazed we won despite you being on the dark side this game.

[Gloria Cleary]

Morning was so obvtown as scum I got confused....

I'll give (expired on 2020-12-23 20:37:11) for redactions

Except post Hopkirk vote but agree.

[Gloria Cleary]

No redaction in our dance PT. Ydrasse was a wonderful partner. She has a definite future waiting for her in Dancing with the Stars. <3

@Pooky, I still <3 you, sorry this game majorly stressed me out but love the theme etc. what Skitter said. Sorry TGP. :/

Thanks for modding @Hectic. Btw, sign me up if you ever decide to run Death Curse 2.

[Gloria Cleary]

Did you think I was an alt of someone?

I’ll PM you.

[Gloria Cleary]

Yep sorry hopkirk <3
I felt super bad for pushing you, and i think theres like multiple pages on the scum pt with all of us saying the same thing

You were spot on and super townie, and in a normal game you never get limmed there

yeah... getting voted there just sort of made me lose all faith in my ability as a player if its possible for me to get voted at that point after that day... until hectic asked me who i thought the 6 scum were.

You really shouldn’t, you were for all intents and purposes town mvp, because you correctly nailed 5/6 scum and rightfully I believe deserve a scummie for that.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Infinity, I want to apologize to you again for getting so extremely frustrated with you. Some mystery person - I have no idea who - decided to unethically exploit our battling during the game and that’s 100% on them and their concience. Anyway, in my defense I really just felt really helpless that nothing I said or did mattered to you until post-game.

I really appreciate what you said though. I just felt my earlier apology to you wasn’t sufficient.

I mean how can I possibly not like the person who created one of the awesomest role pms for me ever? <3