Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

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don't really see the downside to waiting.
esp since we literally waited for your case 4-5 days

But I'll be V/LA on the weekend I want to see her flip, feel great and not play mafia during the weekend and come back on monday

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If SB has a confirmable clearing role, then unfortunately the day will have to continue.

If said clearing role is a "I need one night to be confirmed" I'm not buying it. After that comes the "scum has a roleblocker and they're setting me up". If she wants to buy time, we're not selling it.

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(3) people might say things like PB just did that will help her decide what kinds of claims would or would not be believable.

Oh do I have to point out every role that would not make her claim believable? Let me go to the Wiki.

If she's so sure she's not dying, the only roleclaim I expect is the mod telling us she's an IC.

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I think I'm falling into my usual bullshit of wanting to play it safe q_q
I'll get my ISOdives in tomorrow morning.

Think people should consider what Jingle said and try not to explode the thread too much more than it already has if you're not saying something that's adding to the thread.

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Here's one

This is really cute. I concur

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Well if we're going in this rabbit hole of preflip associations...

I think Noraa's interactions with SB are damning

???????

Your reaction to Spring Breeze's townread on you felt forced, like you wanted to distance from your partner who was making a bad call.

How about you prove me wrong by voting Spring Breeze right now!!

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Your avatar matches better your personality now.

I'm matching mine with the urgency of the situation

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why is town reading me a bad call if I was scum?

It's not townreading you, it's the way she did it.

I generally win all my scum games where I don't get bussed early. Why would TRing me on day 1 be a bad thing in any way?

I don't know anything about your meta and I won't rely on it towards my read on you since you've explicitly said you're trying to change your playstyle in this game, so this doesn't apply.

The only thing that I dislike about kanna is the fact that she TRs me. Aside from that, nothing that she has said has really pinged me any way.

Have you read the last 20 pages?

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I enjoy this

I'm glad. You deserve to have fun

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I don't know anything about your meta and I won't rely on it towards my read on you since you've explicitly said you're trying to change your playstyle in this game, so this doesn't apply.

its not exactly play style when we're just talking win rate.

And then again, I don't know anything about your winrate, so my point still stands

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Maybe we can look for something as adorable as that

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Wait this will look better

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Both. I can read you better if your avatar matches how I want to read you

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Your input is always welcomed, Morning!! Even more if it comes along with a vote

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I'm getting my wisdom teeth out today so don't expect much coherent content

We demand sedated!Cakez posting

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Jingle you're waiting for something that's not going to come. Vote SB

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has nobody poked at the weird bit spring had about maria and spf before now btw?

Both SPF and me.

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Both SPF and me.

this is a separate thing from sheeping maria things
its that spring susses spf's maria townread, but then agrees with it
and then later says that the reasoning for the maria townread was not good which makes her agreeing with it weird?

unless I'm misreading that interaction.

Both SPF and me.

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VOTE: jingle

p-edit: i understand that. but i'm still not understanding your original point? broken down, maria just says "everyone vote zaiden," some people do, and then she comes back and says "ok i can do jingle too" i'm not sure that's really indicative of anything and i certainly don't think scum can't do this?

my teammate petapan pointed out that there is a slight dissonance to spring breeze arguing with me that maria shouldn't be townread while simultaneously sheeping maria's vote on jingle, and i agree

in fairness, spring breeze did out concerns about jingle that were separate from maria's suspicions. however, i find it worrisome that maria gunning for one of SB's top scumreads did not seem to impact how SB was reading or perceiving maria

And one last thing that I couldn't categorize with something funny: SpringBreeze's concerns about Maria being so easily townread while joining Maria on Jingle's wagon amuses me.

And I wanted to make a sequel on the pocketing thing called

Pocketing 2: Electric Bogaloo

explaining how Spring's timing on her townread on Noraa was an attempt of pocketing her, like the same way you call Nancy town to get her townread and defend you

Or isn't this the same point?

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Oh you're talking about the read on Maria specifically. Ok it's kind of related but not the same. I don't know what to take out of that; there are worse inconsistencies in her reads' progressions, Zaiden's being the worst of all

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don't think it's the same point?

you're saying that spring jumping on a wagon that maria is on while scumreading maria is weird.
I'm saying that spring agreeing with spf's assessment on maria while also calling spf's reasoning scummy and bad later is weird.

Yeh yeh got it. You're welcome to join the wagon and take credit for it. I've counted and we already got 10 people to ask SB politely to leave, so she can't hold the game as hostage and will either have to claim as soon as she posts or just die and let us continue with the game.

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Jingle why do you hate so much, why

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Anyways we don't need to end day early and I want to town case kanna. Everyone should probs look elsewhere for a bit. I mean we got a claim and all. No need to rush the day.

This is exactly why Noraa is scum with Spring

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yeah well idk, long days are often better for scum

No short days are better for scum.

This is false

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compulsive fruit vendor selling dixie red peaches

Stop this wagon asap. I'm 99% sure this claim is real.

I agree but fruit vendor can 100% be a mafia role

And most likely, Spring is claiming one of her partner's role. She wanted to fakeclaim something strong and they probably told her that the best shot to save herself was claiming something weak and showing herself like she accepts her destiny. Don't fall for this, we got our claim, now get read of her. She softclaimed a PR. She's lying.

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Ok let's just flip Kanna I think it's fine.
If Cake is scum and she is town he will still be here tomorrow.
Sorry Noraa, but let's prevent this from becoming a huge mess of a D1 like Death Curse and flip the maybe scum early. Would have saved us a ton of effort in Death Curse too.

And worst case scenario we're flipping a VT. Anyone wanting to derail this shit is scum

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Noraa if you could go into more detail about how you see kanna's play as similar to yours that would help me see your point better? I want to know what about kanna's playstyle or the circumstances of this game make you feel like she's in a similar position to you.

Softed a strong pr to bait nk when she was starting to get into a tough position. Hesitates when claiming the real thing which is actually super weak. Isn't that exactly what I did?

She was not "starting to get in a tough position", she was practically doomed and desperate

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Anyone wanting to derail this shit is scum

I, uh, I hate to break it to you, but there are too many people doing it for that to be the case.

I only see Noraa doing it

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I'm going V/LA until monday, I'll try to keep up and post whenever I can but with Noraa flooding the thread with posts like "xD" and "wtf" I hope we just get the elimination and take a break

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Scummy slots avoiding the wagon have been avoiding the game entirely so your point is useless. I actually got Gamma to join the wagon

We need one more vote to take a break from this game for the weekend, BE THE HERO WE NEED

p-edit JAKE VOTE

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Kanna is absolutely fake claiming, claiming only part of her role or claiming a partner's role. Sue me

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Because of the PR soft claim. Town doesn't do that shit even if Noraa thinks that she can project her own extravagant way of playing to other players

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JAKE MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL AND PUT THIS TO AN END

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VOTE: Pinkball

reasons will come later.

Are you for real?

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Shut up Noraa I'm reading

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I'm going to sleep and hope that this is a bad joke. I'm in a good mood 'cause tomorrow I start a two week vacations after a year and a half

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unless ... reading up those 2 pages really did take a long time. I guess they are absolutely content packed tho so that's understandable

I'm phoneposting. Noraa, keep this fucking tone with me and you'll regret it

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What do you want, you got my attention

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unless ... reading up those 2 pages really did take a long time. I guess they are absolutely content packed tho so that's understandable

I'm phoneposting. Noraa, keep this fucking tone with me and you'll regret it

am I scum pinkball?

I don't know, you're not my priority today and I think you can be solved by other means. Means that would make you basically conftown from my point of view

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I read one ISO in particular that caught my attention last day and I think I have my second correct scumread. It's not you, and if I'm right, you're town

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I don't know, you're not my priority today and I think you can be solved by other means. Means that would make you basically conftown from my point of view

oh is that so? yesterday you were oh SO confident I was scum with wanna
and now that my scum buddy flipped scum, that read just went poofity poof ?

There was someone going under the radar that makes much more sense than you

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May I go to sleep now?

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If you're going to post 250 posts and make everyone lose our time, plesse tell me in advance so I get to solve the game.

Pedit I actually don't thank god. Fridays are shorter.

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By the way

@Jingle, hmu with some mech stuff. I have my own theories with all the peaches I recieved.

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@noraa I see someone very handsome trying to not let you derail a scum wagon with rethorics.

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By the way

@Jingle, hmu with some mech stuff. I have my own theories with all the peaches I recieved.

This game is loaded with peach vendors.

You don't say

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You don't say

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Interesting that Pink Ball received a lot of peaches. I would have thought him to be a prime NK target.

The scum that flipped suggests there's a doctor or some role that stop kills. They went the safe way and went for the second most obvious scumkill which is great in a game where there's probably a watcher that, if competent enough, targeted SPF and not me

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nah the most obvious besides murder is me.

Murder was the third alternative after me and SPF, and I thought the scumteam would've been competent enough to go for him

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Interesting that Pink Ball received a lot of peaches. I would have thought him to be a prime NK target.

The scum that flipped suggests there's a doctor or some role that stop kills. They went the safe way and went for the second most obvious scumkill which is great in a game where there's probably a watcher that, if competent enough, targeted SPF and not me

Vote with me? <3

Could happen

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Btw if you think any wolf team with me on it allows SPF to be a nk I'm offended

I'm not exactly townreading you after EoD, but yeah, that's not a kill Id expect coming from you

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Pink Ball, what makes you think there is a watcher?

Btw if you think any wolf team with me on it allows SPF to be a nk I'm offended

What do you mean by this?

Everyone's a compulsive fruit vendor

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do I get 4th place for people that would get nightkilled or was my play really that shit d1 q_q

No, you were townie enough. If your reads are bad I'd have killed you, but I don't have an impression on your reads

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Btw if you think any wolf team with me on it allows SPF to be a nk I'm offended

I'm not exactly townreading you after EoD, but yeah, that's not a kill Id expect coming from you

What exactly was wrong with my day end?

I was expecting you to join the wagon earlier, that's all

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nah the most obvious besides murder is me.

I could see them having left you alive to continue tunneling on me. SPF was likely shot as a protection dodge, though, that is true.

We presumably have at least 6 fruit vendors remaining. Unless we have FV saturation, there's a large likelihood that there is 0-1 more scum who can vend fruits. The fruits have individual flavors, and thus cannot be successfully counterclaimed, and there's a decent chance given SB's death flavor that the scum FVs don't actually send peaches. Hence, potentially broken by flavor.

MWB is locktown, imo, btw.

Heya

Do you think people should claim who they sent fruit to, but no flavor? Or visceversa?

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I have a problem, you don't have to remind me

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I received 5

Very popular

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All different and specified. All peaches

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If you guys don't start treating me like the IC I am right now I don't even know what's up with you. The level of paranoia you guys are having is not townie, is not "hey I have to consider ALL alternatives because I don't have all the information!", it's plain stupidity. My case is not scum bussing other scum; I DESTROYED SB. Absolutely demolished her. And I gave her enough space to feel comfortable and give us hints on who her teammates are.

Murdersunny, step up dude. Yes, scum probably voted SB. Do you think the best approach to this day is to look at 10 players? From my perspective, all votes after mine are absolutely NAI because SB would never come back from the case I made; as I already said, I destroyed SB. Read SB's ISO again and you'll get a far better and narrowed down playerlist to focus on.

That is all. Stop fucking around.

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And by the way, FYI: as I got SB eliminated, I'll get who I want eliminated today too, so don't sweat it too much with your votes, 'cause you're all going to follow me again.

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Actually something struck me as really strange. If scum wanted to bus, why bus their strongman? Surely it would make more sense to bus a goon or something?

That's what makes me think it probably isn't Pink Ball. And that scum only followed onto the bus once Pink Ball's case made Spring Breeze's elimination seem inevitable.

Tell me why town would think I, specifically am scum with Kanna yesterday.
Like if its the "defenders are all scum" mindset then the scum team should be me/pooky/kanna

but no.
I specifically am scum with Kanna.

I didn't think much of this yesterday because I thought kanna was town so I figured Pinkball was just confused town or something. But once Kanna flipped scum, I couldn't shake off the feeling that I was getting linked to a scum buddy.

The thing is that I kept making it sound all scary today because I wanted to see what Pinkball would say to it. Because if he was ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that I was scum with Kanna yesterday, he would continue his case there because Kanna flipped scum and he has no reason to do anything else here. But he backs out of it and says he has a secret SR that he never reveals. This doesn't feel like a townie mindset at all.

He was way too confident in Kanna scum to be town also. Way too confident. I feel like he probably didn't realize it would pile up that fast and once it started piling up, kanna was doomed so there wasn't much of a point to move off and look like a scumbutt at that point.

Fuck off Noraa, you came saying I was scum BEFORE I said I was no longer going to push you.

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if this is the case then it's not really convincing.
you can replace pink ball as scumhunter god postgame if you're right but I'm not sheeping you based on that.

which is irrelevant because I'm unfortunately legally bound to vote whoever pink ball tells me I need to be voting because it's apparently his game now.

p-edit: ya I think you may be on to something with the pink ball townread idk just call it a hunch.

Wear my shoes like two seconds and tell me you wouldn't get snarky with what's going on.

I'm not even asking to be congratulated and told I'm a god, not even a pat in the back. But getting paranoid about me is just plain stupid dude.

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Noraa is going back to her motto "confident is for the dumb or the informed" 'cause she doesn't understand what happened on D1

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@Zaiden don't use the r word dude

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ignore noraa and play the game as per usual then?
happy to sheep you if I like your case or think it's on someone who's mafia anyways but telling people that they have no agency in this game anymore is something I really don't like.

Tell me the secret to ignoring a hyperposter and I'll be eternally grateful.

Also, as I said, wear my shoes two seconds. I'm angry, let me be angry.

you can even hire me to be your lawyer and I can defend you against Noraa.
my rates are pretty good.

Tell me more about your rates.

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@Zaiden don't use the r word dude

Apologies. I forget that the r word is seen as a lot more offensive in the USA. It's less offensive than the f word in the UK. I'll bear that in mind going forwards.

No worries. I'm from Chile by the way

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Noraa, you were the main antagonist of what my goal was. Learn about rethorics and discrediting and come back after that

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not really. it seemed like pink ball was scumreading you in the heat of the moment and then re-assessed with more space.

If it weren't for the fact that murder and morning strongly TR me, that one tiny SR at that moment could get me fucking killed today.

Are you being pushed by anyone right now? Is this all about you being survivalist???

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Noraa, you were the main antagonist of what my goal was. Learn about rethorics and discrediting and come back after that

Hey. Stop being rude to me. I'm not even talking to you. Please refrain from saying snarky things to me.

How was your tone directed to me yesterday?

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Noraa, if you want to start this day over and we both stop being a dick to each other, I'll be glad. Scumreading all you want, but have some respect and I'll respect you back.

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Noraa, if you want to start this day over and we both stop being a dick to each other, I'll be glad. Scumreading all you want, but have some respect and I'll respect you back.

I haven't even talked to you a single time this morning. It's just been you being a dick to me.

You were being a dick to me yesterday night.

I repeat. If you want to start over and we both stop being a dick to each other, I'll be glad.

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Noraa

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Third's time the charm.

Sorry for my tone, you got me exasperated yesterday night with the consecutive posts, being snarky towards me and telling me three times to go to sleep. But that's no excuse to treat you bad. Can we start over, please?

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Noraa / Pinkball
Cheetory / Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto

This is a pretty solid starting point imo.

Pooky and Gypyx and you got 9 out 16 alive players that are all probably town

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Oh Cakez wasn't included in that list, that's great news! 10 out of 16 town

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Clidd was on ABR's team, I would have repped out too.

Also, don't talk about replacements to get reads. Bad taste.

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Votes on Gypyx make me sad. Even sadder because it's town pushing the wagon

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That's a good vote. Not great, but good

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Going from a Day 1 TR to a global SR? Wow it's almost like how all my town games go these days when I'm already out of my wolfrange *shrug* Cya after work

I'm not scumreading you and that should be a big deal for you!

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pink ball can your secret read please be jake please please please
please
please
please please?
please
plsplspls
please?
plrety plrste/?

It's not, but I don't want to disappoint you 'cause you're adorable

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I'd get into more detail on how the idea of range is a pretty weird topic to begin with but that's not the point. Mena wants to elim Norra because the push on PB is just...really bad.

I don't think I wanna follow that line but he wants PB to know

Tell Mena that we had the same discussion with Auro and xtoxm

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Oh ok Maria is town, thanks it's nice to have that read again.

How are you feeling? Did you get enough rest?

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Morning Tweet, PrivateI, Something_Smart. I'd love to solve them somehow

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Also from Mena; Norraa is acting the same way they did in Xeno blade as a wolf.

Mena wasn't even in Xeno......

yeah that read strikes me as high-key bullshit

Why?

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Huh

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Are... are you town?

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Fine by me. You're cooperating, that's enough

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Fine by me. You're cooperating, that's enough

Woah, so this has turned into follow the leader?

He voted for Spring when I asked him, if he's town he's doing his job

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By the way, it is interesting that SB forgot Gamma, PrivateI, and me from her readslist.
I wonder if we are all town because I feel like scum typically would give some form of read about their buddy. I get that Gamma and PrivateI were pretty low presence, but I don't think you forget your scumbuddy exists. I suppose it could be a way to gain cred post flip, but Spring probably wasn't even being bussed that heavily so why bother.
It's also worth noting that Spring Breeze then remembered she forgot Gamma, PrivateI (which looks good for me). This might nullify what I just said.
pedit: lol I was shading Pink Ball for seemingly townreading people who do what he wants
ppedit: I gueses.

About the pedit: believe me, that's the opposite of how I feel. I'm more inclined to scumread someone pandering me. I'm not townreading Gamma, but his reply about Mena was good, and had nothing to do about me.

About Spring forgetting people: you caught a nice piece of info but with the wrong conclusion. Tell what you, Gamma and PI have in common

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@Pink Ball That's good to hear. As for your second part, I guess we have been mostly forgettable? Idk

@Gamma I think mena might have been spectating that game.

Do you feel like you have been as forgettable as PI?

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Midway, this is a confirmed scum throwing a readlist. This was absolutely calculated. She didn't forget about any of you.

Given this, what's your conclusion?

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if it was just meant as bait I'd feel like it's probably NAI, or at least too drenched with wine to be worth reading into

It's WIFOM if you don't analyze the names.

Spring either wants to avoid spewing town on someone who could be a future elimination, or wants to avoid spewing scum on a partner. That's the WIFOMy part.

But out of the three names, the only one that stands out to me is Private. Because Private makes sense as someone you could forget to add to a readlist. If you're town, of course. But if you're scum, you're self aware that maybe someone could come back and say 'hey, Spring forgot about Private, that's weird right?", so you throw a couple of random ass names so it looks like NAI/WIFOM and success, you avoid spewing your LHF, less than 10 posts partner and don't have to commit to another two players. Win win.

If you're town and forget about PI alone or with 2 other players that's fine. I could believe it. If you're scum and PI is town, you don't care not giving a read on him. It would still be believable. But being scum and forgetting about 3 players? You're either all town, or PI is scum, and I'm inclined to the latter

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Remember the context, my dudes. Spring is desperate 'cause she knows a hurricane is coming. She doesn't just forgets reads. She's forging them. She needs insights. But taking a stance on PI is so hard that she had to avoid it

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So do you concur, mister Gypyx?

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That sounds like a 95% of agreement and it's more than enough

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Ok my beautiful people, we'll be having a town council soon! I have succesfully solved the game, and I have faith in our beloved protective role to be on me and give me the chance to live enough to push with you the wagons we'll have to push, but in case I can't do that, I'll need some reliable members of our community to listen what I have to say, 'cause even if this game is already solved, it's not close to a conclusion. That, because the apricot motherfuckers will certainly bite back, and you'll have to be strong as hell. But I believe in you guys!!

For our first town council, as the president I'm happy to announce the members of the board: Jingle, SirCakez and Cheetory. They'll be the ones to veil for your interests, all you have to do is help them not to lose focus on our mission and vision as the peach community.

MariaR, Gypyx and midwaybear, as managers, your mission is to make things happen. Get the wagons consolidate and crush the competition with, forgive the redudancy, competence. Be fearless, for the night is dark and full of terrors.

For now, the rest of the community members are sensitive and private information, but as soon as we get the first meeting started, we're going to get into that.

If you're a member of the board, hit me up. We need to talk.

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Yeah I mean I hate to say it but PB is kinda... holding the game hostage

Just started pushing Private, you can follow that line or begin your own line of thought. I encourage you doing that actually, since I'm pretty sure you hit the jackpot

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Two peaches per night

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Bahahahahahahahaha ok Cheet

VOTE: PrivateI

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Just started pushing Private, you can follow that line or begin your own line of thought. I encourage you doing that actually, since I'm pretty sure you hit the jackpot

Sorry, I got the impression that you were going to do something big soon. Was that not accurate?

'Soon' is a powerful and relative word

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I'm playing to have fun.

Are you having fun tho? Doesn't seem like it

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Constantly potential D1 counterwagon, town by play on its own by early moving the game towards a smooth solving status

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I can see the former, although I'm not sold the pushes on Cakez have been made by scum. Examples on the latter would be useful.

I'll try to make a towncase for you.

Now about fruit, should we claim who we targeted then?

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nah don't claim that

we surely got some PR's we want to hide

I don't get it, what does the fruit have to do with the fruit?

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And of course I meant to say PRs at the end

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can think of a few scenarios that massclaiming peach-stuff D2 might be premature.
like say, what if the roles that don't send peaches are PRs?

Oh I assumed everyone sends peaches, even PRs, because of Kanna's flip

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can think of a few scenarios that massclaiming peach-stuff D2 might be premature.
like say, what if the roles that don't send peaches are PRs?

Oh I assumed everyone sends peaches, even PRs, because of Kanna's flip

pretty sure that nope

or at least that's the kind of stuff i'm not gonna risk

pedit : good point, doubt that SPF received like, 8 peaches?

Not everyone has claimed how many peaches they got and scum could lie about it

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If you're a PR just lie about sending a fruit to someone you trust or something idk

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Zero reasoning for PI too. Exactly the same

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Shirou is a sweetheart as always

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How about joining the PrivateI wagon since you're scumreading him and there's already some traction there

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Danke

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You want to join the wagon, Noraa? You're welcome to do it

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I think it's kinda funny that you ask if Private was hammered when there's a votecount on the same page of the post you just quoted

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Is Private hammered yet?

we're at like exe-3

pedit : calm down dog guy, let the blue boi post

If we can put PI on politely ask him to leave -2 we will save a lot of time!

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That's why it has to be -2 and not -1! We'll leave you the hammer, but not yet

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sounds good to me, just take a chill after that one pls

I have to do enough damage and impact in case I die

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I read one ISO in particular that caught my attention last day and I think I have my second correct scumread. It's not you, and if I'm right, you're town

So wait. This was referring to PrivateI?

Nope

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@Jingle, FL is not reading this game.

You're free to eliminate Jake if my solve is wrong; he's part of my "whoops" solve

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Nope

Who was it referring to?

Morning Tweet, but I changed my mind

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They're both town, Jingle

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I know, but you'll have to at least give me the elimination I want for D3, no questions asked, if I'm right today. I chose you as member of the board 'cause you changed my mind about Morning. Work with me even if I die

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Zaiden, Pink Ball
noraa, midwaybear, Cheetory6
Morning Tweet
MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear, MariaR
Gypyx
Something_Smart, SirCakez
PrivateI, Gamma Emerald
Jake The Wolfie

I'm roughly here. Assuming you're right on PI and your D3 elim isn't dumb, sure.

You will dislike it, but you'll have to give it to me for giving you two scums

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I am paranoid about everyone agreeing on the same pool

I don't agree with it

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I want Monty. I want two others I'll talk about later

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My two favorite players posting back to back!

p-edit come one Cakez why you do this

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Emperor god king

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also s_s was a townlean going into D2 but I would put him closer to null and am fine with the idea of him not touching endgame if he hasn't obvtowned.
his vote on spring breeze was like.. the optically most efficient for scum to have, which is probably a useless thought, but a thought that I have nonetheless had and it's now out there for everyone to read and there's nothing I can do about it at this point sorry.

Spring's wagon was all town!

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Gypyx I see you're very grateful

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My two favorite players posting back to back!

Ouch. Right in the feels. I knew our marriage was a lie.

They're my favorite players in this particular game; you're my favorite over all even if you're my personal pain in the ass

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UNVOTE: PrivateI

Since there are two scum off wagon and it would take one more vote for a quick hammer. I'll do my case tomorrow 'cause I'm drunk right now.

Is someone in here that wants to shitpost befre I pass out??

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Tomorrow I'll explain to you why PI's flip changes everything from my perspective! I could go for vanity first but that would be abusive from my part

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Can we force Monty to give content before we dissolve the wagon please

We're not dissolving it, he's dying today!! Yayyy

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Wait no, we're asking politely to leave. This is a happy community

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You're getting it today Cheet!!

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Don't worry Noraa you won't have to deal with me at all

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Scum doesn't care about you as much as they care about me

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Private will flip scum and the scumteam will still try to win the game, since at this point there are at least 4 players who are looking worse than the remaining scum, and that could be enough to get traction and win the game

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Jingle is right and wrong at the same time tho

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UNVOTE:

Now we wait for PB case?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You guys are making this game too damn easy

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You guys are making this game too damn easy

I not convinced murder is scum tbh.

What made you think I was saying that Murder is scum in that post? I've only talked about Private this day

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Ok hold on I'll get my computer and start writing. I've been phoneposting during D2 and you deserve my solve

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You guys are making this game too damn easy

I not convinced murder is scum tbh.

What made you think I was saying that Murder is scum in that post? I've only talked about Private this day

uh its fairly obvious?

xD

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Are you actually SRing me?

I don't see where I suggested this

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I disagree. I said that it was funny how easy this game is, Noraa said "I'm not scumreading Murder tho", I asked her where did I imply I was talking about you, she said it was obvious. You're taking me out of context

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PB is clearly talking about the reactions to me trying to provide a real chance for a PI cw, which he's been waiting for me to do for quite some time unless I missed my mark.

He thinks it's very possible I'm scum.

And, no, his Murder TR is genuine.

You're my biggest townread my boy.

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Ok Jingle, enough with interpreting my thoughts and prayers. I need a minute

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UNVOTE:

Now we wait for PB case?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This made it look like you thought the solve was Murder/Private.

Well, it's the second time Murder unvotes for scum and tries to get another town wagon going instead. Yes, I am scumreading Murder, and I am scumreading you too. My solve is PrivateI, Murder and Noraa.

I am a watcher. I saw PrivateI, Something_Smart and MorningTweet visiting SPF. Before this information, I was pretty sure that MorningTweet was scum because during D1, it looked like she was trying to pump up Spring's content, and after I got the results, I was locked in. But Jingle's towncase on Morning made me reevaluate her and think "well, if Morning is town, who killed SPF?".

The scumteam is doing a strategy where they use a liability to get at least two players as townread as possible. Those town are Noraa and Murder. Both SpringBreeze and PrivateI have Noraa and Murder as town, like really really town, 'cause they know that town will get paranoid about the middle tier of these so called readlists they have made before getting eliminated.

But before that.

Let's start from the last thing that has happened: PrivateI claiming he sent fruit to spf and saying "I know this doesn't look good on me". At this point, the scumteam is well aware that my push on PrivateI could be informed. That phrase right there is saying "hey in case someone tracked me, this is why". Why is SS so comfy posting and pushing and playing the game if he sent his fruit to SPF too? He doesn't feel guilty 'cause he's not. Monty IS guilty and feels observed. He needs to take that out of his system.

Now, about SpringBreeze "forgetting" about Private: I'm pretty sure Private will flip plain goon. Not only because he was sent to make the nightkill in case he gets caught, but because the forgetting, as I pointed out before, was absolutely on purpose. And trying to pin it on other "forgettable" players is just to not make it that obvious. The scumteam wanted to set this up in case Spring goes down. They don't care about Private dying, 'cause he's the goon, and there are plenty of players that will die before they get eliminated. Or so they think!

If gamma is scum drawing a bait from scum SB, great let's do it.
If SB has a confirmable clearing role, then unfortunately the day will have to continue.

First attempt to derail SB's wagon

UNVOTE:

I'd like time to evaluate this.

Unvotes after a painfully obvious attempt from scum trying to survive

the role could be a genuine scum-role but yeah idk I kind of want to vote Cakez again D:

I'm down to wagon cake

Second attempt to derail SB's wagon

Wait why did we wagon obv town while I was gone hello idk not my problem will try to read Tonight if I’m up for it

We could flip this you know

Third attempt to derail SB's wagon

Or at least not anywhere close to lim numbers, but if we aren't willing to do that then what's the point.

Scum bussed by the way, willing to accept evidence it was pink ball.

And PrivateI, Murder and Noraa (who I'll be talking about later) were all outside SB's wagon.

Murder, unfortunately for you, I have solid PoE. I wasn't even looking at you, I thought your tone was townie enough to be unnoticed. But Scum didn't send two scum members to go after SPF 'cause they were trying to avoid a possible tracker or watcher. That means Something Smart and MorningTweet are town.

Cakez is obvtown, as was spewed town by Spring. Maria was slightly spewed too when Spring freaked out about her getting easily townread. Spring's read progression on Zaiden makes Zaiden obvtown too. Jingle is town by play and because of Spring joining his wagon. Pooky's Spring defense actually looked townie on him. Cheetory bleeds town.

That leaves Gypyx, Jake, Gamma, Noraa and you. Personally I think Gypyx is pushing on the right direction, so he's townier than you without even reading you.

So who's the scumteam? PrivateI, Jake and Gamma? Hahahahaha no, sorry, that's not it. Because the scumteam think they can control the game after PrivateI dies. Because, before SS started pushing Murder, both Murder and Noraa were on top of everyone's readlists.

And why is Noraa scum? Because she has been playing dumb the entire game. Remember? Confidence is for the dumb or the informed. Well, that's Noraa calling herself dumb, and she has stuck with that the entire game. She calls scum whoever calls her scum; she starts this day calling me scum when that would be something only a really stupid town would think; she starts this day saying that she thought that the one who started Spring's wagon was Murder, not me; she asks if Private was already hammered when she quoted a post that was on the same page of the last votecount; and the list goes on.

But most importantly, the weird interactions with Spring. Forced, to say the least. Noraa unsuccessfully try to avoid her partners, except for Murder, 'cause they've been planning this all along, calling themselves the towniest of them all between them.

Murdercat is locktown and anyone that says otherwise is very dumb/scum.

But also if private flips scum, scum might as well just concede at that point

You see the contrast? Private WILL flip town, and Noraa thinks that town is stupid enough to think "yeah, no way scum!Noraa says something like this!". And the post before that is Noraa saying that if Private flips scum, she stops scumreading me. This reminds of the time when Spring tried to pretend reevaluating 'cause reevaluating is something only town can do, since the scum is informed. But wait, Noraa is dumb, not scum! Or is she?

Too long, didn't read? I saw SS, MorningTweet and PrivateI visiting SPF last night. Eliminate PrivateI; if scum, eliminate Murder; if scum, eliminate Noraa, NO QUESTIONS ASKED (she will clog the thread, don't let her, don't give her a platform to defend herself, just vote her on your first vote at daystart). If Private is scum and Murder is town, solve the game you lazy bums (watch out for the lurkers now). If PrivateI is town, eliminate MorningTweet; if scum, good job and good luck solving the game; if town, SS is confirmed scum and again, good luck solving the game.

Pink Ball out.

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Oh and when I said that voting anyone else than Private today would be a vanity read? Well that's because even if the scumteam wants to get rid of Private today because he's the goon, that's what we're going to do just in case Private is town and we have to eliminate MorningTweet instead. Private's elimination gives all the info we need to solve this game, 'cause it's either already solved, or at least we got a difficult scum pinged (MorningTweet or SS)

VOTE: PrivateI

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Sigh PB what about all the posts where I am pushing SB? You've left all those out.

You mean that one post after my case where you said "hey for the record I was scumreading SB too because of infinity"? And then voted her but unvoted her in a pretty coordinated way?

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If I'm wrong, Murder... Which could be, of course... I think you could agree that your behavior on both scum wagons has been erratic, and that you should never endgame. We concur?

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Yes, I am scumreading Murder, and I am scumreading you too. My solve is PrivateI, Murder and Noraa.

ew but it is unfortunate that I believe this watcher claim so you are most probably town.

Have a good night sorting out if I should be the nightkill without your unstoppable kill partner. I think the doctor has two shots and they'll be on me, but good luck nevertheless!

Oh and if you have a roleblocker, I suggest trying to roleblock said doctor and kill me instead of roleblocking me, 'cause no matter what I see tonight, I'm going after Murder and you.

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What tf do you think I'm doing trying to get myself NK'd arguing against the votes on me?

I wanted you to die on N1 but you didn't. I almost watched you, you know? I trusted you on D1.

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Noraa, discredit me all you want. I have pointed out already that only a few players in this game know how to effectively do this, and you aren't one of them.

For the sake of this game, I will not interact with you anymore, 'cause all you're going to do is clog the game with unuseful posts.

I think it's funny that you both read a watcher claiming a soft guilty and haven't voted, but meh, what do I know.

p-edit maybe it's already too late and Noraa wil clog the thread anyway. Good luck everyone!

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Oh and when I said that voting anyone else than Private today would be a vanity read? Well that's because even if the scumteam wants to get rid of Private today because he's the goon, that's what we're going to do just in case Private is town and we have to eliminate MorningTweet instead. Private's elimination gives all the info we need to solve this game, 'cause it's either already solved, or at least we got a difficult scum pinged (MorningTweet or SS)

VOTE: PrivateI

I do have a vibe that SS could be scum
but I'm trying to have some of my team check me on that because I feel like the vibe is similar to Tenet where I wrongly SRed SS

Could be. That will be known if Private flips town. And Morning.

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What tf do you think I'm doing trying to get myself NK'd arguing against the votes on me?

I wanted you to die on N1 but you didn't. I almost watched you, you know? I trusted you on D1.

So wtf did you just endgame me for

If you want to flip monty here then fine but don't been surprised when all 3 of us are town and MT is the scum.

I already said that if Monty flips town, MorningTweet is the next elimination and that the game is not solved.

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why did you let Noraa into the townblock earlier today PB if you're SRing Noraa like this rn

To avoid Noraa clogging the thread like she's doing right now?

I read some games with Noraa in them 'cause I thought it was funny how every nomination she got on the scummies talked about her postcount like if that had something to do with how much effort you put in a game.

Turns out that she just clogs threads. I needed to give some space to see to consolidate my solve and now I don't have to deal with the noise.

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I already said that if Monty flips town, MorningTweet is the next elimination and that the game is not solved.

Yes but you still intend to push two slots that should be part of the town block

If Monty flips scum, yes. I'm even going further with this and say that I think you're scum even if Monty flips town. But if Monty is town, I retract my scumread on Noraa; Noraa is basically conftown if MorningTweet is scum.

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I'm fine with voting private. I've said that multiple times today but apparently Mr. I solved the whole game hasn't even been reading the game.

I don't see your vote

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Hey Noraa, since your sudden realization that I'm town, aren't you impressed by how I got Spring eliminated? 'Cause your scumread on me seemed to me as "this guy must be informed to be that confident and be right at the same time". What is it, Noraa? Am I like god emperor town, or am I awful just because I'm wrong on you? Or am I right?

I don't understand, really!

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If Monty flips scum, yes. I'm even going further with this and say that I think you're scum even if Monty flips town. But if Monty is town, I retract my scumread on Noraa; Noraa is basically conftown if MorningTweet is scum.

OH NO LOOK WHO IS REEVALUATING NOW.
HOLY FUCKS THIS MUST BE SCUM.
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I'm not reevaluating, I'm stating a fact. I started this day saying that if I was right about my scumread on MorningTweet, you were obvtown. I'm not scumreading MorningTweet anymore, so you're scum. If I'm wrong and Morning was indeed scum, then back to what I said at the start of this day.

As I've said multiple times, Noraa, you don't know how to discredit me.

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oh ffs it literally makes no sense for me to dance around the Kanna wagon like that if I was scum

Both you and Noraa tried to make things that made no sense around Kanna's wagon. If Spring dies, you both gete towncred; if she doesn't, you saved her.

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The coward in me almost wants to slowball today to try to hardsort all of S_S/MT/PI q_q

I think Murder/PI partnering could make sense but I'm not sure Noraa really fits (and happy to be called out postgame for being stupid if she does end up being a partner and this is a godsolve).
I think a lot of this is a little too contingent on flips we don't have. Which I recognize that you acknowledge here but I think if we collectively hardfocus those three slots that would make a worst case scenario solve easier?
I think getting a scumflip today basically breaks the game open.

(And there's still like.. the absolutely worst case scenario of a ninja, idk)

That's why I said NO QUESTIONS ASKED if both PI and Murder flip scum. You will owe me that, even if I'm wrong. Noraa can blame me post game if I'm wrong, you guys are all excented of guilt

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Both you and Noraa tried to make things that made no sense around Kanna's wagon. If Spring dies, you both gete towncred; if she doesn't, you saved her.

How am I getting towncred while not being on the wagon
I literally had a CW ready to go in cake and I completely relented on it
I said in my iso that I wanted to flip kanna, not someone else

One thing is what you expected; other, is what is happening. You are NOT getting towncred, but you thought you would, because there was some kind of consensus that the players who were defending Spring at the end of the day looked townie. Noraa got to the top of the readlists by doing so, and so did Pooky.

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What about MT's play is towny rn PB?
I ask because I kinda lack any real impression of MT at all

You'll have to talk with Jingle about that. He can answer this question better than me, 'cause I thought Murder was scum when the day started.

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By the way, Morning, do you confirm that you sent your fruit to SPF?

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One thing is what you expected; other, is what is happening. You are NOT getting towncred, but you thought you would, because there was some kind of consensus that the players who were defending Spring at the end of the day looked townie. Noraa got to the top of the readlists by doing so, and so did Pooky.

yes, why would I expect towncred without voting?

Let's do something: if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Sorry for that, but I have enough reasons to be confident right now, since I caught the first scum and correctly guessed who was going to be the nightkill. If I'm right, you can answer me this question after the game ends, 'cause all I can do is speculate about why did you not vote Spring when it was obvious the wagon was not going to be derailed. My speculation is that Maria's vote caught you by surprise and you actually wanted to hammer Spring but couldn't.

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What about MT's play is towny rn PB?
I ask because I kinda lack any real impression of MT at all

You'll have to talk with Jingle about that. He can answer this question better than me, 'cause I thought Murder was scum when the day started.

MT = morning tweet

Yes, sorry, I meant MT

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Hey Gamma let's make a bet: how many posts will Noraa have before she dies

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I had ample time to hammer.

As I said, I'm speculating. You're making a question I can't really answer. To either side I mean. I don't know what your intentions where

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Everyone who sends fruit that doesn't explicitly do something is sending that fruit to PB.

I'm like 90% sure that PB doesn't die tonight.

Every non protective role claims tomorrow.

Did you enjoy the Loring Peach?

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I think the only way Pink Ball can be scum here is if mafia has a role where the factional kill also watches, which would make this all an incredibly elaborate way of setting up a chain of miselims off of credible information.
But does a role like that exist?
Seems kind of like a stretch.
And tbh I'm kind of okay losing to it if that is the case lol.

See, this is what paranoia looks like. Not what Noraa tried to do at the start of this day

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I said, I'm speculating. You're making a question I can't really answer. To either side I mean. I don't know what your intentions where

I already stated that I was attempting to give Titus more info. You can't answer it because you are not paying attention to the parts of the game that don't fit with your solve. Which, I get it, it happens, but you are turning a won game into a not won game by putting me and Noraa back into the possible elim pool.

Titus is always scum in my eyes so it makes sense that you're scum

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Did you enjoy the Loring Peach?

That is not the peach flavor I received, actually.

Really?

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PB I am going to give you a list of reasons that I am town and I'm going to ask you to try to explain them in good faith. If you can't will you admit your SR on me has holes?

Murder, I have stated twice that I could be wrong, don't you think it's a little pathetic to go this route?

My scumread on Spring had holes too. She flipped scum. Because town casing scum has holes, because they are not informed. I gave the most important argument first: you're part of my PoE after Private flips scum. You can't do nothing against PoE. The second most important argument: you've tried to derail scum wagons twice. That's it.

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Show of hands, who got the loring peach?

Eh, Morning confirmed that she sent her peach to SPF and Private claiming doing that too, so if something got mixed up with my peach I don't care. You could've been busdriven, who cares.

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There would be one townflip in that chain if he's wrong on you.

Ding ding ding

Already said that if you flip town, Murder, I was wrong and town would have to solve the game and watch out for the lurkers (Jake, mainly).

I want to say, also, that if both you and Noraa flipped town, I think we would win this either way. There's a solid townblock. And competent players in said townblock.

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Point.

I was trying to determine if it was a town or a scum busdrive, but I'm not entirely sure how to take advantage of that information either way.

I thought about the busdriver route at some point; I was going to ask SS, Morning and/or Private if they could tell me who they targeted last night but since Private claimed, there was no need.

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Or at least that was my understanding.
It seems melodramatic to think that two townflips after two scumflips would be GG.

Ok have fun sorting {gamma, jake, Maria, cake} after you flipped two should be obv town

Cake is town, ez

Gamma and Jake are in the PoE I gave in case PI flips scum.

You're making no sense dude.

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Ok, I did my part! If you guys want to talk about anything let me know, but I'm ready for the day to end. We got enough info, at least with the {PrivateI, SS, Morning} trifecta we know that PI is today's weakest link for sure.

Sorry for being snarky at the begining of this day, Noraa got in my nerves.

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I did indeed got my own peach! I didn't notice until now that has been pointed out, sorry for the mess

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I'm lowkey exasperated that 5 people apparently sent me peaches after I specifically asked not to be sent any peaches.

Yeah I don't get that part either, I was happy that everyone sent me their peaches

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WAIT

If I'm going to be bus driven again to be protected, do not, I repeat, DO nNOT send me your fruit!
Bus drive me with Murder if PI flips scum. Bus drive me with Morning if PI flips town. And DON'T SEND ME FRUIT

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Morning pumped up Spring's content on D1; I'm asuming it wasn't on purpose and Jingle is right. If PI flips town I'd asume it was indeed on purpose and Jingle was wrong.

SS has been very townminded today.

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Don't try to guide the bus drive, PB. If there's a clear bus drive target they just shoot there and kill you anyway.

We could have someone we don't mind dying but who is likely town receive all the fruit though. It's more important that FV's don't target you than that we get their results though, and I don't see why scum would lie about having been the FV target if the fruit gets driven away.

Oh, you're right. They can shoot themselves and still get the kill. My bad, forgot that was something scum can do

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See? That's why you don't ask Jingle politely to leave on D1.

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You really shouldn't give me discretion.

How about this: after we get 3 scums in a row, we eliminate you for the lulz

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Ready to end the day, Jingle?

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Just end the day dudes, leave the fruit speculation for another day. 3 more votes to go

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PB *did* receive his own peach

Why did he ask Jingle if he enjoyed the Loring then? Am I missing something?

I didn't realize I received my own peach. I read my role PM like two weeks ago and forgot what my flavor was (why would I care anyways). I read my role PM again to tell Jingle I was the one who sent the peach he received, in a way to say that I can multitask, but then Jingle said he didn't receive my peach, I checked again the PM I received today and there it was, along with the other 4

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Timeline: role PM -> several days -> new inventory -> few days -> check my role again -> check my inventory again

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One more

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Who's the lucky one... Noraa? Maria?

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There's like a role that, if they get the last vote, the elimination doesn't go through, right?

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That's Maria everyone!

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I didn't get a correction PM so fine by me

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Oh wait no, I did get a correction

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Well now everything makes more sense.

Guys, all fruit to me. There's probably no bus driver, so direct protection on me too.