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What's suspicious about having "interesting early town reads"? Can you give an example of Norwee talking about random topics?In post 95, Toriiiiiiiiiiii wrote:Umm "I think there's at least one mafia between Meuh, Norweegian, and iN3kor" When I play mafia, I usually narrow down to a group of people that all act differently(this could be just the person but...). At that moment, I though meuh was quite odd because of how they had some interesting early town reads, then also Norweegian I thought was constantly talking about somewhat random mafia-ish topics(distracting?), and iN3krO is just kinda coasty(maybe only at the moment idk) So...
Why are you asking me in particular about her reads?In post 96, iN3krO wrote:VOTE: Vote: Catboi
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On the one hand, I don't respond well to pressure as town. On the other, openly saying you're pressuring me isn't actually going to mae me feel anything. What were you hoping to accomplish here. And why do you generally townread pear?In post 100, Meuh wrote:VOTE: catboi
I'd rather apply pressure here, especially since Pear is someone I generally townread.
Largely a coincidence. I didn't have time to post last night and the game wasn't that interesting, I was busy most of the day and only came back just now. I was typing up a post when pear posted. I have a few thoughts on the game that I'm holding back for now as most of my reads are fairly weak. (⌯͒ᵕɪᵕ⌯͒)zzZIn post 101, marcistar wrote:Catboi do you have time not as often..? Or do you only enter when you see people talking about you..?-
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TBH, I'm not really trying to be "critical" or Toriiii, I'm just trying to get her to elaborate on her thought process. It's very unlikely I'm going to think the way she does, but I can look at her explanations and ask myself whether they seem plausible or not. As for how I feel about those answers? Eh. There's a little bit of cautios language in the answers I don't really like, the "idk", the "ok maybe", I would expect a newer player to not be confident in their reads early in the game but the immediate concession when questioned feels like she's too quick to give up ground, which makse me feel like those reads might not be coming from a real place.In post 106, Meuh wrote:
I think Catboi's criticisms of what you pointed out were pretty reasonable tbh, didn't feel really that defensive of anyone but I was one of the people he "defended" so ig I'm not to be trusted on that topicIn post 105, Toriiiiiiiiiiii wrote:I uhh still don't get quoting...
I found the "interesting early townreads" sus by meuh because at that point there really wasn't anything indicative about those people unless meuh was meta reading so idk...
Ok, maybe Norwee's earlier conversations were just maybe just starting the game things, but I'd like them to speak more now-ish.......
I like pearl's reads and catboiiiiiiiiiiii (sorry i couldn't resist) seems rather defensive of people so maybe a potential partner of one of them?
There wasn't too much indicative but I think page 3 is late enough to start establishing my thought process.
I like to be very open with other players, so that means pointing out where my head's at, even at points where maybe I should let ideas sit a bit longer or wait for more content.
Also being a bit off topic on the first few pages is usually fine, since at that point there's not much to do except wait for everyone to show up anyways.
You quote by pressing the quote button, it's mostly used to respond to posts more directly, makes it easier for other people to follow, and makes reading back on players' posts in isolation a fair bit easier.-
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Er, the post I was typing upIn post 134, Pearofclubs wrote:
I don't know. Upon rereading a bit I'm really not liking Catboi for 102.In post 131, Not_Mafia wrote:inkro + Sudowoodo?
1. A little too dismissive of Meuh's post.
2. Suggesting that he isn't responding to the thread because it wasn't interesting enough.
3. Suggesting that it was bad timing, he was busy, but now he's not and didn't stick around.
4. He was "typing up a post when (I) posted" but didn't follow that up with anything.
5. He hasn't answered any questions or provided any insight to the thread.
I'm still not happy with Ink, especially since he's been away so long, but I think VOTE: Catboi needs this more.
Since you're so interested in why people townread me, I'd actually like to hear what you think of my slot? Or, y'know, anything you'd want to talk about?
The thread might be more interesting if you were around more!wasthe one you got. I didn't have anything more to say at the time. Is being disinterested scummy to you?-
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I see you think those people are townie. Is there anyone you suspect at the moment?In post 111, Samawoodo wrote:First of all
FRIDAAAAAAY
I couldnt play yesterday because work and personal stuff, so apologies.
About my spanish, im not going to rely more about that kind of excuse in the future. I dont want to get this topic dirty. We need clean interactions, not excuses or meta stuff about the players.
But, i have to say thanks to that, there were some reactions worth to mention because, if i were mafia, to take advantage of that and maaaybe join the "push" (because i dont think it was a proper push) would have been the logical play but, not in this kind of game. So, for me, the more townies atm for me are Not_Mafia and Norwegian atm.-
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I'm going to pointedly refuse to answer this and instead ask why you felt the need to ask everyone about different people.In post 146, Meuh wrote:@Not_Mafia:thoughts on Tori?
@Samawoodo:thoughts on Catboi?
@Tori:thoughts on Marci and Sama?
@iN3krO:thoughts on Sama and Tori?
@NorwegianboyEE:Could you explain how your read on Sama evolved from #68 to #125?
@Marci:Thoughts on Tori?
@Pearofclubs:Thoughts on Marci and Sama?
@Catboi:Thoughts on N_M and Norwee?-
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VOTE: in3kro
Says he wanted to read more of me but didn't actually answer my question to him, says he's reading the other posts but doesn't add anything except a single question to samawoodo, and *gulp* I think him latching on to norwee talking about policy voting N_M early on isn't a great look.
(also, for the record, my poke at pear in RVS wasn't "fluff". An accusation, even an unserious one, can be useful for reactions. I think pear reacted in a fine way, read natural, although I would've liked to follow up on it more, but, well, didn't have the time, oops~)-
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It's not like it would be particularly difficult to answer that question as scum, indeed if my focus were simply on pleasing people I'd answer straight away and be done with it.In post 179, Samawoodo wrote:Ok i didnt read this when i wrote my previous post
I dont see the point of that tbh, i mean, is not like he asked you for a 2v2 or something like that (anyway, that wouldn't be a problem either). Is like you are being so defensive without reason (We are at D1 still)
If someone ask about my thoughts, i wouldnt have any problem sharing them
I hope you are not afraid of sharing them
speaking of not answering questions, though - you didn't answer mine. Is there anyone you currently suspect?
I ask because it struck me as the sort of move that is designed to appear like someone is being helpful on the surface but is largely directionless and accomplishes nothing, a maneuver I've attempted as scum before. I don't think asking people for opinions on others based on putting names together seemingly at random accomplishes much.In post 180, Meuh wrote:I asked everyone about people I wanted them to elaborate their read on, so either people they haven't or barely have mentioned/interacted with so we can build a fuller picture of the game, I feel like the partners are probably not interacting much, so asking these questions could help bait out scum/scum interactions, which would probably be pretty great.
I find myself with several people I fos, and not much in the way of townreads.-
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Again, though, you can say me being inactive isIn post 190, Pearofclubs wrote:Being disinterested? No, although you engaging more could have made it more interesting for all involved.
Barely participating? A bit. You made one RVS post and then vanished. That's not good.
You've also been acting fairly defensive, not answering questions, not sharing your thoughts. Not townie behavior.
You can argue semantics about it not being fluff if you like, but you didn't stick around to do anything with any reactions that you might've gotten.
But it's still very earlynot goodorunhelpful, but that doesn't really cross the bridge to bebeing scum, does it? Focusing solely on someone's activity is unfortunately a poor method of finding scum, sometimes there are players who lurk because they have a hard time faking it, but other times people are just naturally disinterested. (granted, my last scumgame offsite, I was miserably frozen and flaked out, but I don't think I'd have that problem here because it's so much slower paced).
I think "defensive" is a term that gets thrown around whenever someone bothers to defend themself, at all, which is a fairly natural thing in a game of mafia. It's an accusation that has very little meaning. Why do you see my not answering qusetions as scummy? It's a very easy thing to comply with the requests of others if I were scum, and that's probably what I'd be doing. But if I feel like I'm getting asked a question that's useless or suspect I'm going to uestion them instead. I can understand your frustration with me not simply plopping down a reads list but most of my thoughts right now are half-formed, I'm still in the process of feeling hings out. In my previous post, I was going to give some townreads then when I went back to reread people, I doubted myself and deleted that part of my post. I don't like making statements that amount to "eh, could go either way, who knows"-
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I'm not sure what you mean by this? Also, if you want more out of me then why avoid giving me an answer? Do you actually care about the question you asked me?In post 197, iN3krO wrote:@catboi If you answer me with another question I don't really feel like answering ya. I don't think it's a coincidence that you and NM are voting me, though I think it's quite reactive and doesn't indicate aligment of either of you.
Is pear your only read?In post 208, iN3krO wrote:
Right now I don't, I just wanted to read more from him (and i said it 2 times before voting him). Problem is I'm not scumreading anyone T-TIn post 206, NorwegianboyEE wrote:In3kor why do you scumread Catboi?
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I do think we need to move to consolidate votes on someone and get a wagon going. I want to catch up and try to get a full readlist out first, though.In post 223, marcistar wrote: i still have schoolwork to do, but I think its so true that the scum are probably happy with the state of this game, because its slowed down so much.. I expected more posts while I was doing my stuff but its barely anything yall busy?
I remember in my past games, the solutions were just to end phase.. should we do that..? or do we push inactives to give more of their opinions?-
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I think if I cared about appearances I'd be more willing to answer anything thrown my way rather than being obstinate and doing my own thing. I find it easier to manufacture observations than make real ones but I realize this is the opposite for most players.In post 209, Pearofclubs wrote:Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?
Because being unwilling to post much makes it seem like you're being careful about what you say and what you don't, like you care about your appearance more than being helpful and progressing the game. Could just be your playstyle, but I won't ignore when something pings me.
Is it 'very easy' to comply when you're scum? I don't know about that. It seems, to me at least, that pretending to make observations and give your feelings on the state of the game would be harder than honestly doing so.
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iN3krO- This is a very slight read, but I actually like him saying he's not scumreading anyone in 208. Maybe I'm a sucker who's being baited by a sad face emoticon. I kind of think I don't want to vote him?
NorwegianboyEE- I think him starting with wanting to policy N_M (27) but backing down in 67 and giving him credit for saying things is probably indicative of a town mindset. Although pushing for a vote on n_m is >rand scum from recent experience, coming out the gates with a policy vote is likely to be unpopular and nlikely to accomplish anything, and the fact that he was willing to re-evaluate suggests he's not pushing it just to push a mislim. I also like him talking about looking at Meuh's previous towngames in 160. His spirited defense of me in 194 is a bit surprising but I can buy it coming from someone with some prior experience with me. I'm all right with calling him a townread at this point.
Pearofclubs- I will agree toward the general townreads on them, their general approach does feel problem-solvey. Reaction to my early RVS sass was okay, approach looks fine, I can't necessarily point to anything in particular but I like their overall analysis and it doesn't look like newbie scum thoughts.
Of course, I am historically terrible at at reading people who push me, don't take that read to the bank if i die.
Toriiiiiiiiiiii- largely stand by what I said earlier about not liking their tone in respons to questioning, slight scum read
Not_Mafia- truth be told, I've not been thrilled by what he's done so far - I know he's typically a player that doesn't do much as either alignment, but the way he outed this reads felt a bit showy, like he wanted to have the appearance of analyzing, but they haven't really moved much and the read on Sama was weak. I think there's a decent chance he could be scum here.
Samawoodo- His start was slow and I wasn't a fan of how he seemed to be doing a lot of talking without much substance in the way of reads. I like the questioning of Toriii in 112 combined with him stating he was waiting for a followup in 141 though, shows he wasn't asking the question as busywork. The list in 202 doesn't do a ton for me, but the marcistar read is nice, there's a bit of depth to it in how he goes about the analysis - not just looking at simple things, talking about marcistar reacting to a null erad. I think that's enough to call him a town lean right now.
Meuh- I wasn't a fan of that post asking everyone qusetions and in general I feel like there's a vibe of hanging back to her posts, stuff like 116 118 123 I don't see as advancing the game but more like talking just to talk. The bit about Sama in 162 is interesting although I'm not sure what she means by "positioning". Vote on Tori in 210 is kind of weak, don't townread Torii but this is just using purely gamestate reasoning and nothing in particular about Tori's posts which I don't like - why her over another inactive player?
marcistar- My first game with her, had her as a fairly strong townread easily but that was because she came under pressure early, here it's a very different game and so my read isn't as strong. I do think 101 is a fairly solve-y post and the way she's tried to prod people to get the game moving is +town but nothing I'd hang my hat on.
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None of my scumreads are super strong suspicions, I'd vote any of them but would be least likely to vote Meuh simply because...she's actually posting, and given how slow the game has been I'd rather not vote out someone active on Day 1.-
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All right, was trying to get a sense for your familiarity with the game. Do you normally find it difficult to form reads on day 1?In post 254, iN3krO wrote:
Yes, I've been playing for the past year. But we usually have 48 hours days.In post 238, catboi wrote:iN3krO, quick question: you mentioned something about the phases being long, I assume you have experience playing elsewhere?
This is pretty much his playstyle and you just have to deal with it. That being said, I think based on slight indicators from what he's chosen to say + other people seeming townie, there's a decent chance he could flip mafia.In post 256, Samawoodo wrote:I have to say, N_M started very townie for me, I don’t understand his lack of posts.-
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I think the way people position themselves around the NM vote will provide information should we choose to flip him. I don't mind you scumreading me, but do you believe you'd somehow gain more information by flipping me, for instance?In post 254, iN3krO wrote:You are townreading all my options, I'm not seeing how could we follow-up on day 2 or what would NM's flip tell us (thought that's what he wants with his gameplan, I think).-
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Again, same question to you: Do you believe there's someone else who flipping is supposed to provide more information?In post 264, marcistar wrote:I agree with what in3kros saying here, the not_mafia wagon just seems icky to me tbh...
meuh & catboi, is ur plans to base the next day off the nk..? I don't think a not_mafia flip would give much.. no matter what he flips, I don't see a useful piece of info from him.
I also must stress again I think there's a legitimate chance he is scum here, or I wouldn't be pushing this. I think there's subtle differences in the way he plays. I accept that I'll be suspect if I'm wrong on this.
This is understandable, but we're running out of time and a decision has to be made because eliminating someone is better than eliminating no one. You're not always going to have anyone that stands out as obviously scummy, sometimes you have to take a guess and hope for the best.In post 264, marcistar wrote:Well this is facts
I didn't really feel hella confident in anyone being scum earlier (like i had scum reads, but i wasn't confident in them...), Idk where to go I wanna make a vote that I think is scum instead of just going onto a wagon for the sake of an elim.. but with votes this spread out, i don't really see reactions to being voted..
I think despite what I want to do, that I should just stick within the already being voted because thats what'll be best for town.
Do you have suggestions..? I wanna hear whats the ideas of other people first... but I have a rough idea of what vote I would make.
(I'm someone who likes to always have a vote down if I can and be pushing someone, but I know people who prefer to hold their vote and are able to make it work. Looking at your other games you don't vote that often so it's not suspicious, at least).
Additionally, if you're struggling to find scumreads, wouldn't it make sense that the likely explanation is that scum are in the people who haven't talked as much and provided things to read them by?-
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In post 268, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Just vote the people that say an N_M wagon is good, and you'll flip scum.
Works everytime.
Shrug, I will keep repeating until I'm blue in the face that I think there's an actual chance he's mafia here. I don't think it's a lazy read when I've tried to look at other players and have townreads elsewhere. I do have Meuh as a suspect as well so it's not like I'd oppose a vote there, though. What do you think of in3 right now?In post 269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:And i think this "scum just don't talk at all and are inactive lol" read is pretty lazy and could just be scum saying it cus a lot of town are afk.-
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In post 272, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But it is a fact that when N_M is town mafia that are unfamiliar with his playstyle are extremely likely to want to try to make us flip him. N_M is super flipbait if town here. And sure, that's annoying. But i feel like Meuh isn't really being genuine with their N_M push.
I think there's a subtle difference in how he plays that's pronounced in newbie games - if he's explaining himself to justify what he's doing he's doing it with the intent to look town so he gets credit for "actually playing" where as town he'll often just silently vote and make flippant statements but won't argue as strongly compare his isos in these games:In post 273, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why do you think there's an actual chance he's mafia here as oppposed to just usual flipbait N_M?
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The idea that he or his teammate would be doing something in response to votes is something of a fallacy - he doesn't respond to being voted as either alignment, and there alreadyarea significant amount of people wno are trying to resist wagoning him! There's only 2 votes on him! I would describe it, right now, as a vote that isnotan easy one.
Also, I just don't really like that he fos'd someone just for "stilted rvs posting", it doesn't feel like a real read
I would agree with that. What made you change your mind on him?In post 274, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Tbh, town. And that's partly the reason why i'm trying to make the game go in another direction.In post 271, catboi wrote:What do you think of in3 right now?-
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Are you actually interested in flipping me? How is that supposed to give information on those two?In post 288, marcistar wrote:I don't see how peoples positioning on not_mafia would show information about them, since not_mafia is so easy wouldn't everyone just have an easy excuse..?
I think flipping you will make meuh/samawoodoo clearer for me idk if that would work for others too but I don't like how meuh acts with you!!! (and the way samawoodoo acted in 256 kinda gives me similar vibes to what vibes i got from meuh).
How is not_mafia subtly acting different btw...? It's too hard to read them
If you think Meuh is a better vote, that's fine, I've already said I don't oppose it.
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Not like t should take long to look at >_>In post 292, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hmm i'll give the N_M meta a look when i get some time.-
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I mean that's understandable if you don't believe me, it's not like I'd claim it's the strongest case even if I feel it's my best lead right now.In post 297, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don’t think you r scum wither way Catboi. So that vote is meh, but i’m still feeling like N_M could be town.
You should generally never offer yourself up for elimination like this, especially when it's far from guaranteed who the wagon will be on. After all, you know you're town while anyone else is just a guess. You are right that I'm town here, but I hardly claim to be some great scumhunter, my reads are typically not great.In post 291, Meuh wrote:Tbh elim me over Catboi, that's probably better for the game, unless he's town and my read is off, but I wouldNEVERmake an incorrect read-
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Why can't they be town who is townreading me correctly? I'm not naive, I don't think someone is town just for townreading me but I don't think it's inherently suspect either, clearlyIn post 303, marcistar wrote:Well, meuhs buddying you, and samawoodoos buddying her is how I see it.
So I think generally in most cases, scum wouldn't be buddying scum.
so like if ur scum, meuhs not. if ur town, meuhs not. thats what i was originally thinking but when i think more idk but i still dont like meuh following after you so easily, I don't see a reason for her to.
so then like to explain about samawoodoo, it just seems like he did that because meuh has those kind of thoughts also. (like meuh said ur more townie... and then samawoodoo says ur more townie..) though he could just see meuh as a really townie town leader I guess..?
it just sort of seems like... not really buddying actually but... having too similar thoughts to her..?someonehas to be right about me. TBH, I have a hard time parsing whether the townreads on me are legitimate or a product of TMI because they haven't been well explained, because it's not like it's not like there's been any reasoning for it, so I don't find it a useful way to sort people. I find it more useful to hang back and observe what other people are doing and what cases they make.
That's an interesting point about Sama repeating opinions. Do you have other examples of this?
This is allIn post 305, Pearofclubs wrote:Next, let's address Norwee's early "scumread" on Meuh. It was a rather quick conclusion to come to so early on, still easily during RVS, where people are free to joke around. Could that have been Meuh ineptly trying to plant the idea of Norwee+NM in people's minds? Yes. It could have, but I don't know that I put too much faith in that.
Let's address the concept that wagoning N-M is scummy behavior. I agree if we're talking about newer players, or maybe on later days. On day one, an experienced scumplayer would LOVE to keep a shitposting randomlol impossible to read player like N-M alive, especially given that people attacking N-M so early look scummy. Why? It's really simple. Because N-M isn't going to do ANYTHING to scumhunt OR defend himself later on, and someone that's easy to miselim is more valuable to scum in later days. So I think an experienced scumplayer, especially one who's played directly with N-M in the past, would be more inclined to jump on someone who pushes at N-M as hard as possible, especially given that we're running out of time and the next decent wagon to get off the ground will have a very good chance of success.
And I feel like an inexperienced scum!Meuh would fight being flipped, at all. She seems resigned to it, and that doesn't feel scummy to me.
So there ya go. Interested in hearing what people think.interestingbut it all feels rather presumptive? Like, you present an example of why this is what scumcouldbe doing but I'm not sure it covers the ground to say Norwee is scumbecausehe is doing this? That is to say, that his actions make more sense coming from scum than from town. Do you think his vote on Meuh is insincere. I don't agree with his early tonal scumread but I can understand him taking issue with what Meuh was saying in the way he did. It didn't raise a flag for me.
Er...why? You need to explain yourself more or it's going to be hard to get a read on you.In post 309, iN3krO wrote:
I'm quite hit or miss in D1, but mostly I find it quite difficult.In post 261, catboi wrote:All right, was trying to get a sense for your familiarity with the game. Do you normally find it difficult to form reads on day 1?
Also, I've read everything and I like Norwee lynch waaaaaay better than NM
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Here's the thing: I was still suspicious of Meuh at the time, and said as much. Am I supposed to unvote just because she immediately followed my vote? She seems willing to follow me around like a lost puppy even though I suspect her. I could have voted her right there, but I already stated my preference for someone who is less active. I'm also starting to doubt my scumread of her.In post 312, marcistar wrote:but like thats the reasons for how you might be scum, but if ur town heres how catboi fits as scum: he doesn't seem that opposed to your actual buddying...? like i got the vibes he was opposed to other parts of you, which in my eyes means he wants you to follow his lead, but also wants to leave his options to pushing you open.
Like, if we vote out nowee or Meuh and they flip town it's going to be incredibly annoying that we removed an active contributor to the game because people were too afraid to vote a lurker.-
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Do you find pear changing their read on you to be scummy?In post 321, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Needless to say, if i'm actually eliminated here, please put more scrutiny on Pear and In3kro.
I mean, Pear had me as top town earlier.-
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one last post before I go to sleep, but I really didn't like marcistar's logic in 303 where she suggests if i'm town, meuh is scum or vice versa. It didn't really make sense to me, it establishes the premise we aren't scum teammates but then assumes one of us must be scum which isn't a given, and the whole idea that me fipping town would make the person townreading me the most suspect, rather than one of the people who'd have voted to eliminate a townie. I can sort of understand her concern with me not reacting more strongly to Meuh in 312 but I don't really know why she didn't ask me about it directly and just put it out there as a reason to fos me, considering she'd been looking to interact with me earlier in the game I'm not sure why she takes that approach. I find all this concerning.-
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I think it wouldn't have been remotely difficult to get you voted over me if that was the strategy, we could have just as easily kept voting you if that's what we wanted.In post 333, iN3krO wrote:
I think you are scum with catboi. You both want to stop the n3kro or catboi lynch gamestate because then you'll have a 50% chance of having 1 scum killed in D1, catboi went ahead and voted NM in 240 and you vote the guy you have been pushing all day long trying to start a NM vs Meuh lynch which is a 100% chance of killing a townie.In post 331, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m interested to hear why you think i wouldn’t just keep voting you or switch to N_M if i’m scum here In3kro.
Only you have pushed meow and said he looked scum, trying to repeat that over and over so it would sink within the other players...
The line of thinking here does feel like a townish sort of paranoia but the terseness of a lot of your responses leaves me cold. It feels...oddly restrained.
You had stated I was too absent, but I'm not anymore, and while it took me a lot longer to get reads out than I expected, I did get them out, so I'm not actually sure why you still scumread me. Is it just the stuff about "actively trying to not look scum"?-
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...why?In post 361, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hm i'm very impressed with Torii's replacement.-
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Like, T3 comes in and fires off a few rapid fire reads without much backing, and he's somehow "very impressed" with that? Further, he although he scumreads Meuh initially he puts her in his top townreads while putting iN3 as his scumread when Norwee has said he's startin to think iN3 is more town, there's just no reason I can see for him to be "impressed" by those posts unless it's the fact that iN3 is townreading him 「(゚<゚)゙??
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This isn't a criticism of you, for the record. I think your content thus far is acceptable, and the explanations for your reads so far make sense. I just find it very hard to believe Norwee looks at what you've said and is in some way impressed by it, especially when your reads are fairly different from his.In post 379, T3 wrote:
Those were my initial reads after reading the first few pages.In post 375, catboi wrote:EBWOP: Further, although T3 scumreads Meuh initially he puts her in his top townreads when Meuh is Norwee's scumread and the person he's voting right now, while putting iN3 as his scumread when Norwee has said he's starting to think iN3 is more town-
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This is a lot of words and none of it is addressing how your read on T3 makes no senseIn post 394, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don’t bother explaining all of my takes because i rely a lot on gut and don’t care about explaining myself all the time.
...in what world do i play this way as scum? I’m clearly not defending anyone or playing with an agenda. Then again, i don’t expect anyone here to be familiar enough with my meta to see beyond their tunnel vision.
"Hurr Durr he scum for not explaining his post" is the traditional take for newbs so i don’t blame anyone for voting me. I’m just dissapointed. I’ve also been working a day to day job that’s very tiring so complaining about my fading activity being somehow allignment indicative is 100% bullshit.
Then again, if that’s what’s going to happen then go ahead, it’s just the day 1 elimination anyway.
But remember, Pear and Catboi don’t feel that scummy to me. Of my wagon when i’ve flipped town the elimination order should be always In3kro first and MAYBE Catboi, but i don’t really scumread him. Pear feels very town.-
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In post 404, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I just liked his reads progression because it didn’t feel to me like something a acum replacement would come out of the gates with. Seemed very real.
I wanted to wait for a response from you before moving on this but time is limited, the discussion was moving around this and possibly momentum was shifting elsewhere, and so I had to make the call whether to wait for you or make a move.In post 405, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It makes total sense to me. And just because i didn’t share my exact thoughts doesn’t mean: "it doesn’t make sense" you just didn’t ask me and wait for the answer. Rather you prematurely assumed the read didn’t make sense even though i didn’t explain why i read it the way i did.
You’re too impulsive.
Why, exactly, didn'yt it feel like something a scum replacement would come out the gates with? What did you like about it? Point me to specific things.-
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I'm not claiming anything. I don't like T3 openly fishing for role info from people. If someone jailed their scumread they can push it without claiming.
T3, I understand it was 9 hours to deadline, but that's still a significant amount of time and I was clearly in a conversation there. Why did you hammer?-
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Even narrowing that much info down is +scum as they can potentially intuit roles based on people claiming what theyIn post 443, Not_Mafia wrote:
Except there's no rolefishing cos he's not asking people to claim if they are a jailkeeper, just that they did not jail a scum read, you're experienced enough to know thisIn post 442, catboi wrote:I'm not claiming anything. I don't like T3 openly fishing for role info from people. If someone jailed their scumread they can push it without claiming.
T3, I understand it was 9 hours to deadline, but that's still a significant amount of time and I was clearly in a conversation there. Why did you hammer?aren't.-
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Again, I think that is an overstatement of how imminent the deadline was and ignores the circumstances of what was going on.In post 444, T3 wrote:I hammered under protest because the deadline was approaching.
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Why samawoodo?In post 436, iN3krO wrote:I'm no jailkeeper so I didn't jail a scumread.
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I had settled in my mind that I was okay with the vote until he started talking. I didn't anticipate a hammer. Mea culpa, it was bad play. But yes, my read really did change on a dime. That happens, I'll see a post that pings me and I'll jump at it. This was also compounded by the fact that the wagons at the end of the day were fairly diffuse and I lacked for strong reads. I only really regretted it when he started explaining himself to me But as scum, it's much more beneficial to remain consistent, it would be absolutely unnecessary for me to vote norwee there.In post 453, Meuh wrote:Catboi, why not unvote sooner yesterday? I had made it very clear I was going to vote on Norwee, leaving him at E-1 which would be very easy for someone to hammer (especially considering N_M exists). Also did you really just vote Norwee because 361 made youthatuneasy? Or was there something more to it? I don't understand why you played the way you did near the end of the day.
In truth, I'm not sure about N_M. I fear my judgment may have been wrong and that I've poked the bear and now he's going to be tunneling me no matter what. I don't think this situation can be allowed to go unresolved because of that - if we do happen to both be town then leaving us alive is a guaranteed loss.
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In post 459, T3 wrote:I feel like there's a lot of noise but no actual discussion.
catboi is towny.
We should look in the Norwee voters.
This is an abrupt shift from you for me being inactive for a short period of time. I don't think it's scummy from you, but I don't think you should jump to hasty conclusions based on recency bias. I'm still wary but I don't think you take the approach you have as scum here.In post 477, T3 wrote:Meuh and NM ar hard townreads. Meuh is actively contributing, giving reasons and there were quite a few bad votes on NM yesterday.
Pear is town for showing a solvey attitude and willingness to consider others POV while giving valid reasoning.
I am town becuase I am.
catboi is leanscum. It seems to me like all catboi is doing here is justifocations and excuses.
Sama has not soneanything, we wait for the replacement and see.
in3 is leanscum for the reasons outline in Meuh's post.
marci is scum for a general faked tone, questioning jailkeeper results, and fluffing without any real reads.
Sama is not a good vote for today.
I'm coming around to agreeing on your view on Meuh. I still think pear is more likely town that's trying their best. in3/sama/n_m are all very uncertain to me because of lack of content.
I don't like that marcistar's post here is entirely defensive in nature. I had issues with how she was reading me/meuh day 1 and in general it does not feel like she's approaching the game to solve it, her posts have been distant in a way.marcistar wrote:
Tone is just like... general vibes from my wording..? I'm not faking that, but if you think so I can't really fight back against that.In post 477, T3 wrote:marci is scum for a general faked tone, questioning jailkeeper results, and fluffing without any real reads.
How exactly am I questioning jailkeeper results? Where does it say they get told "x is scum"? From what I see, they can protect who they chose against a NK, and also they can roleblock so it can be either of those? If it's even a jailkeep we're dealing with (: But thats from my understanding, if it works otherwise I wouldn't know.
Wdym without any real reads..? I remember giving reads before.
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Really? What are your reads right now?In post 488, marcistar wrote:
Huh?? I've been trying to solve its really hard thoIn post 486, catboi wrote:marci. You're still just responding to things that are said and questioning or talking about theory. I don't see an interest in solving. This is what I mean.-
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I fairly already explained why I thought he might be scum - he was merely declaring reads rather than outright voting them.In post 500, VFP wrote:423 is scummy. Cat boi looks to be testing the waters with this post.
I'm not sure why they don't just vote my slot before the replace in though as I read their ISO as convenient or safe. Maybe town credit here.
@CatboiWhat makes NM scum possibility to you after 27?
On a kneejerk level I heavily disagree with a pearofclubs vote-
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I don't like how this feels like you're repeating something I already said earlier in the day.In post 513, marcistar wrote:I think t3's lil push for jailor to out is kinda scummy, also how he hammered norwegianboyee so soon after he entered the game... just feels like he didn't wanna give the effort to give in depth reads
I forgot newbie games are on a short prod timer. I'll be back with more later.