Micro 1009: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? [Game Over!]

[Loki Dokie]

I love Hopkirk already!

Same

Meh, Hopkirk has nothing on Hipkork. He’s the real deal.

[Loki Dokie]

why not? (serious question)

why don't I want a non talker at e-1.... I wanna hear their voice lol

How many votes on GB now?

Well, yeah running up a non-poster at this point would be seriously dumb.

[Loki Dokie]

anyone on the playerlist you're concerned would quickhammer? obviously quickhammering someone who hasn't posted draws a lot of suspicion and is kind of a death-drawer for scum

Two players who would do it as either alignment fortunately are not in this game but yeah, I’m not voting a non-poster. I literally just found out game started a few minutes ago.

[Loki Dokie]

put george at e-2 you cowards there's no danger

Why put non-poster at e -2?

[Loki Dokie]

tbh i'm kind of afraid bugspray would lolhammer now

He was pushing Andante and now he wants us to put a non-poster at e - 2?

Bugspray is someone who has a lolhammering meta.

[Loki Dokie]

to scare him into posting! duh

Game started just over 4 hrs ago. I just found out about it, so no evidence of lurking unless you’re going to argue this is GB scum meta? Otherwise, I think it’s dumb.

[Loki Dokie]

(^bugspray uses they btw)

@bugspray - were you planning to lolhammer The GeorgeBailey?

Sorry bugspray.

[Loki Dokie]

to scare him into posting! duh

Game started just over 4 hrs ago. I just found out about it, so no evidence of lurking unless you’re going to argue this is GB scum meta? Otherwise, I think it’s dumb.

Are you reading Andante's reasoning there as hyper-serious?

It’s really hard to tell with her.

[Loki Dokie]

I'm putting 0 faith in any Anda scum reads this early tbh

put george at e-2 you cowards there's no danger

If there is no danger, then how is it any different from e-3?

Extremely weak tl on Flow rn.

[Loki Dokie]

can you elaborate on why it's hard to tell Loki? i didn't get the same impression

She’s not someone I think I can easily read.

[Loki Dokie]

Some people are comedy-blind

I do sometimes have trouble grasping subtle humor but I’m definitely not comedy blind.

[Loki Dokie]

when you say read do you mean 'read and work out what they mean' or 'read as town/scum'?

Probably both.

[Loki Dokie]

:I Yeah ok

VOTE: Loki Dokie

Why?

[Loki Dokie]

I'm putting 0 faith in any Anda scum reads this early tbh

put george at e-2 you cowards there's no danger

If there is no danger, then how is it any different from e-3?

Extremely weak tl on Flow rn.

Flow voting me is weird.

[Loki Dokie]

Questioning that initial tl on them now. Town generally doesn’t vote a slot immediately after they express a tl on them. Are you actually scum here Flow?

[Loki Dokie]

to scare him into posting! duh

Game started just over 4 hrs ago. I just found out about it, so no evidence of lurking unless you’re going to argue this is GB scum meta? Otherwise, I think it’s dumb.

Are you reading Andante's reasoning there as hyper-serious?

It’s really hard to tell with her.

How is it hard to tell if andante is being serious by saying that he's hoping votes on someone will encourage them to post?

It’s hard for me.

[Loki Dokie]

Questioning that initial tl on them now. Town generally doesn’t vote a slot immediately after they express a tl on them. Are you actually scum here Flow?

Shouldn't it be the other way around, that scum would not want to alienate people who like them, and town wouldn't care?

In my experience no. Why should a townie be sus about a weak tl read on them? But scum has been quick to push me for that. I could obviously be wrong but it’s a really bad take regardless.

[Loki Dokie]

:I Yeah ok

VOTE: Loki Dokie

Why?

Cause you're the only not voting that was here

So, I don’t usually vote, so that’s nia for me.

[Loki Dokie]

Questioning that initial tl on them now. Town generally doesn’t vote a slot immediately after they express a tl on them. Are you actually scum here Flow?

Town doesn't

usually

:

A. Lie
B. Choose who to defend not based on their scum reads
C. Act suspicious on purpose

I don't do any of those things

Well you’re wrong.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: loki dokie

VOTE: bugspray

[Loki Dokie]

Questioning that initial tl on them now. Town generally doesn’t vote a slot immediately after they express a tl on them. Are you actually scum here Flow?

Town doesn't

usually

:

A. Lie
B. Choose who to defend not based on their scum reads
C. Act suspicious on purpose

I don't do any of those things

Well you’re wrong.

No, I was lying as a joke

No sorry, I meant if you think I’m scum.

[Loki Dokie]

Scum lean on VOTE: loki

I’m town. And you’re bad at this.

[Loki Dokie]

@Loki- do you townread Vandercamp?

He could be scum? I don’t know. I think likely one between bugs and Scamp. Flow is just wrong but bugs is my best guess. I have seen nothing townie from them yet.

[Loki Dokie]

Scum lean on VOTE: loki

I’m town. And you’re bad at this.

I very possibly could be bad at reading you!
Maybe your playstyle as town is just to revolve the game around how people are reading you, I generally see this as a scum trait.

That’s my town meta. Okay, I think I like my vote then.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: andante your rvs vibe is off from last time

double pedit wtf

you're my strongest sr rn so im gonna vote you

pedit what
double pedit slow down this isnt marathon

this rvs is trash
VOTE: georgebailey
explain why we arent playing dark souls 2 right this moment

put george at e-2 you cowards there's no danger

VOTE: loki dokie

Can someone explain to me if they tr this slot and why? Because this ISO seems pretty scummy so far.

[Loki Dokie]

@Loki- do you townread Vandercamp?

He could be scum? I don’t know. I think likely one between bugs and Scamp. Flow is just wrong but bugs is my best guess. I have seen nothing townie from them yet.

Scum lean on VOTE: loki

I’m town. And you’re bad at this.

i'm asking because this reaction reads as though you're assuming town Vander (bad at this would imply he's town) which felt different to your interaction with flow earlier

Regarding mechanical stuff, I feel like we should not claim neighbor chats until someone flips D1, and then the partner of that person immediately claims that.
Then either all claim D2 or do the same as D1 if the partner of the flipped person dies.

I don't feel extremely strongly about this and am open to other thoughts.

we avoid a d2 massclaim because of the friendly neighbour. optimal move changes based on what we hit d1.

I don’t know what anyone is but I feel pretty good with my vote. I don’t think this is town!bugs. First, they jump on Andante, then a non-poster than me. Where is the actual sorting in any of that?

[Loki Dokie]

what was your issue with their page 1 vote on Andante?

All of their votes. I think it’s their scum meta to try to direct the game. Town!bugs is usually a lot more lost.

[Loki Dokie]

so specifically the page 1 vote, what was the issue with it? Given part of your issue was 'first, they jump on Andante' i'm unclear what was bad about the jump on

It’s a combo of both the aggressive jumping on at least three players now, with not much explanation and them trying to direct the game. Town!bugs is far less likely to do that.

[Loki Dokie]

given they've got less than 80 words and 6 posts i don't get the 'trying to direct the game'. can you lay that out more

They’ve made three pushes that seem oddly aggressive from what I know of town!bugs and they naked voted me after trying to run up a non-poster and then the aggressive rsv sr.

Am I confident on this? No but their naked voting me doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. I just find it unlikely that all three slots who jumped on me are town. As Scamp was the third vote, that also has them in my suspicions.

[Loki Dokie]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85345&user_select%5B%5D=32588

I’ll post this in the main thread as well.

[Loki Dokie]

given they've got less than 80 words and 6 posts i don't get the 'trying to direct the game'. can you lay that out more

They’ve made three pushes that seem oddly aggressive from what I know of town!bugs and they naked voted me after trying to run up a non-poster and then the aggressive rsv sr.

Am I confident on this? No but their naked voting me doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. I just find it unlikely that all three slots who jumped on me are town. As Scamp was the third vote, that also has them in my suspicions.

What about bugspray's vote on you was "oddly aggressive?"

I said all three were and that the naked vote on me was suspicious. They just naked voted me and left. Does that scream town to you? Why are you even voting me? You claimed a scumlean but have yet to explain that. When do you plan to do that?

[Loki Dokie]

So, I express a tl, I don’t get a joke, so any of this is scummy, why? I’m looking at both of you @bugs, #Scamp.

[Loki Dokie]

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

What?

Can you paraphrase what they said?

[Loki Dokie]

given they've got less than 80 words and 6 posts i don't get the 'trying to direct the game'. can you lay that out more

They’ve made three pushes that seem oddly aggressive from what I know of town!bugs and they naked voted me after trying to run up a non-poster and then the aggressive rsv sr.

Am I confident on this? No but their naked voting me doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. I just find it unlikely that all three slots who jumped on me are town. As Scamp was the third vote, that also has them in my suspicions.

What about bugspray's vote on you was "oddly aggressive?"

I said all three were and that the naked vote on me was suspicious. They just naked voted me and left. Does that scream town to you? Why are you even voting me? You claimed a scumlean but have yet to explain that. When do you plan to do that?

No, it doesn't scream town to me, I don't think bugspray has been towny.
But it doesn't scream mafia to me either and it's pretty weird that you are this confident about it.

I'm voting you because you are hyper fixated on people who are voting you and your confusion around what andante said didn't make a lot of sense to me.
Andante basically said he was voting someone to get them to talk, and I don't understand what about that is possibly confusing to you, I'm not sure how else you could possibly have interpreted it.

I couldn’t tell, if you’re town here and seriously this bad, I have no words.

[Loki Dokie]

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

[Loki Dokie]

given they've got less than 80 words and 6 posts i don't get the 'trying to direct the game'. can you lay that out more

They’ve made three pushes that seem oddly aggressive from what I know of town!bugs and they naked voted me after trying to run up a non-poster and then the aggressive rsv sr.

Am I confident on this? No but their naked voting me doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. I just find it unlikely that all three slots who jumped on me are town. As Scamp was the third vote, that also has them in my suspicions.

What about bugspray's vote on you was "oddly aggressive?"

I said all three were and that the naked vote on me was suspicious. They just naked voted me and left. Does that scream town to you? Why are you even voting me? You claimed a scumlean but have yet to explain that. When do you plan to do that?

No, it doesn't scream town to me, I don't think bugspray has been towny.
But it doesn't scream mafia to me either and it's pretty weird that you are this confident about it.

I'm voting you because you are hyper fixated on people who are voting you and your confusion around what andante said didn't make a lot of sense to me.
Andante basically said he was voting someone to get them to talk, and I don't understand what about that is possibly confusing to you, I'm not sure how else you could possibly have interpreted it.

I couldn’t tell, if you’re town here and seriously this bad, I have no words.

I appreciate it!
What have I said that is bad?

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

You are insisting that I’m lying about not knowing she was serious and I’m not and I have also not made the game about me. But if you actually bothered to read my entire ISO, you probably wouldn’t be saying that. Are you actually trying to sort me or shitpush me because I honestly can’t tell?

[Loki Dokie]

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

who said u were scum lmfao. calm down dont get offended now, all i said is that i could be joking, whatever happens in that neighbor talking really doesn't signify. you should know that, that was MY enterance... why would i make a claim like that? anyone with common sense can... yea you get the point.

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

who said u were scum lmfao. calm down dont get offended now, all i said is that i could be joking, whatever happens in that neighbor talking really doesn't signify. you should know that, that was MY enterance... why would i make a claim like that? anyone with common sense can... yea you get the point.

or were u werent talking to me... if u werent then... well that was awkward

No not you the dude who’s voting me for not being a mind reader or getting a joke.

[Loki Dokie]

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

How many mafia games have you played, grandpa?

this is my first :p

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

What?

Can you paraphrase what they said?

[Loki Dokie]

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

I'd be pretty careful about who you are calling bad or idiotic given you have failed to understand the "nuance" of something that I would have expected someone with no mafia experience to grasp.
I'm not scum reading you for not reading minds, I thought you were being overly serious regarding what andante was doing and your push on bugspray seems overly strong.

But you might be in luck regarding my vote now because grandpa seems scummier.

I said your reasoning for voting me was idiotic and I stand by that. No, if I was actually “lucky” no one would be making bs stupid reads on me and yes, I specifically take offence to this post. Knock it off, it’s not impressing me in the slightest. Maybe I should switch my vote to you because I’m supposed to somehow be grateful to you for what exactly?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Vanderscamp

I particularly hated that last post.

[Loki Dokie]

Grandpa town too.... THE TRIO IS TOWN!!!!

Only two players are worrying me: Vanders and bugs but could it really be that easy?

[Loki Dokie]

If I had not voted you, would I be worrying you?

Yes because you’re reasoning for voting Andante is similar. You’re equating defensivenuss with scumminess which is a really bad reason for sr anyone. I mean if you were right, I’d obviously have to reevaluate but the only players who I think are being possibly scummy this far are you and bugs, so my vote is very likely being on one of you.

I just think both of you are tryharding and being weird about pushes. I don’t know you and if this is scum indicative for you or not, I think it seems atypical for bugs but I’m not willing to bet the game yet on either of those reads but no one else is really pinging me so far.

[Loki Dokie]

If I had not voted you, would I be worrying you?

Yes because you’re reasoning for voting Andante is similar. You’re equating defensivenuss with scumminess which is a really bad reason for sr anyone. I mean if you were right, I’d obviously have to reevaluate but the only players who I think are being possibly scummy this far are you and bugs, so my vote is very likely being on one of you.

I just think both of you are tryharding and being weird about pushes. I don’t know you and if this is scum indicative for you or not, I think it seems atypical for bugs but I’m not willing to bet the game yet on either of those reads but no one else is really pinging me so far.

I agree that if my read was just that andante is scummy for being defensive, that would be pretty bad.

Okay what other reason are you voting her then because that’s all I got out of your reasoning?

[Loki Dokie]

Andante, why did you vote me?

Your defence against what I'm saying is that as town, it's normal for you to crumble under pressure.

But why would you expect me to know that since we've never played together?
Why is it scummy for me to look at someone "crumbling" (something you don't disagree with) and then vote you for it?
Why was it such a shock to you that I was serious in being suspicious of that?

If I had not voted you, would I be worrying you?

Yes because you’re reasoning for voting Andante is similar. You’re equating defensivenuss with scumminess which is a really bad reason for sr anyone. I mean if you were right, I’d obviously have to reevaluate but the only players who I think are being possibly scummy this far are you and bugs, so my vote is very likely being on one of you.

I just think both of you are tryharding and being weird about pushes. I don’t know you and if this is scum indicative for you or not, I think it seems atypical for bugs but I’m not willing to bet the game yet on either of those reads but no one else is really pinging me so far.

I agree that if my read was just that andante is scummy for being defensive, that would be pretty bad.

[Loki Dokie]

Player List:
Andante - Town
GeorgeBailey
Robert M Hunter
Vanderscamp
flow trap - Town
bugspray
GrandpaMo - Town
Hopkirk - Town
Loki Dokie - Town


is this game really this easy? like... I have 4 TRs/TLs right now

I like this list. I would really like to hear more from Robert and hopefully have GB grace us with his presence ar some point.

[Loki Dokie]

the scare GB to talk tactic didn't work lol he has shown no fear....

His last post was on May 4th.

[Loki Dokie]

the scare GB to talk tactic didn't work lol he has shown no fear....

His last post was on May 4th.

but he confirmed his role PM, sooo lol it's ok, I'm sure he'll be around

Yeah that’s right, so hopefully we hear from him soon.

[Loki Dokie]

I mean, if you want me here 24/7 I can do that... but post count will be insane, I leave so yall have a chance to talk.... so when I return, and am catching up, I see someone going "andante claimed scum in the hood" and I have no clue what follows. So I go. "no. that wasn't me, I'm not even in that hood" cause how else should I respond?

You can respond by going along with it and at least not outing that you are not in that neighbourhood.

If I said I used a ouija board to determine that you were scum, I would not expect townAndante and scumAndante to both react strongly to that, and I generally think that players (regardless of their defensiveness) are more likely to be defensive towards non-cases as scum than town.

I’d get defensive if it was done as a joke, so I think this is suboptimal reasoning really.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Loki Dokie I'm on p.7, this player is scum.

Are you trolling or are you scum with this. This could possibly be one of the two scums. At least Vanders provided a reason even if dead wrong,

Did you roll scum Robert?

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh I'm not sure I can explain why I think Loki Dokie is scum very well, but I'll try. I feel like his pushes are artificial. They're superficial, aggressive, but unfocused. A buckshot approach.

Vanderscamp is scum for the same reason.

If Vanders actually flips scum, I think Robert could be a buddy.

Because this is seriously the most dafuq thing I’ve read so far in this game.

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh I'm not sure I can explain why I think Loki Dokie is scum very well, but I'll try. I feel like his pushes are artificial. They're superficial, aggressive, but unfocused. A buckshot approach.

Vanderscamp is scum for the same reason.

So you think it's Loki and Vander?

Like it’s insulting enough to badly read me but this is beyond insane.

[Loki Dokie]

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

fair enough. still could have checked if i was new tho!

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

u rlly did smh im still mad its okie tho<3

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

I'd 100% think that. you have no idea the kinds of accusations people have been throwing at me lately in games, it's usually how I end up claiming so fast most games :/

lol ur so right. our first game sheeshhhh!

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

i am actually going to give vander townpings for this. this is actually towny because i had the same thought about andante and i genuinely did expect a better reaction from andante especially considering it was me LOL. and i was even gonna point out "bad rxn" but i gave andante another chance without the pressure. but having that same intuitive thought as me eh i can see why vander is in a town mindset

I've told you. I hate any number of votes on me always. it's the exact same thing... I was caught off guard for grandpa

caught offgaurd by me? smh! shame on you.

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

Where are the actual good players in this game? I need to be far more critical of playerlists in the future. smdh

[Loki Dokie]

Grandpa town too.... THE TRIO IS TOWN!!!!

Only two players are worrying me: Vanders and bugs but could it really be that easy?

no its not that ez. i think koba is scum too

Okay, you were trolling me then, not funny but I feel a bit better now.

[Loki Dokie]

Grandpa town too.... THE TRIO IS TOWN!!!!

Only two players are worrying me: Vanders and bugs but could it really be that easy?

no its not that ez. i think koba is scum too

DK & NM

Koba and notmafia?

[Loki Dokie]

That was e1 for a moment whew

But you were fine when it was GB though.

[Loki Dokie]

@mod is it possible for both scum neighbors to be in the same hood and then every other hood is pure town?

Is this a fake townslip? Did you seriously not read the setup?

[Loki Dokie]

how do you read them individually?

I'm easily duped by aggro scum players, but I'm not seeing the "side effects" of aggro scum in Loki, so I think they're town

Virgo's playstyle is scummy, but they do have a natural progression going for them

Virgo? You obviously mean Vanders.

[Loki Dokie]

Robert seems marginally more town than when he was scum last game.

That's a huge stretch, you scumbag.

Your tone isn’t bad, do you usually have this bad reads as town?

[Loki Dokie]

That was e1 for a moment whew

But you were fine when it was GB though.

gb was never e1

No but you were trying to get him there, so why the completely different reaction on Vanders?

Both of you pushing me, both I’m sus on. Could that be a total coincidence?

[Loki Dokie]

oh cool it was actually a real townslip

???

You’re confirming your own “townslip”? Wut?

[Loki Dokie]

I still don’t know about you but in a past micro, the third vote on me that also put me at e-2 in that game came from opportunistic scum.

He just seems really tunnelled. Like Flow looked like town sorting feeling things out but Vanders seems to want to find someone to push.

[Loki Dokie]

I still don’t know about you but in a past micro, the third vote on me that also put me at e-2 in that game came from opportunistic scum.

He just seems really tunnelled. Like Flow looked like town sorting feeling things out but Vanders seems to want to find someone to push.

And it was also rapid fire too.

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

Are you rolefishing me? I thought you didn’t read the setup?

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

Are you rolefishing me? I thought you didn’t read the setup?

Do you even understand the fn doesn’t have a hood?

[Loki Dokie]

bugs is there some reason you think I’m fn?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: bugspray

Looking for fn doesn’t exactly scream town to me.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

what are you referring to?

in post 10 where u just said something along the lines of if u should cc friendly neighbor or something

I don’t want to get into trouble if this is some other ongoing game but did bugs scumslip here?

[Loki Dokie]

@Vanders did you actually sr my playstyle or did you also think I’m fn?

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

Are you rolefishing me? I thought you didn’t read the setup?

i read the setup after you called me out
iu mean technically this is rolefishing

It read to me like you’re trying to gauge my reaction to find out if I’m fn or not, because why else would you even bring up fn?

[Loki Dokie]

oh fuck the fn just confirmes self not adds them to hood why isnt it called like flasher or something

I would not be opposed to “flasher”. lmaooo

[Loki Dokie]

That was e1 for a moment whew

put george at e-2 you cowards there's no danger

Oh nm, I misread this. So may not be connected but that fn thing is seriously weird regardless.

[Loki Dokie]

OOOHHH WAIT. I wanna talk about the slip I saw earlier

Please share, I think bugs may have just scumslipped. If so, is his buddy Vanders? I don’t think bugs/Robert makes sense. Also his tone was good.

rn, I’m thinking bugs/Vanders.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

Oh you’re right, bugs never actually said this. So it’s bugs/mo then and both of them scumslipped? That’s absolutely wild. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a double scumslip before ever.

[Loki Dokie]

I quoted the slip, it's what grandpa said

And we know it can’t be a hood slip because he already claimed neighbors with you.

If this game is truly over because both scum slipped, I’m nomming this for Kodak moment.

[Loki Dokie]

if they are both scum... I feel bad for bugs...

bugs shouldn’t have tried to rolefish me though. But yeah, had mo not already claimed neighbors with you, he’d have some wiggle room. I initially thought that involved some other game but we know bugs didn’t post that anywhere in the game thread.

So he was going to rolefish the fn and CC them? Well as soon as they flipped, it would have been game over. Scum!shelleyc did something like that to town I can’t remember who now - and they got flipped right after.

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so

if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

I’m sticking with this.

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so

if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

I’m sticking with this.

I can’t see why town makes this kind of post.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This is post #332.

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

And this is post #390.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

332 came first but 390 reads more rolefishy.

It’s hard to explain and you could still be right but bugs is known to scumslip in their scumgames.

When did they do the “townslip” thing before or after #390?

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

[Loki Dokie]

Day 1 ends in 13 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes

omg... can we decide before 2 weeks is up... thanks

hm idk why you are acting like this. you are acting different, i thought you would be open to what i said knowing you... honestly you could be scum. yes thats an omgus but coming from what vader said in the beginning on how that reaction could have been + this weird interaction you are speaking to me about which i still have no idea wtf you + loki r talking bout just seems weird. im not going to scumread tho rn

Both you and bugs referenced fn and it does look really sus. I’m torn because your tone is good but omgussing Andante for that makes no sense. It definitely looks suspicious. Irrespective of whether or not she’s right, how do you not see that?

[Loki Dokie]

whatever. bugs today you tomorrow.

VOTE: bugspray

so u think i will put myself in a risky sitatuion to bus, knwoing that you + loki will get me tmr? doesnt make sense. think pls

I don’t know about you but bugs suggesting I might be fn practically claim out of the blue. They never even expressed a tr on me prior to that.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

[Loki Dokie]

Day 1 ends in 13 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes

omg... can we decide before 2 weeks is up... thanks

hm idk why you are acting like this. you are acting different, i thought you would be open to what i said knowing you... honestly you could be scum. yes thats an omgus but coming from what vader said in the beginning on how that reaction could have been + this weird interaction you are speaking to me about which i still have no idea wtf you + loki r talking bout just seems weird. im not going to scumread tho rn

Both you and bugs referenced fn and it does look really sus. I’m torn because your tone is good but omgussing Andante for that makes no sense. It definitely looks suspicious. Irrespective of whether or not she’s right, how do you not see that?

im not completely sussing andante. look at where my vote is. im voting bugs. and andante is voting wit me and they think i would bus if i know that you + loki and whoever else will be on my ass tmr if it does flip scum. like what? nd yes im town. i never saw it because i was confused, i thought u loki were reacting to my fake claim of bugs scumslip in my neighborchat and that was my goal.. to get reactions. it worked out. i expected a better reaction from bugs honestly. but then i never saw the fishing or whatever u were vconversing bout wit to bugs until now.

I actually don’t think it looks like a bus. I can’t completely rule out a possible slip but bugs isn’t that terrible as scum to CC fn claim, so if they are in fact scum and actually said anything like that, it was probably a joke because CC a tpr role gets you speed elimed immediately following real fn flip, so I honestly don’t believe bugs would seriously do that - not this early unless they were scum dying and they weren’t in any danger prior to #332.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

Ehh felt like Grandpa has been trying to fish hoods/find FN, first tried on me, then bugs, and will likely keep up this "rxn test" until someone claims FN

Idk, maybe? but I think bugs’ scum quota is though the roof after #390. I’ve literally never seen bugs do such a blatant pocket in any game ever and never as town.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

Ehh felt like Grandpa has been trying to fish hoods/find FN, first tried on me, then bugs, and will likely keep up this "rxn test" until someone claims FN

WHY WOULD ANYONE CLAIM FN??? No one is that dumb enough. Are you really trying to test the integrity of this playerlist WTF. I did it because I knew FN is not dumb enough to claim Day 1 especially in this setup where FN is priroity and the only way to winning, after that is most likely associates and figuring out scum in hoods.

Of course no one would claim unless they were getting run up but that wouldn’t mean that scum couldn’t figure that out.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

Ehh felt like Grandpa has been trying to fish hoods/find FN, first tried on me, then bugs, and will likely keep up this "rxn test" until someone claims FN

WHY WOULD ANYONE CLAIM FN??? No one is that dumb enough. Are you really trying to test the integrity of this playerlist WTF. I did it because I knew FN is not dumb enough to claim Day 1 especially in this setup where FN is priroity and the only way to winning, after that is most likely associates and figuring out scum in hoods.

I'm just saying. it feels sus. you know I have a history of claiming PR with the slightest pressure, and I was the first you chose to "rxn test" fishy...

You were in that newbie game with mo, correct? I really didn’t read it but I think you were both town.

[Loki Dokie]

when you entered saying I claimed maf in the hood...

But he knows you can’t possibly be fn then. Scum has no reason to rolefish their neighbour. So if bugs is scum, he knows for certain two townies who can’t possibly be fn right?

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

Ehh felt like Grandpa has been trying to fish hoods/find FN, first tried on me, then bugs, and will likely keep up this "rxn test" until someone claims FN

WHY WOULD ANYONE CLAIM FN??? No one is that dumb enough. Are you really trying to test the integrity of this playerlist WTF. I did it because I knew FN is not dumb enough to claim Day 1 especially in this setup where FN is priroity and the only way to winning, after that is most likely associates and figuring out scum in hoods.

Of course no one would claim unless they were getting run up but that wouldn’t mean that scum couldn’t figure that out.

they wouldn't because they wouldnt claim. andante's logic was that FN would have outted and claimed and etc not deciphering thru slips, tmi, or whatever there is to pr read

Fn could possibly conceivably slip that. That’s what rolefishing is. You don’t rolefish to get an actual claim but reaction test to find out - in this particular case - who’s the fn.

I don’t know what you’re doing but I would be extremely shocked if bugs didn’t straight up try to rolefish me. However, while its conceivable that Andante could be right about you bugs being SvS, I think it’s probably more anti-associative, probably because I don’t think bugs would actually say that unless it was closer to elo or they were getting run up or it was a joke.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you're trying to fish FN out right now

any expierenced player should know not to say anything. also i think optimal play for mafia is actually NOT to kill fn i believe

Why? They are the only role that can be confirmed without a flip. Town only gets confirmed if their hood partner’s scum and they get flipped.

yea bout wouldn't be optimal for mafia to go for neighbor then ... oh wait this isnt lovers. neighbors dont both die if one dies?

This might actually be a an actual townslip, idk but bugs post to me also seemed really off. I highly doubt that unless bugs and you are actually buddies and you actually did slip, that bugs would be dumb enough to CC fn claim though. shelleyc got the actual fn speed elimed by fakeclaiming doc and was elimed the following day.

Ehh felt like Grandpa has been trying to fish hoods/find FN, first tried on me, then bugs, and will likely keep up this "rxn test" until someone claims FN

WHY WOULD ANYONE CLAIM FN??? No one is that dumb enough. Are you really trying to test the integrity of this playerlist WTF. I did it because I knew FN is not dumb enough to claim Day 1 especially in this setup where FN is priroity and the only way to winning, after that is most likely associates and figuring out scum in hoods.

I'm just saying. it feels sus. you know I have a history of claiming PR with the slightest pressure, and I was the first you chose to "rxn test" fishy...

You were in that newbie game with mo, correct? I really didn’t read it but I think you were both town.

yes we were both town. and in fact, i was the only one defending him as town and in fact they flipped town. ik why they are acting this specific way especially with the demeanor change in open809. but i dont think we can talk bout that since andante is still not dead. but i am and i flipped town in that

Okay, oops I thought it had ended.

[Loki Dokie]

when you entered saying I claimed maf in the hood...

But he knows you can’t possibly be fn then. Scum has no reason to rolefish their neighbour. So if bugs is scum, he knows for certain two townies who can’t possibly be fn right?

this was never real... look at what i said

im confused why you are taking memes as hypotheticals lol.

I’m starting a fact. You obviously know your neighbor can’t be fn. Town neighbor only knows one player who can’t be, scum knows two and actual fn knows neither.

[Loki Dokie]

i litherally thought we had a role that functioned as neighborizer and not friendly neighbor. read my post i even said add me to your hood

You have never before played in a game with an fn mechanic? I can check that you know.

[Loki Dokie]

UNVOTE:

for now.

If bugs is telling the truth than idk.

If bugs and mo are both town, then I could possibly see Vanders and Robert as buddies, since he called Vanders a “scumbag” and tried to push us together as a team. That’s something I’ve seen scum do a lot, try to miselim a townie as their partner’s buddy.

So, if Vanders flips scum, Robert could be possible buddy.

[Loki Dokie]

I think both scum can be in bugs, mo, Vanders, Robert, GB. I think Andante is really obvious town. She really seems to believe what she’s been saying. Hopkirk is town by meta. Flow still looks good

So, the question is if both bugs/mo are actually telling the truth or not. Outside of that, Vanders still pings me the hardest.

[Loki Dokie]

can i say that its obvious who the neighbors are lmfao. like i have 2 in mind and its suprisingly obsious the more i think bout it. or is that tmi

How is that obvious? We only know of two because you outed yours.

[Loki Dokie]

is vanders at e2 now? you could put that slot at e1 if you're confident it's scum because if there's a yolohammer and it flips green that's gonna look bad for the hammerer

There’s a few slots I don’t like.

[Loki Dokie]

since he called Vanders a “scumbag” and tried to push us together as a team.

I literally said I have no idea who the teams are.

You claimed that both me and Vanders are your strongest srs which makes absolutely no sense. I honestly don’t believe anyone in their right mind could honestly read our interactions and think scum theatre.

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh I'm not sure I can explain why I think Loki Dokie is scum very well, but I'll try. I feel like his pushes are artificial. They're superficial, aggressive, but unfocused. A buckshot approach.

Vanderscamp is scum for the same reason.

So you think it's Loki and Vander?

Like it’s insulting enough to badly read me but this is beyond insane.

You sure are touchy about a nobody player calling you scummy on page 14 during day 1.

You got that right. Is that all you have to say to me?

[Loki Dokie]

I'm gonna say bugspray is probably town. Maybe even Loki, actually, in a "username checks out" kind of way.

What about my username? I have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Loki Dokie I'm on p.7, this player is scum.

Are you trolling or are you scum with this. This could possibly be one of the two scums. At least Vanders provided a reason even if dead wrong,

Did you roll scum Robert?

Thanks for the reminder I called Loki scum on page 7 and not page 14, and they're still salty.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[Loki Dokie]

Vote Count 1.4

bugspray

(3): Hopkirk, GrandpaMo, Andante

Andante

(1): Vanderscamp

Robert M Hunter

(1): flow trap

Vanderscamp

(1): bugspray

Loki Dokie

(1): Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(2): GeorgeBailey, Loki Dokie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 17:50:00)

I thought Vanders was at e - 2.

[Loki Dokie]

So how does this work.

Say I think my partner is scum. What is the strategy here.

You should probably out them in that case, because if you’re right, then you’re spewed confitown after their flip.

[Loki Dokie]

I think both scum can be in bugs, mo, Vanders, Robert, GB. I think Andante is really obvious town. She really seems to believe what she’s been saying. Hopkirk is town by meta. Flow still looks good

So, the question is if both bugs/mo are actually telling the truth or not. Outside of that, Vanders still pings me the hardest.

is my meta really that obvious? oof.

So how does this work.

Say I think my partner is scum. What is the strategy here.

step 1 - vote them without making this comment beforehand
step 2 -invent time travel

Well, you’re also pretty townie by play as well.

[Loki Dokie]

tbh Robert outing their hoodmate, which they think is scum, might make me sr robert more. but there can only at most be 1 scum in that hood...

It depends if they’re right. If you’re town neighbor who doesn’t sr your partner, you obviously should not out them. Problem is if all hoods out, then scum can figure out who’s fn but I actually think it’s easier to get good read on one’s neighbor.

[Loki Dokie]

Robert seems marginally more town than when he was scum last game.

Link?

[Loki Dokie]

Because you seem to be simultaneously arguing that it's in your town range to react poorly to pressure, but also that it is not reasonable for me (who has never played with you) to scum read you for reacting poorly to pressure.

How do those contradict each other?

If he thinks that it is scummy to be suspicious of people who are giving shit defences, then it is not a contradiction, but this is not a thing that anyone thinks.
I still don't know why I am supposed to be scum in his eyes other than that I'm pushing on him and he knows that he's town.
Loki did pretty much the same thing but he at least didn't do it scummily.

I’m trying to figure out if you were genuinely sorting or you just found someone you viewed as more miselimable?

[Loki Dokie]

yeah jk, vander is town

Why?

[Loki Dokie]

I think I agree with Robert scum. I see no actual scumhunting effort from him, and a lot of his posts feel very fillery

I have no clue about that slot but I see the filtery thing. They could be scum but I really can’t tell. I did think he was trying to sort me albeit whining about my being “salty”.

My main concern with him is he hasn’t explained anything. Why did he initially think I was scum and why did he change that read? Why is he sr his neighbor? He really hasn’t explained any of that.

@Robert if you’re town, can you explain your reasoning for any of this?

He did sort of give a reason for his change on me although I’m still not exactly clear on what that is.

[Loki Dokie]

What is the reasoning behind keeping the neighbors secret?

Have you read the setup? Between you and bugs, my head is spinning.

[Loki Dokie]

What is the reasoning behind keeping the neighbors secret?

because you would out the FN. FN is the only one who isn't in a neighbor. scum already know 2 ppl that isn't FN... have u read anything of what loki said?

I mean, I feel like odds are real high scum will also know FN, like, say I was FN, I tell you, you say in your hood that I'm FN, both of you know, and if either are scum I'd be dead

but still, lets not out hoods today!! we'll see where we're at tomorrow

Idk about that, I played a similar game but it had different tprs and scum didn’t figure it out until much later but yeah, this is why we shouldn’t out hoods.

Possible exception is if you’re town getting run up and are extremely convinced your neighbor isn’t. Otherwise bad idea.

[Loki Dokie]

not outing who just yet. i will see where the current pace of the game is going at till i make that choice

How can we take seriously anything you’ve said so far in this game? First you claim Andante is your neighbor who confessed to being scum, then the weird bugs’ fake fn CC thing and now this. You have done so much gambiting so far in this game, I honestly can’t tell when or what your saying is on the level or not.

[Loki Dokie]

Because you seem to be simultaneously arguing that it's in your town range to react poorly to pressure, but also that it is not reasonable for me (who has never played with you) to scum read you for reacting poorly to pressure.

How do those contradict each other?

If he thinks that it is scummy to be suspicious of people who are giving shit defences, then it is not a contradiction, but this is not a thing that anyone thinks.
I still don't know why I am supposed to be scum in his eyes other than that I'm pushing on him and he knows that he's town.
Loki did pretty much the same thing but he at least didn't do it scummily.

why was the way loki did it townier?

Loki seems to genuinely believe that I am a terrible player for thinking that he could be scum here.
It's possible that he's just an arrogant scum who believes he's played perfectly, so he's not overly towny, it's more that andante's method has been very scummy.
He has basically given no satisfactory reason why he retaliated me for it, and he's seemed fairly hesitant to talk with me about it.

No, I think it’s “terrible” your reasoning for both sr me and Andante. You may possibly be right about the “arrogant” part but obviously not the alignment.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Loki Dokie I'm on p.7, this player is scum.

Are you trolling or are you scum with this. This could possibly be one of the two scums. At least Vanders provided a reason even if dead wrong,

Did you roll scum Robert?

As a general rule I really do encourage not blanket scum reading every player who gives a negative read on you

I don’t if they give me other reasons to tr them but until then they’re default scum to me if they push me for reasons I dislike.

[Loki Dokie]

That was e1 for a moment whew

But you were fine when it was GB though.

gb was never e1

No but you were trying to get him there, so why the completely different reaction on Vanders?

Both of you pushing me, both I’m sus on. Could that be a total coincidence?

It's not a coincidence, you are scum reading everyone who reads you as scum.
I'm not even pushing you anymore.

You just contradicted yourself then with this because according to what you’re saying, I ought to be tr you if this theory is correct and I’m not.

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

VOTE: bugspray
I think this slot is scummier than andante now.

Grandpa(?)'a comment about andante saying "he knows how to read me" being more likely to come from town also holds some weight with this decision.

And this is one reason why, I don’t agree with the reasons you had for sr Andante. Bugspray can extremely scummy as either alignment. They’re a slot I wouldn’t want to rush to judgment on.

[Loki Dokie]

@Vanders did you actually sr my playstyle or did you also think I’m fn?

I don't know what fn means, I think the stuff I thought was scummy from you is what I perceive to be your playstyle and not your alignment.

Friendly Neighbor

Why because I in your view react badly to being sr? Whoever scum is is probably trying to find the fn, so I thought that a reasonable question considering you did put me to e - 2, which put me close to the point where I might reasonably claim.

[Loki Dokie]

Robert seems marginally more town than when he was scum last game.

Link?

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=86410

Interesting, he’s still nai for me.

[Loki Dokie]

I think bugspray has been quite scummy, mostly from the posts I have quoted.

I think andante showed a very genuine town passion where he thought he found a slip by grandpa and bugspray.

I think grandpa reacted pretty badly to andante's pressure, the whole thing felt like awkward damage control rather than the confidence I would have expected from him as town. I think grandpa started bussing bugspray for damage control.
I really did not like the arguments from grandpa about if he's mafia, he can't be scum with bugspray because he was voting him.
Clearly if he thinks that he should obviously never be mafia together from the way they have played, then if they are scum together it would be a pretty good strategy to start bussing and try to salvage the game.

Robert is not super town but last game he was pretty obviously scum and he is not that here.
I want to flip bugspray, if he flips scum, instantly flip grandpa tomorrow, and then if that doesn't win, go from there.

First post of yours I haven’t actually hated.

[Loki Dokie]

@mod is it possible for both scum neighbors to be in the same hood and then every other hood is pure town?

This question may be answered by reading the setup information.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

I could see that. I initially liked mo but he has been declining and his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one because it just seemed to come out of nowhere and unlike Robert there was literally no basis for it.

And now Vanders is telling me that it’s a bad reason to sr slots who sr me. That’s freaking hilarious.

I hope you weren’t trying to pocket me earlier but I have a weak gut tl on you now and I definitely could see that. I had that same initial concern with Robert when he initially claimed me and Vanders were his strongest srs but he wasn’t hard trying to drive an elim on me.

[Loki Dokie]

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

Bugs is town.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

Nothing I've said can be construed as an attempt to give grandpa towncred if you flip town.

I don't care whether or not you two are pushing on each other in ways that are easy to do as scum partners.

I think you are very scummy, you have not done anything that sounds genuine or towny and you have made multiple posts that are very strange.
I'm not at all convinced by you and grandpa telling us how you obviously can not be together.

Bugs is town.

[Loki Dokie]

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

So I'll talk about what actually happened in the thread, because this summary is fairly misleading.

I open by saying the same thing I always say in chats similar to these, which is that I'm not interested in using them since everything I have to say in there I can just say in the thread. Particularly in this chat, where bugspray's chances of being mafia are decently higher than of a random player.

Bugspray after this says it's ok if I don't trust them because they know I am town.

Bugspray then votes me, putting me at I think E-2, and I ask at some point in the chat after that why they are voting me if they know I am town (this is presumably what bugspray means about me trying to get them to unvote me)
Bugspray says some crap about it allowing me to prove myself as town and then says something about us being a masonry.
It's around this time I am getting pretty suspicious of bugspray because of the chat and lack of any towniness in the thread.

When I said I had no scum reads other than andante, I had bugspray as mild scum at that point, but it was mostly chat related and wanted to hold off on that.

Bugspray at this point in the thread says the line "why not put vanderscamp at e-1?" Or whatever it was, which I felt was exceptionally weird for someone who was claiming a townread on me, as well as the comment to Loki about the neighbor guy.
If bugspray was lying about townreading me, then sure, I guess it makes some sense, but I have no idea why townBugspray would even try that in the first place and then come to the conclusion that I'm super scummy from the neighbor chat, since I have never at any point called bugspray town in any way, or expressed interest in talking in the chat at all.
I checked just now and bugspray did say something about thinking mo was scum that I never even replied to.
It is extremely absurd for bugspray to think that that random comment to someone being extremely non-responsive in the chat in any way precludes them from being scum together.

It could possibly be tvt.

Hmm . . .

Idk anymore.

[Loki Dokie]

town players should never be reluctant to put their confident scum reads at e-1

If you have confident srs which I usually don’t on d1.

[Loki Dokie]

@bugs, @Vanders, can you paraphrase for us exactly your exchange in your hood? Thanks.

[Loki Dokie]

@bugspray, why do you think mo is scum?

[Loki Dokie]

aghhh Vanders... I'm literally town I think my neighbor is town too, they've been very towny in the hood, meaning only 1 other hood is town town, and 2 are town maf

I missed this post. Ignore what I said about tvt.

[Loki Dokie]

I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.

[Loki Dokie]

i sussed mo mostly because of weird early interactions with vander. i think catching partners early d1 is easiest because they are still in an awkward pahse where tyhey havent hit the right vibe to dance around in public

Yeah I missed Andante’s post and forgot that two players are mechanically confirmed to be scum.

So, I think I’m right. You and Vanders can’t mechanically be tvt and neither can Robert/mo. Yeah I figured it out.

[Loki Dokie]

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[Loki Dokie]

I say we lim Robert

Why Robert over mo?

But since I’m not completely sure between bugs and Vanders, probably good between them. I guess it’s between which ever one is scummier.

[Loki Dokie]

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

I'd be pretty careful about who you are calling bad or idiotic given you have failed to understand the "nuance" of something that I would have expected someone with no mafia experience to grasp.
I'm not scum reading you for not reading minds, I thought you were being overly serious regarding what andante was doing and your push on bugspray seems overly strong.

But you might be in luck regarding my vote now because grandpa seems scummier.

yesss the scumreads pog now explain to me why im scum

This could possibly be scum distancing.

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh I'm not sure I can explain why I think Loki Dokie is scum very well, but I'll try. I feel like his pushes are artificial. They're superficial, aggressive, but unfocused. A buckshot approach.

Vanderscamp is scum for the same reason.

So you think it's Loki and

Vander

?

It's page 14, but yes.

[Loki Dokie]

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

Actually if my solve is right, it points to Vanders because bugs would have to be suicidal scum here to hardpush his neighbor, whereas Vanders pushed bugs without outing it, which is also why I lean mo over Robert because Robert claimed the hood sr first.

I have not found anyone else sus outside of bugs/Vanders/Robert/mo. and they’ve all claimed hoods and sr their neighbor.

[Loki Dokie]

Where is Vanders at? I think I believe bugs because if Vanders flips town, they’re next.

[Loki Dokie]

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

So I'll talk about what actually happened in the thread, because this summary is fairly misleading.

I open by saying the same thing I always say in chats similar to these, which is that I'm not interested in using them since everything I have to say in there I can just say in the thread. Particularly in this chat, where bugspray's chances of being mafia are decently higher than of a random player.

Bugspray after this says it's ok if I don't trust them because they know I am town.

Bugspray then votes me, putting me at I think E-2, and I ask at some point in the chat after that why they are voting me if they know I am town (this is presumably what bugspray means about me trying to get them to unvote me)
Bugspray says some crap about it allowing me to prove myself as town and then says something about us being a masonry.
It's around this time I am getting pretty suspicious of bugspray because of the chat and lack of any towniness in the thread.

When I said I had no scum reads other than andante, I had bugspray as mild scum at that point, but it was mostly chat related and wanted to hold off on that.

Bugspray at this point in the thread says the line "why not put vanderscamp at e-1?" Or whatever it was, which I felt was exceptionally weird for someone who was claiming a townread on me, as well as the comment to Loki about the neighbor guy.
If bugspray was lying about townreading me, then sure, I guess it makes some sense, but I have no idea why townBugspray would even try that in the first place and then come to the conclusion that I'm super scummy from the neighbor chat, since I have never at any point called bugspray town in any way, or expressed interest in talking in the chat at all.

I checked just now and bugspray did say something about thinking mo was scum that I never even replied to.

It is extremely absurd for bugspray to think that that random comment to someone being extremely non-responsive in the chat in any way precludes them from being scum together.

Why didn’t you reply to what bugs said about mo?

[Loki Dokie]

I'm gonna say bugspray is probably town. Maybe even Loki, actually, in a "username checks out" kind of way.

This is generally not something someone says about a buddy. Robert/bugs unlikely SvS.

[Loki Dokie]

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

I think bugs is probably right. Robert really hasn’t been scummy and if he’s scum it’s not with bugs. So Robert if scum, can only be scum with Vanders but I really don’t think so. I think it probably is Vanders/mo.

[Loki Dokie]

So how does this work.

Say I think my partner is scum. What is the strategy here.

What is the reasoning behind keeping the neighbors secret?

What is the reasoning behind keeping the neighbors secret?

because you would out the FN. FN is the only one who isn't in a neighbor. scum already know 2 ppl that isn't FN... have u read anything of what loki said?

I mean, I feel like odds are real high scum will also know FN, like, say I was FN, I tell you, you say in your hood that I'm FN, both of you know, and if either are scum I'd be dead

but still, lets not out hoods today!! we'll see where we're at tomorrow

my hood partner could be scum now ngl

not outing who just yet. i will see where the current pace of the game is going at till i make that choice

[Loki Dokie]

I'm making my catch up post but I really have to say, can ya'll please stop outing your hoods D1? It singles out the TFN and only helps scum right now.

I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.

Mo made it obvious because no one outside that group of four has been remotely scummy.

[Loki Dokie]

We know hoods aren’t flipped, so scum can easily miselim their neighbor and get away with it

unless it’s claimed

.

If a scum neighbor flips, then we can have a confitown in the surviving neighbor. That’s why I’ve been saying unless you’re confident you’re neighbor’s scum or they’re scum running you up, you should obviously not claim but if Vanders flips scum, we then have confitown!bugs.

[Loki Dokie]

We know hoods aren’t flipped, so scum can easily miselim their neighbor and get away with it

unless it’s claimed

.

If a scum neighbor flips, then we can have a confitown in the surviving neighbor. That’s why I’ve been saying unless you’re confident you’re neighbor’s scum or they’re scum running you up, you should obviously not claim but if Vanders flips scum, we then have confitown!bugs.

and of course vice-versa.

[Loki Dokie]

I'm making my catch up post but I really have to say, can ya'll please stop outing your hoods D1? It singles out the TFN and only helps scum right now.

I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.

Mo made it obvious because no one outside that group of four has been remotely scummy.

I mean, even so... we shouldn't be outing our hood reads...

There is no one else mo could have possibly been referring to other than Robert. Because no one outside that group of four has done anything suspicious. I still think it’s mo over Robert though.

[Loki Dokie]

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

think bout it... if i was in a hotbox wit bugs earlier on how everyone was saying i was paired wit bugs... why am i voting them rn to get the pressure onto me tmr and if yall vote me tmr, the game ends in your perspective. why would i do this as mafia. again, vote logic contradicts here.

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

there is no towncred given because we aren't alligned. if vander is saying it will flip scum and you flip scum >>> votes/pressure on me. if you flip town >>> im still scum by other means of interaction with andante and loki. no reason for vander to play it out like that as scum.

not outing who just yet. i will see where the current pace of the game is going at till i make that choice

How can we take seriously anything you’ve said so far in this game? First you claim Andante is your neighbor who confessed to being scum, then the weird bugs’ fake fn CC thing and now this. You have done so much gambiting so far in this game, I honestly can’t tell when or what your saying is on the level or not.

ok this post actually pisses me off because you are literally taking everything out of context a it feels like you havent read anything. i will say this again... the andante thing was my rvs enterance. andante should know this.,.. andante never had a problem with it right after i explained what happened. pls look at post 186-189 and 191. me in 191 saying hi to andante. why would i do this if there is a neighbor chat SUPPOSEDLY with them. then look at the interaction wit me and anadnte right after. plus you never bring this convo up until later when the bugs thing happened. look at 206 - 224. nothing wrong here. andante even TOWNREAD me BTW! there hasn't been any hoppity hop. i am not just gonna act anti town for any reason and throw the game by not outting yk the partner when is necessary but we can't even do that because it outs the FN!

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

I could see that. I initially liked mo but he has been declining and his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one because it just seemed to come out of nowhere and unlike Robert there was literally no basis for it.

And now Vanders is telling me that it’s a bad reason to sr slots who sr me. That’s freaking hilarious.

I hope you weren’t trying to pocket me earlier but I have a weak gut tl on you now and I definitely could see that. I had that same initial concern with Robert when he initially claimed me and Vanders were his strongest srs but he wasn’t hard trying to drive an elim on me.

really?... out of all the reasons you choose "his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one" out of the all the reasons that i could have been "declining" you chose a random vote in which was to drive the game into pressure. just look at post 329 where i said:

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

ok again you vote me for something that was just utter not scum indicitive imo. you say i was just rolefishing however you should know that (i even explained this) me and andante had a past before and i was expecting everything to be fine. "i think since andante is clearly not your neighbor" wtf quote is that.... YES I OUT MY NEIGHBOR FRAME ONE /s damn. also another playstyle is to fake neighborhood btw and that was lowkey was tryna do but then andante didn't get the point but its fine because we are all in neighbors and mafia still doesn't what neighbor anadnte is in or what neighbor i am in. and both me and andante could be in hoods that are both tvt and mafia would obviously know that but it wouldn't make sense. again rvs vote... this was my enterence.. you are just over thinking this ngl. if you dont think bugs is scum anymore, then who do u think my partner is LOL

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

I'd be pretty careful about who you are calling bad or idiotic given you have failed to understand the "nuance" of something that I would have expected someone with no mafia experience to grasp.
I'm not scum reading you for not reading minds, I thought you were being overly serious regarding what andante was doing and your push on bugspray seems overly strong.

But you might be in luck regarding my vote now because grandpa seems scummier.

yesss the scumreads pog now explain to me why im scum

This could possibly be scum distancing.

i believe that this is confirmation bias because i do that as well... where you put a scumread on me then you try to iso and stuff and you find stuff now that can make the person look scummy; either as scum or town. now i will ask u this, have you checked my previous games? i do this literally every game when someone just puts a scumread on me for no reasoning and thats what vander did. no reason to distance as scum... optimal play for scum is to become more alligned imo to fake neighborhood i think. ur buddy bugs contradicts ur logic because they think we are alligned wit the weird towny thing.

I'm making my catch up post but I really have to say, can ya'll please stop outing your hoods D1? It singles out the TFN and only helps scum right now.

I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.

Mo made it obvious because no one outside that group of four has been remotely scummy.

i didnt make anything obvious. that is YOU. how you think and what your persepcitve is telling you. not other people and maybe NOT even mafia knows yet but thru this quote u make it more obvious urself so u become hypocritical.

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I said that after the bugs ccing FN shenanigans... Grandpa is only trying to fish

at least andante brings up the bugs thing while loki hasnt and thats the fishy thing. pun intended. anyways, you should know andante like i already explained and clearly made it clear on what my intentions... again why would i say clearly "wrong chat" that means it wasn't ever intended for scum pt. i think you flipped ur narrative 2 or 3 times either thinking i slipped for scum or made it where i was trying to rolefish. trying to fish is DIFFERENT then me slipping as you say. and thats why i was confused thru out the whole interaction because both of you were saying two different things and hopkirk even said i was be town if i slipped or sum shit.

Out of everyone in the game, I have the most trouble understanding your posts.

[Loki Dokie]

Mo, I said I was most suspicious of Vanders. I didn’t agree that Andante’s reaction was “scummier” than mine. We essentially said pretty much the same thing.

[Loki Dokie]

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

fair enough. still could have checked if i was new tho!

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

u rlly did smh im still mad its okie tho<3

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

I'd 100% think that. you have no idea the kinds of accusations people have been throwing at me lately in games, it's usually how I end up claiming so fast most games :/

lol ur so right. our first game sheeshhhh!

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

i am actually going to give vander townpings for this. this is actually towny because i had the same thought about andante and i genuinely did expect a better reaction from andante especially considering it was me LOL. and i was even gonna point out "bad rxn" but i gave andante another chance without the pressure. but having that same intuitive thought as me eh i can see why vander is in a town mindset

I've told you. I hate any number of votes on me always. it's the exact same thing... I was caught off guard for grandpa

caught offgaurd by me? smh! shame on you.

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

Why would anyone think that a player that got rapid fire votes to e - 2 in a 9 player game “needed more pressure”? And you based your vote on me because you liked Andante’s answer which has what to do with me anyway?

I don’t believe your reason for voting me here and yes, that was the most suspicious vote on me. Vanders putting me to e - 2 is second.

Look at this pattern. You and Vanders are pushing/voting the same slots: me/Andante/bugs. That can’t be a total coincidence.

[Loki Dokie]

at least one scum in {loki, vander, mo}

Spoiler:

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

fair enough. still could have checked if i was new tho!

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

u rlly did smh im still mad its okie tho<3

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

I'd 100% think that. you have no idea the kinds of accusations people have been throwing at me lately in games, it's usually how I end up claiming so fast most games :/

lol ur so right. our first game sheeshhhh!

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

i am actually going to give vander townpings for this. this is actually towny because i had the same thought about andante and i genuinely did expect a better reaction from andante especially considering it was me LOL. and i was even gonna point out "bad rxn" but i gave andante another chance without the pressure. but having that same intuitive thought as me eh i can see why vander is in a town mindset

I've told you. I hate any number of votes on me always. it's the exact same thing... I was caught off guard for grandpa

caught offgaurd by me? smh! shame on you.

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

Why would anyone think that a player that got rapid fire votes to e - 2 in a 9 player game “needed more pressure”? And you based your vote on me because you liked Andante’s answer which has what to do with me anyway?

I don’t believe your reason for voting me here and yes, that was the most suspicious vote on me. Vanders putting me to e - 2 is second.

Look at this pattern. You and Vanders are pushing/voting the same slots: me/Andante/bugs. That can’t be a total coincidence.[/quote]

huh. first of all u werent in e-2 LOL.

second, i townread andante. im sorta townleaning you and only person i had a scumread on bugs hence the vote. and im still going thru posts to determine if i change my vote or stay my vote as like i siad to bugs i would[/quote]

I was at e - 2 in a game with 5 needed to elim. You’re completely ignoring reality now.

I’m starting to wonder if I was wrong on Vanders but this bs pressure thing is seriously scummy.

[Loki Dokie]

at least one scum in {loki, vander, mo}

this is proof you just ignored my post.

my vote will now stay on you.

Once again bs voting me by quoting someone else.

[Loki Dokie]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Look mo, I don’t want to get toxic but I had three votes on me in rapid succession which put me to e - 2. And now you’re calling me a liar for saying that.

[Loki Dokie]

Vote Count 1.3

Vanderscamp

(3): Loki Dokie, Andante, bugspray

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Robert M Hunter

(1): flow trap

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(1): GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 17:50:00)

U WERENT ON E-2 WHAT R U ON ABOUT

Read the game. Flow voted me, then bugs, then Vanders. Just because Koba didn’t put into the VC doesn’t mean that didn’t happen.

[Loki Dokie]

And that is what I have literally have been saying for the past 5 times when you and andante kept referencing that "slip" or whatever the fuck yall called it. And you get to call me scum. But yes I vote my partner who in this case will flip scum in your perspective and that would make me look scum. I could have obviously directed it to another vote but what would I be gaining from just bussing if I were scum? Nothing. I thought you knew I had my vote on bugs the whole time.

Sorry, I thought you had re-voted me, so my theory is obviously wrong then.

[Loki Dokie]

loki is so town

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

at least one scum in {loki, vander, mo}

Losing my tr on bugs now.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

think bout it... if i was in a hotbox wit bugs earlier on how everyone was saying i was paired wit bugs... why am i voting them rn to get the pressure onto me tmr and if yall vote me tmr, the game ends in your perspective. why would i do this as mafia. again, vote logic contradicts here.

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

there is no towncred given because we aren't alligned. if vander is saying it will flip scum and you flip scum >>> votes/pressure on me. if you flip town >>> im still scum by other means of interaction with andante and loki. no reason for vander to play it out like that as scum.

not outing who just yet. i will see where the current pace of the game is going at till i make that choice

How can we take seriously anything you’ve said so far in this game? First you claim Andante is your neighbor who confessed to being scum, then the weird bugs’ fake fn CC thing and now this. You have done so much gambiting so far in this game, I honestly can’t tell when or what your saying is on the level or not.

ok this post actually pisses me off because you are literally taking everything out of context a it feels like you havent read anything. i will say this again... the andante thing was my rvs enterance. andante should know this.,.. andante never had a problem with it right after i explained what happened. pls look at post 186-189 and 191. me in 191 saying hi to andante. why would i do this if there is a neighbor chat SUPPOSEDLY with them. then look at the interaction wit me and anadnte right after. plus you never bring this convo up until later when the bugs thing happened. look at 206 - 224. nothing wrong here. andante even TOWNREAD me BTW! there hasn't been any hoppity hop. i am not just gonna act anti town for any reason and throw the game by not outting yk the partner when is necessary but we can't even do that because it outs the FN!

LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???

This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this

LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.

If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip

My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.

Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners

I could see that. I initially liked mo but he has been declining and his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one because it just seemed to come out of nowhere and unlike Robert there was literally no basis for it.

And now Vanders is telling me that it’s a bad reason to sr slots who sr me. That’s freaking hilarious.

I hope you weren’t trying to pocket me earlier but I have a weak gut tl on you now and I definitely could see that. I had that same initial concern with Robert when he initially claimed me and Vanders were his strongest srs but he wasn’t hard trying to drive an elim on me.

really?... out of all the reasons you choose "his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one" out of the all the reasons that i could have been "declining" you chose a random vote in which was to drive the game into pressure. just look at post 329 where i said:

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

ok again you vote me for something that was just utter not scum indicitive imo. you say i was just rolefishing however you should know that (i even explained this) me and andante had a past before and i was expecting everything to be fine. "i think since andante is clearly not your neighbor" wtf quote is that.... YES I OUT MY NEIGHBOR FRAME ONE /s damn. also another playstyle is to fake neighborhood btw and that was lowkey was tryna do but then andante didn't get the point but its fine because we are all in neighbors and mafia still doesn't what neighbor anadnte is in or what neighbor i am in. and both me and andante could be in hoods that are both tvt and mafia would obviously know that but it wouldn't make sense. again rvs vote... this was my enterence.. you are just over thinking this ngl. if you dont think bugs is scum anymore, then who do u think my partner is LOL

No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.

I'd be pretty careful about who you are calling bad or idiotic given you have failed to understand the "nuance" of something that I would have expected someone with no mafia experience to grasp.
I'm not scum reading you for not reading minds, I thought you were being overly serious regarding what andante was doing and your push on bugspray seems overly strong.

But you might be in luck regarding my vote now because grandpa seems scummier.

yesss the scumreads pog now explain to me why im scum

This could possibly be scum distancing.

i believe that this is confirmation bias because i do that as well... where you put a scumread on me then you try to iso and stuff and you find stuff now that can make the person look scummy; either as scum or town. now i will ask u this, have you checked my previous games? i do this literally every game when someone just puts a scumread on me for no reasoning and thats what vander did. no reason to distance as scum... optimal play for scum is to become more alligned imo to fake neighborhood i think. ur buddy bugs contradicts ur logic because they think we are alligned wit the weird towny thing.

I'm making my catch up post but I really have to say, can ya'll please stop outing your hoods D1? It singles out the TFN and only helps scum right now.

I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.

Mo made it obvious because no one outside that group of four has been remotely scummy.

i didnt make anything obvious. that is YOU. how you think and what your persepcitve is telling you. not other people and maybe NOT even mafia knows yet but thru this quote u make it more obvious urself so u become hypocritical.

ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me

VOTE: andante

I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I said that after the bugs ccing FN shenanigans... Grandpa is only trying to fish

at least andante brings up the bugs thing while loki hasnt and thats the fishy thing. pun intended. anyways, you should know andante like i already explained and clearly made it clear on what my intentions... again why would i say clearly "wrong chat" that means it wasn't ever intended for scum pt. i think you flipped ur narrative 2 or 3 times either thinking i slipped for scum or made it where i was trying to rolefish. trying to fish is DIFFERENT then me slipping as you say. and thats why i was confused thru out the whole interaction because both of you were saying two different things and hopkirk even said i was be town if i slipped or sum shit.

Out of everyone in the game, I have the most trouble understanding your posts.

it's not even that hard to follow.. i literally give it in baby steps. stop giving excuses to yourself for not reading.[/quote]

Being mean doesn’t make your posts any clearer.

[Loki Dokie]

Vote Count 1.3

Vanderscamp

(3): Loki Dokie, Andante, bugspray

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Robert M Hunter

(1): flow trap

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(1): GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 17:50:00)

U WERENT ON E-2 WHAT R U ON ABOUT

Read the game. Flow voted me, then bugs, then Vanders. Just because Koba didn’t put into the VC doesn’t mean that didn’t happen.

I'm using an automated vote tracker, and mispelled names can mess with it, sorry if there's any errors, let me manually verify the votes.

Oh Idk but I’ll watch my spelling just in case.

[Loki Dokie]

UNVOTE: Loki Dokie

I think grandpa is less scummy now that it seems like he was not actually serious about thinking andante was scum from his claim

lmao what did I claim?? I didn't out my neighbor, I'm pretty dang sure

Yeah, I don't really care whether you actually claimed it or not given grandpa was not serious.
VOTE: andante because you care too much about telling us that you did not claim mafia.

u come off e-2 here

Vote Count 1.2

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Vanderscamp

(2): Loki Dokie, Andante

Hopkirk

(1): Robert M Hunter

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): bugspray

Not Voting

(2): flow trap, GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

VOTE: Loki Dokie I'm on p.7, this player is scum.

robert votes u , bugs hops of u.

Vote Count 1.3

Vanderscamp

(3): Loki Dokie, Andante, bugspray

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Robert M Hunter

(1): flow trap

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(1): GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 17:50:00)

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

now i vote u right after the vc happens look at that only robert is voting u and vander was in a more hot stake than u

pls

Stop with this, it’s really upsetting me. I had three votes on me at once. If you refuse to reread the game and attempt to verify this, that’s on you not me.

It’s really pissing me off that you are wrongly accusing of something that you could easily verify if you wanted to.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki, thoughts on any of my posts I addressed to you?

I’m rethinking my reads now. I don’t like bugs’ progression on me if they really believed in their read on you. @bugs if I’m scum who is my buddy then?

I don’t believe you think I can be aligned with either Vanders or mo so I’m kind’ve of sus on that now.

[Loki Dokie]

UNVOTE:

for now. I’m feeling somewhat paranoid that I’m somehow being setup by either bugs or mo, if not both.

[Loki Dokie]

UNVOTE:

for now. I’m feeling somewhat paranoid that I’m somehow being setup by either bugs or mo, if not both.

If it is exactly bugs/mo then one of us could possibly be being setup up as the buddy of either. If bugs is scum here, then flipping on me here is a huge mistake. But I’m done defending them.

[Loki Dokie]

If you’re going to straight up gaslight me, I will be ignoring your posts. I already told you just because Koba didn’t put it into the VC didn’t mean what I’m saying didn’t happen.

ISO Flow, bugs and Vanders and this will be obvious. I’m not debating reality with you.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: Loki Dokie

I think grandpa is less scummy now that it seems like he was not actually serious about thinking andante was scum from his claim

lmao what did I claim?? I didn't out my neighbor, I'm pretty dang sure

Yeah, I don't really care whether you actually claimed it or not given grandpa was not serious.
VOTE: andante because you care too much about telling us that you did not claim mafia.

u come off e-2 here

Vote Count 1.2

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Vanderscamp

(2): Loki Dokie, Andante

Hopkirk

(1): Robert M Hunter

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): bugspray

Not Voting

(2): flow trap, GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

VOTE: Loki Dokie I'm on p.7, this player is scum.

robert votes u , bugs hops of u.

Vote Count 1.3

Vanderscamp

(3): Loki Dokie, Andante, bugspray

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Robert M Hunter

(1): flow trap

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(1): GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 17:50:00)

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

now i vote u right after the vc happens look at that only robert is voting u and vander was in a more hot stake than u

pls

Stop with this, it’s really upsetting me. I had three votes on me at once. If you refuse to reread the game and attempt to verify this, that’s on you not me.

It’s really pissing me off that you are wrongly accusing of something that you could easily verify if you wanted to.

yes u did have three votes on you but all those votes pivoted and i provided proof !! please read!![/quote]


I didn’t say there were three votes on me now, I said I was at e - 2 at one point, so you’re “pressure voting” post made absolutely no sense. The fact that I didn’t happen to be at e - 2 at the time you voted me, doesn’t cancel that out.

@mod, wtf is happening with my posts?

[Loki Dokie]

I didn’t say there were three votes on me now, I said I was at e - 2 at one point, so you’re “pressure voting” post made absolutely no sense. The fact that I didn’t happen to be at e - 2 at the time you voted me, doesn’t cancel that out.

@mod, wtf is happening with my posts?

I don’t know what is happening to my posts but it seems to happen every time I’ve recently responded to a long post.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

fair enough. still could have checked if i was new tho!

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

u rlly did smh im still mad its okie tho<3

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

I'd 100% think that. you have no idea the kinds of accusations people have been throwing at me lately in games, it's usually how I end up claiming so fast most games :/

lol ur so right. our first game sheeshhhh!

i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD

No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.

Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance

I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?

i am actually going to give vander townpings for this. this is actually towny because i had the same thought about andante and i genuinely did expect a better reaction from andante especially considering it was me LOL. and i was even gonna point out "bad rxn" but i gave andante another chance without the pressure. but having that same intuitive thought as me eh i can see why vander is in a town mindset

I've told you. I hate any number of votes on me always. it's the exact same thing... I was caught off guard for grandpa

caught offgaurd by me? smh! shame on you.

also i agree with this. this needs more pressure

VOTE: loki

Why would anyone think that a player that got rapid fire votes to e - 2 in a 9 player game “needed more pressure”? And you based your vote on me because you liked Andante’s answer which has what to do with me anyway?

I don’t believe your reason for voting me here and yes, that was the most suspicious vote on me. Vanders putting me to e - 2 is second.

Look at this pattern. You and Vanders are pushing/voting the same slots: me/Andante/bugs. That can’t be a total coincidence.

this literally implies that you scumread me because u were at e-2 at the time of me voting u. am i misunderstanding sum?[/quote]

Yes. Because I never said that. I said you saying my slot needed pressure as the only reason you gave for voting me was bad because I had been very recently put at e - 2. Therefore it didn’t make sense.

[Loki Dokie]

Yes. Because I never said that. I said you saying my slot needed pressure as the only reason you gave for voting me was bad because I had been very recently put at e - 2. Therefore it didn’t make sense.

@mo, can you check your code tags because something seems to be awry with them.

[Loki Dokie]

Why would anyone say that a slot that had very recently put at e - 2 needed more pressure?

And that was your sole reason for voting me in a post you made about Andante, which was hella weird.

[Loki Dokie]

Vote Count 1.2

Andante

(2): GrandpaMo, Vanderscamp

Vanderscamp

(2): Loki Dokie, Andante

Hopkirk

(1): Robert M Hunter

GeorgeBailey

(1): Hopkirk

Loki Dokie

(1): bugspray

Not Voting

(2): flow trap, GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Actually this could be anti-associative for mo/Vanders. Maybe it is bugs/mo and I’m an idiot for tunneling Vanders?

[Loki Dokie]

All I know is that if both scum aren’t amongst bugs, Vanders, Mo, Robert, then someone has been doing a brilliant job of fooling me. I’m just not seeing it though.

[Loki Dokie]

:I Yeah ok

VOTE: Loki Dokie

VOTE: loki dokie

Scum lean on VOTE: loki

I hope that this conversation is now resolved.

[Loki Dokie]

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

i wasnt trying to get gb to e1 at all, if he ended up on e1 i would have unvoted

i'm not pushing you, it seems like your mind has fabricated some circumstances that would be a coincidence if they are all true


pedit:
hi loki, yes
and you're town so if you're FN please get me into the hood so we can be masons <3

Are you rolefishing me? I thought you didn’t read the setup?

i read the setup after you called me out
iu mean technically this is rolefishing

i litherally thought we had a role that functioned as neighborizer and not friendly neighbor. read my post i even said add me to your hood

is vanders at e2 now? you could put that slot at e1 if you're confident it's scum because if there's a yolohammer and it flips green that's gonna look bad for the hammerer

loki is so town

The scum team is Vander/Mo.

All of vander's interactions with mo are really weird and seem forced into being townready.

I lied in my hood to Vander about having a strong tr on him and he just sort of accepted it. Later I said we should just call the hood a masonry and he was trying to get me to unvote.

Lots of fake paranoia early and then none in the hood is scum indicative

town players should never be reluctant to put their confident scum reads at e-1

i sussed mo mostly because of weird early interactions with vander. i think catching partners early d1 is easiest because they are still in an awkward pahse where tyhey havent hit the right vibe to dance around in public

I never implied it's ai, that's you just being self conscious. I think the self consciousness is ai though.
VOTE: mo

at least one scum in {loki, vander, mo}

@bugs how do you go from practically locktowning me to putting me in your PoE? And why do I think this wouldn’t have happened had I voted Vanders instead of Mo?

[Loki Dokie]

is vanders at e2 now? you could put that slot at e1 if you're confident it's scum because if there's a yolohammer and it flips green that's gonna look bad for the hammerer

If I did that and Vanders had flipped town, you have you immediately jumped on me? Because I’m getting the impression you badly want me to vote Vanders.

[Loki Dokie]

@Robert, what are yoir current reads?

[Loki Dokie]

Loki, thoughts on any of my posts I addressed to you?

I’m rethinking my reads now. I don’t like bugs’ progression on me if they really believed in their read on you. @bugs if I’m scum who is my buddy then?

I don’t believe you think I can be aligned with either Vanders or mo so I’m kind’ve of sus on that now.

I'm also interested in why bug and I "mechanically" can't both be town.

It’s based on setup spec, unless like I’ve already stated, someone has been brilliantly fooling me.

You, bugs, Robert, Mo are all claiming to be in hoods and possibly sr your neighbors. There are 4 hoods, two pure - all town, two impure - town + maf. We know you and bugs are neighbors and both Robert and Mo have also claimed this and they are both claiming to be possibly sr their neighbor. Now they haven’t confirmed it’s with each other so if that not in fact the case, then at least half my theory is wrong.

But it stands to reason in this kind of setup, that the two hoods,where neighbors sr the other are far more likely to be the impure hoods than the ones where both neighbors either tr each other or at the least don’t sr the other.

Would you agree with this or not?

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh, sorry for the big quote, the second time I was only responding to the most recent one.

I’ll respond here instead. I don’t believe that Andante or Hopkirk are ever scum here and Flow seems pretty damn townie. As for GB, he hasn’t done anything but his concern about possibly outing fn, isn’t currently concerning me.

[Loki Dokie]

Well, I am town

Nice

I am extremely obvious town, so I don’t understand your flip on me @bugs.

If you’re both town, then who am I wrong about?

[Loki Dokie]

Loki, thoughts on any of my posts I addressed to you?

I’m rethinking my reads now. I don’t like bugs’ progression on me if they really believed in their read on you. @bugs if I’m scum who is my buddy then?

I don’t believe you think I can be aligned with either Vanders or mo so I’m kind’ve of sus on that now.

I'm also interested in why bug and I "mechanically" can't both be town.

It’s based on setup spec, unless like I’ve already stated, someone has been brilliantly fooling me.

You, bugs, Robert, Mo are all claiming to be in hoods and possibly sr your neighbors. There are 4 hoods, two pure - all town, two impure - town + maf. We know you and bugs are neighbors and both Robert and Mo have also claimed this and they are both claiming to be possibly sr their neighbor. Now they haven’t confirmed it’s with each other so if that not in fact the case, then at least half my theory is wrong.

But it stands to reason in this kind of setup, that the two hoods,where neighbors sr the other are far more likely to be the impure hoods than the ones where both neighbors either tr each other or at the least don’t sr the other.

Would you agree with this or not?

I think in general, yes, more likely, assuming players' reads are better than random.
But I think obviously very far from mechanically confirmed.

Sure it’s not written in stone but I know I’m town and I really haven’t see anything from anyone outside those four that is currently pinging me, so it logically makes sense even if not 100%.

[Loki Dokie]

Well, I am town

Nice

I am extremely obvious town, so I don’t understand your flip on me @bugs.

If you’re both town, then who am I wrong about?

Any of the people other than andante who are "brilliantly fooling you," since I think we have pretty different ideas of what that phrase means.

Why are you so sure hopkirk is town?

Meta. I’m hard convinced this is his town game we’re seeing here.

[Loki Dokie]

oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up

Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.

[Loki Dokie]

Ugh, sorry for the big quote, the second time I was only responding to the most recent one.

I’ll respond here instead. I don’t believe that Andante or Hopkirk are ever scum here and Flow seems pretty damn townie. As for GB, he hasn’t done anything but his concern about possibly outing fn, isn’t currently concerning me.

so u think 2 scum is in vanders, me, you, robert, nd bugs?

Based on my current reads, yes unless I’m very wrong somewhere else.

[Loki Dokie]

I was secretly hoping someone would come in and vote bugs so we can move on

I don’t want to vote outside of the four slots I already mentioned. I’m just not sure yet.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki, Vanderscamp, bugspray, also prob town.

just looked back at this. what in the fuck makes u think that woah.

I'm not going into details on obscure reads. remember, FN tells someone who they are. Maybe it hasn't been used maybe it has, but unless it's something bugs does, I really don't care

They literally can’t be both neighbor and fn, it’s impossible.

[Loki Dokie]

Well, I am town

Nice

I am extremely obvious town, so I don’t understand your flip on me @bugs.

If you’re both town, then who am I wrong about?

Any of the people other than andante who are "brilliantly fooling you," since I think we have pretty different ideas of what that phrase means.

Why are you so sure hopkirk is town?

Meta. I’m hard convinced this is his town game we’re seeing here.

Any reasons for that?

I already told you, meta. I’ve seen both his town and scum game and I’m convinced this is Hopkirk!town here.

[Loki Dokie]

I was secretly hoping someone would come in and vote bugs so we can move on

i will vote back on once i hear from bugs

What are you hoping to hear?

Probably waiting for bugs to go "I'm town!!!" then believe it, then try and find someone to claim FN

We really should stop talking about FN. But anyone who tries to out FN is very clearly scum claiming.

[Loki Dokie]

but if it does get to e-1 regardless of bugs posting or not, im hammering lol

@loki can u vote or

Why are you so eager to be the hammer? And if I put bugs at e - 1, then why are you saying you want to wait to hear what they’re saying?

[Loki Dokie]

but if it does get to e-1 regardless of bugs posting or not, im hammering lol

so why not vote them now?? I'm fixing to just flip my vote to you and never unvote

Their bugs’ progression is definitely strange. I think out of bugs/Mo/Vanders, I clearly like Vanders the most and Robert isn’t particularly pinging me. I don’t know why Mo is pushing me in particular to vote. I’m extremely suspicious of both slots.

[Loki Dokie]

i don't like vanders starting to ask 'why do you TR hop'/testing the waters on me

oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up

Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.

ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer

UNVOTE: bugs

I love it!

I think Loki's statement that everyone outside of the four people he mentioned doing a fantastic job of fooling him if they are scum, or whatever it was, is exceptionally poor.
George in particular, but you as well.

Why do you think this applies?

What do you think you've done this game that should put you above suspicion?

why are you concerned about a hammer here?

Why are you misrepping Hopkirk’s post? I just clicked 755 and he never said that.

[Loki Dokie]

And if you let gb coast like that then every townie on my wagon isn't trying hard enough

Hopefully he posts more soon but he’s a dead null rn and until he does something to ping me, I’m not particularly interested in voting him.

[Loki Dokie]

i think vanders is dead set on elimming me and the apparent frustration is probably scum indicative because this wagon should have been so easy to confirm a yeet on but now it's being dismantled. if he's scum (which i believe he is) we should expect fence sitty stuff (ro something else even more awkward now that i called out his play)

What I don’t understand is why you went to pretty much locktowning me to all of a sudden having me in your PoE. I think it should be beyond obvious to you now that I’m not scum here. Because if I was scum, I’d obviously already have voted you.

[Loki Dokie]

That said, I definitely have reservations about voting you. If my theory is correct, I’m leaning to Mo/Vanders rn because there’s absolutely nothing “poor” about my setup spec theory. @Vanders.

But rn, Mo looks the worst to me out of the four and Robert the best. So I lean Mo/Vanders as the team and should I die, I want bragging rights if this is correct.

[Loki Dokie]

Where I’m at is I think Mo is the scummiest but I think with Vanders, we would potentially get a confitown in bugs if he’s scum.

But I feel more confident about Mo being scummy, so I guess I’m okay with either.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I think he was very clearly trying to rolefish Andante earlier and he keeps backtracking on things. Like potentially sr his neighbor - after I gave my setup spec theory.

Mo also never explained why he thought my slot “needed pressure”. It just read like a really lazy vote to me. I still maintain his and Vanders had the most suspicious votes on me and looked the worst.

[Loki Dokie]

If it's not mo and vand it could be Loki hop

No offense but are you insane or what? How am I supposed to feel confident on you when you keep posting nonsense like this?

[Loki Dokie]

this is a hard game to solve ngl. i think we have more info by day 2 or something

lazy excuse to not want to solve d1. are you scum?

what? where have i said that? don't take my words out of context. saying a game is hard to solve =/= trying to solve.

i just said we will have more info by day 2. bad question

this argument feels awkward/artifical and weirdly drops off immediately
i don't like Mo's initial comment and agree it sounds weird but the follow up from both sides feels like it's going somewhere then there's no follow up from either of them and that reads weirdly

no fucking way. i really had hope in you hopkirk. now you???? you can't fucking read either??? there was obvious follow up! in fact andante came of in to that perspective. pls look at post 541. bugs never responds to me. why am i the one that looks scum here...

i don't like vanders starting to ask 'why do you TR hop'/testing the waters on me

oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up

Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.

ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer

UNVOTE: bugs

why are you concerned about a hammer here?

are you seriously kidding me. have you not read anything. i guess i can't be fucking hammer... i literally have said multiple times. i literally said that the real reason is that i want to be hammer and was waiting for someone else to vote and then come in and hammer because it would have been the first time i hammer.

this is gonna be really fucking weird when i flip green
i don't like vander's tunneling. it's anti town nai behavior which is a favorite scum activity

mo's posturing aroudn the hammer is fucked. it seems like he really wants me to die.

i think what could have happened is that he unvoted and then scum partner in pt was like what ar eyou doing we can yeet this sucker and

now he changed the story to i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer

VOTE: grandmamo

i can give less two shits about the hammer on you xD. like i said, i just wanted to be the one to hammer lmfao and i think that we flip you regardless of allignment. since i dont think my scumread would move anywhere. also look at ur phrase "i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer." arent i getting scumread for me saying what if there is a hammer??? ur point is? that phrase contradicts ur first statement. i highlighted it in bold.

the fact my wagon stalled and nobody else is being pushed means that i'm town. if i was scum then me or my partner would actively push other slots.

no thats nai. the fact that ur wagon could have stalled is because scum never voted you and found opportunity (me not voting) to pivot onto me and use that as a viable excuse to be scumread. that is what is happening rn.

but if it does get to e-1 regardless of bugs posting or not, im hammering lol

@loki can u vote or

Why are you so eager to be the hammer? And if I put bugs at e - 1, then why are you saying you want to wait to hear what they’re saying?

have you read the other part??? did u read nothing i said. why are you tryna make it seem that was the initial reason.

That said, I definitely have reservations about voting you. If my theory is correct, I’m leaning to Mo/Vanders rn because there’s absolutely nothing “poor” about my setup spec theory. @Vanders.

But rn, Mo looks the worst to me out of the four and Robert the best. So I lean Mo/Vanders as the team and should I die, I want bragging rights if this is correct.

"bragging rights" that's a surface level logic pair. the fact that you paired me with someone who also paired them up together (bugs) . u dont deserve bragging rights; you literally sheep bugs and go on bout paranoia and even call a mod vc wrong to prove ur logic when in fact it wasnt.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I think he was very clearly trying to rolefish Andante earlier and he keeps backtracking on things. Like potentially sr his neighbor - after I gave my setup spec theory.

Mo also never explained why he thought my slot “needed pressure”. It just read like a really lazy vote to me. I still maintain his and Vanders had the most suspicious votes on me and looked the worst.

i explained like 4 times already. i will just explain again... "lazy vote". a random vote is a lazy vote, even tho it wasn't a real vote? r u kidding me? the fact that you get so offended by this. pressure can mean multiple things; pressure doesn't mean like oh everyone is voting you and you have pressure and then they unvote and i vote you.. i just wanted to see how that goes. i also explained that i never saw the prior page votes and assumed u were good. but that shouldn't a problem. this whole scumcase on me shouldn't be because i randomly voted u. and the fact that you call me out with rolefishing of andante SOMEONE WHO I CLEARLY MEME WITH and NOT the case of the bugs "slip" narrative that you + andante pushed just proves how skewed ur mindset is onto pushing me.

honestly i gave you the benefit of the doubt on being misguided town.

but now i can see how you could be scum with reasoning/logic that is weak af.

I don’t believe you think this, probably because I don’t think you’re town but bugs is acting so ridiculous, I might want to think twice about playing with them in the future.

[Loki Dokie]

this is a hard game to solve ngl. i think we have more info by day 2 or something

lazy excuse to not want to solve d1. are you scum?

what? where have i said that? don't take my words out of context. saying a game is hard to solve =/= trying to solve.

i just said we will have more info by day 2. bad question

this argument feels awkward/artifical and weirdly drops off immediately
i don't like Mo's initial comment and agree it sounds weird but the follow up from both sides feels like it's going somewhere then there's no follow up from either of them and that reads weirdly

no fucking way. i really had hope in you hopkirk. now you???? you can't fucking read either??? there was obvious follow up! in fact andante came of in to that perspective. pls look at post 541. bugs never responds to me. why am i the one that looks scum here...

i don't like vanders starting to ask 'why do you TR hop'/testing the waters on me

oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up

Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.

ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer

UNVOTE: bugs

why are you concerned about a hammer here?

are you seriously kidding me. have you not read anything. i guess i can't be fucking hammer... i literally have said multiple times. i literally said that the real reason is that i want to be hammer and was waiting for someone else to vote and then come in and hammer because it would have been the first time i hammer.

this is gonna be really fucking weird when i flip green
i don't like vander's tunneling. it's anti town nai behavior which is a favorite scum activity

mo's posturing aroudn the hammer is fucked. it seems like he really wants me to die.

i think what could have happened is that he unvoted and then scum partner in pt was like what ar eyou doing we can yeet this sucker and

now he changed the story to i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer

VOTE: grandmamo

i can give less two shits about the hammer on you xD. like i said, i just wanted to be the one to hammer lmfao and i think that we flip you regardless of allignment. since i dont think my scumread would move anywhere. also look at ur phrase "i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer." arent i getting scumread for me saying what if there is a hammer??? ur point is? that phrase contradicts ur first statement. i highlighted it in bold.

the fact my wagon stalled and nobody else is being pushed means that i'm town. if i was scum then me or my partner would actively push other slots.

no thats nai. the fact that ur wagon could have stalled is because scum never voted you and found opportunity (me not voting) to pivot onto me and use that as a viable excuse to be scumread. that is what is happening rn.

but if it does get to e-1 regardless of bugs posting or not, im hammering lol

@loki can u vote or

Why are you so eager to be the hammer? And if I put bugs at e - 1, then why are you saying you want to wait to hear what they’re saying?

That said, I definitely have reservations about voting you. If my theory is correct, I’m leaning to Mo/Vanders rn because there’s absolutely nothing “poor” about my setup spec theory. @Vanders.

But rn, Mo looks the worst to me out of the four and Robert the best. So I lean Mo/Vanders as the team and should I die, I want bragging rights if this is correct.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I think he was very clearly trying to rolefish Andante earlier and he keeps backtracking on things. Like potentially sr his neighbor - after I gave my setup spec theory.

Mo also never explained why he thought my slot “needed pressure”. It just read like a really lazy vote to me. I still maintain his and Vanders had the most suspicious votes on me and looked the worst.

Why did you quote all of this?

[Loki Dokie]

don't be apologizing and shit once i flip green.

and u will realize who my partner is lmfao

fwiw any good/expierenced player can tell this is an obvious scum pivot.

town a stalls hammer... scum finds excuse for town a... scum then pivots to town a...

@bugs are you actually scum here?

[Loki Dokie]

, I want bragging rights if this is correct.

I said this earlier

You forfeited that when you put obvtown into your PoE.

[Loki Dokie]

later nerds VOTE: bugspray

What? You were scum then? Because why would you self-hammer otherwise? Okay then I have to be wrong about Vanders then.

[Loki Dokie]

happy twilight. i'm a scum pivot wagon from vanders and mo was projecting on me.
yeet them so that my death isn't in vain

Why did you self-hammer if you’re town?

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler: stupid hellquote

this is a hard game to solve ngl. i think we have more info by day 2 or something

lazy excuse to not want to solve d1. are you scum?

what? where have i said that? don't take my words out of context. saying a game is hard to solve =/= trying to solve.

i just said we will have more info by day 2. bad question

this argument feels awkward/artifical and weirdly drops off immediately
i don't like Mo's initial comment and agree it sounds weird but the follow up from both sides feels like it's going somewhere then there's no follow up from either of them and that reads weirdly

no fucking way. i really had hope in you hopkirk. now you???? you can't fucking read either??? there was obvious follow up! in fact andante came of in to that perspective. pls look at post 541. bugs never responds to me. why am i the one that looks scum here...

i don't like vanders starting to ask 'why do you TR hop'/testing the waters on me

oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up

Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.

ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer

UNVOTE: bugs

why are you concerned about a hammer here?

are you seriously kidding me. have you not read anything. i guess i can't be fucking hammer... i literally have said multiple times. i literally said that the real reason is that i want to be hammer and was waiting for someone else to vote and then come in and hammer because it would have been the first time i hammer.

this is gonna be really fucking weird when i flip green
i don't like vander's tunneling. it's anti town nai behavior which is a favorite scum activity

mo's posturing aroudn the hammer is fucked. it seems like he really wants me to die.

i think what could have happened is that he unvoted and then scum partner in pt was like what ar eyou doing we can yeet this sucker and

now he changed the story to i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer

VOTE: grandmamo

i can give less two shits about the hammer on you xD. like i said, i just wanted to be the one to hammer lmfao and i think that we flip you regardless of allignment. since i dont think my scumread would move anywhere. also look at ur phrase "i want to hammer not what if there is a hammer." arent i getting scumread for me saying what if there is a hammer??? ur point is? that phrase contradicts ur first statement. i highlighted it in bold.

the fact my wagon stalled and nobody else is being pushed means that i'm town. if i was scum then me or my partner would actively push other slots.

no thats nai. the fact that ur wagon could have stalled is because scum never voted you and found opportunity (me not voting) to pivot onto me and use that as a viable excuse to be scumread. that is what is happening rn.

but if it does get to e-1 regardless of bugs posting or not, im hammering lol

@loki can u vote or

Why are you so eager to be the hammer? And if I put bugs at e - 1, then why are you saying you want to wait to hear what they’re saying?

That said, I definitely have reservations about voting you. If my theory is correct, I’m leaning to Mo/Vanders rn because there’s absolutely nothing “poor” about my setup spec theory. @Vanders.

But rn, Mo looks the worst to me out of the four and Robert the best. So I lean Mo/Vanders as the team and should I die, I want bragging rights if this is correct.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I think he was very clearly trying to rolefish Andante earlier and he keeps backtracking on things. Like potentially sr his neighbor - after I gave my setup spec theory.

Mo also never explained why he thought my slot “needed pressure”. It just read like a really lazy vote to me. I still maintain his and Vanders had the most suspicious votes on me and looked the worst.

Why did you quote all of this?

why didn't you use a spoiler tag?

pedit im town and im about to flip green im hammered this is twilight

Then why did you gamethrow?

[Loki Dokie]

You put two players in your PoE who weren’t even voting you. If you did this as town, I’m going to be seriously pissed. Self-hammer, I mean.

[Loki Dokie]

happy twilight. i'm a scum pivot wagon from vanders and mo was projecting on me.
yeet them so that my death isn't in vain

Why did you self-hammer if you’re town?

because it will create game winning information for town that i consider to be crucial

if you think that i have broken site rules by playing against my win condition i encourage you to report the post in which i do so

No I don’t think you’ve broken site rules but annoying as you are, I wanted to elim a slot I felt confident would flip scum and you ruined that.

[Loki Dokie]

You should never ever self-hammer as town. That’s horrible gameplay.