Situation Room [Game Over!]

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im legit so hyped rn like ive never been so excited to lose omg omg omg omg omg

Hooboy this is gunna be legit challenging but I am excited to play my heart out and annoy all of you while still somehow losing.

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okay about the setup: obviously if we were perfect we'd figure out a way to create a list of townreads, congregate all the top townreads on each wagon and concentrate the powers such that the townreads are always on the wagon together but uh yeah hmm 17p all agreeing just isnt it so i guess what im saying is that president dannflor needs to charm us all into salvation and we just need to pray that dann rolled town

I'm dumb and only understand that all 5 scum are vengeful and that people get pushed into neighborhoods based on who they wagoned and killed.
Why would we want this?

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The ideal situation seems to be to kill all five scum in a row and then have a neighborhood party.

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Why is this a challenging game?

I could be wrong because I'm a total and utter noob when it comes to set up.

But 5 scum being allowed to kill one player if they get eliminated with it being mountainous seems insanely difficult to beat.
We have no cop guilties and no power. True the scum team doesn't have a night kill, but they also get guaranteed kills and no ability to be punished for who they kill so they can kill the best town players 100% of the time.

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Question, if the scum team all end up in one neighborhood do they lose.

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What's to stop us from no-eliminating in one neighborhood.

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You're probably right.
I'm not gunna lie, I'm hoping Fakegod rolled town so he can game break with us if there's such a possibility.

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I see. I wonder how that dynamic is going to work out or how we can use that information to find scum.

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A good start on town's part I guess?

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How do the people get distributed if they never are on any wagons that result in an elimination? @Northside

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Lol, my next question as what's stopping us from just no eliminating out the gate,
but the rules already say we can't no lim day 1.

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The game continues with kills decided within the neighborhoods (sequentially, from the earliest neighborhood to the latest) until one faction has achieved victory.

The sixth neighborhood would go last, but it's entirely possible to put one player in the 6th neighborhood and have them dictate all the kills for that neighborhood, I guess?
Or 2.

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wait lets yeet jingle's strategy of having 1 person neighborhoods

oo. We could totally deadline it so that one player has control of the first neighborhood.

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The only issue with that is that the first neighborhood guy would die when they hit scum and the neighborhood would be destroyed.
But if we can get a guranteed townie in there that's better than, obviously the other possibility.

Hmm.

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I guess the next best world the one in which we don't kill all the scum in a row. But have town in control of all the neighborhoods but the 6th one (and ideally, that one would have a majority of the town in it).

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I see. I wonder how that dynamic is going to work out or how we can use that information to find scum.

I don't like this post!

Is it because you don’t like when people are too on the nose with their thoughts?

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So, should we distribute the votes such that only the towniest plays are on the wagon or something like that?

1(9 if we don’t artificially lower it)
2 (9) if we miss
3 (8)if we miss again
4 (8)
5 (7)
6(never on a wagon group) (?)

Funnily enough I never quite figured out the votes to eliminate is counted.
I assume it’s the majority. Rounded down. But I might be wrong.

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but we'd have to wait till deadline 5 times and that's like 60 days so that might be boring for people to do esp if they don't get selected

Maybe we can ask the mod via consensus to speed up the deadline?

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*looks at title*
Many students have asked me in class if I could share my notes. Because I seemed smart.
I then told them that my handwriting is an actual war crime and that anybody else in the universe would be better, perhaps even a monkey has neater handwriting and more organized composition. Also, what *is* smart? How do you quantify it?
I'm real fun to talk to. Though occasionally someone is happy they had a nice *deep* conversation on a topic that interested them. Most of the time though, I suspect I just exhausted hem.

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That was a fast confirmation phase.

Do we wanna try a strategy to improve our odds or is there not a way to do so?

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Northsidelegal if we threatened the scum team with apostasy if they didn't go with a town plan and we forced them to either PM you or state in game that they want a fast day phase after a single player voted another player, would you you accept it?

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this seems like a lot of words to not play the game

Could you expand on what you mean here. It's honestly too vague for me to quite understand the point you're trying to make?

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Sorry, I'm being snippy and rude

I'm just a little annoyed by the amount of mech talk in the pre-game, and how that seems like it'll be continuing quite a bit into Day 1. I'd rather people play like it's a normal game for a while and then if we have to, do the mech talk after we actually have some content on the board. It's very frustrating to try to get anything AI out of empty questions like "do we wanna try a strategy to improve our odds or is there not a way to do so?"

Because like 1. No duh we want to improve our odds within reason, and whether or not there is a way to do so will become evident as more people check in and give their thoughts

2. it becomes a mask for giving actual content about the game, stalls out RVS, and gives the appearance of looking productive and town without actually having to risk anything

Fair enough, but usually I like to go in with a plan. It's absolutely true that scum sometimes speculate about mechanics instead of hunt, I'm doing both(I'm just not saying anything about it because they're vague initial impressions). but in this case I'm also trying to use this speculation as a means to evaluate other's responses too. It can be a tool to keep scum off balance especially if you can use mechanics to pressure scum into unoptimal moves.

But I do get it.

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I'm doing both(I'm just not saying anything about it because they're vague initial impressions)

personally I would love to hear even your under-baked half-formed initial impressions if you are willing to share

Sure. Oka spam posts as either alignment, I'm not sure if he's town or not here, I think it was a nice touch if he's scum that he "tried" to control his posting and enthusiasm. Overall though I do think his start out of thinking "oh shit, I rolled town in a scum-sided set up, but I love this shit" is kind of coming off as genuine to me.

You I'm not sure if you're posturing/hewing too close to the town norm/purist version to be town, but I wouldn't really know. Your question to me is largely open ended and it depends on the player to respond well rather than definitively determine my own alignment. So thanks for the opportunity, but I don't feel much.

DGB is being DGB. This is a challenging set up and I wonder if they joined because they want to improve at their hunting or hope to gain something here, since I kind of screwed up last game I was in with them. I'm not sure how that emotional component will effect them this game.

I kinda felt the snipe by what's their face was very low hanging fruit. But in RVS, I really can't hold that against them. Could be town trying to generate content, could be scum trying to generate content without really asking me anything. I'll just keep an eye with people I don't know and people I do know that's what I prefer to do.

The yellow alt guy, is interesting they're saying something relatively new But I'm not sure what to make of it. Unique takes aren't particularly townie or scummy to me, rather they launched off with their own opinions without waiting and seeing what everyone else thinks. Which is probably a good rule of thumb as either alignment.

@Lavar: The dynamic of using players to communicate what is going on in separate neighborhoods.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Third wagon vote is best vote.

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Do u think either me or bell are going to not play the game and only mech talk? Cmon now

Yeah, pretty much I don't know where they're really coming from.

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I would also vote Gamma Emerald if the game had started! We need to save up some gems and unlock it!

Tee hee, but it did.

@Pedit: Not really, I was already playing the game, you just didn't have an internal view until you asked for one.
Nah, I just meant I don't really know if you're being a toy soldier on purpose or not.

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Yes, that was a serious case of projection right there, but on the other hand, maybe that was the joke?

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No we're definitely doing the mech thing because I am stubborn as fuck and I hate to lose even though this game is absolutely unwinnable to me.

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It's just that I'm going to do it in a notes PT and then post it all at once if I can ever be assed to.

Right now I'm still stuck on a lot of things. Basically I don't think we can do the partial elimination thing. Since the time table is too hard core for me as the mod won't speed the game up even if we force the scum team to agree to our terms.

So it's going to be some kind of plan involving how the neighborhoods are going to be organized.

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Bell is scum.

*nudges DGB with elbow* You missed.

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Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

Also, I don't like Cupcake. Or Solo? I dunno.

One of those two reminds me of how I would play this setup as scum.

The thing that pinged me with gamma was that they set up expectations for themselves out the gate. I’m a little (?) at why nobody else is using that to case them early on.

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Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

Also, I don't like Cupcake. Or Solo? I dunno.

One of those two reminds me of how I would play this setup as scum.

One of those two?

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I do think that gamma as either alignment would poke at gimmicks though, it feels like I haven’t played with gamma in 300 years though.

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Dusa, a lot of the posts you are liking are… designed to be likable

They do appear to miss the idea that actually, scum want to be town read and are willing to give informed/accurate takes in exchange for it. Though IIOA isn't a thing that seems like a good differential.

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I do like Dusa, since the gimmick isn't getting in the way much and they're actively giving takes.

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I don’t think that IIOA is a good differential. That is I don’t think that players that give information over analysis are more likely to be scum than random. They were two separate paragraphs and I goofed.

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Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

I am glad that you too noticed that Bell is a smidge crankier than usual.

Huh?

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It's the avatar.

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Ambrosia is a material you need in the game, hades, that they’re a gimmick of. It’s just a collectible that allows you to unlock abilities, weapons, and perks in that game.

Also, how do you not know that the game hade’s exist?

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I’m always almost as town thoigh. I don’t hide my alignment out loud and purposely remove filters so others can get my thought process. I only do that sometimes though, depending on my position in the game I might be downright mercurial. I’m a mixed bag.

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Phone post autocorrected me. Blah. I’m usually very lamist as town.

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Dann/Solo can you elaborate on your Bell townreads? I don't especially scumread him but I got a vaguely lamist vibe from a number of his early posts and I'm not seeing why one should be confident to shelve him as town this early

This feels kind of dry.

Default townread bell trust me, if hes scum he historically becomes very obvious and with a setup like this u just gotta put faith

Don't ask people to trust you in a game of mafia. Also, it makes more sense just to sort me early because it gives town the advantage, how you get to sorting me correctly however is an entirely different matter. This game is slow though, I'm almost on my second reread and trying to figure out if Qoobie is really good scum or just town.

I don't understand why Yuri voted Bingle.

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VOTE: STD

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Help, I’m being oppressed!

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Be nice everyone.

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I’d like to think that fakegod is plotting. For good or Ill who can say?

I feel like I just sang the lyrics to a song I don’t know.

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Our father has been absent ever since we founded Rome, but there’s gunna be a party when the wolf gets home.

Oh.

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*cough* I don't do subtle Fakegod.
I literally think you're plotting but I'm not sure if you're doing it for town ends or scum ends. Also, is omgus a bad thing here, or is this a tongue in cheek/postury thing? I don't think it makes sense for you to say, "I'm above it all" and actually think it seriously.

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@cupcake, I have summer vacation off and a lot of free time but no that’s not the only reason. I also want to focus more because I don’t think I’m very good at reading people correctly and while more effort might not actually make me anymore accurate it would make me feel less bad about it.


@Save the dragons, I’m voting you because you posted elsewhere but not here. Also, I have no idea how to read you from the last game we played, you’re very floaty. kind of hoping you’ll be more grounded if I vote you.

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Good sir, I merely implied that I knew what was going to happen. I see it in all the games I run.

Player A throws shade on a player B. Player B returns fire. Doesn't matter if they are town or scum.

Is this to me?

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*twirls hair*

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Cupcake seems to be very relational. In terms of focus. There's hunting outside of that quirk, but the relational stuff comes off as odd given it's being used in the context of trying to understand another person, but where there might be hesitance to understand a member of scum they just directly apply it. Rather they appear to take it at the word of the person rather than employing alternative explanations/motivations for a post.

I have a lot of people that I'm still thinking about.

Bingle seems...okay so far? Rather he tends to come off as more fun when he's scum. Here his tone is sharper or more aggressive. But I don't have much experience with them.

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No idea what that means, but hey, I need a way to apply large quantities of votes on people at moment's notice.

are you interested

*shakes head*

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I'm gunna put up Okapoka as the second plotter.
Not scum per se, but definitely plotting something.
Look at that chicken avatar. The mind of a criminal resides within.

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I really like Dannflor this game now. That was a hell of a charm offensive.

The only reason I'm not voting Lavar is pretty much what Dann just said.

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Meta check.
Does Save the dragons get mad when he gets voted?

@save the dragons you can save other people the trouble by answering whether you get more mad as town or scum when getting voted.

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@hypothermia, you’re correct that if I were leaning one way or another based on that paragraph I would be leaning scum.
And yet I’m kind of leaning town on them inexplicably. I think I’m weak to nice. Even though polite scum is a thing.
But I also suspect it’s just because their process seems involved which I don’t really associate with scum. But blah.
Blah blah.

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i'm mad because my asshole future father in law is making my fiance's life hell right now

I’m sorry your future father in law is an asshole.

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I stole hypothermia’s line of questioning.
Also, was kind of scum reading her but her posts on the last page significantly diminished it.

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i'll try not to let it bleed into the game, but if i'm self-metaing I think me getting mad is NAI

Thanks. Nah it’s cool. It’s difficult to control that kind of thing. Context helps.

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Lavar what do you think about the players in the game so far?

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Oka, why'd you curb your enthusiasm

I like the pace of play so far so no need to go crazy

Is that why you go crazy?

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It means to play to an audience.
Like when you put on a performance to conquer a girl to remove the evil spirit feeding on her negative emotions.

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VOTE: Yuri

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the chad soviet cosmonaut vs the virgin capitalist astronaut

Excuse me, I'm some kind of socialist coward, not a capitalist.

@Pedit: It shoots last.

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My vote is well placed.

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Magic.

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Nope.

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I often take multiple different arguments and counter arguments into consideration when trying to figure out why someone is doing something.

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I’m not going to move my vote for awhile.
I feel pretty good about this vote tbh.

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Also, I’m not scum partners with yuri. Just an FYI for down the road to save myself the trouble.
Though the tunnels by will probably remove most of that doubt whenever people are ready to flip him.

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Thanks for letting us know, I'm town fyi

Cool.

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You don’t think scum will shoot you.

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So brazen. Must be prickly town and not prickly scum.

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I dunno, I’d say I was your scum partner because you’re calling me boring. But I’m not your scum partner.

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It's interesting that Fakegod shifted his opinion of Yuri from 422 to 527 (I think this is good). I thought Fakegod was a little suspicious before because he didn't seem to be scumhunting.

I think you're scum.

@lavar have you played mafia much? How many times have you played scum and how many times have you played town?

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Why would fakegod hate you as a person given you’ve never played before

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Besides fanboy crushes also get smoked, every player I’ve ever liked has found me annoying.
It’s the rule. Anybody club that would have me as a member is a bad club.

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I don’t really think gamma would use that to gain an advantage as scum. It doesn’t mean he isn’t but I find that approach bizarre. At best, it’s a half-truth.

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I'm gunna put up Okapoka as the second plotter.
Not scum per se, but definitely plotting something.
Look at that chicken avatar. The mind of a criminal resides within.

do u have proper reads

Not really. Besides qoobie everybody has a reason to be scum and a reason to be town. Whilst cliche I do think solo’s consistent pacing says he’s probably town though, even I’m a little weirded out by his eclectic reads list.

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I don’t feel like they’re ever really letting the game breathe or watching and waiting. Their timing seems to be without much of an agenda and they’ve slowly built up impressions one post response at a time.

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There's definitely a better time and place to discuss CBT and the importance of recontextualization than in the middle of a game of mafia. Please deescalate and don't fight.

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like what is that example, what is the refrance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wor ... Only_Knows

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like what is that example, what is the refrance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wor ... Only_Knows

so "conquer" in other word means "court"
Got it.

The main character is a giant dweeb he does not court, he conquers and captures.

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Yes, I’m explaining the joke. This means I’m not funny.

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Gamma you accidentally sniped at FG in that post which could bait him into a response. Leading to more finger pointing.

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What is townie about this thought?

alright listen up

you ain't saying much, and much of what you are saying are just filler stuff

you can salvage this by bringing me a dead scum soonish

you do realize he can't really pull that off alone and would need assistance? What is this garbage

I have trouble reconciling these two takes coming from the same person.

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The one you mistakenly tried to copy, in which one person is the solo voter for 5 days. A variant on that in which one person is the solo voter for 5 days and then self votes. I'm not interested in pursuing either of those strategies due to both a lack of fun and it taking 60 days.

okay this is actually magnificent in theory, the idea of solo voter offing themself the last day leaving everyone else to be in the "sixth" hood and keeping this as essentially a regular game of mafia

Oh goddamnit. The other post I meant was this one.

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....I’m done with phone posting today. Wrong quote. Nvm.

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or in other words i dont believe u

why do you think I lie about my emotions here
like, I'm pretty much one of the most honest people when it comes to laying my emotions out in terms of mafia games

He was talking to you. But that last bit was to yuri.

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or in other words i dont believe u

why do you think I lie about my emotions here
like, I'm pretty much one of the most honest people when it comes to laying my emotions out in terms of mafia games

He was talking to you. But that last bit was to yuri.

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There's definitely a better time and place to discuss CBT and the importance of recontextualization than in the middle of a game of mafia. Please deescalate and don't fight.

who is this @

You.

718: you’re continuing on with that fakegod dislikes you and presenting him that way and fake god does not appreciate being construed that way. It’s a point of conflict and a derail from the game.

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I don’t want you to be guilty. You should probably in the future just inquire what a person meant by what they said or did for clarification purposes. Rather than making assumptions.

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I think LavarManos is town! When he shared thoughts earlier it seemed like he had had them all along!

I'm behind! Please forgive me!

Are you saying this just to be a devil's advocate or do you actually think he has been townie?

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I think LavarManos is town! When he shared thoughts earlier it seemed like he had had them all along!

I'm behind! Please forgive me!

Are you saying this just to be a devil's advocate or do you actually think he has been townie?

I thought he made a townie post! He has been posting not so much! However! Gods are slaves to their natures! I bet he always doesn't post much!

Yes, but he could also be the weak link in the scum team.
Or the town team. I don’t think you should defend him.

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Bell/UNOwen why are you voting Yuri rn?

I felt like he was kind of flailing when I pushed at him. Calling people chad's, calling me boring etc. It all seemed designed to discredit me through indirect ad hominems. Or however you spell it.

Pedit: Okay.

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Thanks. I don’t think it’s very reliable anyway.

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Take care yuri, good luck with your life stuff.

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I'm curious. What's people's Solo read?

I think 560 and 563 are townie because they read like a somewhat genuine progression. I am not sure what 564 means though.

How many games of mafia have you played?

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6?

Is that a question about why I’m asking or because you don’t know how many you’ve played?

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I like Yuri

He seem gung ho to me

A kindred soul

I don't.

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I think Titus is scum too now.

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You're too understandable this game. It's like every move you make is in neon lights.

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You're too understandable this game. It's like every move you make is in neon lights.

This defies the Titus nature, yes, but why is it bad?

Can't say for sure, Perhaps she's more conventional when she's scum. Or I'm wrong.

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So what are we doing?
Are we going to do some mech talk finalization, consolidate a wagon or just,
like, sit around.

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Sloppy.

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You're doing a good job of being scum if you are Bingle.

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In the interest of peace and love on the planet earth please respond (1) (once) to Gamma Emerald.

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Hey, you got the reference. *high five*

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*munches on cookie* thanks. I was talking to gamma.

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Does anyone here play hades? Like is dusa openly trying to be liked an invention of the player or continued roleplay of the character

Dusa is a maid that works for hades. She has low self esteem and overworks herself.
She’s a sweet person. I think it’s within character for her to want to be liked.

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Not this.

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I find self meta helpful personally, but aight.

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I think* Danflorr is town. Yes, yes I know FG. But 1031 looks good to me.

I'll take the read. With maybe Bingle, Dusa, Gamma, and qoobee only having one scum in it (i hope).

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I've liked what he's posted when he bothers to come by.

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Why is cupcake still alive?

Not enough votes.

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I’m upset that I didn’t vote cupcake and can’t play the game now.

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Gamma Emerald is reacting like someone caught robbing Charon!

He is threatened by a single vote in a large field because he knows I am being insightful! He feels extra bad because it's me of all people! Dannflor has pointed out an illogical way of viewing what I'm doing!
Please don't miss this just because it's a large Olympic game with so many ongoing events! This is a very distinct case of evil transparent!

Noted.

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VOTE: Gamma bamma

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E-1
Stop

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UNVOTE:

Time to talk about wagon composition.

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Yeah

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If we’re murdering gamma I want myself, dann, dusa, t3, Dgb guiltylion and fakegod on it. After that I don’t care much whose on it. Would it be a good idea to have gamma self vote here or no?

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He’d be dead so no.

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@BEll: I don't recall having seen you do this kind of planning as either alignment. Why did you decide to change your playstyle in this game?

Your opinion of my play is 2 standard deviation’s from everybody else’s opinion about me. Most tell me I’m a tunneler, annoying, opinionated, a borderline trust tell due to divergent scum play and so on and I’ll telll you this myself, I’m pretty open about my

I’m also a little bit of a control freak sometimes but uh. This is definitely one of those games where because it’s mountainous I’m not going to sit back and let power roles do stuff.

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Because they’re the players that I think are towny, can discuss things rationallyish and can act as a go between due to activity if they end up in more neighborhoods.

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Qoobee also, t3 seems to be okay so far IMO.

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If we’re murdering gamma I want myself, dann, dusa, t3, Dgb guiltylion and fakegod on it. After that I don’t care much whose on it. Would it be a good idea to have gamma self vote here or no?

I don’t exactly feel great about the last few suggestions
T3 DGB and GL don’t feel like they belong IMO

Why would you make a list of 3.

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People can make their own compositions if they want.
Also, why would we not use the 8 neighborhood to kill folk? Did I miss a conversation?

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Yeah, there are not many neighborhoods of 8 that are going to be uncontroversial.
Fairness reasons seems kind of out there.

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I totally forgot bingle.

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Get save the dragons off add bingle and fake god and I’ll hammer.

If people want different they should say or do so.

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To my knowledge it’s against the rules to suggest someone rep out. I got warned once for it. Just an FYI so you don’t get in trouble t3. I doubt any action will be taken since you probably didn’t know.

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Another game of me being correctly sorted day 1 by the entire playerlist and even scum won’t contradict it.
I guess I’m useless now according to qoobee

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Another game of me being correctly sorted day 1 by the entire playerlist and even scum won’t contradict it.
I guess I’m useless now according to qoobee

I think you're scum now

I appreciate it.

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Titus, have you not yourself given up, self voted, or catastrophized and become convinced you're going to get limmed before?

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I've seen a whole lot of town flake out of games because they didn't want to deal with talking to people who see them as scum.
I've seen scum do it too yeah, but it's not like spite and avoidance are exclusively scum traits.

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This is true, but people are all different. People see things in different lights.

I'm not defending Yuri btw, him voting while also saying he doesn't care is very contradictory but not necessarily scummy since scum don't like to contradict themselves.

This is why I don't really get the Dann pressure. Yes he's all over the place, but that's like, what town do.

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I like A50's reads. He's really close to cracking the code in my humble opinion. The only thing in his way is reality.

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sure.

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Good start IMO.

Yuri, oka, save the dragons has scum in it IMO.

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Hard to know. He said himself town should want to be on the wagon and he’s 100% correct.

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VOTE: Save the dragons

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Good start IMO.

Yuri, oka, save the dragons has scum in it IMO.

Then release me from this mortal coil

Sorry, I could actively hear STD asking if he should get off the wagon in his scum PT and I could hear Oka saying to stay on.

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T3 seems fine. But you do you.

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I do understand that oka hates neighborhoods on principle since he thinks it’s excellent grounds in which to pocket people. I still think oka is scum this game.

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Yuri is really leaning into that FG pocket.

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I would like to point out I was following that game so I gave Guiltylion some space.

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@STD a naked vote is not exactly going to turn the tides.

[Bell]

Because you never left as it became inevitable? Did you even post after that vote.

[Bell]

Are you arguing that because he was scum you didn’t unvote when multiple players asked you to or

[Bell]

You know, I can’t find more than me saying you should get off the wagon std. I looked.
Huh.

Yeah that T3 wagon is bad and I don’t endorse it at all. Not even a little.

[Bell]

Let me rephrase, are you arguing that you didn’t unvote because gamma was scum?

[Bell]

Fascinating. Who else do you suspect is scum now?

@GL, later. I have to do stuff. I think if he were bad scum he would have been more quiet and less buddyish. He wasn’t truly trying to derail the wagon from my perspective. Merely examine and interpret it.

[Bell]

Yo, do not post in that neighborhood pt or I will be very internet angry.

[Bell]

You’re intentionally denying town information by posting it in a pt we can’t see, while if even one scum is in there they can relay it to their whole team.

[Bell]

Ok! When I get home and read up! I'll use the neighborhood so Bell knows I'm bad!

Brilliant.

Yuri, to be clear, if you aren’t going to tell me why you’re not enjoying the game or what about my behavior you don’t like there’s pretty much not much i can do about it.

[Bell]

Oh, so you don’t like me pointing out that it’s anti town to post in there.
Uh, I’m not really sure what to say about that, that neighborhood mechanic is another advantage for scum and they already have a bunch of advantages.

[Bell]

Sigh, it’s because I’m being autocratic isn’t it.

[Bell]

Eh, oka, people are in their own bubbles he got hyped for an idea and then people ruined it because they have their own.

[Bell]

Nah, you already admitted that those neighborhood are -EV. Don’t back peddle.
Tell me what appealed to you about those neighborhoods.

[Bell]

Compromises are fine.
Let’s compromise.

[Bell]

You’re trying to argue it isn’t scummy to express an opinion that benefits the scum team. Let’s move the alignment argument over to the side and talk about what you enjoyed about the ideas so that I can try my best to play toward my win condition while also allowing other people room for their own enjoyment.

[Bell]

Please post a manifesto at the start of our games together so we don’t have to take a game break mid game to talk about what is ruining your fun. It takes too long to get to the point when I have to guess what’s upsetting you about my play each game.

[Bell]

It’s not even something I’d object to. And please respond to me when you have time away from oka.

[Bell]

This is passive aggressive and I’d prefer you just set out your expectations so I can avoid crossing them, especially when I care about whether people are having fun or not.

[Bell]

especially when I care about whether people are having fun or not.

I have no idea if this is sincere or not but I sounds deeply sarcastic and highly unpleasant

It’s sincere.

[Bell]

All of my posts since I realized I pissed you off again are sincere.

[Bell]

I don’t shit fest, I shit post.

[Bell]

There’s a clear difference between playing optimally and playing against win con.

[Bell]

Sure thing yuri, have a good night.

[Bell]

Yeah, but I don’t really care. Using a different metaphor it would be like saying a game of dnd is ruined because the wizard didn’t take fireball the second he could. Or a player making a Druid chose the circle of dreams instead of playing a peace cleric.

[Bell]

Is mafia

[Bell]

I don’t. People get a hit of the sweet stuff in different ways. Just because I enjoy min/maxing, doesn’t mean everyone does, or even should.

I will always point out when someone is doing an anti-town when I’m town though. Because that’s just how you discern alignment. Telling people what to do, maybe not so much.

[Bell]

A50, should I stop you and let you know I’m town or do you want to continue down the train of thought you’re going down and let you figure it out on your own.

[Bell]

Assuming you weren’t just lining up miselims off a bad start.

[Bell]

Door number 1.

Cool cool.

[Bell]

@Cupcake: Thoughts on the game now that we have a scum flip?

[Bell]

We should?

[Bell]

Because you’re worried that the scum team will chip away at the town majority in the first neighborhood?

[Bell]

I mean, I don’t even know where to begin with all the leaps of logic and assumptions inherent in that approach. But I’ll leave it alone and see if anything interesting happens.

[Bell]

I think Gamma trying to skeevy his way onto CB wagon in D1 indicates CB town.

Now I think Fakegod is town if Dusa is town because I would not expect a mafia to make this post after Dusa said the opposite opinion.

This sounds remarkably true even though there's zero evidence statistical or otherwise. It's like it has a high truthiness value.

[Bell]

VOTE: CB

/:

[Bell]

I don't think he's overstating the mechanical advantage or effect size of it.
Pocketing in neighborhoods is a thing. And it's fairly obvious why, it's because you can tailor your message to a smaller audience which is less taxing on your mind. The smaller the audience the less considerations you need to make and it's easier to be more convincing.

[Bell]

But as mentioned I just don't really mind too much. I will point out that there's a disadvantage, jus because I have an obligation as town to say what's anti-town. but since it appeals to him on the fun scale I'm going to couner weigh it heavily from the "yeet this" scale.

[Bell]

Here's a visual representation.

[Bell]

Okapoka sentence's Yuri to the fun gulags.
The artist formerly known as the gulag.
They've rebranded.

[Bell]

I'm saying, I'm going to try and not yeet you for your betrayal of the fun police. I might yeet you later for other stuff tho.

[Bell]

1727 is to bingle in reference to Oka.
1728 is referring to Yuri.

[Bell]

I hear the whispers of the city.
It says it loves me and it wants me to dance.

[Bell]

Bell they say

It's time to serve your lord. A blood sacrifice must be made to appease us they say.

We hunger for the flesh of the man who has felt the void. Who has met the sky lord they say.

I can't hear you over this hard core dance music.

I'm gunna step away to do some house chores.

[Bell]

What particularly about their defenses of scum was damning? Lots of town defend scum, I'd like to hear an argument as to why they're scum because of how they defended their scum partner rather than just because they defended them.

[Bell]

I mostly think you're just stuck in an awful tunnel rn

Famous last words. I feel like it's easy for him to argue on his approach to mafia as town then to play as it. If he didn't argue that it was bad for town to post in the neighborhood I'd be voting him and be screaming at the top of my lungs hat Oka is clearly an imposter in a chicken suit. I don't really think he's unaware of that.

[Bell]

I lean town there. But it’s not confident just because he’s kind of on the straight and narrow as either alignment and I don’t want to make assumptions about activity levels and content generation. To me there seems to be a greater push to solve than when he’s scum but that’s a sample size of one. He’s low on my list of people I want to die soon though.

[Bell]

If Cupcake was going to post they'd have posted by now tbh.

[Bell]

Why aren't they posting FakeGod. Why do they hate town if they're town.

[Bell]

I went back and read it and based on how he just gave up and said "you jerks have already decided" I empathically disagree. Statistically you're more likely to be right than wrong. But if anything his posts point to wifom before he exits stage left.

[Bell]

I went back and read it and based on how he just gave up and said "you jerks have already decided" I empathically disagree. Statistically you're more likely to be right than wrong. But if anything his posts point to wifom before he exits stage left.

Oh heeheehee you know

Oh, that's about Gamma!?

Yes. that post was me disagreeing with FakeGod that Cupcake isn't scum because Gamma voted her. Given subsequent posts and Gamma's approach, I don't find FakeGod's argument persuasive.
Even if he's right.

[Bell]

Also, why would we not use the 8 neighborhood to kill folk? Did I miss a conversation?

This is potentially a scumslip, even though I'm like 90% sure it's not actually a scumslip, btw. I just want to mark this to come back if Bell flips scum in the endgame.

I only scum slip as town. This is well documented.