Situation Room [Game Over!]

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Howdy! Time to read some VCs.

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Votecount 1.8

Target	Wagon
Gamma Emerald (4)	FakeGod (91), Hypothermia (134), Qoobee (137), Save The Dragons (195)
Solo (3)	Dusa (238), GuiltyLion (258), Dannflor (262)
Save The Dragons (2)	Bingle (261), Bell (270)
Dusa (1)	Gamma Emerald (119)
Yuri Gagarin (1)	Solo (181)
Cupcake Butterfly (1)	UNOwen (185)
GuiltyLion (1)	Yuri Gagarin (199)
Not Voting (4)	OkaPoka, Cupcake Butterfly, DrippingGoofball, LavarManos

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

Through here I want to lim Solo.

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I'd be curious as to what's behind the Yuri and STD wagons. STD largely has the same people. Is the consensus they're tilting at windmills and the thread is looking for a better suspect or is it a diversion? I find the staticness of it odd.

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Oka, can you quote the posts giving rise to the contradiction?

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The logic does flow for that being a good vote.

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I agree it's problematic. Did Yuri ever suggest who he was sheeping on mechtalk?

I'd be ok with a sheep after saying it's gone on too long but here it looks like either a shield to hide behind, a lazy way to push a scum agenda, or a way to give someone more power (usually a buddy but maybe a townbeard). I'd expect a townsheep to be more outward with their intent to sheep if that makes sense.

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VOTE: Yuri

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@Dann/STD why is GuiltyLion a better vote?

As for the mech talk, it's simple. Play mafia. Give Titus hoods and VCA. Win.

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Why do you like Yuri for town? Oka has a decent point there.

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Why GL though? You missed that part.

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Thanks STD.

Not sure I agree with Dann but I feel he's town.

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Which is why I am surprised there's only weak counters

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Let's not force the wagons but play mafia. Forcing wagons kills VCA.

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Dann, your dream better not be a prophecy.

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I'm curious. What's people's Solo read?

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Oka, that's not the rule of 3. I could see a scummy hop on or two though.

It's a little early for true vca (no flips) but I don't find anything you're saying objectionable. My objection is a procedural one, not a logical one.

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add titus to the guilty/unowen/dusa i think because i think titus would understand how the setup works

I understand. I just don’t care. I'm going to vote my biggest suspect at the time, wagon size be damned.

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FYI the what was at the bottom post but also kinda works in reaction to the top one, since it feels like Yuri is half-accepting getting wagoned

I want to do my VCA in a PR less setup.

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Almost50 replaces Solo.

Well looks like I might as well just read the new guy.

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I like UNO standing up for himself. I admit I didn't read 825 in any detail whatsoever but it looks like unique reasoning.

UNO is your read on Dann still the same?

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I think Titus is scum too now.

Ok. Why?

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Ooh we're claiming. I'm an ascetic miller pgo commuter disabler. My role shuts off d3 with a scumflip.

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In the interest of peace and love on the planet earth please respond (1) (once) to Gamma Emerald.

@Gamma Emerald (1) (once)

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On a more serious note, curious to see where this new wagon goes.

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UNO is your read on Dann still the same?

It hasn't changed. Why do you ask?

I'm trying to get involved in the game. I liked Dann at first blush and I like my opinions challenged.

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*gives Bell a cookie while keaving him hanging* Sorry what reference?

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I'm going to be out/light activity today.

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I will read for detail Monday night but I am liking all three wagons at first blush. That worries me a bit as the odds of hitting three scum wagons this early is remote.

I see the reason for voting Yuri as relayed by OkaPoka.
I see the lack of detail from cupcake in skimming her large posts
I see the overreaction from Gamma.

As of now, consider my vote on the largest wagon. This should provide a lot of detail for VCA.

I know I need to sort through which wagon I prefer but that's hard to do with the pace of the game and my life. I am trying not to VLA.

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Gamma is at l minus 2

Please don't hammer until I can catch up. I see how he can be scum I wanted to catch up.

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I am thinking scum, minus Gamma, just have a low WIM. Either Yuri Cupcake and Gamma are all scum or there's townie sounding scum. I know sounds opportunist but I'd rather flip all three for my VCA.

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I also disagree with an all town sounding wagon, as it can breed paranoia. Let's get mostly town with one or two nulls to allow for sorting of those slots rather than paranoia or circlejerk.

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@A50 How are you TRing Yuri? He basically said he won't play.

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an all town sounding neighborhood is unlikely to be all town

just town sounding

True, but I don't get what adding nulls accomplishes.

Adding nulls forces slots to play in two places, allowing for easier reads on the slots.

I would definitely be against adding Yuri or Cupcake but adding some of the new subs would be a good idea.

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@A50 How are you TRing Yuri? He basically said he won't play.

That's the reason I think he's Town. What Scum sees a wagon on them dissolving, decides to come in thread to declare they do not intend to play and yet declare they won't replace out?

I feel that's just defeated scum. Why would town ever say they'd give up at all?

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Why would town ever say they'd give up at all?

I can think of a good few reasons

Like what?

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Titus, have you not yourself given up, self voted, or catastrophized and become convinced you're going to get limmed before?

Yes, but when that happens (if I am town or faking it), I give as many reads as possible knowing it's my last chance to save the game. I don't refuse to play and hold the slot hostage. He's going to take up a good slot in the neighborhood too.

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See Happy Face.

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Bell, will you be around tonight to help me sort the active scum out? Even if Yuri CB and Gamma are all scum, like I suspect, two must be more active. Yet no one is seriously defending these three slots. It's a very odd dynamic that I haven't seen before.

Note: This offer/request to be my sounding board is not unique to Bell.

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Titus, you think gamma's scum?

why are you delaying the execute

Because people wanted to arrange the hood. I disagree with it but I am outvoted. Hammering to get myself on the hood is anti-town.

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Bell, will you be around tonight to help me sort the active scum out? Even if Yuri CB and Gamma are all scum, like I suspect, two must be more active. Yet no one is seriously defending these three slots. It's a very odd dynamic that I haven't seen before.

Note: This offer/request to be my sounding board is not unique to Bell.

You, A50.

This is awfully convienent that you SR both the other recent subs.

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Because people wanted to arrange the hood. I disagree with it but I am outvoted. Hammering to get myself on the hood is anti-town.

I think it's pro-town to get yourself on the neighborhood if you are town.

I just don't want Yuri on the wagon. I want him to be the lone 6th neighborhood.

What makes you think he's getting off?

I'll consider hammering tonight if everyone says their piece.

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Why did you hammer when you presumably knew I was catching up tonight?

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VOTE: Yuri

Ok.

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T3, why are you ok with a wagon that I started given you SRed me yesterday? Are you bussing, afraid of your own elimination or both?

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Your other two SRs just happen to be the people voting you.

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UNOwen and Titus both ended the day voting Yuri and opened the day voting Yuri, as if there was no re-evaluation whatsoever on the whole Gamma wagon build + flip

that is where we should be looking for scummy Yuri voters IMO

I do think Yuri feels a lot more town after this whole battle with Oka

I made it clear why I am voting Yuri. I felt all three wagons yesterday had merit and I stand by that.

I don't see Yuri giving up as townie, so I started there. I still don't see CB trying.

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meh

this is the last thing im going to say wrt to yuri because doing this is absolute misery for me and ive done it before and its been misery every time and not even a red flip made me feel better about the game before and it wont make me feel better about this game either

yuri is either in my mind, town who is playing in such a way that i consider playing against win condition. now you might not consider it playing against wincon, but i consider playing actively in a way that you consider to be -EV, not playing to wincon. im not accusing yuri of breaking site rules i want to make that clear. i just believe that yuri is lowering the bar for the game in such a way that if he's town, there is literally nothing stopping scum from thinking they need to at least play protown and having that being a consideration for scum leads to a whole different experience.

or he's scum that is all.

+1

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T3, why are you ok with a wagon that I started given you SRed me yesterday? Are you bussing, afraid of your own elimination or both?

Better question: Are you bussing?

I'd like a real answer to this. Why were you ok voting Yuri in the first place?

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Vla today and tomorrow

I can't deal with anyone else asking me to fix their shit and being ungrateful for it.

I'm not in the mental health to play mafia.

X post all games.

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I'm looking and not really playing for detail but Yuri seems to be making longer posts. I'll see if they have scumhunting. If they do, I'll probably vote T3 or CB.

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@Bingle, My main reason to pursue a wagon must remain true for me to do so. I don't need your permission to pursue it. I need the facts to pursue it. That requires verifying.

I'm not opposed to the other wagons either unless something shifted in since my mental health post. I am easing my way back in.

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Yuck.

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There is some benefit to getting on CB to be in the hood though.

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VOTE: CB

Yuri can be dealt with later. I don't like the stagnant nature here, so I'll try to change it.

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Eh. Looks to me like Yuri is approaching infiltrated neighborhoods the same way I do, tbh.

As scum or town?

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Can someone explain the A50 wagon? I can't see why anyone would vote there over cupcake.

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Can someone explain the A50 wagon? I can't see why anyone would vote there over cupcake.

Solo defended Gamma. A50 also defended Gamma. Gamma was scum.

It seems unlikely for two unconnected town aligned players to make exact same mistake.

I think the slot is scum and they were trying to defend their teammate.

Why can't two players agree on a wrong read? I feel itchy on consensus reads.

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Can someone explain the A50 wagon? I can't see why anyone would vote there over cupcake.

I think Cupcake is also bad!

I think it is bad that Almost50 read Gamma's very bad posts and did not attack Gamma! Then he said he was only not hurting Gamma because too many people want to hurt Gamma! Then he posted that Gamma was likely bad, which is opposite!

Couldn't this be changing his mind?

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I submit on the A50 read not being completely scum driven. However, I feel A50 is being misinterpreted but that could be my mental health. I feel A50 didn't trust the speed but he didn't say that Gamma was town. I still feel Cupcake is the better vote because I see no content from them whatsoever and I at least follow A50 even if I could be wrong.

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T3, you give no substantive thoughts on Cupcake and have been quick to try to tie me to A50 to discredit my analysis there. Ever since you subbed in, you consistently jumped at the opportunity to townread everyone who was here mostly before you.

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I also see Cupcake posting elsewhere.

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VOTE: A50

You know what? Let's make these wagons 5 vs 5 and check out the movement.

This pocket is roomy.

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ykw that's fair. I do that as scum.

VOTE: cb

Follows onto CB, with his scumread. In fact he sheeps his scumread.
An A50 wagon, on my professed partner, and T3 doesn't vote it.

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I feel T3 just spewed A50 as town. I can't endorse this wagon but I understand that it's not necessarily a scum driven wagon. I think scum are capitalizing here.

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I had a thought when I woke up...

If I were scum, I'd be all over LurksackManos

!town

for an easy yeet that I could get away with.

If I were scum, I'd be very content letting LurksackManos

!scum

slide by the town's attention.

My question to you all is this:

How come LurksackManos is sliding by?

This is possible scum. I totally forgot about them. I still feel CB and T3 are bigger fish to fry but I'd vote there.

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I understand you voting on that basis Uno, but I feel T3 spewed A50 town and that's the associative I am playing with. Can you take a look at T3?

Also, can you explain how Solo fits in?

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I feel T3 just spewed A50 as town.

How?

Rants repeatedly about me/A50 scum. Yet votes on the counterwagon and sheeps me.

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Rants repeatedly about me/A50 scum. Yet votes on the counterwagon and sheeps me.

I can see why you'd say this makes him scum for being willing to sheep a scum read, but why would it suggest A50 town?
If T3 is scum and he's saying A50's scum but voting the counterwagon that would seem more likely to be partner indicative than anything.

I can see that but it's not the first time he sheeped me. He also followed me onto Yuri and that one I find partner indicative.

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So we turn away from a lurker with actual scummy posts that's posting elsewhere to another lurker with no content whatsoever. That makes a lot of sense.

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having a say in the NK of this hood

Do dead players have a say? That seems weird.

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Welcome, scum.

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@FakeGod,

Why did you hammer?

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Because I didn't have a very high opinion of Titus from her posts so far and I didn't think her getting "caught up" was going to do anything useful. Sadly, she has not changed much since, although, Hypothermia seemed somewhat town from what I remember from rereads.

Thoughts like this make me sometimes hate being town. I'm at a disadvantage because of who I am. If I was someone else, you'd let me catch up.

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I don't know whether Almost50 is worse for his case or DrippingGoofBall is worse for agreeing!!!

VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly

FakeGod is one of the good players! I am confident!

CB is now Not_Mafia.

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Mod: Do these CB votes count given CB was replaced?

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I have my own opinion as to the course of today, but I want to see things play out.

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dont think a lavar flip will change anyone's opinions on the game tbh

Correct but I still hope there's some contest. My VCA needs more data.

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seeing a red cb didn't change my opinions on the game much fwiw

I think it lends context to the wagons D1 at the very least. There are things we can go back and look at knowing that CB/GE was a S/S dueling pair of wagons.

Agreed. I still want to flip Yuri just to see if it was S v S v S, like my day 1 theory.

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I would consider him for a neighborhood shot.

I don't want Lavar or Yuri living until then.

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I'm rethinking my Titus read based on that flip.

Why?

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DGB, how does your scumputer look with the assumption that Yuri is also scum. My VCA points heavily that way.

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This setup is extremely bus friendly so you can only trust wagon analysis up to a certain point. DGBs effort is towny because it's looking at the bare facts of what happened.

Already discrediting the VCA and I haven't even posted it.

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does t3 know about your vca? i think he's presuming that you are going analyze whether someone voted scum or not

I presume anyone who isn't a new joiner knows about my VCA.

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Meta is rubbish.

Ok. I am back in your pocket but....

VOTE: Yuri

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I'd also vote T3 too. His response to me was bad.

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I'd also vote T3 too. His response to me was bad.

I can't see this coming from scum. There wasn't a chance in hell that it would convince anyone else to join in.

Perfect. Make noise. Let town eliminate itself. I can see it coming from scum. I feel Yuri is more likely scum but I'd vote T3.

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Ok A50 is agency captured. Good to know.

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So in the case I'm wrong on STD/Yuri being a S/S pair my PoE shrinks to mostly people who are already in a likely to be limmed position anyway.

Join me on Yuri.

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anybody with experience with bell would kill bell because when he's town he might as well be an IC

+1 it was probably suggested by the deep scum.

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VOTE: T3

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Perplexing as it is, it's hard to imagine actual scum making T3's post.

The vote movement on that wagon is going to be interesting.

Interesting how?

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i feel like from here on out id like fakegod, dusa, bingle, and if God permits, myself on every wagon

but at the very least, fakegod, dusa, bingle need to be on every wagon

I think you're going to have a problem with this.

Yuri won't back off. I'm not inclined to because of my fear of scum getting away.

That means almost every other slot has to back off.

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At this point id assume scum are just playing for themself. Don't overthink it too much

this makes sense how

Nobody really was trying to stop d1 and d2 wagons. Everyone was kinda ok w it. Which means scum probs just going w the flow and letting things happen

+1, This is the big reason I think Yuri is scum too. Scum made no effort to swing to Yuri with two other scum options on the table.

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Titus r u bearding me

Rephrasing?

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Totally good sir. I have a room in my jacket pocket for a bird.

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No.

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At this point id assume scum are just playing for themself. Don't overthink it too much

this makes sense how

Nobody really was trying to stop d1 and d2 wagons. Everyone was kinda ok w it. Which means scum probs just going w the flow and letting things happen

so the scumplan is... just lose?

More likely that scum knew they couldn't save their weaker members.

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This theory debate is great but let's apply it somewhere. Who is/are the one(s) brute forcing the game?

Which types of players just let it happen as scum?

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Isn't that the point of being scum? Protect who you can, bus who you can't, and shoot the town interferring with the carries?

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lol im ok with any of the top 3 wagons tbh its so weird so many decisions you ever get offered like 3 places to eat and ur like idc and there like cmon you have to care and your like no i really dont care

I agree. I felt like that day 1 too. I have strong preferences to T3 and Yuri but I would take a Lamar wagon.

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FakeGod you are now the main person on my good list voting T3 instead of LavarManos!

Who is on your good list?

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Lavar is at l minus 2.

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I don't scumread Lavar but at this point he's just dead weight.
Is there enough time for a Yuri wagon?

yeet this

I already agree. I want to be on more wagons but I feel people aren't getting my solve so far. At least 1 is likely a deep wolf but I have trouble sorting who given the resisting.

There is a chance I am wrong and it's Lavar though and the slot isn't doing anything. I'm not opposed to the yeet but I am 50/50 about whether it hits scum. I feel much better on a T3 yeet.

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Oka, do you want me on the wagon? It seems Lavar is the lim

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Roughly speaking if LM were the lim here we'd want 2/3 of Me/Titus/A50 to join.

VOTE: LM

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Do your VCA. Show us id an Oka/T3/Dusa team is likely or not. Isn't this your specialty? You've got not one but TWO scum flips already. Should be a piece of cake.

My VCA notes have Yuri as strong scum for not being the D1 elimination.

I think scum picked to save Yuri at the expense of their weaker members. I think that's why T3 was a wagon and/or LM. I need to look at this deeper to see if the deepwolf pops but I haven't had the time.

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spicy hammer, though I can't say I'm a fan of Titus dodging my questions to her about T3

Catching up now.

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Guilty Lion, I lost my reply when the thread locked. One second.

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the day was not ready to resolve yet, why did you two make the unilateral decision to speedrun it

I didn't. I was catching up. I didn't expect a hammer.

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Titus do you have any thoughts on my point about Bell being a main T3 defender, or Dusa's defense of T3 in 2355

I don't think Bell was shot for his read. I don't see scum shooting to protect anyone here unless they were deep scum. If T3 is scum widely suspected, they'd want him dead before the venge stopped. Killing Bell doesn't help that agenda.

Second, Dusa's tone makes her hard to read (not alignment wise just understanding). What I think she's saying is that because everyone finds it scummy, it's not scummy at all. I'd counter that with the D1 Gamma elimination which Dusa started.

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VOTE: Yuri

Oka, why did you attribute the hammer to me when I was clearly catching up?

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LM was town, unbelievable. Ah well, it had to be done because the scum would never NK that slot.

Is this a townslip?

I don't believe scum get nks.

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If T3 is scum widely suspected, they'd want him dead before the venge stopped.

hmmm I hadn't fully considered this - does the venge stop? I was under impression scum could venge even in the second phase, the role PM seems to suggest it's any time after being eliminated.

but if you are thinking T3 scum and they want to bus before we go into hood mode, who are the buddies pushing him?

I think we should resolve whether scum get a venge or not after day 5 because that might change my analysis of how they play. They would know this.

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

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hmmm I hadn't fully considered this - does the venge stop? I was under impression scum could venge even in the second phase, the role PM seems to suggest it's any time after being eliminated

Being shot =/= being eliminated.

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@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

Yes.

Oh then I've been reading this wrong. Full reset after work.

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VOTE: T3

If you want not to sleep walk as you put it Oka, suggest a better suspect. The neighborhood mechanics I care very little about but for the fact it helps Bingle and he's a TR.

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Yuri should not be on another wagon if town because he's already a parity weak point.

Can you explain this?

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I am not feeling well. I'll be on when I can.

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Mod: Do scum win if they reach majority in any hood or do they win if they reach majority overall?

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Well, at least there's no shortage of people TRing Yuri scum...I'll gladly take T3 though.

DGB, why do you think my VCA is a stretch?

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If Yuri's so town, why didn't scum just eliminate him instead of letting Gamma die? Not one person tried to save Gamma when there was a wagon on town right on the table.

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Not going to unvote so you can organise around that, as I mentioned previously

On the other hand, T3 is gonna flip scum and at that point it’s a 9:2 majority and I really don’t think the composition is that important vs the level of apathy that’s going to set in if the day gets dragged out to deadline

I agree with this.

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I'm reading T3's ISO and I'd be pretty incredulous to see these posts come from scum

like randomly declaring "scumslip" and trying to start a wagon on Titus? what purpose does it even serve lol

It's flailing because he knows he's caught scum. He's been memeing for awhile. He doesn't comment on the game at all but for his random not going anywhere pushes.

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does scum Bingle pretend to learn about venge phase 2 and complain? I think he does?

I feel like he did something similar in Fogport where he realized how town-sided the setup was and posted about it for 20 pages

VOTE: Bingle

I still want to execute T3 today, but can you link to Fogport?

Second, I'm not sure how this works against Bingle given we confirmed scum have a venge after neighborhoods take over. That's proscum so wouldn't Bingle's complaints suggest town?

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so you are saying he is trying to put as much garbage into the thread as he can before he dies

hmm his opening reads does seem defensive (piling on Gamma then STD while handing out a bunch of townreads)

and his reads seem to have crystallized since 1530 or so

Yes. That's exactly what I am saying.

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Dannflor and Bell kills are kills I would make. It shows that scumteam has at least one member with a good amount of experience with the two of them. Its why Bingle can be scum, Titus can be scum, theoretically Dusa depending on alt, perhaps GL, maybe DGB, but I hope to lord its just Yuri so I don't need to go resorting half the playerlist.

Even if T3 and Yuri are both scum, that still leaves one deep scum. Why do you list off the obvtown and say we could be scum with nothing more? Anyone could be scum. The people on your list likely aren't.

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Oka, we eventually have to peer into those slots anyway, so what's stopping you?

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Not going to unvote so you can organise around that, as I mentioned previously

On the other hand, T3 is gonna flip scum and at that point it’s a 9:2 majority and I really don’t think the composition is that important vs the level of apathy that’s going to set in if the day gets dragged out to deadline

Oka, he's not getting off.

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*salivates at VCs*

*sees clock*

*frowns*

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She also seems to care more about making a math philosophy without caring about influencing everyone!

What do you mean by "making a math philopshy"?

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You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

I've been practically insisting we follow me onto Yuri and T3 for days now...

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You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

I've been practically insisting we follow me onto Yuri and T3 for days now...

But you are not trying to trick us! You do not care to that level!

Why do you feel that's true?

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@GuiltyLion RE: Townblocking

I feel we have reached a point where everyone in the game townreads someone who townreads their suspect, which makes this harder.

Ex: I townread Brian and scumread Charlie. Brian townreads Charlie.

Now what?

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#drools, Time to hit my PC.

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Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion, Bell, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1): TQoobee3
Not Voting (2): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos

Not_Cupcake (6): Bingle, AlmostSolo, Bell, HypoTitus, DrippingGoofball, TQoobee3
AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, GuiltyLion

AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, LavarManos
Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, Bell, HypoTitus, TQoobee3
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball

I'm skipping ahead to d2 to prevent tunnel vision.

Looking at this. I'm content calling A50 and STD town.
I expect 1 scum in the A50 wagon. Most likely not DGB since it swaped with conftown and the wagon comp remained the same but not solid enough for a lock. That could be a dual scum or something (unlikely).

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This is a wagon competing with a scum wagon
***Yuri Gagarin (6): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa***
Heightened suspicion on GuiltyLion, UNOwen, Hypotitus and Dusa. HypoTitus has a good voting record otherwise, I will discount it.

I concur with this, if you start from the assumption that Yuri is town. I don't feel like that assumption is warranted.

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We should increase our scrutiny on these three players who have so far gotten very little.
FakeGod
Dusa
UNOwen

Based on votes, supposing Yuri is town, I agree with your analysis.

So, let's have it out about Yuri. Why do you feel he's town?

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What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

looking at my track record I would push myself too

I can't say this humility is bad.

Where do you think you went wrong? Why do you think you went wrong? Who if anyone influenced your decision (maybe no one)?

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gamma attacked me out of nowhere and that sucked all the fun out of day 1

Talk about this more if you'd please. Most actions aren't out of nowhere.

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VOTE: Dusa

Let's test your theory. I didn't like their responses today.

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So, let's have it out about Yuri. Why do you feel he's town?

Is this an open question or are you specifically interested in DGB's reasons?

Open ended is fine.

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I feel A50, Bingle and DGB all make good points. I'm ok town binning them for today. I'm also ok townbinning STD and GL from earlier comments and behaviors.

@Bingle, Do you feel that the Oka kill was to frame Yuri?

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@A50, If you feel your wagon was scum rich, who were the scum on your wagon?

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Monkeys solve is Dusa/yuri.

I think the oka kill was because oka wasn’t seen as a viable mislim, but I will agree that yuri being scum would make it make more sense.

I'm pretty ok with A50s solve and would vote either one.

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Dusa has my shiny vote on it.

@Bingle, No I didn't look at T3's Yuri push. I dismissed T3 as caught scum making noise.

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@Bingle, why a designated F3? Even if we could agree on one, wouldn't scum just blow up people in the final 3?

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I like the idea of counterwagons even if neither is my favorite. I need more VCA info before shots fly.

If we can pass votes through hoods, that would be great.

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you probably enjoyed my antics then

I drove counterwagons all over the place

I'm also going to tell you that there will be no more useful information with VC, so you'll have to get accurate VCA done with what you have now.

I am suspecting but not certain you are town. You, DGB, and Dusa are competing for townbeard status in different ways.

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To be clear, you all have characteristics of that but I doubt you are all town but it's possible.

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A50 jumping on Yuri is also a strech given his push on Dusa. Hood 1 could be agency captured though.

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Yuri Gagarin (5): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus
Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (3): Yuri Gagarin, Dannflor, Save The Dragons
Dannflor (1): AlmostSolo
LavarManos (1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, FakeGod

@anyone townreading STD: why? Is it purely on the back of this?

Honestly yes

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I have been thinking Yuri was scum the entire time GL.

Otherwise, I completely get what you're saying.

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VOTE: Yuri

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Prod dodging bc busy weekend.

I want to see readslist from the major suspects.

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VOTE: Unowen

yuri is town
a50 is town
gl is town
dusa i think is town
unown i think is town
fakegod is ???
dgb could be scum
bingle could be scum
titus could be scum

Explain what happened here please.

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Technically, your vote is only on a two person wagon. Your vote is the difference between a vanity wagon and not.

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Because if there is no one who can be scum with Yuri that makes Yuri town.

Do you feel like Yuri can have no partners?

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Game is stagnant. Let's eliminate the last obvscum and move on.

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Good night guys. I'll try to leave some final reads but no promises as I have got a major amount of work tomorrow.

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Despite bussing, I had no charisma because all of my partners were obvscum so I couldn't protect the people townreading me, so the house of cards failed. I tried.

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I enjoyed this game. I was deer in the headlights at the end but y'all were fun.

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omg u actually changed ur location

The cell is going to fill up quickly if players are honest

Can I be the warden?