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[Datisi]

idk, to me that doesn't look like trying to save gamma

if shea is scum there, i moreso feel like those posts are annoyance that the buddy he was distancing with has to actually die now

[fireisredsir]

yes i agree, i did not say they were trying to save gamma

[GuiltyLion]

idk i lowkey feel like
he knew the thing was a gambit
like he seems *too* calm for a townie that just potentially got a guilty fakeclaimed on them

yeah I mean like, if he doesn't come back here and keep up appearances it's gonna quickly decay as a reason not to lim him, and if you think it's scummy then I will take that into account and not put much stock into it.

maybe I don't give him enough credit, I just think if it were me I wouldn't have thought to also pretend I wasn't aware my slot had claimed post hoc in that way

[Thestatusquo]

Its also incredibly funny to me that people are taking my townie reticence on MT when tons of people who had told me the slot that was town when I was pushing it were now happy to vote them, which I would never fucking have if I were scum bussing my partner, is somehow scum indicative.

I think that point is almost comically bad. But people keep saying it and eventually that makes it true in a game of mafia.

who is saying this?? and what about? the unvote of tweet when she was at y-1??

i said that 5328 and 5339 were scummy bc they were, don't careeeeee

No, they're not.

[Datisi]

idk i lowkey feel like
he knew the thing was a gambit
like he seems *too* calm for a townie that just potentially got a guilty fakeclaimed on them

yeah I mean like, if he doesn't come back here and keep up appearances it's gonna quickly decay as a reason not to lim him, and if you think it's scummy then I will take that into account and not put much stock into it.

maybe I don't give him enough credit, I just think if it were me I wouldn't have thought to also pretend I wasn't aware my slot had claimed post hoc in that way

i'm not putting much stock into it as i can't read reaction tests to save my life

but i think his overall content here wasn't great (the read on me, voting fire despite fire noticing the thing he was townreading me for) and also, he still feels like he doesn't really wanna play this game (as evident by him... not being here) so like

y'know

[GuiltyLion]

@Datisi there's also the element of a few other people saying similar things (TSQ, Smart, I believe fire said they thought it was a good reaction though still fakeable), so in my mind either multiple townies were wrong (possible but less likely) or scum were defending him. especially since Mena already said Smart was townie, I could imagine scum!Smart not wanting to piss off a potential ally. I'm not sure I wholly believe Smart believes he can accurately read Mena just based on his play so far

[Thestatusquo]

I actually kind of agree with both datisi and guiltylion here and I'm not sure how to parse that.

[GuiltyLion]

ok fine - how well do you think you can read mena

I would say, better than I can read most people. I recall one game, cursed though it was, where I was pretty much the only person to (correctly) call out Mena as scum. Of course I was not in a position to convince anyone, but when am I ever?

That's honestly the main thing that's making me feel this way, so I don't know how accurate it is. But I don't think I've played with scum-Mena many other times (and I can't recall ever confidently and incorrectly scumreading him), so I guess I have an okay read rate historically.

like, in my mind, S_S is the titan of doubting reads, not putting too much weight on things that aren't AI, not being sure of his own play or others

but all of the sudden he's like "yeah I correctly scumread Mena one time so I have an okay read rate historically"?

[fireisredsir]

i think my take on the mena reaction was "slightly good but probably not meaningful" so idk don't take that as a strong opinion of it being towny

[Ydrasse]

obscure claim vt was at end of iso btw so very easy to find

[Ydrasse]

i thinka fire and mena wolf

[Something_Smart]

but all of the sudden he's like "yeah I correctly scumread Mena one time so I have an okay read rate historically"?

...I mean, did I use "historically" wrong? My read rate on him in past games has been better than chance. It's very rare that I'm the only person in a game to confidently scumread someone, so it's pretty noteworthy to me when I do that and am correct.

[GuiltyLion]

...I mean, did I use "historically" wrong? My read rate on him in past games has been better than chance. It's very rare that I'm the only person in a game to confidently scumread someone, so it's pretty noteworthy to me when I do that and am correct.

I'm being unfair and conflating two ideas

I can buy that a) you believe you have a decent read rate historically

I can't buy that b) you think you have enough data in this game to have a firm read on him

but I'm realizing just because you said a) doesn't mean you've actually said b) at any point and the question you were responding to was more directly about a)

so I think I'm wrong on this point

[GuiltyLion]

Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game

I do also think this was weird

ok I think I'm talking myself back into Mena
VOTE: Menalque

[Ausuka]

Hi I'm ausuka and this is my Gamma Emerald associatives post

ok for most of early game i am honestly kind of struggling to take much from gamma's iso here

I think 1325 is maybe anti associative with ydrasse?

I feel like Dannflor might be in The Claire Zone where my read on him is predominantly determined by how he reads me

This strikes me as a nor-very-intuitive thing to say about your buddy??

Why isn't Gamma pushing me based on tone yet?

OHOHOHO!
I’m not pushing you on tone because that’s a lie you deluded yourself into thinking is true, that I tone read you and am always wrong on it! In addition, I did not scumread you the past 6 straight games we’ve played, I actually solved you as town in mini 2238 before you pushed me out.

nero is probably town but I already thought that so whatever

VOTE: Gamma Emerald this is a scum slot I think

HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.

I don't like how cagey this feels and I don't like the excuses for:

• *Not expanding on the VP and HEM reads
  *Posting in order to use the thread as a notepad

At this rate I'll say there's probably a scum in Gamma, xo, Conman

This isn't Gamma but I found this while checking the context of one of her posts and I think this is a good look for Frog - specifically the part where he calls Gamma out for not expanding on her read on VP, I'm not sure how likely scum is to make that association?

What are the cases for GL/relly?

Might be too surface level but this makes me think max one scum in GL/relly lole

1813 seems +town and slightly +scum for SS and fire?

1841 is more nero town fodder

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

This feels like a partner interaction to me. When this is done I want to ctrl+f fire in Gamma's iso and vice versa and see if this is true holistically.

VOTE: gamma emerald
Fuck this game.

can u not

I feel like a lot of the push against me is in bad faith so I kinda think flipping me would be good to force everyone on me to cover their asses for it

This feels extremely unlikely to be scum with scamper to me

I don't know how to word it but 2477 ~feels~ not scum with frog either? Probably the best way to put it is this looks more like TMI than a partner read?

My understanding is that it's a pain in the ass to do.

Why not just create a new account and ask for it to be made your new main?

Why are you talking about this instead of literally anything else

I don't think this is s/s because it feels like Shea is genuinely frustrated here?

I don't want to link all the posts but Gamma's responses to Shea continue to feel genuinely pressed and defensive and it does not feel like distancing to me.

Counterpoint: no scumteam makes a kill to protect me after I rep in. Especially if I'm repping into a suspicious slot (which seems to be the case).

this feels like a curious point to make?

This feels like it could be a buddy post??

redfire what are your reads rn?

prob most interested in looking for scum in dann, shea, SS, marci rn. a slight level below that would be xofelf and gamma

strongest TRs on ausuka, scamper, you. not quite as strong on datisi, hem, obscure, ydra, frog. then DV and GL are kinda weak townleans ig

i think thats everyone

okay this is funny
our strongest TRs line up but aside from that there's notable variance
I think I'll pencil in fire as town for this

Ok no I do not like this at ALL

I will have to remind myself of why fire townread gamma and why but eww

The interaction quoted in 4214 seems sorta softball from Gamma to S_S? Like, he says he wants to look into S_S, doesn't really question him that hard, then goes and votes him for reasons that aren't super clear?

Ok based on this my priorities are to look at fire and S_S again and their interactions with gamma whee

I will probably try and catch up on d3 first tho

[GuiltyLion]

damnit Ausuka I literally just convinced myself to switch off S_S

[Ausuka]

hi some of that was sorta rushed because I am behind on today so feedback is appreciated

[Dannflor]

VOTE: S_S

[Ausuka]

I didn't really take much notice of gamma's interactions with obscure honestly but I think 5627 is good

[Something_Smart]

The amount of indecision people are showing on me is fascinating. I don't know if I've ever seen it before.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Menalque

nah I guess I'll stay here until Mena decides to play

[Ausuka]

The amount of indecision people are showing on me is fascinating. I don't know if I've ever seen it before.

I'll be indecisive if I want to be

[Ydrasse]

The amount of indecision people are showing on me is fascinating. I don't know if I've ever seen it before.

schrodingers wolf

[Something_Smart]

I'll be indecisive if I want to be

I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

I'm trying to interpret what, if anything, the scum strategy wrt me is. My intuition is that they're hoping a townie will lead the charge and subsequently take the blame?

[Thestatusquo]

VOTE: Fireisred