Micro 1063: Even-Odd Killers | Game Over

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

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39 rats are 39 too much

VOTE: 39 Rats

Not to worry, I assure you we are a normal human just like you!

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Stealing pagetop

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didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

SK specifically?

Of course.

Mafia would have said "didnt roll maf," and Town would have said "didnt roll town"

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VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

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VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

You saying it like i am good d2-4 elim. bruh

We just mean that it takes time to properly determine your alignment, and we don't think ceejay actually has anything on you.

Looking forward to them showing up to talk about it.

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VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

It seems like you having prior experience with Enchant gives you an advantage into reading him, which is okay. That said...

Counterclaim Idiot

VOTE: Galron

This is his first post.

I am Jester

This is his second. I don't really like how it did not point out anything happening so far or really push anything or something.

Of course this could just be Standard Enchant Behavior and you're free to tell me more about this.

Yeah, I would say so, it’s the kind of thing he pretty much does preety much every game.

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I don't really like how it did not point out anything happening so far or really push anything or something.

Of course this could just be Standard Enchant Behavior and you're free to tell me more about this.

Enchant is a trolly/shitposty player who's secretly one of the better players on site. He'll have infrequent/insignificant posts until there's something worth saying. Frankly, I'd be more worried about him if he WERE putting in effort this early.

That aside, those posts would be fairly normal RVS posts from many people, and I'm curious why low-effort RVS was scummier to you than what you perceived to be an actual scummy vote?

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who are those people who know me but i don't know them

Hydra of Radical Rat and Nancy Drew 39, you know us!

I thought I had our sig set to show that, I'll fix it after work

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

SK specifically?

Of course.

Mafia would have said "didnt roll maf," and Town would have said "didnt roll town"

I don't think this is true.

What about N_M's claim?

You seem to have already worked out that that's RVS logic, but your implication of believing Not_Mafia's claim interests me. Why aren't you voting him if you believe him?

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Who said that I believe the claim?

You bringing it up as a counter to Meg being SK, at a time when you ostensibly believed it was a serious accusation, implies that you believe the claim. If you didn't, it wouldn't interfere with Meg hypothetically being SK at all

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I'm good with my vote

Why though? The only thing that happened between this and your rvs was the vote on me and his comment on it.

That's the point isn't it.

But why was that scummy?

I would like to know that as well.

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It's not really a scummy vote but her responding to the inactivity in the thread with a random vote sort of rubbed me the wrong way.

Also it's not accurate to say that low effort rvs is what I found scummy on enchant's posts. I voted him because his second non-rvs post was unrelated to anything so far that happened in game and did nothing.

Okay, I'm starting to see where you're coming from.

I don't particularly agree with you, but I get it.

Will confer with myself and place a serious vote tonight.

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Not really much.

Unrelated but I do like Galron for town here
Think 79-81 leans more into town than scum

Meg, why are you voting for ceejay? Why is he scum?

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Meg I don’t understand why you are more pinged by 34 where ceejay has a vote that he’s not particularly confident on but you have no concerns with 79 where galron has a confident read that he has yet to explain?

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VOTE: Galron

Upon reflection and discussion, there's just nowhere else I'm comfortable with my vote being right now.

I think Galron's weirdness with regard to my RVS accusation of Meg as SK, bringing up Not_Mafia's claim to refute it and then claiming not to have believed it, could be indicative of him being just the killer we're looking for.

That, on top of his very strange votes and refusal to elaborate on them.

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Meg I don’t understand why you are more pinged by 34 where ceejay has a vote that he’s not particularly confident on but you have no concerns with 79 where galron has a confident read that he has yet to explain?

It's not the vote I had the problem with, it was that they were asked if they had a reason and they basically replied yes, but im not saying it

I'm good with my vote

Why though? The only thing that happened between this and your rvs was the vote on me and his comment on it.

That's the point isn't it.

This is the refusal I mean.

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Only the second quote was actually supposed to be there

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Given they haven't posted since I wouldn't call it a refusal.

I think you’re talking semantics here. Refusal, non-answer, pretty much same difference isn’t it?

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Given they haven't posted since I wouldn't call it a refusal.

I think WE’RE talking semantics here. Refusal, non-answer, pretty much same difference isn’t it?

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VOTE: Galron

Upon reflection and discussion, there's just nowhere else I'm comfortable with my vote being right now.

I think Galron's weirdness with regard to my RVS accusation of Meg as SK, bringing up Not_Mafia's claim to refute it and then claiming not to have believed it, could be indicative of him being just the killer we're looking for.

That, on top of his very strange votes and refusal to elaborate on them.

I see post 67 differently to you. My take on it was Galron was just asking for your take on Not_Mafia's claim rather than specifically using it to refute your take on Meg.

I think you're confused and Galron's bemused by your confusion and I get the sense you're both genuine.

There was one thing in your post which made me wonder: "it, could be indicative of him being just the killer we're looking for".
Though I"m prepared to accept that it's just because you're discussing your SK read on Galron rather than an indication you're solely looking for the SK.

Do you have any hunches on who the Mafia might be?

I'd like to let Galron respond for himself as to what his intentions were/are. Say I'm right in my interpretation. You providing an alternative before Galron says his gives him a plausible out that he would have had to come up with on his own otherwise.

Regarding my SK focus, I am actually primarily looking for the SK today. Reason being, it's an odd night tonight, and odd nights are SK kills. If we eliminate the SK today, we dodge a kill tonight.

As for Mafia hunches... I WAS considering ceejay, and would have probably voted there earlier if it were just me in here, but once they actually explained things, the mindset looked pretty Town. Right now I figure there's probably at least one scum in the lurker slots, but couldn't tell you who specifically

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But we’re talking about n1 here, so if galron is SK wouldn’t we have a no kill n1?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Mafia will have Daytalk.
The Mafia may only kill on Even nights (Night 2, Night 4, etc)
The Serial Killer may only kill on Odd nights (Night 1, Night 3, etc)
Pre-Game, the Serial Killer chooses between Investigation Immunity (Shows up as Town to investigation) or One-Shot Bulletproof (Negates the first time they would die to a night kill).
If all Mafia Goons or the Serial Killer is killed, the Serial Killer or Mafia Goons will be allowed to kill regardless of the night number.

@mod, this doesn’t take effect until the following night, correct?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I actually did read the setup, but apparently skipped over that last line. And then Nancy never corrected me I guess because of her own misconception, so we'd both been operating under the assumption killing SK today would cause a no-kill.

With that cleared up, Enchant is right and Mafia should be priority, if the situation to choose arises.

How do you distinguish between looking for SK and scum? So far all I see is coming from the early "joke claims" in the beginning? (and treatment of those)

To address this part, what I'd be looking for is the usual scum behavior, but lacking associatives. Like, if I saw someone overreach to defend scummy behavior from another player, I'd assume them to be Mafia, and look for scum activity outside the involved slots to find the SK.

That hasn't actually happened though, instead Galron's votes are just scummy in a vacuum, and then the weirdness around the claims gave me the impression that he already knows who the SK is... Which of course could only be so if it were him.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

SK specifically?

Of course.

Mafia would have said "didnt roll maf," and Town would have said "didnt roll town"

This is very obviously not a serious vote.

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I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

So I don’t see the problem then?

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I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

So I don’t see the problem then?

Right. So why are you still voting me?

VOTE: 39rats

I don’t see why YOU had the problem with Tetra’s post. You never explained that and that’s why I’m voting you.

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I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

So I don’t see the problem then?

Right. So why are you still voting me?

VOTE: 39rats

I don’t see why YOU had the problem with Tetra’s post. You never explained that and that’s why I’m voting you.

I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

Testarossa's post was completely NAI.

You are implying that I contradicted myself with that post. I made it clear that isn’t the case. I don’t understand how if you came to the same conclusion as Tetra that you had an issue with it. I generally don’t vote people who mindmelded with me.

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Not_Mafia will be replaced due to inactivity (3rd prod)

Kop replaces Not_Mafia.

That was quick.

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I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

So I don’t see the problem then?

Right. So why are you still voting me?

VOTE: 39rats

I don’t see why YOU had the problem with Tetra’s post. You never explained that and that’s why I’m voting you.

I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

Testarossa's post was completely NAI.

You are implying that I contradicted myself with that post. I made it clear that isn’t the case. I don’t understand how if you came to the same conclusion as Tetra that you had an issue with it. I generally don’t vote people who mindmelded with me.

@Galron, why are you not addressing this?

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I'll move to Gypyx to prevent a no lim, but she's pretty null for me, and I'd still rather we do Galron

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Actually gonna VOTE: Marashu for continuing to subject us to these votecount images

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ik right

In Royalty, we actually seriously tried to yeet the mod, it didn’t succeed.

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Eh? What part of that was nice to you?

Tho I guess I no longer have to worry about imaginality being mafia with Galron...

Kop, who is scum?

Wow yeah Kop's still self-voting. Kop had better put that vote to better use before deadline.

I don’t think he sounded like a buddy with this.

~Nancy

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I am kind of on [Gypyx, Kop, Meg] right now.

Just checked Gypyx ISO and didn't felt anything at all. I have to take a closer look here. Intuition may say maybe lost townie. ehhh

Meg got better for me during D1, however their townread on Galron and equalizing the Gypyx wagon with Galron didn't age too well for them in retrospect.

Kop hasn't given one single read and all he did so far was dismissing things (including townread on flipped town) or saying why some things can't be. Rather destructive type of posts. Between the lines he seemed on the fence about Galron too, but didn't really commit to it then.

VOTE: Kop

I would say based off of 189 I agree with you.

My vote is probably going on Kop or Gypyx today. I think you and ceejay seem pretty townie and Meg’s reaction to the flip sounded fine.

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VOTE: Kop

I echo my counterpart's sentiment of Kop or Gypyx, but I'm feeling stronger about Kop right now.

In particular, I'd like to know why it is you never bothered to move your vote somewhere actually useful.

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Do we think Sk aimed at Goon or cop?

Depends entirely on which immunity they chose, which we have no way of knowing at this point, so... I don't find this line of thinking useful or relevant.

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What's interesting is that his predecessor posted this about Galron:

I'm SK just btw everyone

Galron is scum based on page 1

Which makes me think he could at least be, uh... not mafia.

It could have been that Not_Mafia knew he wouldn't be taken seriously, and was performing light distancing. Also could have been that he was legitimately SK and telling the truth in both statements. Also could have been that he meant nothing at all.

In any case, I don't think it removes the possibility of them being buddies, especially without a vote backing it up. And though self-voting on entrance is Not_Mafia's standard, he DOES actually vote other people later, and since Kop also refused to do anything but shade... I like my odds here.

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i'm also actually wondering why Enchant is given a pass by so many peoples

Do you think Enchant is being scummy? Because I haven't seen anything that would necessitate him being "given a pass" yet.

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VOTE: Galron
Only thing that will go through today regretably

And does this look like Mafia bussing their buddy to you?

Making it a last-second compromise vote on a slot you openly townread kinda undoes whatever credit you might get from bussing otherwise

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I mean I was genuinely playing to avoid a Galron lim and the only difference there between scum! and town me there is probably motivation

If Meg is a Galron buddy making this post, I’d be seriously impressed because you very rarely see scum just straight up admit to that.

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While it is of course POSSIBLE that Meg is Galron's buddy, I think their behavior around the elimination looks more like how scum treats a mislim than a buddy. In fact, had Galron actually flipped Town or SK, I'd probably be on Meg now.

The townread without much substance, offering weak resistance to the wagon, then making an ostensibly reluctant hammer feels like the kind of thing scum does when they know a slot is going to flip green. However, that can't be the case since Galron did not actually flip green, so I'm more inclined to believe it was just a genuine read from Meg.

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What I really don't like here is how you're deflecting onto Meg without addressing your own behavior. It did seem like you were trying to shade Galron somewhat, but you never saw fit to vote there. Or anywhere else for that matter. Why?

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I mean I was genuinely playing to avoid a Galron lim

and the only difference there between scum! and town me there is probably motivation

If Meg is a Galron buddy making this post, I’d be seriously impressed because you very rarely see scum just straight up admit to that.

why

Because she’s straight up admitting to wanting to save Galron which is not something you typically see from a buddy.

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My concern isn't NECESSARILY that you didn't hammer Galron, it's that in your entire time in the game, you apparently didn't see any reason to vote for ANYONE, nor did Not_Mafia. Throughout the entirety of D1, your slot's vote was on itself, which is entirely useless.

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I also scumread Kop independently of Not_Mafia. Just that Not_Mafia didn't do anything to help that read while he was here

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I am mostly scumreading Kop here while my only doubts about that slot come from N_M's short interaction with Galron, which looks kind of weird. Kop is way too defensive imo.

How do you distinguish between N_Mtown and N_Mscum?

Imagine rolling SK and not playing.

NM simple not dick enough to annoy teammate with this opening. Regardless what you want to say, NM knows how to play.

So yeah, i can assure. Like, with 80% chance sure.

Playing or not playing is nia for NM. I’ve seen both town and scum games where he efforted and both town and scumgames where he did pretty much nothing.

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We're getting dangerously close to deadline, and someone needs to hammer.

I find it very telling that it takes being run up to E-1 and with very little time left to deadline for Kop to actually vote for anything, and I can't imagine him flipping green here.

Gypyx may or may not be the other scum (right now I'm thinking she probably is), but there's no point in moving wagons at the last second here.

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@Mod

Are kills mandatory?

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Not that I seriously think Mafia chooses not to kill here, just covering bases before jumping to conclusions

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So it's theoretically POSSIBLE Mafia just wanted to postpone MeLo for some reason...

But far more likely is that Mafia now knows who the SK is... and the Cop now knows their results can be trusted.

Since it wasn't Kop as Galron's partner, the only solve that makes sense to me right now is Meg Mafia and Gypyx SK.

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We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

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Whilst that is a convenient claim to make, I haven't exactly covered myself in glory to prove that I am, a VT. But I'm telling you the truth.

It's too close to deadline to switch to another wagon, but if I had to switch, the only real option that could flip scum, would be gypsy. I don't think she's exactly covered herself in glory.

I think the strong two town in my mind of Rats and Testarossa, that leaves the last scum and SK within enchant, Gyspy, meg and outside chance of ceejay.

My voting order personally would go in this order, gypsy. enchant, ceejay and Meg. I don't think I can see it being within the two town in my mind.

VOTE: Gypsy

I think we should probably follow dead town’s lead. Idk about Enchant because I think hiis stance on Kop looked pretty damned townie to me but Gypyx is still my strongest sr too.

VOTE: Gypyx

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We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

@RR why can’t Gypyx be mafia?

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I don't see Megscum shotting Gypyx here or vice versa. Both need the other to survive to D4 as the probability that town will just continue to hunt the second Goon in those two is pretty high. If only one is left, then... yeah.

The SK was on the Galron wagon (not counting Meg, since they only hammered in last minute). It's kind of the conclusion from the imaginality kill anyway imo.

Fixed D3 to D4. Forgot we are already at D3.

Why couldn’t SK have been offwagon?

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Official Vote Count 1.07

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Elimination

Galron

(4): Enchant, Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, ceejayvinoya

E-1

Gypyx

(2): imaginality, MegAzumarill

imaginality

(1): Gypyx

Kop

(1): Kop

39 Rats in a Trench Coat

(1): Galron

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-20 01:36:28).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive, 5 votes are required for Elimination.

Gypyx and Imaginality were voting each other and Imaginality just happened to be the nk.

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We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

@RR why can’t Gypyx be mafia?

Huh?

However, it’s also possible that Gypyx could be Galron buddy offwagon.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

@RR why can’t Gypyx be mafia?

Huh?

However, it’s also possible that Gypyx could be Galron buddy offwagon.

I was actually just confused why you were asking yourself why Gypyx can't be Mafia when you just voted her. I guess it wasn't the other hydra head then who voted, nevermind.

I am also confused as to why Nancy felt the need to post here instead of just asking me directly, but the answer is Gypyx COULD be, but I think Meg has a positive associative while Gypyx seems more unaligned.

Though I'm fine with the Gypyx vote, order's not terribly important here

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

On one hand, signing would help with these situations...

On the other hand, I think part of the fun of being a hydra is the blending, and signing negates that somewhat.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

On one hand, signing would help with these situations...

On the other hand, I think part of the fun of being a hydra is the blending, and signing negates that somewhat.

I usually forget anyway, so I usually don’t bother unless either people complain about it or it’s part of some gimmick.

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Can Cop claim already?

No, absolutely not, that’s a terrible idea!

Cop should only claim in the event of an actual result. Wtf are you even thinking with this? *smdh*

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

No. Cop claims when it's relevant.

It's true that we're in pseudo-MeLo, contingent on who SK targets. However, the cop can still claim if one of their inno results is put in danger of elimination, or if they have a guilty. If neither of those things happen, all claiming does is get the Cop killed.

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Also I do not think your whole 1v1 shitfest is actually going to happen.

If it does, whichever scum tries it, loses. Guaranteed. Either they lose the 1v1, or real Cop flips and they get killed the next day.

And remember how I said D1 you're secretly one of the better players on site? I think you know better than this, and just want to know who you need to kill tonight.

VOTE: Enchant

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Elimination.

Next day either has 2 Town/2 Scum or 3 Town/1 Scum. In either case, everyone who ISN'T the fakeclaimer is going to be voting the fakeclaimer. And then they die.

But you already knew that.

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You never claimed to be a good player, but you always have been from what I've seen. At least when you want to be.

You know as well as I do that the best way for scum to win is not by taking a 50/50 counterclaim that leads to either immediate death or banking on kingmaker that may not actually happen. It's by outing and killing the cop before they get caught, just as you're trying to do now.

You suggesting that, and putting it in a big serious looking wall? That's not Town!you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Cop will claim when it is relevant. To do so sooner is gamethrowing.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Can Cop claim already?

Careful what you wish for

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Well everyone's checked in after the claim, and no one's countered, so............

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Okay hold on a second.

@Gypyx. What is the EXACT nature of your result? Do you get told which scum, or just a Guilty/Innocent?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I play too many closed setups, sorry.

In that case though... We stay the course.

It is POSSIBLE that Enchant is Mafia and not SK, in which case we end up worse off than if we just eliminate him now and play the game the way it was supposed to be played.

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2v1 is worse than 3v1

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And it's not like we lose input since testarossa has all the info they are going to get tomorrow either way

When it gets to that final decision, I think we'll all benefit from having a conftown alive. Sure there won't be any new information, but it gives us someone we know we can trust and discuss in good faith with.

We won't have that if Enchant is Mafia and we end up in a true Elo instead.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Because you like chaos

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

More hilarious than Town selling their soul to an SK that wasn't even an SK?

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Official Vote Count 1.08 FINAL

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Elimination

Galron

(5): Enchant, Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, ceejayvinoya, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Gypyx

(1): imaginality

imaginality

(1): Gypyx

Kop

(1): Kop

39 Rats in a Trench Coat

(1): Galron

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-20 01:36:28).

Mod notes:

An elimination has been achieved.

Galron was a

Spoiler:

Even-Day Mafia Goon

Night 1 begins! It will last for (expired on 2022-10-21 21:15:26). If you have night actions, be sure to send them to me before the deadline.

Based off of this VC we know mafia had to bus since everyone offwagon is either cop or dead. And we know Tetra is clear.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Gypyx and Testarossa should be the one to make the final call on this as the clears, but EV for town win can't go down on a no lim here

Regardless of Enchant telling the truth, regardless of Enchant following through with the plan our EV doesn't decrease

I’m fine with that but if we lim, who else would we lim other than confiscum accordingly to you?

Just to be clear, I do want a lim and on confiscum.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Hilariously, i had Rats as townread, before this day.
Afterwards there was slip that Rats knew i am exactly SK (message "you want to reveal Cop and kill him" are kinda aimed at one side) and starting pushing me for plan which completely makes sense


I don't know if i am right or wrong.

No, it only means that you want to out the cop by doing that, want them dead.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You could be either Mafia or SK. All we know for sure is you’re scum.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I’m not convinced Enchant can’t be mafia here bssing, so I just hope this doesn’t lose us the game.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Actually I think I might have hit upon the real solve here. Enchant is Mafia and Meg is SK.

I've been sitting here trying to work out in my head and with Nancy how Meg can possibly think not having conftown alive for endgame is better than having conftown alive, and it actually does make sense from a scum perspective. Supporting this no-lim scheme is a solid way to look town, and since it ends up putting them in a slightly better position than otherwise, they might as well.

So yeah, we just vote Enchant, and if he flips Mafia, go for Meg. If he does flip SK, then well. We play Mafia, like we all signed up to do.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I don't think we lose. I actually think we're pretty set to win this regardless.

I DO think that Enchant's scheme is the most boring and unfun way possible to achieve that victory. I'd settle for it if it were actually a guaranteed win, but it is not. There's a chance we get screwed over by it, even if the magnitude of screwing is relatively small.

I want to play Mafia. I don't want to play wait 48+ hours in between naked votes. Eliminating the scum we caught now is the best play Town has without gambling on whether Enchant is being honest in his proposal to turn this game into a meaningless series of waiting for deadlines.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You are also the only person against the plan, and the only person negatively impacted by it is exactly testarossa or mafia that isn't enchant.

:Hmmm:

Tetra is confitown here? Wut

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Tetra is the person that dies before elo in worse case scenario

I don’t see how confitown dies before cop, which is what I think most likely happens tonight and why it’s such a bsd plan.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Yeah, Gypyx dies regardless, but we don't need to let Testarossa die also is my point.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I DO think that Enchant's scheme is the most boring and unfun way possible to achieve that victory.

I know i promised last post, but... Well


If you really-really wish to give mafia "Honest" fighting chance (which i don't understand), then you can give it to me as well (strange plea, i know, but continue reading pls).
You already know, Gypix are innocent and Testarossa is check, therefore also innocent.
You also know i am SK. Well i know i am SK, you just know i am evil.

Nothing of it changes ot Elo, if you kill me right now. Same situation.


So mafia (well i know mafia) hides in 39 Rats in a Trench Coat/MegAzumarill/ceejayvinoya.
So... Go ahead, try to hunt mafia today. If you failed, you as well would had failed next day after killing me (because you would had exact same info in elo, as you have now), and mafia would had won. Except right now, if you fail, mafia doesh't win, we just go in kingmaker. In which i have chance as well (not big one).

And if you success, well. Where i hide?


So, why don't you if you wish interesting gameplay? Hypocrite much? Or i am less deserving this sportsmanship? If so, then why?

I really don’t understand what you mean by this? I want to do what’s best for town obviously and since I don’t believe there’s any reason for us to trust your claim, you’re going to have to explain this to me.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

My issue - other than the obvious of you being guiltied scum of course - is that in addition to it being in your interest to claim SK here whether as mafia or actual SK to not get elimmed today and then as you just rightly pointed out, you have a history of fakeclaiming and trolling. It makes you very fun to play with but less to understand how your mind works.

So up to you whether or not you want to elaborate more on what you were talking about but it’s hard not to agree with Tetra that no limming is suboptimal here.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I have some thoughts, but not sure if it can wait till next day. Unless next day is checkmate when we got no lim.

I kind of want to know who everyone has as the second scum.

We think it basically has to be Meg. I actually had her pegged as cop until she said she thought we were cop, and though Nancy disagreed with me on that, it's not crazy to think that Mafia had the same idea as I did if she's SK. And then she also has the best chance of anyone here at being Galron's partner, so. Either way, you're conftown, I can't see ceejay as scum here, and I'm me, so it has to be Meg.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Considering we are straight heading for the no lim route (not by vote but by the timer running out) we don't really have any other option than hoping for the best, otherwise... yeah.

Enchant kills Meg

And Gypyx or whoever replaces her Cop checks in ceejay/Rats.

In theory the game would be over by that. If it happens is a different story.

How can Enchant kill Meg if Meg is SK?

The fact is we don’t know who the SK actually is and your trusting a player who’s mech guiltied.

No lim is making unconfirmed assumptions.

I think that’s gamethrowing. Shouldn’t we wait for both Gypyx and ceejay to check in?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

VOTE: Enchant

As someone who learned this game without no lims I can't really bring myself to vote that, so in doubt just kill the guilty. Everyone should decide for themselves though.

@Meg:
Also happy bday, even although I am out for your blood. If it's not you, who is the scum between ceejay and rats?

What happened to this?

Enchant is fooling you with his very likely fakeclaim. We might as well just congratulate him now.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why you panic so much?

Panic, more like outrage that mech guilty scum with a history of fakeclaiming is going to bamboozle his way to a win. You deserve a scummie for pulling this off, I’m seriously impressed.


However, maybe not because maj lim + lack of 36 hour prods also contributed to your eventual win too.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why as town would I vote someone other than you when you’re mech guiltied?

If we can’t get you limmed due to lack of 36 hr prods not being enforced and badly designed setup, there’s obviously no way we get the other scum today who isn’t.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why as town would I vote someone other than you when you’re mech guiltied?

If we can’t get you limmed due to lack of 36 hr prods not being enforced and badly designed setup, there’s obviously no way we get the other scum today who isn’t.

I’m referring to maj lim because we could probably get you limmed if it was plurality but in order to get a maj lim, the 36 hr prods would have to have been enforced and on time.

So the outcome of this game will 100% be decided by this, so I understand why RR said this setup is “unfun and boring” now.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

If I do die tonight I do believe the correct play is to vote Enchant tomorrow -> 39 Rats but we should have a mech-win if I die so w/e

You obviously can’t die tonight if you’re SK. And your complete lack of skepticism is one of the reasons I think you’re scum > ceejay. If you were town here, you wouldn’t be so quick to go along with this, considering Enchant has a history of fakeclaiming but you aren’t even questioning the possibility that he could be mafia making this up.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why as town would I vote someone other than you when you’re mech guiltied?

Because if you vote me, but fail to deduce mafia after i and Gypix die, mafia will win instantly and your elimination of me was worthless help to mafia.
If you instead tried to kill mafia today, mafia will not instawin, but will be put at kingmaker with me, which everyone can win, including me.

So eliming me only ensures mafia win if you are wrong and does nothing to help your situation.


So yeah, that's kinda reason to not vote me. Not including my offer which guarantee town win of course.

We only have one mech guiltied scum and that’s you. If we can’t get you limmed due to maj lim and 36 hr prods not being enforced so close to deadline, how tf do you think anyone other than you would get limmed today?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Uh i am not elimmed because i agreed to help town win instantly uh.... i guessssssss

Yeah because I’m 100% certain that Gypyx and ceejay not being prodded after 36 hrs and maj lim has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

And you obviously not “helping town”.

You might as well ask me - someone with dyspraxia - for directions.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Gypix already said he wants no-lim as well.

I mean SHE. I forgot, sorry.

She didn’t get to read Tetra’s reasoning. She who is confiitown, is clearly not onboard with this terrible plan but understands we have no choice due to deadline, maj lim and prods not being enforced on time.

Are you seriously in good faith going to argue that this isn’t true?

Please stop insulting my intelligence with this.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

This is why. There’s no way mafia didn’t bus.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

The lim today should be a no lim.
The lim tomorrow is Enchant but we have time to discuss between the remaining people.
The lim the next day (ELO) would be what we discussed on. (One of me/you/ceejay, depending on who is alive/result of the nk/check etc.)

I personally trend toward Ceejay as Galron's partner but I'll reread day 1 about it.

One thing to consider is that tomorrow we'll need to assume both the SK!Enchant world and the Mafia!Enchant world.

I mean I think me switching my vote from Gypyx to Galron day 1 significantly helped in getting Galron elimmed but okay

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

This is why. There’s no way mafia didn’t bus.

@Tetra

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

And you obviously not “helping town”.

You might as well ask me - someone with dyspraxia - for directions.

I hate town actually, but mafia managed to screw me over SO MUCH it's actually balanced against them.


So yeah, if i can't win, i make faction which forced me to lose - lose as well. ANd no, it's not town.

You repeating this 50,000 times isn’t convincing of anything other than your obvious desperation to live another day.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Gypix already said he wants no-lim as well.

I mean SHE. I forgot, sorry.

She didn’t get to read Tetra’s reasoning. She who is confiitown, is clearly not onboard with this terrible plan but understands we have no choice due to deadline, maj lim and prods not being enforced on time.

Are you seriously in good faith going to argue that this isn’t true?

Please stop insulting my intelligence with this.

Eh.

I don't want to be blunt, but Testarossa just fears even 0.1% chance of dying and places survivalism higher than town win.

Like it's maximal egoism level.

I can’t even. *insert head exploding gif*

My neurons and synapses just officially went on permanent vaycay.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

If anyone doesn’t view 449 from Enchant as an admission that my solve is correct here, then I don’t know what to say.

The idea that a confitown would prioritize survivalism > winning is probably the scummiest, ridiculous thing I’ve probably ever heard said in any mafia game ever.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Everyone still alive except Gypyx was on that wagon including confitown!Tetra.

So everyone helped lim him.

This is why. There’s no way mafia didn’t bus.

I mean, obviously, but straight from the beginning without doing anything else? Ehhh, I suspect a busser is more among you/ceejay/Meg. Enchant's play overall just looks more like a lone wolf trying to stay under the radar.

Why? Since everyone alive but Gypyx voted him?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I already fucking explained this. We have maj lim, it’s the weekend, 36 hr prods weren’t enforced on time and Gypyx and ceejay are inactive.

Both Tetra and us want to play to correct town wincon but the setup + above is probably the reason scum will win this and it sucks.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why? Since everyone alive but Gypyx voted him?

Nah, he made it serious when he was the only vote on Galron and doubled down when Gypyx wagon just went 3:3 with Galron. He had several opportunities to back off and never did. He genuinely wanted to lim scum.

How is this not true for everyone who was on that wagon?

Only Galron obviously, dead town and Gypyx were off it.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Both Tetra and us want to play to correct town wincon

Actually if you are town, you gamethrowing right now.

No I’m not but it’s not like I even have a choice anyway. I already explained all of this in 434.

I don’t even understand why you’re so worried, scum autowins because of partially your bamboozling town + the above. You should be ecstatic now, not freaking out, so why are you?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Why? Since everyone alive but Gypyx voted him?

Nah, he made it serious when he was the only vote on Galron and doubled down when Gypyx wagon just went 3:3 with Galron. He had several opportunities to back off and never did. He genuinely wanted to lim scum.

How is this not true for everyone who was on that wagon?

Only Galron obviously, dead town and Gypyx were off it.

I mean ceejay was temporarily off it and Meg only hammered. And ceejay abandoned the Gypyx wagon right after Enchant doubled down. Everyone had alternatives, he simply didn't do anything else. Unless he is a notorious hardbusser.

Enchant did hardbus his last buddy in PYP.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

And you obviously not “helping town”.

You might as well ask me - someone with dyspraxia - for directions.

I hate town actually, but mafia managed to screw me over SO MUCH it's actually balanced against them.


So yeah, if i can't win, i make faction which forced me to lose - lose as well. ANd no, it's not town.

I'm not going to touch anything else going on here, but I do just want to say that it was the cop that actually screwed you over here. Even if you ARE actually SK, Mafia couldn't have outed you without outing themselves, which they obviously wouldn't have done. The only reason you're confscum is the cop check. Without that check, you'd have had a chance to kill Mafia before they could do anything to hurt you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

vote count 3.final

with 12 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

yeet

Wallflower [7]:

Enchant

, Harley Quinn, Dwlee99, implosion, Save The Dragons, Titus, Gamma Emerald

[HAMMER]

Enchant [2]:

Bellaphant, Wallflower

not voting [3]:

Roden, Aristeia, Ausuka

mod notes

~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Wallflower has been yeeted day 3. she was a

mafia goon

.

the sun sets, it is now night 3. sunrise in (expired on 2022-06-24 00:30:00).

due to not posting in the last 24 hours, Roden and implosion must reply to the nightstart pm to let me know if they're still playing.

Official Vote Count 1.08 FINAL

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Elimination

Galron

(5): Enchant, Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, ceejayvinoya, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Gypyx

(1): imaginality

imaginality

(1): Gypyx

Kop

(1): Kop

39 Rats in a Trench Coat

(1): Galron

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-20 01:36:28).

Mod notes:

An elimination has been achieved.

Galron was a

Spoiler:

Even-Day Mafia Goon

Night 1 begins! It will last for (expired on 2022-10-21 21:15:26). If you have night actions, be sure to send them to me before the deadline.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I love desperation in your messages, which you trying to cover with lol emojis.

470 debunks Tetra’s theory that you couldn’t be mafia bussing and you were first on the wagon in PYP as well.

I use lol emojis all the damn time but as I pointed out, you’re not getting limmed -despite it obviously being the correct play today - so I don’t understand why you’re even fighting this so hard. Tetra and us can’t do anything, which has already been made clear.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

At this point we've said what we can say. If the rest of the Town ever shows up, they can make their decision on that. Regardless of what happens, I don't see a point in continuing to flood the thread arguing about it.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I do it for amusement.

I would be too in your position but I’d also be feeling kind of icky that everything posted in 434 helped you exponentially avoid being limmed today.

But congrats is still valid despite that greatly contributing to town loss.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

At this point we've said what we can say. If the rest of the Town ever shows up, they can make their decision on that. Regardless of what happens, I don't see a point in continuing to flood the thread arguing about it.

+1

That’s what’s so extremely frustrating about all this. We have confiscum we can’t get limmed today due to both gullible town Gypyx and probably ceejay as well + 434.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I do it for amusement.

I would be too in your position but I’d also be feeling kind of icky that everything posted in 434 helped you exponentially avoid being limmed today.

But congrats is still valid despite that greatly contributing to town loss.

Well thanks!

It doesh't lead to town loss though, i am genuine attacking Meg.

If and a big fucking IF you’re not actually messing with us because if Mega is SK like we think, she obviously just kills Gypyx here not you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I think that Enchant and other scum should just concede and end this farce.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I actually just know you are mafia, because if you was town, mafia would just support you and elim me and avoid losing scenario.

I just pretend like i believe you are town and you pretend like you don't believe me that i am SK.

Am I supposed to pretend you’re town? No I don’t believe it, why tf should I?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

It doesn’t matter what I believe anyway, scum autowins regardless.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You tried to out cop before claim which made the cop a sitting duck for scum to kill them. I’m seriously done with your bs.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Name even one game where you don’t fakeclaim and why anyone should believe you’re not doing that this time?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Name even one game where you don’t fakeclaim and why anyone should believe you’re not doing that this time?

It would be absolutely hilarious if other scum outed and CC’d your SK claim. That would make this game a bonafide meme.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

if we can’t get you limmed despite mech guilty, even if there actually existed a plausible argument to lim someone else and in that case, I’d probably want to lim Mega, it won’t happen and that’s assuming anyone could make a reasonable argument for limming anyone who isn’t you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I can make reasonable argument for limming not me.

You have so far only advocated for no lim, not made a case why we should lim someone else.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I did.

I just know you will not do it.

Link/quote?

It’s not up to us regardless because it looks like it’s almost a slam dunk that no lim is happening.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Like i said you can try to hunt mafia instead of no-lim/killing me, if you want, which doesn't hurt you actually.

I think we very clearly have been doing that. There’s only two possibilities for other scum and we think Mega > ceejay but it’s of course possible he could be scum lurking out but I think Mega’s more likely based off of play.

I actually don’t see why it’s in the other scum’s wincon to eliminate/kill you when you still get to vote.

I think if you aren’t actually fucking with us and are SK, then it’s in mafia’s interest to keep you alive.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

If Enchant is SK then his best chance at winning is killing Gypyx and trusting that mafia if they’re not absolute idiots would realize that it’s in their best interest not to lim/kill him but that’s a humongous if, because all we know for sure is he’s confiscum.

But that’s literally his only chance which is why if he’s on the level here with that claim he would want to help town because he has 0 shot in that case.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

If Enchant is SK then his best chance at winning is killing Gypyx and trusting that mafia if they’re not absolute idiots would realize that it’s in their best interest not to lim/kill him but that’s a humongous if, because all we know for sure is he’s confiscum.

But that’s literally his only chance which is why if he’s on the level here with that claim he would want to help town because he has 0 shot in that case.

So that’s why I’m so skeptical of that claim because I don’t understand why if Enchant is actually SK here, he gives up his only possible shot at achieving wincon by townsiding.

It would be absolutely hilarious though if we wind up winning because Enchant wound up being SK who threw away his only shot at winning.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Mafia can't do shit to save me, nor they care.

If mafia actually cared about keeping me alive, they would CC Gypix claim and go for HONORABLE FIGHT with me in kingmaker.

Assuming you’re not actually lying here, why would mafia do that? Mafia fake CCs cop, Gypyx gets miselimmed and mafia outs themselves, then gets limmed next day.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You could no kill and then offer a hand-written apology to the Mafia?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You asked what you could do to not lose. Maybe Mafia will respect your apology and be friends, and then you can murder us together and we definitely do not eliminate you the next day.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I’m not sure other scum is Mega anymore. I honestly don’t know what to think but she’s been making some really good points.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I’m not sure other scum is Mega anymore. I honestly don’t know what to think but she’s been making some really good points.

Eh, I still think it's her. A side effect of our efforts to prevent this scheme is that the real Mafia doesn't have to. If we sway enough people to prevent it, their best chance is to be on the side that wanted an "auto-win." And if we aren't able to convince enough people, they wouldn't have either, so they'd just guarantee their loss.

Perhaps it may have been better to pretend to be on board, and force Mafia to out themselves, then if no one did we could be more sure on Enchant being Mafia instead of SK. But that ship has sailed, and here we are.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You asked what you could do to not lose. Maybe Mafia will respect your apology and be friends, and then you can murder us together and we definitely do not eliminate you the next day.

Fine.

I apologize to mafia, i am so sorry your aim so fucked up, you managed to hit me instead of Cop or literally any other VT. May god grant you more training in call of duty after i help town decimate you for this mistake.


Will it work? Because even if i no-kill, Gypix still gets check, and town still holds majority.
Like what stant you even trying to force on me?

Nah, it's gotta be hand-written or they won't buy it.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Really though, all this talk about CCing Cop into Kingmaker, and had you not started the day asking for Cop claims you could have done that yourself instead of relying on Mafia to be suicidal for you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

They can come to me home, i write it personally and give autograph to boot.

Here ya go. lmfaoooo

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I am surprised you not asking me to selfkill.

Ftr, I’m still extremely skeptical that you aren’t mafia but in either case, I find it extremely funny that you’re blaming other scum for your mistakes.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

For what it's worth, I'd have believed you over Gypyx if you'd counterclaimed

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

For what it's worth, I'd have believed you over Gypyx if you'd counterclaimed

Well. Assuming you hadn't been copfishing beforehand.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

VOTE: Gypix

Putting me at E-1 without waiting for Cop CC, and you call me gamethrower?

I honestly don’t know why you expected this to work other than by CCing her.

And had you not also tried to out cop.

We obviously wanted to lim Gypyx before all of this.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Official Vote Count 2.03 FINAL

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Elimination

Kop

(4): Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, ceejayvinoya, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Gypyx

(2): Enchant, Kop

MegAzumarill

(1): Gypyx

Not Voting

(1): Kop

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-28 21:22:19).

Mod notes:

An elimination has been achieved.

I think other scum messed up with this vote, so I guess whether SK or mafia, they probably deserve to lose for this alone.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Yeah. Who would knew how game goes next, if we forced claim from Gypix.

But town insisted on liming obvtown.

I wish I was confident on who the last scum is. I was pretty sure it was Mega but I obviously disagree with RR because she’s been giving me a lot to think about.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Well, no sense beating around the bush any longer. We had a good run. And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling Serial Killers.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Two days.

I have reasonings to consider Kop not evil, due me being close to NM and understanding his nature.

Nancy and I thought this was an inno soft, that's why we targeted you Enchant.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I admit to feeling somewhat cheated out of a win here, but at the same time, you were right that we would have outed you if we got eliminated, so y'know. Only fair that it goes both ways I suppose.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I won’t say gg because we lost due to late prods, maj lim and inactive slots prior to deadline, because had that not happened, we could have gotten Enchant eliminated.

And he misplayed by outing cop and not CCing them and we thought he was cop because it look like he softed cop wrt to his Kop read.

I even told the mod how the late prods prior to deadline because of maj lim essentially fucked us. Whatever.

I look forward to returning the favour someday. @Enchant.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

@mod Meg is still listed in the VC.

VOTE: 39 rats

Umm hello, we already conceded, like your vote doesn’t matter.

Also, Enchant is confiscum too or did you forget. Are you going to reward the SK?

I will not respect Enchant’s suboptimal play here. At least we played honourably and you want to reward a player who messed up and punished us for it , well fine. I hope you enjoy your dirty victory Enchant. I hope it was worth it to you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Sorry that was probably unnecessarily harsh but I’m seriously pissed about this. Anyone would be.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Our only mistake is not switching our vote to Gypyx but I do respect you conceding, I’m still pissed but at least you’re doing that.

It just really sucks when you play well and you get fucked by the setup essentially.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Official Vote Count 3.04 FINAL

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Elimination

Enchant

(2): 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, Testarossa

No Elim

(2): Enchant, MegAzumarill

Not Voting

(2): Gypyx, ceejayvinoya

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-11-07 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

No majority has been reached. Nobody has been eliminated. It is now Night 3, which will last (expired on 2022-11-09 09:56:58).

Will be looking for a replacement for Gypyx. ceejayvinoya must PM me within 24 hours or I will seek replacement.

THIS is why I’m so pissed. People not voting Enchant weren’t voting no lim either, they just weren’t voting and Gypyx and ceejay slots never returned to vote one way or the other.

We lost due to deadline running out for maj lim.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You got fucked by thinking that i let my inno check eliminated as Cop.

Yes because you said you were “80% sure” and we thought that because SK can pick bp, which you did, so that factored into it. Prior to that, we thought it was Mega.

We never in a gazillion years thought it could be Gypyx.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Also we didn’t want to bus Galron but he was super obvious scum, so we really didn’t have much choice in the matter. You will see when the scum pt gets released. We tried to help him but he didn’t listen to us. :/

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Actually there is a world in which I decide to target Meg for some reason but by the end of my skim I was scumreading 39 rats the most.

Well there’s a good reason for that, the apparent plan was for Gypyx to cop ceejay and we knew by virtue of PoE we were donezo in that case, so had we had a crystal ball, we might have still been able to pull it off.

We had no choice. We were in such a great position until Enchant insisted on fucking us. :/

Which I won’t forget.