Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

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funny duality of man haha

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is there an iso it would be helpful for me to try to give an immediate opinion on, if not I'll just start trudging through from the start ig lmao

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I decided to just read literally the whole thing, this feels more worth it

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reached around page 35

pretty strongly dont like Tbone

was originally uneasy abt shea but as time progressed I agreed with like 90% of things he said and not half that much for anyone else + norwee just on this page got wolfy enough where I was like screw it, just gonna go with this is t v w

pooky probably villager although I dont liek that outside of his couple rly strong wolfreads, it doesnt feel like he cares to develop any broader worldview at all

I feel surprisingly little else

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who said that brou

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pooky citing the "panties in a bunch" thing 18 different times is kinda funny

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I shouldve posted more things I was thinking before reading this crap completely wore my brain out, Jesus christ

Why do I keep coming back to forum mafia

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lmfao no way that's relevant, I must've gone through puberty and everything since then

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someone's asking me to watch a movie so not even gonna finish up or proofread this, just hitting submit

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honestly would give this post rly little credence/I myself don't personally trust it but maybe something resonates
I just feel like I shouldve been posting much more about my progression of thoughts so here are some what I've been thinking I guess idk lmao

sheep

tsq is fine
pooky is fine
enchant - just sheeping the thread, on my to-do-list to understand the meta here / check whether it's still valid. dead null to me personally, maybe even lean wolf lolz

cakez - didn't love that one catchup, idk it felt more like selecting a conclusion about a player and then affirming it while moving through the thread, rather than the natural other way around. but at the same time the level of sheer genuine tilt is probably just villa 80%
gamma ?? - feels like, worst ratio of volume to anything actually memorable (beyond the early challenge) but from what I remember this might be more of a calmer playstyle thing than AI
shirou ??? - no clue would honestly rather just sheep my town reads here than try to conclude things. this "sacrifice for deadsheep" thing is ridiculous tho just hang wolfy ppl
alisae ?? - I like the posts on a micro level, but the overall worldview is a bit hard to buy, like the "im so confident everyone's town that im desperate for a PP flip, which if it's a villager would shake me"
std - was actually one of my top towns up to a point, but I think when people started sussing him he responded really badly. e.g. freedom-tunnel was done in a too easy/lazy way I didnt like, like wolf reading freedom there is fine but it was a bit overdone
Norwee
tbone - would need to reread stuff to legit formulate a push. I remember thinking his reaction to the challenge was dreadful before reaching TSQ posting the same thing. The stance on voting pooky because of wanting to preserve teammate and stuff was a pretty bothersome out from actually solving, which it ended up being; idk how to describe better. like the justification with past experiences and stuff actually made some sense, but there was still a weird disconnect between deciding to vote pooky and absolutely no acknowledgement of pooky's AI content, which was like triple anyone else's at that point. disliked some other posts but no clue by now. my brain has stopped critical thinking by the time there's a wave of interesting solving from this slot page 70


PP/Psyche - obv dead null so far but I dont want to define a "dead null" location on my list it's too 3d/fluid

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pg 94, randomly feel like an update is warranted

-liking std more, mind melding

-gamma is pretty bad
has had wolfy vibes overall but in particular took a stance on shirou v alisae by being like "shirou says the game feels so easy rn, and I had a similar worldview earlier in the game where it felt easy," and thus aligns hard with shirou, dont like that

i think gamma needs to get limmed my tr is completely gone

I’ll grant that your Alisae read isn’t as bad as it seemed at first but I still don’t trust you when you’re going after the most obvtown player in the challenge imo, and I don’t like your shade of Haschel.

this is also like a pretty bad response lmfao

-no actual clue abt shirou v alisae, but I find it interesting that I think shea + shirou have overlapped on a line of reasoning abt alisae
actually looking back I guess there's Less overlap than I thought, but they're both (in rly different instances) like "alisae drifts in 'idk abt anything' until suddenly developing stances that feel more based on the thread's reads than natural solving" and both times I nodded along and liked them for the line of reasoning for a few minutes

-need someone to clarify to me the seeming consensus on enchant, I've read rly varying perspectives from like Objectively effectively inno child here to like, my predecessor saying theyre wolfy and no one actually trying to convince him otherwise with explanation lol. like is it like old-creature-meta type or just a bunch of ppl have exaggeratedly strong reads.
but either way it seems weird/impossible to assert that this stuff, like, is def villager lmao, even by extreme meta. like in creature's case the villa-lock thing was him producing, meaningful content. that he supposedly couldnt fake

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fuck u

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I feel like 4 wolves in this setup instead of 3 is crazy lol wtf

granted im not familiar with the site's standards

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I feel like gamma has a wolfy disconnect between seeming confidence in her reads and the wonkiest justification for them

like, I actually feel like almost everyone likes to 100% confidently assert this person is town/scum for the most weirdly weak reasons, but even then gamma is the only one who has stood out to me as doing it in a hard-to-believe way.

like i just read the sequence in P#2591 for example. just think it's p bad lol.
guess it's more of a tonal thing than what the actual stances are like

will have it on my to-do list to try to look for other examples

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The wild part is I give odd justifications for reads always, so the reasons sheep gives in his last post are playstyle ones

Are you trying to say I’m wolf with this post

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Would not be surprised if sheep is scum
This is kinda OMGUS but I’m also the only read he’s bothered to talk about in any detail

He detailed a scumread on me too, not just you. I also found it lacking because he decided to scumread me for pushing for Pooky's lim even though that's not what happened.

nothing against pushing pooky. it's more like it never felt (at least early d1, not sure about later down the line) that u tried to sort between pooky/cakez/whoever else was in the pool, and the only ever sort of acknowledgement was that u felt like choosing pooky cuz u wanted ur neighbor alive, which isnt a valid excuse to not still have interest in deliberating their alignments

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Ehhh idrk what I’m supposed to say to either part of that

like I’ll put looking at meta on my to-do list ig

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Oh I see what ur talking abt saying ur the only read I explain

i was tryna say less when I had read less cuz I just thought those thoughts were less valid / relevant; wasn’t amazingly confident in anything + bound to change based on what happened since
like I rly relate to what psyche was saying when he had recently replaced in

don’t see why this would be wolf indicative tho

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idk

just feels like u say tons of stuff but none of it ever builds to a coherent/memorable worldview the way it does for others

maybe I'll read ur iso later and see things different

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I guess what I v-read about shea is he just feels unagenda'd lol

like you could say that his agenda is technically just to get rid of his unchanging wolfreads
but it feels like if he were a wolf he'd be temped to pick one of the billions of ways to have a greater affect on things
and it doesnt' seem like the staticness is meant to try to be villa-read in any way

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who is obv

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viewtopic.php?p=13623440#p13623440

best post ive read in the game so far

will start decreasing frequency of updates again

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not close to caught up, falling behind actually, but this shirou response to norwe being swapped in is pretty bad regardless of flip

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oh

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should I vote shirou or avoid hammer
literally just LMK, I want in on the fun I feel left out

(do genuinely think it's wolf to be clear)

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ok wait yeah I'd wait for legacy reads just in case

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sheep
TSQ

tbone

psyche
enchant

dunnstral
gamma

std
cakez

shirou

eh

roughly idk

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viewtopic.php?t=90333&start=3575

rly like psyche's case on alisae on this page, p singlehandedly makes me like psyche and worry more abt alisae

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also think shirou treatment of psyche in that area is incredibly w->v

(very soon after Titus died and then alisae challenged psyche and then shirou+alisae realized it was M-ELO or what the term is but were still like ahh let's just hang psyche, I can detail more if ppl are curious)

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based on what im reading rn, the rly easy answer has been shirou/alisae/cakez but I sort of see how the Ali sub-out put a rly odd dent in that

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almost feel like it would be inefficient to do a ton of critical thinking atm before flip Cuz it would all be heavily based off a very tunneled Shirou w world, which I slightly doubt here and there

Also psyche is so pure bruh

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reading std is the weirdest ever

obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)

literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex

Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose

also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpoints
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag

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sheep - sheep

shea - shea

std - villager, is definitely thinking rly hard, it's not just random bs

enchant - im just gonna sheep my towncore's read on enchant, but if I end up in F3 with him and no one at any point explained intricately what to think abt this meta-wise, then im gonna kill someone

Psyche

gamma - worrying but tonally is villager

Tbone - has the best vibes like it felt like town had a brief 2 hour good period and he was a seamlessly natural part of it idk


—a line—

leaves Dunn/shirou/cake

Wasnt even intentional to end up with literally 3 ppl, was meant to be a normal realist

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VOTE: shirou

was here

e-3

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nah it's informed cuz im so scarily dead-on

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VOTE: dunn

will do something meaningful again at some point . one day

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reading std is the weirdest ever

obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)

literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex

Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose

also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpoints
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag

sheep - sheep

shea - shea

std - villager, is definitely thinking rly hard, it's not just random bs

enchant - im just gonna sheep my towncore's read on enchant, but if I end up in F3 with him and no one at any point explained intricately what to think abt this meta-wise, then im gonna kill someone

Psyche

gamma - worrying but tonally is villager

Tbone - has the best vibes like it felt like town had a brief 2 hour good period and he was a seamlessly natural part of it idk


—a line—

leaves Dunn/shirou/cake

Wasnt even intentional to end up with literally 3 ppl, was meant to be a normal realist

These are 12 hours apart. Gamma loses town points for their bad perspective on the scumteam...and then Sheep produces the same scumteam in their next post. What?

this kind of sloppiness on read progressions is waaaaay more likely to come from town.

I mean sheep is barely present, I could see it simply being a case where sheep forgot what he told the thread.

lmfao how on earth is that more likely than I decided he's probably town

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she* sorry

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oh wait

it's that I misread gamma's post I think?? as non-sarcastic

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to be fair I dont think I actually at all impacted the last couple flips happening

I'd expect shea to townread me more for the fact that our worldviews have been really really really really similar

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her post says it's a townteam, and looking back from modern day it was very clearly not a townteam

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can u talk abt the dunn pt stuff

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honestly did not read it because I figured in terms of PT those two would be capable of faking literally anything

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theres an annual hydra event on mafia universe, and like a rly similar "team mafia", where it's completely common practice if you roll wolf to still do the whole chatting thing roleplaying villagers the whole game in case anyone asks

and alisae at least has been on that site

sometimes ofc the content of the chatting is definitely from villagers but it at least renders the existence of real game-related conversations NAI

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ok I see the slip yeah

would clear cakez, tbone, gamma?

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how do u do that tho the pt color is so different lmfao

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VOTE: enchant

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personally thought enchant the least likely of the 3 until he started lolcatting

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swap me, kill me, when i flip green kill psyche because it seems like a

pretty obvious

bus to me

like fine, you disagree with me, it's possible and probably likely i'm just wrong here

but it'd be a mistake to just rule it out

open wolfing

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nah psyche is an innocent child

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think theres a dissonance between the two posts between 100% confident and "im not confident at all" thats just flailing

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lol maybe I'll try to stop procrastinating and write out why the people are wolves

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I would certainly describe enchant today as trolling or lolcatting

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STD too is 90% like, the wolfteam was trying to power a psyche lim, didn't play out and suddenly wolves were losing badly and no idea wtf to do, so he just latches onto what he knows / what progress has been made toward which is tryna steamroll psyche

the perspective is just like, literally that unbelievable lol.
both the premise that psyche was more likely a bus than villager, and the wonky way it's been presented in the past couple days or whatever

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Honestly I think dunn/std fits better lol I wouldn’t haven’t swapped in enchant, but this still needs to go

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If that's your solve, literally the entire scum team and no one else was voting psyche at one point

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.08

Pysche (4): Dunnstral, Shirou, Save The Dragons, NorwegianboyEE ,
Dunnstral (1) : Psyche ,
Shirou (3) : T-Bone, SirCakez, Thestatusquo,

Not Voting (4): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

ya sure

when I get home I'll re-examine what im thinking abt start of D3

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nah psyche is an innocent child

What is your read on the gamestate?

Shirou/norwe + something like dunn-std picked Villa Psyche as the hang before Elo but I’ve still been putting off picking out quotes

but enchant does need to be resolved

Do think this is consensus but wolves went from winning to losing recently
Though the only person who felt rejuvenated is shea who was already clear

Have been saying am p sure it’s just within std/enchant/dunn, but not as 100% confident as I’d like
Obv if we hit a v flip I’ll think v hard abt life

Tbone is fine
Ur fine
Cakez has some spew cred ig meh

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Is the Loved legit gonna save enchant

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What is this spew cred Cakez has?

I think I was tunneling std a bit hard and subconsciously gave cakez cred for something there + Norwe’s swap looks good for him on rly surface level lol

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And the fact that there is this much sustained pressure for limming him is absurd.

it feels like scum really don't want Shirou to go through so the alternatives are getting tons of pressure

possibly too accurate to be wolf

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gamma can u explain ur reads a bit

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i'm not touching Gamma unless someone can convince me she really decided this would be the game as scum where she would immediately attack me and try to powerlim me within the first 48 hours of the game. dont think gamma is that player.

Don’t think gamma is wolf but dude it’s page 200 lmfao

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i'm not touching Gamma unless someone can convince me she really decided this would be the game as scum where she would immediately attack me and try to powerlim me within the first 48 hours of the game. dont think gamma is that player.

Don’t think gamma is wolf but dude it’s page 200 lmfao

don't see how that changes anything

it’s just ridiculously weak in magnitude lol, the state of the world and everyone’s gameplay in context of it is worth 80x more

this is the same goofy stuff that happen with enchant, enchant could flip V but it’s still goofy

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gamma can u explain ur reads a bit

Which ones?

idk anything is good

me/std maybe

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I have strange unexplainable urge to kill Sheep

this is also a good candidate his play today just feels like scum trying not to get noticed

do you think you can describe what about my play makes you think this? don’t really see how lol

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nah psyche is an innocent child

What is your read on the gamestate?

Shirou/norwe + something like dunn-std picked Villa Psyche as the hang before Elo but I’ve still been putting off picking out quotes

but enchant does need to be resolved

Do think this is consensus but wolves went from winning to losing recently
Though the only person who felt rejuvenated is shea who was already clear

Have been saying am p sure it’s just within std/enchant/dunn, but not as 100% confident as I’d like
Obv if we hit a v flip I’ll think v hard abt life

Tbone is fine
Ur fine
Cakez has some spew cred ig meh

like posts like this it feels like you don't even care who gets limmed here
why are you settling for Enchant?

basically lolcatting and needs to be resolved lol

ig ur kinda right that i don’t care tho, like just my strong preference it’s inside the three (if it wasn’t that would be pretty dumb), it otherwise feels more in money’s control than my own.. like maybe I prefer std over enchant but whatever the difference in confidence isn’t worth much coins at all

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Sheep, what is shaping your PoE rn?

the same way when Norwe flipped I was like "oh it's just shirou", I just feel like oh it's just std for myriad things lol

I'll never be comfortable with enchant not being resolved, I feel confident saying that because their play + what they've been saying has basically asserted that they wont do enough for that

dunn just makes so so much sense with shirou

everyone else is "ok" to villagery

theres not like one overarching thing that covers everyone

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trolling

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I mean like whether youre pretending to buy immunity or you actually bought immunity, both are trolling

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VOTE: std

meh

should obv take our time more now tho

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how u gonna find out who makes sense as a team when not reading much of the game

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what do u think abt std/cakez? if ur villa then those are definitely the two wooliest to me

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wolfiest* autocorrect

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I hate forum mafia

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cakez pg ~182-184 is really bad, all the "let's please just hang psyche rn instead of swapping in norwe first, even tho norwe is absolutely wolf and also my first choice vote is shirou"

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can u describe more what u think abt this stuff

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can u describe more what u think abt this stuff

more than...that giant paragraph he just posted?

it’s entirely just what happened yea?

still don’t understand the v read

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ehhhhhhh alright wtv

dont personally see that as not NAI, like literally "being helpful"

I had read "what I've found helpful from Cakez in the PT" as like "the alignment-indicative content thats helpful for me to read him"

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cakez iso is pretty bad and legit looks like he and std have been bussing

will discuss when I get home and finish

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basically with cakez, like, his reads are so static/confident that they basically read as tunnels, yet they're not at all memorable. And you feel like if they were truly genuine tunnels then they'd come to mind immediately. Like bro tunneled STD far harder than TSQ ever tunneled anyone, but I didn't even realize that had happened until I went back and ISO'ed.

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I'm trying to read back but it's a heavy read and I'm not too interested. If we don't get mafia again I'll try to be more involved

it's possible bro I did it eventually

and like very necessary/worth it lol

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at least read some Iso's bro

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cakez also does not mention people who aren't those strong reads, which feels very agenda-d

I was working on a huge post but it's a big struggle

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1. entire cakez about TSQ:

-tells pooky/tsq (v/v) to stop arguing
-2065 forgot tsq in original readlist, "oh he's alright, townish tier"
-4955 "tsq has been pissed off in a pretty townie way like all game lmao"

basically surprisingly very little

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2. cakez about haschel/sheep:

Spoiler:

Haschel Cedricson is a strong scum candidate as well

What the fuck am I coming back to?

With the caveat that I haven't read anything since my last post whoever did the challenge gets a few scumpoints from me. Going back now.

i feel scum is more likely to make this post than town

Conversely, I would like to ask Cakez about the impression he's gathered of T-Bone from the PT.

not much he seems amenable which is vaguely town (yes I know I SR Haschel WHATEVER)

okay leaving this game now
i have to be honest I'm extremely discouraged to even really engage or do anything with this game now because it seems like I will once again be dying day 1 and it's pretty hard to give a shit considering that

Legacy hero solve (into the mic)

StD, Pooky, Haschel, one of Furtive/Freedom sounds good rn

What the fuck am I coming back to?

With the caveat that I haven't read anything since my last post whoever did the challenge gets a few scumpoints from me. Going back now.

i feel scum is more likely to make this post than town

I have in my mental notes that I am leaning Haschel as scum but not for this post. Was it his opener? I gotta go back and get the receipt.

No this was like his third or fourth I think, but that wasn't really relevant to my read

-then likes that 1 post and has to explain it:

1542 was a good Haschel post

haschel scummish? townish?

Cakez what is good about Haschel post u tell me

it reminds me of his god tier solve post in Among Us

haschel scummish? townish? - early shitposts seemed scummy but he's been pretty good recently like the post I quoted that reminded me of Among Us

hi cakez
what did you like about the haschel post

I see his town thought process connecting the dots like it just feels like a town post and it reminds me of when he was town in among us and I very rarely remember specific performances from players

He could be snowing me for sure but I have like at least 5+ suspects before I'd think of that

-reverts:

a haschel wagon would be fire

i feel like haschel has to be scum here

yes very waffly on haschel but the PoE has gotten smaller with furtive and Titus both flipping town

nullscum - sheepsaysmeep

i think haschel/sheep is looking like a pretty good scumspect right now. could def be on team with norwegian/shirou
VOTE: sheep

looking at the remaining slots i feel like scum are inside (sheep, Dunn, StD)

i see some people saying sheep town but the Poe is getting small enough for me that i'm struggling to find scumspects elsewhere

I also want people to comment on Dunns post and my thoughts which can be summed up with the following syllogism points

1) That post is not fake. It is too detailed and too correctly aligned with what was happening in the actual thread.
2 There is no reason for Alisae and Shirou to have a PT that looks like that if they're scum-scum
3) Therefore dunn is town.

PEDIT: I don't you believe thats what that post says. It's just not what it says.

also +1 to this which is just leaving me at Sheep/StD

Everyone is saying I'm town. I've been right on two flips in a row, and no still no one is listening to me. Cakez what do you think about my argument that sheep is town?

PEDIT: Haven't read all of tbones wall but I was on shirou before you iirc.

if sheep is town who are the scum here?

I have strange unexplainable urge to kill Sheep

this is also a good candidate his play today just feels like scum trying not to get noticed

and I think Enchant is townier than Sheep or StD

out of like, 20+ meaningful references probably, maybe 2-3 are actual reasons for something + lots of poe mentions

just feels very definitely like viewing my slot as an achievable mislim to do at some point, constant shade / trying to lock below null

also think overall, starting to be like "sheep is poe" as endgame came, fits into a pattern of sussily trying to get rid of LHF, like with cakez using "furtive/Titus is w/v" which was pretty bad and then whatever cakez was saying about psyche which I definitely remember being pretty bad

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not even gonna go through all the STD quotes which is the worst one

because literally every other post is like a tunnely post at STD

yet I just don't feel like he truly tries to convince people that STD is a wolf

even today, the mildness of std v cakez where one of them will definitely die, and they both wolfread each other, is sorta offputting. more like a bus where whether STD or cakez dies, both are relatively equal EV outcomes for them so they don't care an absolute ton

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4. entire cakez about norwe

Spoiler:

i oddly have no read on Norwegian

norwe idk

norwe idk - literally have like no vibe from his posts which is weird because I usually do

(next one isn't really cakez about norwe, but there was a big big big gap without mention)

what if the scum team was some bullshit like STD + Enchant + Sir Cakes + NorwegianBoy

LOL in what world are StD and I scum together
and Enchant is not scum

town - norwegianboyEE

suddenly?? no natural progression:

Also I agree Norwe looks pretty scummy at this point regardless of where these two wagons flip

The scum team in this situation in my T/S theory would be Pooky/std/Shirou/some rando like Norwe

Why isn't Norwe/Psyche an option here?

ooh i would be good with Norwe getting swapped in and limmed

pushing harddddd for a psyche lim this whole time though, which has been mentioned

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

i still want to kill norwe too

norwegian is a scumfuck no doubt but why can't we just insta-challenge and kill him tomorrow Pooky?

blah blah says he would vote norwe and then votes him when the challenge happens

not much to say, it's just kinda bad lol

inexplicably 180's on norwe when times get tough for norwe, never says something meaningful about norwe at any point

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5. cakez

6. t-bone
-953 "needs more"
-961 "vaguely town from PT"
-1013 T-bone makes towny post
-agrees with T-bone about some stuff
-lists as town in a readlist

7. pooky
-pooky scummy post
-votes pooky
-calls pooky wolf
-1322 calls himself and pooky not same alignment??
-lists pooky scum in readlist
-"shirou/pooky is v/w and shirou is the v; pooky pushing shirou just feels like a power wolf powering an active townie"
-his treatment of shirou v pooky is reallyyyyy really really bad. is basically on shirou's side, while trying not to be, until it becomes unworkable. could pull quotes for th is specifically.
-has started to wolfread shirou, and pooky wolfread was based on shirou v, but in readlist still puts pooky w shirou null (4185)
-is now pairing pooky/shirou as a wolfteam
-"pooky >50% wolf"

yeah I feel like what I've been looking for is him to ask someone what they think about his wolfreads / try to convince them, which never happens

and I think in all these reads, there's just a really unnatural staticism unless they have to change (I know I called tsq villager a lot earlier for being static but it's different)
I think next up in my list is gamma, who is like always confident villager for the fact that she challenged him 200 pages ago
and then enchant likewise permanently locked villa

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sheep pretty sure we haven't played together before right?

yeah I think that's true

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it is kinda ridiculous to play d5 of a 200 page game with wolf flips where multiple people dont have interest in using those first few days

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I have some intent to switch to cakez btw which would be e-1

but would kill std too lol

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oh interesting I actually kinda wanted it but it's not worth 100

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VOTE: cakez

that should be -1 from a hammer but this thing is dead anyway

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I did finish both iso's

cakez is just a lot more wolfy than std lol
nothing deeper than that

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cakez 85%+, std idfk 50/50

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can u summarize any of ur other reads so far

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I hate it here

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inclination is dunn

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eh?

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wouldve liked to win the force challenge to force dunn/std lol, that wouldve been preferable to only having 1 option to vote

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oh I gave up on it when someone put 100

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actually wait yeah im gonna go bid thanks guys

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maybe wolves will kill me if they know I won it hahahhahha pls

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ur like 10 years late to concluding psyche is an innocent child

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nah gamma is p right about pt stuff i think, its just not something thats incredibly unlikely to come from scum lol
She linked an example earlier
theyre just fairly frequent imo

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If anything I think std/norwe pt things he described are more likely to be not w/w; I don’t think they are but it did give me pause

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yeah ur right sorry I wasn't paying attention or reading

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std iso is so villagery tho dude goddamnit

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I just think it's fairly reasonable lol

they even seem like they'd have fun doing it and it would improve their in-thread wolfing to role-play it that far lol, just a guess

no one has to replace out.. they just have to get asked about it, which would totally happen
even we are getting asked about our PT despite never referencing it as meaningful
and then gets confirmed as not w/w by your logic

for example
-shirou flips wolf
-alisae please justify how you were so pocketed
-you know what here's everything so u guys can decide for yourselves
-wow what a real conversation that would never be between 2 wolves

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I just think it's fairly reasonable lol

they even seem like they'd have fun doing it and it would improve their in-thread wolfing to role-play it that far lol, just a guess

no one has to replace out.. they just have to get asked about it, which would totally happen
even we are getting asked about our PT despite never referencing it as meaningful
and then gets confirmed as not w/w by your logic

for example
-shirou flips wolf
-alisae please justify how you were so pocketed
-you know what here's everything so u guys can decide for yourselves
-wow what a real conversation that would never be between 2 wolves

What percentage of s-s pts look like this do you think?

idk I play more on MU where it would be 90% but I know that's a bit weird and try-hard

but the circumstances where going through and summarizing or paraphrasing everything seems near-standard are present here too

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I suppose im conflating this a bit with games where PT are within the same alignment, like a hydra

doing it just to prove non w/w would be less likely yeah

just not like unimaginable at all to me

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guys wtf

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yeah tsq isnt an option

and tsq I think u need to specify a team to swap out lol

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ok also I admit the scum chats are less wildly abundant than I imagined; I went thru a lot of trouble to locate actual servers to copy paste here and literally none of them go public

I still have things I can quote of like scum very clearly were discussing things while hard-pretending to be villagers, but I dont think it'll satisfy u as much + so much effort

but it's very obviously standard for like, scum to put effort into faking a chat. I guess maybe my stance sorta differs from gamma in a way that I didn't realize? like, if two wolves like that got put together, I see them putting effort into having conversations while genuinely pretending theyre villagers, which is the crux of the matter. and from there those two are not bad at theater so the content hasn't mattered a ton to me. it just doesn't rule them out at all, and it's a matter of whether or not it rules them out, and then I base it on my read on alisae's content. u two seem to be more focused on like, degrees and levels of things but to me it's just they did what their genuinely pretending to be villagers would look like, and thats like, expectable even

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Phase 1 (very start of d3)

Spoiler:

hyperpost challenges board

am i crazy if i still want to do psyche

i'm much less confident now but i believe titus could have been the deflection

VOTE: psyche
Can we vote out psyche now?

VOTE: psyche

blegh

maybe i'm really bad at this game

Std Cakez Haschel + 1 more that’s likely psyche

i think this game is funnier if psyche is town tbh but i know it looks bad to say it

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.01

Pysche (4): Alisae, Shirou, PookytheMagicalBear, Save The Dragons,
Alisae (0) :
Shirou (1) : T-Bone,

Not Voting (7): Psyche , Haschel Cedricson, Thestatusquo, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, NorwegianboyEE , Enchant,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

ah 50 short
I thought I get my coinage now.

I wanted to swap us out for enchant and force a psyche elim that way

I think psyche is the best flip in the game because I can’t read it and if it’s flip tells me if I need to look for 3 wolves or 4. I literally always want to flip it.

I think Psyche's reads are something I would expect from a wolf but I'm still left with this feeling of wanting more. Really I just think if I identified all of the other villagers I have to be right on here otherwise like p[sdufhjgpl;shAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anyway can we ACTUALLY kill Psyche how you people are Townreading this player is actually just fucking beyond me

I’m not townreading Psyche due to there being barely any content on them. I guess i still live in the vain hope that they will produce some content eventually, but yeah. See no reason not to vote them currently other than to see if they hopefully just do anything at all if given a bit more time.

Just vote them

Psyche was given time
Now I just want them dead

Phase 2 ("alisae realizes it's almost endgame")

Spoiler:

I genuinely do believe I should probably never reach end game unless I somehow come across the right answers but like that doesn't mean I'm going to make it easy for anyone

hm?

if psyche is town isn't tomorrow basically endgame?

...

I think my play has probably singlehandedly costed village the game then...

pedit: No Shirou I haven't realized that

sorry...

calm down psyceh has decent odds of being wolf i think

maybe...?

prob?

???????????

I wanna feel resigned and just be like "kill me" but that's not really helpful either (and also I'm a villager) i think the only thing I can do is just try to make it right and keep going...

if psyche flips town i think tomorrow people just jump at alisae or me and i do think that is de facto endgame

i wonder if it's too late to try avoiding responsibility for this game

Best thing we can do is take responsibility for our actions and try to make it right. Offering ourselves up on a platter doesn't really do much and also loses us the game since we're both villagers.
Idunno so like that's why I wanna keep pressing forward? I made my decision, I have to continue. I can't go back. And if the worst case happens, it is what it is. I just wanna be able to say that I did my best.

i'm not confident enough on psyche to just deathtunnel like that but i do think it's already figuratively like that and either me or ali dies tomorrow if psyche flips town though

so is staking even necessary

any1 feeling confident enough about a scumread to stake their life on the line

I think I have put myself in a position where I have to feel confident about psyche to the point of staking my LIFE on it. In hindsight it's a stupid challenge, and I would probably feel happier if I got my hand on 50 coinage and maybe swap cakez in.

challenging cakez is really what I probably should have just done but I feel the need to go after psyche first as sort of an answer check

I have no fucking idea how Psyche is a villager and I have no idea how there are people defending it. It's actually just crazy to me.

note it's literally impossible to tell whether a) alisae thinks it's impossible for psyche to be town here, by poe or b) unsure about psyche but needs psyche flip to affirm sanity, because they say both at the same time
the transition to "ahhh I goofed and shouldn't have challenged psyche" to "let's just do psyche anyway!" is so glaringly forced/inconsistent - the dual effort from both alisae and shirou.. they reach the exact same conclusion In terms of agenda despite not truly really discussing it with each other

like 1 total post discussing this according to Dunn PT summary:

[start of day 3]
357 - Shirou: Is wavering on Psyche being mafia but will pretend to be confident if Alisae wants
358 - Alisae: Thinking about saving up money to send out a lot of messages
359 - Alisae: And disguising the messages as unwanted e-mails
360 - Shirou: Wants to save money for team swaps later
361 - Shirou: Thinks that would be funny if the town was in a good position
362 - Alisae: Responds to 347 saying that Psyche went after Alisae but was not satisfactory, and that Alisae is playing for money

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what are ur thoughts on dunn

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bro im so confused by ur perspective on the PT

I think I fully agree with gamma about it

outside of that I agree gamma's been ridiculously wolfy for a couple pages lol

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like we all agree at least dunn didn't do any faking of the conversation; it exists and it had that much detail and all dunn did was an easy job of summarizing

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and then from there the content is in no way un-fakeable for them, and the motivation for doing it is fairly straightforward, like clearly it was very effective in convincing u they can't be w/w

so it's not really rule-out material

and I agree with gamma that it's just a matter of whether or not it rules them out, which I know u didnt like

like even if it's unlikely, like substantially less than 50% chance, in-thread wolfiness easily outweighs that by miles in significance

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and they never would have needed to anticipate a sub-out to employ it for cred

once shirou flips then alisae goes ur probably gonna suspect me for buddying with shirou, so here's how it happened *posts what dunn did*

and it still proves that a conversation to that level of detail really did happen

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I did 2 quick iso's of std and gamma

std I feel like is really villagery in a vacuum, like all the progressions are really follow-able and make lots of sense
but like looking at his reads in context, he's done a lot to get LHF town limmed + I think his current wolf-guess-pool is also entirely town, while he stated some suspicion on both Norwe/Shirou but never actually applied meaningful pressure to them
-very pivotal in Titus hang, furtive hang, pushing psyche
-has posts casting doubt on Norwe/shirou but there's like a stark contrast in the amount of impact that has with his wolfreads on flipped villagers
-currently pushing gimli/t-bone, my most confident villagers outside of TSQ, and then me

I am halfway through gamma iso but I feel like she is just a villager
there's a lot of constant pressuring Shirou and I think Shirou is genuinely pressed by it and frustrated/feeling a need to convince Gamma of things.
could find quotes for that
+ I remember always noting like it feels like Gamma's worldview has been rly good / rly similar to mine and Shea's, and I remember thinking it's potentially suspicious to have such accurate reads while them not being notable/memorable, like TMI-ing for post-flip-cred, but I don't think that's valid anymore, I think gamma voiced those reads enough and was just being pro-town throughout the game

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I think its 95-5 not "less than 50%"

If I were to go into 100 PTs on this site that are s-s I think I would find one that was that active almost never.

Even the ONE example that has been brought up here was later revealed to be not actually that detail filled at all.

I would assert more like 20-30% off the top of my head, and then I feel like in context of the gamestate dunn is just reallyyyyyy straightforwardly likely wolf, to a

comparable

degree to 95-5, in terms of poe-wise everyone else has something strong going for them + wolf-siding severely

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sorry gamma I genuinely keep thinking I understand ur pov lmao idk

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lmao wtf u might as well buy one from the shop

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Speaking of the auction, who bet 749 and why?

That was me
Which is why I thought Shea might have been trying to pull a fast one against me.

can u answer the why?
I feel like theres much more scum motivation to bid basically 750/750

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actually I dont know what to feel because who tf cares that much about a force challenge lmfao

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which I think renders ur shea point null too if I understand it correctly

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gamma im interested in forcing std v dunn if u wouldn't override it with ur own force challenge

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std it feels like if you're correct then town is really screwed and completely bound to lose right?
like literally every single other person (or almost every, I think) is at a consensus that t-bone + Gimli are confident town. and there's no expectation for them to get resolved by nightkill, so theyre likely both about to easily endgame here.

can u like, reconcile that. with words
idrk what my question is
I just dont think ur play in the past day phase matches someone who thinks town is on the literal worst track possible

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im thinking more like you should be making greater efforts to convince people because you think we're very about to lose the game

rather than just making clear that you suspect those people

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or I just think ur perspective is kinda irreconcilable

like you're poe'ing consensus villagers and just like eh I'll go with that

I'd expect more vibes of like ????? at everything and questioning reality

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in terms of like, shea was talking about wolves having to broaden the poe earlier, I very easily see an STD agenda of like
let elims happen of sheep and then maybe dunn or something if he's a villager, while having not been a part of those pushes at all, and then he is set up to go for one of gimili/tbone (which he'd need) cuz that's been his push for a long time

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ah what it cant rip wtf

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forum mafia is ridiculous how are u supposed to find them

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im reverting to like that Town of Salem game

and among us

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and we cant swap ourselves out right

bruh

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nah it's not ending my brethen, I've basically concluded someone is in deep

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swap my team out for std if that's legal

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Gimli like u do put in effort, I feel like u might as well have read a decent chunk of the thread, it woulda been worth it

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VOTE: std

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fire will there be another mini-game

that could be fun

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hey team let's just get together and do some hammers

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swap gamma for std

Vote: std

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this is awkward now

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I think it’s why enchant’s start-of-game strat didn’t work

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How’s your week been

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he'll just lock it for like 5 minutes

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Firebringer just nerfed this and said "You can't swap your own team" which is said nowhere.

found

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I sending Swap to T-Bone. He can use it as he wish.


So anyway. If you are suck and will stuck in elo with two mafia alive and have idea WHO is it, then swap team with mafia out of challenge and then swap back. It will confirm you as town after mafia flips, because mafia can't create Town-Town challenges.

It's literally only use i could find for whole time and it's so impractical, i am telling just now.

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??????

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not funny

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oh god that's Elo lmfao

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10% would not expect dunn to be kill target, 90% wtf is this game bruh

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Since gamma and tsq are rarely scum together I think the best chance we have today is flipping sheep first then figuring out the partner in gamma/tsq/tbone

filpping sheep means the game is over so let's hold our horses as I actually have to do stuff

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I think std might've been right lmao im sorry bro

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yeah probably true but I think im still supposed to try and stuff
I'll try to do it soon lol

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ya I agree gamma is villager as fuck


a;lsjdfalsdflaslkdfalksdfljals;

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obviously have to re-read but currently I think STD was correct and it's something like Tbone/psyche lol

good night

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I think he's still lock clear to me, we don't touch the PT lmfao

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I was technically still here, in case that factors into calculations of bob and John could've hammered if they were w/w etc idk I forgot how those work

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gg

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yah this was fun thank you fire

the only part I'll selectively remember is that I technically got there at the very end

lol