Open 535: Enemy of My Enemy

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: Daniel Bryan

You will never be the face of the WWE. It will always be Randy Orton.

[beastcharizard]

I would be more willing to vote Banakai than BwB. I have to agree that Banakai's post is not good at all. I am also interested in seeing how they explain it away.

[beastcharizard]

Because I want to see Banakai's explanation.

[beastcharizard]

Banakai and Rational are both on my scum radar.

[beastcharizard]

If you think TSO is coaching then it is safe to assume he is town. I have never seen him "coach" as scum before.

@person who asked me question:
I said they are on my scum radar. That just means I think they might have scum but I would like to see more from them. RM is just posting the same thing over and over again.

[beastcharizard]

Banakai is a competent player. I faced them in a Donner party and they had quite a bit of posts throughout the game. They were expected to be scum at least half of the game.
They didn't really explain anything about why they were "confused" or anything.

VOTE: Banakai

[beastcharizard]

The fact that they were suspected but not lynched should mean they are competent. Also, that last part was about this game not the other game.

[beastcharizard]

Why are you using ATE?

[beastcharizard]

It doesn't matter how true it is. You are still using it to try to get out of a lynch.

@Cirno:
Who joins a game just to complain that there aren't any town PRs? What sense does that make at all?

[beastcharizard]

RM? I have no idea. I still think they might be scum by the way they are playing regardless of if they care or not. Why join a game if you aren't going to take it seriously?

[beastcharizard]

After I sign up I constantly look at the thread to see how close it is to starting. I just think it is weird that someone would sign up and never look back to see what kind of game they are going to be playing. It was 10 days between when they said /in and when the game filled. That is some amazing patience.

[beastcharizard]

I think it is fair to say that Banakai and Burke are not on the same team. They are both some sort of scum though. I have my ideas of who the scum teams are but it is to early in the game for me to be right.

I am sad I am on noone's reads list. I like seeing my name in posts even if it is bad. I feel like I have done enough to deserve a read.

@RM:
Thanks for the scum claim. I will make sure to vote you after taking out your partner.

[beastcharizard]

Can we vote Banakai?

My theory of teams.

BwBurke and Banakai
TvK and RationalMadman

TvK just indirectly protected RM. BwBurke and Banakai just seem to be a good team.

[beastcharizard]

How was it ugly? We both agree think that Banakai and TvK are not town.

If I am scum what do you make of me putting them on opposing teams? WW want to scum hunt for Mafia and vice versa. If I thought they were both scum and I were scum I should be putting them on the same team and trying hard to get them lynched. Do you think I just threw one or two random mislynches into my reads of teams?

[beastcharizard]

I misread your post think you said that if TvK was scum then Banakai was scum with them.

We have like 4 days until deadline and you are wanting me to hop on one of the bigger wagons? RM can be lynched any day and I have a much stronger scum read on Bana. He used ATE to try and get out of a lynch and then explained the ATE. He came in with a ridiculous first post and didn't even have that good of an explanation. He hasn't been putting himself out there at all. Look at his last post. All he says is that RM claimed scum.

Before I get in trouble. i need to clarify some things. In 146 I said that bana and Burke aren't on the same team. Then later in 207 I said they are probably on the same team. I switched my opinion on this because of they way that TvK was defending RM. I am now think that Burke was bussing Bana.

[beastcharizard]

When half the people already think your partner is scum and you can get town points why not? Assuming you are bussing the goon of course.

[beastcharizard]

How many scum reads do you have? I think you have said just about every person in this game is scum.

You have: Me, RM, TvK, TSO, Bubba, T9, Jordan Downey. That is a lot of people to have a scum read on and I am probably missing some people.

[beastcharizard]

Want to point out we only have a little over a day left.

[beastcharizard]

I thought I was on Bw. I didn't know if the mod actually put the deadline in the vote counts or not now so I keep looking at the first page and wanted to ensure that we didn't no lynch due/do? to the fact that everyone didn't know when the deadline was or just forgot about it.

Also, all my scum reads are voting my other scum reads but none are on the person whom I think is their partner.

UNVOTE:

I am not going to place my vote because 1 I would hammer and the other someone has claimed intent to hammer and I don't know when that will happen so better safe than sorry.

[beastcharizard]

RBD, have you said why I am scum? Also, I am pretty sure you ignored my whole post about how you are accusing basically everyone in the game of being scum. You don't know how to make up your own mind and keep your option majorly open.

[beastcharizard]

TvK, Team 9, Jordan, RM, BC, Bw, TSO

That is all the people you have called scum. You have called only 3 other people town from what I found. So yes calling over half the player list scum is scummy to me. If Bw does happen to flip town you are taking his place on my scum list and you are fighting for the spot with each post you do.

I am convinced you are trying to do anything you can for town credit. You also already lined up your mislynches for tomorrow with one of your earlier posts where you take the two biggest wagons and decide who should be lynched based on flips. I guess we can continue our fun tomorrow.

[beastcharizard]

Yes they can give it to their partner. And announcing your result is a null tell.

It would be great if I was RM's result too.

[beastcharizard]

Of course your partner is going to give you the result.

VOTE: RationalMadman

I think one of you or Team9 is scum and well, you are the better choice. Your play yesterday was horrible. You claimed WW which makes sense with you getting the WW result. Worst case scenario you are town and out of the way so you can no longer be a distraction.

[beastcharizard]

Of course your partner is going to give you the result.

VOTE: RationalMadman

I think one of you or Team9 is scum and well, you are the better choice. Your play yesterday was horrible. You claimed WW which makes sense with you getting the WW result. Worst case scenario you are town and out of the way so you can no longer be a distraction.

Yay my name popped out of literally nowhere!

You claimed a result so it isn't out of nowhere. You and RM both said you got results and I find it odd that either team would just give out info on anyone unless the expected their result to show up as their respective guilty. The way that RM claimed their result was sketchy to me and I could see scum claiming result to look pro town. This makes me suspicious of both you and RM. I think RM is more likely to be scum though because of their play and their claiming of result.

At worst an RM lynch is the best PL ever.

[beastcharizard]

The only reason i have that Team9 could be scum is the fact that they got a result. While that is a null tell it is still in the back of my mind that they are scum claiming their result to look town. Since I have no further reason to think they are scum I am not voting them.

[beastcharizard]

If you truely hate us all and want village to lose why don't you just vote yourself off?

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE:

I don't like the new replacement coming in at L-1.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: greygnarl

Putting it back because I do not like how they entered the game. It seems they wanted to be scum. I have only seen one person do something like that and guess what...they were on my scum team.

Opinion on EH:
I didn't know who they were when I was asked about them. When i saw them post I was like oh yeah. They are not as impressionable as DB though. I didn't even know there was someone with the initials DB in the game until i looked it up. EH's posts seem to be pretty town. The only thing I didn't like was the question about when kills resolve.

[beastcharizard]

What do you call my vote on the RM/Gray slot? Is that not taking a stand? Also, i answered your first question. What are your reads on these people? You might be more active than me but that doesn't mean you can just coast on by asking everyone questions. You forgot half the players list, I forgot two people. There is a difference between those two. Maybe you remember DB because he is your scum partner. Those are hard to forget about.

So in regards to my bubba read it will happen if/when i feel like it.

[beastcharizard]

Bubba is scum.

That post alone gives me scum vibes. You are trying to stir up drama between us. You don't accuse either of us of being scum in your post you just say: "oh look what he did". He clearly knows what I did.

I misunderstood that last sentence, that happens. The fact you talk to Jordan and me in the same paragraph is really weird, unless you were saying that Jordan turned my questioning on him back around at me which I did not see happen. I think you are grasping at straws for a mislynch here.

So at this point, sure I will vote bubba.

[beastcharizard]

Prod dodge until tomorrow when I have a computer.

[beastcharizard]

JD is town.
RBD is town.

I do NOT like BC's attack on bubba.

why not?

[beastcharizard]

Grey really should be lynched. I think their last post was: "I will catch up". They never did.

[beastcharizard]

I got the result that Aegor is the werewolf.

VOTE: Aegor

[beastcharizard]

@bubbajack

: Impossible. If I am indeed his partner, then RM lied when he said he got a result on my predecessor Banakai. Obviously the WW team would not investigate itself to determine whether they were Mafia.

That's all I needed from you. Somewhere were he lied. Thank you.

UNVOTE:

If you are not a werewolf, then BC has to be scum as there is no town reason to fake a guilty. BC could also be mafia with a guilty on you, so your flip will either incriminate him or be null for his alignment. Also, it is impossible that RM was telling the truth about him receiving the result for the investigation anyway, as he was the seer. It is likely that his partner received an investigation on someone or that no investigation occurred, considering the lack of counterclaim. In either case, I don't see a way for you to talk your way out of the lynch today. Sorry you replaced into such a shitty spot.

Unless RM recieved from a mafia seer.

Then who did Team9 get a result on me of Not Werewolf from?

[beastcharizard]

If we hadn't already lynched the WW seer I would think you were for sure Aeg's partner. Now I just think you are scum trying to pretend to be overly cautious town.

[beastcharizard]

lynching some sort of scum today is our best bet at winning. We take our Aegor, the last WW, that will leave us at 2v4 with the mafia. They kill tonight and tomorrow is mylo or lylo at 2v3. If we take out mafia it would be 1v1v4 with 2 kills assuming they don't try to kill the same person. Mafia would know who the WW is so they could just kill them leaving it a 2v1 situation for mafia which puts at at lylo. We could get lucky and they kill each other but that is unlikely. The fact that I KNOW that Aegor is WW makes me believe the best course of action is the lynch him only allowing for 1 kill tonight and allowing for better discussion tomorrow to hopefully find one of the remaining scum then they kill and we hopefully find the other one. So lynching Aegor is the best course of action at this time.

[beastcharizard]

The only other person I am willing to vote is bubba. I would prefer not to do that though since we have a CONFIRMED scum we could lynch. If we don't lynch him we have 2 kills tonight to worry about rather than the one kill we would have to worry about if we lynched the WW.

Aegor says he will try to play to his win con, and guess what that means? To kill the village. There is no way keeping him alive is beneficial. Notice how all of his scenarios say nothing about him winning. He is trying to make it look like keeping him alive gives town the better chance at winning when the reverse is actually true.

[beastcharizard]

Welcome.

I already thought you were the other mafia member with bubba so you basically just reaffirmed my beliefs. You are the goon and bubba is the seer.

How come you all assume village wins in dilemma situation? I see that as a mafia win rather than a town or WW win. WW coming to the village side is not going to happen and while yes he wants to kill everyone now killing village is more beneficial than killing scum if we lynch scum at this point. The key word for the scenario of killing mafia is IF.

[beastcharizard]

It isn't like I said I was a little suspicious of Mind's slot way back when they got the result on me or anything. Oh wait I did.

I would prefer the Aegor lynch because I trust town more than I trust WW. I also think I know the scum so there is my possible false sense of security in the LYLO situation.

If we are going for crazy ideas why don't we just lynch me? People seem to think I am scum, even though I am not, and when i die you all just follow my wonderful reads. Aegor kills Bubba or Mindgamer and mafia kills Aegor thus leaving the village in a wonderful situation to win by lynching the other mafia i mentioned that isn't dead.

[beastcharizard]

If we don't lynch WW I am only willing to lynch bubba. Yes I suspect you but bubba play today has just struck ever nerve I have about him being scum.

[beastcharizard]

Really? How is your vote on my not scummy? You are mad I found your team. I am sticking to my guns and lynching anyone but the WW helps mafia way more than lynching WW. Mafia has to play near perfectly to get the win. I am more than capable of making a case against you tomorrow but I want the WW lynch today no matter what.

You are mafia and I am 100% certain of it.

[beastcharizard]

Having 1 kill tonight is better than having two kills. The fate of the village is in the villages hands if we lynch the WW and in the WW/Mafia's hands if we don't. Who do you trust more? The scum or the village? Personally I am for the village controlling our own fates rather than someone who isn't even trying for a village win.

I thought Team 9 was possible mafia because they got the result on me. I said that after they claimed their result. I said them saying their result made me suspicious of them and that claiming their result was null at best. That is the slot that Mind replaced in to.

If you were town I wouldn't have to pretend you were town. I take that as a scum slip but for the sake of the arguement I will pretend you are town. Pretend you think I am town, then who do you think the remaining scum is?

[beastcharizard]

And they have less than a 50% chance of hitting scum if we keep them alive. They ALSO need to kill TOWN to win. If we happen to lynch mafia then they don't have to shoot for mafia at that point because then they automatically lose so they would shoot for town.

[beastcharizard]

Or mafia can shoot town since they know who the WW is.

Lets just agree to disagree. This is obviously going nowhere and we are both stubborn as hell it seems.

[beastcharizard]

Saying a player is competent doesn't by any means say I think they are town.

I feel the logic to keep Aegor alive is faulty but it seems I only have one supporter so lets go with lynching mafia I guess.

VOTE: Mindgamer

Making up stuff to call people scum with.

[beastcharizard]

There is a difference between making stuff up and using actual evidence. You aren't using evidence you are just acting like a magician pulling stuff out of a hat.

[beastcharizard]

So what is the plan going into tomorrow if we lynch scum today? Also, please no one hammer until the replacement is found. A fresh mind may be just what we need to figure things out.

[beastcharizard]

My preferred actions in order of most wanted to least: Lynch Aegor, Lynch Mindgamer, Lynch bubbajack, Lynch Me.

I say Me because a bunch of people think I am town and if we do go into LYLO I will probably be the mislynch that loses us the game so getting me out of the way now would be beneficial.

[beastcharizard]

yes I meant scum.

[beastcharizard]

I agree so please vote yourself/Aegor/Mindgamer.

[beastcharizard]

aegor is not mafia, but is still scum. At least that is how i interpret it.

how can they be scum when you and mindgamer are scum? It is just POE. That is how much I think you are scum.

[beastcharizard]

Since Team 9 got the result yesterday I have thought there was a chance that their slot was scum. Claiming a result is null at best and I found it highly suspicious that scum would just hand out their investigation to someone n1 when their goon is alive. That being said I should be thought of as scum as well for the same reasons that I think they are scum.

I am fine with my lynch because it benefits town tomorrow. Other arguments say that a town lynch will force Aegor to shoot for scum in theory.

I

[beastcharizard]

Because I am a pretty common scum lead meaning I would be an easy mislynch for tomorrow if it is LYLO.

[beastcharizard]

If we are dead set on lynching someone that isn't Aegor then my lynch serves the purpose of also advancing the game to night. Besides that there is no purpose today. The purpose for tomorrow would only be in effect if scum shot Aegor and Aegor shot scum. Of course there is no guarantee that will happen so the usefulness of my lynch is probably minimal. It is still something to be thought upon though.

[beastcharizard]

Our conversations lead no where. So I think we should ignore each other. We make senseless noise that scum can hide behind. If you aren't scum then you don't want them hiding.

I am more suspicious of Mindgamer anyway because they got the result.

[beastcharizard]

I don't see the reason for scum to just hand out their result N1. Call it WIFOM or gut or whatever you want but that is my main reason for thinking they are scum.

[beastcharizard]

Because their partner can use it for multiple things. One, the partner can look more town for outing the result. If the result is a guilty they look even more town.

At least that is the hopes of it.

[beastcharizard]

It is at best null.

[beastcharizard]

Because the scum kept saying it was a good idea knowing that they had the best chance of winning with Aegor alive.

[beastcharizard]

That is a matter of opinion.

Also, is it just me or are we the only ones really talking?

[beastcharizard]

I wouldn't say I am against it there are just at least 3 lynches I would much prefer. I would rather any lynch than a no lynch, but of course i would prefer Aegor the most though.

[beastcharizard]

If you want that lynch why aren't you voting it?

[beastcharizard]

I have my 3 scum reads and I am stubborn so everyone is town by POE. I will look at both EH and DP though.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: bubbajack8

Flash lynch go.

[beastcharizard]

Deadline hit already. Maybe this will turn out for the best. I think they scum decided to lurk it out.

[beastcharizard]

If I were mafia what would be the logic of me killing Mindgamer? I would want him alive so I could continue to push for his lynch.

[beastcharizard]

What would be the effects of No Lynching again? Would that force someone's hand? I mean WW would still need to shoot for scum and mafia would probably shoot town to lower our numbers but it could lead us to 2v1v1. The only problem here is the two scum calling a truce and calling their kill thus drawing. I don't see this happening though because of prisoners dilemma.

[beastcharizard]

Aegor, i understand you are not town and everything but voting is still not the best thing to do at this point. We either need to hit scum or you lose. While I agree bubba is probably scum in the chance that they aren't you are setting up the perfect mislynch for the scum. If you could kindly unvote that would be fantastic.

[beastcharizard]

Who said anything about lynching the Werewolf?

[beastcharizard]

EH made a good point about bubba lying. Wasn't all of yesterday he talking about the numbers we would have today? That means he probably expected less people in the game and their vote would have meant scum could have hammered if he was scum. That is a terrible mistake to make.

[beastcharizard]

My posts were scummy? What do you call what you just did? You are in no way acting like town. It seems like your emotions are getting the best of you.

Also, how did you count 9 people when yesterday we had 7? Counting 7 people I could kind of understand but 9 people is a little out there. Also, in this situation should you not always double check what you are saying before posting it?

Finally, how is your vote helpful in anyway at this point?

[beastcharizard]

That is a rather large mistake to make. And you would double check to make sure that this isn't MYLO and that your vote couldn't be the thing to make the village lose.

The fact that you voted first not thinking about anything like that also makes me think you are scum. Someone said that we should reassess our reads at this point. Have you done so? The only confirmed scum is Aegor.

Intent to vote bubbajack8. If there are any objections let me know and give me reasons.

[beastcharizard]

I am glad to hear you won't lynch the one person who shouldn't be lynched. That being said I feel like your post is scummy. One we already established we aren't lynching Aegor no matter what so what was the point of mentioning them as a lynch target at all? Secondly, why not eh? I can't think of a time when you said they were town. You actually just said you didn't see them as scum a total of 1 times. With logic being them disbelieving the WW claim.

[beastcharizard]

Would DP blatantly buddy like that though? I mean that would just kill their chances. I think it is Doctor Pepper for sure after that last statement but I am a little skeptical of the buddying the DP did on eh. eh does seem to have disappeared though which makes me paranoid. I don't want scum lurking out a win because me and you are just going at it with each other.

I will retract my intent to vote for now. We have 7 days no need to rush anything and make rash decisions.

[beastcharizard]

I didn't know I was due for a prod.

Aegor, who do you think is scum?

I really think it is DP at this point and their partner is probably eh because of the strong buddying. I will reevaluate everything tomorrow assuming I live through the night to do so.

[beastcharizard]

Throw a vote on EH then.

And if EH isn't scum? Then what? We lose because you are incouraging the WW to vote? Maybe you don't have to worry about it because you are already scum?

Everyone knows mine and bubba's opinions of each other by now.

[beastcharizard]

Something just feels off about this.

[beastcharizard]

You must believe with your heart and soul that I am scum. I know this is late, but I don't think Aegor should vote. I think they lynch should be town decided without the input of the WW. At that instance if we do lynch town we might have a better chance of determining who the scum actually are. The WW voting doesn't help us at all.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: Doctor Pepper

I do feel better about this lynch.

Also, i said my idea was late and at this point probably isn't a viable strategy. The thing that doesn't feel right is it feels like scum are trying to lurk out a win.

[beastcharizard]

Now pwople participate and get of DP. It's so fucking obvious he's not scum.

It is? How?

[beastcharizard]

I must have missed it. Can you point me to the POSTS where you did?

[beastcharizard]

Are you still confident in those reads? If yes then why are you not voting me?

Also, at one point you entertained the idea that DB/DP could be scum but now that it doesn't look like that lynch is going to go through you are backing down from it. You are fence sitting. You are not trying to make a strong point that they are town.

[beastcharizard]

You are. But I don't want you lynched because you are the most vocal person in the thread.

If we aren't going to decide on a lynch together can we no lynch? I know it is a risk but we don't auto lose if we no lynch.

[beastcharizard]

You still can't count. It is 3-2-1. We have 6 people alive at this time.

WW, Mafia kill town.

1-2-1 mafia wins

WW kill mafia, mafia kills town

2-1-1

No lynch is forced hoping for crosskill

Mafia kill ww, ww kills mafia

3-1 MYLO so we would probably no lynch at this point to narrow down the suspect pool.

Mafkia kill town/ww nk (or vice versa)

2-2-1 MYLO but we would have to lynch to have any shot at winning.

Mafia kills WW, ww nk

3-2 LYLO

WW kills mafia, mafia nk

3-1-1 go for a scum lynch to have WW cornered. Could No lynch and hope for crossfire though.

We already put all hope of winning on the shoulders of the WW by not lynching them when I got the guilty so we have to hope they hit scum. At that point it is most likely prisoner's dilemma because they one that doesn't shoot the other one loses no matter what. So it is a mind game. If WW shoots town then town loses no matter what. If we lynch wrong here, we pretty much lose no matter what as well. We would need the WW to shoot mafia in every scenario to even stand a chance so if we can't agree on a lynch then I see no problem with a no lynch.

Lynch town today:

2-2-1

WW, mafia kill town(not same person)

2-1 mafia wins

WW, mafia kill same town or someone NKs

2-1-1 mafia wins

Mafia kills ww, ww kills mafia

2-1 LYLO

mafia kills WW, WW nks

2-2 mafia wins

WW kills mafia, mafia nks

2-1-1 No lynch pray for crossfire

We lynch mafia:

3-1-1

WW, mafia kill town (not same person)

1-1-1 town doesn't win

WW, mafia kill same person or someone NKs

2-1-1 Pretty much we have to no lynch to have a shot at winning

Mafia kill WW, WW kills mafia

2 town wins

mafia kills ww, ww nks (or vice versa)

3-1 MYLO/no lynch to narrow down suspect pool

We can't lynch WW because that is auto scum win.

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE:

I don't feel like anything new was said by Misa. I will wait and re-evaluate though. The two people I would like to lynch are bubba/Misa.

Also, since the WW is revealed the scum KNOW who they have to kill in order to have a chance at winning so there is 0% chance they target the wrong person and kill town.

[beastcharizard]

Where is the buddying? You are making huge leaps and just throwing stuff around hoping that it sticks.

[beastcharizard]

Why it doesn't make sense I am scum:

I got the result on Aegor and shared it. While I have always said sharing is null at best but me claiming my result doesn't make any sense for scum at that point. If I were scum I would have wanted to with hold the result and lynch anyone but Aegor. That way we could get someone else lynched since town would not have the info it has now. That would have brought the night in a 3-2-1 that it is now. As mafia we could have clearly shot the WW knowing whom they were and Aegor would either hit a mafia or hit town and it would be an auto win for mafia. The fact that I told everyone my result gives town information that they would not have normally had. If we had lynched Aegor then we would have been put in LYLO 2 times in a row but that actually gives town the chance at winning no matter what the scum does.

So tell me, why would scum claim their result when it was highly more beneficial for them to withhold it?

[beastcharizard]

But in my scenario the likely hood of needing the pro-town creds is very little and not worth it. Keeping the information to myself would have been 1000 times more beneficial if I were scum.

bubba, if you are town then we already lost this game. I think you are scum and that isn't going to change and you think I am scum and that has yet to change. So if we are both town and taken to LYLO we lose because I feel we both would just be convinced that the other is the final scum.

[beastcharizard]

I got the result from the Mafia Seer so the werewolf would have no knowledge of whom was inspected or what the result I got was so there would be no risk of them knowing the plan.

It is probably equal. Your predecessor randomly cleaning eh without mentioning them but like twice really stuck out to me and put them on the same tier as bubba. bubba is very vocal though and that helps the game move along even if it is ever so slightly.

I don't like how you are like: "I can see this." and "I understand where you are coming from." It feels way to much like complacency.

[beastcharizard]

Ok, then tell me why Mindgamer/Team 9 got the result the first night and claimed it in thread? They were also town.

Why we put our winning chances on the WW I don't know but we did. Also, what do you propose we do then if we can't lynch mafia? Lynch town? Pro town there. No lynch? Pretty sure you were just against that. Lynch the WW? We autolose in that scenario.

[beastcharizard]

No matter what the situation Aegor can't win. Why not just shoot for mafia so that they can't win either? Also, there is a chance that Aegor can't read anyone and shoots scum on accident.

I feel he pretty much did as well.

[beastcharizard]

I still think it is dumb to have him decide if we win or not. But the way you were making it seem is that no matter what we do today we are probably going to lose because either the WW isn't going to shoot the mafia or we are going to lynch town and be screwed over. If anything Aegor should just not shoot anyone if we lynch scum.

Literally we have to hope Aegor is either a bad shot or doesn't want mafia to win. We have almost no say in our victory.

[beastcharizard]

I am not pairing anyone up really. I do think Zekrom just slipped greatly so that actually throws a wrench into my thinking. I am waiting for a Zekrom response.

So to say I am no longer confident in both my reads.

[beastcharizard]

I think he is really slipping right now. Each posts makes me more suspicious of them. At this point in time I would be ok with their lynch.

Intent to vote Zekrom.

[beastcharizard]

Did that make you think they were scum or town? I am really confused right now.

[beastcharizard]

No one argued with my intent so I am going to do it.

VOTE: Zekrom25

You slipped, bubba has a good point.

[beastcharizard]

This game has gone on long enough. Aegor, I'm going to offer you the draw. Zeck and I are the scumteam. Shoot bubba tonight. Tomorrow we turbolynch the last townie. I'm sorry this took so long, but I still had a shot at a straight win and that's better than a draw. There is no WIFOM that stops this. We will be majority together come morning.

VOTE: Zekrom

Actually, you could force a no lynch tomorrow and at that point cause a prisoners dilemma to occur. You would say you wouldn't shoot Aegor and Aegor would say they wouldn't shoot you but in the end one of you could betray the other in order to get the win.

There is no guarantee that you are telling the truth.

[beastcharizard]

I see no rule that says once you are lynched you can't give info so you would have come out and said that they were not your partner.

[beastcharizard]

If this happens I am going to be upset.

JD, why did you decide to claim and get the draw? You could have had the full win.

[beastcharizard]

Is it a draw between everyone or just mafia/werewolf?

GG everyone. I find it fitting bubba and I died at the same time.

bubba, i like how you play btw. I don't hold anything against you. Also, sorry for my tunneling. It is a bad habit of mine.

[beastcharizard]

No one could counter claim because Zekrom would have confirmed the scum.

[beastcharizard]

The mafia had claimed. It was JD.