NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Psyche]

I am Psyche.

[Psyche]

can i start voting people yet

[Psyche]

oh, you're next

[Psyche]

vote reinoe

we should consider a policy lynch

[Psyche]

dont beat around the bush plz

[Psyche]

can we get to playing now

[Psyche]

vote majiffy

there is no town mindset or something

[Psyche]

You failed. I win.

either i like this person
or she is Who

[Psyche]

vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

[Psyche]

come on
someone's gotta vindicate my presence here

[Psyche]

Wow, NS is more of a narcissist than Majiffy.

[Psyche]

everyone VS Reinoe.

:/

that's not even vaguely clever

[Psyche]

We're still chitchatting instead of playing. How does this game get on track?

I think we should all simultaneously selfvote and then each present the soundest possible case for our own lynch.

[Psyche]

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

[Psyche]

reinoe you're next

[Psyche]

We're still chitchatting

No, the serious game has started.

What are your thoughts on notscience giving town cred to TSO for speculating on the setup when the setup is publicly available?

ns gives towncred more lazily than his mother gives people the time doncha know

pedit: well then just give us the case on you then

[Psyche]

i really wish you were more of a team player reinoe

[Psyche]

it be a good thing that no swearing occurred

[Psyche]

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

[Psyche]

@mirhawk: i was hoping reinoe would be a team player

[Psyche]

okay

[Psyche]

vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

:?:

So what was the serious thing in the first vote?

I don't like you Psyche

VOTE: Psyche

it was the aspiration for reinoe's lynch

[Psyche]

What is the scum motive behind claiming a role that will be instantly disconfirmed?

[Psyche]

I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care.

I voted you because your claim looked full of shit.

Turns out I was right. Fancy that.

majiffy is this lazy on purpose

[Psyche]

well i like you farside

[Psyche]

vote majiffy

are reaction tests scum?

[Psyche]

well i like you farside

Why you being a jerk to renioe?

he's being a jerk to people who take this game seriously

[Psyche]

oh look at me playing internet hero

[Psyche]

will anything come of it, though?
besides more "Look, ma! I'm scumhunting!"

[Psyche]

is this the game you take seriously reinoe
is this the game where we can hold you at your word?

[Psyche]

more than two

[Psyche]

will anything come of it, though?
besides more "Look, ma! I'm scumhunting!"

We can always try...

VOTE: psyche

you're just so disappointing

[Psyche]

reinoe
you are interacting with real people,
real individuals with actual mental lives

you want to be treated fairly, right? with respect?
and you'd rather be a creative, positive force than one that provokes calls for policy lynchings?
so why treat these people as objects for your own amusement

[Psyche]

its majiffy's
it's majiffy's blood ive decided i want

[Psyche]

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

That's pretty good.

Total scum.

Vote: Psyche

which thing is good and which thing is scum

[Psyche]

ive never actually been interested in a reinoe policy lynch
so much as ive been interested in a reinoe affirmation that his play won't be deliberately shit this game

[Psyche]

if he just says it —
that we can feel free to take him at his word this game
then the risk of profound mayhem drops a lot

[Psyche]

vote majiffy

are reaction tests scum?

For a Yale kid, you're a fucking moron.

i go to princeton

you keep avoiding questions

[Psyche]

Let me run you down the two scenarios;

1) Town Tree
Gambits IC.
Garners no reactions, until a reasonless vote.
OMGUSes.
Gambit revealed as fake.
Decides to gambit again, despite first yielding admittedly no useful responses.

Motivation for second gambit: ???


2) Scum Tree
Gambits IC
Regardless of actual reactions, can either;
a) Use the gambit in and of itself to push self-as-town
b) Use any reactions to garner falsified reads that he can use as a leg to stand on for "scumhunting"
Garners 1 vote and no other negative reactions.
OMGUSes
Gambit revealed as false
Gambits again, because there wasn't major blowback.

Motivation: Risk-Benefit is in his favor for the second gambit as scum.

what proportion of scummers do you suppose think through their reaction tests to the degree you're supposing that tree has?

[Psyche]

what makes it look like a scum gambit

[Psyche]

It's just so incredibly tenuous to call him scum for that because I don't really think either of your motives work in context.

I'm not calling him scum for it. I'm arguing against your townread over it.

but you voted him over it
and said i seemed to be chainsawing
so you have to understand why reading this is pretty surprising

[Psyche]

what makes it look like a scum gambit

I am now ignoring you until you read my posts.

you're not thinking things through

[Psyche]

your tenuous theoretical cost-benefit analysis doesn't really demonstrate scumminess at all
it's a possible thinking process that I personally find dubious that tree would go through,
but there's no evidence around to show that this thinking process was undertaken at all

[Psyche]

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

that's also false

[Psyche]

majiffy throws around hyperbolic insults like ns throws around townreads

[Psyche]

its his way of pressuring people to agree with him

[Psyche]

Possible bad word choice on my end - I didn't mean personal attacks, I meant your arguments against him.

Psyche, on the other hand, has done nothing but discredit my arguments and chainsaw like a mofuggah.

Now vote Tree.

well they are very bad arguments

[Psyche]

*wiggle*

VOTE: wake

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

I think this sums it up well enough.

this is the most pathetic wagon i have ever seen

I think Tree is town - a VI. There is no conniving in his posts. A lot of players, present company included, play around too much at gamestart.
I don't quite understand why it's

this

show of excess that generates a wagon rather than my own or others, except that Majiffy has decided so and there are enough weaker players around to go with it.

[Psyche]

Majiffy keeps saying that something about tree's silliness is scummy, but I can't find the place in his iso where he explains what this something scummy is.
I'd like someone sheeping him to explain to me what that is.

[Psyche]

oh look four lines

[Psyche]

Do you think this includes you? I sure don't.

remind of this the next time you think i should trust your reading of a situation

[Psyche]

that was your second most substantive post this game

[Psyche]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

[Psyche]

Who do you actually think is scum?

Seeing as how you were only ever pushing reinoe as some sort of bizarre public service.

i think majiffy is scum!

what about my reinoe push is bizzarre
i think it was much better than every actual push to get him lynched

[Psyche]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

Mirhawk asks if you have reads, and instead you give us percentiles? What?

shh we are ninjaing each other

[Psyche]

Wait no, that's not abrasive enough.

You're not scumhunting and I don't know who you think is scum.

And most of what I've seen you post is chaff.

well i don't think you're very good at telling chaff from scumhunting at all mr. abrasive

[Psyche]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

[Psyche]

well then

er, im gonna be inactive for a while on account of college transitions

[Psyche]

@mod: please replace me, very sorry, life's gotten rather heavy

[Psyche]

oh nvm ill stay

[Psyche]

me no longer having unlimited time to spam this thread is probably not a good reason to replace out now that i think of it

[Psyche]

I can't believe that the top wagon is tree.

[Psyche]

i faked replacing out

[Psyche]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

[Psyche]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

Faulty premises. The fakeclaim ploys aren't the scumread, the play after is.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

Lots of posturing.

This

is your idea of a case?

weak

[Psyche]

Yeah.

I feel weirdly confident in it.

you always feel weirdly confident in your reads

[Psyche]

majiffy lots of people can't figure out where it is that you justified your vote
even the ones who aren't aware that you're scum

[Psyche]

I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care.

I voted you because your claim looked full of shit.

Turns out I was right. Fancy that.

VOTE: Tree

Just because you're cool enough to vote the IC doesn't mean you're not scum.

VOTE: Majiffy

Mod posted. Didnt confirm you. Ill take this as a scumclaim.

Faulty premises. The fakeclaim ploys aren't the scumread, the play after is.

seriously, guys

[Psyche]

i can't believe anyone could be so aggressively stupid

[Psyche]

weak

A+ stellar rebuttal.

And your defense deserves the friggin' fields medal.

majiffy lots of people can't figure out where it is that you justified your vote
even the ones who aren't aware that you're scum

Because they're fucking idiots that think the large argument that ensued regarding scum motivation in gambits was the scumread.

Probably because

eyesglazeover

.

That doesn't make my argument any bit weaker. It just means we have a lot of incompetent players.[/quote]

two things

- If you think the town is so dumb, why don't you put any effort into explaining the substance of your posts? Every single time someone has asked you for clarification, you've avoided doing so by either calling them stupid or saying something stupid. How the hell could you be so deliberately obscure about your reasons for a lynch and at same time be interested in making that lynch happen?

- You ALWAYS do this. You always put the burden for comprehending your incoherence on other players. How many people will it take for you to realize that the problem is you?

I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care.

I voted you because your claim looked full of shit.

Turns out I was right. Fancy that.

VOTE: Tree

Just because you're cool enough to vote the IC doesn't mean you're not scum.

VOTE: Majiffy

Mod posted. Didnt confirm you. Ill take this as a scumclaim.

Faulty premises. The fakeclaim ploys aren't the scumread, the play after is.

seriously, guys

Thanks for clarifying my position for everyone.

I think it's pretty clear-cut too.[/quote]

this is you saying something stupid, for example

[Psyche]

and i just don't understand how you can so consistently go around having confident reads when every time ive encountered them in the wild they've sucked

[Psyche]

All of the posts i quoted contradicted each other except temporally

[Psyche]

Other people have seen my reasons. So it's obviously not me.

can anyone in this friggin game tell me what majiffy's reasons for voting tree are
because clearly he can't

[Psyche]

just finish this sentence for me majiffy

Tree is scummy because...

[Psyche]

You are pushing tree's lynch for OMGUS and being useless, and because other people say that doing so is scummy.

Is that right?

[Psyche]

that is the lamest case ever and you know it

[Psyche]

ill get back to that in a second

so you're srsly claiming that OMGUS is scummy

[Psyche]

and what is this brand and what about it is scummy

[Psyche]

A vote of convenience instead of legitimacy.

Just because you're cool enough to vote the IC doesn't mean you're not scum.

VOTE: Majiffy

Of course I'm not an IC, just look at the last votecount. I claimed IC to see what people did with it and I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care. Most people ignored it which didn't do much. Also I thought alts weren't allowed in Normal games?

"It was a reaction test! Look! A reaction! Must be

scum!

"

there is nothing this post where you show that tree's vote is one of convenience
you are just preying on a player who by the point of this post is clearly not competent enough to defend himself
it's soo friggin' transparent

[Psyche]

sigh, reinoe
just because he knows how to spell obfuscate doesn't mean he's competent at word-fu

[Psyche]

and you're still pushing a lame rvs wagon

[Psyche]

It is neither lame nor RVS.

look at the people who are on your wagon with you

[Psyche]

tbh the last time i had a correct scumread without PR support was back in the 90s when after 2 years of living i finally discerned that my mom was in fact a scum roleblocker

[Psyche]

she has not yet been lynched but i very sure

[Psyche]

a reinoe/tn feud

[Psyche]

farside,
that's not the argument to push

everyone gets reads wrong
and a lot of people get reads right

the issue is overconfidence with respect to a read based on OMGUS, inactivity and premature, circular association tells

[Psyche]

ughhh

unvote

you just said it
majiffy is exactly that sort of person who would push a shitty tree lynch

[Psyche]

tree is scum for action x ->
these people who disagree with my read on this scum are scum ->
tree is scum because there exists these people who disagree with my read on this scum

[Psyche]

in my last game, majiffy was mislynched D1 for pulling shit like this, for being a dick
if today is going to be productive for me, i can't waste it tunneling an asshole

[Psyche]

tree if you're not going to play just replace out

[Psyche]

you're making me look like a huge dick for attacking the wagon on you

[Psyche]

majiffy discussing f62 outside of f62 is against site rules

[Psyche]

tree if you're not going to play just replace out

Mmm, dat buddy mad that his partner gave up.

we are both town

[Psyche]

i already explained my tree read

[Psyche]

No psyche it's okay let then chain lynches

In fact let them chain lynch you for whiteknighting me

I mean we both -know- the other is town

But we'll be much happier dead and laughing at the town

you have no idea how much i want to flake

[Psyche]

why don't you just
push for titus's lynch..?

[Psyche]

blah blah viable lynches blah

that's a really lame excuse

[Psyche]

vote aeronaut

[Psyche]

I don't think the odds of Tree flipping scum are all that great, he feels like lynchbait.

Though I suppose if we don't lynch him we're going to have to go through this song and dance again tomorrow.

Alright

Vote
Lynch: Tree

ughhh

on a side note do you know how much votes formatted like so remove all hope of automated anything

[Psyche]

aero is a great wagon

[Psyche]

sighh
both alignments have to try to look like something

[Psyche]

you are all really bizarre

[Psyche]

can you gimme your reads and an explanation for each of them so substantive than you think they might even convince someone to agree with you, at least as far as you can

[Psyche]

i voted aero because his votes look bad

[Psyche]

So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

ns is confirmed terrible

[Psyche]

wherever you want bby

[Psyche]

ive lost track of everyone on account of the fast growing thread and apologize

[Psyche]

this is me rolefishing too

[Psyche]

scum don't usually NK their own teammates aero

[Psyche]

So, you are a PR, aero?

[Psyche]

are you a pr aero

[Psyche]

Fuckin shitty elyse. Are you happy now? Ffs.

i thought it was already evident that aero was a pr

[Psyche]

i will need to evaluate the aero rationale before deciding the validity of the claim

[Psyche]

Ok this shit with Aero is just going over the top. Scum really don't want to let go of it, do they?

you seem really confident that aero is town and i wonder why

[Psyche]

Ok this shit with Aero is just going over the top. Scum really don't want to let go of it, do they?

you seem really confident that aero is town and i wonder why

?

[Psyche]

I agree with Titus that Aero's claim seems bullshitted and don't blame her for jumping onto the wagon at all.

unvote

But optimal play is optimal play.

[Psyche]

ohoho
it seems that im pretty close to a critical mass of reads

[Psyche]

Ok I am going to have nightmares now.
Tree wtf just wtf.
Psyche pls commit suicide now.
Pls pls pls.
Leaving this before my eyes start bleeding and my brain melts.

why are you so confident in your aeroread

[Psyche]

sighhh

what is this peculiar tendency of people to demonize people who disagree with them?

[Psyche]

Titus will be duly lynched if she vigs you.

that doesn't make any sense, etc

[Psyche]

he wasnt run up for the softclaim

[Psyche]

Elyse and ns, you should both be ashamed of your boundless incompetence that has prompted this horrifying display of idiocy.

calm the fuck down

[Psyche]

he wasnt run up for the softclaim

Yes, he was. Explicitly.

you're using one post by one person on the wagon as the best evidence accounting for the large aero wagon

[Psyche]

so you are saying that elyse's post about aero's wagon is why the wagon grew so strong

[Psyche]

wow tn

[Psyche]

A four person neighborhood in a smaller game where that neighborhood is the only one to probably exist? Sure, go with the quote.

A four person neighborhood in a large game with multiple neighborhoods? One of those neighborhoods might be all town.

I'd advise against thinking "there has to be scum there" because it might just lead to a chain of mislynches that isn't worth it in the end, whether there's scum in the neighborhood or not.

so you don't think it's likely that Wake placed scum in that neighborhood

[Psyche]

none of can't be done by scum; i really wonder what was going on in your head when you said that

[Psyche]

It's basically the same as taking five random people from the game and saying "there is probably at least one scum in this pile."

except its not since wake planned out the setup

[Psyche]

It's basically the same as taking five random people from the game and saying "there is probably at least one scum in this pile."

except its not since wake planned out the setup

[Psyche]

tree you are up to be lynched
be careful what you call shit

[Psyche]

tree you are up to be lynched
be careful what you call shit

By the way, can you give me your current thoughts on Aero+wagon? Believe it or not, I hold your reads in a somewhat high regard.

It's hard to tell until I get a flip or a confirmation.

[Psyche]

besides that it might help lynch scum?

[Psyche]

so you do not think it is likely that there is scum in the neighborhood?

[Psyche]

this is really tangential
the odds of a neighborhood claim affecting anyone's reads is very low

[Psyche]

can we go back to that time when we were lynching majiffy

[Psyche]

i will have my moment

[Psyche]

are you gonna push for her lynch

[Psyche]

didn't you only vote aero after he claimed

[Psyche]

you don't really have to react to tn anymore for a while

[Psyche]

its not a very compelling dialogue at all

[Psyche]

Can people please stop posting one-liners? I am guilty of this.


It really disrupts reading flow; it encourages scattered thinking; it makes this game frustratingly long.

i agree but i just don't know how

[Psyche]

Indifferent toward Tree lynch. Townreading Majiffy and Psyche. Null on T S O. Liking Alina and farside for town. This game has not been content-heavy, so I will not do my typical catchup post.

Spoiler:

I have been reading along, but haven't understood half of what is going on. Tree made a couple of quickly disproven fake claims that I can't see the purpose for. And I can't see the motivation for it from either a scum or a town. Although I will say that it seemed to generate quite a bit of conversation.

The recent interactions between Aero and Elyse have convinced me to
VOTE: Aeronaut

So yeah

he's town

moving on

I get that Gameplay's theory on a mountainous game makes it look like he is vanilla town. And I've never played with him before, but isn't it worth considering that he's scum who made this whole thing up to look like vanilla town?

Texcat mentions a lot about tree in the post I quoted but vote for aero for an unknown reason.
I typically see that from newbscum. Where you mention a player you don't like but vote the other and the person you have more issue with is your scum buddy.

I mentioned Tree because I had just finished reading 10 pages about Tree. I stated how I felt about the big wagon of the day, that I didn't understand or like the double claim, but didn't see it as particularly scummy. I then voted Aero, who I do find scummy, based on his interactions with Elyse, as I thought I had clearly stated.

Your voting based on some crap rule about mentioning one player and voting another is just that, crap.

VOTE: texcat

Nonsensical and unexplained vote on Aeronaut; paralipsis of "quite a bit of conversation," none of which is described or analyzed; cockamamie theory in 627 that is used to cast suspicion of gameplay but goes nowhere.

Spoiler:

I didn't think your vote was permanent initially. But you seem more and more attached to it as the day grows.
...
Meanwhile, you should vote tn5421.

It wasnt, and it does.

I wont be moving off tree unless absolutely necessary.

Im seeing strong pushback with moonlogic from psyche and aero that look like buddies helping a strong scum pr out of the depths

, strengthened by trees lurking the wagon away and inability to answer for anything.

You really should hop on.

How can you possibly justify that statement?

VOTE: tree

follow reinoe since he is making sense

Ew.


Oka can die, too.

i still don't think you push hard enough

That's what she said. -Wake

[Psyche]

that's a pretty meh case btw
i see evidence that he's not trying, but other than that, eh
his gameplay comment seems more like casual, throwaway theorizing than an attempt to set up a mislynch

[Psyche]

god its already 77 pages

[Psyche]

i don't quite understand our plan for confirming the role
if aero survives tomorrow - which scum have good reason to permit if they can roleblock him or he is scum -
then what?

[Psyche]

It's still not good play to lynch Aero today, of course. But I just don't get the picture in everyone's head.

[Psyche]

Well, they'd better.Click submit

[Psyche]

It's not so much a plan as much an inevitability. Either he'll have a no-gun report on a scum we end up lynching, or he ends up fucking himself by clearing townies and POE.

or...he'll claim to be RBed?

[Psyche]

That is the most likely thing to happen if he doesn't die after all, whether the claim is true or not.

[Psyche]

multiple factions is confirmed?

[Psyche]

i think ive figured out who else is in the neighby by now

[Psyche]

oh now there's a misogynistic aspect to it

[Psyche]

that's a pretty meh case btw
i see evidence that he's not trying, but other than that, eh
his gameplay comment seems more like casual, throwaway theorizing than an attempt to set up a mislynch

on texcat

[Psyche]

im gonna make it explode once i get the energy maybe
probably best to do it tomorrow

[Psyche]

hahaha

[Psyche]

what happened to the old plan to confirm him and stuff

[Psyche]

@elyse:

sounds like aegor but with less attitude

[Psyche]

i agree that it's important for oka to try to engage more with what's going on besides just repeatedly egging on a lynch in uninspired ways
and that reliance on this sort of lynch pushing to simulate actual contribution to the game is a great and even common strategy
but ive mislynched aegor before for doing something like this, and i need reason to think that oka won't go the same way

so i'm going to promise to vote oka by the end of tomorrow if he doesn't give us a substantial overview of his understanding of the game and its players asap

[Psyche]

from which we'll go from there

[Psyche]

but isn't it if he's lying?

[Psyche]

Wouldn't that require him living past toDay, and giving us a wrong result, which is in and of itself only confirmable by lynching?

well if he's not an investigative town pr,
we probably have another one and it can check him out

[Psyche]

you seem to be vacillating
are we lynching him because it's not possible to confirm him or because he's obvious scum

[Psyche]

Titus thinks he is obvscum. Furthermore, his role, being non-confirmable, is consequently not a deterrent.

I see no vacillating.

he said that the role was not confirmable and then when i said that it was he went back to the same 'obvscum' thing that did not constitute a change in the situation warranting a vote

[Psyche]

Your initial question was if he was lying, which I answered. As for your new point, that depends on two factors, neither of which I'm really comfortable with.

1) What type of investigative role we have, and how badly he's lying. If he's a Godfather or an SK, a regular cop may not help. If he's fakeclaiming and have an actual town gunsmith, it won't help if he's a Mafia Doctor (or possibly an SK, not sure about that). If we have a role cop, still won't help to know if he's town or scum.

These things are possible and that's a good reason to feel okay lynching him eventually if no one comes out and either confirms or condemns him, but not on D1. There is a good chance that we do have roles that can test his claim, especially if he is scum, and for that reason — and because town-aero surviving turns him into a virtual lightningrod for scum and possible free info for us — it's a good idea to let him survive. For like a Day.

2) Whatever investigative role we do have will have to out themselves on D2 in order to clear one person. If we have a doctor we can try playing Follow the Cop, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if scum has a RB if we have an investigative role

and

a doctor.

Optimal play

is

to out oneself to nail confirmed scum.

[Psyche]

Aero is scummy, and we should lynch him, but not on D1.

[Psyche]

we can sort one the same way that we can sort any person's alliance
but we still don't lynch that claim on D1

[Psyche]

ns is defined by fluff

[Psyche]

i think we can lynch scum!

[Psyche]

im working on a plan for the future, not so much a reads list, but i guess ill give you that too

[Psyche]

vote notscience

stop fucking around or be the day's compromise lynch

[Psyche]

what am i saying

[Psyche]

it's a game of mafia goddammit

[Psyche]

is that what the dragon sex rp sites are for

[Psyche]

You're just part of the noise, ns.

[Psyche]

oh fuck i thought it was the third

[Psyche]

if i don't get my wallpost up either today or tomorrow i nominate myself for the compromise lynch

[Psyche]

oh god i wish majiffy were dead

[Psyche]

FYI buzzwording is a scumtell

:>

one of the only confirmed ones!

[Psyche]

then i will claim

:[

[Psyche]

oh fuck it

vote texcat

i want today over NOW

[Psyche]

Psyche's iso is terrifying. I want to higligh some things in it:

oh fuck it

vote texcat

i want today over NOW

Lazy opportunustic vote. Another blatant sheep with little to none reasons.

vote reinoe

we should consider a policy lynch

vote majiffy

there is no town mindset or something

vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

His first votes. Too much jumping there and here. The worst part is that he himself states those are not rvs votes.

We're still chitchatting instead of playing. How does this game get on track?

I think we should all simultaneously selfvote and then each present the soundest possible case for our own lynch.

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

He admits it and does nothing about it.

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

A shitty vote - exuse to look useful by placing an empty vote.

vote aeronaut

The main thing here - go to Psyche's iso, press Ctr F and then write Aeronaut ( Aero). Never mentions him once until that vote.

It is really hard to iso Psyche tho. A lot of his posts are either really confusing, empty, shitty or just unhelpful. Imo Psyche is being the lazy scum now.

This is the same case I heard earlier in the game. You can scroll through my iso to see my rebuttal. Everything new about your case just comes from missing the context or air with which I said something. It's really that simple.

[Psyche]

oh, sure
but nothing about your case is new except for the unedified parts

[Psyche]

oh i can't find it
i'll get to your case later i guess

[Psyche]

Oh wait are you talking about that?

Psyche - just like Tso, no reasonig places a naked vote:

vote aeronaut

Things he said for Aero

:

~nothing before the vote

--------------

~After the vote:

aero is a great wagon

Um that is not a case nor is it equal to my last post concerning you.

oh no you've never said anything substantial about me

[Psyche]

but like
gameplay is actually trying

[Psyche]

Psyche's iso is terrifying. I want to higligh some things in it:

oh fuck it

vote texcat

i want today over NOW

Lazy opportunustic vote. Another blatant sheep with little to none reasons.

I don't care anymore.

vote reinoe

we should consider a policy lynch

vote majiffy

there is no town mindset or something

vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

His first votes. Too much jumping there and here. The worst part is that he himself states those are not rvs votes.

Their point was to get the ball rolling. Being unserious about them doesn't do that.

We're still chitchatting instead of playing. How does this game get on track?

I think we should all simultaneously selfvote and then each present the soundest possible case for our own lynch.

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

He admits it and does nothing about it.

There is no problem with "it".

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

A shitty vote - exuse to look useful by placing an empty vote.

Did it look useful???

vote aeronaut

The main thing here - go to Psyche's iso, press Ctr F and then write Aeronaut ( Aero). Never mentions him once until that vote.

So?

It is really hard to iso Psyche tho. A lot of his posts are either really confusing, empty, shitty or just unhelpful. Imo Psyche is being the lazy scum now.

Sure, and a lot of my posts aren't any of those things. Welcome to Psyche.

[Psyche]

please be patient with me
i don't think i actually like mafia
that has a profound impact on my play

[Psyche]

always one at a time
unless something terrible happens

[Psyche]

but enough about me
i promised you guys a wallpost

[Psyche]

i will

vote oka

the case on texcat is simply not compelling, and how oka said "then I will claim" just came off as really disingenuous

[Psyche]

fuck my wallpost

[Psyche]

You are scum, aren't you? :/

no

[Psyche]

i already explained why the texcat case is mediocre earlier
but i joined the wagon out of exasperation
this is my last breath of trying

[Psyche]

why

[Psyche]

if there are multiple teams, it should be evident after a flip, right?
like one team will be Red Scum or something?

[Psyche]

automated vote counters should be able to handle same-line voting

[Psyche]

oh that's why i liked tree

[Psyche]

hmmmm

[Psyche]

unvote

:[

[Psyche]

i dunno where elyse gets this story about how newbscum play