Mini 1738: Original Mafia (Day)

[Firebringer]

Yo yo guys.

What is up?

[Firebringer]

I am going to end all my posts with #Honest

Because thats what I am.

[Firebringer]

So I guess I should be reviewing everything thats happened in game...
I don't like making notes.
Everyone always just shits on them anyways.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

I am sorry, still going to have hashtags.

#TooBad
#Honest

[Firebringer]

Buckwild ISO

7 Fluff
10 Don’t understand purpose of this and its odd. Null
25 Says we should lynch a player before night. Kind of typical reasoning, ad questions Esp. Townish
46 Stands firm in his opinion, pretty townie you ask me.
85 This post is bad. Its not even good like fake votes. Boring.
104 Fluff and stupid question
111 Questioning Esp. Town leaning
134 I should get some context because this looks opportunistic and I don’t know who he is voting guilty on. His reasoning is kind meh too.
141 Fluff
164 Read wall. I have no opinion on this since I have yet to read another players ISO. Might have to relook at this.
167 Weird post.
173 Fluff
197 Are you guilting everyone? And you made a terrible joke earlier. Scummy.
198 All you do is guilty and it looks bad to me.
211 Everyone is vanilla….Wtf, is this a scum slip?
212 Fluff
218 Don’t know.
222 This seems like coordinating to teammates to kill a player.
246 Prod dodge
252 Complete reversal of his previous opinion on not lynching after 1 is lynched.
261 Why are you fake voting? Ugh.
296 First innocent wow.
337 Fence sitting and he admits it, still bad.
338 Another guilty vote.
413 Finally a good vote for night.
447 Like a previous post of yours which basically said “hey guys, attack this person”
448 Fluff
450 I actually agree with most of this.

In Summary: I should actually read everything before finalizing my opinion. Out of context is kind of harder to read. I should get familiar with what was going on with all that.
At first I thought he was town, but as I got deeper I some scummy motivations in him.

Not ready to vote on guilty/innocent yet.

I think we should just skip to night hough, would give me time to ISO and read everything.

Damn, I am such a try hard this game.
#Honest

[Firebringer]

Wow, I just looked at first post and saw night sequences.

Okay, so looking at Post 222, he basically was coordinating a kill on Jingle, and guess who is dead in morning?
Has anyone else noticed that? I really should read the whole thread.

[Firebringer]

Getting scum vibs from firebringer

You can't be getting scum vibes from me.
I am obviously honest

#Honest

[Firebringer]

i believe that means buck is dead, in which case

accuse firebringer

I feel like buck was 100% scum and fires reaction coming in came off as a super awkward bus.

I still haven't read the read completely.
And your case is literally shit.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

"please don't kill my buddy, lets go to night"

"I just am not QUITE READY to vote buck." - testing out the waters

Okay Hiplop okay.
Not even sure Buck was even scum yet, but you have pretty much decided that he was.
Thats pretty poor play if you ask me.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

in this game you have to go with your assumptions?

Not completely, thats what I assume the beginning of day phase is for with the notes.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

I think this is a pretty on point summation of why Firebringer's opening was pretty strongly scummy.

My entrance was scummy?

lol

Thats funny.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

<3 nacho

yes, yes it was fire.

Lynch me, I don't feel like defending myself.

Don't even feel like reading rest of thread and giving final thoughts.
You guys managed to make me go apathetic pretty fast, congrats.

[Firebringer]

unsure whether to give links.

Anyways: the thing about firebringer is dude plays WAY too many games at once and doesn't seem to care much about dying as town. As scum he tries to fabricate that.

But I suprisingly can get invested almost all of them, and usually am semi-productive in all of them (to some debate at how helpful I am to town/scum)

I do hate when players say I don't do shit at all, and when I try to get more invested, I get annoyed and like here I got called scum for my entrance?

Yeah...would rather focus on other games tbh.

[Firebringer]

So have i been lynched?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Yes

Can I just ask...like not for just me.

Some consistancy for what constitutes a vote?
Reading post before it says Vote for No Night, which I don't understand since currently I am accussed.

If you want my lynched say "Guilty"
if not "Innocent"

I don't like all this other shit "Yes/No/Death/etc' whatever it is.

If i was mod of this game I would nip this in the butt immediately this game is slightly different voting mechanics so you should be specific.

I wouldn't count votes unless it was Guilty or Innocent.

[Firebringer]

I don't mind a fire lynch, but I want him to catch up before we make that decision.

I am not catching up, if you are going to lynch me.

Which is what is happening now.

I enter game, get accused then you tell me "Hey, catch up"
My answer "No"

[Firebringer]

7 posts in the last 48 hours.

Good job everyone.

Yep, and you posted 24 hours before this post.
GOOD WORK!

[Firebringer]

Last page has been full of them, so who cares?

[Firebringer]

I'm not really interested in giving time for Firebringer to catchup if he clearly isn't going to catch up.
I don't really think his response after being accused was town.

Accuse: Firebringer

Kill: Firebringer

Considering I got one person who said they would innocent me so I could catch up, Yeah. No.

You guys are lynching me because I won't catch up.
I won't catch up because you are lynching me.

See the problem?

We both are at fault here, the difference is I won't do what you tell me to do just because you gun to my head.

I can be more cooperative if I had less threats of me being lynched.

[Firebringer]

Sun could be the best play now. I think we can rid ourselves of that slot without costing anything to us.

However, I think taking out Itle, hip, fire, sun wins the game. Unless Nacho has any strong belief for these players?

This is like 4 god damn players, how you plan on doing this?

Here I thought Aj was the most reasonable looking player in the game, now I am worried.

[Firebringer]

nacho ill buy as town

you im not sold 100%on

You look 10 x scummier than Aj, you realize that right?
All you do is say "Lynch" and "I am town" the last few pages are awful.
If yo uwere contributing it must have been earlier in the game.

The shit I have seen since replacingi n, is crap.

[Firebringer]

I say we go through with Aj plan since he is my strongest town read.

Might as well, since I am definitely getting lynched anyway.

also
@Ice Guy Hiplpo has done nothing to look town and I don't know how you can say his case on hiplop is inherently bad.

[Firebringer]

I am hating the semantics bullshit of the arguments right now guys.

[Firebringer]

semantics on the word lurker? or?

Lurker.

[Firebringer]

Now that I think about it though, if you are scum it might make sense to give up; like a precaution to make sure you don't accidentally lead town to find your buddies if you feel that you are about to be lynched.

It also makes sense from a town point of view anyways.
The number of times I give a "catch up post"
Then final 'reads' post.

And number of times they are either ignored or called bad, is pretty much 1-1.

So, I don't see the point in investing the time into it. You want to call me scum for that fine, but stop framing it like "I don't understand why Town would do this"

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, stop trolling and start posting constructively.

Let me refer you to this game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=63678

[Firebringer]

Here is me replacing into a slot:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=63181

[Firebringer]

From a quick read, the play style fits.

Well then I must be lynched then <3

[Firebringer]

Fire's posting has been acceptable enough to back off for now; Itlepip was a scumread much earlier in the game but has been a pretty strong townread for a while now, I liked hiplop push on Firebringer but I'm not sure it convinces me of a strong townread there.

Give me a little time to go through ISOs when I come home tonight.

This is a complete flip from previous posts.
You wanted me dead and now you say "we can back off"

Like I feel like I should like that, but it kind of annoys me your inconsistency.

[Firebringer]

V/LA Site wide till Wednesday.

[Firebringer]

I think I am now town leaning on Slaughterhouse that is cool.

Still to busy to do indepth posts or actually read whole thread.
Will be here on wednesday for more, sorry guys.

[Firebringer]

Fire, your opinion on Itle, sun, Ice and Hiplop please.

Ice maybe possibly town. Town leaning.
Itle no strong opinions. Scum leaning
Hiplop I can't figure out how anyone can be town reading him, I even quickly glanced at his ISO, He is just flat null.

Tell me how Hiplop is town though? Anyone?

[Firebringer]

This is Scum!Fire

It would be nice if you explained what makes this Scum!Fire but ehh. Not like it matters your hydra is as bipolar as [Insert Clever Funny Comparison Here]

[Firebringer]

I have no opinion on Sun, hey sun what you thinking right now?

[Firebringer]

Guilty

No offense Hiplop but if you are town, you have done a terrible job of showing it. Or I have done a bad job of actually finding any town motivation in your posts.
Anyways about 80% sure of this

[Firebringer]

Well I really don't think we should go to night at all.

Did we examine why the kills were aligned, my understanding of way this is scum can't communicate, so how did they decide a kill?
I mean if it were me I would put my kill at top of my town reads list, that's how I would communicate it.

Anyone talk about this?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Death

This game is going well.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Innocent

We are not lynching Aj right now.
That is horrible.

Also this game really needs replacements to bring some life back into it.

[Firebringer]

Fair point.

So, if I'm not wrong, 3 towns, 1 mafia and 2 unknowns are dead? Doesn't that mean we could be in 4/3 Lylo? Doesn't that mean we should be acting a lot more carefully than we are?

Actual thoughts tomorrow.

We could be......but do you think both those players were town that we lynched?

What you think of Hiplop?

[Firebringer]

Oh man firebringer also is scummy as hell. "I'm gonna end all my posts with #honest cause that's what I am" is the fakest thing faked in fakeland. And his ISO of...whoever it is is like "he started town and got scummier I'm not sure yet now it's time to do nothing useful for the entire rest of the fucking game" that active-lurking and fencesitting man Jesus Christ.

Fakeland?

And you call me fake? lol

#Honest

[Firebringer]

And you are not scum read. So there is no chance of lynching you.

Its weird how I agree with you that sun doesn't look that townie, but your reasons just seem terrible.

[Firebringer]

Fuck it lets kill fire

Accuse Fire

VOTE: Guilty

Can we not do this.

I mean like...aren't we accusing someone already, this is confusing me and mod.

This setup is horrible with voting.

[Firebringer]

I need to dive into this fire case, but I'm wondering whether anyone's weighed that Makoto was the one who pointed out random's slip?
Is that something that a scummate does to another scummate right off the bat?
My kneejerk reaction was no.

This is odd....it makes it sound like you know for 100% Random was scum.

[Firebringer]

Which doesn't make sense since random waasn't scum lol

[Firebringer]

VOTE: GUILTY

I've been busy as all hecksies, will continue to be busy as hecksies to the weekend but I'll at least be present as opposed to a quiet whisper underneath the floorboards from this point forward.

Can you remain consistent at all in this game.

Like you can't keep to a story with me. I am town one minute, and when it isn't convenient I am scum.

KEEP TO THE SAME STORY WHY DONT YOU!!!

[Firebringer]

You're gonna have to explain that one.
Because from where I stand, random is the closest to a scumflip you're going to get in a game like this.

Probably and Likely, doesn't mean it is confirmed. Town can act scummy.

[Firebringer]

Oh, and if anyone's curious, Firebringer and AJ are my best bets for scum right now.
In that order.

Nope, I find it highly unlikely Aj is scum, and i know I am not.

I don't like your slot either (Itlepip) he seemed rather lynch happy and was acting like his recent scum game.

[Firebringer]

Awful awful dissonance.
Why did you just flip this read from "he was town lol" to "he was likely scum but he wasn't confirmed"?

I forgot the game had 4 mafia, and only 3 votes for nights. So 1 of 2 people lynched had to be scum.

Didn't know we had lynched a scum.

[Firebringer]

You're going to have to do better than that now that I'm here.

Your saying I should ignore your previous slot or something?

[Firebringer]

Town it up to a readable point, and you'll get the consistency that you so desire. Until then...

No, you might as well lynch me if your going to do stupid shit like this.

[Firebringer]

Why do you think AJ is town firebuddy?

Unlike everyone I am talking to on this page?

He isn't insufferable.
Ohh shit, that might mean he is scum and the rest of you are town.

May as well be. The reasonable people are scum and the unreasonable are town, right?

Seems like a general thing.

[Firebringer]

Consistency is predictability, which is an enemy to the truth.

Its not that you can't develop your reads over time, but your read on me changes like how the mood of everyone else goes.

When people don't feel like lynching me. I am town by you.

When someone starts scum reading me. I am scum by you.

Its opportunistic reading at its finest.

[Firebringer]

Is pretty awful justification for saying that AJ is town.
Are you just making up reads Fire?

You caught me

[Firebringer]

Right now, I'm really not liking Firebringer, but I'm really liking Cheetory.

Firebringer, could you tell us why you're town? You seem to be more intent on attacking everybody who considers you scummy than actually trying to tell us why you're not scum.

And how is that any different from the game I played with you before.

Jesus, you taunted out how you "won" the game because you figured out I was town in another game. Then you want to go on about all I do is attack and act like thats a scum tell or something for me?

lol, you haven't improved from that game, clearly.

[Firebringer]

So why did that change your read from "he was town" to "maybe he was scum" without you being open about that progression in the game?
And why did that change your townread to that extent? Couldn't sakura's slot have been scum by your merit? Why does that erase such a hard townread?

I explained this, you going any further doesn't help at all.

I thought no scum have been confirmed lynch, because I can't read and unaware of whats going on.
So when I realized we had to lycnh a scum the day before with 2 players, I said it was a possibility he was scum.

I honestly haven't went back and actually read those days still. So where do you want to go with this exactly? Saying I am flip flopper? Cause I admitted I don't know what the fuck I was talking about.


I still have yet to catch up since my replacement in. Good for you for doing it though

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Guilty Part of the process to end this game w/nacho and scorp/burning earth

As for my views on RM, I accept that he was probably scum but I'm not going to sound 'sorry' that i didn't scum read him.

I don't even know what to say with this, kind of want my lynch at this point.

My one and only genuine town read wants to lynch me. Might as well get lynched.

#Honest

[Firebringer]

No. You really haven't.
You called randomidget town. You didn't say "what if he was town, your certainty here is weird".
Why were you reading him as town?
And why did you walk back that read?
Talk the progression.
Please and thank you.

Progression is bad.

Also why do you ignore like 90% of my posts and only comment on the stuff that you want to nail me for.

Like explicitly picking apart the bad shit.

[Firebringer]

Like, you seriously just threw a read at me for itlepip's play.
And now you're complaining that I'm not examining every aspect of your play. Does the hypocrisy not stand out to you?
Should I make a dumb comment about how

scummy

you are for only focusing on my commentary on you because that's only SOME of my play?
Doesn't that sound dumb?
It should.
Should also make you re-evaluate how you're approaching this conversation.

It doesn't sound dumb.

I said littlepip was scummy by meta, you replacing in doesn't change a slots role pm, and then you start picking apart only parts of my posts.

Like me reading a previous player in a slot isn't the same as picking only a part of a post and ignoring the rest of the post.

Then you ask questions that were answered in the post, if you read the whole thing, so I don't see how you can get so confused.

[Firebringer]

Because I'm most interested in the shit that doesn't make any sense.
Why are you still not answering the question?
I'm literally giving you an out.
If I was a dick I would just say "FUCK IT LETS LYNCH FIRE I DON'T GIVE A FUCK" but I'm genuinely curious if you have some reason why you thought random was like ridiculously town.
Because I don't get it.
And when I don't get things I want to understand.
And if you keep making it hard for me to understand then I'll just throw my hands up in the air and say "FUCK IT LETS LYNCH FIRE I DON'T GIVE A FUCK"

I have answered questions, stop pretending like I didn't, its annoying.

I don't think you are actually interested in figuring anything out, so far you have seemed fake.

This argument with me? It's really fake.

If you are town, post game we can have conversation on this, but seriously. Picking one part of my posts and not reading the rest of the post?

I honestly think you might as well, regardless of alignment, just say "Lets lynch Fire, Because fuck it"

At least that sounds genuine.

[Firebringer]

Oh yeah.
I definitely understand your townread on randomidget now.
Wait.
I'm lying.

Can you not read?
I thought it was confirmed that we DIDNT LYNCH a scum.

Jesus, are you a moron or scum?

[Firebringer]

I explained I made a mistake in my assumptions, I didn't even read randommidgets posts to give opinion, I just looked at Day 1, and thought this game only had 3 scum, found out it had 4 when I relooked.

I admitted my mistake, stop poking me about it, its annoying.

[Firebringer]

-.-
Is it really that hard to just be more clear like that?
Because it really is not 100% obviously clear from that post that that was what you meant.

So you thought there were three scum? Is what you were trying to get at?

Yes.

I feel like I have said this three times now, am I high or something?

[Firebringer]

I think I have bee nlynched?

I have no idea. My last thoughts would be final 2 scum (assuming hiplop was scum) is Slaughterhouse and Cheetory6/Sun

[Firebringer]

Don't be a prick at me.

I am one though, and just because I am a douche doesn't mean you aren't scum though.

What your thoughts on sun btw?

[Firebringer]

Are you trying to do a pisskop impression?

Pisskop is my alter ergo, didn't you know that?

I think I roll scum only slightly more than he does.

[Firebringer]

Slaughter's reasons for why they seemed town resonated with me to some degree.

What you think of possibility them being teammates?

[Firebringer]

I know it looks good on paper that "scum change their reads when its convenient for them!" but I think it's arguably scarier for scum to back off of a scumread or come back to it again after calling someone town. Dissonance is something that most scumplayers would avoid.

You haven't seen my scum game.
I don't tend to tunnel, I can be very opportunistic with my reads and pushes lol.

[Firebringer]

I hate that this feels like Mana again.

That was just a shit game though.

[Firebringer]

Why do you quote like that? If I may ask.

You know you can snip the quotes your self.
Also highlighting the part you want and hitting quote, automatically snips it for you.
And provides me a link so I can see the exact post you are quiting.

[Firebringer]

Look, can everyone clearly and consicely state their top two scum reads? I want to see if there is any hope of a consensus here.

How odd....

You haven't provided this but expect everyone too.
Thats funny.

[Firebringer]

I thought he wanted reasons. was that not what he wanted?

If so I take back what I said.

[Firebringer]

w/e I already stated my two:

Slaughterhouse and Sun/Cheetory. If I had to pick one it woudl be Sun of those two.

[Firebringer]

I need sleep, I clearly can't read effectively running on 30+ houirs of no sleep.

[Firebringer]

Sometimes it's just perfect. I would vote you now but you're hammered anyway.

This is same attitude last game, and you acted like I was scum all game, then you flipped, then we won.

You aren't perfect, stop pretending like you are.

[Firebringer]

There's a part of me that's nagging saying that Ice is maybe scum.

No, not saying I have a strong town read on him, but this is seriously how he played last game I had with him.

He just kept saying I was scum, and kept pushing for lynches without wanting to actually talk. He also continued to complain about apathy while also saying lynches would help with it.

He was terrible, and he is terrible now.

So yeah. This could be his town game or just his general playstyle.

[Firebringer]

Oh you're not dead yet?

VOTE: Yes

It should be "Guilty". Not "Yes" lol.
Can you like keep it consistent?

Cause I would appreciate it, just for my own sanity.

[Firebringer]

Don't worry; you won't be needing to follow this thread soon.

I sincerly hope so, cause I honestly don't like playing with you Ice.

[Firebringer]

So whats everyones thoughts on skipping day and going into nights?
Possible pros and cons, cause I think we lynched at least 1 scum, so we are down to at least 2.

Possibly 1 if Buck was also scum.

[Firebringer]

What does going to night accomplish except allowing Aj to execute the kill he coordinated?

Unless everybody we lynched was town or scum we don't know any alignments for sure. And if everybody was scum we won the game anyway.

We confirm how many mafia are left.
Instead of all this speculation.

We don't know scum know for sure who they will kill.

[Firebringer]

This game got really boring. :/

I blame potatoes, who do you blame Cheetory?

[Firebringer]

I said Random could be town.

Anyways, sad that my scum reads in the late game were bad. Besides Hiplop everything else I had was wrong, especially my read on ice >.>