Gay Mafia 3: Trumpocalypse Now D8

Brian Skies · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:03 pm

As fun as a Kuribo wagon sounds

VOTE: -Grey-

Brian Skies · Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:13 pm

You know, the best way to hide Trump's identity is to just not talk about him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:15 pm

Everything about this is premeditated and scum motivated.

Brian Skies · Post Post #137 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:00 pm

In post 51, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 31, Brian Skies wrote:Everything about this is premeditated and scum motivated.
How is it scum motivated?
-Ali

I'm going to break this down for you.

Mafia were told explicitly that Trump is a role they need to kill. Town were told not to give it away. The best way to deny any useful information to the scumteam is to not talk about it. This is very basic play that anyone who has played an Assassins in the Palace game or one of its many variants should know.

Scum obviously know this. They also probably know their best opportunity to get any information is at the beginning of the game during the giant clusterfuck that always happens and is already happening right now. Who do they send? The guy with the newbie join date so that he can easily pull out if things get dicey. "He's new, he doesn't know any better." No.

"Oh, you're just being paranoid. How can you think scum would do something like this?"

Because they sent Greynarl to talk about multiball in StreetRacers: Las Vegas. This is the scum qt.

At first I thought Grey was just being bad, but after seeing the 'mason claims' pile onto me, I got reminded of StreetRacers, and now I think Grey is just scum.

Brian Skies · Post Post #141 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:02 pm

I have a townread on Kuribo and a scumread on Albert.

Brian Skies · Post Post #144 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:03 pm

I'm only convinced of one.

Brian Skies · Post Post #149 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:05 pm

In post 146, Firebringer wrote:
In post 137, Brian Skies wrote:Mafia were told explicitly that Trump is a role they need to kill. Town were told not to give it away. The best way to deny any useful information to the scumteam is to not talk about it. This is very basic play that anyone who has played an Assassins in the Palace game or one of its many variants should know.
i kind of feel this is a scum analysis of this situation?

I don't know why you started by saying what mafia was "explicitly" told....we were all told...

Ugh.
I am not voting brian now but damn i will hate it if arthur and spiffeh are right.

You're kidding me right? It's obvious who the mod is addressing when he says those words.

Brian Skies · Post Post #159 (isolation #7) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:10 pm

In post 158, Little Red Fedora wrote:I would like this post, buuuuuuuuuuut I've played with Grey before. Like, a lot actually. He's probably better then I am at this god forsaken game. Me and him even have a hydra together. Yes him "sheeping the masons" does remind me of Open 665 where he hardcore buddied up to me as scum because he thought I was a mason when I wasn't but Grey isn't really a newbie. Like, looking at this from your PoV you see looked at the join date and saw "newbie" but it just seems off to me that you don't consider the possibility of him being an alt.

Point is: Don't misjudge Grey for a newbie; he's not. I find it concerning you're trying to discredit him as a newbie.

If he's not an alt, then I definitely want to lynch him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #160 (isolation #8) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:11 pm

If he's not a newbie*

Brian Skies · Post Post #168 (isolation #9) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:20 pm

VOTE: Formerfish

Brian Skies · Post Post #171 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:23 pm

Don't get comfortable. There's plenty of time for me to sink your ship.

Brian Skies · Post Post #173 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:25 pm

Going with the too scummy to be scum route. Bold play.

Brian Skies · Post Post #180 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:31 pm

In post 174, -Grey- wrote:
In post 173, Brian Skies wrote:Going with the too scummy to be scum route. Bold play.

Indeed
.

Brian Skies · Post Post #209 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:46 pm

In post 207, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 168, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Formerfish

In post 170, -Grey- wrote:
In post 168, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Formerfish
Looks like I need to bus my buddy now that Brian has found him.

VOTE: formerfish
Brian your scumread voted with you.
How do you feel about this?
-Ali

Ambivalent. This wagon isn't about him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #211 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:47 pm

In post 209, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 207, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 168, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Formerfish

In post 170, -Grey- wrote:
In post 168, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Formerfish
Looks like I need to bus my buddy now that Brian has found him.

VOTE: formerfish
Brian your scumread voted with you.
How do you feel about this?
-Ali

Ambivalent.

Indifferent
. This wagon isn't about him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #213 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:48 pm

Fight the power.

Brian Skies · Post Post #219 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:51 pm

No? Why would I?

Brian Skies · Post Post #228 (isolation #17) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:55 pm

In post 222, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 219, Brian Skies wrote:No? Why would I?
It just comes off as strange to me that you just seem so, okay and indifferent about it. Makes me feel uneasy about this whole Formerfish wagon overall.
-Ali

1) Scum bus.
2) Desp is the one claiming to be able to read Formerfish with 100% accuracy. It's strange, but there are indeed pairs who can do this.

My vote is determinant on Desp and Formerfish

only

.

Brian Skies · Post Post #231 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:59 pm

In post 230, Little Red Fedora wrote:A. I can't really argue against this besides the fact being here you make it seem like you're okay with Grey bussing which I'm not so sure I like tbh.

If scum are bussing, it's still a scum lynch. I'm not really picky which scum dies first.

Brian Skies · Post Post #236 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:05 pm

Nope.

Brian Skies · Post Post #237 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:06 pm

Grey and SAD maybe scum. I want to townread Majiffy, but I know better.

Brian Skies · Post Post #239 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:11 pm

I don't like any of these posts. It's not a read I'm confident in though. Everything else is just eh.

Spoiler:

Brian Skies · Post Post #242 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:19 pm

In post 241, Little Red Fedora wrote:What do you make out of SAD's later posts then?
Also I thought you were really convinced on your Grey read. Atleast you came across like that. Now he's a maybe? Why is he suddenly a maybe now?
-Ali

A lot of them are in line with his initial posting, so I don't find it alignment indicative. I'm not a fan of his questioning on Xxxysdyg, but Xyxyyxy is a stated scumread of his, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I like to second guess myself.

Brian Skies · Post Post #244 (isolation #23) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:21 pm

You have no influence, Spiffeh.

Brian Skies · Post Post #248 (isolation #24) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:23 pm

Kay, you do that.

Brian Skies · Post Post #502 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:27 am

Hmmm.

VOTE: Wraith

Brian Skies · Post Post #514 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:29 am

My top suspects are Syryana and Wraith as far as avoiding the wagon goes. I had Fedora as my top suspect, but now I have reason to believe they could be town.

Brian Skies · Post Post #516 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:30 am

Oh, my vote is permanent. Well then. That's dumb.

Brian Skies · Post Post #522 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:31 am

In post 518, Little Red Fedora wrote:What is this trash?

You know, it's shit like this that makes me think you're scum despite having reason to believe otherwise.

Brian Skies · Post Post #525 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:32 am

Like, I literally can't even change my vote today, lmao.

Brian Skies · Post Post #531 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:34 am

In post 510, Spiffeh wrote:Also why the fuck would you vig FIREBRINGER

He was p. obvtown

Also this.

I do have a townread on Spiffeh, by the way. As well as Pine and bundle of Sticks.

I still think Wraith and Syryana are super suspect for the way they avoided the wagon. I'd vote one of them, but I can't.

Brian Skies · Post Post #534 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:34 am

In post 528, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 520, Spiffeh wrote:DGB you're not looking to great after yesterday either jsyk
I think I look towntastic.

I think you look

okay

. Your posts aren't bad, but I don't recognize this DGB at all.

Brian Skies · Post Post #540 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:37 am

In post 530, Little Red Fedora wrote:Brian talk to me about Wraith.
Why did you want to vote them?
-Ali

Syryana was pushing Formerfish but wouldn't vote him.

Wraith has nothing in his iso except isos and one post here. Everything about that post just feels scummy to me. He starts off with 'I don't see how people scumread Brian' but then slowly progresses into a scumread and votes me in a way that it looks like he was setting himself up to jump off. There isn't anything there that looks like genuine town scumhunting and just looks like him trying to blend in by posting several reactionary gif's and talking shit about other people's reads without really delving into anything.

Brian Skies · Post Post #543 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:38 am

Oh, I have a townread on Kuribo too. I knew I was forgetting someone.

Brian Skies · Post Post #548 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:40 am

In post 538, Little Red Fedora wrote:Explain to me your TR on sticks.

I really like their entrance. I like their interactions with Kuribo. I like their response to you here, especially since I thought your post was most likely coming from scum trying to look busy and not really looking for any real engagement.

Brian Skies · Post Post #560 (isolation #35) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:45 am

@Tammy: Not that I would know of. There is only one thing I can think of, but I don't know why it would prevent an action from going through. I guess it depends on what the action is. I was also selected for early voting by something, which is why my vote won't move. So it could also be related to that (or something else entirely).

Brian Skies · Post Post #594 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:59 am

In post 584, Wraith wrote:Fuck it, I'll do it now, this seems pretty simple so far.

In post 531, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 510, Spiffeh wrote:Also why the fuck would you vig FIREBRINGER

He was p. obvtown
Also this.

I do have a townread on Spiffeh, by the way. As well as Pine and bundle of Sticks.

I still think Wraith and Syryana are super suspect for the way they avoided the wagon. I'd vote one of them, but I can't.
I avoided the wagon because it was obviously terrible and groundless.

What're your reads?

Brian Skies · Post Post #596 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:00 am

In post 593, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 584, Wraith wrote:Fuck it, I'll do it now, this seems pretty simple so far.

In post 531, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 510, Spiffeh wrote:Also why the fuck would you vig FIREBRINGER

He was p. obvtown
Also this.

I do have a townread on Spiffeh, by the way. As well as Pine and bundle of Sticks.

I still think Wraith and Syryana are super suspect for the way they avoided the wagon. I'd vote one of them, but I can't.
I avoided the wagon because it was obviously terrible and groundless.
I want to force Brian to vote another player in the game to test his permanent vote claim. If it is, that vote is negative utility that likely happened to Brian and locked into us. If his vote moves, then he's a lying sack of shit who needs to explain how he could early vote without posting.

~Titus

I already tried to vote Wraith today. My vote is still on you.

Brian Skies · Post Post #612 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:03 am

In post 602, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:When did Brian even vote Little Red Fedora???

All I see is a Wraith vote in his ISO

After the deadline for night actions. Before the Day was opened. I was told I was selected for early voting.

Brian Skies · Post Post #669 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:23 am

In post 641, Wraith wrote:I'm about to go off and do other stuff but just want to leave it saying Tammy has jumped on my radar since she appeared to claim vote manipulator on the last page.

I don't see any pro-town reason for pinning Brian's vote to LRF.

If you think vote manipulator is an anti town role, why do you think someone indicating they're the one who did it is more likely to come from scum?

You don't see any reason a vote manipulator could be town? Really?

Brian Skies · Post Post #679 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:27 am

In post 658, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 653, Tammy wrote:So now you can explain why the fuck you role blocked me if that's what you did.
Tammy idk what my role does!!!

I believe this only because Reck won't explain to me how my role is supposed to work.

Brian Skies · Post Post #690 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:31 am

In post 667, Tammy wrote:Wraith - I targeted Brian last night because I though he had a chance for being scum but is someone I can't read all that well though I think he has really good instincts when town and if town, and known to me, we could work together. I almost targeted Titus because I was suspicious of the slot, can't really read her that well unless certain things arise, and I'd be able to work with her knowing if she were town or get her lynched much easier than I can if she's scum.

^Yeah, this is town. Not that Tammy outright claiming an investigative role wasn't already a huge enough clue to the rest of you.

Brian Skies · Post Post #694 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:32 am

In post 683, bundle of sticks wrote:
In post 518, Little Red Fedora wrote:What is this trash?
You're townreading Wraith?

^See? Sticks is town.

Brian Skies · Post Post #696 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:33 am

Well, I guess a scum Ceph could still make that post. But I want to believe I'm right.

Brian Skies · Post Post #701 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:34 am

Oh, by the way, my vote wasn't randomly placed. I got to place my vote, but I had to choose before the day started. It went something like Wraith -> Syryana -> Vax before I just settled on Fedora.

Brian Skies · Post Post #708 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:37 am

In post 707, Little Red Fedora wrote:I am either Tammy scum or Spifdeh confirmed town.

Why are these dependent on each other?

Brian Skies · Post Post #754 (isolation #46) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:54 am

In post 739, Tammy wrote:The only soft claiming I did was asking if I was role blocked. It's not a soft claim. I hard claim omarossa town cop. My ability is happens to be black. I tried to investigate Brian skies last night.

You were probably blocked. My role has nothing that would prevent an investigation like this on me.

Brian Skies · Post Post #762 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:58 am

Wraith is my preferred lynch for the day.

Titus lynch is okay. Tammy agreeing with me that their one post looks fake makes me more confident in my read there.

As far as Vax goes, 337 is suspicious, but it's not a read I'm confident in.

Brian Skies · Post Post #777 (isolation #48) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:07 am

In post 764, Little Red Fedora wrote:Vaxkiller also is in a wagon position that I don't care to touch today.

Why not?

Brian Skies · Post Post #815 (isolation #49) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:36 am

In post 814, Tammy wrote:
In post 514, Brian Skies wrote:My top suspects are Syryana and Wraith as far as avoiding the wagon goes. I had Fedora as my top suspect, but now I have reason to believe they could be town.
What is that reason?

Who knows? It's not something that anyone should ever put stock in, if that's what you're asking.

Brian Skies · Post Post #825 (isolation #50) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:50 am

In post 482, Little Red Fedora wrote:VOTE: Brian
This,
Vax
, Sticks, and Desperado I'm okay with getting rid of.
-Ali

In post 782, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 777, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 764, Little Red Fedora wrote:Vaxkiller also is in a wagon position that I don't care to touch today.
Why not?
Third on the wagon. This was a wagon scum could coast on. Scum being on the back or off entirely makes more sense.

Do you two just not discuss your reads?

Brian Skies · Post Post #834 (isolation #51) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:24 am

In post 610, Wraith wrote:
In post 594, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 584, Wraith wrote:Fuck it, I'll do it now, this seems pretty simple so far.

In post 531, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 510, Spiffeh wrote:Also why the fuck would you vig FIREBRINGER

He was p. obvtown
Also this.

I do have a townread on Spiffeh, by the way. As well as Pine and bundle of Sticks.

I still think Wraith and Syryana are super suspect for the way they avoided the wagon. I'd vote one of them, but I can't.
I avoided the wagon because it was obviously terrible and groundless.
What're your reads?
See above. I was pretty suspicious of Desperado for starting that awful wagon yesterday but I believe his claim.

Firebringer was pretty obvtown, he was trying really hard to look scummy joining that wagon and I feel like it was bait to draw votes, and that he didn't seriously believe in the FF wagon but it got out of hand too quickly for him to reverse course.

Wtf? Your only reads are on confirmed town?

Brian Skies · Post Post #836 (isolation #52) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:33 am

I'm asking about your townreads. Also good job going for low hanging fruit.

Brian Skies · Post Post #840 (isolation #53) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:35 am

In post 832, Wraith wrote:
In post 701, Brian Skies wrote:Oh, by the way, my vote wasn't randomly placed. I got to place my vote, but I had to choose before the day started. It went something like Wraith -> Syryana -> Vax before I just settled on Fedora.
Oh well THAT clears a lot up.

And puts you back at the top of my scum list.

You choosing LRF over me for this restriction makes absolutely no sense to me on any level since I am clearly your top scumread and have been since yesterday.

No, if you read the game at all, my top scumread was Grey -> Fedora. When did I say you were my top scumread?

Brian Skies · Post Post #872 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:09 am

In post 835, Wraith wrote:Yeah Spiffeh's sudden reversal on Majiffy is baffling to me. I can only guess he has always townread Majiffy and was trying to draw out "bad votes" or something but that makes no sense.

This conclusion doesn't jive with me.

Also, I don't think I ever even mentioned you until today.

In post 850, Wraith wrote:Considering I've been a frequent fixture of your negative attention ever since I first expressed my suspicion of you D1, forgive me for drawing conclusions.

So this is just baffling.

Brian Skies · Post Post #873 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:11 am

In post 843, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 840, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 832, Wraith wrote:
In post 701, Brian Skies wrote:Oh, by the way, my vote wasn't randomly placed. I got to place my vote, but I had to choose before the day started. It went something like Wraith -> Syryana -> Vax before I just settled on Fedora.
Oh well THAT clears a lot up.

And puts you back at the top of my scum list.

You choosing LRF over me for this restriction makes absolutely no sense to me on any level since I am clearly your top scumread and have been since yesterday.
No, if you read the game at all, my top scumread was Grey -> Fedora. When did I say you were my top scumread?
What's your hiplop read?

I don't like that slot, but the only games I remember him being in were Desert Kingdom, where he was lynchbait, and Graveyard Shift Mafia where he was lurking scum (and Reck wouldn't let me lynch him to redeem myself).

Brian Skies · Post Post #880 (isolation #56) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:20 am

In post 876, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 874, Brian Skies wrote:I don't like that slot, but the only games I remember him being in were Desert Kingdom, where he was lynchbait, and Graveyard Shift Mafia where he was lurking scum (and Reck wouldn't let me lynch him to redeem myself).
Why is Grey scum?

That read is so page 2. It had to do with his opening post that I thought was him trying to draw information on Trump's identity. I also don't like his vote onto Formerfish where it seemed like he was trying to tie himself to that slot (I don't understand what my vote on Formerfish had to do with him at all), or get me to unvote (but the latter doesn't really make sense from the perspective of scum). I didn't like Ali's buddying of the Grey slot, or her reasoning for leaving the Formerfish wagon (part of the reason they were my biggest scumread). It felt like Ali was looking for an easy excuse to leave the wagon. The Grey slot is a bit of a stale read and there are slots I suspect more.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1365 (isolation #57) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:10 pm

In post 939, -Grey- wrote:
In post 880, Brian Skies wrote:The Grey slot is a bit of a stale read
Staleness is only relevant when referring to townreads. Scum can and do lurk out suspicion.

I don't buy you losing interest in scumreading me simply because time passed.

Scum lurking out suspicion is definitely a thing, but you don't get to tell me how I feel about my own reads. The staleness has to do with me finding other players scummier, which I said, and the game exploding. Time has nothing to do with it.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1405 (isolation #58) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:20 pm

In post 1029, Tammy wrote:
In post 1027, Nachomamma8 wrote:abr = cyberpunk abr with more amusing roleplay
This is exactly exactly why I'm concerned!!!

This is why I scumread him early on, by the way.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1430 (isolation #59) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:29 pm

In post 1061, Tammy wrote:
In post 815, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 814, Tammy wrote:
In post 514, Brian Skies wrote:My top suspects are Syryana and Wraith as far as avoiding the wagon goes. I had Fedora as my top suspect, but now I have reason to believe they could be town.
What is that reason?
Who knows? It's not something that anyone should ever put stock in, if that's what you're asking.
I'd be interested.

If they were in danger of being lynched, I might tell you. Otherwise, I'd rather keep it to myself and pretend it never existed.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1440 (isolation #60) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:34 pm

In post 1083, Tammy wrote:
In post 830, Desperado wrote:
In post 824, Tammy wrote:
In post 821, Desperado wrote:
In post 721, Tammy wrote:Oh Omarosa by the way. And the scum team I'm guessing is black because my ability is happens to be black.
Huh?

I'm 95% sure scum are Mexicans
I report on The Blacks so I figured they were black.
Hmmmm multiball? The Wall specifically says it protects against Mexicans but only once because it's a half baked idea
I'm not entertaining multiball until there's more than one scum kill and I did contemplate this, but my ability seems pretty specific. If we get scum that's not black then maybe it's just amusing flavor but until then I just think they're black. (And I'm a traitorous bitch!)

Also this rosetta is all kinds of yum.

Actually, my flavor is an old white man. Do you think that may have been the reason your investigation on me failed?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1445 (isolation #61) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:38 pm

In post 1088, xyzzy wrote:
In post 1075, Tammy wrote:
In post 1073, xyzzy wrote:
I think scum Tammy is plausible

Fedora is deffo town imo for reasons

raisons for both please.
Tammy because I feel like the whole thing with the cop claim is scum trying to draw out town power roles

I don't think it would be beneficial to the town to discuss why I think that about Fedora. it's Reasons

I think if town really has a doctor, then Tammy is likely not going to survive for very long regardless of what you think of her. Why do you think scum Tammy feels the need to fakeclaim cop on Day 2, and without provocation?

I would love to hear your reasons for townreading Fedora.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1472 (isolation #62) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:47 pm

It's like every page I read, you guys generate another page or more of content. I don't even...

Brian Skies · Post Post #1645 (isolation #63) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:35 pm

It sucks that my vote's permanent, but I still like my vote on Fedora.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1650 (isolation #64) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:41 pm

In post 1519, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 546, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:SPIFFEH MY PARTNER can you please tell me why you think majiffy is scum in the mason PT

In post 547, Spiffeh wrote:SAD stop it's not cute anymore
At first I was giving you guys a few town points, then I read this and took away some town points.
Then I thought about it and realized people probably wouldn't call you out on this if you were both scum. +town points

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why does it matter whether other players call them out for it? If they can't both be scum, but one of them can, why are they both getting townpoints?

The rest of your posts were pretty boring. I also wonder if this is how other players felt when I used to make wall posts like these.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1654 (isolation #65) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:52 pm

In post 891, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 889, Majiffy wrote:No scum kill, Spiffeh was saved by doc
If this is the reason people think Spiffeh is town it's silly.

I think Spiffeh is town, but I'm highly skeptical of the claimed doc result at the beginning of the day. I've never seen a doc be told they saved their target from a kill, much less be able to anonymously announce it to the rest of the playerlist. I'm also not a fan of all the players just going 'uh huh, yeah, that sounds legit' and just using it as a reason to cross Spiffeh off as town.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1658 (isolation #66) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:10 pm

I don't really think the 'doc protect' has anything to do with Desp, unless you think players can take multiple actions in the same night. And from Desp's posts, I got the feeling he hasn't used it yet.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1661 (isolation #67) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:29 pm

No, but you mentioned it as a possibility and I responded to it. I know you pointed out that moderators sometimes announce doc protects. But I've never seen it done that way before on this site and ignored it.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1665 (isolation #68) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:43 pm

I can see where you're coming from, I just find the whole idea of its existence sketchy, especially in the presence of a Cop. I also think the likelihood of scum having a doctor this game to be pretty high.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1666 (isolation #69) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:45 pm

Also, Tammy's claim and Grey's attitude this game makes me want to lynch him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1670 (isolation #70) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:49 pm

If scum have a doctor (or even if they don't), they can pretend to have their kill blocked, wk spiffeh, and attack the people on the FF wagon. It not only makes their doctor seem more plausible, but draws attention away from them being off the wagon. Or that's what I've been theorizing.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1673 (isolation #71) » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:51 pm

xxyxyyxy can die too.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1768 (isolation #72) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:21 pm

In post 1678, Tammy wrote:I don't get what wking spiffeh has to do with accusing people on the formerfish wagon, is anyone even doing that?

Personally, I think killing someone off a wagon and having them flip town is something scum would do to make the players on a wagon look worse. Even if you think the doc announcement is real, why else would you think Spiffeh would be attacked/protected/etc (there are probably a lot of good reasons why Spiffeh would be killed, but I'm mostly concerned about why him specifically and not someone else)? Either way, I may have gone just a bit too deep, but I'm still pretty skeptical about it.

Out of curiosity, when did you receive your failed cop result? Was it during the time between Night 1 and Day 2, or after Day 2 already opened?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1770 (isolation #73) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:35 pm

Skepticism of the 'doctor' getting a result during the period between Night 1 and Day 2 and getting to announce it to the world.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1781 (isolation #74) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:41 pm

In post 1772, Vaxkiller wrote:Im also not understanding you, but I can see I wrote my post pretty poorly.

I'm asking you why you thought them claiming masons with each other was worthy of giving "them town points". If other people react to their claims, isn't that more indicative of the people reacting rather than Spiffeh/SAD? Why do you think other people reacting is even indicative of their alignment? I know you said you couldn't see them both being scum with each other, but that still leaves open the possibility of one of them being scum. So why give them

both

townpoints for it?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1785 (isolation #75) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:46 pm

Is that a hammer?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1787 (isolation #76) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:47 pm

Counting is hard.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1789 (isolation #77) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:47 pm

Vax is about to die, DGB. How do you feel about it?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1794 (isolation #78) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:50 pm

Albert's not on this wagon yet. Do you guys really want to leave it in L-1 lolhammer range for him?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1798 (isolation #79) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:59 pm

VOTE: Vax

Brian Skies · Post Post #1802 (isolation #80) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:01 pm

Relax, my vote is still permanently stuck on Fedora.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1803 (isolation #81) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:01 pm

I just wanted your reaction.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1805 (isolation #82) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:05 pm

What's your read on Syryana, Spiffeh?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1812 (isolation #83) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:11 pm

I'm pretty sure Ali's scum.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1820 (isolation #84) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:15 pm

What's the point of italicizing your name if BPC isn't even playing?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1824 (isolation #85) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:21 pm

Well, Vax already checked out for the night. So why do you think you would have gotten either with a L-1 wagon?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1871 (isolation #86) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:20 am

In post 1838, Vaxkiller wrote:Brian you think hammering me is funny?

No, but I think fake-hammering is. Especially since I can't do anything else with my vote.

In post 1838, Vaxkiller wrote:Day 1 is one thing to cut short, but do you really think we have heard enough from everyone?

Considering my vote has already been confirmed to be permanently stuck on Fedora, I reiterated it immediately after I voted you, and I even said this, why are you asking me this?

In post 1781, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1772, Vaxkiller wrote:Im also not understanding you, but I can see I wrote my post pretty poorly.
I'm asking you why you thought them claiming masons with each other was worthy of giving "them town points". If other people react to their claims, isn't that more indicative of the people reacting rather than Spiffeh/SAD? Why do you think other people reacting is even indicative of their alignment? I know you said you couldn't see them both being scum with each other, but that still leaves open the possibility of one of them being scum. So why give them
both
townpoints for it?

Also, none of these questions were rhetorical. Please answer them.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1872 (isolation #87) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:20 am

In post 1849, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Brian is also super scummy he's playing in such a coy and disingenuous way.

What about my play has been coy or disingenuous?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1881 (isolation #88) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:27 am

In post 1855, Nachomamma8 wrote:Claim is confirmable and will prove him as town once confirmed

It will confirm him as a

watcher

. >:[

Who do you think is scum?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1884 (isolation #89) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:29 am

In post 0, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:In this continuation of the Gay Mafia mythology, God Emperor Trump rules over the land with an iron fist. He is opposed by a ragtag band of homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers.

What is wrong with you people?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1886 (isolation #90) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:31 am

Sure, I just dislike Nacho's comment. And I'm not getting the greatest vibes from him.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1887 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:32 am

By sure, I mean increasing the odds of you surviving to see another day. Nothing Vax has said has made me think he's town.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1892 (isolation #92) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:37 am

In post 1890, Tammy wrote:
In post 1887, Brian Skies wrote:By sure, I mean increasing the odds of you surviving to see another day. Nothing Vax has said has made me think he's town.
The thing about the people he interrogates will learn his name makes it better than just a watcher though.

What?

Brian Skies · Post Post #1898 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:48 am

In post 1893, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1781, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1772, Vaxkiller wrote:Im also not understanding you, but I can see I wrote my post pretty poorly.
I'm asking you why you thought them claiming masons with each other was worthy of giving "them town points". If other people react to their claims, isn't that more indicative of the people reacting rather than Spiffeh/SAD? Why do you think other people reacting is even indicative of their alignment? I know you said you couldn't see them both being scum with each other, but that still leaves open the possibility of one of them being scum. So why give them
both
townpoints for it?
I THINK I see waht your talking about, but honestly I'm still lost.

If spiffeh and SAD were both scum and claimed masons, taht seems liek one heel of a gambit. It connects them so if one dies the other is suspect. If one or the other is scum and the other town and they claim masons, that just doesn't make sense. Why would town freely accept this fake mason claim? If they are both town teh same thing applies, because they really dont know each others alignment, and would be hesitant to accept such a fake claim.

I was already town reading SAD before this, and spiffeh comes off better from the exchange becase he tells SAD to cut it out, which I dont think he would do in the main thread if they were scum.

Oh now I see, you think SAD could be scum in this scenario? I don't buy it. I think the problem is, is that I didnt already state I was town reading SAD from yesterday. when I spoke of giving them town points for this interaction.

I hope this answers your question.

Yeah this is fine. But my read on SAD is irrelevant to me just wanting to figure out whether your line of logic was contrived.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1900 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:51 am

But then we still have the 'doctor'. Air quotes included.

Brian Skies · Post Post #1906 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:58 am

SAD is grudgingly moving up my reads list.

Brian Skies · Post Post #2029 (isolation #96) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:25 pm

That moment when the mod PM's you your last vote and calls you

the actual worst

. Priceless.

Brian Skies · Post Post #2262 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:00 pm

You're dumb.

Brian Skies · Post Post #2307 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:38 pm

In post 2300, kuribo wrote:I've been scum against town Brian and his game feels sooooo off compared to Graveyard shift

Yeah, kinda happens when I decide to listen to myself and not other people or not play like shit.

Brian Skies · Post Post #2310 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:42 pm

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm one of the top posters in the game. I'm just tired of talking to the same people.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:44 pm

Also, I'm not even whining about this game. I was just telling you that my play here doesn't resemble my play in Graveyard Shift Mafia because 1) that game as a long time ago and 2) I was playing like shit.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:45 pm

And I can't vote anyone else other than Fedora anyway, so I'm mostly watching you guys circle jerk with tiny wagons and ignoring the silent players. If you really want to do something, wagon the shit out of Fedora, Albert, Xxxy, or Hocho and see what happens.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:45 pm

I'll even accept a wagon on Grey.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:46 pm

There are plenty of players in this game. But you're taking it out on me because...?

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:53 pm

I'm unopposed to a Hocho wagon. But if no one wants that, just wagon up Xxxy for me. I'm sure a near death experience will be enlightening for him.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:42 am

It's a good philosophy. Almost as good as ABP.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:52 am

Hocho Knife.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:37 am

In post 19, Pine wrote:Eating a Muslim baby makes me Ascetic for the night and a Supersaint the next day.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:38 am

What did the asian baby do?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:39 am

Oh, that's cool. Your baby choice kinda sorta makes sense.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:59 am

A near death experience probably.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:05 am

Kats with a fake daycop guilty on Nacho as scum.

Not condemning, but I find Grey's defense of Hocho incredibly weak.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:10 am

Isn't the Macho part public knowledge?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:11 am

I think he's talking about a Day 1-Night 1 perspective, Tammy.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:13 am

In post 2533, kuribo wrote:
In post 2527, Brian Skies wrote:Isn't the Macho part public knowledge?

KATSUKI CLAIMED MACHO AS WELL

So what? It's him reiterating what was already known.

I honestly don't care about his claim at all, especially when he was just acting like all the other players playing Trump WIFOM at the beginning of the game. And the scum supposedly hit 'Spiffeh' anyway.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:16 am

In post 2540, kuribo wrote:
In post 2537, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2533, kuribo wrote:
In post 2527, Brian Skies wrote:Isn't the Macho part public knowledge?

KATSUKI CLAIMED MACHO AS WELL
So what? It's him reiterating what was already known.

I honestly don't care about his claim at all, especially when he was just acting like all the other players playing Trump WIFOM at the beginning of the game. And the scum supposedly hit 'Spiffeh' anyway.

We don't already know katsuki is Fucking macho

We know trump is macho

AM I THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKER THAT ACTUALLY READS AROUND HERE WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Dude, he was claiming to be Trump.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:18 am

Oh, shit. I totally misread his post.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:24 am

I find Kuribo more convincing than Grey.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:43 am

You read Grey trying to derail the Hocho wagon, but to no avail.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:46 am

I wonder if SAD will manage to soft/hardclaim more roles than Kuribo/DGB in Anything Goes.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:47 am

Grey, who would you rather lynch than Hocho?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:53 am

In post 2608, Wraith wrote:TBH Desp needs to answer this now in case he was lying to protect Hocho. Because if he's not then Hocho needs to die immediately.

What?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:59 am

In post 2610, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2608, Wraith wrote:TBH Desp needs to answer this now in case he was lying to protect Hocho. Because if he's not then Hocho needs to die immediately.
What?

I really want to know why you think Desp's action has anything to do with Hocho's alignment.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:01 am

In post 2621, bundle of sticks wrote:
In post 2602, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2598, Brian Skies wrote:Grey, who would you rather lynch than Hocho?
The person I'm voting leaps to mind.

In post 2607, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2109, -Grey- wrote:Oh if Fedora is an actual thing I'm down with it.

VOTE: Fedora
Oh, this is where my vote was pre-reset.

VOTE: Fedora

In post 2616, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2614, kuribo wrote:But you forgot that you wanted them dead?
No?

I forgot the VC was reset.

Reach moar.
This is scum

He could still be scum, but not for this.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:04 am

Tammy, what do you think of Wraith's last post?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:15 am

In post 2608, Wraith wrote:TBH Desp needs to answer this now in case he was lying to protect Hocho. Because if he's not then Hocho needs to die immediately.

I'm leaving, but I'd like Nacho's thoughts on this now that he's graced us with his presence.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:08 pm

In post 2895, Spiffeh wrote:Brian is also null for me, can you explain why you're town reading him? Because I'm seeing him in a lot of town lists and I don't understand why.

You literally just pushed like all of my scumreads. Stop spiting me or fuck off. Your insistence on discrediting me this game is insane.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:33 pm

In post 2946, Kise wrote:How u guys feel about an xyz lynch?

I completely forgot this guy existed. I had a thought earlier that he

might

be town, so my enthusiasm in his wagon isn't as great as it was before.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:43 pm

In post 2953, Wraith wrote:Hocho has been caught in a lie

Your reason for being on this wagon is very questionable to me, and you using it as the sole reason for your scumread on Hocho is very 'wtf' to me.

How anyone can think Desp is lying here is beyond me.

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:51 pm

In post 794, Syryana wrote:Tammy, come dance with me

Also I'm the one that votelocked Brian, FYI

In post 2736, Syryana wrote:
In post 2732, Nachomamma8 wrote:Syryana locked Brian's vote unless I'm even more behind than I thought I was, which is entirely possible.
Not in this case

Did you send me in for early voting or not?

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:41 am

In post 2996, Tammy wrote:
In post 2992, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 794, Syryana wrote:Tammy, come dance with me

Also I'm the one that votelocked Brian, FYI

In post 2736, Syryana wrote:
In post 2732, Nachomamma8 wrote:Syryana locked Brian's vote unless I'm even more behind than I thought I was, which is entirely possible.
Not in this case
Did you send me in for early voting or not?
I think what her refrrring to is nacho's qualification of being potentially wrong due to being behind

Probably, but I still want to make sure.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:44 am

In post 3011, Spiffeh wrote:I don't get why Tammy is town reading you so I want her to explain. None of this was intended to spite you or w/e

Yeah, I figured this is what you were doing after I reread your post. But I've had this nagging feeling that you've been spiting me this game and I wanted to yell at you for it, so I left it.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:30 am

Or scum.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:31 am

Also, the Fedora's insistence on drawing comparison's of a slot's play to one other specific game is ridiculous.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:37 am

Fedora's buddying of Xxxyxyxyx makes me want to lynch him regardless of whatever I can come up with to explain Xxyxyx being town this game.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:39 am

I was thinking something else entirely about Xxxyxyxyx, and I mainly just want him to come in here and post so I can feel better about putting him on either side of my reads.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:50 am

Not gonna lie, I'm a little jealous Kats hydra'ed with Errantparabola after teasing me with our hydra in OYCPFF.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:09 am

In post 3093, Titus wrote:
In post 3089, Tammy wrote:
In post 3073, bundle of sticks wrote:
In post 3071, Brian Skies wrote:Fedora's buddying of Xxxyxyxyx makes me want to lynch him regardless of whatever I can come up with to explain Xxyxyx being town this game.
i half thought they were claiming masons, but titus' recent posting disproves that theory. she also conveniently ignored my follow up post.
Yeah I was wondering if this is what they were claiming too and then was trying to figure out what that meant for the make up of the scum team and how much I could trust any results I got.
XXXYZY whatever seemed to be implying he had role knowledge or something of my alignment and seemed like weird buddying to me, but I didn't want to call attention to it if that was the case/

Why can't he be scum faking it?

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:24 am

Did you really feel the need to write out all the scenarios instead of just a simple yes/no?

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:27 am

Annoyed.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:40 am

Fedora - Ali's reason for avoiding the Day 1 wagon still doesn't sit well with me. You coming in and saying you had reads on Spiffeh and Tammy that were dependent on each other still makes no sense to me. Your slot's insistence on reading Kats and Albert just based on one other game is scummy to me. Ali saying she read Cyberpunk and that it was some 'smoking gun' or that he all of a sudden was an authority on Albert because of it feels wrong.

Xyxyxxy - Not a strong read. I can see this slot being town, but I can just as easily see them as floating scum trying to hold onto a shit read, especially if you're scum.

Wraith - Despite Nacho's insistence on this guy being a bro, I haven't liked his recent posting. His reasoning for being on the Hocho wagon doesn't sit well with me as I don't think it's as clear cut as 'Katsuki or Desp is lying.' I also don't like him jumping on Grey's random crackpot theory that Desp is lying here and sticking to it when there's no reason to think Desp could be. Also, I don't think Desp deciding to protect Kats or whatever is relevant to Kats' alignment.

Hocho - Not a strong read, but don't have any reason to think he's town or oppose his wagon.

Albert - I'm not an authority on reading him, but I agree with Spiffeh that his interactions with you feel a lot to be desired. It felt like a bus when I first read them, and I don't like the way you're accusing him of treating you like shit when I feel like he's been trying to avoid you and not be toxic (personally, I like playing with Albert, but that fact a lot of people don't is still a thing).

Hiplop - Meh. Hiplop lurks as scum.

Grey - This one is the weakest of my reads and there's a limit to the 'too scummy to be scum' I can handle. Especially since Tammy is a claimed cop and a godfather could exist in this game.

Kise - An enigma to me. Hasn't really given me a whole lot to go on. I was a little perturbed he took my theory on scum having a doctor this game and ran with it, but he at least included his own thoughts on the matter. Him proudly wearing the tinfoil hat to pressure Xyyxyy read a little townish to me.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:47 am

I didn't take your accusation of Desp to be serious. Even if it is, I find Wraith seeing it and going 'yeah, that's totally what's happening' to be far worse.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:49 am

Also, there's no way there's 8 scum in this game, so you can't honestly believe I think everyone I just listed is scum together.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:51 am

Pine should probably be vigged.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:56 am

In post 3371, kuribo wrote:Yah but you violated one of the
three
commandments

5.
Thou shalt not fuck with kuribo

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:58 am

In post 3106, Brian Skies wrote:Fedora - Ali's reason for avoiding the Day 1 wagon still doesn't sit well with me. You coming in and saying you had reads on Spiffeh and Tammy that were dependent on each other still makes no sense to me. Your slot's insistence on reading Kats and Albert just based on one other game is scummy to me. Ali saying she read Cyberpunk and that it was some 'smoking gun' or that he all of a sudden was an authority on Albert because of it feels wrong.

Xyxyxxy - Not a strong read. I can see this slot being town, but I can just as easily see them as floating scum trying to hold onto a shit read, especially if you're scum.

Wraith - Despite Nacho's insistence on this guy being a bro, I haven't liked his recent posting. His reasoning for being on the Hocho wagon doesn't sit well with me as I don't think it's as clear cut as 'Katsuki or Desp is lying.' I also don't like him jumping on Grey's random crackpot theory that Desp is lying here and sticking to it when there's no reason to think Desp could be. Also, I don't think Desp deciding to protect Kats or whatever is relevant to Kats' alignment.

Hocho - Not a strong read, but don't have any reason to think he's town or oppose his wagon.

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Albert - I'm not an authority on reading him, but I agree with Spiffeh that his interactions with you feel a lot to be desired. It felt like a bus when I first read them, and I don't like the way you're accusing him of treating you like shit when I feel like he's been trying to avoid you and not be toxic (personally, I like playing with Albert, but that fact a lot of people don't is still a thing).

Hiplop - Meh. Hiplop lurks as scum.

Grey - This one is the weakest of my reads and there's a limit to the 'too scummy to be scum' I can handle. Especially since Tammy is a claimed cop and a godfather could exist in this game.

Kise - An enigma to me. Hasn't really given me a whole lot to go on. I was a little perturbed he took my theory on scum having a doctor this game and ran with it, but he at least included his own thoughts on the matter. Him proudly wearing the tinfoil hat to pressure Xyyxyy read a little townish to me.

Everyone below that line is a player I can see being town to some degree. Everyone above it should be shot or lynched.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:16 pm

It wasn't written in any order. Truthfully, Kise is only included because I wanted to talk about him. After looking through some iso's, I feel less strongly about Albert and Hiplop being scum.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:18 pm

I used 'you people' earlier as well. But no one made a joke about it. ):

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:20 pm

I think if you moved Wraith, Albert, and Grey all up one spot, it would be an accurate representation of where my reads were at the time. But I was just giving my immediate thoughts. Grey should actually be above Albert now.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:27 pm

Not like Ali didn't make it completely obvious even without them.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:28 pm

Better question is, who crumbs as a doc? Especially with a loud modifier?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:34 pm

Alright, gotcha. However, it's hard to make that jump if I'm hard scumreading your slot. How caught up are you?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:36 pm

Nah, I can wait. See ya tomorrow.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:37 pm

I really don't want to explain how stupid I think crumbing it is.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:04 am

In post 3614, bundle of sticks wrote:and tammy maybe scum, and i don't remember what if any reasons she has given for either.

In post 3399, Little Red Fedora wrote:We healed Spiffeh. We're a loud doctor. So I'm left with either I healed Spiffeh and thus Spiffeh is conftown or the killer was blocked. Since I don't think my hydras are that good where we can predict the scumkill accurately with me barely skimming the VCs on day 1, it made more sense that the kill was blocked. So Tammy looked rather scummy from my perspective considering someone claimed to blocked her and she claimed nearly unprovoked.

That's where I got Spiffeh was conftown or Tammy was scum Brian. I couldn't really explain that without claiming though... but I figured if you picked up the crumbs it would be obvious. Guess not.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:09 am

In post 3633, Nachomamma8 wrote:The only thing I remember Xyzzy is doing is picking up on Fedora's crumb and calling them town for ~REASONS THAT ARE SKETCHY~. I don't really trust him; if he was town and he thought he was picking up on a PR tell, I don't think he would be so horribly blatant about it unless he had suspicions on the slot somehow.

I'm not a fan of Xyxyxy either, simply because he just doesn't seem to have anything other than 'Fedora is town.' His explanation of the crumb here is wholly unexpected for me coming from either alignment, so I'm really hesitant there. But wavering back and forth on his read of the doctor claim because of all the 'doctor could be scum' speculation does read a little genuine to me.

Right now, I'd be fine with any of Wraith, Hiplop, or Albert being lynched. Hiplop seems to have dropped off the face of the planet. Albert is more of a read I don't feel comfortable with, and he's slowly getting pushed further and further away from my townpile as the game goes along.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:13 am

In post 3668, Tammy wrote:
In post 3076, Brian Skies wrote:I was thinking something else entirely about Xxxyxyxyx, and I mainly just want him to come in here and post so I can feel better about putting him on either side of my reads.
never mind.

I'm acknowledging that I've seen this and have chosen not to answer it.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:14 am

In post 3675, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Brian Skies - I felt his attempt at fake-hammering was townie, and the way he said the mod PMed him saying it was a bad play or w/e also rang townie.

I'm very disappointed this is all you have to say about me. ):

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:15 am

Also, I hate your Wraith read.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:16 am

I had no idea. But I just wanted to make things easier for you and show it to you instead of just saying 'titus said this.'

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:23 am

I think DGB is probably town. She's still making an effort to give her thoughts on things even though she's being drowned in all the pages we generate. Also, this post makes so much more sense in hindsight.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:26 am

Well, I think you're scum, so obviously.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:58 am

In post 3722, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3713, Little Red Fedora wrote:I'll flag this for Alisae unless you're ok with me doing theory.
I'd rather Alisae answer if that's okay to you; since you guys are signing, will probably be working to establish reads on both heads separately if possible.

I know why Alisae said that, and I don't think it's scummy. I also don't think he's at liberty to explain it.

In post 230, Little Red Fedora wrote:A. I can't really argue against this besides the fact being here you make it seem like you're okay with Grey bussing which I'm not so sure I like tbh.

This was the main issue I had with him.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:59 am

I swear this site quotes the wrong posts.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:02 am

In post 356, Little Red Fedora wrote:289 that's not a bellsprout what is this madness.
291 dam beat me to it.
294 hate this vote
296 Why the hesitation senpine?
299 Wat?
305 BRUH THAT'S NOT EVEN A POEM. Also "Why is he scum" followed by "Is he being bussed" seems off. Don't like the entrance.
308 Isn't that NAI nowadays?
317 Sign your posts, can you not do this anti-town gimmick please? Also why am I scum?
318 is voteworthy
320 SO WHAT?
More of sticks post: SIGN YOUR GOD DAM POST I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ANTI-TOWN BULLSHIT.
331 SAD beat me to it. RIP
332 Town
333 Can you sign anyways?
336 Why?
337 Okay. This is scummy because you are completely taking my vote out of context, and the fact you even came to that conclusion seems really reachy.
344 WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP ON STEALING MY THOUGHTS?
348 Okay this vote is complete trash.
350 town
-Ali

I also wasn't a fan of this post. I can't imagine Ceph not signing his posts was really that huge of a deal for him, and this post just looked like a lot of busy work or trying to blend in.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:11 am

I'm interested in your thoughts of my multiball scumplay.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:29 am

In post 3744, Tammy wrote:
In post 3740, Brian Skies wrote:I'm interested in your thoughts of my multiball scumplay.
Oh well I only read your ISO and literally nothing about the game. I think what I think feels different, that would probably be similar no matter what ball and I actually didn't take that into account, was it felt like you weren't as open to give your own opinions freely, and when you did you were really detailed in a way to make your thoughts more legitimate maybe?, you didn't take initiative or feel like you were giving thoughts off the cuff, and you made more excuses there.

I'm not sure if that's what you're asking though. For a multiball play that probably kept you protected from the other side and you got to actually scum hunt which always comes across more natural.

Spoiler: For Tammy

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:13 pm

In post 3770, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't think Syryana really avoided the wagon (and think that the accusation in general are bad when we're looking at a super short and super empty day). I also don't think that Wraith did either? Again, day was super short and super empty.

By avoiding, I meant 'off the wagon.' But I get what you're saying. I wasn't a huge fan of the Syryana accusation either, which is why I didn't keep my vote on him pre-Day 2. I also remember someone accusing Vax of something which I wasn't incredibly fond of, and it's why I moved on from him as well.

Wraith absolutely avoided the wagon, regardless of whether it's because he's town who disliked it or scum that didn't want to get caught on it.

In post 3776, Nachomamma8 wrote:I find Wraith's "I think Brian's reads suck, thus he is scum" line of attack in the linked post is pretty crappy, and I do think he probably used too many reactionary gifs, but that's a syntax point and not actually indicative of alignment. I agree with you that overall, the post is underwhelming.

The problem I have with his post is that he starts off with 'I don't understand why people are on Brian (even now)' before he moves on to scumread later on in the same paragraph. It's like, if he's scumreading me, then scumread me. But the way he did it felt disgusting and like he was posturing in case he needed to jump off.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:23 pm

In post 3777, Little Red Fedora wrote:Also what makes it come off as busy work or trying to blend in to you? At the time I remember I was trying to catch up because I missed some pages and stuff.

A lot of your comments were already said by others and didn't need repeating (blending in), and the little bit of original thoughts (if you'd call it that) was buried in a way that it was unlikely most people would notice it or engage it (it is a syntax issue, but I still find it scummy). The fact Ceph even bothered to look through it and respond to you made me feel good about him (among other things).

Ceph basically told you that BPC would probably never post, so I felt that you were unnecessarily blowing it out of proportion because other players were complaining about it too.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:24 pm

In post 3833, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3832, Brian Skies wrote:The problem I have with his post is that he starts off with 'I don't understand why people are on Brian (even now)' before he moves on to scumread later on in the same paragraph. It's like, if he's scumreading me, then scumread me. But the way he did it felt disgusting and like he was posturing in case he needed to jump off.
I'm not sure I see a world where Wraith writes out that he doesn't understand why you're getting scumread (as scum), then decides he might want to vote you and adds the second bit in. I do see a world where he initially doesn't see why you're getting suspected, finds a post of yours that looks iffy and then revisits the original townread on you and decides he doesn't like it.

I don't want to talk to you about Wraith unless you're fully caught up on him.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:27 pm

Then I disagree with you. I think that the post was written with the intention to look like a genuine train of thought or trajectory, but I don't think it is. I think a lot of his pushes later on are predicated on misunderstandings (his push on Tammy for being a voteblocker), opportunism (his sudden push on Vax as he was getting run up), or plain wtfness (see his vote on the Hocho wagon). I also don't like him causing chaos with the flavor of the scumteam (which can easily be faked), but a lot of people seem to have been having issues with that, but whatever.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:32 pm

In post 1823, Wraith wrote:I wanted more/better activity, or failing that (as in this case) a claim.

In post 1825, Wraith wrote:
In post 1824, Brian Skies wrote:Well, Vax already checked out for the night. So why do you think you would have gotten either with a L-1 wagon?
I assumed no one would be stupid enough to lolhammer after the first debacle.

But considering how violently LRF has reacted to a post where I wasn't actually intending to throw shade on their unvote...

It's "interesting" to say the least

I'm also not really buying his reason for being okay with a L-1 wagon on Vax. I kinda feel like he wanted that wagon to go through. Also his mention of LRF here with a complete lack of a conclusion is just...?

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:34 pm

I'll have to look at it because I either haven't seen it or don't remember it. I'm still catching up.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:35 pm

In post 3849, Nachomamma8 wrote:The lolhammer point isn't a bad one at all.

You're right, and it's why I backed off of him (or I think I did, I don't remember).

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:12 pm

In post 3829, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think that a big part of why I'm townreading him to the degree I am has to do with his conviction around the Majiffy lynch and how he handles the push itself. I think that the way he handles his reads on Brian Skies and Majiffy is weird with the vote manipulator sequence (my top suspect is now Majiffy because Brian's vote got manipulated onto Fedora, now my top suspect is Brian because he got to choose, now my top suspect is Majiffy again!)

The way he treated his read on me felt a little weird, although it's probably because I'm unsure whether he was changing his read based on me having my vote pinned or having it pinned to Fedora (and I wasn't liking Fedora's interactions around him up to that point, specifically because I came out with suspicion on Wraith and Ali instantly called my vote garbage).

In post 3829, Nachomamma8 wrote:but the way that the "Tammy is vote manipulator" sequence unfolded seems pretty genuine to me as far as being lost goes.

Yeah, I was fine with this and even asked him his thoughts on Tammy being a vote manipulator (even though I knew that wasn't what she was claiming). I don't know why scum can't be confused about it, especially if the vote manipulator isn't theirs.

In post 3829, Nachomamma8 wrote:This isn't the only example of course, but I think that Wraith's paranoia on Tammy seems pretty genuine and I like how he keeps coming back to it. The initial push very easily could have been scum trying to fit in with the anti-Tammy mood in the thread at the time, but the followups with the Mexican/Blacks fiasco, the "she's soft spoken!" comment, thinking that her role is too vanilla to fit in with an absurd setup, etc. etc. etc.; the fact that he keeps coming up with things to add to his paranoid theory (that he doesn't really have motivation to push) is what makes me town him without the reservations I have for the pushes that seem to drag on and on but never really evolves.

Idk. I feel like that's a really shallow argument to make (and I think some of the others even used it as a reason to suspect Tammy). And the flavor stuff is something I can see scum making to try and drop a fake towntell (so I don't want to use that as a marker for anyone being town).

If there's an argument I liked him making, it was his reason for voting Majiffy (which I skipped because I didn't want to read all those words and some of his arguments didn't make sense to me in a way I could parse at the time). I'm fine with the accusation of Majiffy not doing anything up until that point. But pretty much everything else is ???. Why can't Majiffy have pushed Spiffeh when someone claimed to have saved Spiffeh and a PGO died? I feel like the game was going quick enough at the time that Majiffy may have missed the Desp claim. The enabler thing from Majiffy is weird, but if Majiffy was a scum enabler, he probably would have told his team everything anyway unless he was a traitor. Wraith even explains some of his accusations could be due to the chaos in the game in that post, but leaves them there because...? Probably to add more stuff to his argument and make it seem more legit. But I feel like if he were trying to think critically about the situation, he wouldn't keep it in there? Idk.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:30 pm

I guess I can see Wraith just being overwhelmed town. Idk man. My reads are so messed up right now.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:36 pm

In post 3877, Nachomamma8 wrote:But yeah, I can see Wraith being scum more than I can before which means that the only thing we've accomplished is making our reads murkier!
\o/

I hate you.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:05 pm

In post 3878, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3877, Nachomamma8 wrote:But yeah, I can see Wraith being scum more than I can before which means that the only thing we've accomplished is making our reads murkier!
\o/
I hate you.

If the scumteam have a loud modifying role, Pine could be lying about his role and trying to skate to the end game on an ascetic supersaint claim.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:51 pm

No, Spiffeh called them out for bussing and I've echoed his sentiments.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:55 pm

I don't think he calls them out for bussing until way later.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:57 pm

In post 2813, Spiffeh wrote:ABR and Titus' interaction looks so forced to me

Like they know there are people here that know they hate each other so they have to save face by taking pot shots

When in actuality they're way more on the sidelines and toning down their feelings for each other, something I wouldn't expect from either of them as town.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:59 pm

I'm going to sleep Nacho. I've started a reread, but I probably won't have made any significant progress until tomorrow night. I look forward to your thoughts then.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:08 pm

In post 610, Wraith wrote:
In post 594, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 584, Wraith wrote:Fuck it, I'll do it now, this seems pretty simple so far.

In post 531, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 510, Spiffeh wrote:Also why the fuck would you vig FIREBRINGER

He was p. obvtown
Also this.

I do have a townread on Spiffeh, by the way. As well as Pine and bundle of Sticks.

I still think Wraith and Syryana are super suspect for the way they avoided the wagon. I'd vote one of them, but I can't.
I avoided the wagon because it was obviously terrible and groundless.
What're your reads?
See above. I was pretty suspicious of Desperado for starting that awful wagon yesterday but I believe his claim.

Firebringer was pretty obvtown, he was trying really hard to look scummy joining that wagon and I feel like it was bait to draw votes, and that he didn't seriously believe in the FF wagon but it got out of hand too quickly for him to reverse course.

I still don't like this post. And I'm going to leave it on a nice easy to remember page number.

Alright Nacho. I probably won't be anywhere near my fully finished reread either.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:30 pm

In post 4063, Kise wrote:If u still want to know:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60585

That game reminds me. Titus is fully capable of completely oddball plays to confirm scummates as town (I don't remember what the play was, I just remember they did one).

How I managed to give a topping to only townies that game, I'll never understand.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:51 pm

I think DGB is town, just buried within the pages of our shitposting but still trying to help us lynch scum!

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:01 pm

I'm actually a little bothered by Pine breaking out of his annoying lurking just to attack our claimed Trump at the height of the Hocho wagon.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:04 pm

I believe in a world where it's possible both Fedora and Pine could be scum together. And if Hocho is scum, then it could be indicative of both his and Desp's alignment.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:05 pm

It's also the first time I feel like he chose to do anything game related at all other than talking about his claim, so I wonder what instigated it.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:05 pm

In post 3895, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3878, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3877, Nachomamma8 wrote:But yeah, I can see Wraith being scum more than I can before which means that the only thing we've accomplished is making our reads murkier!
\o/
I hate you.
If the scumteam have a loud modifying role, Pine could be lying about his role and trying to skate to the end game on an ascetic supersaint claim.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:08 pm

Nacho, it's not something I want to commit to unless he or Fedora flips scum. I just want you to know that it's something that concerns me.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:11 pm

I don't think Desp is scum.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:27 pm

Yeah, I'm around. But I'm jumping between my catchup and here.

Hiplop lurked hardcore in Graveyard Shift mafia and hid behind his neighborhood with Reck. His town play is uninspiring and sets himself up as an easy mislynch. Hiplop is more of a compromise lynch at best for me right now.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:29 pm

Hiplop actually looks way different than I remember him. I just remember the discussion I had with Reck about his neighborhood.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:44 pm

In post 4269, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:You know what actually really reads weirdly to me.

How Titus was kinda throwing shade on her hydra partner in multiple posts. Something like "yeah I told Alisae not to crumb but he did it against my will" and stuff along those lines.

Which read extremely fake to me.

Interestingly enough, Titus crumbed first. Not sure what to make of it considering Titus told me it wasn't her style.

Also, Watcher shouldn't be on Desp. If Desp dies tonight, we can just insta-lynch Hocho.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:47 pm

No one should watch the doc.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:49 pm

You mean we should leave a clear avenue to our claimed Cop? Sure sure.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:01 pm

Yeah, but we're probably not lynching him today, and Desp's death just makes it easier for us tomorrow?

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:07 pm

I just like to blatantly mistype your name.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:43 pm

{Xyzzy, Fedora, Albert, Grey, Hocho, Pine}?

It kinda feels okay for a 6 person scumteam, I'm just not fond of it.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:44 pm

Kise says Wraith is more than likely town. Hiplop still doesn't ring as scum for me.