Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[Cephrir]

I'm not going to let my hydra not being activated prevent me from making the joke I want to make.

When will town lose this game?

[Cephrir]

These are supposed to be ffery posts? Oof.

[Cephrir]

I liked 64 but not 58 or 66.

[Cephrir]

I'm probably very stupidly stuck on the "last game wasn't enough of a challenge for you" bit. It's not like I did any significant work last game at all (got hard carried by Tammy, which is probably why town won), and the implication that she's doing this to make the game harder is... weird? I find their explanations for their opening to be weird as well - they've implied that they're doing this intentionally (we both like opening this way) and accidentally (I'm "mostly" here for you, at a dive bar). I'm currently pushing myself to table it, but it's something I'd like you/Tammy specifically to keep an eye on because I don't think this looks like town-morph so far at all.

I didn't take the part about making the game harder literally. It seemed like a coy remark. I should add that what I didn't like about 58 was that it didn't address you. It's like if you were having a debate and didn't like what your opponent said so you look at the crowd for support.

Don't worry, I believe my ability to remain paranoid about ffery longer than most is well documented.

[Cephrir]

yes hello you're stuck with me now

i'm still as useless as ever

[Cephrir]

mod please replace me into the wwf slot btw

i want to think the OT replace out is important, but it's possible they could've decided to leave as scum too just because of the bad dynamic it was causing

[Cephrir]

i thought about dropping out as well but i'll give it a shot i don't care about or believe in much right now though

[Cephrir]

best guesses for scum are wis imp and val, they're very much guesses

[Cephrir]

will you mind if i deathtunnel you after valhalla flips scum?
It looks like youre trying to get pressure on dreal to counterwagon valhalla

why would anyone do that when you already have a wagon on you

[Cephrir]

if bins voted you right now i don't think i'd blink an eye

but to be fair, i'm not paying much attention

pedit: @wis

[Cephrir]

VOTE: valhalla

[Cephrir]

VOTE: valhalla

Stop, stop, my ego can only get so big.

At this rate my head won't fit through the door!

But for srs, what type of ceph-sheep is this?

i've been grumbling about them for a couple pages and just decided i didn't feel like voting wis anymore.

[Cephrir]

deadline wagon compositions are literally random

[Cephrir]

especially when you dont know any of the alternatives are scum

[Cephrir]

cephrir trying to totally disuade/discourage/devalue any wagon analysis pings me really fucking hard though

I have to do this a lot. If you'd like a collection of quotes from me arguing this stance as both alignments I can provide that because it happens in nearly every game I play

[Cephrir]

What you are doing is making an essentially arbitrary as far as I can tell distinction that the scum can't be all off the wagon. No reason I can see has been provided why this is necessary. As I've said if you have a problem with any of the particular votes onto the wagon then by all means go ahead and tell me that but especially with a deadline wagon the group of people on it is going to be like half whoever happened to be online at that moment because everyone should be voting the biggest wagon at some point

[Cephrir]

I really want to blame the hogs slot for the gamestate and push a lynch there

there is no need for tammy and nacho to be able to sort each other on D1 every single fucking game they're in together, but tammy just couldn't let it go and caused a huuuge distraction on D1 rather than just letting content build and her read grow naturally "OMG I MUST FIGURE IT OUT NOWWWW" - I said it multiple times D1, put it on the backburner or it is going to be dramatic and a distraction

D1 in a 13p shouldn't go past 50 pages

I don't think it's a surprise to anyone who's experienced them in the same game before.

[Cephrir]

That said knock yourself out there's no way I'm getting lynched until morph has been night killed as much as I'd love to be absolved of this bad game through no fault of my own

[Cephrir]

i also think all wagon "analysis" (guessing) is bad but it's extra bad in this case

[Cephrir]

same

[Cephrir]

i think people are townreading them for replacing out somewhat

and no i don't think there's any way to determine anything at all from realeo's posting

[Cephrir]

"there could be no scum on it" - well no shit, anything is possible, what I'm looking for is what people think is likely...cephrir, you really think it is MOST LIKELY that no scum were on the wagon? I think it is MOST likely that at least 1 scum was on the wagon, I think it also pretty damn likely that 2 were on it

i think you are exactly as likely to find scum in that group of 6 people as you are in any other random group of 6 players in this game

[Cephrir]

instead of answering that question, i choose to answer this equally useful question

1. Chiaotzu
2. Bins
3. morph the cat
4. VA-11 Hall-A
5. kraska

out of this random group of 5 players, the most likely to be scum in my view are vallhalla and kraska=chiaotzu in that order

[Cephrir]

wow that was really helpful analysis cephrir!

boy this is going to be a great snark game at least i can have fun that way

[Cephrir]

what town says this about the leading wagon while they also move their vote off of the leading wagon. what reason does Wisdom have to think VaHalla and Bins are buddies. he's just encouraging the mislynch while being off of it

imo hes just saying he suspects both of them in more words

[Cephrir]

scum like no lynches. they are great for them.

[Cephrir]

quit pussyfooting around dreal just vote my obvtown ass already you know you want to theres no need to pretend

[Cephrir]

scum like no lynches. they are great for them.

i argue that a mislynch on someone who was not even super scummy would be better

eh

more often than not that person is going to remain a mislynch candidate if lynching them is possible d1

[Cephrir]

I'm mostly looking at imp, GL, hogs and/or morph

Speaking about hogs, me think hogs' vote is not suspicious on that VCA.

oh frabjous day

callooh cafuckinglay

[Cephrir]

cephrir, let's try 1 step at a time

1.) do you think it is more likely that the nos wagon has scum on it or no scum on it?

wow, ceph, you just keep pinging me

no shit scum like no lynches, they also like mislynches even more, especially if they can come back the next day and go "that wagon analysis is useless it was just a deadline wagon" - wtf kind of comment is that?

in a group of 5 people the chances of there being at least one scum is high because math. i never said otherwise.

god you're bad at this game

it's ok a lot of people mistakenly believe in this total non-thing despite seeing it not work over and over

[Cephrir]

quit pussyfooting around dreal just vote my obvtown ass already you know you want to theres no need to pretend

this is a scumpost

this is not someone who is town who is trying to work with another player

they just want the issue dropped and to move on

i'm not trying to work with you and have no particular beliefs about your alignment. i'm annoyed with you and i'm being an asshole about it because i hate this game

[Cephrir]

oh shit i got caught trying to deflect attention away from my scumbuddies who all just had to be on the nos wagon for it to go through with my devious strategy of calling as much attention to myself as possible

[Cephrir]

ceph, when the nos wagon was forming (and you were supposedly thinking nos was most likely scum out of 12 other players), did you get any thoughts/feelings of "oh, that is a scumbuddy busing!" when you saw any of the other votes go onto the nos wagon?

not especially

[Cephrir]

look heres a read list if you want to read into it as my opinions on the nos wagon go for it but as im making this i dont even know who was on it

{}
{bins realeo}
{kraska morph gl > chia wis}
{imp dreal > vall}
{}

[Cephrir]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Cephrir]

Cephrir is reading bins pretty strongly town

[Cephrir]

@gl

a) why does any team, other than her obviously being town?
b) not every scum player does things intentionally to further an angle. i usually don't, i just do whatever feels town

[Cephrir]

him* shhhh

[Cephrir]

Looking at Cephrir's sig reminded me of this terrible joke I made in the reading thread that no one acknowledged (presumably because it was that terrible)

[Cephrir]

We're vt - the song is live and learn

hangin' on the eeeeedge of tomorrow~

[Cephrir]

yeah i needed to post that

[Cephrir]

Jun Senoue live and learn

isnt that song by crush 40?

[Cephrir]

i have no idea how to read dunn tonally but hes fooled me before as scum by being hyper eager and into the game and trying to work it out

didnt really read it as emotionless
i mean emotionless compared to me but dunn doesnt strike me as a "get the fuckkkkj offff im townndjcksi" player

The thing that I thought was strange was that he didn't go into infodump mode if he's town, to get as much of his thoughts into the game while he could.

Like I said, Zach's reaction looks somewhat better to me.

this doesnt really add up to an unvote fmpov

[Cephrir]

theres no jester

you wont find them at ms in non bastard games run by respected mods

[Cephrir]

theres no jester

you wont find them at ms in non bastard games run by respected mods

and your word is endall beall!

it is, yes

[Cephrir]

im glad you finally figured that out

[Cephrir]

VOTE: wis

couldn't keep it up

[Cephrir]

yep

[Cephrir]

yep

[Cephrir]

it must be hard being such a cassandra

[Cephrir]

i dont care for ego

[Cephrir]

I don't have anything :/

[Cephrir]

Chia might be scum. I forget why he's not.
Bins town.
Morph probtown.
Vall... maybe town? I like them today
Kraska slot maybe town
GL not sure
Realeo probtoen
Implosion probscum
Dream maybe scum

[Cephrir]

VOTE: implosion

[Cephrir]

His posts are really boring and have never made me think he was town

The thing that gives me pause is that I seem to recall mislynching him previously for the same reason

[Cephrir]

His posts are really boring and have never made me think he was town

(That game where I got tracker guilties on like the whole scum team is the place that makes me think this might be a valid strategy)

[Cephrir]

Yes well I was never going to have good reasons for anything in this game I'm pretty disinterested

[Cephrir]

Yes well I was never going to have good reasons for anything in this game I'm pretty disinterested

Any reason Why?
Thoughts on Morph sleeping You?

The day 1 drama didn't help but I'm also just not in a mafia headspace lately and knew all along I probably wasn't going to be

Seems fine. It's not a read I'm shocked to see from them nor is collaborating with me out of character given a strong townread.

They could totally be scum though I'll probably never fully trust them

[Cephrir]

Chia might be scum. I forget why he's not.

Does this specifically mean that you had explicit reasons and have forgotten them?

Do you have any particular feelings on his posting so far today?

I mean someone had reasons but I don't recall them. It wasn't me.

Nope.

[Cephrir]

if bins were scum i wouldn't be surprised if it was with morph, the latter thinking it's ok to have a massive townread on her because of me having one

[Cephrir]

oh

sorry

i haven't investigated a damn thing i'm afraid

[Cephrir]

if it makes me die any faster i welcome it with open arms

[Cephrir]

huh, if someone killed me either no one is onto the scum in this game (hence alisae as well) or my reads aren't complete shit.

[Cephrir]

if i were scum with morph in this game id be having at least 400% more fun

[Cephrir]

i said at least!

[Cephrir]

well find excitement in being conftown together (unless morph is pulling a sneaky stunt, doubt it) and work together to piece it all to one happy puzzle \o/

i'll never be totally unparanoid about this.

it's them, after all.

[Cephrir]

i would not feel bad at all about lynching chiaotzu.

[Cephrir]

please do enlighten me

[Cephrir]

well find excitement in being conftown together (unless morph is pulling a sneaky stunt, doubt it) and work together to piece it all to one happy puzzle \o/

i'll never be totally unparanoid about this.

it's them, after all.

Ffery doesn't think we've earned this. I think we have. Care to settle the bet?

You have. She hasn't. ^^

[Cephrir]

Would you join Realeo super town block?

Realeo

Yes

/No/Applesauce
Dreaml Yes/No/Applesauce
GuiltyLion Yes/No/Applesauce
Cephrir Yes/No/Applesauce
morph the cat Yes/No/Applesauce

Town blocks are barely a real thing. I don't understand why people spend so much time talking about them

[Cephrir]

It might be. I don't think I've seen you roll scum?

[Cephrir]

It might be. I don't think I've seen you roll scum?

It's a rarity. The only time I remember that town-you played with scum-me was when I was Sangres in NY 167. You were vig. bizarre game and scum conceded on day 3 or something. Not my best scum game, but not terrible.

that game doesn't count.

[Cephrir]

. Going through chronologically, you hit the claim post he questioned. What do you do? skip ahead and try to figure out what's going on? Or post an immediate question?

I post an immediate question :p

[Cephrir]

hes also got like 500 alts for all his survivor characters for some reason

[Cephrir]

vallhalla could you claim more specifically please?

[Cephrir]

imo that whole encryptor mod meta thing puts the kibosh on speculation about alignment based on presence of daytalk

[Cephrir]

(yes i do just really want to believe in something and will wantonly confbias to achieve this)

[Cephrir]

(yes i do just really want to believe in something and will wantonly confbias to achieve this)

Elaborate?

i meant that i wanted to hate on that logic for townreading chiaotzu because i would like him to be scum

[Cephrir]

why's dreal town? open question.

for some reason being in a library is changing my thought tracks.

[Cephrir]

for some reason being in a library is changing my thought tracks.

specifically all of a sudden i really like GL for town. i think just reading a couple of his posts without going into it with a mindset that it was going to be boring was a good thing

[Cephrir]

i can claim, but uh it might not be the best idea \o/

just don't say things like this at all as a general rule pls thank

[Cephrir]

buddyception

[Cephrir]

bins stahp
i dont get why you even felt the need to soft under the severe pressure of 3 votes.

unfortunately vall's case didn't convince me at all and i don't think it's very good :/

[Cephrir]

ill work on my mind reading skills sry

[Cephrir]

i sort of am super lazy and i dont want to defend myself and claiming kind of makes my role 100% useless

but im a weak investigative with 1 inno (this should be obvious lol) and how my role works is pretty ~unique~ but my inno should be able to guess how

I have a hard time believing your role and morph's role can both be town. Unless scum has a shit ton of power to mess with these results.

Town can't have two power roles in 13p? I'd expect three or four even in a normal

[Cephrir]

it's a theme game. i'll start wigging out about power roles when we get mafia goon flips or any actually strong role is claimed.

[Cephrir]

like i dont really get why there's even a slight suggest of "whoa a bulletproof and a protective and a shitty investigative role stop the fuckin presses."

we probably have more than that

[Cephrir]

like i dont really get why there's even a slight suggest of "whoa a bulletproof and a protective and a shitty investigative role stop the fuckin presses."

we probably have more than that

How do you feel about Implosion's recent posts?

he too is failing to sell me on chiaotzu. i feel like i can explain all of this with "this player just doesn't play the way you want him to."

maybe that's always true. idk. a lot of the points being made against chia seem a bit weak and forced.

[Cephrir]

i sort of am super lazy and i dont want to defend myself and claiming kind of makes my role 100% useless

but im a weak investigative with 1 inno (this should be obvious lol) and how my role works is pretty ~unique~ but my inno should be able to guess how

I have a hard time believing your role and morph's role can both be town. Unless scum has a shit ton of power to mess with these results.

Town can't have two power roles in 13p? I'd expect three or four even in a normal

I just have a hard time believing we have a PR providing inno's and another which is basically a doctor providing inno's? Or that's what I got out of it at least. We also have a flipped roleblocker and who knows what else is out there. I'm not really buying all of that.

we have a pr providing one inno but apparently not a second, and doctors essentially do this in the first place they just get a little more clarity about it

[Cephrir]

yeah on further review I'm game to lynch any of implosion/VaHa/GameReplacement and happy to defer to whichever one Ceph/morph/Bins prefer the most. Not voting anyone else unless there's an insanely good case on them

i think im getting here as well save that dreal is on my radar also (speaking of which where is he)

[Cephrir]

im not gung ho on chia town but it bothers me that the cases on him are so bad

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, by your standard, what is a good case?

One that convinces me

[Cephrir]

it's not like it's a lynch I'm going to push, but if it were to happen, I'd be for it

because ya know, I'm SRing the slot - imagine that!!!

godfather's do exist and I don't throw my read out the window simply based on role claims, obviously

anyway, my vote has been cast a while

Lol'd

[Cephrir]

But you claim to be a probability guy and your read requires series of improbable events.

nullingn dreaml.

Holy shit Realeo made a post I agree with

Twilight zone

[Cephrir]

There's no reason for dreal to lie about what he thinks is site meta. That's not a scumtell.

[Cephrir]

eh

VOTE: GR

[Cephrir]

...k

[Cephrir]

i literally can't be scum without morph even if you want me to be a godfather so if you're going to suspect me you had better suspect them

[Cephrir]

correct mafia theory is to not lynch an innocent result because math even when you know for a fact there is a godfather in the game

which is why godfather is a bad role that shouldn't be used outside role madness

[Cephrir]

but hey that's probably what a godfather would say or some shit

[Cephrir]

it is possible for GL to be scum and not intentionally doing what you say he's doing

[Cephrir]

hate that you're probably right

[Cephrir]

^

[Cephrir]

Fine, especially compared to nearly everyone else.

[Cephrir]

Quite.

[Cephrir]

If you have any thoughts about what a GR town or scum flip would mean I'd be interested in hearing them now considering you probably won't be with us tomorrow

[Cephrir]

I have similar problems regarding the interchangeability of chiao/implosion/vall. And it sucks that I feel like I'm basically trying to read the ot slot based on one day of content because realeos posts might as well be him rolling his face on the keyboard for all I get out of them.

[Cephrir]

i think rope will do just fine

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

I'll wait.

[Cephrir]

How's this one

VOTE: gr

[Cephrir]

guys they're not even dead yet and we have bigger problems. today we're lynching the most likely person to be scum whoever you think that is and we can do associatives once we have data

[Cephrir]

ceph, this game is getting good

get involved?

sorta.

right now I want a flip from GR. I think a scum flip will help me a bit.

[Cephrir]

(i also don't really believe in "game solving" for reasons that include both laziness and potential tunnel vision)

[Cephrir]

The hell did that interaction have to do with hammering

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

I guess I have trouble accepting this wagon has a chance of not being on scum when it's been sitting at l-1 or 2 for like 5 days with such a town group voting it and everyone I suspect voting chiaotzu instead.

[Cephrir]

Yeah I don't really see those as town posts either.

[Cephrir]

1.5 days.

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

I suspect all of you.

[Cephrir]

i would say this is probably gg scum, but i think we mostly self-destructed and you watched and laughed?

[Cephrir]

I'm not clearing bins no questions asked anymore

[Cephrir]

He could be but I don't feel good about a single townread right now so I can't trust anyone's arguments

[Cephrir]

I don't see what that has to do with you not buying bins claim.

[Cephrir]

You should have waited for realeo to claim if possible.

[Cephrir]

I don't see what that has to do with you not buying bins claim.

Never mind I get it

I have a guess what bins is going to claim.

[Cephrir]

And I'm a delayed protective watcher who indeed visiting Bins. If my target is visited, my target survives.

I bought Bins claim so I thought "maybe scum would go to kill investigative instead of protective."

It's kinda funny how my protective role matches murderous role.

:/

[Cephrir]

yeah i was hoping to draw a nk


im a 1shot reflexive doc with a night 1 inno on ceph (sry bud gonna out that you can target ppl)

Well I was way off base but you're right

[Cephrir]

Realeo I'm guessing you didn't see anyone else?

[Cephrir]

Man if only I'd known just how craptacular my n1 action was.

[Cephrir]

No

[Cephrir]

I'm going last

[Cephrir]

There's a serious logic gap in what Chiatzu is claiming right now - he allegadly tried to KILL realeo - his claimed role is tracker, realeo is claiming delayed WATCHER - the same person he just tried to shoot - yet he's also not believing bins claim?

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

I don't get it

[Cephrir]

How is that a logic gap

[Cephrir]

that's not helpful

[Cephrir]

i am not getting from point a to point b please explain it to me like i'm five

[Cephrir]

The "logic gap" is his supposed actions vs his claimed stances they dont make sense

you're still not explaining like i'm five.

[Cephrir]

As for the logic Dunn was saying, Chiao targeting to "shoot" Realeo over Bins is sus af if he didnt buy her claim

i mean

he's allowed to have two suspects, is he not?

[Cephrir]

I'm a non consecutive joat

Protected bins n1 killed dreal n3 still have a track

[Cephrir]

Wait. Why would town have 2 roles that is capable of tracking and murdering? That is redundant role. That violates the rule of setup design unless it's an open game.

I think 1 of {Cephrir, Chiao} is scum..

..if only I can deduce who is scum. Hmmmm. This is tough.

....................................................................................

[Cephrir]

I though Chia and realeo were both one shot claims.

Hm. I guess they're not.

I am not the type of person who thinks a fame can't have two trackers, but I don't think we have a full tracker and a full watcher in this game.

[Cephrir]

Vall do you think implosion is town

[Cephrir]

This doesn't make any sense. We're your most surefire bet for scum yet you think there's scum for sure in Chiao/Realeo, there's a crazy amount of power roles claimed, and

you have Realeo right under the cop check

why are you accepting Bins' cop claim as truth? I have Ceph as confirmed town because of the doc clear from morph, not because of Bins. This might be a slip that Bins is town

Oh pls.

[Cephrir]

play SK under the radar by not killing until late in the game in case

their

there are trackers/watchers afoot.

EBWOP because this kind of thing drives me crazy.

also another reason why it wasn't dumb is because Ceph was the only person left to claim and no one had claimed the kill. Like how was SK

not

crossing your mind at that point? And was it dumb when Realeo suggested the same thing?

Wait. Serial Killer?

I'm chalking it up to a lack of experience but there was never going to be an sk.

[Cephrir]

GL and vall are the people I probably want to vote the least right now. I'm looking at Chia realeo and implosion.

[Cephrir]

If imp and Chia are both town then we're never winning this game ever so I might as well assume otherwise

[Cephrir]

I imagine Chia has a fakeclaiming if he's scum tho

Part of me wants to turbo lynch realeo for not watching morph

[Cephrir]

And now I suppose we wait

[Cephrir]

I'm gonna be real mad when scumplosion wins after being obv scum all game.

[Cephrir]

I wanna vote chiao because his play deserves it but I can't get the specter of "the scum team of vall/implosion/x wins" out of my head.

[Cephrir]

It feels an awful lot like he's the mislynch scum wanted yesterday.

[Cephrir]

i hate responsibility.

[Cephrir]

can't i just vote implosion?

is there literally anyone who doesn't think that slot is scum

[Cephrir]

finessed by Chiaotzu

right because he's a charming player who's just overflowing with charisma and also i'll totally even be alive tomorrow

[Cephrir]

Why do you find me scummy?

your posts have always existed on another planet from the rest of the game and i don't get much sense that that bothers you. they've always been treatises full of words that don't really say much of anything or if they do then it didn't get through my skull

i also don't think i've even once thought you were town

fuck if i know why i didn't vig you

[Cephrir]

why is everyone sitting on their asses waiting for me to vote

[Cephrir]

other than vall, that's at least 2 townies who apparently have given up??

i've given up too but i'm still posting

[Cephrir]

bins & GL where are you

[Cephrir]

I think the issue of Cephrir is not about unable to imagine that Chiao/Val is town.

It's this



I'm willing to lynch GL simply to avoid Cephrir-GL lylo.

that's optimistic. i doubt we'll get that far.

[Cephrir]

there's no quick lynch coming out

Sure, but a scum team here could easily camp and not go for it because god knows getting caught like that is the only way they could possibly lose.

Still, even if we want to assume one of you two is scum, that's the exact same odds we have lynching anyone but me.

[Cephrir]

that's optimistic. i doubt we'll get that far.

OK but if you do get that far, what do you think of guiltylion if Chiaotzu flips scum and you are not killed?

I don't like doing work that might not matter. I'll assess it when I get there and since I'll probably be dead instead it will be someone else's problem.

[Cephrir]

Chiaotzu tracked realeo to bins. Either he can track people or realeo is scum. What's the reason for scum to have a tracker in this setup? Just to catch morph?

Why is bins role in this game? Is there any reason scum would have something like a reflexive rolecop? I doubt it.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: chiaotzu

Forget it. If he can't be bothered to try, I can't either.

[Cephrir]

@scum ok job not blowing yourselves up I guess

[Cephrir]

VOTE: chiaotzu

Forget it. If he can't be bothered to try, I can't either.

Or more accurately, I don't see much town motivation in plopping g that vote down saying let's 1vq and continuing to do nothing. To me thats the action of someone who's planning on getting lynched.

[Cephrir]

If we don't lose lynch implosion tomorrow

[Cephrir]

There's no combination of people I'd be surprised to see come in and hammer.

[Cephrir]

Eh, whatev I guess.

I wash my hands of the whole thing

[Cephrir]

This is my surprised face.

[Cephrir]

That ninja feels extremely unnecessary.

[Cephrir]

I was having a hard time reading anyone in the blob of people other than GL so I isod all of you and you and implosion were the only ones I could find no reasons not to vig

I had to vig someone because of math though I could have tried saving it for night 4

[Cephrir]

It's a bit annoying that our power was largely in two track shots and one watch shot that were all secretly 100% useless.