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One time chamber and I got paired at random.

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is this the murlock shaman deck that I lost to 4 times last night or something else?

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His list is missing some very necessary things like mad scientist.

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My suggestion was basically that I think Rag is a tech card against a meta that doesnt exist right now and I think drake is very out of place. I would love some more defensive minions in those slots. Belcher would be ideal for the drake slot, but belcher is also naxx. I would think two chow would be nice in the list instead of those cards normally, except for freeze mage that really runs counter to your win condition. Maybe something like deathlord?

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so is deathlord.........

fuck.

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List of playable naxx cards.
Haunted Creeper
Nerubian Egg
Loatheb
Unstable Ghoul
Sludge Belcher
Webspinner
Deathlord
Voidcallerg
Mad Scientist
Death's Bite
Zombie Chow
Dark Cultist
Kel'Thuzad
Shade of Naxxramas
Avenge

Naxx OP.

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I'm thestatusquo#1904 by the way.

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Is Kel'Thuzad actually played anywhere anymore?

It's fringe playable.

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No, its not.

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xixo also played feugen/skalaag in druid at Blizzcon iirc.

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I literally never lose to tempo mage with druid.

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Apirant has been a big game changer in that matchup. Historically the reason that its been so poor for druid is because mirror entity was so hard to deal with, but aspirant gives you an absurd card to proc entity, allowing you to then kill their copy and stone rain them. Its hard for them to recover from that.

mage can still win with their better tempo draws, but my experience suggests that the matchup is pretty strongly druid favored. Shrug.

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I've only ever played one in my shaman builds. drawing a second is pretty bad since you wont be able to play it for like 3 turns.

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its higher though, the odds of drawing muster in your opening hand are
6.6667% + 6.8966% + 7.1429% =20%

Then on the mulligan its
7.4074% + 7.6923% + 8%
total probability to see it by turn 1: 43.78

Turn one draw adds 7.40, turn two draw adds 7.69, turn three draw adds 8%, meaning they have about 67% chance to draw it by turn three if they hard mulligan for it.

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Right, this is assuming a hard mulligan. But I suspect that confirmation bias is what causes you to think they get it more often then they should. The reality is just that they'll see it a high percentage of the time.

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Its a pretty hard deck to play well. It's obviously a lot less strong than it was pre-nerf, and it has different matchups than it once did.

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I played a lot of patron pre-warsong nerf. It was super hard to play. I haven't played this new iteration (because I don't have gromm and I don't plan on crafting him)

I started playing it at rank 2 with 3 days left in the season. Lost my first 15 games. Lost roughly 75% of my matches til the end of the season. Ended the season at like rank 12 or something absurdly low like that.

But I kept playing it and eventually got my win rate with it up to like 60.

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Wait, weird decisions are unfun? That's like my favorite part of the game. Thats why oil rogue is like my favorite deck to play.

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I don't play thalanos or edwin.

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If you have druid it fits nicely into that deck.

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Dr. 7 is still the worst card ever.

At least Muster for Bullshit sucks vs Mage.

disagree.

Mysterious challenger is way more annoying to deal with most of the time from pali.

Also, reno is just the most frustrating card to play against ever.

boom doesnt even come close.

In other news I built freezemage. Been winning a lot with it. Not that many warriors.

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Since when was control not viable? Two of the top decks in the pre-reno meta were Control Warrior and handlock. Control was already quite strong.

It doesn't mean "aggro has to kill you in 5 turns" it actually just makes aggro play in a non-aggro style. In a meta with reno pushing for damage is ALWAYS incorrect. It forces aggro decks to play a board control game they're not suited for because they have a better chance of winning that then winning a game where you sell out for damage just to see your opp gain 26 on turn 6.

There's a reason hunter is pretty much stone unplayable right now.

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Like reno fundamentally changes the game because its impossible to play around. Aggressive decks are not suited to trading because their minions are slanted towards maximizing damage and not sticking around very long. Have you ever tried to play board control with leper gnomes and huffers? It doesn't work. At the same time, expecting a deck to kill by turn 5 is a ridiculous burden in this game. If a deck were winning on turn 5 consistently there would be calls to nerf it coming from everyone. The fastest Facehunter deck I've ever played killed on turn 5 MAYBE 15% of the time.

Because of this, Reno just straight nerfs like 40% of the format. It is deeply unhealthy for the game.

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There's a reason hunter is pretty much stone unplayable right now.

And what a wonderful world it is.

I also prefer to play different decks, but that doesn't mean a meta where aggro is just completely unplayable is healthy.

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It means ladder has decks that all look the same. That's not a good thing.

Also, if you werent making interesting decisions before then you were playing boring decks.

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I have to say, in my freezemage matches finley grabbing a warrior power has been super annoying.

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Yep.

This is exactly what happened to me. I played pyroblast and opp went finley into armor up into justicar into tank up GGs.

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I don't like deathlord in this deck since you're not doing anything to abuse it.

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How has flare been for you? I feel like I'm seeing way less of both hunter and secret paladin than I used to, as well as freeze mage never being a huge percentage of the field. How frequently is that card just 2 mana: draw a card?

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I'm also lukewarm on explosive trap in this build. Since you're not overly aggressive, the effect isn't that great for you.

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I don't know, I've been seeing almost none of it. Like maybe once every 15-20 matches.

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Shaman, druid (midrange) and reno decks(warlock being the most common) almost exclusively. I would say those archetypes make up roughly 50% of the meta I'm seeing. The rest is in order of frequency: midrange(reno) pali, Rogue, mech/tempo mage, hunter and secret pali.

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This is just 100% unacceptable.

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What the fuck is wrong with you people.

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does anyone have a good reno freeze mage list?

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I agree. You see so many cards. IMO 2 scientist 2 blocks 2 barrier are mandatory.

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The ones I'm seeing are basically just not going singleton at all.

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does it? Like what?

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I only run 1 Healbot in my regular list.

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I've had elise cast against me a lot in the last week or so and I've only seen the opp get the golden monkey once, and they lost the next turn. It just seems way too hard to set up. Maybe in a control warrior shell it would be better, I don't know, but people seem to be trying to shoehorn it into all sorts of decks right now and it hasn't seemed very good to me.

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After running reno freeze all of last night I've decided that I like it less than traditional freeze mage. It just seems less consistent and you have to run stinkers like cone of cold which has been consistently unimpressive. The main problem though seems to be that you have to cut cards like the second acolyte of pain which makes the deck more inconsistent and gives it less velocity at drawing to the relevant answers. Not being able to play reno when I needed to only came up once, but the issues like cone of cold just being so much worse than blizzard no 2 and card drawing being worse came up basically every game.

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The list I posted above only has 4 non-answer/non-card draw cards.

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and that's not counting alex or pyroblast as answers, though they can be if you're desperate.

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Is this computer or phone, glork?

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If its on the computer my guess woulD be that you neeD to upDate your graphics carD Drivers.

In the meanwhile, try loaDing up battle.net, clicking on the gear that says game settings:


then reset your user options.

If this is on the phone I've got nothing.

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If its on the computer my guess woulD be that you neeD to upDate your graphics carD Drivers.

In the meanwhile, try loaDing up battle.net, clicking on the gear that says game settings:

Whats with your D?

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If you plan on playing hearthstone at all competitively you need to craft boom. Just get it over with.

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Not really. Playing an all aggro lineup is really really bad in conquest format.

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conquest?

do you not play tournaments?

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it also makes you weak to lineups designed to counter aggro, which are very common.

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Conquest is the format that was used the past year for tournaments.

Each player brings three decks and the first person to get a win with each of their decks wins the match. It's not native to the client or anything, its just the way hearthstone tournaments do matches.

The other one used is called "last hero standing" which goes until someone defeats all of their opponents decks. I like it better but its less used.

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A lot of the issue with like literally all of these formats (and especially the last one bro describes) is that they are far more testing of "can I accurately predict what my opp will bring" than they are of hearthstone playskill.

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yeah. Control warrior vs. freezemage is sure a skill game.

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I think it's 95-5 or so. Still bad enough that I just scoop out of it every time.

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Panzer why in the fuck would you play Sprint in a mech deck?

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Wrath of God is a God tier card. You don't play it in aggro.

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Playing a lot of aggro shaman.

holy crap is this deck explosive.

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it has a little more play than that.

There is an absurd amount of reach not even counting rockbiter plus doomhammer.

If you get them down to like 10 or so its likely you'll rip what you need.

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Also, is there interest in a MS hearthstone tournament? Cuz that would be sweet. I'm totally willing to set that up.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=64699

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In case it wasn't clear, link last post was the tournament sign up thread.

We've got 4, hoping for 16.

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Yeah. I didn't think about that. Gross.

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Congrats!

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Please post in the thread in the wsogmm

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That's a hell of a pack.


Grind from 12 to 5 today. In striking distance of legend if I hustle.

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The only one of those I would dismiss out of hand is Baron. It's really only good in one archetype and that archetype requires a whole bunch of other legends to make it work.

My inclination is to go with archmage. It's so important to all the decks it's in.

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Hasn't really been my experience. Today I've seen mostly priest, shaman and token druid.

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I think that reno is an awful card design and is deeply unhealthy for hearthstone. That being said, I also think the meta seems to have moved away from it a little bit. I don't think I got renod even once today in about 30 games.

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I just think it fundamentally changes the face/trade decision tree such that it's almost never correct to go face anymore. Since I thought that tree was one of the more interesting parts of hearthstone it makes me sad.

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At rank 4 I'm seeing a pretty similar meta except that aggro shaman is much more frequent than his list implies.

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Tournament is up to 10, 11 if you count the person who tried to sign up in this thread. Gunna give it another week and then run with what we have. If you haven't signed up yet but would like to the thread can be found here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9&start=25

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What kind of person plays in casual?

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I often do. I don't really care about ranking, it means nothing to me. Sometimes I'll go for a push at the end of the month, just to get better rewards, but as far as the rank itself goes, I couldn't care less.

I like rank as a tangible reward for doing well, but my brain is wired that way. I get you, though. My main problem with casual isn't even the rank, its that I feel like I play against generally inferior players playing worse decks, which is just less fun for me.

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I never understood the purpose of testing in casual. Like, I could probably pilot a deck of only basic cards to a 55-60% win rate in casual. I don't understand how that actually tells me anything meaningful about the deck.

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yeah, but you learn to play freeze mage by putting yourself in pressure situations to figure out little things like "when do I play a tempo doomsayer" and "when do I need to frost nova just to bridge to alex instead of as a clear"

Those are questions you can't really answer in casual because they're based around your opponent being competent. If your opponent never punishes you for your mistakes its really hard to find them and correct them.

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I guess. It just feels like you miss far too much to make for valuable testing. Like, every time I've tried testing in casual I've just became supremely frustrated with it.

Also, I don't really understand how ranking is a pressure situation. I actually enjoy plotting how my win rate changes across ranks as I become more familiar with the deck.

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HS doesn't even have close to the most variance in competitive games.

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Poker is one that comes to mind.

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Like, on a long time scale hearthstone pros and poker pros both do wildly better than average players. There's a reason that the same players consistantly do well in top tournaments. I don't know if you've ever watched someone like Sjow ladder, but he's just so much better than even a "good" hearthstone player, to the point where it takes him maybe a week or two to grind to legend each month. Poker likely has a much higher level of variance, because the swings can be much longer. You need a bankroll of approximately 20k to bring your chances of busting out to less that 5% if you're playing 200 max buy in games. I would be shocked if hearthstone were ever close to that.

Anyone who thinks that poker has less variance over say a hand or a set of hands then (or whatever is equivalent to a match) than a hearthstone match you're crazy. In terms of a best of 3, I would say you're way more likely to win a bo3 match because of skill than you are to be profitable in any given hour long session of poker.

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Just wanted to mention for anyone not in the tournament that the match scheduling is happening in threads in the frogstar world B subforum of whole sort of general mish mash, so if you want to watch some tournament matches for fun its super easy to see when they'll be!

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That deck was absurd. It was literally like 29 legends and a tree of life. Every single thing that dude played me and sudo were like WHAT

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Turn one: coin, Nat pagle. W-w-what are you doing?

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Next hs tournament I'm playing that deck.

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My average has dropped down to around 6, so I'm not the best to talk here but I think top tier is mage, rogue, paladin.

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shaman is boom or bust.

Your shaman deck is either a 0 win or a 10 win deck. No in between.

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The removal mage gets access to is also just absurd.

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There was a while where it was a pretty strong tech choice in constructed. Isn't really right now.

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Actually, there was a while when secrets was playing squire minibot AND charge knight/annoyotron.

Blood knight was rock solid in that meta.

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Same for me with shaman and freeze mage. Like my win rate with freeze is actually probably better, but I get one game every 20 minutes as opposed to 3.

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The only cards from league that I'm using in my decks are tunnel trogg, sir finley and reno jackson. The first two are both in shaman aggro (and I wouldn't play it without them) and the latter is in freeze mage, and I'm constantly on the verge of cutting it to go back to normal freezemage.

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They can nerf reno and challenger first plox.

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I don't think building around reno is that much of a cost.

The power curve of hearthstone is relatively flat.

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Also the issue isn't that it's op, but that out fundamentally changes the most intrinsic and interesting hs game decision, which is face vs trade. It makes face almost always incorrect, which in turn means decks built around aggression are bad.

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In HS you can spend either time or money.

I've put in about 5 months of grinding and 50$ and have what I would say is a fully competitive collection with all the expansions and can build most competitive decks that I want to, realistically I was already competitive without spending the 50 bucks but I got lazy and wanted a whole bunch of legends and didn't feel like grinding the dust to get them, so I just bought a 50 pack of packs.

You can adjust those numbers. If you wanted to get all the expansions with cash and then like 50 packs that would get you to a point where you would be pretty competitive on ladder right away. That would run you probably about 125$ or so. Or you could do the combined grind/cash thing like I did to save money, or just grind it. If you just grinded it you probably would spend about a month or so until you had a deck that was pretty competitive (though not top tier) It's actually not hard to get up to one pretty good deck. It's when you want to have a lot of different decks that it gets pretty expensive, dust and gold wise.

Of course, this assumes you want to play constructed. If you only really care about arena, you don't really have to spend any money on cards, just complete your daily quests for in game gold and you should be able to get 2/3 arena runs per week. If that's all you want then the game really would be free, and you can get good at arena and go infinite (if your runs are more than 7 wins you get a higher prize than the 150 gold it costs to enter them)

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For anyone interested in spectating any of the MS tournament matches, there are three going on tonight.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7561779

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Heh. Disguised Toast.

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Hobgoblin priest???

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Post list plox.

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can I get a list of your murlock shaman?

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I will ask you again for the deck list llamarble!

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listen here you little jeff.

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fucking lol

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its called variance.

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best couples spat ever.

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Innervate isn't even close to too good.

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I was observing you so I know which line you took and how it worked out, but I definitely would have taken bros line too.

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noice.

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re:last one, not a chance in hell.

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RIP druid.

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20097355/

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the blade flurry change makes the card unplayable.

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http://www.drunkdice.com/2016/05/23/hearthstone/

me reck and ut talk about hearthstone.

might be a little too low level to appeal to anyone serious enough about the game to post here, but its a good episode.

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implosion-shea match going down nowish.

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lol precon smorc life gogogo

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https://vimeo.com/170421776

me casting cow vs the bulge.

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oooh 2500 dust!

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Honestly if you win you don't have problems crafting things.

I haven't spent any money on HS in years and I have no problem crafting literally any legend I need. I'm sorry you're just bad?

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I don't play nearly that much.

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This has basically been my experience, though.

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You know you can disenchant cards, right? I build decks by disenchanting everything I don't think is constructed playable. It takes a bunch of time but 6k dust is not a lot of dust given the collection of someone who has been playing for a while...

Also, these nerfs are bizarre to me. I understand the need to nerf druid, but I don't understand why we would need to nerf warrior and paladin at the same time.

The hex nerf is just kind of weird to me. I don't think that card has been OP for quite some time. It's stong, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "man, hex is just too good."

Is it just me or does priest just become OP?

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Like we're really complaining about having to get epics? Come on.

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????

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Im just saying your picture made no sense.

pls try to keep up.

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I mean sort of. A random collection of nonsense is still a random collection of nonsense, regardless of what the pictures are.

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Yeah I agree that the problem with the druid deck is not innervate but the fact that they can ramp using so many different cards all the way up the curve.

Back in the day playing druid ramp the games where you didn't draw wild growth were bad. Now there ARE no games where you don't draw wild growth.

Also, plus, the deck will still be tier 1 imo.

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I do think priest becomes the best deck though.

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Out of curiosity, I'd be interested in a link to the stats you're looking at.

I'm sure their data is proprietary and more comprehensive than anything that's public. They have access to the logs to all games, so I would imagine they have some sort of algorithm that tracks all cards played and the outcome of the game (or some metrics more sophisticated than that) and then creates a list of cards that is most played in won games or cards that have the most "impact" in won games, whatever they use to calculate something like that.

I think that analysis is likely to be a little wonky with this sort of deck, since on high ladder (5-legend) you're typically only playing long grindy games right now. I would say the games where I draw over 95% of my deck are about 80%, which means that most cards will get played most games.

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Do you do anything useful or?

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You are familiar with that language construction, please don't pretend otherwise. It just makes you look stupid.

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I just don't think I've ever seen you actually contribute to a discussion on this discussion forum thats all.

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I cut down to one drake in my list. It's just not very good against the decks I play most frequently at the top of the ladder. But you need at least one for the few times you get paired against pirates or aggro druid where one drake can win the game on the spot.

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I disagree with some of the details of what you just said, but I definitely agree with the sentiment. I don't see these changes fixing the underlying problem.

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I like playing against hunter.

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Up to rank 4, which is funny because I haven't been playing that much.

Jade druid still stupid. I'm 27-3 in my last 30 games. :/

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Jade Druid. I think its the best deck by a wiiiiiiide margin.

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I just lost to quest rogue so like...things r going p good. How r u?

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It depends on your draws. In my experience it either goes one of two ways:

1 player gets a very quick jade draw and is able to quickly tempo the other person out, or both players ramp and play jades at about the same rate and then it becomes a game of who can get to the end game the fastest, and by the end game I mean fandral and/or auctioneer + jade idol at the end of the game. If you get there first you can trade off everything and snowball a massive jade advantage and win. The first who gets there usually wins.

The first way is the quickest victory but also is very dependent on drawing exactly the right cards. You have to have like a turn 3 aya to win that way.

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There is literal no way that you lost those games simply because of that one thing except for the last one. The game is like 10+ turns long with that deck.

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The deck sees so many spells that do that though? It has not been my experience that I lose the game from 1 bad hit.

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Also if you log in today, you get 100 gold for "talk like a pirate day"

So uhhhh do that.

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Sure, my list is a little strange.

2 innervate
1 earthen scales
2 jade idol
2 wild growth
2 wrath
2 jade blossom
1 Fandral
1 jade spirit
2 mire keeper
2 swipe
2 nourish
1 starfall
1 aya
2 jade behemoth
2 spreading plague
1 bonemare
1 malfurion the pestilent
1 primordial drake
2 ultimate infestation

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Also panzer is wrong. The deck is still completely busted.

The meta has shifted because everyone thought it would be bad but it actually feasts on all the decks everyone is playing right now.

It underscores my thought that these nerfs were not enough. Spreading Plague is still absurd at 6 mana in the right matchups.

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For a more traditional take on jade druid, I suggest taking a list from here:

http://metastats.net/

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Hit 2 again last night after falling down from there previously. Tonight begins the final push for legend for the season.

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I'm thinking of teching in another card for aggro/the 8/8 dude that I've been seeing a lot. Maybe a naturalize, maybe a feral rage. I'm not sure yet. I've been very happy with the SF tech choice so far.

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I had MCT in for a while. It was pretty terrible. About 1/10 of the time you played it it just won the game, but like 1/2 the time it was completely meaningless.

BGH is just too bad of a card to play imo.

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congrats llamarble!

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What list are you working with?

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Variance?

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I think magic has a lot more variance than hs.

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That doesn't matter. In magic the resource system is based on variance. That tops anything HS can do with individual cards.

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Literally the entire resource system of magic is variance.

HS has variance in card draws (same as magic, but with a smaller deck which is lower variance.) and individual cards.

But that pales in comparison to the fact that the very thing that determines whether you get to play the game (mana, lands) is distributed by variance in magic but not in HS.

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Its fine to disagree. In terms of variance though, I'll take knowing I get to make exactly one land drop every turn over not knowing if the amount of mana I draw will determine if I can win or not.

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Thats the most variance deck in legacy.

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its because the key to winning drafts is usually just straight up aggression.

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I went 6-3 with my first one which was pretty mediocre as a deck power level wise and I'm 2-0 rn with the second.

People just don't go face nearly as much as they should. If everyone is trying to play a value game and you just smorc em you'll win a lot.

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I've been crushing warlock hero power all day.

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Rogue/Warrior 0 wins.

I can't get over 2.

I feel your pain.

I am pretty terrible at drafting decks, and jump up and down whenever I can get past 3.

So my advice in this (and pretty much every arena) is go for aggression. You get a lot of free wins off of going thing thing and opp not having a two drop. And then you tap your hunter hero power until they die.

My average in the last 3 weeks is 5.5 wins per run, so I'm not amazing, but definitely if you think two cards are roughly similar in power level use "take the cheaper one" as a tie breaker.

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Do people actually use tier lists? I never have.

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you're 4-0 call scoreboard and strut.

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http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/card ... -roasting/

What the FUCK.

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Oh thank God

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I think hunter is the best arena class by a lot.

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Is that a yes or a why

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Because I think that the best way to win arena games right now is with aggression. The traditional take on hunter is that its hero power is powerful but is not the best in arena because it doesn't interact with the board, and you need to be early to the board and control it to win with hunter. I think those are the things I want to be doing anyway the way arena currently is right now, which really allows me to leverage the hunter hero power.

Hunter has the best removal the best low cost-stat minions and the most aggressive hero power.

It shows in my results. I average almost 2 more wins with hunter than any other class.

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Because I think that the best way to win arena games right now is with aggression. The traditional take on hunter is that its hero power is powerful but is not the best in arena because it doesn't interact with the board, and you need to be early to the board and control it to win with hunter. I think those are the things I want to be doing anyway the way arena currently is right now, which really allows me to leverage the hunter hero power.

Hunter has the best removal the best low cost-stat minions and the most aggressive hero power.

It shows in my results. I average almost 2 more wins with hunter than any other class.

I have noticed this in the arena and in the tavern. hunter, while it doesn't have the power cards necessarily you can still load it up with some key 5 cost cards along with early cost cards controlling.

@ deathnote

I do still feel at the mercy of rng lol, with every other class except for shaman rn. some1 gave me a shaman list that rocketed my play into a new ranking tier (probably considered low with the players here, I am nowhere as good as other players lol) but it was progress considering how long I have been stuck at the same rank.

I still need to work on my drafts for the arena. I am just not that great. I HAVE improved since I started opting for tempo instead of endgame control. it probs shld be obvs but I had some early success with it and just sort oof stuck with it I guess.

shaman is by far my fave class rn.

aaaaaand after only recently acquiring patches I think I way underestimated its value cos it is hard to wrap my head around how an early charge can effext the game so much but apparently it does.

excited about the xpansion but won't be able to invest as much as I have in the prvs 1s.

I almost never want more than 4-5 cards in my arena decks that cost more than 4, and I want those cards to be like savannah highmane and call of the wild.

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I suspect you're not prioritizing the right cards rather than getting unlucky.

For instance, you should definitely take the 1/1s for 0 over a clunky 5 or 6 drop.

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I know that as jade druid I feel like the only time I ever lose to evolve shaman is if they have a well timed bloodlust.

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What in the actual fuck are you people talking about...

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I'm up to 4 on ladder right now with big priest and I keep getting crushed what do to hit those last 4 ranks

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I'm up to 4 on ladder right now with big priest and I keep getting crushed what do to hit those last 4 ranks

Corridor creeper?

ugh.

I probably will have to craft that card anyway I guess.

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I'm up to 4 on ladder right now with big priest and I keep getting crushed what do to hit those last 4 ranks

Play Cubelock

I dont really want to craft those cards. I don't think that deck is very good against anything but dedicated aggro metas.

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You can absolutely not tech in creature cards in big priest.

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Got it.

Also I don't really think so. That deck shits so hard on aggro, and its not just because of taunts.

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Like I've been running 2 spell breaker in my pirate warrior for a long time, and it doesn't make the matchup close.

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Druid > Highlander
face hunter > highlander
Dragon priest > highlander

Wow like...How is it possible for one person to hold so many different wrong opinions?

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What rank are you?

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Highlander priest is literally the best deck in standard right now...

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Ok but, you're looking at a noisy data snapshot thats constantly shifting, even the tier rankings of the site you're citing have highlander priest as a better deck than the ones youre talking about.

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Like you said druid. I assume you meant aggro druid, because thats the only druid deck thats even close to top tier right now.

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those are basically the same deck except control lock doesn't run the good cards?

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what rank?

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ok.

i'm not trying to be condescending, just wanted context.

like I'm pretty sure I could rock a win rate of 60% with mono basics at 15 this late in the season. Probably 10 as well tbh.

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ok.

i'm not trying to be condescending, just wanted context.

like I'm pretty sure I could rock a win rate of 60% with mono basics at 15 this late in the season. Probably 10 as well tbh.

You are being condescending and you Def couldn't

Are you kidding? 80% of people at 15 on the last week of the season are straight up garbage.

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Hell, most people at 5 the last week of the season are also garbage.

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Thats not what I'm saying.

I am saying that this late in the season, if you know what you're doing and play a decent amount, you will be higher than rank 15. It's just math, basically. Those stars have to go somewhere. In the system as its currently constructed, everyone rises to the top if they're even remotely ok at the game. It's not hard to get to 5.

Which means the people who are not there by this time of year are, on average, quite bad.

Timing matters. On the 3rd day of the season or whatever, the average skill level of a player at rank 15 is probably higher than the average skill level of someone at rank 6 on the last day of the season. That's just how the system works, the better players are constantly filtered up until the players left at a given level are not very good on average anymore.

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Like I'm garbage and I make rank 1-2 pretty consistently every season. It's not even remotely difficult.

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I kind of want to start a new account just to grind to 10 with it with just basics just to show I can.

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Standard is actually really fun right now imo.

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Games that have interesting decisions is generally what I like in games. In that sense, aggro decks are actually the least fun part of hearthstone for me because they attempt to boil the game down into as little decision making as possible. But the priest-warlock MU is super interesting because there are all sorts of decision trees that matter and you can play the game out in hundreds of different ways.

I enjoy metas without one dominant deck that don't devolve into "play the best deck or tech out to beat the best deck." So I like that right now there are many things that are viable which means that you don't have to play druid just because playing anything else is shaving percentage points.

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Standard is actually really fun right now imo.

What makes a meta game fun for you? I'm typically just happy if there's a couple tier 1-2 aggro decks and/or decks that are low budget, so it never really registers if there's a meta that's more fun or less fun.

for example, I like this meta a lot right now cause I can play basically every class beside Priest and Mage because I have patches and corridor creeper and fill my dailies without really re-rolling.

I almost never do my daily's fwiw.

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For instance the misplay rate with aggro/mid shaman was a lot higher than handlock/control warrior a few sets ago.

Sure, I was answering a broad question broadly.

Also, by a few sets ago you mean like almost a year ago lmao.

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10 months give or take.

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I miss patron.

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EP pretty much exclusively plays wild iirc.

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Either you are not very good at hearthstone or you handicap yourself by playing bad decks.

Shrug.

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Shrug.

I am not very good compared to the people I view as very good. I am a lot better than your average rank 10 player at the end of a season.