Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Also wait, even if mylo is defending drixx, it doesn't mean he's town.

if drixx were to flip green its just easy towncred for him.

So I'm not even sure what I'm tripped up about except my biggest townread saying I'm scum for it.

Then catch up on the gamestate I have to get back to work lunch break is over.

Stop bemoaning that I scumread you and do something about it and help us Lynch scum.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

i will openly admit any of my reads could go either way

unlike certain people who are wrong far more often than not, i dont live under the delusion that my reads are word of god

I don’t think my reads are the word of God. I am an atheist.

I generally have lots of theories going and then test them.
If they meet scrutiny then I ask about them.
If no one counters those points they remain

I have multiple theories running it’s the most likely that you are scum.
I continue to resist this bullshit you’re slinging fucking stop it and if you’re convinced mylo is scum and Titus is town explain it.

[MathBlade]

why on earth would i want to cooperate with someone like mathblade, sakura? it's hard to tell when he's actually town because he furthers the scum wincon almost every single game he's in and he actually thinks he's making good points despite being blatantly wrong so very often

in the words of a renowned philosopher, i'm pretty sure drinking cyanide is a better alternative than working with mathblade (paraphrasing, but close enough to what he said)

Talk about ignoring evidence when presented.

Jesus like you have such a pole up your ass that I suck that you’re deliberately not considering the alternative.

I am to the contrary of popular opinion trying to see what you are saying but when it’s coarsed in sarcasm and insults it’s nigh on impossible for me to understand your points.

I am trying to work with people. The insults do nothing towards helping.

If you think I am contributing to the scum wincon help me better. Please.

[MathBlade]

I mean, that would require some miracle in a player base this large, I would prefer a lynch

Math, besides muffin pushing it, is there any reason mylo is town here to you?

p-edit: I just think if scum!titus than town!drixx

and I've seen a lot scummier out of titus.

No. I see no other reason to scum or townread mylo.

It’s mainly muffin’s push that makes me think that because he refuses to explain it with anything reasonable and then is setting up a chain and getting pissy when I call him out on it.

[MathBlade]

you are so bad at reading intent it's laughable

it's why it's hard to tell when you're actually town

you just help scum so much

Then explain what is bad about my posts.

Stop attacking me and attack my points.

[MathBlade]

Sure don’t.

I think it’s full of shit.

Hell even try it. Test muffin, I am starting to give zero fucks.

[MathBlade]

@Zmuffinman You have my vote wherever you want it today.

Lynch scum and you continue to have it.

If not you treat me as an equal.

It’s the only way I can think of to actually get a lynch.

I won’t say anything disparaging about your choice unless directly asked my opinion.

Does this work for you?

[MathBlade]

To be clear I think your reads are shit but we need a Lynch.

[MathBlade]

To be clear I think your reads are shit but we need a Lynch.

what are my reads?

Drixx scum
Mylo scum
Titus town

This is what I have been able to gather of your reads

[MathBlade]

I think muffin probably townreads you math, considering how bad he thinks you are and yet no attempt to push you.

Nah he said me or mylo is so I have no fucking clue

Gotta drive carpool

[MathBlade]

@Zmuffinman You have my vote wherever you want it today.

Lynch scum and you continue to have it.

If not you treat me as an equal.

It’s the only way I can think of to actually get a lynch.

I won’t say anything disparaging about your choice unless directly asked my opinion.

Does this work for you?

I will be on all night tonight once home zMuffin

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.11

Leader: Titus

Myloninja13 (5):

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3):

Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2):

Sando, Katsuki

zMuffinMan (2):

BBmolla, MathBlade

BBmolla (1):

Nancy Drew 39

Brandi (1):

Toranaga

Gamma Emerald (1):

Ankamius

hebichan (1):

Titus

Katsuki (1):

Shiro

Ankamius (0):

Creature (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Shiro (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (4):

Brandi, Frozen Angel, Kokichi Oma, Myloninja 13

With

21

players, it takes

11

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-24 14:00:00).

Toranaga is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-23 00:00:00)

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Duplication:

Gain a second vote until the end of the next Day Phase. This second vote doesn't count for parity.

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

**Precognition:

Learn the next set of Superpowers available for acquisition before they're revealed.

Weather Manipulation:

Target another player. If that player takes Flight, that player dies.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

@Mathblade , why is your vote still on Muffin?

Because if he doesn’t take my offer it is a protest vote

[MathBlade]

(im at work, im reading things but if youre treating me like kingmaker here i want to shore up some reads im less confident about first)

(i dont have absolute confidence in any of my reads and im not going to pretend that any read i have is definitely correct but if you want to know what my biggest issue with you is, mathblade, is that's you consistently say things like "x is obvtown" when no, x is not obviously town at all and your reasoning for calling them "obvtown" is shaky at best)

I am only treating you like kingmaker if
1) You lynch scum with it
And 2) If you don’t you treat me like anyone else.

You have to agree to that specifically.

If you don’t I am doing my own thing

[MathBlade]

Little problem with that Math, is that I only see realistically MyLo being lynched even if you and muffin vote somewhere else, unless everyone agrees to lynch whoever muffin says.

I don’t see the issue.

But we can add the condition if/when Titus flips scum she treats me like a normal person. Because I don’t see Titus town I am willing to stake my vote on that.

[MathBlade]

Oh I am aware.

But if zMuffin is town (the more I doubt the more he doesn’t take this) and continues his “OMG people suck I am not working with people I am just gonna ‘solve’ the game” we lose

I don’t know if any other way to bring back respect than deferring to Muffin to make him see I might just have a point

And if he refuses we can lynch him

[MathBlade]

Because I don’t see Titus town I am willing to stake my vote on that.

that IS something i do agree with.
I just dont agree about drixx town.

Muffin thinks Titus is town. That’s a core tenant of what they have been saying.

[MathBlade]

If you have any other ideas to make zMuffin play mafia besides that please share.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Day 1

do you have any thoughts on titus, 123456789, human sequencer or gamma emerald?

@sakura,
cerberus is most likely town
had a mild town read on brass, replace-out seemed town (almost definitely so if string of numbers is scum)

so yeah

this is my not-entirely-sorted-but-good-enough-for-D1 list, and i want to lynch upward atm (pending changes, if i get a better grasp of the people in it):

sando
ND39

nico
human sequencer

the worst
titus
bbMolla
myloninja
drixx
123456789

"why is cupcake not in that list?" - because he's probably town
"why is kokichi not in that list?" - because he's probably town

also, consider the following: getting rid of string of numbers means getting rid of the abomination that was pages 36-38

if it wasn't already good enough that he's probably scum, that should be all the incentive anyone needs to burn it with fire

titus has spent far too much time on iioa. titus's scum hunting hasn't impressed me. some things she's said felt i guess kind of town but easily fakeable and there's not enough of it yet. need to look into whether she's the type of scum who buses because that was the first thought that came to mind when i saw her numbers dude vote

yeah, well, i mean... it's not like she's a strong town read of mine, i just am not convinced that not looking obvtown is concrete (i disagree she even looked obvtown early on in that other game but whatever). maybe after sleep i'll read back over nancy and tell you what i think but atm i'm fine with numbers dude and titus being competing wagons for today

hmmm

titus might actually be a better lynch but i dont really care at this point so whatever

honestly, havent been invested in this game enough to really figure out what's going on and i don't care this late in the day (especially if this is twlight)

numbers dude's play looks like scum but i could be wrong and if i am, titus should probably be lynched tomorrow. titus should come under heavy scrutiny if numbers is scum, too, but yeah

not too interested in trying to figure out teh game in twilight when im still a fair bit behind but still think the worst and titus are prob where id look at first regardless of numbers flip (and get the lurkers, especially drixx / bbMolla, to produce actual content)

Spoiler: Day 2

nico is likely not scum with titus (who may very well be scum)

also think the replace-out was townish but i don't care to argue this since it's not a strong belief

oh right, titus voted ankamius for leader

now wants to lynch ankamius

yeah, that happened

and i have no idea what you're asking in the second paragraph. unless you're saying i'm disregarding the possibility that titus is town who scum elected? i'm not entirely, it's just far less likely than the alternative based on a. her play, and b. the fact that titus was a likely lynch candidate today if not for the leader thing so why waste it on her purely to induce paranoia? otoh, i do think she'd be vain enough to ask her team to make her unlynchable

oh right, titus may not be scum if Drixx is scum and actually i think there's a chance titus was elected with zero scum influence but it was still a shit thing to happen

titus and drixx likely aren't scum together. that's the only part you got right

...
Probably more but this should be enough

No, muffin hasnt called Titus town, quite the opposite other than saying that drixx scum means titus town or viceversa.

He has been saying Drixx scum Titus town for all day today. He never addressed the multiple times I asked him about his Titus townread. I even pointed out where in his logic he townreads Titus

I am cooking I can’t read all that and cook

[MathBlade]

He can say he doesn’t but if you say X therefore Y

You believe Y unless you rescind x

[MathBlade]

If you say Y therefore X or X therefore Y that is different

But if you start with that or and never address the other half it isn’t an or

[MathBlade]

If you say Y therefore X or X therefore Y that is different

You mean like this?

titus and drixx likely aren't scum together.

That is the or statement.

That is one half.

The rest of his ISO is Drixx scum without the qualifier. Therefore he townreads Titus or his points are invalid.

[MathBlade]

I'm catching up soon

Anything specific I should be aware of from recent stuff?

Less than 24 hours to deadline

[MathBlade]

From what I'm seeing from this page, a lot of this conversation looks useless to me

I am trying to get muffin to see me as a human being. So far I don’t think that’s gonna happen so I will end up protest voting until EoD and if we need hammer I do it reluctantly to demonstrate Muffin is full of crap

[MathBlade]

What's the tally at?

last VC

Here

[MathBlade]

Who else has been suggested for leader? It's kind of obvious by now that nobody but the core block wants me as that

FA me (which I rejected as a couple people rejected me) and you should be the only candidates as those were nominated by FA

Others keep sneaking in people though like the suggestion of Sakura

[MathBlade]

There were a couple others too. Like sando suggested himself

[MathBlade]

Being a human being and playing mafia competently are entirely separate things.
(eg. muffins isnt a human but knows how to play mafia)

All you're doing is demonstrating why people want to policy lynch you in every game you play.

If demanding I get treated decently and not shit on in a game I play for things not relevant to the game gets me policylynched so fucking be it.

[MathBlade]

Can we just not have this fight please

Oh I want to not have this fight.

But if I come back to 800 pages (hyperbole) of always policy lynch me it’s just not cool.

[MathBlade]

Peace out til late tonight. I have other things I wanna do besides this.

Will hammer if needed.

[MathBlade]

I dunno but I still don’t think it necessarily means anything.

if we're dealing in absolutes, sure. nothing that get said in a mafia game

necessarily

means anything (with the obvious exception of mod confirmation in non-bastard games)

but hey...

BBMolla - Null leaning town
NicoRobin - Null
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Kokichi Oma - Leaning Town
Katsuki - Null
Myloninja13 - Null leaning scum
Drixx - Null

wow, look at that. only two specific names among the people lurking were "null leaning scum" despite a similar level of content across the board

hmm, probably means nothing

wow, a cursory glance at how he treats a lurking buddy in another game shows a similar way of calling attention to a buddy lurking. know what i can't find in numbers dude (and ircher's) scum games? directly calling out a town player and asking them to provide content. (it may exist, i just couldn't find an example of it - and someone else is free to put the time in to find a counter-example here if they want. he does

mention

lurkers in other games, just not in the same way)

guess it means nothing

(the point here is that there is better reason to assume he was extremely conscious of a buddy lurking than not)

Yes it does mean absolutely nothing.

That is the wrong way to use meta. It has to be a pattern AND similar intent.

I did not have a time to look at that game in depth but without intent you get stupid shit like “MathBlade had a M in their username in this game [cite game of whatever alignment] they must be [insert alignment here]”

Take in contrast the Drixx meta. Not only did I show this is what town him does I showed what scum him does with the same situation. In other words I analyzed the intent.

Locking phone now. Later!

[MathBlade]

should we not just like commit to voting one or the other? o.0 saying exactly who we want to vote for seems kinda counter productive

No we should.

This prevents scum from dog piling their choice

They have to explain it now.

[MathBlade]

Do you really think we can swing a lynch to Drixx this late?

How much time do we have left?

Please don’t. Like I lack words to explain but Drixx is town.

[MathBlade]

Like I promised I wouldn’t stop it but oh so badly I want to.

[MathBlade]

Uhm the whole lack words thing. :/ This is my best attempt at it but social concepts are hard for me

Pretty much I saw the same reaction in our hydra around mastina in Beneath the Mask.
When he gets riled up over something he just goes off on a tangent. It’s really rare and there usually is a catalyst but I just like it’s because I know him and have heard him talk about mastina. His push reaffirms my Sakura townread but it makes me wish I could explain this social shit better.

[MathBlade]

I get the logical argument. But I think a lot of us myself included need to take a step back overnight. But like he’s town. Like I just “feel it” and “feel it” reads are rare for me.

[MathBlade]

I get the logical argument. But I think a lot of us myself included need to take a step back overnight. But like he’s town. Like I just “feel it” and “feel it” reads are rare for me.

can you explain the logical argument to me

The argument as I understand it is:
“Drixx’s post lack a consistent theme/scumhunting/common thread and when he posts it seems more targeted and explanative than based on calm reason that he is known for. His push on Sakura seemed more like he is pushing her because of a gambit than any of her reads or interactions.”

[MathBlade]

Can I ever have a game without someone thinking im some master scum planner...

Welcome to my world

Hey..I don’t think you’re a master

Jokes aside: What are you thinking about the conversation right now?

[MathBlade]

Do you really think we can swing a lynch to Drixx this late?

How much time do we have left?

Please don’t. Like I lack words to explain but Drixx is town.

He likes me, therefore he's lynched.

Not everything is about you Titus.

[MathBlade]

OK i cant even say that with a straight face.

Test failed xD

Hahahahaha I needed that thank you.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.12

Leader: Titus

Myloninja13 (6):

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan, Kokichi Oma

Sando (3):

Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2):

Sando, Katsuki

zMuffinMan (2):

BBmolla, MathBlade

Brandi (1):

Toranaga

Gamma Emerald (1):

Ankamius

hebichan (1):

Titus

Katsuki (1):

Shiro

Ankamius (0):

BBmolla (0):

Creature (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Shiro (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (4):

Brandi, Frozen Angel, Myloninja 13, Nancy Drew 39

With

21

players, it takes

11

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-24 14:00:00).

Toranaga is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-23 00:00:00)

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Duplication:

Gain a second vote until the end of the next Day Phase. This second vote doesn't count for parity.

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

**Precognition:

Learn the next set of Superpowers available for acquisition before they're revealed.

Weather Manipulation:

Target another player. If that player takes Flight, that player dies.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

Seven hours people. Mylo looks like it today. As I said I will hammer

[MathBlade]

Seven hours people. Mylo looks like it today. As I said I will hammer

what do you think about what I just posted about Sando?

I put it off as read tomorrow. I am getting ready for work and so can’t read all that atm

[MathBlade]

By my count mylo is at 9 if I can do math

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what.

I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this.

By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

This is a real garbage list and a grabage thing to consider. Distributing power is extremly bad for town here. WE WANT to keep the power in trustable circle that is what we should do not just going wild and giving everyone something just so they all can use it together.

I agree but does it really hurt town if we can find ways of possibly widening that a bit - our “trustable town circle” - I mean?

I mean if the mechanics were different and the superheroes could choose more than one power a night, I’d 100% agree with you. I agree that we have to be very careful with whom we give those sh powers to but I do think it is in town’s interest to do our best to try and solve more people, in order to widen that list and strengthen town’s effectiveness. Do you not think that makes sense?

Literally suggested a town-circle yesterday and got SRd for it, god damn I hate this site and it's reflexive knee jerk reactions to setup ideation.

It's difficult the create the circle due to only being able to use a single ability though per night. I note you guys not exactly proposing any solutions there...

A redirector targeting dead?

Are you nuts?

Given it's specifically mentioned in the FAQ about getting the medium power redirected onto the living and thus cancelling it, no I don't think I'm nuts for considering it.

What happens if someone using the Spiritual Mediumship Superpower is redirected to a living slot?
Spiritual Mediumship fails on living players.

That said, I got the way the medium power worked mixed up the wrong way and it's super hard for scum to pull off what I suggested you would need to do as scum.

There is a difference from having a paranoia and considering different angels and having an agenda and considering something as nuts as redirecting stuff to dead players over cerb picking a powerful ability like medium instead of bp looks like you're trying to shade this up a little bit and that you have an agenda with it.

Redirecting an ability that was already targeting dead to a living player is possible cause you can redirect the person that is casting it not that you can target a dead player with a redirecting ability. And if there are any questions about this why you don't ask the mod using a pm or something instead of making theories about it in thread? That seems rather unproductive and fake and too over the top for a fresh and not biased point of view. Also why you didn't try to evaluate anything about me if you had concerns and you claim My pick on cerb might be fake? This is the "devil's proof" and the burden is on you if you want to accuse I'm scummy.

VOTE: Sando

I think that while you do have some good points here regarding Sando, namely the burden of proof is on him if he distrusts you, some of that frustration feels genuine.

I also see what could be happening is trying to plant seeds of doubt. I think the worst post there is actually where he complained to be scumread for it ironically. While he probably (still haven’t read d1) did scumread at that point in time no one was actively pushing him then. Hi

[MathBlade]

His frustration about being scumread reads too true*

[MathBlade]

I like creature first posts

Okay....

So Creature is Human Sequencer.
Mylo is Mylo.
Titus is Titus.

If you’re assuming 2/3rds scum then what is most likely if you like Creature’s posts?

[MathBlade]

K well I've had enough of the shade.

I don't want to be leader anymore, I really don't want to deal with that.

See you all tomorrow.

So we change to FA and Sakura?

*facepalm*

[MathBlade]

I like creature first posts

Okay....

So Creature is Human Sequencer.
Mylo is Mylo.
Titus is Titus.

If you’re assuming 2/3rds scum then what is most likely if you like Creature’s posts?

Now here is my alternate theory:

What if 123456789 paired two town with this suggestion instead? The reason I say this is context. A desperate scum would need a lynch to swing.

He also said Titus Nancy Ank.

Ank is pretty universally townread along with Nancy.

I think Titus either knew 123456789’s meta or 123456789 is cognizantly aware of it.

I don’t see Creature as scum here so the only real way to get 2/3rds is Titus/mylo. And with the meta case by muffin on mylo or me being bad

I am thinking Titus is the only scum in that list

[MathBlade]

Creature there's no time, pls.

We only should need one more vote on mylo before I can hammer but I wouldn’t say no to votes after that in case my counting is off.

[MathBlade]

Intent to hammer assuming I can count

[MathBlade]

Creature there's no time, pls.

We only should need one more vote on mylo before I can hammer but I wouldn’t say no to votes after that in case my counting is off.

But creature was voting mylo i think, and now isnt.

He is now I believe but yeah I probably missed something.

I will just wait for you to say what you need to then vote before going to work unless there is still more to say then I will check when I get back

[MathBlade]

Fine

VOTE: Mylo

VOTE: Sando

Not really a chance of getting hebi. I think all the current choices suck but this one is least bad.

Can someone make an unofficial vc

Also can you tell us who are the current leader votes claimers atm Sakura?

Also titus you submited your list? You must claim it now what is your submission please

Tried on my phone three times to quote the posts :/

I think it’s l-1

[MathBlade]

Please someone double check me while I finish getting ready for work

[MathBlade]

Can someone make an unofficial vc

Also can you tell us who are the current leader votes claimers atm Sakura?

Also titus you submited your list? You must claim it now what is your submission please

That puts a target on everyone's back. I will tell you that no new names appeared on it that I have not discussed previously.

Ewwwwwwww

*grabs infinity to the cardinal infinity*

Can this be used to reset the universe so lynching Titus is a thing?

[MathBlade]

FA you’re getting sidetracked arguing with scum here.

[MathBlade]

the most impressive thing about this game is that sando has 39 posts, not a shred of scum hunting in

any

of them and i still think he seems town

kudos, sir

It's a gift.

My D1 scumreads typically suck balls. My TRs tend to be better.

My TRs are FA, duckling, Sakura
My no-lynchees for today are Gamma, Muffin, 129, Tora, Cerb, Hebi

I'm not particularly impressed with Human, Ank or Nos. Human is mostly gut, but hasn't done anything to really earn non-lynch status. Ank and Nos have basically decided to have a whinge about all the useless content whilst providing, well, whinges.

There was litteraly no refrence to any reason for not wanting to lynch 12-9 till this post in sando's iso

There is still no reason in that post. Only that he is in a no lynch pile.

[MathBlade]

I gotta go to work will hammer when done with carpool

[MathBlade]

Waiting on carpool person is there anything I need to respond to?

[MathBlade]

yes thats the leader votes but we're choosing between ank and sakuru and all of that list should do The person we choose. we want to do a little test of loyalty with this hard assignments too to narrow down the possible liers and to keep control in a trustable number of players.

Uhmmm I think that is bad because a lot of people have already committed to voting you as leader.

[MathBlade]

I am concerned that the vote would be split.

So your plan is to have everyone voting you vote Ank or Sakura? I am a bit lost

[MathBlade]

No the ppl voting FA, vote FA, we're deciding if the other group votes me or ank.

Oh! That makes more sense.

I would say vote Ank.

The reason being that I know Ank better than you and more people seem to townread Ank than you if memory serves

Gotta drive

[MathBlade]

I am at work can you post a clear list of who is voting who?

And say anything else needed? Was there anything directed at me I missed?

[MathBlade]

Meh my gut says Ank but it’s like choosing between a cheeseburger and pizza for lunch. Both are good and taste good.

[MathBlade]

That makes me wonder if I'm healthy enough to order some cheeseburger/pizza for our dinner and if yes which should I order

I prepared no food in kitchen

Lol Make a cheeseburger pizza. Places serve them here.

Sorry I know I am no help but I townread them both.

[MathBlade]

I love it when they put grilled hot dogs on pizza but never tried cheeseburger on it

Omg they do that in Paris? When is the next flight?

*looks at lack of passport and money*

Damn it okay we need to quit spamming

Gun to my head Ank

[MathBlade]

Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

[MathBlade]

Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

hi math

am I still scum or have you finally read my ISO?

I haven’t read your ISO but I hate this post. As I said I haven’t read day one.

It’s like you’re planning to scumread me if I don’t say you’re town
But yet at the same time agree that I had valid reasons for scumreading you?

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Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

hi math

am I still scum or have you finally read my ISO?

I haven’t read your ISO but I hate this post. As I said I haven’t read day one.

It’s like you’re planning to scumread me if I don’t say you’re town
But yet at the same time agree that I had valid reasons for scumreading you?

I was just curious.

if all you did was read me in a gameday I didn't do dick, then yes you have valid reasons for scumreading me. if you read my d1 and think the same thing, then you don't anymore. I'm definitely not measuring your towniness or scumminess based off how you read me. I would say you're being fairly logical and posting very well, which is what I remember from your scumgame and not your town game, but you've been meaning to improve so I'm not sure that's a reasonable stance to take wrt you.

Yay more requirements I have to suck. Can we stop this please?

*sigh*

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Got it, can I vote Sando now?

Let’s wait on the VC

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Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

Aren’t we still one vote short?

I could have swore we were at l-1

Like I think there is a vote missing *double checks*

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Vote:mylo

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VOTE: mylo

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Well, it doesn’t look like we’re lynching Drixx today so . . .

UNVOTE: Drixx

VOTE: Mylo

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VOTE: Sando

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Fine

VOTE: Mylo

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VOTE: Sando

Not really a chance of getting hebi. I think all the current choices suck but this one is least bad.

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VOTE: Sando

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Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

i will openly admit any of my reads could go either way

unlike certain people who are wrong far more often than not, i dont live under the delusion that my reads are word of god

I don’t think my reads are the word of God. I am an atheist.

I generally have lots of theories going and then test them.
If they meet scrutiny then I ask about them.
If no one counters those points they remain

I have multiple theories running it’s the most likely that you are scum.
I continue to resist this bullshit you’re slinging fucking stop it and if you’re convinced mylo is scum and Titus is town explain it.

The highlighted is kinda dodging the point
But it's just a minor complaint

I was denying it with humor.

I use evidence based reads.
Meaning I make a hypothesis and support it with evidence.
And then I put it up to peers to review
If they don’t attack the evidence then it passes peer review and stands.

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Only here another hour guys

FA/Ank

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Sando (6):

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius, Creature

+Sakura Hana +Mathblade would be L-3 (8/11)

I am only reliable for an hour though

I am at work. Would vote either

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Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

i will openly admit any of my reads could go either way

unlike certain people who are wrong far more often than not, i dont live under the delusion that my reads are word of god

I don’t think my reads are the word of God. I am an atheist.

I generally have lots of theories going and then test them.
If they meet scrutiny then I ask about them.
If no one counters those points they remain

I have multiple theories running it’s the most likely that you are scum.
I continue to resist this bullshit you’re slinging fucking stop it and if you’re convinced mylo is scum and Titus is town explain it.

The highlighted is kinda dodging the point
But it's just a minor complaint

Unless you think Math honestly believes he’s some scum hunting god and I don’t think he does, I don’t see why? I’m not sure why he’s so convinced that you’re scummy though.

Wtf? I don’t have a read on gamma?

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Hey guys, who do you want me to leave my vote on, Sando or Mylo, i dont trust my internet right now and i dont have phone data.

Mylo.

I don’t trust how long I can post at work.

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for new page

We're going for Ankamius as backup leader

@EVERYONE Please place your leader vote as requested in this list:

Frozen Angel: Sakura Hana, Hebichan, Shiro, Katsuki, Mathblade, muffin, Toranaga, Ankamius, Drixx, Nancy Drew 39, Nosferatu
Ankamius: Frozen Angel, BBmolla, Brandi, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Kokichi Oma, the worst, Titus, Myloninja13/Sando (whoever gets lynched is not counted obv)

@Gamma

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We're going for Ankamius as backup leader

@EVERYONE Please place your leader vote as requested in this list:

Frozen Angel: Sakura Hana, Hebichan, Shiro, Katsuki, Mathblade, muffin, Toranaga, Ankamius, Drixx, Nancy Drew 39, Nosferatu
Ankamius: Frozen Angel, BBmolla, Brandi, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Kokichi Oma, the worst, Titus, Myloninja13/Sando (whoever gets lynched is not counted obv)

Okay cool with this
Why are we having those 2 as dueling wagons btw?

Again said numerous times

So scum can’t steal leader from town.

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Omg someone please get to L-1 while I am here

No lynching would be horrible.

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I personally prefer Sando over mylo for now

Understood. Are you so stubborn over if that you’d risk no lynch?

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I personally prefer Sando over mylo for now

Understood. Are you so stubborn over if that you’d risk no lynch?

The difference of the wagons is one vote are you sirious?

Its 9 to 6?

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OH? I thought sakura said if she was changing vote wagons would be equal

Honestly I have lost count trying to do it in my head

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I am at work I am hammering the first person I find at l-1 by my count

There are two hours no. If I am right on clock math

No. Do mylo

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yet what you posted is not a case though so don't call it that. It's a policy lynch request. There is nothing AI about a slot like Mylo and I refuse to accept that people can form actual legit reads about slots like that.

+1 the “case” from Muffin is because of 1-9

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Intent

I think it is at least

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I have to go

VOTE: Mylo

I hope it is hammer

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I had a shitty work day haven’t read day open, got through 3/4th of day one.

Titus is clearly scum for trying to get FA to use randomization.

Are we outing got/didn’t get powers or waiting on Titus?

Will give detailed thoughts on d1 when not exhausted from a 13 hour day.

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Are we outing got/didn’t get powers or waiting on Titus?

Eh, she was leashed, so we can just go off her list from D2, and if someone confirms not receiving a power from that list, we lynch Titus with impunity for lying.

Derp lolz.

I got a PM saying I could select a power.

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Are we outing got/didn’t get powers or waiting on Titus?

Eh, she was leashed, so we can just go off her list from D2, and if someone confirms not receiving a power from that list, we lynch Titus with impunity for lying.

Derp lolz.

I got a PM saying I could select a power.

Don't tell me you missed your deadline to pick a power?

No I took one. I just don’t want to say which just yet but it will be evident.

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Notification PM's have been sent to each member of the Superhero Team. If you didn't receive one, then you weren't selected.

Deadline for Power Acquisition and Night Actions is in (expired on 2018-07-26 14:00:00).
Deadline for Leader votes is in (expired on 2018-07-26 14:00:00). You may not vote for yourself or Titus.

Day 3 will open no later than in (expired on 2018-07-27 14:00:00).

Late submissions or modifications will not be accepted.

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Duplication:

Gain a second vote until the end of the next Day Phase. This second vote doesn't count for parity.

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

**Precognition:

Learn the next set of Superpowers available for acquisition before they're revealed.

Weather Manipulation:

Target another player. If that player takes Flight, that player dies.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

@Shiro how did you take Spiritual Medium?
It’s only available N1 yeah?

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I voted for Ankamius for leader

I picked Toranaga, Ankamius, Cerberus v666, Nancy Drew 39, Shiro

My only regret is shiro...

Nevermind I am stupid.

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I expect not to survive n3

I am still sketched out by you.

:/ This feels wrong and I don’t know why?

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That's good, the more I look like a potential lynch in the future the better my chances of not dying. Though I dunno maybe because I am i am your only link to the dead and that's pretty strong? Scum won't want me around.

What makes you say you are the only link? We don’t know what others picked and I would feel a lot better if someone else confirmed that it’s actually Cerb’s opinion/words/thoughts.

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Am I the only one here that doesnt consider spiritual mediumship something strong?

I consider it very strong because of A) who scum killed and B) that it was night one.

Cerb is one of the better mafia players here. If I was in the game and chosen N1 I probably would have taken it for sanity checks.

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I don't like you trying to shade me as an unreliable connector math. It seems like you are trying to discredit Cerb before I even give out his thoughts by making me untrustworthy to relay truth.

Cerb is trustworthy. That’s not the issue. I am not trying to shade you and will be able to sort you depending upon how you say things not what you say. He could say he scumreads the mod for all I care. It’s more how you say it that says it’s cerb I am just tired and would rather a second person confirm.

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@Drixx @Mathblade @Titus I really want your opinion on if this is actually titus contacting shiro or not. ask questions that only cerb can answer or the answers will help you to evaluate him.

I am sorry. What is the “this” you want my opinion on?

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It's funny really I am not trusted yet twice got picked to get powers xD

Not quite sure how that is funny?

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@Drixx @Mathblade @Titus I really want your opinion on if this is actually titus contacting shiro or not. ask questions that only cerb can answer or the answers will help you to evaluate him.

I am sorry. What is the “this” you want my opinion on?

She meant cerb not titus I'm pretty sure.

how is there 7 people? Doesn't the incubation chamber only hold 6 including the leader?

yeah she refused me when I asked her to make her list definite and just outed the 7 people list to put people in less danger or something which makes absolutely no sense

So there's a throwaway person in the list?

It’s almost midnight here I just don’t know what she wants my opinion on. This and before work are pretty much the only time I have until Saturday.

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@Drixx @Mathblade @Titus I really want your opinion on if this is actually titus contacting shiro or not. ask questions that only cerb can answer or the answers will help you to evaluate him.

I am sorry. What is the “this” you want my opinion on?

I meant cerb

I want you guys to ask something from shiro that only cerb can answer, or stuff you can say for a good certainty by the answer that is coming from cerb. I've been out for a year I don't think I can do it.

Okay give me a few minutes.

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Is Cerb online? This only works I think if he is online right now.

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Yup yup

Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.

No hints from anyone else.

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Yup yup

Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.

No hints from anyone else.

I have been force replaced? You caught me surprised here. I have totally forgot such a thing.

@“Cerb” Tell me have you been keeping up with the thread at all? Because I am pretty sure if you were you wouldn’t forget the answer to that question. A hint is the answer is in this thread.

If you can’t answer by the time I am in my jammies I am gonna be really concerned

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Oh wait this was to Cerb kk. Well he says he won't answer any questions. And that your question is dumb anyway cause anyone could check his history and find the only game his name is crossed anyway.

Ten minutes to ISO 50+ games
With multiple hydras and roles

Good luck.

“Cerb” can answer

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Cerb would know if on the tip of his damn tongue.

I asked if he was fucking online

VOTE: Shiro

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FA

Me

Ank Nancy Drixx

Math

Shiro

Quoting for reference
Bolding the confirmed + Titus herself coz she cant unchoose herself.

Drixx is the one person off list I left out. Mod said too many to give him one. He was considered the scummiest and there was no hood.

Still catching up.

I took Precognition since that power role can be tracked and no one trusted me. Sending in my PM to use it.

Well ... that sucks.

I took it so we would be able to know powers in advance so scum couldn’t surprise us. :/

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I was planning on displaying it later lolz Guess I won’t send in that PM request XD

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Math I found the answer to your question in legit 30 seconds

Congrats Don’t share

The fact “Cerb” couldn’t makes me doubt “Cerb” is talking.

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Someone give me the cliff notes on the Shiro/Cerb thing.

Cerb is dead, but I'm guessing Shiro claims to be in a neighborhood with the dead man? Or is there something else? And this warrants votes because no one believes Shiro, or is there another reason the votes are piling on?

Yes. Shiro claims to have used the spiritual power on Cerb.
I asked if Cerb is online
Shiro says yes
I ask Cerb a softball question
Shiro doesn’t relay an/the right answer for Cerb.

Ergo he likely isn’t talking with Cerb ergo scum

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Math I found the answer to your question in legit 30 seconds

Congrats Don’t share

The fact “Cerb” couldn’t makes me doubt “Cerb” is talking.

ye ok but if i can do it so easily why would shiro not do it

It’s why there was a timeline.

It also had to be done in a Cerbesque fashion. Just the answer wouldn’t be good enough.

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Like I remember <<game redacted>> I was force replaced because <<redacted>> The game was memorable because we were <<redacted>>

In Cerb’s words. Very hard to do if you weren’t in that game.

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Yes. Shiro claims to have used the spiritual power on Cerb.
I asked if Cerb is online
Shiro says yes
I ask Cerb a softball question
Shiro doesn’t relay an/the right answer for Cerb.

Ergo he likely isn’t talking with Cerb ergo scum

But what motivation would Shiro have to make up talking to Cerb's ghost? Whether or not he actually can doesn't prove Shiro's alignment anyways since he's not confirming anything other than message relay, so what other reason would he have to lie about it? And even if he is lying, is he troll lying, or is it something really lynch worthy?

Cerb is a notably good player. Shiro has been under suspicion two days now.
Combine with a buddy down I could see Shiro and Titus gambitting together to try to convince us that they are both town using “Cerb” to do it.

Intentionally misleading town about what powers you have in a low info flip game is pretty damn lynch worthy especially when we use that information to piece together what scum does.

So yeah I would say pretty damn bad.

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Drixx can you ask shiro a question that only cerb can answer?

Make sure Cerb is on to answer first according to Shiro before asking if it is time sensitive.

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FA

Me

Ank Nancy Drixx

Math

Shiro

Quoting for reference
Bolding the confirmed + Titus herself coz she cant unchoose herself.

Drixx is the one person off list I left out. Mod said too many to give him one. He was considered the scummiest and there was no hood.

Still catching up.

I took Precognition since that power role can be tracked and no one trusted me. Sending in my PM to use it.

Well ... that sucks.

I took it so we would be able to know powers in advance so scum couldn’t surprise us. :/

Well I'll submit my request to the Mod to trigger mine. I'll say the second power. You say the third. Either you will confirm I took precog or put yourself as scum.

That sounds fine by me I will submit my request in the AM. I definitely don’t mind double checking Titus (any objections?)

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Yup yup

Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.

No hints from anyone else.

@Drixx please do

And also for curiosity’s sake how quickly could you do this in regards to Cerb? You know him pretty well so force replace is a rather rare occurrence wouldn’t you say? Don’t actually answer it.

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Yup yup

Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.

No hints from anyone else.

@Drixx please do

And also for curiosity’s sake how quickly could you do this in regards to Cerb? You know him pretty well so force replace is a rather rare occurrence wouldn’t you say? Don’t actually answer it.

I already know exactly. Cerb and I have talked daily for years.


I'm actually trying to figure out how to play town as well out of hydra as I'm able to when I'm with him. It's incredibly valuable to be able to talk to someone about a game instead of just make notes and constantly second guess myself. While we're waiting for question answers ... any advice on that?

Uhmmm you’re asking someone with an atrocious record for advice on how to be town.
The one game I hydra’d with you it still went sideways.
Pretty much Eddie Cane tilted me I couldn’t be your safety check on Mastina :/
I would say set a confidence threshold of like 75% if you are that sure go for it. It’s a mafia game 100%s are rare.

So was my question easy enough for you Drixx?

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Yup yup

Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.

No hints from anyone else.

@Drixx please do

And also for curiosity’s sake how quickly could you do this in regards to Cerb? You know him pretty well so force replace is a rather rare occurrence wouldn’t you say? Don’t actually answer it.

I already know exactly. Cerb and I have talked daily for years.


I'm actually trying to figure out how to play town as well out of hydra as I'm able to when I'm with him. It's incredibly valuable to be able to talk to someone about a game instead of just make notes and constantly second guess myself. While we're waiting for question answers ... any advice on that?

Uhmmm you’re asking someone with an atrocious record for advice on how to be town.
The one game I hydra’d with you it still went sideways.
Pretty much Eddie Cane tilted me I couldn’t be your safety check on Mastina :/
I would say set a confidence threshold of like 75% if you are that sure go for it. It’s a mafia game 100%s are rare.

So was my question easy enough for you Drixx?

Third time I have asked this Drixx

I am staying up for this answer.

*glares*

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@Fa

He says it because there 15 more people that still havent talked about their confidence in me commuting his thoughts and that it would have been really fucking nice if day start wasn't all about him and he could gauge their reactions without them knowing this is tested that much.

Bullshit. Then there would be zero reason to out at this point in the day. You could have easily demanded Titus do a VCA without having said Cerb asked. And continued to push.

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Cool then I am going to bed. I just wanted to make sure I was being reasonable and it was a test of you and Shiro.

Going to bed will check in AM if I missed something let me know.

Pedit I said I would submit in the AM.

I will quote your post asking.

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I am paraphrasing some stuff you do realise that Drixx right?

@Drixx You just overrode
Give “Cerb” a shot.
If “Cerb” refuses and doesn’t answer in Shiro’s next post then you can.

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I am paraphrasing some stuff you do realise that Drixx right?

@Drixx You just overrode
Give “Cerb” a shot.
If “Cerb” refuses and doesn’t answer in Shiro’s next post then you can.

@Math, can you pm the mod for precog? It takes all of two seconds.

Fine just a sec I have to do a 12 tomorrow possibly people then run a campaign I want to fucking sleep at some point

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I mean guys, seriously thinking I would out myself as scum like that, I just :/

@FA

You said I am lying and outed myself for whatever. Like legit OK. If I was scum doing this I wouldn't bloody lie about having the chat. It would just be fucking stupid.

It’d be a Titus gambit...
What did I tell you all was the one rule about Titus scum?

Now PM sent.

@Drixx you can answer now

@Thread good night
Not responding to another damn thing til the AM

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scum PT last night:

"hey shiro, pretend you got the medium N1 and that you used it on cerb lol"
"but i don't see a point in doing that..."
"nah dw it's a good idea, trust me, it's not going to make people think you're town but do it anyway!"
"but won't it be too obvious? what if they try to verify it?"
"lol dw just say he won't do it! everyone will let you off the hook! it's a flawless strategy"
"ok, i will do just that! i also believe this is a flawless strategy!"

I’ve seen worse in scum!Titus PTs lol

Like Titus and RC have ran so many Gambits if they hydra just name it Gambit and put XMen on the cover

I lied now good night

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@Math, The second power is Freezing.

What is the third?

I confirm this.

Third is impenetrable skin.

Didn’t expect him to get back to me so fast.

Titus used precog.

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@Math, The second power is Freezing.

What is the third?

I confirm this.

Third is impenetrable skin.

Didn’t expect him to get back to me so fast.

Titus used precog.

@Thread Can I please go to bed now? Omg

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It’d be a Titus gambit...
What did I tell you all was the one rule about Titus scum?

Fuck, you went to bed.

Explain please if you see this, repeat the one rule if necessary.

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Math

Do you really think Titus would push for something that would get her a metric fuckton of heat in a playerlist that is competent enough to veto that just for the sake of theater between herself and the scum that was made leader for day one

Titus has a really large “I can do anything” as scum.

With her buddy numbers taking heat I could easily see her trying to fake moonlogic to get townread. What really matters is context. Especially if she knew she would be shot down it would be noise. I have seen many a scum (myself included) suggest something stupid and people buy it.

I had an open once where I was tunneling my buddy so hard people never lynched the slot and it was a clean sweep despite him being obvious. The dead thread kinda was really disappointed in town afterwards.

It’s always why did Titus say/do things at that moment then build a plan from that. Not look this is how scum is traditionally played

viewtopic.php?p=9136550#p9136550

Dreal was a player that game.

And btw this is the game I was remembering Ank. Titus guilties RC Not RC guilties Titus

And the first question was why would Titus be so damn suicidal.

And Titus and RC were scum together.

viewtopic.php?p=9329900#p9329900

This is a very true thing and anyone knowing Titus should suspect her immediately if she hammers anyone like ever.

The concrete action of hammering is what to look at. “Not oh everyone scumread her so it is fine”

So I really need to read Titus in depth. The concrete values to look at are where to start with her. Start from facts and go back. Not from “good” scum play. That is subjective.

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scum didn't necessarily vote titus, she won on tiebreak. bbMolla, cerb, no living player got more than 2 votes and titus won out on tiebreak factors (on the scum lynch, more overall votes than sakura)

she could be scum anyway but i doubt she planned to get elected

This would be true if all firgetters were honest. How likely is that.

I'm putting my VCA until this afternoon, tomorrow morning at the latest. Being up until 2 AM = Groggy and unfocused Titus.

Then why did you post this immediately instead of sleeping or doing the VCA?

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The point


Titus’s head if Town

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Is it worth browsing through these pages?

Shiro is conf!Scum for lying about talking with Cerb more than likely.

“Cerb” refused to answer both Drixx’s and my questions.

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What's about Titus?

what about titus?

Question needs clarifying

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What's about Titus?

what about titus?

Question needs clarifying

Why is Titus scum?

She tried to neutralize a big source of us getting reads saying “it should all be random”

Town Titus does not ever advocate for anything that destructive

Titus this game has been a-okay with multiple wrong perceptions existing

Titus also has been full of shit...often

I gotta go but that is the horribly abridged two second version

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Can't really see a world where ankamius didnt try to link Cerb last night.

Ank was also the person to point out the spiritual guidance problem with my FA paranoia.

On the other hand I don't think Ank corrected me about how the redirect would have to occur when I was theorising.

Ank with confidence in FA town would probably still BP themselves N2 though, knowing they'd be a scum-target as future-leader.

Not if Ank thought Titus was scum? Why? Because of the power negztion thing. She would have to know IS would be useless in that case, assuming she even got a power N2.

yeah but scum team for being sure they can shoot ank should have used power negate which still points out to at least one scum in last night superpower pool

Can’t have it both ways FA

If you believe Titus scum then “scum should” is not a thing
And if I follow your case you’re making a case scum exist simply because power negation is in the list
But with Precognition as a power that means the lists have to have been made before the game started.

Please clarify?

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Can't really see a world where ankamius didnt try to link Cerb last night.

Ank was also the person to point out the spiritual guidance problem with my FA paranoia.

On the other hand I don't think Ank corrected me about how the redirect would have to occur when I was theorising.

Ank with confidence in FA town would probably still BP themselves N2 though, knowing they'd be a scum-target as future-leader.

Not if Ank thought Titus was scum? Why? Because of the power negztion thing. She would have to know IS would be useless in that case, assuming she even got a power N2.

yeah but scum team for being sure they can shoot ank should have used power negate which still points out to at least one scum in last night superpower pool

Can’t have it both ways FA

If you believe Titus scum then “scum should” is not a thing
And if I follow your case you’re making a case scum exist simply because power negation is in the list
But with Precognition as a power that means the lists have to have been made before the game started.

Please clarify?

From ank pov: if she was sure there was a scum with power negate she knew she couldn't do bp so she would go with her medium probably. otherwise she could decide between bp or other abilities she had

From mafia pov: they couldn't possibly guess if Ank is doing the bp or something else so their optimal play would be using power negation on ank then killing her.

Uhmmm

No

Still wrong

If Ank was so sure about scum having a power negate A) She attacks the list before the end of day and B) Then she would take literally whatever as power negate would make it useless. So saying she would take another power she knew would be negated is just as ridiculous as saying she would not take BP because useless?

I agree from the mafia POV that would be an optimal play.
However I can create a lot of optimal plays. That isn’t a case for that specific scenario.

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So yeah I think it's safe to assume that no scum would try killing ank UNLESS if they had power negate or a factional strongman or if they just decided to do a bold move and trust her softs that she was using medium last night.

And there in lies the problem.

You’re making assumptions about what scum would do without the flips in question.

If you believe that there is likely scum in the hood flip the most likely scum to prove your assumption real.

This is a way scum lead down the wrong path.

People make assumptions about things because “duh” and then never check them.

But right now you are making an assumption here FA.

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Spoiler:

Can't really see a world where ankamius didnt try to link Cerb last night.

Ank was also the person to point out the spiritual guidance problem with my FA paranoia.

On the other hand I don't think Ank corrected me about how the redirect would have to occur when I was theorising.

Ank with confidence in FA town would probably still BP themselves N2 though, knowing they'd be a scum-target as future-leader.

Not if Ank thought Titus was scum? Why? Because of the power negztion thing. She would have to know IS would be useless in that case, assuming she even got a power N2.

yeah but scum team for being sure they can shoot ank should have used power negate which still points out to at least one scum in last night superpower pool

Can’t have it both ways FA

If you believe Titus scum then “scum should” is not a thing
And if I follow your case you’re making a case scum exist simply because power negation is in the list
But with Precognition as a power that means the lists have to have been made before the game started.

Please clarify?

From ank pov: if she was sure there was a scum with power negate she knew she couldn't do bp so she would go with her medium probably. otherwise she could decide between bp or other abilities she had

From mafia pov: they couldn't possibly guess if Ank is doing the bp or something else so their optimal play would be using power negation on ank then killing her.

Uhmmm

No

Still wrong

If Ank was so sure about scum having a power negate A) She attacks the list before the end of day and B) Then she would take literally whatever as power negate would make it useless. So saying she would take another power she knew would be negated is just as ridiculous as saying she would not take BP because useless?

I agree from the mafia POV that would be an optimal play.
However I can create a lot of optimal plays. That isn’t a case for that specific scenario.

yeah thing about ank is she could use medium on cerb last night instead of using bp as she softed. That part about being sure about scum being in pool was nancy premise.

My point was just that mafia pov has nothing to do with what ank chose. To kill a player who could access to bp you either disable the bp or you risk. In this case I find it very likely that the power negate was used on ank before her being killed.

I agree, IF scum are in the people Titus chose or if Titus herself is scum.

However, you’re making an assumption here and putting the cart before the horse.

viewtopic.php?p=8328378#p8328378

It’s a similar thing you did in Shadowrun but I did not stop you as you thinking scum in the Matrix was a good thing.

If Titus is scum (as she likely is) then yes it makes sense. However you’re going backwards

You’re assuming scum used power negate because it is on the list to then assume there is scum in the list.

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Also it was a really bad play from cerb to not choose a bp/redirect n1 cause that gave them a free kill. If he really got medium as shiro claimed and it was not a factional strongman or something like that I mean. Mafia got 2 free kills on universal townreads and it's on them and no one else.

@Nancy and yes I mentioned your point before. If titus is scum its very likely that ank didn't even got any power last night though there was the danger for medium.

Except not exactly. If everyone continuously takes BP and scum have a power negation we get nowhere.

Again FA please slow your roll and think this through.

I gotta go to work.

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On top of that, he posted it first thing the day after going a gross misrepresentation of me. Seriously meant to just say "oh what a silly joker Nos is, with his fakeclaims of guilties on townies". Seriously?

ok but sando, you have to be town for this line to work.

Is it worth browsing through these pages?

Shiro is conf!Scum for lying about talking with Cerb more than likely.

“Cerb” refused to answer both Drixx’s and my questions.

I still see no reason for the prevalent thought in this town to be that shiro is lying

The lie that shiro is presumably perpetuating so so high risk low reward, that even in concept it makes almost no sense for shiro to make it, especially considering the amount of people that know cerb pretty intimately and have a long history with him that I'm pretty sure shiro does not have.

The two options here are: cerb doesn't want to confirm or shiro is scum lying in a weird convoluted gambit that makes ostensibly no discernible sense

use that stupid occam's razor that gets spammed on this site so much

this is so dumb to watch

It makes a lot of sense

Fuck I hate I have to go to work right now Drixx or FA please explain this

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Also it was a really bad play from cerb to not choose a bp/redirect n1 cause that gave them a free kill. If he really got medium as shiro claimed and it was not a factional strongman or something like that I mean. Mafia got 2 free kills on universal townreads and it's on them and no one else.

@Nancy and yes I mentioned your point before. If titus is scum its very likely that ank didn't even got any power last night though there was the danger for medium.

Except not exactly. If everyone continuously takes BP and scum have a power negation we get nowhere.

Again FA please slow your roll and think this through.

I gotta go to work.

cerb didn't know about power negation n1 and he could dodge that kill or he could redirect it to someone else. I beleive the medium was suboptimal choice for n1 for "cerb" who was a nearly top tr and who had effect in game. (this is all assuming no weird unknown strongman factional kills)

anyway I get your point. I think you don't understand mine. You think I'm tunneling and sorting people based on one assumption (that people think they are playing optimal). That is not the place I am. I'm just theorizing scenarios not basing my reads because of these.

The problem with theorizing scenarios not based on reads is two fold
1) Discussion moves to mechanics instead of hunting
2) Those mechanic suggestions creep into reads

So if your suggestion had nothing to do with reads why mention it at all?

*confused*

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Fuck I hate I have to go to work right now Drixx or FA please explain this

ok, I've seen the whole devil whatever gambit

its stupid bottom line

there's no way shiro makes this gambit here imo

the devils proof is not a gambit its a thing about the stuff you can't prove they exist directly like cerb talking to shiro. The gambit would be shiro trying to make it look like they have contact with cerb to get an alibi for last night power use or something which is pretty dumb and doesn't make sense with shiro doing it. That doesn't change the fact that cerb existence is NOT confirmed for absolutely no valid reason.

The or something is smart.

If people believed him and he is scum
Then “Cerb” as “conf!town” pushes a scum agenda

That is where the power lies for scum.

I could easily see a Titus Shiro team killing Ank so they can pull it off.

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The thing here is that if I was ank I would always choose bp last night. as second choice of leader and a universal tr that medium choosing was really suboptimal. People like ufo or you should have done that just like the way shiro claims he did.

True but me not winning leader in a landslide was suboptimal, Town forgetting is suboptimal, Cerb not taking bp is suboptimal...like there's so much suboptimal shit I don't know where to begin.

It could be argued Ank softed bp to take medium abd scum called him out. Anything can be argued. Time to go eyeball some vcs.

Where did Ank soft bp?

At EoD, there was talk about his need to live. Soft bp might not be right phrasing but...

If we have lock scum in my picks, we can resolve that tomorrow by forcing Shiro to medium Ank.

Either a) Shiro can't prove talk with Ank, meaning he took power negation and is scum
b) Scum kill Shiro and not FA which basically makes FA a god tier IC
or c) Shiro confirms talking with Ank and we get an answer whether there is scum in the pool AND confirms me giving Ank a power thus negating scum attempt to frame me.


Although if A is true then we may not have a method to reach BC

Lolz

I can think of D E and F for that lol

This whole “binary” or limited choice thing is stupid.

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D> Shiro is scum and scum didn’t need power negation to kill Ank because Ank took something other than BP
E> Shiro is scum and a buddy has power negation
F> Shiro is town and is not mislynched by scum and scum do not kill Shiro and let him talk with Ank with his credibility ruined.Then Ank because she forgets to do things and has horrible mechanic sense just doesn’t pay attention.
G>Shiro is town and <redacted> I don’t believe this case but if I say it it becomes unprovable.

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Like Shiro could easily have precog and you have power negation and you want me to confirm you as town because you know I am a strategizer and think steps ahead to what scum are doing.

So you want me to confirm you as town when there is no proof you took it the more I think about it.

Only proof you have access to the same list PMed by the mod.

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Speaking of which anyone with precognition that doesn’t claim it now and verify they have it and/or have access to the list from their buddies I will consider a scum claim.

So if someone took precognition and doesn’t use it today then says they took it I am calling bullshit

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I don't understand what are we even discussing here. you have an issue with me saying that scum optimal strategy for killing ank was power neglate?

Yes.
Because
1> We don’t know what happened
2> Scum may not have thought of it (especially if Titus scum she gets moonlogicky)
3> It puts a suggestion scum are optimal/suboptimal when we just don’t know.

The narrative/gamestate is a big thing that scum can use to fuck with people.

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Furthermore I know what questions to ask if Shiro lives to tomorrow despite obviously lying

I have two questions that the answers do not exist on MS that Ank would be able to answer instantly.

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actually if you look at it that way you can think that scum didn't use power negation at all yeah

I just think scum thought I'm a risky target and didn't went with me/went with second best kill

pedit: we should check if siren call happens first or the phasing

Do you see why the power negation suggestion was an issue now?

Like seriously.

There are tons of options and we spent a shit ton of time on a fruitless endeavor.

The fact is we don’t know.

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Ask cerb what he thinks about sando

He is at the top of his top look deeper into list. He says the irrational resistance to a Sando quicklynxh is concerning, he noticed that while people were discussing swapping to him when he was at 6 votes a lot of people showed up that weren't voting him and the lynch could have happened with hours to spare.

Ask him what he thinks about the points I made about sando

FA are you scum?

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There are tons of options and we spent a shit ton of time on a fruitless endeavor.

Like questioning my validity :p

Yay the cheekiness from Mass Effect returns /sarcasm

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Ask cerb what he thinks about sando

He is at the top of his top look deeper into list. He says the irrational resistance to a Sando quicklynxh is concerning, he noticed that while people were discussing swapping to him when he was at 6 votes a lot of people showed up that weren't voting him and the lynch could have happened with hours to spare.

Ask him what he thinks about the points I made about sando

FA are you scum?

no. I'm interested to know this hypothetical cerb read is on my read

why did you ask that question?

Because we already established that we are likely not talking with Cerb. I don’t see what asking “Cerb” does except generate spam. I figure if and when “Cerb” wants to give his opinion he can confirm himself.

Otherwise it’s just Shiro’s opinions with pronouns swapped

The last few things you’ve mentioned have been just noise and I don’t see the help

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Sees 5 pages at 10:30 after three hours sleep and having to work tomorrow.

Quick TLDR?

*crashes*

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Well Cerb answered the question... that's all I remember.

Did Drixx confirm/deny that was the right answer?

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4484

Yeah that seems oddly specific

VOTE: Unvote

I still have a weird Shiro vibe and I don’t know why.

Like my logic brain is going “Bad Math”

Gonna go to bed for now but like ugh something feels wrong

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Also as for more reasons muffin is scum he says if he recalls correctly they were the ones that brought up the equibilance between random midget and mylo slot and created a false 1v1with no strong reasoning, which was then leavaraged by people to lynch mylo

@Cerb You mean I point out something accurate and get drowned out by all the people calling me stupid?

Gee if only I had saw that coming...Wait a minute.

I did.

What do you make of muffin’s lesser activity now?

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I want a scummie for this >;D

If Cerb wasn’t there I would agree with a scummie for effort if it existed.

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Ask cerb what he thinks about sando

He is at the top of his top look deeper into list. He says the irrational resistance to a Sando quicklynxh is concerning, he noticed that while people were discussing swapping to him when he was at 6 votes a lot of people showed up that weren't voting him and the lynch could have happened with hours to spare.

Ask him what he thinks about the points I made about sando

FA are you scum?

no. I'm interested to know this hypothetical cerb read is on my read

why did you ask that question?

Because we already established that we are likely not talking with Cerb. I don’t see what asking “Cerb” does except generate spam. I figure if and when “Cerb” wants to give his opinion he can confirm himself.

Otherwise it’s just Shiro’s opinions with pronouns swapped

The last few things you’ve mentioned have been just noise and I don’t see the help

1 - we established nothing. If shiro fails to prove that is cerb till mid day/eod they will get lynched. till then their opinion matters and they might have cerb opinion
2 - you ask scumreads to elaborate their reads too because when you get more information later such reads/points matter
3 - I'm intrested to know what other people think about the eod of sando and shiro already said this hypotetical cerb was intrested in the eod so my question is asking them to elaborate it
4 - my post are not noise. I've been evaluating players from different perspectives/methods all day long - and in previous days. if you disagree with the stuff I'm doping then do your stuff instead of tackling what I'm doing for consecutive pages.

1) We established Cerb was being weird. I am still very confused as to why Cerb did what he did. If he wasn’t already confirmed town by being dead I’d have scumread him for holding out the confirmation. Gonna have to re-evaluate Shiro in light of that when it’s not goddamn awful early.
2) I generally find the wine is only moderately helpful for scumreads. If someone is high prob scum get them to talk unpopular townreads.
3) okay but how does that relate to all your prior posts?
4) I am doing my stuff. You I felt was obvTown yesterday. Ank died instead of you.

This means either
A) You’re scum
B) Ank was a bigger threat
C) Ank was the safer / only kill they thought they could do

This means trying to reread you from a blank perspective and I am really confused by a lot of the posts you have made so far.

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What if...

We collect all the what ifs...

???

Profit


On a more serious note, I did a tentative visual eyeball vca Cerb for d1. Thoughts on just that?

He wants the whole thing, doing this tentative eyeball thing to appease him is concerning especially cause you have said it is hard to do it when scum.

+1 There are definitely some weird interactions I feel on day one and I wanna see how those show up on your VCA. If you’re scum as I think you are then this would force you to give us townreads that we can evaluate.

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I really need a town ufo in this game before going crazy with all these not concentrated things in my mind. :whenlifegetsatyou:

Where is he anyway?

Yeah, I really hope he is more active because he currently is #1 choice for D4 leader rn.

Yeah how about a no?

This reads like Tor can’t keep up with Town!perception him.

If Tor gets back and posts things I will reconsider but an inactive lurksac is not being leader.

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@fa from Cerb, almost copy paste. Hopefully I won't be mod killed

He think the super mechanical discussion isn't valuable now. We lack crucial info to make conclusions and stuff. Repeat the Sando thing, he is uncertain what you mean.

He says you are displaying a contradiction by calling my decision to not choose a protective power a really bad one, while also expressing certainty that scum wouldnt go for an "uncertain" kill in someone who was likely to be given the ability to have a protective. Doesn't seem to jive with him. And the talks about power negation. He needs to think about that more.

This is bullshit. Cerberus trusts me to think through things as thoroughly as him. When we hydra we're both constantly pushing each other and thinking of things the other hasn't. There's no world where Cerb doesn't confirm by now. He would want me to have the known info because both He and I work from concrete known information. He also wouldn't just assume that if he didn't see a way to draw some conclusion he's trying to figure out that I would also be unable. He would want us both working on it.

QED: Shiro is lying and running a super ballsy gambit that didn't work because I thought to ask questions only he and I know the answers to when it could have been reasonably expected I might try to confirm it was him in a way similar to how Mathblade tried. Just the fact that Math's attempt at confirmation was info that could be found on site reinforces the fact that it would have been reasonable for someone to believe such a gambit could work. All it would have taken was for me to think to confirm the way Math did and the gambit may in fact have actually worked.

So all this bullshit about how there's no way Shiro would do this gambit is literally handwaving bullshit. It nearly worked.

@Drixx With Cerb confirmed to be behind Shiro, how have your reads changed? Better yet what are some of your reads town and scum.

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@TITUS TITUS TITUS

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1IZJr10WwNx

Voice over the other part xD

Ughhhhh
Why does this make me feel worse about Titus Shiro?

Like I was just about to townread him then he does this shit.

God fucking damn it I feel like Titus and Shiro are waving their scumminess in our faces

VOTE: Titus

Titus: Take Spiritual Medium it will take heat off of you
Oh and make sure you don’t confirm Cerb immediately so people talk mechanics
Shiro: Ok.
Titus: Yeah Math and Drixx are looking all kinds of paranoid keep it up.
——
A few/many pages later
——
*Drop the Cerb confirm*
Titus: I love making townies squirm and confirming scum as “town” because their power is confirmed.

^^ Reasonable or paranoia?

VOTE: Titus

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Also what about my posts doesn't make sense? you all keep saying that yet you fail to quote directly pin point what are you talking about?

you have concerns about my stance about that shiro-cerb thing yesterday? or do you have concern about my reads or how I develop them? cause I certainly did nothing about evaluating my reads so far this day phase as I was busy and all I could afford to do was keeping up with game and phone commenting for most day about the current things which were getting discussed

1) Yes I do “scenario” testing/“AB” testing as you’re calling it. However only when there are no other possibilities do I share the theory and how I got where I am. Otherwise I keep the theory to myself and ask enough questions to see if it is valid and if I have a reasonable doubt or I am trying to find out where in my logic it is.

2) The reads and how you are developing them. It feels like you’re suggesting stuff and seeing what sticks. I also didn’t see how you were trusting Shiro without the confirmation in place.

3) We’ve been having a discussion about what doesn’t make sense and yet I am not quoting it. What?

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confidence that creature is town: a relatively weak 64.6%

Lol

The only thing that would have made this even funnier, is if Numbers had said it.

I don’t like this exchange.

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yeah the pool should be correct.

Also shiro claim is like an inno claim on me too cause I would not give cerb power and kill them in same night if I was scum. But if he is scum that is a false inno. regardless i can't be scum unless if shiro is already scum too

The same equally works for me though because whether or not I gave Ank a power is verifiable.

This is why Shiro needs to talk to Ank. I agree, It would be incredibly idiotic for scum to kill the same player they gave a power too. I mean, why would they do that as opposed to lying about it and give to to one of their teammates?

We’ll find out one way or the other once Shiro talks to Ank.

Could have Ank selected Siren’s Call instead of SM and been killed by mistake?

Can anybody check this?

I got my question all lined up to make sure Ank is there. But again this would confirm what you did or did not do with your powers. Who do you read? Talk reads

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Oh yeah titus said my content D1 was Great and my content D2 was bad.
And apparently liked "my votes" D3 (in which, the only one i voted was shiro and i unvoted later)
VOTE: Titus

+ fucking one

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Based on 123456789's slight defenses of the slot while generally ignoring it. Scum tend to try and avoid constantly engaging their team unless they are bussing, especially early on. 123456789 doesn't engage Sando at all, and tends to be dismissive of the slot (and even calls it town on occassion) the few times the name comes up, despite defending the activity of Sando, which apparently was pretty minimal. Bear in mind, the amount of times 123456789 even mentions Sando in his ISO is an extremely small number.

Comparatively, he's constantly calling Titus and Frozen Angel scum early on in the game, which makes me more likely to trust those slots to be town.

Listen. I'm not about to read and evaluate 180 pages of a game I replaced into. I took a very simplified approach and analyzed the vote counts and dead scum ISO, and that's the basis of my play starting today.

Omfg

If I hear again “generally”
Or “people do X usually so Y must be true” I am gonna rip some of my damn hair out

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stungun scum reading my slot based on a post that was made on page 2 of a game, which is still basically RVS, is kind of ridiculous. I'm not even entirely sure how serious Molla was with that post, and there is literally nothing I can do about it either since it was my predecessor who posted it and I don't know what frame of mind he was in when he posted it.


I can do this however...
"Fuck you Molla for making a shitty RVS stage post that I, as your replacement, disagree with 153 pages later."

Rereading RVS is a great way to catch scum. Hell in one of my good games I caught scum page one. Everything present is useful for us to find scum.

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@toogeloo, you have the power to change my mind if you do enough things that i attribute to being pro-town. however, between the two slots when replacing in, i notably had a much bigger townread on one than the other - and that’s hard to shake given that my townreads have been on fire this year (i have not gotten even one lean wrong yet — except in instances where i’ve distorted it to include scum partners, but it’s bound to happen i suppose).

i also have a bad attention span. i tend to get distracted when trying to read consecutively for long sittings. but when i’m focused, my townreads especially tend to be accurate. so towntell and i’ll call you town. your slot looks a little better since you’ve replaced in, but it hasn’t shaken the feelings bb gave me.

The odds of 404 being scum are going up.

He needs to not say so much words and say a message or point behind them.

I tried hitting his core idea webpage and got a 404 error.

Concisely what are your thoughts?

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i got you fa! precisely what pages would you like me to read and analyze from eod?

fun fact, you of all players should actually know my alt! we together won your and my first LYLO game as town if you remember. i remember it like it was yesterday

scum better watch out if it’s fa and stungun together again in lylo. that’s all i’ll say on that note...

Ewwwwwwwww

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needs some some stats involved and proof and perhaps i’d reconsider, but i’ll refuse to encourage a crapshoot type of system myself. to me these type of posts read like paranoia-spreading scum agenda, and that inherently bothers me.

Statistically scum win more than town yet if you just random everything the odds aren't a very small margin with town, statistically it is optimal to random everything.
I think that's what Titus is talking about.

It may be optimal powerwise. However rng says > 50% we include a scum anyway.

Therefore we shouldn’t be nuking reads in the foot for that.

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@FA will respond more in depth to your walls later today.

Gonna go back to bed since I am caught up.

[MathBlade]

Speaking of which anyone with precognition that doesn’t claim it now and verify they have it and/or have access to the list from their buddies I will consider a scum claim.

So if someone took precognition and doesn’t use it today then says they took it I am calling bullshit

...Just waiting on this before I do.

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Titus has no excuse now....She needs to provide a VCA.

That means actually analyze the goddamn votes. Not just do "This vote had so and so...Town"
Here's every wagon in historical order with votes on the wagon being a hyperlink to the post and an unvote of that wagon with a strikethrough.

[[Be nice if you notice a missed vote please fucking tell me politely. There were a lot of shorthands I had to account for in my settings file.]]

WAGONS(Sort By: Chronological Data Type: Complex LSort: Off)

Note from vote counter. These votes include any vote on or off that impacted said wagon.

Spoiler: Day 1

Katsuki (1)

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zMuffinMan

[ 23 ]

Cerberus v666 (1)

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Sakura Hana

[ 30 ]

zMuffinMan (1)

~

Toogeloo

[ 31 ]

the worst (1)

~

Katsuki

[ 40 ]

zMuffinMan (2)

~

Toogeloo, Nosferatu

[ 31, 42 ]

Toranaga (1)

~

Creature

[ 54 ]

123456789 (1)

~

123456789

[ 66 ]

Creature (1)

~

123456789

[ 75 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Toogeloo, Nosferatu, Frozen Angel

[ 31, 42, 129 ]

MathBlade (1)

~

Toranaga

[ 185 ]

123456789 (1)

~

Ankamius

[ 66,

75

, 223 ]

123456789 (2)

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Ankamius, Titus

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224 ]

Sando (1)

~

Creature

[ 284 ]

Titus (1)

~

123456789

[ 392 ]

Cerberus v666 (2)

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Sakura Hana, Titus

[ 30, 468 ]

Katsuki (2)

~

zMuffinMan, Gamma Emerald

[ 23, 475 ]

Titus (2)

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123456789, Toranaga

[ 392, 607 ]

the worst (2)

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Katsuki, Ankamius

[ 40, 640 ]

zMuffinMan (4)

~

Toogeloo, Nosferatu, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

[ 31, 42, 129, 647 ]

zMuffinMan (5)

~

Toogeloo, Nosferatu, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39, Ankamius

[ 31, 42, 129, 647, 679 ]

Creature (1)

~

Toranaga

[ 75,

392

, 758 ]

Sakura Hana (1)

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Creature

[ 827 ]

Sakura Hana (2)

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Creature, Toranaga

[ 827, 835 ]

Nosferatu (1)

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Toranaga

[ 844 ]

zMuffinMan (4)

~

Toogeloo, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39, Ankamius

[ 31, 42, 129, 647, 679,

907

]

Sando (1)

~

Nosferatu

[ 284,

827

, 907 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Toogeloo, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

[ 31, 42, 129, 647, 679,

907

,

994

]

Nancy Drew 39 (1)

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Ankamius

[ 994 ]

Nancy Drew 39 (2)

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Ankamius, hebichan

[ 994, 1012 ]

Cerberus v666 (3)

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Sakura Hana, Titus, Nosferatu

[ 30, 468, 1028 ]

Katsuki (1)

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Gamma Emerald

[ 23, 475,

1033

]

123456789 (1)

~

zMuffinMan

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033 ]

123456789 (2)

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zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039 ]

Cerberus v666 (2)

~

Titus, Nosferatu

[ 30, 468, 1028,

1039

]

123456789 (3)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043 ]

Gamma Emerald (1)

~

hebichan

[ 1046 ]

Cerberus v666 (1)

~

Nosferatu

[ 30, 468, 1028,

1039

,

1049

]

123456789 (4)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049 ]

123456789 (5)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063 ]

Titus (3)

~

123456789, Toranaga, Gamma Emerald

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078 ]

123456789 (6)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172 ]

Titus (4)

~

123456789, Toranaga, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175 ]

Titus (3)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

]

Shiro (1)

~

Toranaga

[ 1285 ]

Shiro (2)

~

Toranaga, the worst

[ 1285, 1291 ]

zMuffinMan (2)

~

Toogeloo, Nancy Drew 39

[ 31, 42, 129, 647, 679,

907

,

994

,

1366

]

Nancy Drew 39 (1)

~

hebichan

[ 994, 1012,

1046

,

1175

, 1398 ]

123456789 (7)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405 ]

Titus (2)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

]

Titus (3)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417 ]

Titus (4)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417, 1525 ]

Titus (5)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417, 1525, 1540 ]

123456789 (8)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592 ]

Ankamius (1)

~

MathBlade

[ 1595 ]

Titus (6)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417, 1525, 1540, 1636 ]

123456789 (7)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

]

123456789 (8)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639 ]

123456789 (9)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst, Shiro

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639, 1710 ]

123456789 (8)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, the worst, Shiro

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639, 1710,

1725

]

Ankamius (2)

~

MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39

[ 1595, 1725 ]

123456789 (9)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, the worst, Shiro, hebichan

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639, 1710,

1725

, 1729 ]

Titus (5)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, Ankamius

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417, 1525, 1540, 1636,

1729

]

123456789 (10)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, the worst, Shiro, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639, 1710,

1725

, 1729, 1730 ]

123456789 (11)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Creature, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, the worst, Shiro, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39, Sando

[ 66,

75

, 223, 224,

468

,

640

, 1033, 1039, 1043, 1049, 1063, 1172, 1405, 1592,

1636

, 1639, 1710,

1725

, 1729, 1730, 1752 ]

Titus (4)

~

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Ankamius

[ 392, 607,

612

, 864, 1078, 1175,

1285

,

1405

, 1417, 1525, 1540, 1636,

1729

,

1752

]

Spoiler: Day 2

stungun0404 (1)

~

Toranaga

[ 1834 ]

stungun0404 (2)

~

Toranaga, Toogeloo

[ 1834, 1849 ]

stungun0404 (3)

~

Toranaga, Toogeloo, hebichan

[ 1834, 1849, 1852 ]

Nancy Drew 39 (1)

~

hebichan

[ 1867 ]

hebichan (1)

~

Titus

[ 1992 ]

Nosferatu (1)

~

hebichan

[ 2047 ]

Sando (1)

~

Nosferatu

[ 2055 ]

zMuffinMan (1)

~

Sando

[ 2067 ]

zMuffinMan (2)

~

Sando, the worst

[ 2067, 2069 ]

Sando (2)

~

Nosferatu, Drixx

[ 2055, 2132 ]

Sando (3)

~

Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

[ 2055, 2132, 2135 ]

Katsuki (1)

~

Toogeloo

[ 2164 ]

the worst (1)

~

Ankamius

[ 2196 ]

Drixx (1)

~

Sakura Hana

[ 2227 ]

Toogeloo (1)

~

Nancy Drew 39

[ 2233 ]

Drixx (2)

~

Sakura Hana, hebichan

[ 2227, 2236 ]

Drixx (3)

~

Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan

[ 2227, 2236, 2252 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Sando, the worst, Toogeloo

[ 2067, 2069, 2274 ]

Titus (1)

~

MathBlade

[ 2312 ]

Katsuki (1)

~

Shiro

[ 2164,

2274

, 2408 ]

Drixx (2)

~

hebichan, zMuffinMan

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

]

Shiro (1)

~

Sakura Hana

[ 2423 ]

Drixx (1)

~

zMuffinMan

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

]

Shiro (2)

~

Sakura Hana, hebichan

[ 2423, 2507 ]

stungun0404 (2)

~

Toranaga, MathBlade

[ 1834, 1849, 1852,

1867

,

2164

, 2517 ]

Sando (4)

~

Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald, MathBlade

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521 ]

zMuffinMan (4)

~

Sando, the worst, Toogeloo, MathBlade

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576 ]

Drixx (2)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713 ]

Shiro (1)

~

hebichan

[ 2423, 2507,

2713

]

Gamma Emerald (1)

~

Ankamius

[ 2742 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

the worst, Toogeloo, MathBlade

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

]

Drixx (3)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Sando

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746 ]

Myloninja13 (1)

~

zMuffinMan

[ 2811 ]

Drixx (2)

~

Sakura Hana, Sando

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

]

Drixx (3)

~

Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888 ]

zMuffinMan (2)

~

Toogeloo, MathBlade

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

]

Drixx (4)

~

Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki, the worst

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888, 3032 ]

Drixx (3)

~

Sando, Katsuki, the worst

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888, 3032,

3075

]

Myloninja13 (2)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana

[ 2811, 3075 ]

Drixx (2)

~

Sando, Katsuki

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888, 3032,

3075

,

3079

]

Myloninja13 (3)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst

[ 2811, 3075, 3079 ]

Myloninja13 (4)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Toogeloo, MathBlade, hebichan

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

, 3184 ]

zMuffinMan (4)

~

Toogeloo, MathBlade, hebichan, Creature

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

, 3184, 3212 ]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Toogeloo, MathBlade, Creature

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

, 3184, 3212,

3233

]

Myloninja13 (4)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270 ]

Myloninja13 (5)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321 ]

Myloninja13 (6)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan, Kokichi Oma

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360 ]

Sando (2)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

]

zMuffinMan (3)

~

Toogeloo, MathBlade, Drixx

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

, 3184, 3212,

3233

,

3263

, 3411 ]

Drixx (3)

~

Sando, Katsuki, Nancy Drew 39

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888, 3032,

3075

,

3079

, 3434 ]

Myloninja13 (7)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448 ]

Myloninja13 (8)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495 ]

Myloninja13 (9)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524 ]

Sando (3)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530 ]

Sando (4)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Creature

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571 ]

Myloninja13 (8)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524,

3571

]

Sando (4)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571,

3575

, 3583 ]

Sando (5)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571,

3575

, 3583, 3618 ]

Sando (6)

~

Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius, Creature

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571,

3575

, 3583, 3618, 3693 ]

Drixx (1)

~

Sando

[ 2227, 2236, 2252,

2423

,

2507

, 2713, 2746,

2811

, 2888, 3032,

3075

,

3079

, 3434,

3524

,

3787

]

Myloninja13 (9)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Katsuki

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524,

3571

, 3575,

3693

, 3787 ]

zMuffinMan (2)

~

Toogeloo, Drixx

[ 2067, 2069, 2274, 2576,

2746

,

3032

, 3184, 3212,

3233

,

3263

, 3411,

3798

]

Myloninja13 (10)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Katsuki, MathBlade

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524,

3571

, 3575,

3693

, 3787, 3798 ]

Sando (5)

~

Nosferatu, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius, Creature

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571,

3575

, 3583, 3618, 3693,

3805

]

Myloninja13 (11)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Katsuki, MathBlade, Gamma Emerald

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524,

3571

, 3575,

3693

, 3787, 3798, 3805 ]

Sando (4)

~

Nosferatu, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

[ 2055, 2132, 2135, 2521,

2576

,

3411

, 3530, 3571,

3575

, 3583, 3618, 3693,

3805

,

3810

]

Myloninja13 (12)

~

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Katsuki, MathBlade, Gamma Emerald, Creature

[ 2811, 3075, 3079, 3176,

3184

, 3270, 3321, 3360, 3448, 3495, 3524,

3571

, 3575,

3693

, 3787, 3798, 3805, 3810 ]

Spoiler: Day 3

Titus (1)

~

hebichan

[ 3822 ]

Sando (1)

~

Nosferatu

[ 3824 ]

Sando (2)

~

Nosferatu, Creature

[ 3824, 3849 ]

the worst (1)

~

Katsuki

[ 3893 ]

Sando (3)

~

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma

[ 3824, 3849, 3905 ]

Shiro (1)

~

MathBlade

[ 4044 ]

Shiro (2)

~

MathBlade, Sakura Hana

[ 4044, 4050 ]

Shiro (3)

~

MathBlade, Sakura Hana, Frozen Angel

[ 4044, 4050, 4052 ]

Shiro (2)

~

MathBlade, Frozen Angel

[ 4044, 4050, 4052,

4108

,

4167

, 4227 ]

Sando (4)

~

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma, Toogeloo

[ 3824, 3849, 3905, 4493 ]

Titus (2)

~

hebichan, stungun0404

[ 3822, 4510 ]

Titus (3)

~

hebichan, stungun0404, Sakura Hana

[ 3822, 4510, 4514 ]

Sando (5)

~

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma, Toogeloo, MathBlade

[ 3824, 3849, 3905, 4493, 4561 ]

Titus (4)

~

hebichan, stungun0404, Sakura Hana, MathBlade

[ 3822, 4510, 4514, 4587 ]

Sando (5)

~

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma, Toogeloo, Titus

[ 3824, 3849, 3905, 4493, 4561,

4587

, 4620 ]

Katsuki (1)

~

Shiro

[ 4682 ]

[MathBlade]

Now I'll catch up on the rest of this after work.

[MathBlade]

Speaking of which anyone with precognition that doesn’t claim it now and verify they have it and/or have access to the list from their buddies I will consider a scum claim.

So if someone took precognition and doesn’t use it today then says they took it I am calling bullshit

...Just waiting on this before I do.

Anyone else with precognition has until tonight to speak up. Otherwise I am gonna post the list.

[MathBlade]

thinking kokichi is very likely town here, his play here seems very consistent with what i’ve seen out of town kokichi on my alt. kokichi > katsuki in order of likelier to flip town in terms of strength of read

town (strongest to weakest) —> zmuffinman, kokichi oma, sando, katsuki

plan to iso sando and titus fully tomorrow for fa

but another point i’ll make about this particular post here

Are you trying to say that giving random people abilities is more optimal than giving one to my town reads?

Unfortunately yes, but it is mathmatecially optimal not playing mafia for fun optimal.

needs some some stats involved and proof and perhaps i’d reconsider, but i’ll refuse to encourage a crapshoot type of system myself. to me these type of posts read like paranoia-spreading scum agenda, and that inherently bothers me.

In 2006, the computer scientists Braverman, Etesami and Mossel proved that without detectives and with perfect players the randomized strategy is optimal for both citizens and mafia. When there is a large enough number of players to give both groups similar probability of winning, they showed that the initial number of mafiosi m needs to be proportional to the square root of the total number of players P, that is {\displaystyle {\textstyle m\propto {\sqrt {P}}}} {\textstyle m\propto {\sqrt {P}}}.[21] With a simulation, they confirmed that 50 mafiosi would have almost a 50% chance to win among 10,000.

That's from the mafia wiki and game theory. Like I said, random is better for winning but not for fun sooo

That says without detectives.

In this game there are PR roles. Also cite your damn sources. Because that looks like a load of shit.

[MathBlade]

My team assuming you all are alive will be

FA(cerb also told me that my reasonign was a bit weak),Titus,Math,Drixx.

I might skip the 5th slot

Omg no. Like Titus on that list deserves a whole ton of fuck no.

[MathBlade]

I just realised btw that I have left my pronoun on she lol xD

What pronoun would you like?

[MathBlade]

Brutally ugly posts by Shiro and Titus within the past page or two.

1.) Cerb giving the answers and Shiro providing them tells us nothing about Shiro other than that Shiro is using SM power. When I pointed out earlier that honest!Shiro was not necessarily town, Shiro readily acknowledged that. Now the confirmation that the Cerb convo is real happens and Shiro is campaigning for leader?

2.) Titus pretending there isn't a mountain of reasons to suspect her and trying to hand wave anything I might say away by claiming all I'm doing is "fighting" her. I mean ... at this point I'm only even reading Titus posts to sanity check myself on the opinion she's scum. Trying to provoke me into shitting all over the thread by invoking the "crazy" label just doesn't seem like a town move by Titus. Town!Titus tries to make town blocks and build synergy.

@Cerb - The question for this 24 hours: What was the first thing we really talked about years ago which was the catalyst for us going from casual acquaintances to good friends?

+1

I nominate Drixx for leader.

[MathBlade]

1) yes we established cerb was being weird. I was fighting you and drixx who was all over the place saying "Shiro is confscum for this" cause that wasn't making any sense from scum shiro + I was saying shiro should die if they don't prove themself eventually and I put my vote on them to show my stance.

This is actually false and so is your recent post in the P. Edit.

You flat out said numerous times together with Drixx that stuff I was saying never come from Cerb ever.

@Drixx

Cerb says that maybe he wants everyone to suspect me so he can create associatives like he would do if he was alive by acting scummy/arrogant.

Or maybe he doesn't trust me enough to confirm me so I dont start saying shit he isn't telling me after I confirm the link.

This is not coming from cerb ever

Titus calling dirxx crazy with his posts makes no sense.

Shiro is scum unless if she can prove she has a chat with cerb.

Like here. For example.

Damn I like this post.

Have a null read.

[MathBlade]

If that isn't the definition of flip floppy, I'm not sure what is.

lmao, my town game can be very flip-floppy at times, but you’d never ever see that sort of flip-floppiness in my scum game. your own post shortly after read as unnecessary — but i don’t think it implies you are scum.

@mathblade, what is eww about my post. why should i shield that we’ve won a game together before? also gives her a hint of what to expect regarding my townplay —> even though the game we played together was micro and this is much different as it is a large game. scum could easily say ‘eww’ to something just to bring attention to it —> so explain what you have bad feelings about please.


meanwhile, i’m gonna work on cracking this game further. i’ll be back with more shortly!

It’s not about shielding or accepting. It’s more like a “bragging” nature. It’s like you’re trying to be a macho arrogant type about what you’re saying rather than simply stating it.

[MathBlade]

and yeah that should never come from cerb

I'm not sure why would he ever say stuff like that

It's ridiculous and let me be blunt: stupid to think math and you would get fake credit for him confirming to us as a reason for not doing it.

All it would demonstrate is that I know Cerb?

And like as pointed out part of the question was searchable.

The why was buried in a PT so with the size of that game I felt cool asking it.

Like there would be like no credit? I am confused about how I would get fake credit when there is none here and any credit I get would be justified.

[MathBlade]

What if...

We collect all the what ifs...

???

Profit


On a more serious note, I did a tentative visual eyeball vca Cerb for d1. Thoughts on just that?

He wants the whole thing, doing this tentative eyeball thing to appease him is concerning especially cause you have said it is hard to do it when scum.

+1 There are definitely some weird interactions I feel on day one and I wanna see how those show up on your VCA. If you’re scum as I think you are then this would force you to give us townreads that we can evaluate.

first off, this question still applies.

What question?

VOTE: Mylo

why did you vote mylo here though, @kokichi?

VOTE: Mylo

why did you vote mylo here though, @kokichi?

needs some some stats involved and proof and perhaps i’d reconsider, but i’ll refuse to encourage a crapshoot type of system myself. to me these type of posts read like paranoia-spreading scum agenda, and that inherently bothers me.

The vast majority of Titus' play has been really, really poor game theory, the idea that Titus is advocating "optimal" play is laughable.

Math feels that Titus is typically a god of the game-theory, and that being bad here is scum indicative. I think it's scum indicative due to not actually using the game theory to scumhunt.

I absolutely agree with the theories titus was spewing with randomization is scum-indicative, and i’m also more inclined looking at it to think scum would want one of their own as leader at some point so they can feed pr’s to other members of their faction. frozen angel getting elected twice is probably town-indicative, as i know I would find it to be too attention-splashing in the instance i were to be scum and my partner was fa to elect her twice because it would feed on paranoia of her being scum, and make it hard for her to find wiggle room if she slips up. so fa> titus for town easily. because purely i find titus to be sketchy, i have to ask did titus ever reveal who they dished pr’s out to?

First easy part first she claimed who she would give power to towards the end of day two.

Second off, I agree that FA is Townier than Titus but she still pings me on occasion and being seen as town and elected as such is Not alignment indicative. It’s indicative on what the group thought is. Secondly I voted for FA but anyone voting for Ank would have their votes meaningless due to her death. Therefore FA would be the defacto leader due to the setup at EOD. If this was without the two pronged suggestion it would be alignment indicative. Do I think FA is town gun to my head yes, but I am no where near as sure as I was d1.

needs some some stats involved and proof and perhaps i’d reconsider, but i’ll refuse to encourage a crapshoot type of system myself. to me these type of posts read like paranoia-spreading scum agenda, and that inherently bothers me.

Statistically scum win more than town yet if you just random everything the odds aren't a very small margin with town, statistically it is optimal to random everything.
I think that's what Titus is talking about.

i stand by my assertion that i don’t think it’s statistically optimal at all. a human mind’s filter is much more trustable if it’s town and has experience playing than the filter of some randomizer. again, it’s probability > possibility.

What if...

We collect all the what ifs...

???

Profit


On a more serious note, I did a tentative visual eyeball vca Cerb for d1. Thoughts on just that?

He wants the whole thing, doing this tentative eyeball thing to appease him is concerning especially cause you have said it is hard to do it when scum.

+1 There are definitely some weird interactions I feel on day one and I wanna see how those show up on your VCA. If you’re scum as I think you are then this would force you to give us townreads that we can evaluate.

i don’t like how you are spelling this plan out. what are the odds that if he’s scum now that he includes odd townreads on partners in his townread section? you’re much better going about this if you are town by just asking for townreads + evidence backing them up and NOT spelling out your plan. on a strictly motive basis, i’m scumreading you right now for this post.

First of all that is wifom second of all if Titus is scum and does this it will be obviously bad. VCA by definition has townreads and scumreads. Titus knows that the VCA will be analyzed regardless of her alignment. This looks like an excuse to scumread me

btw, i’m presently voting titus @all, as i pm’d the mod about missing my initial vote.

i seen cerb was killed n1 (and guess what i townread like their first 2 posts when i entered this thread the first time before i saw their flip - and i got it right)!

so how does shiro have access to talking with them? i’m thinking shiro is likely town if he/she is not withholding any information from their discussions.

still catching up... developing the motivation to go on a posting spree here!

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Hell anyone can go see any “good” scum game and know this is a load of crap. :/

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I could also lynch Katsuki at this rate, in M'sT he fought hard to get his scumread lynched even with a fake claim, but here he's just memeing.

I am curious what do you think about Muffin?

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update

town (from likeliest to least likely) —> zmuffinman, kokichi oma, sando, frozen angel, katsuki
null/need more content to sort: toogeloo (toog’s posts > bbmolla’s in looking town but need more content to officially sort them), creature (i’m always frustrated trying to sort him for whatever reason —> he reads like not mafia part 2 to me).
scum (most to least likely): titus, mathblade (initially thought is i think these two are partners after reading mathblade’s 4587 which does not read to me as genuine at all).

Also what about my posts doesn't make sense? you all keep saying that yet you fail to quote directly pin point what are you talking about?

you have concerns about my stance about that shiro-cerb thing yesterday? or do you have concern about my reads or how I develop them? cause I certainly did nothing about evaluating my reads so far this day phase as I was busy and all I could afford to do was keeping up with game and phone commenting for most day about the current things which were getting discussed

1) Yes I do “scenario” testing/“AB” testing as you’re calling it. However only when there are no other possibilities do I share the theory and how I got where I am. Otherwise I keep the theory to myself and ask enough questions to see if it is valid and if I have a reasonable doubt or I am trying to find out where in my logic it is.

2) The reads and how you are developing them. It feels like you’re suggesting stuff and seeing what sticks. I also didn’t see how you were trusting Shiro without the confirmation in place.

3) We’ve been having a discussion about what doesn’t make sense and yet I am not quoting it. What?

regarding 1). if what is bolded here is true, then why on earth are you spelling out your townread plan of shiro by basically feeding him what you are looking for in terms of scumminess? particularly where you say “when there are no other possibilities do i share the theory” —> this implies inherently you are more cautious with spelling out plans, if town, than what you did regarding shiro. so, overall this statement looks bad to me.

First off, if I mention all possible options that is clearly different than trying to hide or omit an option. That is the difference here. Again I cannot be actively hiding an option if all are considered openly. And me, cautious hahahahabababababahaha uhmmmmn *blinks* I also have no “plans” toward any user or anything else so you lost me here. I am not and do not feed anyone answers as any alignment. Again I am completely confused by what you are saying here and it feels like you’re trying to be townie versus being town, which I don’t think you can be.

regarding 2). i’m getting the feeling that you are suggesting stuff and seeing what sticks, so for you to use this as a potential scum argument against fa is a pretty weak case.

Again I come up with a theory and see if it stands up to scrutiny. Suggesting that I am directly manipulating people by doing such is blatantly false and something I do not do as scum. In nearly every scum game I have I am a leader but I generally don’t have to manipulate town. They just fuck up and I agree with the bullshit. When I am scum I have a general rule if I have to manipulate I have already lost. I save it for when it matters and as town I never do it. So again you posit something false to OMGUS me for reading you.

Also what about my posts doesn't make sense? you all keep saying that yet you fail to quote directly pin point what are you talking about?

you have concerns about my stance about that shiro-cerb thing yesterday? or do you have concern about my reads or how I develop them? cause I certainly did nothing about evaluating my reads so far this day phase as I was busy and all I could afford to do was keeping up with game and phone commenting for most day about the current things which were getting discussed

1) Yes I do “scenario” testing/“AB” testing as you’re calling it. However only when there are no other possibilities do I share the theory and how I got where I am. Otherwise I keep the theory to myself and ask enough questions to see if it is valid and if I have a reasonable doubt or I am trying to find out where in my logic it is.

2) The reads and how you are developing them. It feels like you’re suggesting stuff and seeing what sticks. I also didn’t see how you were trusting Shiro without the confirmation in place.

3) We’ve been having a discussion about what doesn’t make sense and yet I am not quoting it. What?

confidence that creature is town: a relatively weak 64.6%

Lol

The only thing that would have made this even funnier, is if Numbers had said it.

I don’t like this exchange.

what

don’t you like about it.

The percentage seems wrong and it feels like you’re assigning a number to buddy and then Nancy comment...it feels wrong

Also what about my posts doesn't make sense? you all keep saying that yet you fail to quote directly pin point what are you talking about?

you have concerns about my stance about that shiro-cerb thing yesterday? or do you have concern about my reads or how I develop them? cause I certainly did nothing about evaluating my reads so far this day phase as I was busy and all I could afford to do was keeping up with game and phone commenting for most day about the current things which were getting discussed

1) Yes I do “scenario” testing/“AB” testing as you’re calling it. However only when there are no other possibilities do I share the theory and how I got where I am. Otherwise I keep the theory to myself and ask enough questions to see if it is valid and if I have a reasonable doubt or I am trying to find out where in my logic it is.

2) The reads and how you are developing them. It feels like you’re suggesting stuff and seeing what sticks. I also didn’t see how you were trusting Shiro without the confirmation in place.

3) We’ve been having a discussion about what doesn’t make sense and yet I am not quoting it. What?

confidence that creature is town: a relatively weak 64.6%

Lol

The only thing that would have made this even funnier, is if Numbers had said it.

I don’t like this exchange.

@toogeloo, you have the power to change my mind if you do enough things that i attribute to being pro-town. however, between the two slots when replacing in, i notably had a much bigger townread on one than the other - and that’s hard to shake given that my townreads have been on fire this year (i have not gotten even one lean wrong yet — except in instances where i’ve distorted it to include scum partners, but it’s bound to happen i suppose).

i also have a bad attention span. i tend to get distracted when trying to read consecutively for long sittings. but when i’m focused, my townreads especially tend to be accurate. so towntell and i’ll call you town. your slot looks a little better since you’ve replaced in, but it hasn’t shaken the feelings bb gave me.

The odds of 404 being scum are going up.

He needs to not say so much words and say a message or point behind them.

I tried hitting his core idea webpage and got a 404 error.

Concisely what are your thoughts?

conciseness does not = scum. you are pushing it there. my thoughts are that toog is null atm, and you are presently scum imo. if that’s the scum argument you are pushing, then why aren’t you also pushing it against frozen angel, who had some pretty long dialogues on that same page? besides, i’m never truly concise after replacing into town games.

I was not pushing you for conciseness/lack thereof. I wanted your opinion in a concise manner. Some players are verbose in nature some aren’t some are rapid some aren’t. I want to see you state things simply to see if you are capable and if it is genuine

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btw mylo’s a strong townplayer imo, so what about his wagon makes it seem like it’s all town? i’m sure scum would have motive to join a mylo lynch wagon too.

plus, your vca is underwhelming titus, which is suggestive of a vca i provided in a recent scum game i finished wherein i was called out for being extremely underwhelming in deriving things from the vote count. i feel that same way about yours — so still scumreading you.

Why? This is the first I have heard/seen them and they were a lurksac who refused to play.

How is refusing to play “good”?

And even if he was that has no bearing on alignment of people on it. Beeboy is good town on Civ Mafia and that d1 wagon all town.

Mathematically it’s more likely scum is on it but this reasoning is again bad. Ugh. I am pretty sure this is scum.

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town (from likeliest to least likely) —> zmuffinman, kokichi oma, sando, frozen angel, katsuki

Btw how does somene that tried to buddy FA and then come to the conclusion that kokichi (non presence) and sando (FA's scumread) are townier than FA is beyond me.
What kind of thought process goes in here.

I have been asking this in my head a while now. I don’t think there is a thought process.

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i'm having an issue with several players posts not adding to the thread properly, and making this catch-up more difficult, so i may have incorrectly attributed them to mainly being fa.

@mathblade: i don't know how your quote got there, i'm referring to the one i asked kokichi. i may have incorrectly quoted you. i'm starting to get lowkey frustrated at how my quotes keep showing up as doubles/now misattributed quote, as i was referring to the quote i placed below that.

Give me a post number.

I am at work phone posting and finding a random post is not on my to do list or you can wait til I get home.

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and yeah that should never come from cerb

I'm not sure why would he ever say stuff like that

It's ridiculous and let me be blunt: stupid to think math and you would get fake credit for him confirming to us as a reason for not doing it.

All it would demonstrate is that I know Cerb?

And like as pointed out part of the question was searchable.

The why was buried in a PT so with the size of that game I felt cool asking it.

Like there would be like no credit? I am confused about how I would get fake credit when there is none here and any credit I get would be justified.

Okay, I’m really getting confused about the math Math thing now. How do you get credit for Drixx’s math question?

Uhmmm I don’t even understand what you’re asking me here?
I have my own question as FA said?

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Hey just got done with a brutal work shift is there anything that needs my attention immediately or am I good to post the precog and crash?

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TMI?

I don't know what it stands for but it means extra knowledge about what players alignments are. You are repeatedly accusing me of knowing your alignment which is what I'm trying to show is wrong.

Too much insight perhaps?

huh that makes sense

The phrase is actually too much information.

It’s also used if someone gets waaaay too personal

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Duckling is scum here btw, and that vote was disgustingly obvious there buddy

Who is duckling?

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Hey just got done with a brutal work shift is there anything that needs my attention immediately or am I good to post the precog and crash?

Precog
Doc RB BP Duplication Siren’s Call +Strongman&Strongwilled

Gonna crash if no one has anything for me.

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By duplication it means take targeted thing you have hit two people.

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Cerb says care with sando votes cause he is reaching lynch threshold.

He also said that he doesn't want fa elected leader ever again in the game because of ank dying over her and each time scum kill someone else over her it is valuable info.

He also believes that scum having factional strongman should be taken as the default not the unlikely scenario.

There is power negation which makes their factional kill nearly strongman anyway. I doubt they have more mechanics to do that

Actually I doubt this

Strong man + willed is coming up tomorrow.

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Cerb says care with sando votes cause he is reaching lynch threshold.

He also said that he doesn't want fa elected leader ever again in the game because of ank dying over her and each time scum kill someone else over her it is valuable info.

He also believes that scum having factional strongman should be taken as the default not the unlikely scenario.

There is power negation which makes their factional kill nearly strongman anyway. I doubt they have more mechanics to do that

Same. I disagree with his assessment that scum have factional abilities other than the kill.

...I am confused who is saying what now?