VOTE: hiplopIn post 19, hiplop wrote:ya im scum plz let me win
See scumclaim... vote scumclaim.
I'm clearly his alt account.In post 33, Chip Butty wrote:Now that you mention it, you and House look eerily similar, judging by your avatars.In post 30, KuroiXHF wrote:Great. Why don't you out the rest of our scum team, why don't you?
You're not going to tell them about House are you?
...shit!
Being a jerk doesn't make one scum. Town can be jerks, too.In post 61, KuroiXHF wrote:Wow. What a jerk.In post 60, karnos wrote:I told him to signup. Where do I collect my $100 incentive for bringing a new player over?In post 22, Smithereens wrote: How did you know he's new? Scum slip of information much.
VOTE: Smithereens
Which of his two posts read scummy to you and why?
You based this on four posts... what of those posts make you think i might be town?In post 75, Bellaphant wrote:House might be town
This is true. Being multiball, scum has every reason to find the opposing faction.In post 78, karnos wrote:Scum are going to scum hunt this game, if they want to win. Being detail oriented has payoffs for everyone.
Not semantics when there are opposing scum factions of different varieties.In post 113, LicketyQuickety wrote:These are all the posts that are not just trolly garbage posts that you have made:
Semantics.In post 72, KuroiXHF wrote:DixC voted me for pretending to be mafia. He never said I was mafia.
Still doesn't address why he chose mafia over scum.In post 117, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because people make mistakes early on when it comes to talking about a game where Mafia are far more common than WW.In post 115, House wrote:Not semantics when there are opposing scum factions of different varieties.In post 113, LicketyQuickety wrote:These are all the posts that are not just trolly garbage posts that you have made:
Semantics.In post 72, KuroiXHF wrote:DixC voted me for pretending to be mafia. He never said I was mafia.
For example,why not werewolves?Why not the generic term, scum? Why specifically "mafia"?
It's a legitimate point.
Really? Are there multiple town factions that I somehow missed?In post 119, LicketyQuickety wrote:Mafia pretty much as common as Town in this game. That's another possible explanation.In post 118, House wrote:Still doesn't address why he chose mafia over scum.In post 117, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because people make mistakes early on when it comes to talking about a game where Mafia are far more common than WW.In post 115, House wrote:Not semantics when there are opposing scum factions of different varieties.In post 113, LicketyQuickety wrote:These are all the posts that are not just trolly garbage posts that you have made:
Semantics.In post 72, KuroiXHF wrote:DixC voted me for pretending to be mafia. He never said I was mafia.
For example,why not werewolves?Why not the generic term, scum? Why specifically "mafia"?
It's a legitimate point.
One way to explain that is he knew Kuroi was pretending because he, himself, is mafia.
And it's pretty much irrelevant considering the discussion is about mafia factions, of which there are more than one in this game.In post 121, LicketyQuickety wrote:Uhg. Do you really have to make this comment?In post 120, House wrote:Really? Are there multiple town factions that I somehow missed?In post 119, LicketyQuickety wrote:Mafia pretty much as common as Town in this game. That's another possible explanation.In post 118, House wrote:Still doesn't address why he chose mafia over scum.In post 117, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because people make mistakes early on when it comes to talking about a game where Mafia are far more common than WW.In post 115, House wrote:Not semantics when there are opposing scum factions of different varieties.In post 113, LicketyQuickety wrote:These are all the posts that are not just trolly garbage posts that you have made:
Semantics.In post 72, KuroiXHF wrote:DixC voted me for pretending to be mafia. He never said I was mafia.
For example,why not werewolves?Why not the generic term, scum? Why specifically "mafia"?
It's a legitimate point.
One way to explain that is he knew Kuroi was pretending because he, himself, is mafia.
I meant in the game of mafia Town faction is just about as common as Mafia faction.
Eh, that's fair.In post 123, LicketyQuickety wrote:You yourself in this post refer to Mafia as being two different mafia teams when the correct term to use would be Mafia and Werewolf. See my point now?
In post 105, KuroiXHF wrote:You said it was a false premise. That's it. You're doing something the same way a NASCAR driver going 25 MPH is doing something.
You're not doing good enough.
And at this point, I don't believe you're town.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety
Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?In post 130, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: LQ
@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?
Right, we coordinated an argument pregame, you know... before I actually replaced in.In post 133, JaeReed wrote:Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".In post 132, House wrote:Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?In post 130, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: LQ
@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?
So if we didn't coordinate it pregame, how else could we have "staged it"?In post 135, JaeReed wrote:Staged /= pregame co-ordinated.In post 134, House wrote:Right, we coordinated an argument pregame, you know... before I actually replaced in.In post 133, JaeReed wrote:Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".In post 132, House wrote:Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?In post 130, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: LQ
@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?
You're so samrt.
I'm obviously not smart if I have to defer to another player for an opinion. Still haven't asked yours and this exchange is pointless. Feel free to keep jabbing. I'm too tired to respond anyway and I don't wanna clog this up more.
So, where's my Ranger push, then?In post 148, JaeReed wrote:I was thinking that because you both know each other is your scumbuddy it was a heads up from LQ to unvote and drop that line of reasoning to free yourself up to try to push a Ranger lynch.
RVS was over before your post, so I don't buy your bullshit excuse.In post 149, pistachi0n wrote:Neither. It was a random placeholder RVS vote. I picked him because his name stood out.
You're trying too hard.
VOTE: house
Obviously I couldn't stage theatre with anyone even if IIn post 157, Chip Butty wrote:This worries me a bit. Obviously, only scum from the same faction could stage theater, since scum from different factions would be unknown to each other at this point. Sketchy attempt to throw shade on Jae?In post 132, House wrote:Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?In post 130, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: LQ
@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?
Your theory is reckless. It takes far too much blind trust in another person's ability.In post 159, JaeReed wrote:Actually, it was a question to Bella. Not an accusation to you.
And yes, you certainly could stage theatre with someone without use of scum chat for it. All it takes is you both knowing you're buddies and need to distance. I don't see why you think you need scum chat for that. I also did say that it could have been that you're not of the same faction and he's peeling you off his partner.
Point is though, it wasn't a question to you but you were eager to attempt to shut it down so I couldn't get the opinion of the person I wanted. If it's that stupid then why bother before you see what the other person's response is?
You can manipulate data to say what you want, but it doesn't change reality.In post 161, Chip Butty wrote:For the sake of argument, let's say that scum CAN stage conversations even without Daytalk. This brings us back to your question about why Jae assumed staging to be between scum of the same faction. If staging IS possible, it is obvious it can only be between scum of the same faction, right?
I really don't care what you think.In post 170, hiplop wrote:I really think house is scum
If I'm scum, why is your vote not on me?
Bullshit.In post 194, pistachi0n wrote:It was the first post I made. That's what I do when I start any game. I vote for a random player.In post 154, House wrote:RVS was over before your post, so I don't buy your bullshit excuse.In post 149, pistachi0n wrote:Neither. It was a random placeholder RVS vote. I picked him because his name stood out.
You're trying too hard.
VOTE: house
In post 153, House wrote:So, where's my Ranger push, then?In post 148, JaeReed wrote:I was thinking that because you both know each other is your scumbuddy it was a heads up from LQ to unvote and drop that line of reasoning to free yourself up to try to push a Ranger lynch.
Isn't this where you're supposed to say that I didn't push her because you called me out on it?In post 202, JaeReed wrote:Sorry I thought I responded to this. Originally yes I thought you could be aligned with LQ. Given the rebuttal by Bella and the fact that LQ peeled you off DixC, I have doubts that you could be aligned with him.In post 198, House wrote:In post 153, House wrote:So, where's my Ranger push, then?In post 148, JaeReed wrote:I was thinking that because you both know each other is your scumbuddy it was a heads up from LQ to unvote and drop that line of reasoning to free yourself up to try to push a Ranger lynch.
I'll admit you haven't pushed on Ranger like I originally thought you were freeing yourself up to do.
1) hiplop hasn't really impressed me as a player deserving of such flattery.In post 218, LicketyQuickety wrote:you are voting Hilop because you don't understand their play. I am undecided on HipLop, but gun to my head I think they are Town. HipLop is playing on a higher level than you, that is why you are Scum reading them.In post 217, Kop wrote:I think I'm pretty much up to here. Hiplop is the wagon I'd like to join the most.
House I'm reading quite high up in the town reads, along with chip butty. Ranger, slight town read, along with almost, bella. Everyone else is pretty much at null till I start looking through ISOs properly.
Scum theatre can be done without actually planning it before hand, but for that to happen, it would actually require the other person to be experienced enough to see out that it's theatre and play along with it. If the other person isn't as experienced enough, it would actually either take a little bit doing to make it less obvious that it's being setup, so I actually don't think it's scum theatre. If House flips scum, then it could be worth while looking back on it, but I have a town read on House, so I don't think it's a case I'll be looking back on.
VOTE: Hiplop
Its a weird game plan of his, and the stance he has took, doesn't necessarily add up. You really need to explain your mindset towards what you've stated, so a better understanding can be met.
Lol.
Also,
I don't. I got what I wanted out of it.In post 269, Charloux wrote:That didn't come out right... My point is, we all suck for bullying him so much!
I was already on the wagon when I "hammered".In post 271, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm pretty sure LQ is already lynched.
@Charloux:
Oh, you knew my gambit. Gotcha.In post 262, Charloux wrote:Just take a day off and cool down. Blind rage never helped anyone.
UNVOTE: LQ. There, L-2
I thought you were playing along. Not crazy about your response if you thought it was a real hammer.In post 278, KuroiXHF wrote:Huh. Fooled me.In post 272, House wrote:I was already on the wagon when I "hammered".In post 271, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm pretty sure LQ is already lynched.
I don't see scum really get pissed off after a hammer the way LQ was. I don't really give a shot about any "so what, scum can fake blah blah blah" go-to bullshit that people always fall back on when they're stuck in their confbias.In post 280, Bellaphant wrote:....can you explain how that was a townie reaction to a hammer?
like, charl looks terrible and is prolly scum, but I'm still down for lynching lq.
There is no reason to appeal to when you come back to the game to find yourself hammered.In post 298, Chip Butty wrote:On the other hand, when the temper display is a first response, it DOES look pretty bad - I think Town will resort to reason first and persist with that for a long while, but might finally get frustrated.
Again, there is nothing more to fear after you see a hammer.In post 301, Chip Butty wrote:Also, scum are afraid of being detected, and that fear can lead to anger. Town have a clear conscience.
Still deciding.In post 335, LicketyQuickety wrote:What do you think of Jae?In post 334, House wrote:I'm really liking Chip Buddy and Smithereens as town.
Maybe I've been out of the game too long.In post 189, JaeReed wrote:Hey hey Jury's still out on you, mate. Don't know what a non scum IC hippylop looks like yet. Don't have anything specifically I want to prod you about at this stage. Sorry for asking Bella and not you but I have a feeling she's townish <3 You can still try to IC me if you like! My trust for you right now is comparable to my thoughts on how good you are at CSing
Which games of mine have you read?In post 206, JaeReed wrote:I know that I tend towards disliking your style of scumhunting as town from reading games where you were town in. I tend to scumread you when you're town anyway, so it's hard for me to judge your alignment.
Paranoid of confbias here...
Joking around with confbias here.In post 208, JaeReed wrote:Is that admittance to being scum and thinking I'm on the other team?In post 205, Bellaphant wrote:Haha yeah, tbf ranger's put me low on her town reads when I'm town when she's town and scum, though! So it isn't indicative of much.
I'd've rather been scum with you. I'm still not sure you aren't.
Lq's defense to me was 'creature is scum bc of ongoing and ongoings is why ranger thinks i'm scum' which was...weird.
If it's a misrep, by definition it isn't null. Are you coaching?In post 287, JaeReed wrote:She's voting definite scum rather than probable scum. She's gotta care who gets lynched no matter her alignment. What you brought up is a null point and a misrep.In post 284, Charloux wrote:Explain the logic of not voting for prolly scum, but rather for LQ? Or you don't really care who gets lynched?In post 280, Bellaphant wrote: like, charl looks terrible and is prolly scum, but I'm still down for lynching lq.
Don't think it was intentional, just saying read the posts :p
Explain your Jae read please. He's coming across scummy as hell to me.In post 412, Creature wrote:Town reads:
Chip Butty
House (him fishing a reaction looks town)
JaeReed
karnos
KuroiXHF (gut feeling)
LicketyQuickety
Smithereens
See what I'm saying??In post 426, KuroiXHF wrote:Weren't you just complaining about confirm bias? You're doing the exact same thing, except confirm biasing as town.
"must have"? Not "did"? Not explaining how, which ones, and why?In post 441, Creature wrote:Most of my methods hasn't changed, but this is a 17-player game rather than 9-player game, so some of my methods must've changed.In post 440, LicketyQuickety wrote:Explain the difference. Why should methods change from a newbie to a game like this?In post 439, Creature wrote:In the newbie game, is this newbie?In post 437, LicketyQuickety wrote:Now you are poking holes in my arguments which you didn't do once in the Newbie game, you just sorta stated things there because you knew you were Town.In post 434, Creature wrote:Harder to do here.In post 432, LicketyQuickety wrote:You are not setting traps
I wanted to see this going on for a while.or being active
I am confident but I don't need to post every post I am town.or being confident in your towniness.
I'm not giving you people to call town out of spite.In post 461, Not_Mafia wrote:Hey House, who's scum?
Not according to the wiki.In post 540, Almost50 wrote:It goes through. A shot does not cancel another shot. However, if they both shoot someone protected by a doctor they both fail.In post 523, JaeReed wrote:What happens if scum try to shoot the same person at night? Does the kill get cancelled or does it go through?
A Doctor is a role that targets a player at Night to protect that player from a single kill made during that Night. They are not told if their protection was successful. Protection from a single kill means that if multiple players try to kill someone, they will not be saved by one Doctor's protection.
No shit Sherlock. That's what makes my quote salient to my point.In post 547, Chip Butty wrote:...but most of the time it is a symbolic penis - also Sigmund Freud (probably)
I'm saying my post is simply a correction of a faulty assumption.In post 550, Chip Butty wrote:So, are you saying your Townslip is a cigar or a penis? I'm getting confused...In post 548, House wrote:No shit Sherlock. That's what makes my quote salient to my point.In post 547, Chip Butty wrote:...but most of the time it is a symbolic penis - also Sigmund Freud (probably)
Where was it mentioned before you brought it up, though?In post 561, Ranger wrote:I dunno, it's a subject in the thread so it's a subject I talked about?pistachi0n wrote:still, why are you so emphatic that you're dead?
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one who started the discussion.
So her protege, who herself admits a lack of competence, makes a worshipful comment (Ranger is so mega-awesome that scum always kills her at the first opportunity), and Town!Ranger runs with it as gospel?In post 564, Chip Butty wrote:Jae, 188In post 562, House wrote: Where was it mentioned before you brought it up, though?
I don't often play open games, so no I didn't know what was in play.In post 566, Chip Butty wrote:Really? Can you list them, please?In post 546, House wrote:Chip you make far too many assumptions about what I and don't know.
Are you saying you really weren't aware there are no Town Docs in this game? It just seems odd that you wouldn't comment on that when you are quoting from the wiki about how Docs work.