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Wow....lots of things that require such thought. Trollie you are striking me as either VI or Scum. Your wishy washy attack on Cherry did not seem to work and when town didn't really buy it you started to revert to defending yourself saying you never did. Which of course you busted when they could quote you in doing so. Sorta of reminds me of either your attempting to bus your scum friend earlier and then when town saw how weak your argument was decide to go VI so you both look town.
Cherry, Hard to get a read off of you. You seem to use a lot of meta, esp when you are referring to your other games. Why do you keep mententing Scum wants you alive till LYLO? We are only on day 1. That makes me kinda curious about you. Your playstyle tho also strikes me as scummy. Scum do not need to scum hunt, so your "play style" of being reactive just means either waiting for a good bandwagon to strike on or merely defend yourself. Either way those are scum moves.
Toxic, You are showing good judgement on your attacks on Trollie. I wouldnt go as far as saying your tunneling him but you have definely have made him backpedal and has caused him to be inconsistent which strikes me as as you either encouraging talk so we can more effective scum hunt or hoping you can save our VI trollie.
Slander, I find you very interesting, you also poke many holes and make corrections in your post which I find very useful. I do like how to attack for reactions on people but I think we are getting to in depth on the RVS on page 14.
Idoit king, You make a lot of good arguments, and seem to tracking everyone fairly well. I am going with null on you
Parnama...You are striking me as scum...You dont have much content to what you write which makes me wary of you.
Randalle you are also interesting but I will wait for you to come back or wait till your replacement comes in.
Ab most of your attacking seem to be either against Trollie which would be a easy lynch consindering his play. but I didnt like the way to attacked Randal for posting about trollie.
So my biggest scum reads are either Trollie(if he isnt VI)
Or it would it would have to be Panama for his active lurking abilities.
Trollie
I want to know if he VI or scum...so I am going to put some pressure on him-
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I used a lot if info fro IK mega post since it seemed to have a lot of info that has occuered the last few pages. I still didnt see where paranama got replaced.
My top 3 are
Trollie for his repeated denial of cherry and was proven wrong by his own quote. Such inconsistis leans scum.
Cheery for his use of meta ...such as using his previous games to show his innonce
both which appear to me arguing and bussing each other to appear innoncent later in case one is lynched
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is randal for being overtly defensive.
btw I did post in 296 asking for help on how to format and quote and make a wall...as you can tell from my last post...I didnt do a good job which is why I asked for help.-
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They are correct in some ways. I do prefer short posts...mainly because I hate walls and that it is easier to refer to.
I truly find watching players interact as very interesting.
Toxic I do not understand why you wish to attack their game style play. I admit everyone plays different so either you are trying to save the town from making a mistake against everyone or wish to keep us in confusion. I think I should mentioned you have now confused me since I am trying to play different with my new role.-
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sorry you asking for me to clarify for you...I was writing my response...I saved what i wrote to notepad...so i can keep adding......looking for quote
In post 376, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 374, kwll wrote:sure thing...I can give more detail after i cook dinner...trying to post and cook...lol....please specify which points you wish for me to clarify and I will be glad to do so .
I think the most confusing one is the abaddon read.
I'm really not sure how any of that works.
changing topics, because I have something else to procrastinate instead of it, I'm probably going to attempt to tackle the questions put to me toxic's 288 today.-
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In post 29, Abaddon wrote:In post 27, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 21, Abaddon wrote:Eh, not convinced on that count. The chainsawing is TOO obvious to be real. More likely he's just an idiot.
So I'm an idiot for calling you out for doing something idiotic like leaving your vote in rvs while attacking someone?
So idiotic, whether I'm scum or Town, that the only plausible explanation is that it was a simple error, rather than intention. I practically said "I'm going to vote you for that, right now," then failed to bold my vote.
seems little bit off
In post 64, Abaddon wrote:Which, at present, does not include you. It's very easy to make a statement, then sit in judgment as others make your case for you.
I'm calling your bluff. I disagree with your premise, and want you to prove it.
sounds like scum trying not to be active
In post 82, Abaddon wrote:Radelle, I don't need to be unfair to find you scummy. Attacks on scum that are just plain bad only give you ways to worm your way out of it by calling foul.
You're still scummy, but I won't abide no-logic attacks just because they're aimed in the right direction. That's hypocrisy of the worst sort, and I won't put up with that.
his attacks are strong and make me wonder if he is trying not to be the kettle black
In post 118, Abaddon wrote:In post 114, Slandaar wrote:In post 101, Abaddon wrote:
Toxic's alleged reaction test is not dependent on Sable Tip's alignment, it's dependent on how people reacted to Toxic's strange behavior.
You are telling me scum will not react differently depending on Sables alignment? You are wrong. Clearly. (It also depends on Toxic's alignment)
Assume Sable is town and someone says 'Yeah, I think I see what you're saying. However, I want to see if our thoughts corroborate. What are you seeing?' Do you agree with Toxic that is a good indicator of town?
In post 94, toxictaipan wrote:
Absolutely. Townies are just as capable at looking scummy as scum are. That doesn't change the fact that you investigate logical inconsistencies when you find them.
Abaddons response although the question wasn't aimed at him made sense in context.
I have literally no clue what you are saying here and how it relates to what I said at all. Explain it to me.
You seem to be completely missing the point.
Yes, there will be a small variance depending on whether Sable Tip is scum or not, but let's follow that postulate the rest of the way. You're tacitly saying that the only real purpose of the reaction test was to catch Sable Tip's scumbuddies geeking out based purely on a bald declaration of suspicion. That's utterly absurd.
Like I said, you're completely missing the point. The reaction test, as stated, has very little to do with Sable Tip's alignment, or with which alignment Toxic assigned to him. Toxic took a thoroughly neutral post and made a bold declarative statement, then refused to back it up. The reaction test was for peoples' reactions toToxic'sactions, not Sable Tip's post. He could have emphatically declared Sable Tip Town while refusing to explain why for a near-identical effect. The slight variance of whether Sable Tip was scum or not utterly pales in comparison to the far more distinct question of how people would react to Toxic's actions.
Get your head out of your ass, Slandaar. This is obtuse and narrow-minded, even for you.
seems like we are starting to really act...perhaps distancing?
In post 120, Abaddon wrote:^This absolutely reeks of opportunism.
Seriously rethinking my NewTown position on Cheery Dog.
Bah, this thread has way too many scummy players and far too few Townie ones.
Now...why would we be saying this? Are we attempting to hide our scum by being the only active player playing at this time and strongly arguing? Which makes me wonder later if he is bussing his partner later on. This could also be a town read on trying to get things started...
In post 121, Abaddon wrote:Just for giggles:
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Abaddon
Leaning Town
toxictaipan - I've come around on his reaction test, or maybe just convinced myself through shooting down bad attacks on it.
Idiotking - Generally positive behavior, nothing scummy of note.
Tommy - I disagree with a lot of his positions, but he seems to be making genuine effort.
Slandaar - Even moreso than Tommy, I disagree, but he's making efforts.
Deltabacon - Need more content, but what we've seen has been reasonably well-conceived.
Neutral
Sable Tip - Getting mixed signals here. There have been a few cases made, but the degree to which they're ineffective suggests there's not much there.
TheTrollie - Who?
JacobSavage - No content whatsoever.
Parama - Plenty of room for a replacement to redeem. This is a mostly null slot, honestly, given Parama's track record.
Leaning Scum
Cheery Dog - I've reread his ISO and I'm more strongly getting a newscum vibe now. He wants to attack anything that moves and doesn't listen to any kind of advice.
Solidly Scummy
JasonWazza - See below.
Radelle - Strong, strong gut response to her early vote on Toxic and clumsy defense of it. Creates strawman arguments against her biggest opponents, and goes out of her way to cast others in questionable lights.
Okay, so there's a lot less scum in the thread than I thought...maybe I'm mixing up overall impressions with other games.
In post 74, JasonWazza wrote:In post 72, Abaddon wrote:You didn't actually present any kind of cogent case for her to engage with. I read it as barely better than an RVS vote. Perhaps you should improve your position before issuing a challenge for refutation.
My position is fine as is, it doesn't require any more clarification, and should have been addressed by Radelle when she (is it she or he? just to stop confusion) posted.
I am questioning her posts and trying to get answers that determine her intents, why should i improve my position?
While ISOing, I noticed that I never responded to this.
Your post 52 was irrelevant. You didn't post any kind of real reason for voting, then got in Radelle's face when she didn't respond to it.
Given that this is your only real content, it was a weak attack to start with, you never clarified nor pressed Radelle for a response, and that this is what you're hanging your hat on so far, this is solidly scummy. It looks a LOT like weak bussing, then coasting. It's really hard to look at your ISO and not break the usual "no scum team assembly on Day One" rule, butI'm going to call a Radelle-Jason team.
here I direct you towards toxic and his thoughts.
In post 298, Abaddon wrote:I'm really disliking a lot of what Trollie's had to say lately. It's coming off as really disingenuous. The two-faced hedging about CD (particularly 266) and the blithe manner in which he takes things that are not conclusive and makes definitive statements about them (such and such makes this person Town or scum, 283 & 285 contain good examples).
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Vote: Trollie
I suggest an ISO...wasnt to may post in between-
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Your arguments about me being brand spanking new is true. I have one newbie game under my belt. Having a policy to lynch a newbie before LyLo is retarded...because that type of reasoning may just put you into LyLo.. In your words no matter what my alignment is you are going to attempt to band wagon on me after this day is done. That sounds like scum attempting to get easy pray.
The day is nearly done and I need to place a vote. I have a few hours so I will post again. Do know despite the wagon on trollie I am thinking on placing my vote on you for your antitown thinking.-
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maybe sherlock is overusing meta but his thoughts on absta I think are pretty on. I really didnt like the way absta is using logic for my lynch...that does strike me as very much as scum either getting an easy lynch today or setting it up for day 2. Since I have posted as having these thoughts I am going to put my vote where my mouth is.
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In post 518, TheTrollie wrote:In post 503, absta101 wrote:This one's obvious. He pointed out what he thought was a soft claim. Completely defeats the purpose of the advice, "Don't do this again..." There is no pro-town motivation to point out a soft claim.
Is there a Pro-scum motivation? Absta-scum would point this "soft-claim" out in the scum QT if he had to. Why would he need to point it out here?
HOLY SHIT!!! idk how I missed this slip earlier. ABSTA SLIPS THAT HE KNOWS THERE IS DAYTALK.
more votes. go go go. Absta is 100% scum!
Trollie I believe You have taken this quote totally out of context.
Absta was replying to Sherlocks post and was defending what he had said.
Sherlock
This one's obvious. He pointed out what he thought was a soft claim. Completely defeats the purpose of the advice, "Don't do this again..." There is no pro-town motivation to point out a soft claim.
absta
Is there a Pro-scum motivation? Absta-scum would point this "soft-claim" out in the scum QT if he had to. Why would he need to point it out here?
I believe he was saying if was actually scum he wouldn't have said anything at all in the thread but would of pointed it out to his buddies in the night talk. I do not see a "Day slip". Now why would you say this at all? Is this a way to bread crumb that you are town? Or were you hoping this would be noticed and you could use it to get yourself out of hot water in case you faced a lynch?
Trollie I would like to hear your reasoning on how you calling this a scum read. I am leaning more on scum on you for this very apparent out of context quote.
Absta, that reply to sherlock can be taken many ways, which also strikes me as a scummy. Looks more like a vague "able to make it read what I want" reply. In other words I view as a possible scum bolt hole.
P.S
reading the abilities in the first page it appears thatany groupcan have day talk.
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Mod made it quite clear. Any modifier could be for any group. so we could have a mafia day talk...or night talk...or no talk...
same for VT...and I think I remember somthing that there could be neighbors...also Tommy I have read the Mods other game....he does NOT post all roles or everything in the samples...So I am curious to your statement on how You KNOW that mafia cant day talk?-
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 78#1983878
there was a mafia roleblocker...but the sample said they had no abilities....so this makes me wonder as to the PRs in here...also the samples said nothing about a SK. That is why I am curious as to why Tommy used the wordknow.
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offtopic/ Hope everyone had a great holiday /offtopic
I am against mass claiming on Day 2. This will only allow scum better targets for their NK.
Sland, what case are you trying to make?
as for voting abaddon, I wish to hear what he has to say or if he is getting replaced.
Delta why did you wait to hammer when it was clear that town wished to do it?-
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Reading Abaddonso since I dont have much to go on since thor replaced in so recently.
My top 3 suspects are Toxic, kinetic and Abaddon.
Reasons are,
For toxic.
You are constantly getting in trouble with your reaction tests...not only did Kintiec get set off by it but also Abaddon did as well earlier in the game. Makes me wonder if this is your way of busing your partners or using AtE to make them look scummy.
For Kinectic,
Your reaction to Toxic's statment is interesting. Either your agreeing to the busing going on here or you really think toxic is full of shit and your calling him on it. Hard to tell
For thor,
Your slot looks scummy from way earlier in the game. Abaddon went into a tiffy about toxics reaction test and basically labeled him scum and then after while just had toxic labeled as fair town....
Am tired...will post more....
P.S one of you three is getting my vote.
p.s.s. I am half tempted to make you claim Thor but I have 2 other choices and I dont like moving my vote.(and we have plenty of time till deadline.)-
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