Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Cephrir]

The

Gold Dragons

are here, we're queer, and we're ready to sear the baddies!

VOTE: mastina

[Cephrir]

Nah, they're the knock-off of us. Reptiles are just wannabe dragons.

[Cephrir]

This is dragon erasure and you'll be hearing from our lawyers.

[Cephrir]

LOCKTOWN:
{Save the Dragons}

TOWN:
{Ythan}

LEAN TOWN:
{Yume, Gamma Emerald}
{Aisa}

{Cephrir}

NULL:
{Flea the Magician, Hu Tao, furtiveglance}
{Nancy Drew 39}

SCUM:
{MegAzumarill}

I may just start getting comfy with this position you've been liking for me!

[Cephrir]

I think my gut impulse is to townread both yume and Nancy for caring about this emoji thing.

[Cephrir]

4 Mafia this game is going to be tough, I can see why certain pairs which trust each other might not want to challenge as well which makes it difficult. Might have to use some group pressure to coerce someone into a challenge when the time is right. Can you challenge unilaterally or do both players in a pair have to do it?

Got anything else?

[Cephrir]

Oh, it's absolutely reading too much into things, but I think thats possibly a town thing to do.

I gave a couple mild reads, I'd say that's pretty good for me by page 4. So I don't have much else yet.

I thought you might have some takes and I felt your post was a bit IIOA/posting just to post so wanted to poke at it.

How often have you played with mastina?

[Cephrir]

ceph did you role scum lmao

No, but why do you ask?

[Cephrir]

i don't like 80 it sounds stiff

Fair enough, glad you said this and not that I can't have fun as town or something

[Cephrir]

couple other things pinged me as well

pedit @cephrir

Are you gonna elaborate

[Cephrir]

you're also always scum so it's just playing the odds really

Rude

Are you over explaining this

[Cephrir]

you're also always scum so it's just playing the odds really

Rude

Are you over explaining this

this was obviously a joke

No I know I'm just finding it curious that you felt compelled to keep adding things

[Cephrir]

Why even post this? Could be mafia

what does this mean

are mafia more likely to post random crap

There's certain random crap that seems sus to me and certain random crap that doesn't

why is "THE MORE YOU KNOW" sus

It's because it's sort of a meme, I associate memes with mafia

(Surprised Pikachu)

[Cephrir]

fwiw my meta is such a mess atp with most of my last few games on both sides being embarrassing. i don't know anything anymore i just want to have some fun

[Cephrir]

Gold Dragons

[Cephrir]

i'd prefer to get some significant reads before challenges start flying around, but i'm probably kidding myself thinking that's a possibility

[Cephrir]

I’d rather not have a challenge until Flea and the worst post
But I’m okay with the idea of a challenge on the Parrots
Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

is ythan doing any meaningful solving in your hood? it's been a while but i think my memory of her involves a general refusal to do what i would typically think of as playing mafia

[Cephrir]

If Mastina towntells, I’ll definitely see it. I’m pretty good at reading her.

On that note, it's a bit early to be sure but I

think

this is Nancy as town.

I may just start getting comfy with this position you've been liking for me!

Look I hate myself for putting you there and feel like I shouldn't on principle and you not questioning it is making me extra regretful of it but I gotta go with what I feel, especially in a game where I need townreads.

My soul does die inside every time I list you north of null tho.

Love you too, this full circle thing we're doing is great

I think I've learned to just let you be at the start and see what you do

[Cephrir]

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Reminder to myself to care about this

[Cephrir]

After a quick look back I kinda think meg could be scum. I don't see depth of thought there

[Cephrir]

I don’t understand the Ythan read at all? Duckling’s opening was underwhelming so eh? Waiting and seeing on Gamma. I would probably tl Ceph if I wasn’t paranoid of the tr, since he couldn’t tell I was town in LOST.

fair enough, take your time.

that game is definitely informing how i approach reading you in this one.

[Cephrir]

And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.

i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren't

aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles

[Cephrir]

interesting. I feel like I've not picked up the energy of any of megazu's takes and when I tried to sort in the hood megazu was like *claps* refer to the main thread

what have they done in the main thread that's supposed to be interesting to you

[Cephrir]

You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

i havent exhaustively read this post yet but this seems out of proportion to flea's like, probing and reasonably mild suspicions in your area. also strange how much you view yourself as a unit with aisa

[Cephrir]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

My myriad scumreads, of which you are one

want to share with the class

[Cephrir]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

oh right you already did never mind

[Cephrir]

And when pressed on the matter you go out of your way to re-affirm another states scumread. You feel inauthentic.

while i am currently agreeing with this it seems like furtive still has an outstanding question to you and id like to see it answered if i didn't miss that

[Cephrir]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

^this

ok i mean technically there's no question mark but it's implied

[Cephrir]

I could be wrong but I don't think gamma is calling me scum in that post

[Cephrir]

well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

[Cephrir]

well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

Ok sure I will now formally ask Gamma Emerald why I was sus and not you all those pages ago, because apparently the onus is on me now

I mean yes I don't know why she chose to not just answer the question but,

[Cephrir]

And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.

i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren't

aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles

Would love to hear what you think the motivation might be

I'll be back later with chunkier thoughts

Still curious. I contemplated letting this go but then realised I'd look like a fool if I asked a bunch of questions without others answering them and since my primary motivator in life is avoiding embarrassment at all costs, well

Presumably it means you either townread him strongly and are imo playing badly by not letting him defend himself on the off chance you're wrong, or are partners.

[Cephrir]

People really wantiing to dig into my page 5 posts while missing the context it's page 5. (furtive)
But words are cheap of course I'll have a proper catchup tomorrow for the recent explosion of posts.

(Checks watch)

[Cephrir]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

i actually have no impression of either of the iguanas so far and would be down for this

?

[Cephrir]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

[Cephrir]

well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

Ngl I'm a bit baffled by you trying to instigate between these two, why not ask for yourself?

I did ask for myself. Gamma declined to answer unless furtive asked.

[Cephrir]

Immediately in to clarify and expand on your own point. You offer your thoughts and provide two reasons for furtives "passive" behaviour.
Limited time
Not valuing sorting your teammate.

This might be an unfair characterization as I'm making it pretty much out of my ass without checking, but this makes me think that aisa seems to be simultaneously not focused on sorting furtive yet her participation in the main thread revolves around him.

[Cephrir]

I think Meg is town

Are you just being contrary or is there something behind this

[Cephrir]

Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

elaborate?

Well...something like 'fingerguns' or 'the more you know' feels a bit deadbeat, whereas Cephrir's thing about the Gold Dragons is deliberately louder so I find it less suspicious because it's asking for attention

The

Gold Dragons

are not a meme. We are very real and very serious.

[Cephrir]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I feel like this is just throwing shade whereas Gamma was actually curious and wanted to know more

I don't agree with this list. There's a chance you're right on one or maybe two just because there are 4 Mafia but none of these players are my preferred votes

Is it just me or is this a stronger reaction than you have to being accused yourself

Do you have reasons to think those players are town?

[Cephrir]

I don't recall you directly asking, I'd have to check to confirm that though.

I may not have used a question mark but I prodded at it and the response I got from gamma was "furtive should ask me then" so I waited for furtive to do so

[Cephrir]

I was hoping for a more detailed answer than yes

[Cephrir]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge. I think all four have scum equity and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

[Cephrir]

Gold Dragons got to instigate

It's pronounced

Gold Dragons

[Cephrir]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge.

I think all four have scum equity

and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

explain this pls? specifically Ythan because that's the one I think makes the least sense rn

Oh, I thought furtive and aisa were the iguanas, my bad. I meant parrots and snakes

[Cephrir]

I currently suspect both of you enough to want more information, yes

[Cephrir]

Well, that was pretty much the exact sequence of events I predicted if Nancy was town when STD mentioned suspicion of her in our PT

I have no idea what her scum game looks like but that certainly doesn't make me feel *bad* about the slot

[Cephrir]

I hate that you have figured that out

[Cephrir]

That said flea I think you shouldn't give up on Aisa happening quite yet although granted this day is probably ending in a Meg elim if she doesn't start doing stuff

[Cephrir]

I currently suspect both of you enough to want more information, yes

Piques my curiosity as I don't recall you asking me anything and I don't know how to sort you, so please do ask anything you want

I've been agreeing with some of flea's posts but it's fair to say I have been more observing you from a distance than interacting which is pretty typical of me I think

[Cephrir]

I currently suspect both of you enough to want more information, yes

Piques my curiosity as I don't recall you asking me anything and I don't know how to sort you, so please do ask anything you want

I've been agreeing with some of flea's posts but it's fair to say I have been more observing you from a distance than interacting which is pretty typical of me I think

Like a dragon, if you will

[Cephrir]

I think these posts go somewhat above and beyond
I think I see what you mean by "bare minimum" tho, I wouldn't call it that, I'd call it "short and sweet"

I'll stick with minimal. You've made little of anything, and bear minimum of questioning which is at best intrigue over serious questioning.

That said flea I think you shouldn't give up on Aisa happening quite yet although granted this day is probably ending in a Meg elim if she doesn't start doing stuff

my gods this could be atrocious....
anyway.
Why just meg and not worst? Neither are really here.

ebwop/fix

Just a vibe that more players are excited about that lim

[Cephrir]

People really wantiing to dig into my page 5 posts while missing the context it's page 5. (furtive)
But words are cheap of course I'll have a proper catchup tomorrow for the recent explosion of posts.

(Checks watch)

Wow this is the longest 24 hours I've ever seen

[Cephrir]

(you hear the sound of cephrir physically vibrating with the effort of trying not to be pocketed by a spicy townread on himself)

[Cephrir]

And cephrir and I are gold Dragons don't forget

You’re green monkeys, might as well embrace that.

That's a weird way or spelling gold drsgons

that's a weird way of spelling

Gold Dragons

[Cephrir]

drsgons

I just noticed this lmao

[Cephrir]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

why

Is this hard to figure out?? I would expect you to be looking for a scumread if you want to throw down challenges on page whatever page you originally said that on, and if you didn't have any, to wait.

[Cephrir]

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

But as Pharaoh's sorcerers were able to replicate this trick too, at least in part, Pharaoh remained unmoved.

[Cephrir]

because it's hilarious, presumably

[Cephrir]

live video feed of the olmecs malding as they realize the crowd buys that they are made up

[Cephrir]

If mastina's team doesn't challenge Meg's team, then I will

See my friend this is the issue, you can't just

offer

to challenge the Snakes in the public thread, if you do then obviously everyone will want to take you up on the offer

Is everyone afraid of being an available vote target? I'm not sure that's accurate.

[Cephrir]

Curious that meg didn't seem to even consider issuing a challenge against a scumread themselves. I guess it could be the thing Nancy suggested but I'd like to hear it from them if so.

[Cephrir]

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

Shhh let them make the mistake firsttt

[Cephrir]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

This - please don't try to outguess the mod on things that are literally openly random

I could quite happily vote either meg or duck right now. I think I'll throw some pressure in the direction more likely to produce results.

VOTE: the worst

[Cephrir]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

This - please don't try to outguess the mod on things that are literally openly random

I could quite happily vote either meg or duck right now. I think I'll throw some pressure in the direction more likely to produce results.

VOTE: the worst

Why is this the direction more likely to produce results? What results?

Because of the players in question

Posts that will help me divine their alignment

[Cephrir]

Lol ok

[Cephrir]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

[Cephrir]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

Your whole line both in this post and before it assumes that I definitely want the player I'm voting for to die which is weird considering I expressly stated otherwise when I placed the vote

I do not have no read on either player and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have stated suspicion on both of them more than once

[Cephrir]

Well, mastina will think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

There isn't a disagreement here, just a pre-emptive "meh screw it"

I'm guessing Yume suggested it in the PT and mastina said 'no that's bad', which is what I mean by disagreeing.

You know what they say about assuming

[Cephrir]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

Your whole line both in this post and before it assumes that I definitely want the player I'm voting for to die which is weird considering I expressly stated otherwise when I placed the vote

I do not have no read on either player and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have stated suspicion on both of them more than once

Y...yes

You don't read my posts, do you?

I am voting the worst in the hopes that my vote will cause him to post more. I think meg will not post more either way. This isn't rocket science

[Cephrir]

I don't know what it is about me that makes people forget what words mean in order to find ways to doubt me

Should I go find pressure in the dictionary

[Cephrir]

Aisa asked right before I was gonna but I'd like to add to the call to Nancy to, if you could, try to explain that read in a way I can grok

[Cephrir]

I wish this was more motivating than it is I just feel like I'm waiting for megazu to do something and if they don't I'm probably dead ig?

[Cephrir]

I was waiting for one or both of them to do something, but if they're not going to, then I guess we do just have to pick. I'd have to read back because right now I don't have much reason to care either way. Maybe I would vote tw right now mainly because post 614 irritates me

[Cephrir]

In Pokemon large theme, I recall he made a few extremely scummy posts then pretty much ghosted the thread.

you...uh...wouldn't classify his posting this game as making scummy posts and ghosting the thread?

To some extent but he was way more obviously scum in that. He might just be playing a lot better here. What is different is he doesn’t sound so off. It’s extremely frustrating to me. I would like Mastina or someone else to explain why Mega > duckling, since we need to pick one.

If this is "a lot better" I'd hate to see the other game

[Cephrir]

Does town-meg lurk less?

[Cephrir]

I've been thinking back to diffusion of power where town meg felt, if not super invested, at least present and had opinions

[Cephrir]

This game nightless right. What if we just voted off everyone apart from me and Aisa

You misspelled "flea and save the dragons"

[Cephrir]

I don't think it was a serious suggestion but I don't think it's a good strategy to put blinders on from day 1 anyway. Idk about y'all but I think scumhunting in general improves from flips

Pedit they're just my two best townread atm I think

[Cephrir]

If I had to expand hmm

Fleas tone is good I think fae's really scumhunting, I agree with some of faer reads and I think the linguistic analysis thing in particular vibed town

STD has a lot of thoughts about the game that I perceive as real but also has stuff he can't explain too, which feels legit to me, and I think he is not trying very hard to impress me

[Cephrir]

You don't have to be, although the fact you're townreading meg and not flea is a head scratcher for me

[Cephrir]

Is this the linguistic analysis?

I think that's not the only post it appeared in but yes that's the general thrust of what I was referring to

[Cephrir]

Honestly, I'd go Meg at the moment over The Worst. (Nancy will be here in a moment to tell me I'm wrong no doubt ) because absolutely the elimination needs to be in those two.

The big issue I have overall from this is I don't see that much information coming to light regardless of who of the 4 flip.

Nothing wrong with competing wagons. Maybe that will help on the info side too

[Cephrir]

Wagonomics has never been a strong point of mine despite my best efforts.

I mean I think it's not a real thing the way most people approach it, but which side of something one chooses is still information. I'm just not gonna do the whole "three scum voted in a row on this wagon so their partner must be on the other one" crap.

[Cephrir]

*is* that a valid point

i guess i could go either way on whether literal nothing is worse than functionally nothing

[Cephrir]

this is gonna sound a little wonky but she's also got a more positive outlook on this game from what i recall whereas ducky is negative and megazu is slightly negative i think? so that makes me lean a little more towards town for yume

why does this make someone town? if town were visibly winning right now i would agree with you, but in the absence of that it seems more like an individual basis thing as to what alignment those players prefer

mine is not very strong tbh but i just don't think she challenges as scum here

I think Flea’s resistance to the vote is townie but it frustrates me that I can’t make faer understand why I have that read other than meta.

But yeah, really good point, why would scum!Yume paint a target on herself like that?

have you tried explaining it more in your PT than you have here? i have to be sympathetic to not getting it if it's basically just "trust me bro"

this is gonna sound a little wonky but she's also got a more positive outlook on this game from what i recall whereas ducky is negative and megazu is slightly negative i think? so that makes me lean a little more towards town for yume

Should we switch back to duckling then? I really can’t tell which of them sounds worse to me but Mega’s ignoring the thread doesn’t look great. \_0_/

my instinct was to object to this then i actually checked to see whether meg was posting elsewhere and saw that they are and i think that might be all i need to see

[Cephrir]

i'll give their iso a last once over and see if i suddenly start caring about keeping them alive

[Cephrir]

i didn't

VOTE: megazumarill

[Cephrir]

You know what, it’s Cobra Kai time.

STRIKE HARD
STRIKE FAST
NO MERCY

I challenge the Purple Parrots

Hold up. This challenge makes 0 sense if you TR me, which you're claiming to. Motivation was...pressure on Aisa and Ythan? You know I TR Aisa. I can't see town motivation for doing this Gamma, you need to explain sharpish.

This seems like an overreaction. This isn't survivor or high school, they don't have to like the same people you like

[Cephrir]

I think Aida’s last burst of activity is a scumtell.
I’ll explain once at my computer.

I had a similar feeling

[Cephrir]

I've half a mind to double tap the snakes.

I find it unlikely to be an S/S pair but honestly I can see it being a good plan at this point.

Idk if duckling likes to bus. Based on one experience I had rolling scum with him, he didn’t but until I hear more from him, not ruling that out.

I'm not sure he really did that much that I would characterize as going after meg in any meaningful way

[Cephrir]

Mastina I feel like your analysis right now makes more sense in a void than it does with consideration to how useless meg was. If I were on that scumteam motivation wouldn't be a factor in whether I tried to save that, it wouldn't be worth saving. My only thought would be "how do I look good off this flip, because it's happening no matter what". And I think most players would be thinking the same.

[Cephrir]

Point being, I don't think the situation precludes scum from being motivated, and that doesn't mean they'd be obligated to try for a save. They could also put motivation into power bussing, or perhaps they were motivated to try for a save but didn't get time (e.g. aisa)

[Cephrir]

Gamma, why don't you have a vote down? You wanted to enter the voting phase, no?

[Cephrir]

Point being, I don't think the situation precludes scum from being motivated, and that doesn't mean they'd be obligated to try for a save. They could also put motivation into power bussing, or perhaps they were motivated to try for a save but didn't get time (e.g. aisa)

I would also suggest they could have defended meg in the hopes it would look uninformed, but I don't think anyone really did that, so.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Aisa

[Cephrir]

Mastina's alignment will solve itself in about 3 days

[Cephrir]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

[Cephrir]

Seems that way doesn't it

[Cephrir]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack

I just thought this was funny

[Cephrir]

I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume

Hmm

[Cephrir]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge. I think all four have scum equity and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

Do you still scumread both me and Aisa?

I'm not sure about you right now, I have found myself interacting with you and pushing on things quite a bit but I suspect her more for reasons that perhaps aren't fully clear to me right now

[Cephrir]

scum are definitely going for a battle win by trying to get town out here

Why

[Cephrir]

Why can't I just agree with someone who I'm townreading

[Cephrir]

You didn't answer either of my questions

[Cephrir]

Are you just trying to irritate me on purpose

[Cephrir]

I didn't interpret the first thing as an answer it seems a lot more specific than the general statement you initially made but I guess it can be an answer

[Cephrir]

no i am not trying to irritate you

Ok then I guess I have to explicitly state "what makes you think I am not just agreeing with a player I am townreading"

[Cephrir]

But you have put forward a leading theory and I would like to know what has caused you to have that thought process

You seem to expect cohesive thought processes from me, can I get the same from you

[Cephrir]

you could but that's not what happened cuz you're scum and you're probably malding that the rest of your team is all inactive

that's my hero solve

Wouldn’t be the first time. This is the game I’m referring to with this, for reference

You figured it out gamma, because I had a bad scumteam in some other game it must be what's happening here

[Cephrir]

What makes you think that the scenario you suggested in 856 is more likely than my counter suggestion

[Cephrir]

You said "I think cephrir is scum"

So you think that scenario is more likely

I want a reason

[Cephrir]

you could but that's not what happened cuz you're scum and you're probably malding that the rest of your team is all inactive

that's my hero solve

Wouldn’t be the first time. This is the game I’m referring to with this, for reference

You figured it out gamma, because I had a bad scumteam in some other game it must be what's happening here

bruh what

sarcasm

[Cephrir]

I think we need to slow down and talk things through, especially with no deadline. I want everyone to discuss Meg's associatives, respond to my next big post and just generally digest before we rush into another vote.

i can give it a try later but i don't think we're going to get all that much -- she was probably in antispew mode by the time her big post came in

[Cephrir]

Basically you have to be eliminated

This seems like an oversimplification

Had thoughts about the last few pages but they fell out of my head

[Cephrir]

I may try to reconstruct them later if I feel like it

[Cephrir]

Nothing lol that hasn't happened in the slightest

[Cephrir]

I may try to reconstruct them later if I feel like it

Pls feel like it

I feel like y'all are going to kill me regardless at this point and that tends to make me lose interest

[Cephrir]

I guess maybe if I've got aisa right I can live

[Cephrir]

VOTE: ythan

post or perish

[Cephrir]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

sorry i guess i really am as sensitive as people say

@STD To me, the fact I've found it hard to engage / have useful thoughts on your posting is proof that maybe you haven't been as attention getty as you claim. My theory is that if you are scum, your strategy is to check in once a day, make a couple posts, throw a little shade, then slink out before you attract too much attention.

Is this not merely proof that you aren't paying that much attention? i don't think this is an even remotely fair characterization of std's posting. i'm not convinced he is definitely town, but he has definitely not been afraid to make a splash. this is some BS

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Now that I skimmed your ISO again, I see you dropped your suspicion of Nancy pretty quickly. I remember now, that was one of the things that felt sussy at the time.

One moment you were like "Hmm Nancy's tone is scummy" and 5 hours later you were like "nvm Nancy may be town now". Actually now that I think about it this might be town-indicative. But I don't think you get credit for attacking someone who defends herself fiercely, because it was a pretty tame and short lived attack.

he does get credit for that actually. based on my experience with nancy, if town she is definitely liable to perma-scumread someone for briefly suspecting her

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumption

I don’t think it’s a relevant assumption unless you think both Nancy and ceph can be scum

are you implying that this is not possible? i don't see why that would be particularly unlikely fypov

[Cephrir]

Oh and I've decided Cephy is red too.

all things revert to their natural state in due time

[Cephrir]

Oh and I've decided Cephy is red too.

I can get behind this

feel like you've wanted to get here for a long time and may now be seizing the opportunity while it's popular

[Cephrir]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

what happened to aisa

[Cephrir]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

i actually have no impression of either of the iguanas so far and would be down for this

Gamma is on my radar since posting that but am still struggling to recall anything Ythan has said. Do you have strong reads on the iguanas?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Duckling wanted to challenge iguanas but never did, so, hmmm?

Of course we don’t know his alignment but makes a helluva lot of sense for him to be scum with Mega.

i think it's weird and i called out as such at the time

im not sure if it's an associative tell or anything but it's definitely weird

[Cephrir]

I can't explain my STD read super well, it's partly vibes but I'll try.

Something about the way he is pushing people pings me as a possible scum move. Examples are:

[...]
I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

I disagree, I think Nancy vibes towny in a faily clear way. I wonder if this is one of those vibes that scum find it hard to pick up on.

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

Bahh maybe this is just unfamiliarity at furtive's playstyle, but just felt like a pretty cheap attack at the time

I got thinking about this after furtive and I talked briefly about the interactions between cephrir and STD in the hood and furtive explained that he townread STD very slightly just for being the aggressor.

That got me thinking and I don't see the particular brand and context of STD's aggression / push on the people he's pushed as town-indicative at all.

wait what didn't you just say STD was a nullread and then that you wanted to townread him after your interaction how did this happen it's a pretty janky forced push too

[Cephrir]

I'd love any responses to either 828 or 898.

what are your reads on the players you mentioned in 898? i see you wanting an answer from aisa but not you chasing her down to get one since afaict it hasn't materialized

[Cephrir]

I can't explain my STD read super well, it's partly vibes but I'll try.

Something about the way he is pushing people pings me as a possible scum move. Examples are:

[...]
I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

I disagree, I think Nancy vibes towny in a faily clear way. I wonder if this is one of those vibes that scum find it hard to pick up on.

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

Bahh maybe this is just unfamiliarity at furtive's playstyle, but just felt like a pretty cheap attack at the time

I got thinking about this after furtive and I talked briefly about the interactions between cephrir and STD in the hood and furtive explained that he townread STD very slightly just for being the aggressor.

That got me thinking and I don't see the particular brand and context of STD's aggression / push on the people he's pushed as town-indicative at all.

wait what didn't you just say STD was a nullread and then that you wanted to townread him after your interaction how did this happen it's a pretty janky forced push too

oh, i went backwards in time, my b

it's still a janky attack tho

[Cephrir]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire and it’s clear they’re not responding to it, it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

i thought ellitell was about posting elsewhere

[Cephrir]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

what happened to aisa

VOTE: Aisa

I guess maybe if I've got aisa right I can live

VOTE: ythan

post or perish

So why did you then switch your vote to Ythan?

because im not going to eliminate someone who is playing over someone who isn't

[Cephrir]

why do

you

suspect rn, Flea?

Right now I'm wanting Silver Snakes and Green Monkeys to face off. I feel it could be an interesting situation.

You definitely need some poking at some point, MegA needs to show face and follow through on what they were doing - as does Quaxley. Mastina needs to show up and do what she does.

If it was a free elimination I'd be sat on Aisa right now.

An annoyingly large pool of sus, admittedly, but we have time.

our view of the universe is dead ass the same except that I have rly low interest in fighting the monkeys lol

Since I pretty much bet the game on Gimli!scum here, this looks like a possible associative with your team and I think STD looks townier than you and your Flea!read looks quite pockety.

@Gimli, avatar compliment noted but you’re still scum. <3

sure nancy whatever you say

[Cephrir]

im not sure why i agreed to play this game when i knew from looking at the player list that i would be eliminated this game no matter what i rolled lol

[Cephrir]

i get salty as town too. i can provide examples if needed, though i'm not particularly proud of them

[Cephrir]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire

and it’s clear they’re not responding to it,

it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

i thought ellitell was about posting elsewhere

How do you NOT get ellitell from that? If a player hasn’t posted anywhere onsite, how can it be obvious they’re not responding to it?

That’s why I switched to Mega after Flea pointed that out and duckling hadn’t ellitold and but know that’s not how she’d react as town.

I extremely confident we would have gotten a scumflip either way now.

oh, sure, i guess that makes sense, i interpreted not responding as meaning just not posting at all

[Cephrir]

also, i shouldn't remind you of doubles mafia here. i think you may be forgetting just how pissed off i was in that game. this is not the same

[Cephrir]

you feel very defeatist

i am feeling less defeated than i was the other day but yes i mean the cows are coming home to roost as far as my decision to sign up for a game with a bunch of players who don't like me

[Cephrir]

you feel very defeatist

i am feeling less defeated than i was the other day but yes i mean the cows are coming home to roost as far as my decision to sign up for a game with a bunch of players who don't like me

This ate is just unnecessary

i don't do it because it's necessary i am simply a human with feelings

[Cephrir]

i believe you when you say that but i'm also observing that our playstyles don't seem to mesh very well so it's functionally similar

[Cephrir]

i believe you when you say that but i'm also observing that our playstyles don't seem to mesh very well so it's functionally similar

I scumread you in 1 other game

and i suspected you in that game also and i do here as well but im forced to acknoeledge at some point that it may be a style thing

i do regret posting that post now, i entered this game determined to keep that out of the thread and i've let myself down by not doing so

[Cephrir]

i believe you when you say that but i'm also observing that our playstyles don't seem to mesh very well so it's functionally similar

I scumread you in 1 other game

and i suspected you in that game also and i do here as well but im forced to acknoeledge at some point that it may be a style thing

i do regret posting that post now, i entered this game determined to keep that out of the thread and i've let myself down by not doing so

i guess like, it's not just the quantity, something about the quality of the experiences is making me think this, at least from my end in terms of me suspecting you

[Cephrir]

what my secret is

maybelline?

[Cephrir]

i dont really feel any type of way about gimli himself at this time but i think the worst was probably scum

[Cephrir]

Hey @Ceph, Gimli is brazenly lolcatting here. How is it that you have no read on Gimli himself only on his predecessor?

i just think he's funny, but feel free to show me if this is obvscum and my eyes just don't work today

[Cephrir]

about a third of them say something

[Cephrir]

so what are we doing today, since you can't flip me?

not sure if you've been following but gamma issued a challenge against aisa and furative

furative and gamma are kinda off the table i think (mastina might disagree about furative) so it's kinda a battle between aisa who people have been scumreading and ythan who's done pretty much nothing all game

is any of them your partner?

I wasn't following

what's your read on aisa? and ythan?

I can't dwelve into it rn but I'll try to get involved in this game later

@gimli

could you please vote one of ythan/aisa?

hi, gamma. what's the case against either, other than ythan hasn't been around and aisa people think is scummy?

why do people think I'm scum? can someone summarize?

I can potato this game and die a potato death. but I can try to solve, if it's not too annoying

don't tell me to read setup, I want you to tell me with your pretty hands what a challenge is and why you think ythan dodged it

LOCKTOWN:
{Save the Dragons}

TOWN:
{Ythan}

LEAN TOWN:
{Yume, Gamma Emerald}
{Aisa}

{Cephrir}

NULL:
{Flea the Magician, Hu Tao, furtiveglance}
{Nancy Drew 39}

SCUM:
{MegAzumarill}

How did you locktown STD? If you're still here

Spoiler:

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

Granted, the evidence for this is just one finished game, so it's not a pattern.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

VOTE: Mastina

Was vibing with this Nancy/yume interaction until the vote, which gives me pause

The quoting the conversation you literally Just had. Idk. Maybe its Just odd and not scummy though

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

Scum theathre

Furtive being LAMIST might be a good thing

Furtive I wanna be in your hood

Can you see all the posts in yours, including Meg, Hu Tao and the worst?

yes. there isn't much of anything there unfortunately

the worst posted a few reads, meg posted a few reads. they stopped talking january 2nd

so the thread is reading me scum for associatives with meg? do you think sharing details of the PT can help with that? (is that allowed?)

LOCKTOWN:
{Save the Dragons}

TOWN:
{Ythan}

LEAN TOWN:
{Yume, Gamma Emerald}
{Aisa}

{Cephrir}

NULL:
{Flea the Magician, Hu Tao, furtiveglance}
{Nancy Drew 39}

SCUM:
{MegAzumarill}

I still get a little rush every single time someone calls me Town. Humans really are creatures of instinct.

cute from aisa, vibes like a towny feeling to have

I’d rather not have a challenge until Flea and the worst post
But I’m okay with the idea of a challenge on the Parrots

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

how's that townlean going, gamma? how's PT with ythan, did she disappear from that place as well?

I'm vibing with aisa's ISO in general

you call me scum but you steal my questions so whats up with that ms nancy

please classify each of these as either a pocket attempt or a joke

[Cephrir]

are any of those posts that scum!gimli could not reasonably make tho

no

like why do those give you pause

they don't, i never said he looked town or that i didn't want to kill him tomorrow

[Cephrir]

I could painstakingly respond to furtive since his points are largely not very good or rely on an assumption that all town players think the way he does, but it seems like a waste of time

[Cephrir]

Wow 5 pages... I aint loading my laptop so ill read most of it tomorrow.

What I will say Cephy is im getting very much pocketing vibes from you. You seem to be giving no resistance to anything im doing, and low key going with it.

I agreed with you about one read

What else are you even doing for me to hypothetically resist

[Cephrir]

Am I required to have a set number of arguments per day with each player

Or am I pocketing half the player list

If so I'm very bad at it apparently

[Cephrir]

Is it just gimli and yume and we've been wasting our time

[Cephrir]

Interesting how you assumed that unvote was the only reason I could possibly have

[Cephrir]

Also: all things return to their natural state in time.

[Cephrir]

Interesting how you assumed that unvote was the only reason I could possibly have

Then what are the other reasons you have? And if you scumread me, shouldn't you be challenging us?

Lurking/demotivation

Seems to fit the pattern here

[Cephrir]

Wow 5 pages... I aint loading my laptop so ill read most of it tomorrow.

What I will say Cephy is im getting very much pocketing vibes from you. You seem to be giving no resistance to anything im doing, and low key going with it.

I agreed with you about one read

What else are you even doing for me to hypothetically resist

The fact my play is everywhere and by votes I think I'm currently the most sus person here?
It is a lot on vibe, I'm used to having clashed with you once or twice at least by this point.


Anyway, 2 down, they must really be demotivated. :/

I don't really do "by votes"

I'm trying to be gentler this game on purpose since I don't actually enjoy butting heads with people

[Cephrir]

I have no faith in mastina's proposed towncore of mastina-Nancy-Yume

Yes, the idea that anyone would include mastina in that group willingly is pretty obviously ridiculous

[Cephrir]

Interesting how you assumed that unvote was the only reason I could possibly have

Then what are the other reasons you have? And if you scumread me, shouldn't you be challenging us?

Lurking/demotivation

Seems to fit the pattern here

Also anyone challenging anyone but gimli today would be claiming scum. Perhaps you would like that

[Cephrir]

Ceph if Gimli is red who is the last airbender?

If gimli is red we have 3 scum who didn't give a single shit from fairly early on so I have to think of looking at yume/mastina for the last one

[Cephrir]

VOTE: gimli

And my axe

[Cephrir]

This "made you look" character is looking pretty guilty tbh

[Cephrir]

I don't wanna go against two people I think are towny (reading through nancy's ISO made me scratch that initial SvS read, and I get she can be over as town there), and my slot has to flip and I hope it's not my fault too much

Ceph didn’t hammer you, he put you to E-1. 6 votes are needed to elim not 5

And Flea, me, Yume, STD, Ceph only equals 5.

I'm starting to doubt you're town, Nancy. What's the point of saying this? Did I say I was hammered, or am I just resigning to my circumstances?

Are you Ceph? Ceph said his vote was the axe when he in fact put you to E-1.

it's a joke, i have no idea how many votes that is

[Cephrir]

How do you do fellow townies

[Cephrir]

Just kill everyone besides Nancy/flea/STD

[Cephrir]

Gamma can be the last one into the guillotine

[Cephrir]

what is ew about winning

[Cephrir]

i can't possibly be scum trying to promote a bad plan since i wouldn't have any partners and i'm accepting death in this scenario so ??

[Cephrir]

Still think it’s nonsensical to tinfoil me as scum

i didn't, i think you're town and the game is over long before it gets to that point

[Cephrir]

let's expedite this process

challenge red jaguars

[Cephrir]

challenge red jaguars

[Cephrir]

I, for one, will not vote mastina just yet
Even if she's scum, she cannot beat everyone here on her own.

So?

[Cephrir]

Are you sure you don't just want to keep mastina around because she'll refuse to vote you

[Cephrir]

You probably shouldn't play mafia with someone if you won't vote for them for personal reasons

[Cephrir]

You probably shouldn't play mafia with someone if you won't vote for them for personal reasons

That's your view.

Its probably also the view of like, the rules

[Cephrir]

Nothing to say about my other posts? Fine then.

Your posts that weren't directed at me and assail points I never made?

[Cephrir]

You're done. Done and over. You know you cannot refute my points, so you aren't trying.

I assumed you must be talking to someone else since it doesn't make any sense that you'd be talking to me?? I haven't said that mastina was scum for defending other scum.

[Cephrir]

I suspect both of you primarily for barely playing

Along with half the playerlist, so I'm not sure why you're so mad at only me about it

[Cephrir]

Because he ignores my legitimate meta read and is trying to lim mastina before she can say anything.

I have plenty of games with mastina myself. I don't give a shit about a meta read

I'm not even voting for mastina how am I trying to lim her before she can say anything.

[Cephrir]

Her posts are indicative of her town game, but you would ignore any meta evidence I give of such because you've already decided she's scum.

I have not said I am definitely going to vote for mastina today

Calm the hell down lmao

[Cephrir]

I suspect both of you primarily for barely playing

Along with half the playerlist, so I'm not sure why you're so mad at only me about it

'Why are you scumreading me for wrong reasons?'

Apparently it's too much to expect you to make any type of sense at all

[Cephrir]

No thanks.

[Cephrir]

We really don't need to think that hard you have plenty of time to kill both/all three of us

[Cephrir]

i want a perfect game dear

(Also at this point we legit do have an autowin. Trust Nancy, trust Yume, and with me as town, we can lim literally everyone else as need be to brute force a win. Every name you add to the town list to trust, the easier the autowin is. But idk who those are since I haven't read the game, presumably there are people who have been hard-spewed-town by this flip; I'd need to actually read the game to know who those are.)

Here's something concrete. This post. This post is why I townread her. You said you played with her, Flea, so you should know that she makes this kinda post as town. If you don't, then either we have vastly different experience with her or you refuse to see it, in which case it's on you.

You're townreading her for having a plan where she herself survives to endgame, which is exactly what scum would need in this situation, and it flies in the face of everyone's reads but yours to think it's remotely realistic

[Cephrir]

why can't she be scum who is legitimately ill

[Cephrir]

I feel like cephrir would roll red with 3 inactive slots based on his luck but I'm trying to not let that influence my decision

(harrumphing noises)

[Cephrir]

why can't she be scum who is legitimately ill

Because that's what your argument against her implies.

i think it's possible to be ill and subconsciously let that affect your posting more than it would if you were town who's enjoying the game

[Cephrir]

objectively clear I'm not scum

classic

[Cephrir]

i feel like basically the whole game must have bussed if they're scum so unless there's an argument about the quality of the read and push and why the way it was done couldn't come from scum i just don't really care

[Cephrir]

i still think it could easily be yume but clearly no one agrees

VOTE: mastina

[Cephrir]

That said flea I think you shouldn't give up on Aisa happening quite yet although granted this day is probably ending in a Meg elim if she doesn't start doing stuff

Ceph can you say a bit more about what you were thinking here?

what needs explaining? i thought you were the best lim at the time and also could read the room

[Cephrir]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

[Cephrir]

You had the power to challenge anyone you wanted at any time, so I'm trying to understand why you worded it as "don't give up on Aisa" as if a wagon on me was some unobtainable pie in the sky

my recollection is that flea was bemoaning the impossibility of eliminating you and i wanted fae to know they did have some support

[Cephrir]

they

fae* dang it

[Cephrir]

that's nice but everyone bussed them so who cares

[Cephrir]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

Cephrir doesn't care guys

it's what happens when i get ragged on a lot

go ahead

[Cephrir]

Mastina, what's your read on Flea now?

Honestly idk,

could

still be scum but less likely?
Like, significantly less likely.

Flea's posting is more town and Flea challenged/voted Gimli, so like. Unless the plan is to out-duel Yume in a 1v1 during lylo I don't see Flea's path to victory here as scum, so

probably

town?

Fae seems obvious town to me and has done for a bit, but it seemed like you quite determinedly kept faer in your poe - part of my scumread on you is that your reads have felt quite stale since gamestart

i haven't painstakingly checked whether it's true that mastina's reads are stagnant, but that is a meta scumtell for her, she probably won't deny this

[Cephrir]

If he flips town, I'll eat my shoes. Honest.

i recommend converse all stars they have a pleasant aftertaste

[Cephrir]

you can stop being toxic the game is over

[Cephrir]

yes

[Cephrir]

can you stop bickering my god

[Cephrir]

love to lose before the game starts

[Cephrir]

love to lose before the game starts

This isn't how I play, I don't think it's how others play based on what I've seen either

oh i just mean the way the game rolled this time

ive just had this experience a few times too many and i'm severely over it