Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[SirCakez]

Will Silksong come out in 2023??

[SirCakez]

Tf is going on in here

[SirCakez]

I'm reading up and also kinda drunk lol

[SirCakez]

Yo there cannot be this many scum in this game

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morning tweet she is scummiest person so far

[SirCakez]

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

I don't wanna be too focused furtive, but I'm concerned with the level of fluff not going down at any point, I think it makes it easy for mafia and he is posting too much but nothing is game advancing content.

Some people already said this but wtf this post doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

Don't really think klick is scummy

[SirCakez]

yeah? you think it's scummy?

Potentially

[SirCakez]

Betrayed by Cakez.
That stings

It's just business nothing personal

[SirCakez]

i feel like i have a good town pool and a good scum pool and like nothing in between this game

[SirCakez]

316 feels like a town reads list

agree

[SirCakez]

the color squad Red and Black are giving me some town pings off town lowkey mixing them up tho lol

[SirCakez]

where are Aristeia and Peta at
suspiciously absent from my reads so far

[SirCakez]

the color squad Red and Black are giving me some town pings off town lowkey mixing them up tho lol

actually i take this back from a quick iso all the good posts were just Black
Red's iso is a nothingburger

[SirCakez]

where are Aristeia and Peta at
suspiciously absent from my reads so far

i don't thread camp on a friday night

i mean even in game start i felt nothing from ur posts
we shall see if i get the feels soon

i feel like i have a good town pool and a good scum pool and like nothing in between this game

what are those supposed to be

Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn

[SirCakez]

Asri is driving me nuts because I always end up SRing gimmick posters so I don't want to auto do that but also like I actually can't tell if they are scum

[SirCakez]

also two people in my blind spot - Lycan and Mistyxx
who are you?

[SirCakez]

Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn

These are almost my reads exactly, wtf. I'm leaning slightly town with Gimli though. A fickle townie, but town vibes nonetheless

cool mindmeld moment
I can't get over that early Gimli post that was really bad but I think the Red push is decent

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: Black sus

I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.

Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment though

The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far

Alisae, your last post had 8 town reads.

Any scum reads?

no. Also I'm not sure why you wrote the bolded tbh.

You either had scum reads and didn't include them, or didn't have any scum reads at all. Both options seem a little odd at this stage of the game and I wanted you to clarify.

I don't know your playstyle but I get a weird vibe like you're trying to play too safe. It's easy to not step on anyone's toes or make a target out of yourself when you're coasting through Day 1 giving only townreads

This is scum working to be townread

don't really think this is accurate at all

[SirCakez]

Being scum in cosmos mafia was not fun either.
Imagine replacing in to see Nancy fighting with Mathblade for dozens of pages.
Now imagine ur teammate just flipped.

Now you have to survive for god knows how many days with no night kills.
Cosmos was bottom of my list in enjoyable scum games.

lmaooo I need to read up on this game

[SirCakez]

baltar wagon is pretty shit

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morning tweet she is scummiest person so far

you don't usually do that!

i don't? does it bother you?

[SirCakez]

Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn

These are almost my reads exactly, wtf. I'm leaning slightly town with Gimli though. A fickle townie, but town vibes nonetheless

cool mindmeld moment
I can't get over that early Gimli post that was really bad but I think the Red push is decent

it would sure make a lot of people's lives easier if whenever you had a read you could attach some kind of reason that can be engaged with or lets people see a bit into your thought processes :/

I feel like I did in that post? what else do you want to hear from me?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: aristeia this is the wagon we should be doing she literally has made 0 town posts in her entire ISO

[SirCakez]

Taly feels really town

i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly

i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.

id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.

the entirety of Ari's scumhunting everyone

[SirCakez]

hi im hungover and have brain fog so content today wont be too hot but im here

[SirCakez]

your comments are not even remotely accurate and i realize ive been too lax recently in terms of being overly nice to people who push me for completely nonsensical reasons unrooted in reality.

wow this is certainly a reasonable and townie way to react

[SirCakez]

also two people in my blind spot - Lycan and Mistyxx
who are you?

who are you?

good question i ask that to myself a lot

[SirCakez]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

his posts are always like that

[SirCakez]

wow that lolipop even comes with some free dirt.
Thanks petapan!

i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
I guess that is worth mentioning at least.

Maybe i will have to wait to see if anything i like comes from it.

i think the characterization of ari as fluff/no substance is inaccurate but i can see a player unfamiliar with the playstyle scumreading ari for it. or conversely a scum player thinking she'd be a good push. the possibilities contain multitudes or smth

ok how would you characterize Ari then

[SirCakez]

hi im hungover and have brain fog so content today wont be too hot but im here

your hood has been outed

okay cool
im not reading into it super super much cuz mod meta on hoods has been shifting around lately so i wouldn't be surprised if its all town or some combination of 1-2 scum

[SirCakez]

im starting ot think ali is scum

this is a spicy take
alisae is it true?

[SirCakez]

Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn

These are almost my reads exactly, wtf. I'm leaning slightly town with Gimli though. A fickle townie, but town vibes nonetheless

cool mindmeld moment
I can't get over that early Gimli post that was really bad but I think the Red push is decent

it would sure make a lot of people's lives easier if whenever you had a read you could attach some kind of reason that can be engaged with or lets people see a bit into your thought processes :/

I feel like I did in that post? what else do you want to hear from me?

I think I might have forgotten to answer this.
I wanted to hear why you thought the red push was decent

bc at that point Red had done fuck all and mostly been ignored and I liked that Gimli called it out. not sure what else to say on that.

[SirCakez]

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

this is such a nothingburger of a post

[SirCakez]

Can I get some votes here

VOTE: Klick

pretty terrible vote

[SirCakez]

ok yeah done reading and the scummiest person in the game is still clearly Aristeia. that was one of the worst reactions to a vote i've ever seen.

[SirCakez]

The only thing about cakez i agree with is scum cakez pushes things he thinks he can get away with as scum. Other than that, I don't see how town cakez doesn't just bad push you here given:
A) I don't think cakez remembers past games with you
B) I think cakez skims and is prone to make surface level reads/takes and therefore saw u as being "fluffy" and pushes u.

So everything here lines up with Cakez town to me.
He is more prone about giving his opinions that don't look to me like its trying to impress or care what others think. He isn't trying to appeal to anyone in particular. He is just throwing his reads at the wall of this game and doing so badly imo.

Cakez town

ok but ari's content and reactions have actually been garbage, this isn't a surface level read

[SirCakez]

fire I trust u
why is Ari town here?

[SirCakez]

i do somewhat remember previous games with Ari but she feels a lot different here then any of those past ones

[SirCakez]

ok but ari's content and reactions have actually been garbage, this isn't a surface level read

i don't feel like arguing with you on ari town.
Just know i don't agree with ur analysis at all.

I think its pretty bad and ive seen plenty of things from ari i like.

like what just say it it doesn't have to be an argument

[SirCakez]

yo fuck off why am I being wagoned

[SirCakez]

i had a dream about this game last night too

[SirCakez]

wait ill be back in an hour i started reading

[SirCakez]

i do somewhat remember previous games with Ari but she feels a lot different here then any of those past ones

in what way

use your words

you seem to be way easier to get pissed off and more defensive and I feel like you are giving less of a shit about scumhunting

[SirCakez]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

[SirCakez]

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

[SirCakez]

@Ari - like I'm very stuck up on that absurd post where you blew a gasket at me because I made like two posts saying you were scummy and should be wagoned

that feels like it's downplaying the content of those posts, you came on pretty strong in those two posts

okay I did but Ari has literally made the entirety of her game since then based pretty much only on pushing back on me and getting people to wagon me since then.

[SirCakez]

i dont think i am being misread by cakes

i think cakes scum decided it would be fun to shitpush me because he saw klick do it and it kind of worked.

i have literally never ONCE shitpushed people for fun as scum

[SirCakez]

i dont think i am being misread by cakes

i think cakes scum decided it would be fun to shitpush me because he saw klick do it and it kind of worked.

like this post is such bullshit wtf??
Ari is making shit up at this point

[SirCakez]

so that first post declaring that there "cannot be this many scum in the game" seems kinda odd based on the reads he ended up giving

yeah bc I developed my reads and figured out who was shitposting scummy things and who was actually scumposting

[SirCakez]

okay i want to stop talking about ari for five seconds here there's 15 other players

[SirCakez]

Ah, this one sees Cat Scratch of the Fever has indeed expanded upon SirCakez. This one would really like Sir of the Cakez to address the others voting him, not this one though, as this one hates to be hasty and wrong. Therefore this one is very willing to go back to voting no one, and hopes Sir can show this one that such is the right thing to do.

well everyone appears to just be sheeping Ari so not even sure what there is to address

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

i can buy this thought process but then we have these

VOTE: cakez

fuck the busy work I'll just sheep and see where it goes

VOTE: cakez

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

not much to address here!

[SirCakez]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

I do agree with Peta that this post was terrible
like what is Baltar even saying here?

(ily too i know im not great lol but also this was scummy boss)

[SirCakez]

if i vote someone who isn't ari, will I be called scum for "backpedaling my push" and "giving up when I got resistance to it"?

this is the kind of shit I have to think about at all times regardless of my alignment bc someone always tries to fucking lim me

[SirCakez]

why would you even consider moving your vote if you think I'm mafia

because i want to engage some other people the shitflinging with you is not going anywhere and me moving my vote doesn't mean I think you're town

[SirCakez]

also the Lycan wagon - I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me
i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

[SirCakez]

also the Lycan wagon -

I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me

i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

That's generally a pretty good sign someone is scum

it depends on the player for me I don't really know Lycan well so idk
some players I just never remember any of their posts and it doesn't mean anything for their alignment lol

VOTE: morning tweet she is scummiest person so far

when you wrote this post - what was your thought process for why Tweet was the scummiest person so far.

tweet's opening felt super forced and ungenuine
110 and especially 187

you seem to be way easier to get pissed off and more defensive and I feel like you are giving less of a shit about scumhunting

well the last game we played together I got shitpushed by scum and almost got eliminated because I was pretty passive and didn't defend myself so why do you think I would decide to repeat that experience.

who fucking knows?

you're currently my top SR and at E-3 and I am actively pushing for your elimination so your line about "not giving a shit about scumhunting" seems incongruent with the reality of the situation.

okay sure

[SirCakez]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

I do agree with Peta that this post was terrible
like what is Baltar even saying here?

(ily too i know im not great lol but also this was scummy boss)

What is unclear to you about what I'm saying? Ari makes a reasonable point that I can see skimming those games, and if she's town, that wagon comp isn't terrible. Klick is my top townread. Asri I can definitely see as a bus given their general reaction to a very reasonable ask.

What's confusing to you?

the main part is if you agree with all this stuff why aren't you voting me?

[SirCakez]

if i vote someone who isn't ari, will I be called scum for "backpedaling my push" and "giving up when I got resistance to it"?

this is the kind of shit I have to think about at all times regardless of my alignment bc someone always tries to fucking lim me

I don't know why you would bother caring to think about this as either alignment.

because i don't want to give scum fuckers more ammo to wagon me with?

[SirCakez]

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.

i guess okay

[SirCakez]

ugh Fire and Ari are actually making good points
im moving my vote this post pinged me a bit ago

Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later

this feels like scum worried about being pushed for not posting

VOTE: gimli

[SirCakez]

i also could vote Mistyx she also feels like disengaged scum
or Asri

[SirCakez]

because i don't want to give scum fuckers more ammo to wagon me with?

that seems silly my friend.
scum always have ammo somewhere, they make it up on their own.

u trying to give them less ammo actually just brings more eyes and attention on to u because now it looks like ur deliberately trying to not look sketchy to people. You bring more focus on yourself by being concerned how you are perceived than actually just going with what you think is the right move.

the name of the game is to find the scum.
not don't get eliminated by the scum.

if scum show thier hand making awful pushes on u, u should be glad they did so and be on the lookout for that.
ur mentality with mafia needs work.

I see, thanks
I don't know i'm just stuck in a toxic mindset bc of how many bad times I've had I guess and this game hasn't changed that that's for sure

[SirCakez]

tweet's opening felt super forced and ungenuine

110 and especially 187

if you think 110 was forced and ungeniune - how do you miss that I immediately push her on 110 in

the very next post

111.

Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?

yeah yeah okay i fucked up

[SirCakez]

How do you feel about asri?

pretty scummy. i don't buy the progression on reads.

[SirCakez]

i'm going back and forth on MT now because that opening was definitely bad but she's made some better posts and I like how she explained her read on my slot it felt like a genuine thought. but then I also think the post where she voted Lycan seemed kind of like a forced vote like I didn't see how she got to the vote on Lycan from what she wrote.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mistyx lets do it

[SirCakez]

I don't know i'm just stuck in a toxic mindset bc of how many bad times I've had I guess and this game hasn't changed that that's for sure

when was the last time you got mis-eliminated as town on d1 again?

can't remember off the top of my head. you have to understand like I got here from literally hundreds of games over years and years of mafia. it wasn't like I had one shit game and was like fuck i have to change everything.

[SirCakez]

stepping away from this game for now see yall later

[SirCakez]

was someone pushing me?

no but there is going to be very soon with your current play

[SirCakez]

SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

I don't dislike the Lycan wagon as much as I do the Cakez one or Mistyxx one

whats wrong with the mistyx wagon?

[SirCakez]

Good vibes:
Morning Tweet
furtiveglance
Cat Scratch Fever

can you elaborate on these three?

[SirCakez]

Baltar, explain Klick townread.

why is Klick scum? you keep insisting on this and trashing peoples Klick TRs but what is the counterargument?

[SirCakez]

A lot of the issues I have with his play is that I don't think he's really interacting to sort people - it feels like he's just arguing with people to win arguments?

He's a journalist by trade so one of the things he does fairly well is to "frame" the issue in a way that's favorable to him for example:

709 1089 1090 1113 1156

I don't really think these posts are helping him sort people - it's just like he decided he was the referee of the argument and ruled that he was being extremely reasonable and like how could anyone disagree with him?

my problem is I feel like Baltar does this every game

[SirCakez]

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me

[SirCakez]

Baltar, explain Klick townread.

why is Klick scum? you keep insisting on this and trashing peoples Klick TRs but what is the counterargument?

Tone, reads, voting pattern

what does "voting pattern" mean here?

[SirCakez]

is furtive using random.org to make reads

[SirCakez]

weird urge to try to get a Morning Tweet wagon going

[SirCakez]

what would peta even be salty about

That he isn't a cute anime girl

ok i'm also salty about this though

[SirCakez]

should i design cute anime girls only setup instead of doing homework

[SirCakez]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

because it sucked ass lol

[SirCakez]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

ok let me go through the playerlist and see where im at

fb - town
peta - not sure slight town read
sirecakez - scum
vp - i dunno lol
aristeia - town
alisae - still scummy but not gonna get lynched today so
taly - town
gimli - scum, has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions, i've scumread him since early and don't like any of his posting
furtiveglance - null-scum
klick - town
MT - i had a town read earlier, but probably should look back into it
lycan - ehhh
mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess
black - town
redFF - MEGA NUMBER 1 TOWN
CSF - i think they've made some insightful posts and i was impressed they guessed the 3rd hood member, if there is scum in the hood i don't think scum csf correctly "guesses" the 3rd hood member like that. so if scum in the hood i think CSF is guaranteed to be town (unless klick ends up flipping scum, that would be an interesting associative if that happens as they couldve worked that back and forth out together)
asri teroka - annoying

trash readslist bro

[SirCakez]

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me

okay you do you

but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?

Cakez can you answer this

i still think Ari is scummy and there's prolly a scum or two inside (CSF, Asri, Red)

[SirCakez]

every time I read a CSF post I'm just like okay
that got posted

i never get any feels of town motivation or genuineness behind them they feel very perfunctory

[SirCakez]

misty klick peta furtive fire red ari black towncore
want to throw in asri and vp in there as well

lol you cannot be serious about this list

[SirCakez]

every time I read a CSF post I'm just like okay
that got posted

i never get any feels of town motivation or genuineness behind them they feel very perfunctory

been thinking this more and more as the day progresses

are you trying to buddy me? wtf you keep making posts like this to me

[SirCakez]

alisae's towncore list was actually so bad that I might have to drop my TR on e

[SirCakez]

are you trying to buddy me? wtf you keep making posts like this to me

yes I'm trying to buddy you. is it working?

VOTE: gimli
i cant with this dude anymore

[SirCakez]

he has been trying to WK me for pages and pages now and it feels like he's just trying to put himself in a good spot between the wagons so he isnt attached to a townflip

[SirCakez]

hes openwolfing

[SirCakez]

like again

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

this is possibly the scummiest post in the game

[SirCakez]

not really interested in doing preflip associatives

[SirCakez]

like again

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

this is possibly the scummiest post in the game

you live in an alternate reality.

I think your wagon is suspicious, I think there's scum in it. I happen to think you're town, meaning you're on my side, meaning I get to defend you from the wolves piling onto your wagon. IDK, maybe that's scummy, I have no clue how that's your perspective out of all the players itg, but okay.

Ok but from my pov there is a fuckton of motivation for you to come in here as scum esp cuz it seems like the wagon is stalled out and prolly won't go through in its current iteration. Why should I assume you are town for doing the bare minimum to crap on a shitty wagon on me?

[SirCakez]

i still think Ari is scummy and there's prolly a scum or two inside (CSF, Asri, Red)

Why do you still think Ari is scum? you seem to have conceded that your points for scumreading her were not good

Spoiler:

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.

i guess okay

ugh Fire and Ari are actually making good points

im moving my vote this post pinged me a bit ago

Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later

this feels like scum worried about being pushed for not posting

VOTE: gimli

tweet's opening felt super forced and ungenuine

110 and especially 187

if you think 110 was forced and ungeniune - how do you miss that I immediately push her on 110 in

the very next post

111.

Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?

yeah yeah okay i fucked up

Not all of them but yes I concede that Ari did have some town posts that I neglected

[SirCakez]

I'm retracting my sircakez townread

LMAO

[SirCakez]

meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back again

I feel like they were self explanatory

Like Ali's town core had like Red and Mistyx?? Like wtf?

[SirCakez]

I'm in a bad mood so y'all get a rant

This game is soo fucking stupid I feel like I cannot post anything without ten people going "LOL CAKEZ NO LOGIC HES SCUM"
I don't even fucking want to explain myself because some asshole is going to go "nah but what about this bro what are you even doing xD xD lol!" This is so fucking annoying who even has fun playing Mafia like this? Like just fucking let me do my thing for five seconds and figure people out. I can't fucking do anything this game without somebody finding a way to shade me and call me scum for it.

Yeah I fucked up my read on Ari I missed two posts or fucking WHATEVER where she agreed with me for two things. I know I suck soooo fucking bad right?

Yeah I think Alis town core is fucking scummy because e has players in there that the majority of the game has as null at best. Is e protecting buddies? Saving limbait for later? I don't FUCKING KNOW but I don't see why e would do that as town! I don't fucking put players that most of the game don't town read in a "town core". Who defines a town core as players like that? Fucking no one!

God fucking damn! I haven't been this pissed by a game in a while. I get limmed all the time but at least people aren't so shitty about it normally I just feel sad not like an actually shit mafia player.

I KNOW I'm shit at mafia. I don't play this game so I can have a 100% ELO god tier paragon mafia hunter rate or fucking whatever. I log in for 30 minutes to an hour a day, read as much as I can and make analysis from that. I don't have the brainpower or time to sit around pulling a fucking Freud re ISOing their 100 posts reading their 500 game meta and being like HMMMM WHAT IF ALISAE WAS ACTUALLY PULLING A 720 UNO REVERSE CARD AND IS REACTION TESTING THE SCUM or some fucking bullshit like that. I see someone post a reads list that makes no sense to me I think that's pretty fucking scummy. I feel like it's not rocket science but someone always has to be like "WELL WHY DIDNT YOU THINK OF THIS CAKEZ!!!! YOURE SCUMMMM!!!" I just want to come in and have some fun and post a little analysis and some reads and fuck off back to my hole. I can't sit around here figuring everything fucking out.

God damn I had to get this off my chest.

[SirCakez]

just kill me I don't want to play this game anymore and I don't want to give this slot to some poor fucker it's already doomed

[SirCakez]

I think I just need to hydra with someone and just stay in the pt and have fun in there so people fucking leave me alone

[SirCakez]

I'll come back here tomorrow when I hopefully wake up in a better mood

[SirCakez]

I think I'm just going to sit and watch this game for a day or two because I feel i have not been able to get across what I'm thinking well at all and maybe if I just like read and think instead of throwing all my thoughts out I can do that better

[SirCakez]

I hope you feel better tomorrow Cakes.

I enjoy playing with you and you are a joy to be around and I hope you feel better about yourself.

It's just a game and if I'm reading you incorrectly I would say it's just my fault.

Thanks Ari i appreciate it

[SirCakez]

I don't tr any of these people i don't know who to pick to save

[SirCakez]

Just tell me who to vote

[SirCakez]

I'm not putting out content right now I'm just reading and thinking and reevaluating how I'm playing

[SirCakez]

I miss beeboy

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: don't know where to vote right now

[SirCakez]

(red, Mistyx, Dan, Gimli, MT, CSF, Aarti)
Just want to lim one of these people ig

[SirCakez]

Did this game suddenly get cool

[SirCakez]

Hai I'm feeling better about this game with a dead scum and Klick and I talked a little overnight

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to run a lawnmower through all the universal scum reads and maybeeee like one scum would be left lol

[SirCakez]

Someone you were defending flipped scum and it doesn't change your solve at all Gimli?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: asri i can fuck with this wagon

[SirCakez]

I also have a dirty evil confession to make that will make some people happy probably
I don't think Ari is scum anymore

[SirCakez]

Ahhh suddenly pages
Not reading tonight but I'm around if anyone wants to chat

[SirCakez]

hi Cakes,

why didn't you consider claiming your role before you ATE'd and said its fine if people want to kill you?

I don't really like claiming unless I'm run up or there's a mass claim Ms site culture of claiming as fast as possible has always seemed dumb to me bc it's just free info for scum
And honestly I just wasn't thinking about bc i was mad about how people were playing really

[SirCakez]

and by run up I mean like to intent to hammer

[SirCakez]

Firebringer dear is it ok for me to ask Cakes to claim without calling him scum because I dunno what kind of role he could have where he says something like.

"just kill me I don't want to play this game anymore and I don't want to give this slot to some poor fucker it's already doomed"

cuz I kind of think of he had a useful role he wouldn't say something like this?

My role is not really useful so idk why you're hung up on this?

[SirCakez]

cakez/lycan both being scum would explain the quiet hood

The hood was quiet because Klick didn't want to talk while there was likely scum alive in the hood which was obviously proven correct

[SirCakez]

I claimed to Klick in the hood

[SirCakez]

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

[SirCakez]

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

I don't want to claim in the thread leave me alone Klick can verify everything you want

[SirCakez]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with me this game
Like I already got upset day 1 because people wouldn't leave me alone do we really need to go down this path again? God

[SirCakez]

What reads do people want me to talk about?

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to run a lawnmower through all the universal scum reads and maybeeee like one scum would be left lol

Who are these universal scum reads?

Kinda like the pool left over from day 1 - none of them have really changed much in my eyes
Gimli, Mistyx, Red, Asri for sure I feel would be in this pool

[SirCakez]

Does Asri have a PR where they have to mention me in every post or they die

[SirCakez]

here I'll be at a computer in a bit and i can elaborate more on some reads

[SirCakez]

Don't worry furtive I like your thinking emojis

[SirCakez]

okay reading up real quick gonna be a skim bc I'm quite busy atm and want to spend more time talking about reads instead

[SirCakez]

one read I want to talk about is Furtive. Furtive is someone to me who all game has felt too loose and unfiltered to be scum. Take the thinking emojis joke we were just talking about. Furtive legitimately feels like they don't care if they piss someone else or go totally against the grain on general thread consensuses and I feel like that's a lot more likely to be town. I think I've seen a few people put him in null/scum and I guess I understand that but I would be pretty opposed to a lim there.

If people think my reads don't make sense I would be down to talk about them I just don't want to hear any useless criticism bc then I'm just gonna get frustrated again and I can't improve that way.

[SirCakez]

Also I can't see scum!Furtive making that crazy JK claim it would just be wayyy too likely to backfire

[SirCakez]

okay TSQ ninjaed me but yes that

[SirCakez]

can't I just want to talk about my reads like people have been asking for?

[SirCakez]

petapan's rr sounds like a scum joat

you're exactly right, it's not a good role, but that's prt of the point of role madness, you don't go hunting by claims

do you think as scum i trueclaim my exact role like a fucking idiot

do you think i don't go full steam, bury cakez day 1, and then make lycan elim immune on day 2

like my play is the exact opposite of using this for scum tactical utility

This post caught my eye during the read. This is essentially why I can't see Peta as scum here. There is no scum motivation behind how he played day 1. And it would make a whole lot of sense for scum to have tried to NK him it literally happens all the time.

This also consequently makes more sus of Asri because I really don't get the push there - feels like scum trying to take advantage of the situation with Furtive's JK.

[SirCakez]

Another read I've flipped on is Alisae - I had e as scum towards end of day 1 before I got upset, but the way e has taken command of the town today (especially at day start) feels transparently town. I would be shocked if e pulled this kind of power move as scum - it feels untenable and I feel like I almost never see scum go "okay, I'm taking over as leader, this is our lim pool," etc. I dunno does that make sense?

[SirCakez]

If my posts sound kinda different today its because I'm trying to do a better job explaining things out and making myself more transparent because I feel like a lot of the issues people have with me just comes from me not talking about my thoughts and throwing out too many one liners and such. So yeah.

[SirCakez]

I don't understand the tone of people calling me bad...

I've just stopped the nightkill, not expecting a hero's welcome or anything but...

Yeah also good job my dude if this was actually you like it looks like
I relate to that feeling

[SirCakez]

Ahhh suddenly pages
Not reading tonight but I'm around if anyone wants to chat

did you actually use the hood last night lol

Yeah we did

[SirCakez]

I think alisae would describe her own scum game as exactly that.

Another read I've flipped on is Alisae - I had e as scum towards end of day 1 before I got upset, but the way e has taken command of the town today (especially at day start) feels transparently town. I would be shocked if e pulled this kind of power move as scum - it feels untenable and I feel like I almost never see scum go "okay, I'm taking over as leader, this is our lim pool," etc. I dunno does that make sense?

i think alisae would def be more than capable and willing to do that as scum

but i am not really sure it makes sense in this situation so i also feel less strongly about scumreading there

Yeah I definitely think Ali could pull this off as scum but I agree with fire in that it doesn't really make sense here. Like if e were scum here e would want town more disorganized not less right? And it's not like e has drastically changed the lim targets people are talking about to protect scum or something.

[SirCakez]

I would like to move the conversation to Misty cause I feel like a lot of people have Misty as a wolf but are not trying to provide any arguments for it

Okay now this is a read I want to talk about.

The popular "there must be a wolf in here" pool I've been seeing during my readthrough has been Red/Gimli. I feel like Misty should be in the pool too though.
There's several reasons I find Mistyx to be pretty scummy.

-She has been perpetually disengaged. I haven't really seen any effort from her to try to talk about her reads or get more invested in this game. Just constant dipping in and out and potshots at random slots. I'm reading her ISO right now and I barely have a sense of any of her reads or pushes at all except for...

-The Red tunnel. Red is def scummy but it just feels like MIstyx is using this push as a crutch to avoid doing anything else. Either this is a really dedicated bus or scum fishing for a mislim on someone who is widely suspected.

im so tunneled on redff lol that reaction to furtive's claim looks so fake

Like she is even self aware she is super tunneled but then just keeps sitting there.

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

VOTE: redFF

This is also the last vote she placed day one (and actually in the game so far). She's just sitting on Red and not pushing anywhere else.

-She didn't really talk about Dan or Lycan at all.

saving my place at top of page 24

think lycan is town for reasons I’ll think are bad if i explain

This feels fishy af - like this is exactly what scum would say to avoid voting a buddy without saying too much.

Can you give independent reads on these players [Lycanfire/SirCakez]?

will you be upset if the answer is "no"

Not upset lol, but I was a bit wary that you've been pretty good about giving independent reads on most players, but not when it comes to the two players that I happen to scumread

But I see you gave one on Cakez right after this lol

Can I bother you for a read on Lycan

pretty neutral tbh

i don't have much to say there in terms of their actual posts
maybe slightly >rand scum to say "i'm hyped for this playerlist" then lowpost but also totally willing to chalk it up to oog

This also reads like a buddy post.

-The general ignorance of the slot within the gamestate. I feel like Mistyx's play is pretty comparable to the popular suspects in Red and Gimli but she is not being put in the pool with them (my general impression correct me if I'm wrong) and some people even have her as town which to me is just ???. Fire and I tried to start a wagon there day one and got absolutely nowhere. I feel like scum would be feasting on this slot if it were town.

[SirCakez]

cakez a lot of people do suspect misty (myself included). does that change your thought process at all?

I know a good amount do but I just like feel weird about how there hasn't even really been an attempt to wagon there at all except for Fire and me briefly day one.
Meanwhile Red and Gimli have been eating votes constantly since day one.

i think she's a more popular suspect than both red and gimli actually

I don't really get this vibe at all - for example Alisae has her as hard town.

[SirCakez]

I like the Asri wagon, I also have them as scum and I like staying on a wagon that's formed versus trying to start a new one because I have an absolutely terrible record of actually getting people to listen to me and vote with me

[SirCakez]

feels kinda meh to start a wagon now while she said that she's busy tho

Also this is fair - she's not even here

[SirCakez]

it really feels that once cakez had his AtE and people left him alone, he kinda disappeared from trying to have any influence in the game

This is very misrepresentative as I stated that I was stepping back from the game for a while and then the day ended so I had no chance to reengage.

[SirCakez]

Okay here's an updated readslist. I'll talk about more of them later (I really want to talk about CSF and MT bc I know many have those as town) but I need to do some homework now.

Town - Alisae, furtive, Petapan, Klick, Firebringer
Nulltown - Aristeia, Black, TSQ, fireisredsir
Null - Gimli
Nullscum - Red, CSF, MT
Scum - Asri, Mistyx

Almost no nulls which is unusual but I have a vibe on everyone one way or the other. I'll take it!
I am putting Gimli in null for now because I'm not sure what to make of his claim. I find his play really scummy but the claim seems town I think?

[SirCakez]

Gimli is god that is all

[SirCakez]

Also at @Cakez how much longer this routine of my horrendously reverse read accuracy is going to hold with you i swear this like 10 games straight of my being straight up wrong on you.

I felt really bad - the AtE I used in this game was over the top and not worth it. It was rooted in real frustrations but like I got way too heated.

[SirCakez]

Yeah Ari was literally like Deadshot sniping with those tracks - amazing play!