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Post #61 (isolation #10) » Sun Jun 25, 2023 2:58 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 45, Thestatusquo wrote:
Fires vote isn't real he's just gonna be like yadda yadda yadda you said something like that in your garlic bread entrance.
that is the reason yes
more specifically that i think you'd be the kind of person to think it's funny to up the ante on that entrance if you rolled scum again as like a "hehe nobody will suspect me to be so obvious" type of thing
as evidenced by the fact that you are the type of player to in that game say "my scum partner is baltar" in your second post and be telling the truth (and to have gotten away with it lol)
i will think on if it makes me feel better or worse or neutral that you identified the reason
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Post #115 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:45 am
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 113, Black wrote:
I don't think Shea putting fire at e-1 makes me think he's aligned one way or the other. I can see reasons for him doing this as scum but that doesn't make him scum
In post 310, fireisredsir wrote:
i also think that while not directly calling him noobscum your case is a really semantic one that doesn't really feel like good faith sorting
i think that there's no way to believe that was a legit slip without believing that datisi is incompetent bc lol
i also think this is more like the points you push when you're scum
i was actually thinking this is townie for him
i'd need to actually check his scum games, but i don't get the vibe he's a "purposefully push hella bad arguments at a relatively townread person for townpoints"
i went and read/skimmed a town and a scum game and i definitely did lol
more that his arguments as scum just seemed really kinda bad whereas as town they were sometimes bad but he was more likely to continue trying to sort and solve and reassess rather than doubling down on them
In post 59, Full Post wrote:
*Snip*
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no
*Snip*
No, you didn't.
You said we lose a full day today, then everything after that point refers to the D2 lim. I've highlighted it below:
In post 59, Reference to D2 Lim wrote:
*Snip*
then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny
and then we lose TWO days
and no
*Snip*
You completely disregarded the possibility of the lim hitting scum by virtue of saying that 2 days would be wasted which struck me as scummy.
Suggesting by omission that they aren't scum suggested to me a level of knowledge about the game. Can't be an SK with that level of knowledge about the game so has to be scum IMO.
oh, i see what you mean now. i was responding to shea's 57 there, which says that
In post 57, Thestatusquo wrote:
If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game
it would be informative - i figured the assumption was made that the person getting lolhammered would flip green (because if they were red, then any sort of information about the lolhammerer kind of pales in comparison to actually having a red flip), and the "it would be informative" surely wasn't talking about the person potentially getting hammered because we'd know their alignment soon enough
also, i've never seen scum getting lolhammered on page 2, but i have seen town getting lolhammered on page two. so i would be making the assumption that, if anyone does get hammered on page 2, it's going to be a townie
In post 284, Datisi wrote:
and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
In post 284, Datisi wrote:
and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.
Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.
i know it's a non-sequitur, i'm poking fun at your 277, which claimed:
"Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep."
which implies that i am informed in two ways, which. you know. you get why it's false.
then, when i say "scum" i'm generally referring to any non-town. with 284 being an exception because i was responding to you there.
finally, omission: yes, i was assuming a quickhammer wouldn't flip scum. this is because (1) the conversation was going in that direction, (2) i have never seen a p2 quickhammer flip not-town.
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Post #331 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:06 am
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 328, Deltabreedy wrote:
You've done this by feigning outrage, by appealing to the playerbase, insinuating that my line of reasoning comes from a position of attacking your character and you've failed to actually engage with anything that I said outside of the vote on you.
like this is so blatantly untrue that my immediate reaction is to think like datisi did of "scum wouldn't double down on just completely misrepresenting things this hard, would they?"
but i think he is the type of scum player who might
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Post #343 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:25 am
Postby fireisredsir »
there was no ducking and diving he literally directly addressed your point and explained his thought process behind the post and you pretended he didn't and are still pretending he didn't
In post 343, fireisredsir wrote:
there was no ducking and diving he literally directly addressed your point and explained his thought process behind the post and you pretended he didn't and are still pretending he didn't
Nope, he categorically didn't. I've explained why.
just because you said that 283 isn't a valid response doesn't mean that it isn't
that is very directly addressing your point and explaining why he made the post in the way that he did
and that explanation seems way more reasonable and likely than yours, being that he scumslipped lol
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Post #356 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:56 am
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 353, Deltabreedy wrote:
This is the post I am referring to by the way Fire. Please - prove me wrong.
literally the entire post, what are you talking about lol
he makes two points which address it:
1) shea was assuming a townflip, bc he said the lolhammer would be good for information. he was continuing this line of conversation
2) he's never seen a page 2 lolhammer be on scum, so he also thought it was a reasonable assumption to make
i think he pretty clearly thought that everyone in this game was reasonable enough that he didn't need to put the obvious implied disclaimer of "(or fire flips scum)" bc duh. i also think if anything he'd be more careful to put that in if he's scum. i think the chance that he forgot to consider the possibility that i could be scum is literally 0% even if he is scum
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Post #385 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 381, Thestatusquo wrote:
honestly not sure what town!fires motivation for trying to chop down me down there is though.
doesn't really serve any purpose for actually expressing a read on sheep or for actually discerning either of our alignments. Seems only designed to express a town read that can be pointed back to later tbh.
uhh sorry?
sheep posted some stuff and i had a reaction to it and i posted my thoughts
funnily that was basically the early push on me last game
I just find it harder soooometimes as villager to find the motivation to type up for u guys what im thinking lmaoo like screw u all
I don't really feel like this is true. I've played with town you a lot and while your thoughts are short and not in depth they're always there and I always am able to follow your thought process.
Here, not even a little bit.
like here i just have a different reaction
i feel like i can see where his thoughts are coming from and i can follow his thought process
and yeah they kinda align with things other people including me have said but i don't think that's an inherently scummy thing unless he's trying to pocket me which was my follow up thought but i don't think he really has to try lol
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Post #392 (isolation #46) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:57 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
idk you can read the posts yourself and if you think they're lacking then me repeating what is in them is not gonna do anything for you or satisfy you so i can already tell this interaction is going to suck but whatever
- finding you scummy but not really feeling like the reasons are very good and so not particularly wanting to push on them
- feeling like the game is lacking in things that are needing to be talked about and just generally not being motivated to talk to people here or force content out
- going back and forth on delta
it just feels like he's looking at the game from more or less similar perspective as i am
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Post #406 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:52 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
i don't think that most people in this game have done very much that is readable so currently the bar for what gives me a read on someone is fairly low
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Post #408 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:40 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
don and maybe shea
appearance i think some of the reasons that he was pushed over were bad and probably scummy which kinda makes me lean town but independent of that i don't particularly townread him. so.... eh
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Post #409 (isolation #51) » Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:43 pm
Postby fireisredsir »
yea that didn't help
i don't really know how to read merlyn bc from bits and pieces that ive seen of her play, i don't really understand her process or mindset as town and that makes it so i struggle to figure out if her thoughts are real or not
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Post #501 (isolation #56) » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:19 am
Postby fireisredsir »
In post 477, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think they solving and honestly the fact that everyone keeps saying they think we're partnered even further reinforces my read that they're town.
Doesn't seem very likely that scum would push a narrative of me having a scum buddy when I'm town.
In post 520, fireisredsir wrote:
501 is a question that i would like specifically shea to answer
didn't shea mention delta prior to that?
the way u phrased things felt like u weren't reading all of shea's posts or else chose to focus on roden specifically when both delta and don had mentioned the strat.
something i want to ask u is why u chose to ask shea only on roden. did u not care about his opinion on the others (e.g. don)?
he's ignoring me anyway so whatever okay
where did shea mention delta? and where did don say shea/merlyn were teamed?
i mentioned roden bc he was the main one to bring up the idea. delta expressed interest in it at least. i disagree that datisi expressed a belief in the theory. i was wondering who shea thought the scum was that was pushing the theory bc his stated reason for townreading merlyn in that post relies on him thinking that someone pushing the theory is scum