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Out of all of the cute Anime girls I get stuck with the clown :/
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Each player has approximately a 50% chance that their Account Name and the Role Name are the same. Kagerou is apparently in the 50% that are different, andIn post 9, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Mod notes are confusing.
Kagerou Imaizumi (account name) is confirmed to be Marisa Kirisame (role name)-
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You not figuring that out during the pregame means you are much more likely to be town, so that is neat.-
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If people get this message, regardless of their role, does that mean that an invest would actually get both a "Yuuka is part of the scum team" message and their true result?In post 8, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I have an ability that, when I’m visited by anyone they’re notified that I’m part of the scum team. Even non-investigative roles.-
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I asked the mod questions during the pre game.In post 19, Tenshi Hinanawi wrote:
Source?In post 16, Clownpiece wrote:
Each player has approximately a 50% chance that their Account Name and the Role Name are the same. Kagerou is apparently in the 50% that are different, andIn post 9, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Mod notes are confusing.
Kagerou Imaizumi (account name) is confirmed to be Marisa Kirisame (role name)
Your Role Name was done like a normal uPick, where your role is your first choice unless multiple people picked the same person, at which point it went to your back ups.
Your Account name was 50% your first choice, 33% your second choice, and 17% your third choice. And this was done independently of your Role.
So if you assume everyone got their first pick, then everyone would have exactly a 50% chance to have their account and role match, the possibility of duplicates is why I said approximately.
You are welcome to ask the mod as well to confirm.-
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If you were asking for my source for the bottom quote I made, I don't have any confirmation that that is what the mod is saying other then just how I read it based on the knowledge I had about how roles and accounts were formed.-
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I did not. I told the mod I am unfamiliar with the flavor, so he gave me 3 random Touhou characters, and told me to rank them. I ranked clownpiece third, and still ended up with it.In post 36, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
uPickedIn post 15, Clownpiece wrote: Out of all of the cute Anime girls I get stuck with the clown :/
VOTE: Eternity Larva
I was given an account and a role that had different names, which led to me digging into.What made you ask about name generation?-
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This is not in line with how the mod explained role and account generation (as explained in post 20), unless I misunderstood somethingIn post 38, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: Not actually true. I personally was given the choice to have my name be either from my picks, or completely random, and have no reason believe only I was given that choice. Moreover, you pick 3 characters anyway, and getting the same name is... not exactly 50%, now is it.-
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I lean town on the role itself. I would be very mad at the mod if I was actually scum with that role lol.In post 52, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role-
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But this is true.In post 55, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: either way she'd probably claim it as both town and scum
The role is very confirmable, and therefore very likely to be real. And if real, they would claim it as either alignment.-
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For what its worth, I agree with Sanae. I have been liking YuukaIn post 70, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: if they saw the same thing i did your 64 sounds like TMI sanae-
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I was on the fence with Tenshi's super early posts, but I liked their explanations on page 4.
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This actually makes me more inclined to think that Yuukai is town.In post 95, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
Yes.In post 26, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
Good question. Asking.In post 18, Clownpiece wrote:
If people get this message, regardless of their role, does that mean that an invest would actually get both a "Yuuka is part of the scum team" message and their true result?In post 8, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I have an ability that, when I’m visited by anyone they’re notified that I’m part of the scum team. Even non-investigative roles.
They just confirmed that a cop would get a true result, so throwing away the cop protection of a miller claim.-
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Scum are much more likely to know about accounts and roles not matching then the average town player, and Tenshi's approach only makes sense if she did not know that that was a possibility.
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While they would claim the auto-guilty result, I don't think that they would be inclined to out anything about their second role.In post 140, Koishi Komeiji wrote: ok but why wouldn't mafia do that if they rolled such a role?
I agree with Sanae here that there was an earnestness in the tone that I liked was well.
I think I have actually agreed with basically every Sanae post, which feels nice.-
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I also find myself nodding along to Eternity Larva's posts.-
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I had a town lean on page one, and I that has grown to 4. 4 reads on page 7 seems like a pretty solid pace to me lmao.In post 162, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game
Also, unsure what the stopping the game from going forward even means, so :shrug:-
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I think that this is where I am VOTE: Koishi Komeiji
But there are definitely a lot of players that are currently lost in the sauce-
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I am aggressively on the fence about Kagerou-
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I did that!In post 188, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Let's vote any of
VOTE: Aya Shameimaru
VOTE: Koishi Komeiji
VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan
VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi
VOTE: Daiyousei
There are probably two scum in this pool.-
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I just went to ISO the people on your list Marisa, only to discover that Aya has yet to join us smh.-
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I am ~fine~ with Kaguya's iso.
Their progression on Tenshi feels in line with my own, although their vote and unvote both come after other people either started pushing there or started unvoting, so its worth a little less then general.
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Kaguya, what about Ichirin's posts at this point did you like?In post 44, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I like Ichirins posts-
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I actually feel like Ichirin's iso is kinda baren of any content so far.-
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I now think that Marisa is very townie.-
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@Marisa, what got Reisen off your list?-
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Having looked back at Reisen's Iso
I am still confused why people are acting like I was doing pointless set up spec, when I was both clearing up something that looked like a point of confusion and stating that that confusion resulted in me having a page 1 town read.In post 51, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Exactly this, the speculation on account name vs flavor name feels floaty and pointless
It was both useful clarifications and useful for reads >.<-
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Mutual pocket achieved.In post 202, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
I promise I am not pocketing you but in the last two pages you went from nullscum to my strongest townread! Do you wanna be besties?In post 199, Clownpiece wrote: I now think that Marisa is very townie.-
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Are you saying this because you actually don't find her reasonings genuine, or because you don't think it makes sense to have these reads in general?In post 211, Koishi Komeiji wrote: I don't believe she has genuine suspicion of me/kagerou or actually townreads Marisa/Clownpiece/Tenshi/Yuuka/Eternity Larva.
If its the former, I would like further explanation, but if its the later I just don't find it particularly compelling because that is pretty inline with all of my reads.
Like, that is a list of my town reads, just sub me out for Sanae, and I am voting you. The only real difference is that I have conflicting opinions on Kagerou, which kinda cancel out to Null.-
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I am asking you the basis of your statement. You said you "don't believe she has genuine suspicion" or "actually townreads"In post 215, Koishi Komeiji wrote: what reasoning are you even talking about
I am asking you to clarify that statement. Is it based on not believing SHE has those reads, or that you don't think that A TOWNIE would have those reads.-
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I had the opposite opinion of Sanae's reads, and think that she has been pretty clear on why she has most of them, which is why I was asking for clarification.In post 216, Koishi Komeiji wrote: for me to find her reasoning "not genuine" I'd have to be able to read her reasoning to begin with. I didn't read much reasoning from her on her reads or how she got there.
I felt like her progression on tenshi was very clear. I felt like her takes on Yuuka's claim were word for word what I thought about Yuuka's claim, and she put them in thread first before me because the discussion happened while I was reading, so she could not have been mirroring my opinion.
Both of those felt really good to me.
Now with Eternity Larva she basically said "I agree with you Clownpiece," which I will admit is less impactful then the two above, but Eternity Larva is on the lower end of her town reads and it was stated why she made the list.
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Are you also self-obfuscating in some way?In post 228, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}-
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If that is the only thing about your role that made you include yourself, I would not count that as the same kind of things as:In post 236, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
Less so than the others but i feel like my role name being announced to everyone is in the same family of modWIFOMIn post 234, Clownpiece wrote:
Are you also self-obfuscating in some way?In post 228, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}
Auto Claiming Scum, Day-Ascetic, Night-Ascetic, or Ninja-
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I think that just probabilistically, if you take any list of 4 players, it is likely that there is at least 1 scum in there, so sure, there is probably a scum in that list.
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VOTE: ichirin-
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You and I have fundamentally different views on her Yuuka and Tenshi reads. (she had more specifics then just "vibes" with Yuuka)In post 246, Koishi Komeiji wrote: I do not consider her "vibes" response to Yuuka read to be reasoning.
I do not consider "I agree with clownpiece" on Larva to be reasoning.
I found her conversation with Tenshi to be kind of sus, it just felt so convenient and neat.
Why does she townread you again? I forgot.
But I actually think that the way you are digging your heels in over this to make it more likely that you genuinely feel this way-
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Her content has been so far limited to setup spec and her opinion on the mod color.In post 251, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Clownpiece, Clownpiece, a moment of your goofy time, if you could! What would you say is the driving force behind this wagon?-
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Some scum do find it hard to get settled into the game, but my vote was more a demand for content then an intent to eliminate.In post 255, Aya Shameimaru wrote: A dastardly deed indeed! Though, this intrepid reporter has a follow up, if you have the time. Does scum tend to make themselves this unlikeable and overt in an anonymous game? This field reporter is doubtful!-
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Why assume we are town doing that, maybe you just found the entire scum teamIn post 259, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: I don't particularly like that town just randomly-
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Marisa is not one of the people who voted you.In post 262, Ichirin Kumoi wrote:
Marisa/Clownpiece/Yuuka nakedvoter scumteam would be funny but I think it's just the mind virus completely rewiring people's perceptions of a weird out-of-left-field vote.In post 260, Clownpiece wrote:
Why assume we are town doing that, maybe you just found the entire scum teamIn post 259, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: I don't particularly like that town just randomly-
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why would you be speaking in general, instead of specifically about the 3 people who all naked voted you?-
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I am just confused on why you don't seem interested in determining the alignment of the people who voted you.
You started by saying it was town voting you, I asked why we could not be scum voting you (the full scum team part was a joke, but that was the idea), and you responded by not even knowing who was voting you.
I would expect some level of suspicion from someone who thinks that they are currently in serious danger of being miselimed (which I already felt was an exaggerated response to 3 votes), but you actually seem completely uninterested in your voters for some reason.-
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It kind of comes across like you already knows that all three of us are town, so your goal is not to sort us, and your actual goal in this situation is just to change our mind by finding something to talk about/focus on (in this case Eternity Larva) to "show" that you are solving.-
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That question was already asked and answeredIn post 290, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: Though now that my business is done and that you mention it, why'd you even hop on in the first place?-
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I am pretty sure that this was talking about Ichirin's first 7 posts (so up to 245), which make no attempt to do any solving.In post 295, Eternity Larva wrote: by calling Ichrin's posts bad multiple times for reasons i cannot gather from reading the last couple pages-
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at first it was just for content, but now I think that these postsIn post 303, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: and call me tunneled if you want but it really feels like clown is not pushing Ichirin in good faith
In post 259, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: I don't particularly like that town just randomly swings 3 votes onto someone for funsies
presuppose that we are town in a weird way coming from someone who had voiced no read on any of us up to that point.In post 262, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: I think it's just the mind virus completely rewiring people's perceptions of a weird out-of-left-field vote.-
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How did you land on these 3 names, or more, how did you rule out the other low content players from being on this list.In post 337, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: I'm willing to vote any of Kaguya, Tenshi or Daiyousei to try and move the needle on them a bit, as they've all kinda disappeared-
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I'm probably not gonna be around again until Sunday-
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I am not gonna be around, but did have a minute to skim through.I think that I am actively against a Kagerou wagon for day 1. They are not trying to fit in, while also not trying to steer us anywhere, and it is just enough for me to want to give them time to cook I guess.
Also, I have experienced being called scum as town for similar reasons to the "is self aware of how many town reads they have" before, which I actually think boils down to the way I exist in the thread, and without doing any actually looking back, I feel like those accusations have generally come from town?
I am not married to them being town, but I feel like I don't want then going over day 1.
fwiw Kagerou, I do not have the number of town reads ready off the top of my head, but my response to seeing someone say I was not solving was an immediate "that feels like an odd characterization of me, as I feel like I actually have more reads then normal for this stage of the game." And once I stopped to think about my reads, it is pretty easy to produce a count of how many town reads I have.
I actually asked a lot of questions about account/role generation before the game started, and I am still pretty sure that the way I explained it on page 1 was the correct way everything was generated. I actually think that Ichirin (the person who said that my answer was not in line with what the mod asked them about generation) misunderstood the "Mod Choose Randomly For Me" option. I just did not think that it was worth getting further in the weeds on it.makes me seem she was worried about finding something to start things off while also not caring very much about asking-
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But basically, when we joined we had the option of "mod please pick for me" and "here are my 3 picks"
Ichirin thought that the "mod please pick for me" option would have made the odds basically unknowable, but the thing is IActually chose that option, and the result was that the mod gave me 3 random picks, with a picture and a 1 line description. and told me to sort them.
So either path resulted in a ranked list of 3.-
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I would also say that I don't think that I am the one who drug out the discussion on the topic.
I wrote post 20 to be very precise, to state that I got my numbers from the mod, and to welcome everyone to double check my numbers with the mod, because I thought including all of that would make it NOT be a continued discussion.-
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So, I was just thinking about the game earlier, and I remembered this exchange, and I actually just realized that I also belong on this list.In post 240, Clownpiece wrote:
If that is the only thing about your role that made you include yourself, I would not count that as the same kind of things as:In post 236, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
Less so than the others but i feel like my role name being announced to everyone is in the same family of modWIFOMIn post 234, Clownpiece wrote:
Are you also self-obfuscating in some way?In post 228, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}
Auto Claiming Scum, Day-Ascetic, Night-Ascetic, or Ninja
I was kind of not thinking about my role in that way, but actually, yeah, I self-obfuscate tonight.-
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I actually questioned them about Reisen being left off, and they volunteered an answer for both Resin and Tenshi being left off. 188In post 553, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: actually hmmm
one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool
VOTE: Tenshi
Their explanation actually made more sense for Tenshi then for Reisen imo, unless I am missing more Reisen town reads at that point then I am remembering.-
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I actually think that in context leaving Tenshi off made sense, because in the pages leading up to Marisa making her elim pool, multiple people were voting Tenshi and questioning her about her interaction with me, and then at the end of those questions multiple people unvoted and said that they all liked her reactions.In post 608, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: and well, it's still somewhat strange Marisa thought she wouldn't have the votes on Tenshi but included other slots in the same situation like it's no biggie
So, her "I didn't think that people would agree on" Tenshi made a lot of sense to me. I think that you were the only people that I remember voicing a town read on Reisen at that point, so that is the one that I did not understand.-
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I am gonna largely pretend that that last Sanae and Aya exchange does not exist, because engaging with it feels icky, but
I have seen this voiced a couple times (it may have been Aya both times, but I *think* it was actually someone else the first time, but I have not looked back).In post 600, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I'm saying that if Ichirin was scum she came out and chose violence.
But like... my interpretation of Ichirin's response was the exact opposite. Her response did feel like it was designed to appease her voters, but it just back fired.
She immediately went and found a New and Novel thing to be suspicious of, and double and tripled down on it (to a silly degree imo), when the main accusation was that there was no sign of solving from her, and it felt like she was avoiding questioning her voters - like her goal was just to change our minds.
It was not until Yuuka kept being so aggressive that she started to snap back at one of her voters.-
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And even while doing so, repeatedly called Yuuka townIn post 619, Clownpiece wrote: It was not until Yuuka kept being so aggressive that she started to snap back at one of her voters.-
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I would just say that the same applies to me. I feel negative emotions reading your posts.In post 622, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I'm allowed to be frustrated with someone's behaviour. Let me fucking have that without demonizing it like it's wrong to feel negative emotions.
My reaction was to try to not engage with it, so please don't try to pull me into it.-
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Fine I will engage.
I think that Sanae's posts were all benign and perfectly in line with how the game is played
And then your posts are not. They actively sap my enjoyment of the game, and make me feel like I should never engage with you for the rest of the game, because I can see myself making basically the same posts as Sanae, but absolutely don't want to have those same style of posts directed at me.
You can be frustrated, and even say you are frustrated, but before it reaches the point that you were making the posts you were making, I wish you would just go take a walk instead of deciding that you should single handedly tank the thread energy.-
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Can we just kill Ichirin now?-
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In post 642, Daiyousei wrote: in an iso vacuum i'm still not thrilled with aya's body of work but this post and sanae co-signing it in 598 makes me want absolutely nothing to do with voting aya for the foreseeable future and everything to do with exterminating the kagerou/sanae mafpair asap
Looking at the two posts, I felt like Sanae's 598 was a demonstrably different point, not just "co-signing" the original-
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Like, Sanae's drops the idea that idea that it is intentional, and then says that it might imply Aya is town.-
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