Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Tazaro]

Postings after my bed-time <_<
When in doubt, sheep. Sheep someone who looks good.
Who looks good? Tammy.

VOTE: Gentlemen Bastards

[Tazaro]

I don't have the time to make a huge post about the past 7 pages, but I will say that

I did not win anything.

I think some of these items went for WAY too much.

You're essentially claiming to be a vanilla townie
Don't do that

[Tazaro]

I didn't think of that investment-factor factor

[Tazaro]

Oh are you pointing out your voting me for voting gentleman bastards when we were out of rvs and talking srzbznz...see if you actually knew me, you would know I was half serious about my frustration. But since you haven't actually played any full games with me, you don't know that balance and role spec is something I'm supremely slow about and often get mixed up on, so whatever...carry on.

Oh that's scummy. :bows: caught me...

Pedit: oh the laundry list of contradictory items...as I said step aside there are people here who actually know how to read me :shrug:

Stop the self meta WTF?

VOTE: tammy

Mehdi this is the second time you've convinced me your town within 2 pages, you got talent mah boy you could really go places!

and side note, Matt's anger gives me a good sized boner.

And Sala still playing like Sala, which also means many of you will fall for the fallacy that he is too VI to be scum, dont listen to these inner voices of deceit.

For some reason, reading this gives me negative vibes.

[Tazaro]

shooting one

of

Seanald

/GreyICE

I am fine with this[/b]

[Tazaro]

shooting one of

Seanald

/GreyICE

I am fine with this

[Tazaro]

I'm not seeing the scum-reads on GI and MoI.

You did not name Seanald.
If Seanald dies we lynch another person. GG

[Tazaro]

It's not exactly in a prominent place in the PM

[Tazaro]

Ninja'd
Don't know what BBmolla is going to do ultimately
But in any event, Pitty seems town right off the bat, Phillammon is waffling, and both types of my reads are going against Seanald
so it doesn't hurt to:
UNVOTE

VOTE: Seanald

[Tazaro]

I find the points on MoI more convincing as of yet than those on Seanald, though

So I know you're being candid, do you find the case on Seanald merely not as convincing as that on MoI, or not really convincing at all?

[Tazaro]

I'm chalking up the MoI scum hit to luck.

Going to ISO him.

[Tazaro]

Not going to make a commentary, mind you. ISO read for my own ponderings.

[Tazaro]

Luck is when you don't have the evidence.
How did MoI's apparently not catching the qt thing in his PM make it any more conducive to suspecting him?

[Tazaro]

What we know from MoI's scumteam:

1. His team most likely dont have Investigation Immunity.

2. His team doesnt consist of Mehdi, Elmo, or Voided or GI

3. Tammy could be a possible buddy as does Seanald.

4. TheBois are most likely a buddy with MoI, but I dont want him lynched yet

5. StephanB is near conftown

You write Seanald write smack dab in the middle of this. And you like Tammy the Good to that.
Take note of a while back when I voted for Seanald. Salamence did not vote for him until he did suddenly after I did.

VOTE: Salamence

[Tazaro]

*link, not like

[Tazaro]

I've seen her do this before and she turned up town so pulling the vote for now.

Being that I am pretty sure that Tammy is town. Would Seanald admit to this reason to unvote her if he were scum?

[Tazaro]

GB: town

VOTE: Salamence

[Tazaro]

Meant to:
GB: town
VOTE: Seanald

[Tazaro]

<_<

VOTE: Seanald

[Tazaro]

For everyone who has been referencing it, please see Aleister Crowley. He was bulletproof and was a werewolf miller. He was in charge of the vig society. He was a NK Immune Miller Vig.

And Magua was in that game ...

[Tazaro]

The scum PM I am going to assume they don't get one because they already have one to use, which is why MoI didn't know about the QTs.

This IS a good point

[Tazaro]

Irony ninja ...

UNVOTE

VOTE: D3f3nd3r

[Tazaro]

no NK here.

[Tazaro]

no Oracle power here.

[Tazaro]

What do you mean by "Banker is not player specific"? Does it reveal the amount of money that one "random" person has?

[Tazaro]

Folks, can I volunteer for Auction Investigator?

[Tazaro]

So, Elmo is the last person that needs to claim and we end the day.

Can we get an Updated list of the plan?

[Tazaro]

I feel screwed. I bet even if Magua declared me town (like I am) I'd still be lynched.


What can I do to...uh...not get lynched?

if you're town, you can ...
can just accept your fate.

[Tazaro]

I don't want to wait for Elmo ...

[Tazaro]

I got Phil. unvoted and so did SPB. So I think it's L-2

[Tazaro]

Actually, SPB was voting on Seanold.
L-1, I think

[Tazaro]

*Seanald
L-1, I think

[Tazaro]

Elmo's claims:

$46 (Won Investigation Immunity)
$31 (Lost Extra Vote - at most)
----
$50 (Left Over)

Hmmm...those numbers seem kind of weird to me. Someone help me crunch them?

Those numbers are not too weird to comply with what Magua had said:
$46 + $31 implied he did nothing with $23.
The current bid was $46. He won, and that current bid was his: $46 - $46 = 0.
He received 90% of 31 rounded down, so he received $27.9 rounded down to $27.
This added 27 dollars added to $23 = 50 dollars.

[Tazaro]

Heck, I didn't use 31 dollars.

[Tazaro]

Here's where the 4 dollars lost come from:

Rules

At the end of the Night, before kills resolve, the highest bidder receives any unused bid money back, and receives the ability in question.

All other bidders receive 90% (

round down

) of their bid money back

.

Since he bid 31 dollars on something and lost it, he got .9(31) rounded down back in dollars; so he got 27.9 rounded down to 27 back in dollars.

[Tazaro]

Ready to hammer. objections must be made quickly.

Just kill it.

[Tazaro]

D3F3ND3R, townier looking closer to the end than before.
I would agree with killing Elmo. Will think more.

[Tazaro]

@Voidedmafia: I became cognizant of it independently of GB's meta case.

[Tazaro]

I gave an amount of money to Mehdi.

[Tazaro]

Unless we get a vig on Elmo:

VOTE: Elmo

[Tazaro]

Which is one of the heads is you?

[Tazaro]

Ignore the first "is."

[Tazaro]

I have never been a extraordinare leader. This time I'm being honest in saying that in a game.
Oh, well I'll follow whomever wants Elmo dead.

[Tazaro]

... within limits, of course.

[Tazaro]

Vig Phillammon.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phil

Using my shot today, still debating on who.

If you are willing to vote for him, might as well dayvig him.
I would be pleased with people taking positions on an Elmo lynch

[Tazaro]

Hmm ... willing to do work before vig.
Willing to turn around 180 from my "Vig Phillammon" stance.

[Tazaro]

Wonder who might have bussed D3f3nd3r?

[Tazaro]

My goof. Did not realize I was misremembering.

[Tazaro]

So now
Elmo's at

L-2

[Tazaro]

Hmm ... replacing Elmo?

[Tazaro]

If he is replaced, make demands of the replacement.

[Tazaro]

*on

[Tazaro]

Who was supposedly supposed to protect either SPB or GB?

[Tazaro]

Who was supposedly supposed to protect either SPB or GB?

*facepalm*

So I now assume they were one of the number of people who didn't claim.

[Tazaro]

I was going to speak toward something: do uthink it is a coincidence that the person who the protector supposedly did not protect was the person who died, GB. Something's going on with this? I would assume that the scum may have orchestrated this "bad luck" of GB's being shot, because if one or the other were going to be shot, why did scum try risking shooting either?

[Tazaro]

...Just read the beginning of Day 2, FFS.

I don't mean to give the impression that I misremembered that we were in a situation of there not being a protector/doctor claim, I thought there WAS a protector claim.

[Tazaro]

I'm assuming that it's in the realm of possibility that the doctor was roleblocked. Also, the explanation could be what SPB mentioned, a scum doctor.

[Tazaro]

Oh, the doc claim was in one of VM's ilk of longer posts.

[Tazaro]

Well, well, well, SPB has posted a lot.

[Tazaro]

(I tend to miss stuff when a person has a lot to say in postings).

[Tazaro]

Okay. We're ending the day, and we're doing it as soon as possible. My proposal is as follows- Rotate all transfers 1 player down, then lynch elmo. This would meant the following:

Pitty to PV (Moves here because elmo is getting lynched and GB is dead)
Seanald to SPB
Guille to Salamence
Philammon to Tammy
Voided to greygnarl
GreyICE to stephan

This alright with everyone?

I vote present on this motion

[Tazaro]

Pitty to PV (Moves here because elmo is getting lynched and GB is dead)
Seanald to SPB
greygnarl to Salamence
Philammon to Tammy
Tazaro to Mehdi
GreyICE to stephan

I'd ideally like this. Guille should not be transferring and should not be receiving because of Seanald's cop on him. I really want Seanald lynched today :<

Fine. I'll transfer money to Mehdi again.

[Tazaro]

Rule of thumb: If ___ is scum, so is the replacement.

[Tazaro]

Freezing not to be done on someone who has ever unvoted.
Provisional unvote from replacement if replacement dispels idea of Elmo's being scum--this opposed to acting scummy

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

Give you a pass for now

[Tazaro]

Why do you have $8?

Elmo's claim of having $50 left + Mod's wage/bonus granting of $100 - transfering of $142 = $8

That was I.

[Tazaro]

I have a reason to believe the QT thing is not a lie. I can say it if wanted.

[Tazaro]

Note to self: Read 324 once I've found the death itself.

I find the "note to self" a town tell

[Tazaro]

GB flipped town; he was killed.

[Tazaro]

Err, add 340/341 too

Shamrock, you can tell me your opinion on GreyICE, if you want something in particular to talk about. I want to know if other people think I'm vaguely on the right track here (and if I still do once I've finished catching up).

Shamrock is a replacement for GreyICE's slot. Amend your vote.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

*him.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

Now know BBmolla is the one who is shown as most early voting for Phillammon. Now want people to note if BBmolla had a compelling case?

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

No, not enough of a case>>

[Tazaro]

Well nuts. This is the third iteration of my post. If this crashes one more time, I GIVE UP.

1. BBmolla

Dayvig, a bit odd in places, but killed MoI, so he can't be all that bad. Odd mentality in some of his posts, especially those relating to lynching seanald over defender when the wagon hit critical mass.

2. Elmo TeH AzN

Lurking scum, fundamentally. His most recent post was stating the bleeding obvious rather than actually reacting or making a meaningful contribution, and the remainder of the iso is fundamentally worthless.

3. Declan_giggs (replaces GreyICE)

GreyICE tried to backpedal out of several things this game. First, he tried to backpedal out of having yelled loudly and repeatedly that Molla has no kill. Then, he tried to backpedal out of his townread on MoI. The issue is not the fact that he originally did these things, but instead that he is trying to pretend that they didn't happen. Then, declan has not appeared. Neither of these is good. Also, note the mentality in #1056. Strike anyone else as odd?

4. Guille2015

#659 is good, there is nothing in the ISO to particularly alarm me, looks reasonably good if a little low activity. Yeah, I know, hypocrisy.

5. Voidedmafia

Incredibly unrelentingly townie. Masses of walls, good analysis, piled on to MoI's scumslip. Good stuff.

6. Mehdi2277

Good and Full ISO, good posting, contributed highly to strategising as well as getting lots of reads out. Town.

8. SlumberPartyBois (a hydra of kanyeknowsbest + MattP)

One head is nearly good, but falls short. Their first post is a good example. It's like it's trying to emulate town thought processes, but hasn't quite made it. Poor assumptions, failed and in some cases disproved attempts to outguess the mod, and mildly obnoxious demeanor.

Then there's the kanye head. Yeah. High post count is good, but spam is not.

9. Pitty (a hydra of of Malakittens + PiggyGal15)

First 3 ISO posts are great, then it falls off. Until something comes of #1346, can't really pass judgement. Again, elements of lurkiness here, but who am I to talk.

10. StefanB

Post light, but well justified and attacking one of my scumreads with genuine logic. Good stuff.

11. Eidolon

Transitions seamlessly between lurking, incoherence and contributing. The failure to claim until late suggests that it's not a fakeclaim, but I reckon it does look suspicious all the same. Not sure which way to go on that, I'll be honest. (Unrelated, I recognize your name from somewhere. You frequent tg?)

12. PeregrineV

Unrelenetinglier town. If PV is scum, I will happily eat a multitude of hats.

13. Tazaro

Also a seanald pusher, with what may or may not be grey sheeping, however, reasonably good activity, and towny interactions with other players.

15. greygnarl

Second highest activity rate. A tad obnoxious but gets things done, and is very open with thought processes- and at that, there's a lot to go from. So pretty good, all in all. Solidly townish.

16. Seanald

Obnoxious is okay when it's backed with being townish, getting out reads and generally not doing what you are doing. The tammy tunnel is PARTICULARLY scummy. Unrelated, what game are you referring to in #1381? I don't recall having completed any games with you yet...

18. Tammy

260 and 251. That is all.

20. Salamence20

Confessing the DV straight up was very townish, it got better than there. I was confident enough yesterday to give him all my money, so I'm willing to stand by that.
I realize that this list has far too many townreads for them all to be right, but I promise you that I can justify them all, having been through all the isos in detail. The first 3 are more detailed because I had them copy pasted after attempt 2...

He implies there is something sort of wrong with both BBmolla and me when we are pushing Seanald instead of others.
But then proceeds to denote Seanald as red scum.
I think it is worth seeing some Seanald mentions in his ISO.

[Tazaro]

Addition to previous post. Also note that the only commentary in which Phil writes a question into a statement is for GreyICE/Declan. He also wrote the longest blurb about him, and this is negative; potentially bussing from Phil. I'm seeing good promise in Tammy's logical ability. I think I may agree with her on voting Shamrock, but can switch to Phillammon, but somehow it's a two-member-wagon and no more than that right now, perhaps because he gets townie points for his commentary or whatnot.

VOTE: Shamrock

[Tazaro]

And in case anyone still doesn't know, GreyICE-Declan-Shamrock are the same slot

[Tazaro]

Just so it is known, I both engaged in a transfer of money AND won the Auction Detective ability.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro explain how you win auction cop when neighborizer won.

The oracle predicted that one of the abilities that would be up for bidding was auction detective, which meant it was going to be up for bidding no matter what ability won in the advertisement dynamic.

UNVOTE

, I actually think my case relies to much on Phil scum.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro explain how you win auction cop when neighborizer won.

The oracle predicted that one of the abilities that would be up for bidding was auction detective, which meant it was going to be up for bidding no matter what ability won in the advertisement dynamic.

UNVOTE

, I actually think my case relies to much on Phil scum.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is not his:town metaz

[Tazaro]

silly colon (:), bran is not for kids

[Tazaro]

Ignore the quote that got into my post #1703 somehow<.<

[Tazaro]

The distance between Elmo's play and that of callforjudgement's is stark. It is an interesting development to PeregrineV's getting two people on his wagon, but why is the case on Shamrock not clear to me?

[Tazaro]

P-edit:

Scum has a plan with Neighborizer

, if both teams used, one for nightkill the other for advertising.

Is

this

why PeregrineV for some reason indicate he has neighborizer on his mind a few posts ago?

[Tazaro]

*indicates

[Tazaro]

Okay, to make it more clear.
1. Oracle vs tracker: We don't have the oracle anymore (2-shot) and this is the reason we should advertise it.
2. Advertising tonight: We have money on cop. As long as we advertise on tracker or oracle we have the problem, that we shouldn't overdue it to get cop so let's say 10 on tracker today, vs 10 on tracker tomorrow, what is the difference?
3. Votefreezer: We have someone who binds on that, and town burns it tomorrow. This is 100%, this is an ability that should be accounted for and out of the game. (I have seen acidently hammers, with an outed town doublevoter and lylo is at last one of the problems here)
4. Well it is a posibility tonight, if we think that we could need more on cop and don't want to loose that. I don't say we should have multible players advertising. I say that if we want to advertise tonight, we should be thinking about strengen that what we allready have.

Should someone who has hammered before be exempt from the possibility of having his/her vote freezed?

[Tazaro]

How about if anyone has ever hammered, then their vote will not be a vote that will be freezed?

[Tazaro]

No, I'm asking whether it would be strategic/good idea to NOT eventually freeze someone's vote IF that person has been on record as hammering someone.

[Tazaro]

Example: Voided is now on record as having hammered someone. Should Voided be someone whose vote is not eventually freezed when it is eventually time to freeze someone's vote?

[Tazaro]

See: Worst Role
See: This Game

Compare and contrast.

What's your point here?

[Tazaro]

About activity level?

[Tazaro]

pushing their own wagons quite hard

PLEASE LYNCH PEREGRINE

[Tazaro]

joining major wagons

OR, I OPEN MYSELF TO JOINING SHAMROCK WAGON

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

VOTE: Shamrock

[Tazaro]

I'm happy to justify any of them. They're more a collation than a list.

How about actually justifying your display of <Red Shamrock> with justification next to it?

[Tazaro]

Might as well reassure onlookers that you are not, say, just hopping on the wagon for convenience

[Tazaro]

Hopefully nobody who would be voting for Shamrock is held back only by the "gambler's fallacy" by virtue of GreyICE's being a villain in the first Marketplace Mafia game]

[Tazaro]

*would otherwise be* sounds better.

[Tazaro]

3) failing
2) point
1) no freezing vote of a hammerer

3) It is tempting to use the failing "logic" that is the"gambler's fallacy"--might as well discourage it if anybody thinks Shamrock is suspicious otherwise
2) The point that addresses "why" is: 1) I was thinking that if someone hammers one time, then perhaps it gives us information if his/her vote isn't frozen and he/she hammers some more. Wouldn't you want to be aware of the fact that there is a repeat-hammerer if a person would turn out to be one?

[Tazaro]

The three things relate to three question statements in StefanB's previous post;

[Tazaro]

Oracle. Let's stay the course of getting info on what can be purchased.

[Tazaro]

What do I do with my money?

[Tazaro]

*takes page's last post*

[Tazaro]

Hammer, someone/

[Tazaro]

The Shamrock wagon was on scum.
What were we townies who were on that wagon doing right?

[Tazaro]

?????

?????

[Tazaro]

hopefully ... we keep up the right thinking that was also seen in the Shamrock wagon movement

[Tazaro]

His post in the neighbourhood was weird though, considering his scumread on me.

Who cares?
2 me, it wouldn't be wise if Seanald were scum and claimed "yes" or "no" on whether cfj used the investigation immunity. There's a fifty-fifty chance that he would be wrong and cfj could then call him out on it

[Tazaro]

How can any other information show that Seanald is scum after Seanald's claim that cfj did not use the Investigation Immunity, which apparently should show up as "town" instead of "not mafia"? cfj could have or could have not used the Investigation Immunity, so if Seanald claimed that he did when he actually didn't, or that he didn't when he actually did, then that contradiction could be something that cfj can expose, which would not be good for Seanald's survival.

[Tazaro]

...then

its also another reason why I decided to investigate him, if he used it then it woulda meant he is scum in my opinion.

...how would would you know that he didn't use it if he could only be shown as "mafia" or not "not mafia"?

VOTE: Seanald

It does not then follow that Seanald is town, I would concede, SPB.

[Tazaro]

But why did Seanald suggest that he could see whether cfj used the I.I. if, in fact, the phrase "Not Mafia" would be displayed regardless of whether cfj used the I.I.?

[Tazaro]

So what is Sean claiming to have. A cop ability from an auction, or a cop "role"?
Cop ability as described by Magua.

I'm sorry for being so clueless. I'll start catching up soon, but probably won't be done until after my exam tomorrow.

I investigated CFJ. He is not mafia.

lolwut? How does Seanald know he didn't use the II?

(Totally ignoring your request to shut up.)

Yes, how would he know?

[Tazaro]

So what is Sean claiming to have. A cop ability from an auction, or a cop "role"?

Tazaro's answer: Cop ability as described by Magua.

I investigated CFJ. He is not mafia.

lolwut? How does Seanald know he didn't use the II?

(Totally ignoring your request to shut up.)

Yes, how would he know?

[Tazaro]

idiot town? why not idiot SCUM? It's equally retarded as town and scum, no?

I posted with my alt again <_<

[Tazaro]

NINJA'D by two posts.
...but if equally RETARDED for town, not equally likely to be DONE by town, no?
Since he wouldn't know whether I.I. was used, isn't he lying by saying it wasn't and scumslipped? Wouldn't such lying be done by scum?

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

dkhe'sscum

[Tazaro]

#dkhe'sscum = #don't know he's scum

alt post,,,,

[Tazaro]

If you are insinuating I could be uncertain of Seanald's being scum without necessarily unvoting from him, then additionally, I am prepared to vote for one in {VM, greygnarl}

[Tazaro]

Phil-->a TOWN member
To me, he doesn't really have a presence. However, in assessing a person who doesn't really have a presence, I find that a non-present person is relatively unlikely to be scum if they are eager to, without fear of being called a busser, put their vote to someone who in that person's mind might turn out to be scum, which is what Shamrock turned out to be.

[Tazaro]

Phil-->a TOWN member
To me, he doesn't really have a presence. However, in assessing a person who doesn't really have a presence, I find that a non-present person is relatively unlikely to be scum if they are eager to, without fear of being called a busser, put their vote to someone who in that person's mind might turn out to be scum, which is what Shamrock turned out to be.

[Tazaro]

^^ I think you can be a LEFT member. IT's PINGINESs
I don't think Phil is a LEFT.

[Tazaro]

I find the points on MoI more convincing as of yet than those on Seanald, though, so VOTE: MoI.

Something about this post rings as genuine suspicion of MoI, the first LEFT member to die.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro, how accurate are your reads, usually?

And how accurate are your votes, usually (as in, what proportion of the time you vote as town, is your vote actually on scum)?

I already was part of the mislynch of D3f3nd3r. Does that shine light on any of your questions here?

[Tazaro]

Compare the excerpt from Phillammon with your input about MoI:

VOTE: Seanald

Plan is vote Seanald then daykill MoI right?

No because MoI doesn't need to be daykilled (or killed), period.

Oh look--it's greygnarl that you responded to. Ooh ooh

[Tazaro]

For instance, you have a habit of unvoting whenever you aren't sure. Does that mean, that whenever you vote, you

are

sure?

Of course not. I am not omniscient.

[Tazaro]

^^ I think you can be a LEFT member. IT's PINGINESs
I don't think Phil is a LEFT.

It's *what*?

Back on the site for a short while, gonna try and do a catch up on all of the games. Seanald is still scum, SPB are still way too mysterious and I'm not sure of what to make about CFJ in particular at the moment. I'll admit that the investigation is interesting, I'm debating whether it was attempted wifom or not.

PEdit: By definition, a majority of players were on the d3f3nd3r lynch. As with the shamrock lynch. It's not a great measure.

Pinginess can be associated with the adjective "visceral"

[Tazaro]

You can just say gut feeling, y'know.

Or have I misunderstood?

GUT PINGINESs

[Tazaro]

...So why does it matter that I responded to GG?

I could have no trouble associating you with greygnarl in my pondering

[Tazaro]

Let's do this, shall we?

VOTE: greygnarl

[Tazaro]

What better way to stymie suspicion than to get the NK and choose not to kill with it?

[Tazaro]

If it's a bad day to lynch greygnarl, then

UNVOTE

F.O.S.: greygnarl

[Tazaro]

If a lynch is my fate here, then may it be resolved that it is timely to say, "I accept it."

[Tazaro]

How about "it BE timely"?

[Tazaro]

But if I am to die, how about with a nk?

[Tazaro]

Nevertheless, decide my fate.

[Tazaro]

Would this help you decide it?

VOTE: Tazaro

[Tazaro]

I'm basically obsessed with buying stuff.

[Tazaro]

Ok, this will be my "worksheet" to fill in for my reads:
SlumberPartyBois,
greygnarl,
callforjudgement,
N,
Mehdi2277,
Phillammon,
Seanald,
BBmolla,
VoidedMafia,
Pitty,
Guille2015,
StefanB,
DeasVail,
PeregrineV,
Tammy,

[Tazaro]

Now doubly spaced:

SlumberPartyBois,

greygnarl,

callforjudgement,

N,

Mehdi2277,

Phillammon,

Seanald,

BBmolla,

VoidedMafia,

Pitty,

Guille2015,

StefanB,

DeasVail,

PeregrineV,

Tammy,

[Tazaro]

Tazaro 11/21/12
SlumberPartyBois, LEFT possibly

greygnarl, LEFT

callforjudgement, Misguided TOWN for voting me?

N, ??

Mehdi2277, if I trusted her enough to give money, so ...

Phillammon, TOWN member

Seanald, If scum, not in the same team as SPB?

BBmolla, I trusted his claim

VoidedMafia, said he could be LEFT member

Pitty, Gut pinged by this participant

Guille2015, Gut pinged by this participant

StefanB, Same as Tammy below if not more null

DeasVail, Null to scum

PeregrineV, ?

Tammy, Null leaning town to town

[Tazaro]

Tazaro, TOWN

UNVOTE

A++

[Tazaro]

So why the vote, why the 2 usless post?
Well the reads are not that great usful.
Phil and then Mehdi are your greatest townreads right?

If you are town, can you please try to play to win?

Forget the vote. Forget the 2 posts. Grade my reads.
Phil, BBmolla, and Mehdi would have my trust.
Town can win after lynching me.

[Tazaro]

Wining after your lynch is easier, should I thank you for making that lynch easy?

Would you want to thank me even after my flipping town?

[Tazaro]

Pursuant to the VC and my list:

VOTE: Seanald

[Tazaro]

Do you want me to answer your question having to do with thanking me?

[Tazaro]

Now we're back to Seanald instead of GG/me?

One word: Viability

[Tazaro]

About your list, am I correct that you are voting a null, slight scum read now???

If this is the question you want me to answer, then I am voting someone who is squarely in the realm of possibility of being scum if I voting Seanald.

[Tazaro]

am *

[Tazaro]

Hammer me out of the spotlight.

**I am a star unless I am not a star.

[Tazaro]

Let me put myself in a position in which I, MYSELF, get to say this:

L-2

because of

UNVOTE

VOTE: Tazaro

[Tazaro]

2 more votes
clap clap clap

[Tazaro]

L-1

[Tazaro]

1 more vote
clap clap clap

[Tazaro]

Thinning the herd
clap clap clap

[Tazaro]

1------> x x
_______ O

[Tazaro]

Phil-->a TOWN member
To me, he doesn't really have a presence. However, in assessing a person who doesn't really have a presence, I find that a non-present person is relatively unlikely to be scum if they are eager to, without fear of being called a busser, put their vote to someone who in that person's mind might turn out to be scum, which is what Shamrock turned out to be.

I was on the spot to make a judgment about Phillammon; can you tell that I basically b.s.'ed this or did not really believe how I was judging him?

[Tazaro]

Apparently, open games are the games for me-

[Tazaro]

-as long as I don't replace into them but start them fresh