Mini 1429 - Hunt in the Dungeon - Game Over

[Slandaar]

Just to make things easier for all my fellow townies I am just going to straight out tell you I am town.

So, we are off to a great start, 1 post 1 conftown.

[Slandaar]

I think it was my second game on site.

Good to know you are town.

If everyone was as considerate as me we would be able to find the scum in no time!

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Almost.

Your nemesis Sol helped foil us

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Bacde was joking obviously

However, she did suggest I am not conftown which is definitely voteworthy!

[Slandaar]

Been good! Nice to see you about again.

[Slandaar]

Worst posters so far are Suffer and Rev

Russian guy is very new.

[Slandaar]

He made a terrible random vote when he could have voted seriously.

He ignored the Russianov stuff completely when it is actually suspicious until you look at his posts on site; he obviously felt it isn't so why not say so?

[Slandaar]

You are wrong on suffer its more to do with not interpreting Bacde as it should have been.

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You.

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What do you think then?

[Slandaar]

What has me not voting got to do with someone rvs'ing in post 32?

[Slandaar]

You are too narrowminded.

I posted content I don't need to vote. Rev RVS'ed when he could have posted content/voted seriously he had no inclination to do so when the russian stuff was worth a comment if he wanted to contribute.

Note: Content and voting seriously are the same thing.

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Additionally, you seem to assume to know what I think about russianov, based off of my RVS vote.

Well I asked you; what do you think then?

[Slandaar]

Why exactly is it so important that I comment on russianov when you haven't done so yourself?

I did.

Like, out of all the players in the game, you single me out because I didn't comment on something I didn't think was worth commenting on.

Something you obviously feel is important in determining how "bad" I am at this game.

Something you haven't talked about at all, other than wanting me to comment on it.


Like, did my RVS vote scare you that much? It was a joke, but now I'm fine keeping it on your disingenuous ass.

lol What?

VOTE: Rev

He is scum pretty obvious.

[Slandaar]

Something you obviously feel is important in determining how "bad" I am at this game.

Make it more obvious; where does this come from? (I caught him in one post)

[Slandaar]

Him suggesting I am thinking he is bad;
If he thinks I am scum genuinely then the fact is I can't think hes bad due to current events; ie hes voting me. So, he cannot actually think I am scum thinking this.

Therefore he is in fact scum himself as his thoughts do not come from town.

[Slandaar]

A. I'm bad because I voted for someone non-seriously when

I Had an opportunity to vote seriously

I never said bad but Right

Throughout this whole exchange (up until your most recent post), you have had the "opportunity to vote seriously" but haven't.

OK

So, you are random voting, why are you doing this? to try to make things happen, this is the point of the random votes, but you random voted when you can easily have posted more meaningful content which better furthers the cause intended by a random vote.

I just didn't vote but posted content. There is no comparison I was contributing to that goal; you were not.

Again though; aside from Twitch, no one else has even talked about Russianov besides the two quick votes on him, which you did not address, nor have you addressed Russianov at all; how is it that little old Revenus should be talking about this situation when you haven't even talked about it?

I did.

You even quoted it.

Finally, there's your post on why I'm scum

Lets think about it shall we?
You say I am scum, You vote me, You say I think you are bad.

How can I in said scenario?

I can't; your read is fake you know I am town so you are scum.

[Slandaar]

Rev raises a good point about Slandaar's argument against him: seems very weak and hypocritical considering he's doing the same thing

This is probably scum btw

It is horrendus parrotting on something which is clearly not right in the first place.

[Slandaar]

There is no hypocrisy in my posts

Put it like this; my first post of the game is infinitely more useful than Rev's.

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lol

No I didn't.

Go get some quotes.

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He ignored the Russianov stuff completely when it is actually suspicious until you look at his posts on site; he obviously felt it isn't so why not say so?

You.

I don't understand where you're getting how I feel about anyone in my first post aside from continuing your joke from your first post.

Like, out of all the players in the game, you single me out because I didn't comment on something I didn't think was worth commenting on.

How obvious does it need to be?

I say; rev could have said the russian stuff isn't anything and explain why he thinks that

Rev say: WHAT HOW YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK???

Later Rev say: I DIDNT THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING IN IT.

The point being; it doesn't matter how I know what hes thinking when I am right.

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Like, out of all the players in the game, you single me out because I didn't comment on something I didn't think was worth commenting on.

Why me? Why me? Why did you focus on me???

Something you obviously feel is important in determining how "bad" I am at this game.

As said; this comes from the fact he knows hes caught at no point did I insinuate this.

Something you haven't talked about at all, other than wanting me to comment on it.

As said; I have commented on it, Rev even quoted the post earlier so hes just misrepping religiously.

Like, did my RVS vote scare you that much? It was a joke, but now I'm fine keeping it on your disingenuous ass.

Where did this even come from? its just nonsense

The guy is scum.

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He ignored the Russianov stuff completely

when it is actually suspicious until you look at his posts on site;

he obviously felt it isn't so why not say so?

nor have you addressed Russianov at all; how is it that little old Revenus should be talking about this situation when you haven't even talked about it?

Amazing. I have said what I thought about it.

Its like when I said repeatedly I did Rev thought I was lying yet didn't accuse me so.

[Slandaar]

OK Rev English comprehension classes;

He made a terrible random vote when he could have voted seriously.

He ignored the Russianov stuff completely when it is actually suspicious until you look at his posts on site; he obviously felt it isn't so why not say so?

So, I'm not scummy at this point for you, but "bad". Already you are trying to discredit someone who is voting you, even when it's a joke.

So here I clearly say 'his vote was terrible'

Now Rev says 'not scummy I am bad'

See Rev is talking about himself, where I am talking about the vote for example;

Man Utd played terrible yesterday; you are talking about their play
Man Utd are the best team in England; you are talking about your opinion on them.

Difference is very very obvious the two are completely independent of each other.

So, Rev explain to me something;

Why do you think that I thought you were bad from the one RVS vote; do you think this is a sensible assumption to make? Does your RVS vote make you look like a bad player in your opinion?

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Half of your "case" on me is from that yet your sentence construction is so poor I, and the rest of the game, was unable to tell that you were actually giving your thoughts on Russianov in that paragraph.

No half of YOUR case on ME, my case has nothing to do with you not understanding although I can see that it may be misinterpreted.

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Finaly, I'm trying to understand Slandaar's case on me since he keeps saying he "caught" me. Slandaar, lay it out for me one more time, will you?

Include All those posts above yours along with your terrible RVS vote

Then let me know why you are voting me when your case doesn't exist anymore.

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Why exactly is it so important that I comment on russianov when you haven't done so yourself?

I did.

His reply post;

you did not address, nor have you addressed Russianov at all; how is it that little old Revenus should be talking about this situation when you haven't even talked about it?

There is no cohesion to his thoughts; I say I did he just completely ignores it; either I lied or I am telling the truth but this doesn't matter to him.

also; 'little old revenus' is scummy because he is trying to act the innocent.

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You have no answer

How... surprising.

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how is it that little old Revenus

If anyone thinks this is anything but scum they are insane.

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you're scummier for tunnelling

Tunnelling is a scumtell
(its not; need more examples?)

picking the most obscure points and misrepresenting them as a case

I didn't misrep anything, quotes are needed here.

ignoring calls for reads on others and generally making a dogs dinner of Day one, given that RVS has given way to inane accusations and arguments that have gone nowhere.

That is generally what happens on Day 1.

I don't really want to post my reads at this point I like to do that later in the day. Mac is lolscum though.

He and Rev link well so there is that too.

[Slandaar]

No that isn't active lurking.

Active lurking is when you are reading the thread but not posting and this is where the scumtell of lurking comes from unfortunately most don't use it correctly someone who doesn't post much is not necessarily lurking they might just not have time to post.

Active lurking and lurking are the same thing lurking is the shorthand version no other form of lurking exists it is just not taught to people correctly so they assume low posts=lurking.

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Rev raises a good point about Slandaar's argument against him: seems very weak and hypocritical considering he's doing the same thing

I am just going to say what Rev said!

However, I must say even though Rev may have made a good point I am going to keep voting him!!!

Please don't hide behind other people's opinions on him either

and for twisting my words.

(He made an accusation of his own it doesn't matter what you think of it)

He was also 'hiding' behind what Rev said earlier...

[Slandaar]

Hey, you're a clever guy who can spot the difference apparently (see #93) - I'm sure you can see the difference between my post and russianov's. I'll give you a clue: I didn't hide behind Rev's argument and vote you, merely agreed with him about you.

OK; and he merely agreed with what 'others' had said

What is the difference again?

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That doesn't mean anything.

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A says x is scum due to P's case
B says y is scum due to Q's case and votes

The vote makes B scummy? no it doesn't it means nothing in fact incriminates A more for not voting.

[Slandaar]

OK in context;
Rev is scum my wagon didn't go far; I am of course town

You as scum don't vote as if you do the scum really are all in on the Rev vs Me so you leave your vote on scum Rev while actually hedging the other way.

[Slandaar]

OK lets think about this; you were saying I was being hypocritical for not voting my 'suspect'; when you yourself were not voting your 'suspect'.

And yes, you wanted to see how it developed that is the point; you wanted to see who else voted that is basically what I said; you had your vote on Rev but hedged the other way ie if others voted you could but didn't want to all in with Rev without enough town support.

Nothing Russian has done is actually scummy. Jumping on bandwagons opportunistically is one of these things people like to jump on too much.

[Slandaar]

so you think russianov is just extremely dumb?

I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Whatever his alignment is; basically yes.

[Slandaar]

Even as scum he can't think he can lie about the believing the deadline to be close.

If he does (see above post) otherwise (see above post) if he is town (see above post)

Exactly.

[Slandaar]

I have to go out now Slandaar so will answer you when I'm back, but if you think nothing is scummy by russianov can you please point out where Twitch twisted his words?

3.

If the wrong person gets bandwagon'd.

So you find that a person who is wrongfully bandwagon yields a net loss for town automatically.

Interesting.

Point 3 is his answer.

It isn't good, but it does make sense and I can see someone thinking it was twisted.

He didn't say it was a net loss automatically; he said if the wrong person is wagoned; think cop.

Is this what he means? well we have to assume so now because I have outed my interpretation because people seem to require it.

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Delta you know I have actually voted right?

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Where are you Revenus and what do you think of the twitch wagon?

[Slandaar]

Nope. Active Lurking

The wiki is wrong; what I said is an absolutely huge scumtell and isn't covered by either so you know its wrong. Doesn't really matter though.

Third; right now I'd rather lynch ztife over either wagon, if no one wants to join me on Slandaar, for being the most fucking worthless player in the game right now

Why do you think I am scum again? I actually have no idea.

Mac vote > Ztife.

[Slandaar]

It makes no sense!

I can probably find more.

What is hypocritical again?

[Slandaar]

I see you didn't answer my question

[Slandaar]

If the answer is so obvious why don't you show it.

[Slandaar]

What makes you think this is the right person to bandwagon then? Please don't hide behind other people's opinions on him either

Slandaar.. can't you see my point here? If russianov thoughts his words were being twisted, why didn't he say anything? Why didn't he challenge twitch? Why did he leave until he was voting for him to say it?

It reeks of him waiting for others to build a bandwagon and then him saying "yep, what they said and look he twisted my words too!"

I believe your point changed Mac. Perhaps if I argue it it will change again?

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I don't really know how you think I would have an answer; I don't know what he thinks.

There are reasons for it though.

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He linked to a player being sure that Slandaar was scum, but who was wrong.

No the point was they were saying I made no sense (but I was right)

[Slandaar]

V/LA till Sunday 10th

[Slandaar]

Look you headless chickens just vote Rev he is actually scum unlike these terrible wagons on town Bacde and likely town Ztife

[Slandaar]

Hes voting Rev who is scum

That is a good indicator too

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Mac is Revs buddy yes

I did explain this a while ago

Currently thinking twitch is #3

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Vote Count 1.8

Bacde: 3 (

Suffer

,

YOLO

, don_johnson)
Revenus: 2 (

Slandaar

,

ztife

)
russianov: 2 (

Mac

,

Twitch da Woof

)
Slandaar: 1 (

Revenus

)
Twitch da Woof: 4 (

Limo

,

Deltabacon, mozamis, Bacde

)

Not Voting: russianov

Twitch needs lynching

VOTE: Twitch

[Slandaar]

I am town

That is why scumbag Rev

[Slandaar]

In case it isn't obvious Mac/Rev are on every wagon except the twitch one

No problem for solving the game town.

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russianov: 3 (Mac, Twitch da Woof, Bacde)

There is your buddy mac voting Russian

I don't remember a moz wagon

I said except twitch

That was quite the desperate response.

[Slandaar]

What?

[Slandaar]

lol k

[Slandaar]

Good Idea I am in.

[Slandaar]

@Slandar since you're more likely to post than Twitch: post #404 what does Don's name in black mean? I just want to be sure that it means what I think it means.

Undecided.

With Russian it means null

The difference is really that DJ I have opinions on certain things some town some scum and it just kind of balances to somewhere right in the middle where Russian I have no real opinion on.

[Slandaar]

Rev could you remind me why you think I am scum?

I am a forgetful guy I can't quite remember.

[Slandaar]

Why is it you cannot actually produce any arguments on me when I ask?

[Slandaar]

Show me your current case.

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Revvy link to this case if you want that is fine

But linking to an ISO is a scum thing; you are not actually linking to anything that you can be held accountable for hence why you do it; its an avoidance tactic.

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This is your case on me?

Vote:slandaar

because one time scum told me that anyone too town is obviously scum.

Point Proven.

Where is your case Rev?

[Slandaar]

I know it was your RVS vote obviously.

The point is; I can say this is wrong and you say well that isn't the case! hence avoidance tactics or I can say something and you say well I don't think that anymore!

So you can link now.

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lol

VOTE: Rev

I can't accept anyone else being lynched today.

[Slandaar]

Because the case on you is still the same bro.

B. I'm also bad because I didn't comment on Russianov.

Did Russianov do anything exciting enough to be commented on? Is he currently a topic of discussion? How did I "obviously feel that Russianov is suspicious"? I actually really want to know how I'm the only one who should be thinking Russianov is suspicious, at this point.

Again though; aside from Twitch, no one else has even talked about Russianov besides the two quick votes on him, which you did not address, nor have you addressed Russianov at all; how is it that little old Revenus should be talking about this situation when you haven't even talked about it?

Tldr:both of the things Slandaar accuses me of being "bad" for are things he's also doing

Half of your "case" on me is from that yet your sentence construction is so poor I, and the rest of the game, was unable to tell that you were actually giving your thoughts on Russianov in that paragraph.

"He ignored the Russianov stuff completely when it is actually suspicious until you look at his posts on site;"

When you read this it looks like you are telling me it is suspicious that I have ignored the Russianov stuff until you iso me; if you say "he" to refer to me, then switch to using "his" to refer to Russianov, NO ONE IS GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE SWITCHED". Then, you follow up with another use of "he". It's fucking confusing.

Stonewall case; Rev is scum; his case hasn't changed read (part of) the case read the bottom quote.

Yeah.

It should have changed if he were town; it didn't so hes scum.

Pretty freaking obvious, he cannot actually refute this as he refused to explain his current case and this must be the case hes talking about.

[Slandaar]

I expect him to be dead by tomorrow.

[Slandaar]

I don't know what you said and don't care

I feel you don't understand the magnitude of my case on you.

[Slandaar]

Rev: My case is same as it was before!
Previously;
Rev Case: Sland not say x!
Rev: oh Whoops Sland did say x!

Case obviously should have changed if Rev were town he has not been taking on board new information.

Lynch.

He cannot argue this isn't correct as he had multiple opportunities to look at his case and say what is different; he had multiple opportunities to link to a different post if he wants to argue that route hence this case is actually the most stonewall case you will ever get.

[Slandaar]

How to know Rev is scum:

Rev: SLAND SCUM YaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Sland: make the case; try and lynch me
Rev: NO WAIS!!!!!! I WILL NOT DO IT!!!!!

How to know Mac is scum:
Mac: Vote Rev
Mac: Good Point Rev!!!!!!!!! Sland is scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mac: Voting Rev still weeeeeee
Sland: Good job Mac you are clearly hedging; Vote Rev in case he loses the 1v1 but you have shaped to vote me.
Mac: YAHHHHHHHHHHHH FIFTY POSTS HAVE IT SLAND
Mac: OK back to 1 post a day again

Then tie in twitch and wow.

Plus the fact Rev can continually post but couldn't spend 2 minutes explaining why he thinks I am scum

Seriously

Rev is scum. It is very very obvious.

The vote thing is simple: Rev and Mac one or both has been on every major wagon except twitch, is this coincidence? I don't think so but its not impossible. Now include the fact only my town reads have voted Twitch and we can see how well the three link up. Rev tries to make some huge deal about this he tries to harp on about how my cases are bad therefore he cannot be scum but this isn't town; even if my case(s) are terrible it is no indication of his alignment unless I am scum (hint: I am not) Whenever we engage it is clearly only one person on the offensive and one on the defensive; he is not trying to get his scum read ie me lynched

Therefore Rev is scum.

[Slandaar]

I notice how your current scumread on me includes nothing from your original case. You, as scum, found someone, called them scum, and now are throwing shit on the wall hoping something sticks.

Its called being town

I can see my original case just isn't going to work so I have just made new arguments to get scumyou lynched

Unlike your approach;

Heres my case on Sland!
Oh didn't work? OK! lets try lynch someone else!

[Slandaar]

This is actually nonsense.

Can we lynch Rev please I have actually proven beyond doubt he is scum. Proven. There is literally no debate to be had; my case is watertight.

Rev says X
Rev says X is wrong

Rev later says X is his case

Why isn't he dead yet?

[Slandaar]

nor have you addressed Russianov at all; how is it that little old Revenus should be talking about this situation when you haven't even talked about it?

Tldr:both of the things Slandaar accuses me of being "bad" for are things he's also doing

I, and the rest of the game, was unable to tell that you were actually giving your thoughts on Russianov in that paragraph.

Because the case on you is still the same bro.

The last quote is talking about the top

There I cut it down so its very clear.

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nor have you addressed Russianov at all;

This was a big part of Rev's case; I was hypocritical for not commenting on Russian

I, was unable to tell that you were actually giving your thoughts on Russianov

Here Rev admits actually I had given my thoughts he just was unable to tell (which is fair) but the point is this means the top point is invalid.

Because the case on you is still the same bro.

Here he is stating the original case is still why he thinks I am scum which cannot be right as he admitted previously that in fact it is wrong.

Hence he is scum the reason is his reads are not flowing properly he is not actually building a case on me which this clearly shows.

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The fact his 'case' has not changed for 500 posts also supports this; his reads don't actually evolve they are static.

Town doesn't do this because town doesn't tunnel on a case that doesn't make sense to begin with.

Here we see Rev suggesting I am tunnelling on one case where I have made multiple arguments against him throughout this thread.

He is in fact the one who harps on about the one point because people couldn't understand it; this is a tactic to discredit me.

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Rev thinks by continually bringing up a point that people don't understand it makes him look town

But it doesn't; it means nothing except that it lets you see his mindset; he defends himself multiple times with variations of 'look this post makes no sense so these other arguments can't be right either!' Which obviously isn't true.

I mean when was the last time he said anything I did was scummy except tunnelling and hammering (lol) he doesn't actually make arguments, the tunnel argument is bad, I (nearly) always tunnel so its completely null, he only ever talks about the one point. (which is correct btw and you will all see when he flips scum)

[Slandaar]

I'm getting lynched; your towncred is set if I'm scum.

What does this even mean?
(apart from Rev is scum)

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VOTE: Mac

Yes I am obviously town.

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OK I will spend the time responding to this because I think you are town; seriously think about the answers.

post 5 ( slandaar )

Just to make things easier for all my fellow townies I am just going to straight out tell you I am town.
So, we are off to a great start, 1 post 1 conftown.

I don't like this post. I know people will say it's rvs and blahblahblah but this post is just of. Dont like it.

@ Slandaar, why did you come out like that in the beggining? don't you dare answer with the rvs nonesense as everything you/do in rvs

Has the same meaning as the rest of the game

It was a page 1 post 1 reaction test. Think about it this way what is more useful for the very first post of the game; what I posted or vote bacde for nonsense? Clearly what I posted so its a good post.

post 17 (slandaar)

However, she did suggest I am not conftown which is definitely voteworthy!

I know you'll say you were just joking around but saying stuff like this dings on my scumdar

Well I was joking; why shouldn't I?

post 33 (slandaar)

Worst posters so far are Suffer and Rev

and you say that with 5 posts and no content. Hmmm....

Well this post is content; my first post is actually content too considering it was the first post of the game if you can make a more meaningful first post I would like you to show it otherwise you can see the vast chasm in meaning behind my post and Rev's RVS vote.

post 16 (Suffer)

vote: Bacde

Not random

.

seriously weird vote
@Suffer, why did you put this vote down with the 'not random' bit

You must agree with me regarding Suffer as shown above.

post 36 (slandaar)

He made a terrible random vote when he could have voted seriously.

wtf is this post about?

Explained a lot;

Basically in RVS you vote to move the game along and the idea is to joke around with votes untill someone does something slightly suspicious for example Russians post about bandwagons starting early; its suspicious to some degree because it is a stating the obvious post. (once you look at his experience things change)

Rev ignored this; he also ignored my actual declaration I am conftown which he could have argued; either of these things he could have commented on to continue discussion/encourage it which is the whole idea of random voting BUT it means more than just placing a random vote which is what he did so instead of contributing to the ultimate goal of RVS he just made a random vote hence his vote was terrible.

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Now; think about this; the only posts you even question of mine are from RVS, this is because I think about things in a much different way; however you should be able to see the brilliance of my first post now therefore you can call me town and trust me when I say; your reads are wrong.

[Slandaar]

Town;
Me
Bacde

Very likely town
Rem
Limo
Declan
Delta

Leaves;
Ztife/DJ/Mac/Key

3 of those 4 are scum I expect; Mac is basically a certainty at this point.

[Slandaar]

Regarding DJ; his play seems fine when you look at it but meta wise hes so off; he will argue it has been a while since he played which is valid; but the difference is too vast I think.

He is probably scum in other words.

[Slandaar]

Ztife or Key I would guess Key basically because when Rev flips town you can see why Key had both of us as scum reads; to vote the other today its an easy scum tactic.

[Slandaar]

Mac is so scum lol.

Rem: I will look into Delta later but I think hes town it doesn't matter how much someone is wrong.

[Slandaar]

No hes scum

[Slandaar]

If I tell you I'm town, does that ease your concerns???

The question assumes Rem is town ie only town have concerns scum just wanna lynch town they don't care who.

[Slandaar]

Rem please step forward to receive your medal from me!

VOTE: Revenus

only name I recognise.

Rev raises a good point about Slandaar's argument against him: seems very weak and hypocritical considering he's doing the same thing

(still voting Rev)

My vote was RVS, I hadn't moved it because I wanted to see how it developed between you two.

Sitting back is absolutely a scumtell here; absolutely.

Town v Town he was waiting to see which side won and guess what? as soon as it was clear I did he voted Rev even after arguing with me which was basically the only things he posted all day.

I'm sorry, but what? You're really scraping the barrel trying to bring me into it. I'm not even sure what your point is, but neither me nor Rev was on Bacde's early wagon either. So please expand on it.

He must have suspected me after posting this but in his very next post he votes Rev no problem.

don't worry, I'm prepared for the backlash of "LOLBUS"

This is also a huge scumtell because it shows hes thinking about how his actions will be perceived by others too much.

There is your case Mac.

[Slandaar]

Don't play stupid Don it is very obvious that twitch was not a mafia kill.

[Slandaar]

DJ is good enough to know scum don't just nk mislynch fodder.
Twitch was clearly a mislynch waiting to happen.
Mafia therefore would never kill Twitch.

If DJ were town there is no way he would not know this; look at his posts hes an intelligent guy.

Therefore DJ is scum.

There is no other argument that needs to be made here.

VOTE: DJ

Lynch.

[Slandaar]

We are completely on the same wavelength

Just need the rest of the town to shape up.

[Slandaar]

Unless you knew otherwise, which you don't, it is anti-town to assume so.

LOL

OK SCUM

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Dear Don Johnson

Recently I made a case against you, if you could PBP like you say you can do for any case Rem makes against you I would greatly appreciate your thoughts especially regarding why you think scum would ever nk twitch I would love to get inside your mind and understand why that would ever happen as this just seems insane to me my tiny little mind cannot comprehend it!

Hope to hear from you soon

Slandaar

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i am still unclear on the logic. i found it pretty obvious that twitch was town. maybe even power.

Sorry for absence. Too many classes, too little time.

Vote Count 1.15

Bacde: 1 (Twitch da Woof)
don_johnson: 1 (Revenus)
mozamis: 1 (don_johnson)
Revenus: 4 (Slandaar, Ztife, mozamis, Keybladewielder)
russianov: 1 (Limo)
Twitch da Woof: 3 (Bacde, Remembrance, don_johnson)
Ztife: 2 (Deltabacon, Mac)

Not Voting: russianov

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch and 7 votes to go to night.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-03-14 13:30:00)

I am going to let this sink in for everyone

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again, lack of context.

Context:

DJ: VOTE TWITCH
Next Day
DJ: TWITCH WAS OBVTOWN!!!!!

If he was so obvtown there is no way you vote him; you do not compromise on people you think are obvtown (as town)

I don't think the context helped your cause.

from what i can see, bacde and remembrance were trying to lynch a townie. dj was willing to compromise. it also lends to the fact that you voted rev and twitch all day yesterday. noone else. both of your suspects have flipped town.

OK I voted only town yesterday. So, what? you voted a lot of town yesterday; twitch, rev, moz probably more; bacde very very likely.

Were they trying to lynch town, or lynch someone they think is scum; do you really only see people trying to lynch townies when the person flips town? no, I don't think this is a town mentality.

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wait what the hell was that declan post?

UNVOTE: DJ

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No its not.

You should vote me and make a case.

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No

He really didn't.

And considering you think he is an SK there would never be a reason for me to defend him.

Who do you think is right Declan?

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bacde? really? what i get from this is that you agree that you voted two conftown and noone else. so if you are town, maybe your scumdar ain't what you think it is.

Yes I agree because it is fact I am hardly going to disagree am I?

My scumdar is very good. Unfortunately I have one inherent weakness; VI's.

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Declan I have told you; you are wrong.

I clearly wouldn't lie so one of us is wrong.

Who do you think it is?

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because he's sland?

lol

@Mac: Please can you enlighten the class why it is not a slip considering you must think it is not.

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OK let me clear stuff up

Context:

Accusation vs Don is that there is no way scum would kill twitch and any town would know this.

DJ:

why would a vig target twitch? an "obvious soft vanilla claim"? an obvious townie? you make little sense. there is no vig. are you an sk? setting up your fakeclaim?

p-edit: what is ad hom?

Why would a vig target twitch an obvious townie (his pov) therefore no vig would do this hence he accuses Rem of being an SK.

Now; the fact is this doesn't make him an SK clearly. It is definitely not an SK slip.

But; does it make him scum? this is the more interesting question; he obviously picked up from Rem he was a vig and basically announced it in thread which is very bad.

But then we have declan not actually reading things properly accusing Don of SK and very opportunistically voting him while accusing me of being scum for some nonsense reason I have no idea because I think Don is scum?

Then Mac is trying to explain that it isn't an SK slip in some nonsense way.

NEVER MIND I FIGURED IT OUT

Mac and DJ are scum Declan is town

VOTE: DJ

STAND FIRM ON THIS TOWN.

DJ is scum because he should as town never ever be saying he thinks Rem is the vig/sk and his argument that a vig wouldn't kill Twitch is bad when there was clearly a lot of suspicion on twitch yesterday.

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he didn't; but to accuse rem of sk who killed twitch because no town would kill twitch is clearly just nonsense. Clearly. Just like where he was suggesting it wasn't clear who the scum kill was.

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you suggesting i'm scum is nonsense too.

Why is that Mac?

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I vote Rev
Mac votes Rev

I vote DJ
Mac votes DJ

I unvote DJ
Mac unvotes DJ

I suggest I will vote Declan
Mac votes Declan

I vote DJ
Mac votes DJ

Am I missing something?

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I mixed you up with key; Well whatever the point still stands.

Why should I be reading you any differently?

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You talk to me like you know I am town just as you did with Rem yet you accused me of manipulating evidence not two seconds ago

I need not think anymore on the matter.

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It appears I was right Don didn't slip SK eh Declan ?

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Honestly I am fairly sure that makes Declan town so the new trust triangle can be Me/Rem/Declan

(I can't see why he would accuse him of sk if they were buddies it makes literally no sense)

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We won't be lynching limo today fyi.

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What do you mean you are unsure where my read on you went?

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Well considering KBW is scum we should probably lynch him today.

VOTE: Revenus

Hmmm... his posts the entire game have been somehow... off.
Either He's a total noob, or he's scum. Take your pick.
He's scum, I think.

Rev(town)
Noob or Scum I say scum!

VOTE: Superdeclan

Bad logic. Bad logic.

Declan (Very likely town) Bad logic! Scum! (the point is declan is clearly a 'noob')

How is Don not scum Keyblade?

IMO he seems more like Just a bad townie

Don(scum) Bad town imo!

The reason hes scum is because everyone is always bad/noob etc but he is always wrong. With rev he left the out 'noob or scum' with DJ it was a terribly weak defence which makes no sense at all. With Declan again; why wasn't he 'bad town'? it was a terribly opportunistic vote at a time to counterwagon to DJ.

Vote Count 2.2

don_johnson: 2 (Remembrance, Superdeclan)
Limo: 1 (Bacde)
Remembrance: 1 (Ztife)
Superdeclan: 2 (Limo, don_johnson)

Not Voting: Deltabacon, Keybladewielder, Mac, Slandaar

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch and 5 votes to go to night.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-03-30 02:30:00)

PM me if you see errors.

The VC when he voted Declan.

Note: I had just unvoted DJ and was looking at Declan.

KBW is scum

This is who we lynch today

VOTE: KBW

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I don't think I addressed them lol

Look; I feel both Delta and Limo are town based on how they act they have a townish confidence about them; there isn't anything I can point to to show they are town, there just isn't this is just me reading people.

I will try and explin this better; town often feel invincible, they feel they have more authority than as scum etc, especially as newer players.

Now advice for everyone; Just because someone voted DJ yesterday it doesn't mean they are town and similarly just because someone didn't vote DJ yesterday doesn't make them scum. It does not really matter how often someone is wrong as long as you think they genuinely believe their reads (if they don't they are scum so thats wht you should be looking at not the end result)

KBW is by far the best lynch today.

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The reason he had different wording on me is he wanted to lynch Rev then call me scum the next day when Rev flipped town; I eluded to this previously.

It was town v town however look at his reads after Rev flips town on day 2 he has me/twitch as scum, its the easiest position ever. Yet he never pursued me yesterday at all; why is this? he thought I scum day 1 once Rev flips town he must think I am scum day 2 but he never said a word about it instead opportunistically voting Declan (who I am fairly sure is town) to try nd save DJ who is his buddy.

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Look just trust me

KBW/Mac is most likely the scum

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KBW could be scum or could just be a VI.

So much could-be scum. I reckon KBW is just a VI though.

Mac doing exactly what KBW has been doing;

Here is the facts when someone is new they are either new town or new scum they are not 'noob town or scum' the difference is actually huge.

Mac you are trying to say KBW is a VI here, FINE, why isn't he a SI (scum idiot)?

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Like maybe my example isn't good enough; if someone is awful as town they are not going to be a god at playing scum they are just not are they? common sense.

So, to say you think someone is a VI not an SI there must be a differetial so what is it?

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So much could-be scum. I reckon KBW is just a VI though.

Does any one interpret this as;

I don't know if KBW is village or scum. I get the feeling from him he's a bit of an idiot though: i called him a VI but he could be a scum idiot too.

?

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What do you think of my KBW case Mac? have you looked at the vote timing on Declan?

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Did you? sorry I am blind can you show please

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By yesterday, i mean day two.

I don't see how that indicates you agree with my case

You agreed with it before I made it?

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Look you headless chickens just vote Rev he is actually scum unlike these terrible wagons on town Bacde and likely town Ztife

doesn't really explain why bacde is town here, seems like a bit of potential buddying to me. pretty sure his town read on ztife is effectively because he is voting 'scum Rev' which is weak as fuck, especially considering Rev was town and ztife has offered very little. a very strong read for a weak reason. bacde also said slandaar was more likely to be scum than Rev during the argument.

Yes, I don't explain my townreads have you not noticed this yet?

The Ztife thing was a joke, I do find him likely town but obviously I was joking about the vote on Rev. You can debate this if you want I don't really care.

Hes voting Rev who is scum

That is a good indicator too

hey, wait, this is why ztife is likely town. that and bacde has said the ztife wagon looks like lazy town and scum voting lazy town.

Above.

Mac is Revs buddy yes

I did explain this a while ago

Currently thinking twitch is #3

Rev - town
Mac - town
Twitch - town

you're either a terrible scumhunter or scum.

I did find DJ; not that it matters being wrong a couple times doesn't mean anything.

VOTE: Mac
Yes I am obviously town.

i haven't quoted many but it's interesting his first d2 post is that he's obviously town when he tunneled the FUCK out of rev on day one who ended up town.

This doesn't mean anything.

lol, finds another person to link me with. first it was rev, then don.

Yes. I think you are scum. But when I didn't die last night I decided not to vote you today.

KBW could be scum or could just be a VI.

So much could-be scum. I reckon KBW is just a VI though.

Mac doing exactly what KBW has been doing;

Here is the facts when someone is new they are either new town or new scum they are not 'noob town or scum' the difference is actually huge.

Mac you are trying to say KBW is a VI here, FINE, why isn't he a SI (scum idiot)?

today it's KBW. i don't know KBW's alignment but i'm fairly certain slan is scum. he probably bussed DJ because he could link up alot of people with dj that weren't scum. plus, you know, dj had pretty much sunk into his own grave.

Yes I think KBW is scum.
Its a theory but I could also just be town who figured him out?

It coincides with why I lived today as well, I figured either Slandaar or I would die today, but instead Bacde did. What did Bacde do that we didn't do? Suspect Limo.

he probably didn't have slandaar down as confirmed town. like you do. like declan does. this little triangle thing is perfect for him. think about it. why would you not die when you are pretty much confirmed as vig? why would declan not die despite voting the shit out of dj (albeit for the wrong reason but he probably would never go to town on his buddy like that) ? why would slandaar not die despite being "confirmedtown" in everyone's eyes?

slandaar is not dead because he is scum. you are not dead because you think he's town. likewise, declan.

Bacde thought I was town too so this also means nothing.

as for slan's case on KBW, well he's picking and choosing points to choose his argument.

"not reading everything closely"
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bacde

note how this post doesn't crop up. he votes bacde for a legit reason here, sure bacde was town, but KBW is being as lazy as "likely-town Ztife" if not more, yet he gets voted.

Yes that post didn't crop up, why would it? you said yourself its a legit reason just because someone is scum doesn't mean every single post is incriminating; take for example your case here you have not used every post of mine have you?

Well considering KBW is scum we should probably lynch him today.

VOTE: Revenus

Hmmm... his posts the entire game have been somehow... off.
Either He's a total noob, or he's scum. Take your pick.
He's scum, I think.

Rev(town)
Noob or Scum I say scum!

isn't this incredibly rich from you? KBW considered the fact that rev

could've

been town where as you set your sights on him being scum and went from there.

No, the point is thus; He can either be noob town or noob scum not 'noob or scum'

Also; the fact he says noob or scum gives him the out, he can say the next day 'oh he was a noob i was wrong' where I am left looking stupid right? yes. That is the difference.

VOTE: Superdeclan

Bad logic. Bad logic.

Declan (Very likely town) Bad logic! Scum! (the point is declan is clearly a 'noob')

declan did use terrible logic though. you admitted that yourself and you were tempted to vote him until you bussed don.

I thought he was scum SK hunting because it clearly wasn't a SK slip and so I took a step back and thought about things before revoting DJ because I figured out he was scum and Declan just misread the post (basically Don had to be scum so this was the only scenario)

How is Don not scum Keyblade?

IMO he seems more like Just a bad townie

Don(scum) Bad town imo!

i don't know how kbw got this read, i'd like to know too, but people get things wrong. you called rev scum. you called twitch scum. you called me scum. you've been wrong this entire game.

Well Except on DJ maybe I have, but that doesn't matter. The thing with this is, why is he bad town? it doesn't make sense.

The reason hes scum is because everyone is always bad/noob etc but he is always wrong.

With rev he left the out 'noob or scum'

with DJ it was a terribly weak defence which makes no sense at all. With Declan again; why wasn't he 'bad town'? it was a terribly opportunistic vote at a time to counterwagon to DJ.

i don't understand the bold. your only legit points in this post here are the last two sentences. other than that, kbw is as lazy as ztife, who is "likely town" in your eyes. funnily enough, you've been wrong a helluva lot on this game too - should we lynch you for that?

Eh the bad/noob thing is damning because when hes calling everyone bad/noob then never right it reads as a completely fake way to defend his 'reads'. For example; if DJ was bad town why wasn't Declan? Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

I explained bolded earlier; he left himself an out.

Vote Count 2.2

don_johnson: 2 (Remembrance, Superdeclan)
Limo: 1 (Bacde)
Remembrance: 1 (Ztife)
Superdeclan: 2 (Limo, don_johnson)

Not Voting: Deltabacon, Keybladewielder, Mac, Slandaar

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch and 5 votes to go to night.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-03-30 02:30:00)

PM me if you see errors.

The VC when he voted Declan.

Note: I had just unvoted DJ and was looking at Declan.

lol. so you were looking at declan too yet you jump on kbw for it? were you looking at the counterwagon for dj but decided against it? this entire case is horseshit.

KBW voted rev for being scum, who else did that? OH WAIT IT WAS SLANDAAR! kbw voted declan for bad logic, who else considered doing that? OH WAIT IT WAS SLANDAAR!

No you have that wrong, I voted then KBW; if it were him voting first you would have a point. But I was the one leading so I cannot know if he genuinely thought what he said or hes scum following me therefore I cannot consider him to be thinking similarly to me (this is a horrible pitfall for a lot of town). What you need to understand is this; KBW was VERY quiet yesterday then as soon as I unvoted DJ and was talking to Declan he voted Declan. Coincidence much?

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the ztife wagon is stupid. he's a replacement, no? lots of replacements half ass a game when they first get in.

Don might have been playing clever but I doubt it. This likely makes Ztife town unless DJ was defending his buddy while putting in a tell to disassociate himself which would be very very good but then you need to rely on someone picking it up so ehhhhhhhh probably just Ztife town from this alone.

Just FYI Mac.

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What?

DJ is saying he thinks Ztife is a replacement; if they were buddies he would never get this wrong unless he was laying this tell purposefully which as I said; only works if someone picks up on it so probably isn't worth the risk if they were buddies hence that one line makes Ztife very likely town.

Lets theory craft; perhaps if you and I are both town the reason I didn't get nked is because scum anticipated me running you down? the exact reason I didn't vote you today in case this was what was happening?

Think about it.

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Yes; I interpretted Bacdes claim of the trust triangle will win the game for town as that she read us both town at the end of the day. I think that is very clearly implied.

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I didn't say I think you are town Mac just that a situation with very good explanation why I didn' t die exists. There are others; like scumMac was worried if they nk me then Mac is autolynched next day etc.

But, I do think you are town now, yes.

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I like it; I nearly made my first post of this day to say 'we are massclaiming' but I decided against however there is one claim in particular I want to see so lets do it.

KBW
Limo
Delta
Ztife
Mac
Declan
Me

In that order we claim.

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This game is going to stall while KBW is AWOL

But yes; lynch next person who refuses to claim.

I will try and answer your questions later Mac.

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Ztifes claim is whos I wanted to see

heh

Second time hes done that.

Ztife is scum I guess.

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Can you explain this too please Slandaar when you get a minute?

There are 36 posts between the quotes where you towntold huge?

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No there isn't.

Well there is unless my math is bad including;

You were still pushing a KBW/Mac team by #949 where I pointed out your case was not the first on him.

I make my case for you in #952, you respond in #953 we interact for a while and in #966 you say I'm town.

Sorry I couldn't resist lol.

So, basically, to summarise: I make a case against you, I'm town.

Well something like that.

This is after you pushing me with being every man and his dog being scum for 2 days.

No; I did on Rev not as much you the difference in intensity is quite huge.

Your point of me being town is that you think the maf NK are trying to push us together

No that is nothing to do with why I think you are town; and I never said it was.

yet you don't make ANY realisation of this at the start of d3.

I did I just didn't post it; I did vote KBW afterall.

Only when I present a case as to why you are scum.

I mentioned it then to show why your argument is bad (wrong) there are a lot of possible reasons Bacde got nked over me/Rem. I didn't mention it earlier because what is the point? as said there are many possible reasons and I don't feel like guessing which one. (and it is guessing)

Think about it like this; the scenario we are both town exists; I have 2 scumreads; to avoid the scenario we are both town and scum want me to lynch you I vote my other scumread. Afterall what does it matter which I vote first?

The point being it gives me more time to ensure I wasn't being used by scum while also voting someone I am sure is scum.

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Why not exactly?

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Do tell.

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I think scum is Ztife and KBW fwiw

We need to finish massclaim

Ztife is next up

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Sucks to be you Delta.

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who else did you investigate Mac?

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We don't need to vote untill massclaim has ended and talked about what it means

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Calm and Tranquility is required untill our friend Ztife claims

And then everyone else can including Limo.

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Of course I'm in a good mood we have found the second scumbag!

Lets all just relax for a bit take in this great moment while we wait for Ztife

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@Note to everyone, Don tried to legitimize this claim. By stating he might be a power role.

Pretty sure Slandaar was looking at the same thing.

Yep

I assumed he was a doc

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I think Ztife has to be scum because moz died n1; he diverted moz off him by softclaiming then n1 killed him

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Limo you should claim now.

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Also please stop with the voting

Do not let Delta self hammer

We need to finish massclaim.

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lol

Mac you do realise a lot of the scummyness I saw in you is because you are a GS right? take yesterday; you knew DJ wasnt an SK you didn't work it out like i did which is why i thought you made it up I didn't have the information you did.

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I didn't say any of that actually.

You should go reread.

I didn't link you to DJ I assumed you were scum because your explanation did not mean DJ could not be an SK. Get it?

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I will re-read Slandaar. I promise. I want others to help because I feel like I could have some bias to being set on you being scum (ironically, like you were to me) but the signs for you being scum there.

that also doesn't explain how you linked me to rev nor KBW.

In fact, you linked me to rev by saying "we were on every wagon" or something to that effect, which is complete shit.

Yes I linked you to Rev.

I didn't with KBW; again; I just thought you were scum; I didn't actually link you.

And your posting style has completely changed today; think about that; think about the fact that you were playing differently previously and how that could be perceived.

And yes; I think you want me to be scum more than anything but I am not.

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There isn't a rush to lynch Delta; massclaim must finish

Limo: You don't get to refuse to claim; If you think you are being clever you are not. You claim or I claim for you.

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Limo claims VT and that is pretty obvious; PR never refuse to claim because whats the point? by refusing to claim that is the idea you are trying to convey so PR just don't do it leaving only VT and scum in his range.

So lynch him if he tries to claim differently.

Declan you can claim

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Eh need to clarify that I guess; By refusing to claim you are either scum or trying to look like a PR because you think that helps town (but it doesn't if you are a PR so only VT think this way)

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OK I voted only town yesterday. So, what? you voted a lot of town yesterday; twitch, rev, moz probably more; bacde very very likely.

bacde? really? what i get from this is that you agree that you voted two conftown and noone else. so if you are town, maybe your scumdar ain't what you think it is.

You think this is scum/scum Mac?

The first part comes from him trying to suggest I am wrong on him because I had been wrong a couple times prior. He was trying to get me off him by suggesting my reads had been bad; you need to understand this argument could only be scum -> town.

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VT

You can do the honors Rem.

I expect final scum is KBW

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VOTE: KBW

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Sorry Rev I confirmation bias too hard sometimes; I see where I went wrong though.

I like the setup and it seems fine balance wise; BG/Gunsmith/1shot vig with gunsmith getting 'guilty' results on both the other PR is nice.

also; I knew limo wasn't a watcher lol; I did assume Ztife was doc fake claiming VT in the end but eh; declan BG is same thing.

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Well I felt the same when you flipped it took me a while to see where I went wrong.

It might be good for you if you figure out why you were wrong on me (and no I do the intro stuff as scum also occasionally)