Mafia 59: Hell on Earth - Game over!

[Battle Mage]

random.org said 6 for me.

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Livingod

[Battle Mage]

its because originally i was posting in the 'quick reply' box, but then realised that i couldnt use

BOLD

when i was doing so.
This being the case, i had to make a new post in order to place my actual vote.

Vote:BattleMage

Because I see people do this all the time, but I haven't yet figured out why they post the dice roll in one post and the vote in the next post.

[Battle Mage]

[Bold]Vote: Panzerjagger[/Bold]

[Battle Mage]

thats what happens when i try using HTML.

[Battle Mage]

well i suspected Panzerjagger from the start.
My vote stays on him.

[Battle Mage]

wow my first ever prod.
Im still here, but i havent got anything to contribute atm.

Prodding ~N9V~, Battle Mage, and Cheesefan.

Frustian hasn't picked up his first prod, so his position is vacant and I'll open it to replacement. This vacancy will be reflected in the upcoming vote count and in the OP.

[Battle Mage]

As i am part (in fact, the founder!) of the Panzer wagon, you would be well placed to assume that i think he is scum.
Ill have a look at Al4x and see if he is more scummy.

Bm, Cheesefan, N9v- I agree with fircoal about you. More content pronto.
For example, what do you think of the Panzer wagon?
What about Al4xvcxfgrfd? He's scum, isn't he?

I know we need a wagon to get the game moving but why Panzer over Al4xz?
Al4's reaction to votes is way scummier, surely? C'mon, vote Al4xz, all the cool people are doing it. And so is Yos.

Panzer- you say Akbar was 'so defensive it was almost funny'. Isn't that exactly what it was meant to be, funny? Akbar, was your reaction to not being fosed serious or not?

[Battle Mage]

well to choose a post at random, this seems like a good example of your so-called 'scumtell'.
Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.
From my experience, the only time i get overconfident is when im in a special role. It means u dont have to worry about keeping up appearances (scum) and yet its not as if you have a crap role that no-one cares about.
I'm thinking noob, but pro-town noob.
Might i ask why M4yhem is defending Panzer so much?
BM

*chuckle* Looks like I've been considered scum.

[Battle Mage]

hey dude.

[Battle Mage]

Vote count?

[Battle Mage]

PanzerJagger isnt dead yet.
Also, no-one with a penis that big would spend all their time on the computer.
2 Lies in one post?
SCUM.

I think Panzer just lynched himself...


p.s.

So I was thinking by myself, actually I got a very small thumb. I think I should go to New York and get it measured, maybe I can come in the Guinness book of records. So I get to the airport, and there I meet Yosarian and Nightfall. So I asked them, what are you two doing here? Yosarian said I'm going to New York to get my ear measured, coz I actually got very small ears and I might wanna try to get in the Guinness book of records. Nightfall: "I've got a very small penis and I'm also trying to get in the Guinness book of records." So we decided to travel there together.

When we arrived I entered the Guinness builiding first. I got out and said: WOOHOO! I really have the smallest thumb in the world, they've put me in the Guinness book now!
Now it was Yosarian's turn, after coming out he said: "YEAH! They've put me in the Guinness book of records for having the smallest ear in the world!"

Then it was Nightfall's turn. Me and Bosje we're waiting and waiting for Nightfall to come out, when he finally did he came out screaming:

WHO THE F*** IS Panzerjager?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Fortunatley I didn't go away upset. it turned out I was measuring with inches where I had thought they were centemetres, anyways long story short, I got into the book for actually having the largest penis in the world.

[Battle Mage]

my point that i was making was that we shouldnt lynch him. Id rather we saved a Vig from a lynch and he was able to kill a scum the next than we lynch him before we get any success.
Besides, i dont KNOW hes a special pro-town role, its just an inkling i have. Im sure the Mafia know better than to take me too seriously

Ugh. I believe Panzer is killing himself just to prove a point. I believe I'm playing the game like a madman 'cause I'm still quite new to the game. Either way, don't reveal that someone has a special townie role - It shows that either a: Your a newbie, b: You are scum trying to make someone else either kill a special role or scum killing a vanilla townie or c: You just want to for no apparant reason. I sound like scum alot, yes, maybe I'm scum. =D

[Battle Mage]

Actually i disagree. I have used that tactic in previous games where i was scum. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it fails, but it is definitely not a town-tell. 8)

Panzer I think is town, which is probably why he's voting himself to prove us wrong if he lynches, Al4 I just can't fathom out at all.

[Battle Mage]

lets hope this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

*Just because we are friends, doesnt mean i cant hunt you down when you are scum
BM

[Battle Mage]

why would we not be friends?
I know that i have a habit of working out when you are scum with ease, and you have a habit of OMGUSSing me whenever i do so, but at the end of the day, this is a GAME.
I can understand that you are keen to save your own ass, i just think you should cut the obscenities.

lets hope this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

*Just because we are friends, doesnt mean i cant hunt you down when you are scum
BM

We're far from friends but thats sweet.

[Battle Mage]

i gotta say that this post looks pretty suspicious.
First Jack says that everyone on Panzers wagon should pile Cheesefan instead.
Immediately, TheJiveMachine and then M4yhem take their respective votes off Al4xz, and pile on Cheesefan instead.
It certainly seemed to me like Mafiosi instructing each other. I doubt all 3 are scum, but i am very suspicious of the way M4yhem always seems to vote the same as TheJiveMachine. Perhaps they are a scum pair, or perhaps M4yhem is scum latching onto a townie. All i know is, M4yhem looks as guilty as hell, so i will

Unvote, Vote M4yhem

Also,

IGMEOY Jack

not only did u instruct your potential scumbuddies how to vote, you also changed from being adamantly for a Cheesefan lynch, to Unvoting. Looks to me alot like scum trying to build a wagon, then subtly leaving, so when it is revealed that the victim is innocent, he doesnt get immediately blamed.

FOS: Jack

Bah, okay. I think Al4xz is a crazy newbie. He might be scum as well but for now I am happy to join the Cheesefan wagon.

Cheesefan, please answer theopor's question. I'm interested in the answer too.

unvote, Vote:Cheesefan

[Battle Mage]

looks more like a town tell to me.
I stand by my vote for Panzer. can we have a

Vote Count?

Gah. Let's just kill him. The dudes getting annoying...Alright, alright, I sound like scum, god damnit, I could be scum for all you know. I still think Panzer's just scum either way.

[Battle Mage]

Al4xz is a noob right?
I mean, even more of a noob than me!?
No noob scum would make such an obvious inference that he was Mafia. I'm sorry but ive played alot of games with similar people, and he just doesnt look scummy. Panzer on the other hand, is wreaking of scum atm-especially with that unlikely claim of his. If he wanted to help the town he would claim. As he doesnt, he looks awfully like scum to me, plus his constant attacks on Al4xz are concerning.
Also, i think M4yhem is so obviously Mafia, it hurts. I reckon he just got sick of Panzers shoddy play, and decided to bus him. Look at his post here:

Panzer, I've had enough of your insanity.

unvote, Vote:Panzer Claim or die.

Im gonna

Unvote, Vote Panzerjagger

but

IGMEOY too M4yhem

looks more like a town tell to me.
I stand by my vote for Panzer. can we have a

Vote Count?

Gah. Let's just kill him. The dudes getting annoying...Alright, alright, I sound like scum, god damnit, I could be scum for all you know. I still think Panzer's just scum either way.

Are you saying that the al4xz quote looks like a town tell? What about it looks like a town tell?

[Battle Mage]

i HONESTLY think he is protown. Lynch him if you want, but i certainly wont be helping. When he comes as an important role, we all suffer, and you will be next for the lynch.

It looks to me like al4xz and battle mage are scumbuddies. They are both driving forces behind the panzer wagon and we have quotes like this:

Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.

Vote:al4xz

He fits the newbie scum profile pretty well, with the "let's just lynch somebody" stuff. And battle mage keeps wildly proclaiming his innocence.

[Battle Mage]

btw-i am aware that if he comes up scum, it will make me look like shit.
However, i am willing to take that risk in order to save a potential cop/doctor/hooker.

[Battle Mage]

err MOD: You have missed my vote on PanzerJagger, and put Panzers vote in twice!

@Livingod, its ok i can speak for myself. Sucking up to the town is not necessary. Anyway, im not SURE, its just a gut feeling. However, i know better than to ignore my gut feelings, as they often prove to be accurate.

Vote count

8 - Panzerjager (Twito, Fircoal, Akbar, al4xz, Bogre, Cheesefan, M4yhem, Panzerjager)
6 - al4xz (Yosarian2, Nightfall, ~N9V~, Panzerjager, Jack, livingod)
1 - Twito (Milkman)
1 - Cheesefan (TheJiveMachine)

not voting: spectrumvoid, Smashy, theopor_COD

With 19 alive and 19 present, it takes 10 votes to cast someone into the steel!
Deadline March 7

Prods a bit later.

[Battle Mage]

yeh, its time to claim Al4xz.

[Battle Mage]

just tell us what ur role is.

I still don't understand claim. I'm a newbie, remember?

[Battle Mage]

actually, if ud bothered reading the thread, i thought u were a special protown role.
Guess i was wrong.

Unvote

I'm a Vanilla. What do you think I am? If I'm a scum, I'm not gonna start yelling I'm scum.

[Battle Mage]

Well Al4xz has well and truly proved me wrong. I thought he was a town power role, but now he is just looking like scum.

Vote: Al4xz

FIRST EVER HAMMER!

[Battle Mage]

same.

Vote: Panzer

Vote Panzer

My vote began on Panzer. If it wasn’t for al4xz’s screwing around, I would have kept it on him. For what it’s worth, at lynch time, Twito was voting Panzer as well.

[Battle Mage]

The First Rule of Mafia

Never miss an opportunity to lynch Panzerjagger.

[
...I don't like the "twito was voting for Panzer" logic some people are referencing, as that's a complete WIFOM issue. That being said, I like a Panzer wagon better then the m4yhem wagon; I don't really see the reasoning behind that one at all at the moment, and while I don't think I have a solid read on m4hyem, so far his posting style looks like what I've seen before when he was town.

What m4hyem wagon? theoper and I posted at the same time. He has bad logic and I don't like the panzer wagon much. Seems a bit oppurtunistic.

[Battle Mage]

lol ive never hammered anyone. the first time i try, i fail.
How sad is that?

And by hammer I mean lynch+1. You still get the gist of it >.>

[Battle Mage]

i believe they refer to that as soft-claiming. Sadly i rarely find it believable.

Oh, and Fircoal, that's the most wishy-washy, fence-sitting post I've ever seen, not to mention a possible protection of Panzer. you get a

Fos:Fircoal

for that.

I see that. I kind of am protecting Panzer, for reasons I shouldn't tell. I'm not certain about him, though.

[Battle Mage]

quoting this post because it made no sense, not only through bad grammar, but through such hypocrisy that makes it meaningless. Nice use of a hidden insult though. If nothing else, i commend you on getting your priorities right in this game. [/sarcasm].

Because you are a bad player that only believes something when it is pointed out signs. And I believe it as a soft claim..which is kinda bad.

[Battle Mage]

i gotta say im surprised at people unvoting from Panzer. His last fews posts have been as scummy as hell. My vote stands. There is nothing more to be gained from dragging the day out.

[Battle Mage]

well he isnt going to tell us any more, so if u intend to vote for him, might as well do it now. Im also wary of the fact that he says he refuses to claim, but i seem to recall him claiming vanilla townie at some point.
I have to go now, but if anyone has more time, please check for me.
BM

i gotta say im surprised at people unvoting from Panzer. His last fews posts have been as scummy as hell. My vote stands. There is nothing more to be gained from dragging the day out.

Only reason I unvoted Panzer is because I didn't want day 2 to end so quickly. He's still my best suspect for a lynch, and I could move my vote back there at some point.

[Battle Mage]

It was al4xz that claimed vanilla townie.

I don't like panzers lack of defense but townies can give up as well as scum I suppose. Bleh.

If Panzer didnt claim, what is this?

I'm not claiming. So boohoo. I'm town. No big deal.

i spose he might have meant, im PROtown, but it sounds to me like he is claiming vanilla townie...

[Battle Mage]

does anyone else get the distinct impression that the 2 scum groups appear to be working together here?
I mean WTF isnt one of them dead yet!?
I think Bogre could be scum, but frankly his death wont achieve much, as we probably wont gain any insight into his buddies...
id rather go for someone else. Any ideas?
BM

[Battle Mage]

the reason i dont want to kill him is, its far too easy. It almost seems like a trap set by the scum. I think a likely scum is Milkman. Yesterday he was the only voted who chose not to join the Panzer wagon, and in doing so, successfully distanced himself from those incriminated players.
He commented that the Panzer wagon was "really cool" and he seemed very disappointed about not joining it. I think that both Bogre and Milkman are probable scum, but in a game where there are more scum than town, its hardly surprising that we have spotted them. Im quite happy to go along with a wagon on either of these 2, however i would like to hear everyones views on Bogre before the day ends if he is the choice. It may help us hunt down some scum tomorrow.
BM

Vote:Fircoal

Lots of little posts lacking in content from him but nothing substatial. Seems happy just to let the bandwagons roll by without doing anything to help or stop them. I still don't like his remark about Panzer yesterday. I want an explanation, darn it, not excuses!

Fos:BM

You think Bogre might be scum, but you don't want to kill him? That's just plain daft. Also, go get your own ideas. Look through the thread. It's not hard. You don't need permission to vote, you hippy slacker.

[Battle Mage]

you're right. I should be more committal. You played poorly yesterday, placing a hammer with little-no reason. Whether or not your death will help us tomorrow, for such poor play, you deserve to die.

Vote: Bogre

Well guys, I had suspicions about panzer from day 1. I come back from spring break, and see he's one away from lynch. After a reread, I see nothing to change my opinions about Panzer, so I hammered him.

You can call this WIFOM, but I wouldn't have hammered Panzer yesterday if I was scum in such a blunt manner. Bluntness draws attention, and of course scum don't want that.

Anyways, I'm going to go with a

Vote: BM

Seems to me that he's trying to lynch an enemy scum (even though I'm not one, obviously he believes I am though) without having too huge a hand in it.

[Battle Mage]

thats not what i said. I said that he played badly, AND scummy. Hes so obviously scum that i originally thought it was TOO easy. His posts since attacking me have convinced me of his scumminess.
BM

Yos- What kind of hat is it? Is your pushing of livinggod an attempt to distract us from Bogre? What d'you think of Fircoal? Are you scum, Yos? Are you?

Fircoal- I want an explanation, not excuses. Also, way to post without adding any real content, dude.

I've seen Bogre play before. He wagoned then. He was town. I hate his style, but I don't think he's actually scum. I think it's a bit silly to pick on Bogre for hammering when lots of other people also voted for Panzer. Not to mention many other people said he was scummy. We all wanted him dead, really.

I think this is just an easy wagon. The town in general seems pretty lazy, probably because most of you are scum who don't want to stick out.

Please take a look at Fircoal and consider him as an alternative. TYIA.

Fos:BM

(Yes, again). BM, it's day three. There are almost as many scum as there are town. We can't kill people just for playing badly anymore.
Also, is that an omgus vote? Because it really looks like one.

[Battle Mage]

hmm, good question. Town do occassionally attack me, but i generally find more often than not, those who attack me avidly are scum, desperate for an easy lynch. I suppose any protown player can say that, but in my experience it is especially true.
BM

Wow. So much has happened since I was here last.

not.

Yos, get your facts straight, my boy. I'm not pushing the Bogre wagon at all. In fact, I just defended him and my vote is on Fircoal. The Fircoal wagon is the only wagon that's currently m4yhem-approved; groupies take note.

You're showing a bit of Fircoal-blindness actually. Not only did you not note my vote, you actually failed to answer a direct question about him.

So let's try again. This time the questions are numbered so you don't miss any:
1. Yosarian2, are you scum?

2. What's your normal strategy when you play as scum, yos?

3. What do you think of Fircoal, Yos?

BM- How does attacking you make you convinced someone is scum? Don't town ever attack you?

[Battle Mage]

brilliant work. You choose 3 people seemingly at random, and infer that perhaps one of them is scum. Great!
I dont see your logic that Mafia would be trying to lynch Mafia now. Ideally, Mafia would never lynch their buddies. Its only when they are under pressure that they may do so, but i dont see why NOW is any more pressuring than yesterday or tomorrow.
Unless u meant the fact that the scum groups would be trying to lynch each other, in which case i must say that this ought to always be their intention.
Im quite wary of the fact that there is a large wagon on livingod, matching that on Bogre. Considering his comments at the start of the day, and his hammer yesterday, i would have thought there would have been a popular campaign to lynch him. The fact that we only have about 50% of players inclined to think he is scum, makes me think that possibly some of those on the Livingod wagon are scum. Its not concrete, but its a strong feeling.
On the other hand, please be clear that im not voting him because of his hammer. Its my opinion that those who hammer are no more scummy than those who have voted earlier in the wagon. Those on the wagon who complain about the hammer are hypocrites. MY reason for voting is because Bogre made his vote look so scummy. He didnt even bother to give a decent reason. He appeared like scum who decided it was worth the risk of getting lynched in order to finish someone off.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes, it did make sense, and i agree.
Also, big thanks to Milkman, who has just reminded me of something i noticed yesterday. I may have commented on it earlier, or maybe not, but it was certainly something that struck me as very scummy.
Ill hook it out, but in the meantime,

Unvote

BM

brilliant work. You choose 3 people seemingly at random, and infer that perhaps one of them is scum. Great!

I didn't choose three people at random, I chose the three people that have been accused today. Literally, of the people that have votes, I voted for one and said I wanted to hear more from the other three because I understand the arguments behind the votes for them. As for inferring that at least one of them is scum... There are more scum than town. The chance of any three people all being town is low.

I dont see your logic that Mafia would be trying to lynch Mafia now. Ideally, Mafia would never lynch their buddies. Its only when they are under pressure that they may do so, but i dont see why NOW is any more pressuring than yesterday or tomorrow.
Unless u meant the fact that the scum groups would be trying to lynch each other, in which case i must say that this ought to always be their intention.

Of course I meant that mafia groups would be trying to lynch each other, not their own partners. And, yes, it should have been their intention from the start, I was noting that it was more important at this point.

Im quite wary of the fact that there is a large wagon on livingod, matching that on Bogre. Considering his comments at the start of the day, and his hammer yesterday, i would have thought there would have been a popular campaign to lynch him. The fact that we only have about 50% of players inclined to think he is scum, makes me think that possibly some of those on the Livingod wagon are scum. Its not concrete, but its a strong feeling

Which bring me to, I would be incredibly surprised if there isn't some scum on the livingod wagon. That was the whole point of the beginning of my post voting him. I think that there is also quite a bit of scum on Bogre's wagon. My gut feel, at this point, is they're both scum from opposite groups and the opposing team is trying to lynch them. Er. Did that make sense?

[Battle Mage]

i noticed this a few days back, and i remember by complete indignation. However, i cant seem to find the post that i had made on it. At this point Panzerjagger was -1 from lynch. Notice how reluctant he seems to join the wagon, despite openly promoting it. It seemed alot like scum who wanted to hammer, but was worried about looking scummy by doing so. Instead he joined a completely different wagon, but still promoted that wagon strongly.

Vote: Milkman

After rereading, I really don't think Panzer is scum, he seems really honest in his defense. So no hammer.

Akbar: I had that in mind, but later dismissed it when I addressed the setup.
Yos: My reason is that I feel he's either a messed up cop or scum. He can't be a messed up cop, so I think he's scum.

As for why, it's because of his notoriety. The not claiming and pushing for my lynch.

So your only reasoning for the Panzer-wagon happened during the bandwagon? It doesn't even seem that scummy. You didn't make any accusations, so he had to attack back. And the whole cop or scum thing is just one big fallacy.

Ah hell,

vote: livingod

.


PS: Panzer-wagon sounds really cool.

[Battle Mage]

in response to my actions yesterday, a quick reread would have explained it.
I thought that Alexz was hinting at a power-role through most of the day. When he claimed Vanilla Townie, i realised that my defence of him (mostly founded on his suspected power role) was incorrect.
anyway, ive never had a successful hammer on this site. I failed yesterday which was quite embarrassing, but i'm willing to have another go today. I dont think Livingod is the scummiest player here by a long shot, but he is going to be lynched soon anyway. Might aswell speed up the job.

Unvote, Vote Livingod

If i am NKed tonight, please keep an eye on Milkman.

Right now I’m still thinking LG is pretty scummy for what I posted at 547. Bogre is as well. Bogre could believe that scum is far enough ahead of us that a silent hammering on Panzer was ok even if it resulted in his own lynching. My FOS’s in order of scumminess are as follows:

well to choose a post at random, this seems like a good example of your so-called 'scumtell'.
Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.
From my experience, the only time i get overconfident is when im in a special role. It means u dont have to worry about keeping up appearances (scum) and yet its not as if you have a crap role that no-one cares about.
I'm thinking noob, but pro-town noob.
Might i ask why M4yhem is defending Panzer so much?
BM

*chuckle* Looks like I've been considered scum.

looks more like a town tell to me.
I stand by my vote for Panzer. can we have a

Vote Count?

Al4xz is a noob right?
I mean, even more of a noob than me!?
No noob scum would make such an obvious inference that he was Mafia. I'm sorry but ive played alot of games with similar people, and he just doesnt look scummy. Panzer on the other hand, is wreaking of scum atm-especially with that unlikely claim of his. If he wanted to help the town he would claim. As he doesnt, he looks awfully like scum to me, plus his constant attacks on Al4xz are concerning.
Also, i think M4yhem is so obviously Mafia, it hurts. I reckon he just got sick of Panzers shoddy play, and decided to bus him. Look at his post here:

Panzer, I've had enough of your insanity.

unvote, Vote:Panzer Claim or die.

Im gonna

Unvote, Vote Panzerjagger

but

IGMEOY too M4yhem

looks more like a town tell to me.
I stand by my vote for Panzer. can we have a

Vote Count?

Gah. Let's just kill him. The dudes getting annoying...Alright, alright, I sound like scum, god damnit, I could be scum for all you know. I still think Panzer's just scum either way.

Are you saying that the al4xz quote looks like a town tell? What about it looks like a town tell?

i HONESTLY think he is protown. Lynch him if you want, but i certainly wont be helping. When he comes as an important role, we all suffer, and you will be next for the lynch.

btw-i am aware that if he comes up scum, it will make me look like shit.
However, i am willing to take that risk in order to save a potential cop/doctor/hooker.

FOS Battle Mage

for fearlessly defending al4xz on Day 1. This struck me as inside information, especially since no one else seemed to agree with BM about al4xz. Of course, this is when the vote was Panzer: 7, al4xz: 4.

At this time, the Al4xz wagon was going nowhere and BM placed the 8th vote on Panzer.
Then the Al4xz wagon picked up steam and the Panzer wagon starting falling apart. The vote count shifted to Al4xz: 9, Panzer: 6.

Well Al4xz has well and truly proved me wrong. I thought he was a town power role, but now he is just looking like scum.

Vote: Al4xz

FIRST EVER HAMMER!

Then a funny thing happened. The guy who was completely convinced Al4xz was a townie and possibly a power role suddenly had a change of heart. Perhaps from skimming the thread, BM missed the fact I had already hammered al4xz. BM then removes his vote off Panzer, who was supposedly scum and attempts to hammer the guy he said he would not help lynch under any circumstances.


Sorry about the giant post. To sum up:
I’m comfortable with my vote on LG.

FOS- Bogre, Battle Mage, M4yhem & Yosarian2

I don’t really trust anyone completely, but if I had to I would trust:
TheJiveMachine- For not being on Al4xz or Panzer’s wagon.
Fircoal- For the possible role.

[Battle Mage]

id just like to say on behalf of myself when i first saw what had happened:

OH SH************T!!!!!!
To be honest, what i did was pretty stupid with hindsight. I honestly wouldnt blame the town for lynching me today, as my actions yesterday were pretty costly. Nonetheless, the fact remains that i am not scum. Lynching me today would be a waste.
However, i WILL say, in my defence, that Livingod had ample opportunity to claim, and yet did not do so. I can assure you that if he had claimed, i would not have hammered, as to be honest i wasnt really sure whether he was scum.
Anyway im sorry. But life goes on. I recall my realy suspicions yesterday:
Bogre and Milkman. It doesnt seem like a coincidence that both seem keen to push a hasty BM lynch today, knowing that i will be a popular target.
I will

Vote: Bogre

but if the town chooses to lynch me instead, when i come up town, look VERY closely at Milkmans comments aswell. He has tried to lie low, but his few appearances have not been complimentary.

We only have 1? town power piece left. The scum still have all their members intact. Dont waste a valuable lynch on me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok. Just an FYI-if i die tonight, i advise the town to keep a close eye on N9V. I have my reasons but i wont address them here.
BM

[Battle Mage]

i dont get what you mean about them being on opposite scum teams. we had a good night anyway, and i will try and get a reread done today so i can explain my suspicions in detail.
however, what i would like to note is the fact that despite being a minority, us townies have an advantage from 1 perspective. You see, there are 3 aliens and 4 borg left (i think). that means 1 protown power role and 3 townies. With both the mafia groups significantly in the ascendancy, our lynching can do little atm unless the groups start attacking each other. Of course, it is now in their best interest to attack each other because if 1 group continues to target townies, while the other hits the first groups members, the first group will inevitably gain a strong advantage. in other words, we must now expect both scum groups to be attacking each other, rather than the protown-especially with the loss of 1 of the Alien members...
I hope that wasnt too confusing. also, im sorry about the cock up yesterday with Bogre.
ill reread later and then get back with somethign concrete.
BM

Fact is Bogre's own play let himself down, the hammer of Panzer, the general lack of content. I'd have voted him without any suspicion from Fircoal, because I honestly thought with the ratio of town to scum, he'd be a bad guy. It's pretty gutting to think we've lynched four townies so far all through their own shoddy play.

Livingod's play let himself down aswell, for heavens sake if he's blocked a kill which looks likely, being as we keep having one night kills, he should have given us one scum, as it is he didn't even claim when he was on the hill.

Yos I see where you coming from with M4yhem, his hammer was indicative of not caring one iota about Bogre's allegiance, be it that Bogre turned up scum which I hasten to think he would or town.

I'd also like to hear from BM aswell for he seems to think both ~n9v~ and Milkman are scum, as far as I can tell the only way he'd know what they are is if they're opposite scum teams. He comments above in 663 he has his reasons for finding ~n9v~ suspicious, well I'd like to hear them please BM.

[Battle Mage]

oh btw-can someone please explain why, with 2 scumgroups and no town power pieces who can stop them, why we only had 1 kill?
i mean, assuming the Borg targetted Jack, (and obviously with the knowledge that the Aliens arent going to kill their own teammate) who did the Aliens target?
It doesnt make sense in my mind...

[Battle Mage]

that doesnt work. the section you quoted stated that Aliens had a 1 time invincibility to Borgs, but in this case it should be the other way around.

BM: I'd assume it's most likely because of this ability

From the mod's discription of all the roles in the game:

There are 4

ALIEN MAFIA

:
W, X, Y, and Z are ALIEN MAFIA. Each night one of you may attempt to kill another player. Tell me which one of you does it. Special ability: The first time one of you would be killed by BORG MAFIA, nothing happens. You do not learn whether this ability has been used.

The aliens most likely tried to kill a borg and thus failed. Or else they failed to send in a kill.

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP: I see that both Mafia groups share this ability-you just quoted the wrong one.

[Battle Mage]

that isnt a true representation, as there were more than 2 people on that wagon yesterday.
It is also not an excuse for your reluctance to contribute...

@Yos
Sure there was significance. M4yhem and BM managed to lynch another townie. Does that remove my suspicion of them? No.

[Battle Mage]

lol stfu. i will modkill the guy who came up with that if he says it again.

ill look up my thoughts from yesterday immediately.

Battle Axe

You got any more theories on ~n9v and Milkman, I'd like to hear them.

[Battle Mage]

well my suspicion of N9V is pretty clear-cut.
Yesterday, he began by voting for me, at a time when me and Bogre both had fairly significant wagons. He made it quite clear that he couldnt care less which one of us got lynched, but he decided i was slightly scummier, based on the crappy reason that i made a bad hammer.
Then, when Bogre looked the more likely to get lynched, he switched over in order to join the crowd.
Obviously with the knowledge that Bogre was town, and knowing (as i do) that i am also town, it makes N9V (who wanted us both dead) look very bad. I mean, i can understand someone protown making a mistake with their vote yesterday, but N9V made a mistake with BOTH his choices. He is certainly a competent Mafia player, and i cant see him doing that as a protown player...
ill make the case on milkman later, and decide who i think should be the play for today.

[Battle Mage]

nice post Jalyn. only big problem is that it all hinges on me being Alien, which isnt true. to this end i also doubt whether M4yhem is scum, as your logic is terrible.

FOS: Jalyn

for presenting fallacy as fact.

@N9V-no, YOU just struck me as suspicious, as YOU were one person who clearly expressed their willingness to lynch 2 protown players.

Do you mean other than his day 4 post on March 31st where he voted Battle Mage? That either an unfortunate miss or an interesting lie.

I'm very interested in the where the votes went yesterday. I would have thought that the Borg, knowing that they knew an Alien on day 4, would have at least tried to lynch that person, freeing up their night kill. (In fact, that's why I wasn't sure what to think about the Borge wagon at the time, I thought that the crap logic used to build it might be masking scum who knew Borge was scum. They mostly went into my mental file of people to watch. Then Borge turned out to be town and last night Jack was killed and turned out to be alien. I would think that that means that Jack was their missed kill, but he had no votes at all yesterday. All in all, I don't think I understand what the Borg are doing. Either they never tried to lynch the guy that they knew was alien scum or they didn't try to kill the guy that they knew was alien scum (which would probably make Battle Mage the known alien scum, as he was the only one to get votes other the Borge yesterday.) I can even see why they wouldn't have bothered killing him during the night game, as his was the second biggest wagon, he seems lynchable - why waste the kill?
Today, after the Aliens miss a kill, there's a bandwagon on M4yhem. This is also interesting, and as that, to me, makes him more likely Borg than Alien and the Borg are currently up in numbers, makes him a reasonable play to me, not that I'm putting my vote there yet - these last few days show this town to be WAY too hammer happy.

So, to condense what I said in a long drawn out way above. I'm wondering if M4yhem was the attempted kill by the Aliens last night and confirmed Borg to 3 people, Battle Mage was the attempted kill by the Borg two nights ago and confirmed Alien to them and we now have two rival scum teams trying to lynch the guy that they know to be scum.

[Battle Mage]

EXCEPT: I'M NOT AN ALIEN. Kinda puts a spanner in the works doesnt it.

i do sorta see where you're coming from, but i dont think its likely, considering it is also based on the assumption that the mafia groups were that desperate to kill someone in particular that they targetted the same person twice. Much more likely, up until this point, is that THE SCUM GROUPS WERENT AIMING FOR EACH OTHER. Obviously the town began the game in the ascendancy, and both scum groups aimed to change this. now the situation is somewhat different, but it wasnt always this way.

I haven't stated anything as fact. I have made a lot of inferences based on three facts that are blatantly obvious:
1. There has only been one night kill for the last two nights (actually, every night, but no inferences could be made about the first ones.)
2. The Worf role was dead before the last two missed kills.
3. The Borg were able to kill an Alien

Now, there are some possibilities that I haven't covered:
1. One of the missed night kills could have been a scum group forgetting to put in a night kill
2. One of the missed night kills could have been the two scum groups hitting the same person.

The reason I haven't covered them is that they seem unlikely. This hasn't been a game with a lot of inactives, I doubt either scum group has missed sending in a night kill. As for the second option, it's actually not possible (I mean, one of the non-kills could have been because of this, but both scum groups have missed the night kill because of the protection at least once, assuming no non-sends.) The Borg had to have had a protection non-kill because Jack is dead. The Aliens rather obviously didn't target Jack last night. All of this brings me to the conclusion that both the Borg and the Aliens have managed to figure out a member of the other group.

Now, I originally assumed that Jack was the missed kill for the Borg and that they targetted him again last night. This may be the case and would mean that the Borg no longer have a certain Alien target. The other possibility is that they've chosen to try to lynch the person that they know is Alien because they think s/he is lynchable. That would mean that you or M4yhem are the most likely to be the "known" Alien, with you being even more likely because people were trying to lynch you yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

its hardly surprising, seeing as i have no idea of whether the other 2 are correct or not. The 1 thing i did have confirmation on, i commented on. Simple.
Anyway, i disagree about the scumgroups. Realistically, if the scumgroups work together for the first day or 2, they should have a much greater chance of beating the town. The town begins in the numerical ascendancy, and so a logical scum group would target the biggest threat first. This is the same reason why (when scum) i rarely choose to kill a confirmed vig, because it is more than likely that the vig will actually speed up the process of killing the town. Its the same with all killing roles.

Interesting that you focused so specifically on that option, BM, seeing as I gave three options: Jack could have been the missed kill, M4yhem could be an alien or you could be an alien.

Anyway, if the scum groups were logical, they should have been going after the other scum group the entire game. The other scum group is their biggest threat, regardless of the size of the town. There would be some searching for the town power roles as well, but killing vanilla townies should have been a disappointment.

[Battle Mage]

The Case on Milkman:

First off, it must be pointed out that

Every single person he has voted for in this game is proven protown

.
It is reasonable to be wrong once or twice, but to incriminate 5 or 6 people-none of whom are scum, is pretty bad. He has also joined a number of late wagons on these people.
His lurkiness is also a point against him, though he may just be plain inactive.
However, the main reason i suspect him, is his reluctance to join the Panzer wagon. While saying he thought Panzer was scum, and strongly campaigning for his lynch, he chose not to place a vote on him, with the obvious intention of keeping out of the limelight.
Nonetheless, he made several comments that were pro-Panzer lynch.

In fact, i think Milkman is even scummier than N9V atm, so i will go ahead and

Vote: Milkman

i suggest anyone who doesnt think Milkman is scummy read his posts on their own.
BM

[Battle Mage]

whilst there may not be proof as such that i am protown, if you look from my perspective, I KNOW that i am protown, thus i also know how your voting pattern has gone. Your vote is totally OMGUS btw.
as for the panzer lynch, you also made 2 posts featuring the words: "Panzer wagon sounds cool". Perhaps a message to your scumbuddies that they should hammer?
BM

[quote="Battle Mage"The Case on Milkman:

First off, it must be pointed out that

Every single person he has voted for in this game is proven protown

.

It is reasonable to be wrong once or twice, but to incriminate 5 or 6 people-none of whom are scum, is pretty bad. He has also joined a number of late wagons on these people.

I voted for you, and there is no proof that you're protown. I joined one wagon late, the al4xz wagon, because I thought he was scum.

D1: al4xz was extremely scummy.
D2: I voted livingod. His actions were also really scummy.
D3: Again livingod.
D4: I voted bm.

His lurkiness is also a point against him, though he may just be plain inactive.

I do lurk alot, and I haven't contributed as much as I should. I do try to keep up with the thread, and give my opinion though.

However, the main reason i suspect him, is his reluctance to join the Panzer wagon.

While saying he thought Panzer was scum, and strongly campaigning for his lynch, he chose not to place a vote on him, with the obvious intention of keeping out of the limelight.
Nonetheless, he made several comments that were pro-Panze

r lynch.

I made two posts about the panzer lynch, one asking for a claim, and the second saying that I thought he was town. At this point I think you're grasping at straws,

vote:BM

.[/quote]

[Battle Mage]

apology rejected. now you are back, your only contribution is to lynch one of us. hardly what id call useful protown play.
anyway, i regret to see that you 'spent some time' on that analysis, as it is quite frankly BS.
you have the 2 obvious scumbags in the protown group, and the likely protown players in the scum group.
a leap of faith is exactly what you have made, and you have fallen flat on your face i am sorry to say. Your failure to produce ANY evidence for your guesses makes them nearly worthless. your attempt to suck up the townies, in order to gain the much needed majority over your scum-group counterpart is noted, as is your repetition of comments i have already made.
if you are town, im truly sorry that you wasted your time in such spectacular fashion. If, after all your so-called research, a 'lets kill off BM' was the best you could come up with, you have my deepest sympathy. I am neither Alien nor Borg, however i suspect YOU are the latter.
I wont play a gambit speculating EVERYONES roles, but i will make clear that the following are almost certainly true.

BORG:
Akbar

ALIEN:
Milkman
N9V

I think Akbar genuinely believes that by targetting Milkman and N9V, he can convince 2 innocents to lynch someone of the opposing group. I also believe his plea to the Alien group to side with him. He is clearly well aware that i am a townie, but is hoping to get the other Mafia group on side to lynch me. To this end, Akbar is probably Borg, as he last post suggested.
Hell, if Milkman wasnt such certain scum, id vote Akbar instead. In fact, assuming my analysis is correct, i might be better off helping to lynch a Borg, seeing as it will even up the groups again.

BM

1st off, to the remaining 3 townies, I apologize for not posting more. Between deadlines at work, and feelings of hopelessness based on our crappy start, I haven’t found time to post much more. I’m not even sure if we have a chance to win at this point.

Anyhow, I spent some time analyzing possible roles of the remaining players. Most scum are pretty guarding on not showing who their teammates are in game. But, they tend not to hide who their enemies are. So, instead of guessing who was on who’s team, I spent most my time noting who was NOT on who’s team. Then reverse engineer based on the open set up. Since my track record sucks right now, (I voted Alex day 1, Panzer day 2, and LG day 3), I don’t expect anyone to have too much faith in this, but that won’t stop me from trying.

Alien Group:

M4yhem
Nightfall
TheJiveMachine


Borg Group:

Battle Mage
Spectrum Void
Theopor_COD
Yosarian2



Remaining Town:

Akbar
Jalyn
Milkman
N9V


I cannot possibly post all the data that brought me to this conclusion as it encompasses most of the thread. I understand that I have made a leap here, but we are in a desperate situation and our future looks grim. I realize it’s likely I made at least 1 mistake, which would become 2 simply because their counter spot would have to be filled with a different player. With any luck, I’m not far off the mark. I ask that the 3 remaining townies, even if it’s not Jalyn, Milkman and N9V, check their own lists and see if ours are fairly similar.

Right now, I think the remaining Alien Mafia should take heed of the situation. If you standby or help Borg kill us all without taking the lead, you will lose with us. (The enemy of my enemy kind of thing….) I believe BM was telling the truth when he said he was not Alien. That’s because he’s Borg. I’m confident he’s today’s lynch.

Vote Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

Akbar, try and stick to the facts. I never said Alex gave townie tells-i actually claimed he gave off power-role tells-There is a big difference. Obviously when he claimed vanilla townie, i realised the one reason i had been defending him was no longer valid, and saw no reason not to go along with the towns wishes.
Besides, i dont think i need to remind YOU that you were also on nearly all of those wagons. It doesnt take a genius to work out that someone who hammers is no more to blame than the guy who put the first vote on. If making bad choices is a scumtell, you are far more scummy than me.
as for Yos, i think you have answered your own question. It wouldnt surprise me one bit if he was one of the remaining protown players.
so-as for my track record, i dont think you have any right to criticise, considering your 'contribution' to the town. Nonetheless, this isnt a competition about who is best. Its about finding out who is scum, and THAT my friend, is why you should be lynched today.

Well BM, even if you were town. You’d be the last person to throw insults. Let’s look at your track record.

You told everyone how you found townie tells on Alex and how he might be a power role, and then you tried to hammer him.
You helped get Panzer lynched.
Then you hammered our cop.
And finally you lynched Bogre after telling us it was a trap set by mafia.

So if you are town, you might want to take a step down from that pedestal. I however think the likely answer is your scum.

What’s interesting is through the whole game, Yos takes pretty good notes of suspicious things, but he never seems to find fault in your actions. I wonder why.

[Battle Mage]

BM- What do you think of Yosarian?

i think he is pretty protownish. I mean, in this game, the odds of ANYONE being scum are pretty high but i would say Yos is pretty low on my suspect list, as are you.
2 scum that need lynching today are Milkman and Akbar, however perhaps the former should go first because Akbar still has some serious explaining to do...

BM

[Battle Mage]

wow, i wasnt expecting you guys to come out until tomorrow at least...
well i cant really say i disbelieve your claim, seeing as there is little to be gained by lying. It also makes more sense to lynch Yos first if he is Borg. :arrow:
Btw, if your an alien, can you tell your crew not to NK me?

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian

also,

IGMEOY: Milkman, Akbar

i know you are also both scum, but the order we kill you in doesnt really matter.
BM

Okay, listen. Yosarian2 is scum for sure. I'm 100% certain of this. Why? because I'm an alien and we tried to kill him last night. The kill failed; the only way that works is if he's a borg, since the warf is dead. (That was nice going btw Yos. Did you suspect him of being a power role, or was it just a happy accident?)

To my team; I'm sorry for giving up like this but I figure the borg will kill me anyway even if I manage to get Yos lynched, so I might as well make sure he dies before me. I have faith that you guys can win without me.

I think Jalyn might be scum with Yos, because she tried to get my bandwagon moving without actually having the guts to vote for me; spectrumvoid and Akbar are possibilities too, for the same reason. My gut tells me BM is town.

Confirm vote: Yosairian2

[Battle Mage]

this is correct-i realised after my vote that M4yhem could just as easily be Borg as Alien with this claim. Id like to hear what Yos says before we lynch anyone, so please hold off on voting either person for now guys.
BM

First off Jalyn is correct we shouldn't rush things here. Secondly I'm not sure if I believe M4yhem's alien claim, he's just as likely to be Borg. He's been rather opportunistic and claimed but that doesn't make him confirmed alien or make Yos the play today. The only problem we have is that the only confirmed bad guy is Jack so I'm going to scootle back and see if there's been any interaction or distancing between Jack and M4yhem or Jack and Yos.

[Battle Mage]

ah-the prodigal scum has returned! unfortunately you have just made it blatantly obvious that you are Yosarian's scumbuddy-presumably in the Borg Camp.
To this end my vote stands, and i highly reccommend the rest of the town choose to lynch the Borg Yos over Alien M4yh3m.
BM

It only makes sense to lynch the confirmed scum first.

Vote: m4yhem

this way we can really see what group m4yhem is in, and get a clearer picture of the game state.

I also want to know your nightkills, M4yhem.

[Battle Mage]

are you serious!? you have neglected to recognise the difficulty of the scenario here, by voting for the likely Alien, and ignoring the likely Borg.
whilst i realise that M4yh3m MAY be lying, it seems logical to kill the most likely Borg first (Yos) whose weak defence has confirmed my suspicions.
I'd also go as far to say the following People are Borg and Alien at this point:

Borg Alien
Milkman M4yh3m
Nightfall
Yosarian

Votes:m4yhem

and backhands the people voting Yos today.
I guess we know roughly where to start looking for m4yhem's partners.

[Battle Mage]

note that 2 of the other 3 scum are: Akbar and N9V, but im not sure which team they belong to now...

[Battle Mage]

i totally agree with your logic here. I still think you are scum, but i think you are more likely to be Alien, (due to your vote, and general confidence in M4yh3m) which makes you a pretty low priority for lynching atm.
i also agree with you about the Newt.
@SV-wtf are you doing? if M4yh3m gets killed now, you are so moving onto my scum-list.

we really need someone to hammer Yos now imho, although if M4yh3ms claim is genuine, the Borg may hammer M4yh3m first.

BM

Battle Mage, why are you so sure that I am scum? We have two confirmed scum now. M4yhem is Alien, and Yos is Borg. That is if M4yhem is telling the truth in the first place. I think it's safer to kill Yos, and then M4yhem. Because if the numbers are 3-2 like they will be after this night no matter who gets lynched, it's better than a possible 3-1 situation for the town. That means that there are 8 people left: 3 Borg, 1 Alien, 1 Newt, and 3 Townies. That would put it into a lynch or lose situation. Yos is the safer lynch today.

Vote: Yos2

[Battle Mage]

Borg
Milkman
Nightfall
Yosarian
SV

Alien
M4yh3m
N9V
Akbar

Town
Jalyn
theo
thejivemachine
battle mage

this is my current table. if im right, i claim the match ball after the game

[Battle Mage]

frankly i read your reaction to his claim, and it was WEAK. So, of the 2 of you, i chose to believe him. Dont worry, if we're wrong, im sure M4yh3m will be NKed or lynched tomorrow. there is only so long a confessed scum can last.

whilst i realise that M4yh3m MAY be lying, it seems logical to kill the most likely Borg first (Yos) whose weak defence has confirmed my suspicions.

Why would you believe that M4yhem is an alien and not a borg? Lying and claiming to be a scum of the smaller scum group is quite a common scum tactic; I won with that tactic in Jungle Republic, in fact. And M4yhem's own actions pretty clearly don't fit with his claim, at all.

[Battle Mage]

if the kill on you failed, that means you must be scum, surely?

No, your scum group probably targeted me night 1, because you seem to think I'm a threat as a player, and failed, and you've just assumed I'm scum ever since.

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Yosarian2

its pretty obvious that Yos is the lynch for today. idc whether its taboo to put someone at lynch -1. we all know hes scum, so there isnt any point dragging the day out further.

FOS: Jalyn

for attempting to do so.
also-the data that was lost was fairly important imo, as i lost my analysis of who is and isnt scum. if i remember rightly, i was going to do a reread on those who i wasnt sure on. (Theo, Jalyn and Nightfall?)
ill probably leave that for tomorrow now, as i think today is pretty much over.
someone please hammer
BM

[Battle Mage]

we already have a good idea of that. the town wants him lynched because he is scum. the Aliens want him lynched because he isnt in their scumgroup. the Borg will probably hop on his wagon because they feel like bussing their buddy. we have already had the day, and in that day we decided that there was little point prolonging things. tomorrow, i believe extensive discussion will be required, but at this stage, it really wont achieve anything-when we already have a very good idea of who is who.
BM

If I vote for Yos right now we have no actual day. That would be ridiculous. There are people who hadn't even talked in thread this day before we lost data. I am not lynching someone without having a record of how everyone feels about it to analyze later.

[Battle Mage]

then heres hoping your not Borg. i dont particularly wanna get caught in the crossfire between both scumgroups. FYI-i dont mind admitting that i am sympathetic to the Aliens today. they are significantly the weaker scum group-numerically, and because WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
BM

I think BM is the likely other alien.

unvote

We do not need to rush things. I want to hear from everyone.

[Battle Mage]

duh...
so he can confirm you as scum!

Hell, I believe N9V was my "sure" alien if M4yhem turned up alien.

But then why would he claim today?

[Battle Mage]

but you admitted yourself that M4yh3m confirmed you as Borg, therefore your whole argument is null and void

duh...
so he can confirm you as scum!

That dosn't make any sense, though. I was already likely to get lynched. And yet an alien claiming today dramatically lowers the chances of the aliens losing. So again, the only logical reason for him to claim would be if he was Borg, and all he had to do in order to win was to get me lynched today; otherwise the action makes no sense.

[Battle Mage]

aww shucks. however im thinking thet the Borg last night would have been more keen to hit the Newt, or another Alien than a townie, because, as Yos said, they wholeheartedly expected you to kill Yos anyway and so victory would not be assured.
Anyway, whoever said we should make this day longer, SUCKS.
This game has now suddenly dropped into near inactivity.
Day should end NOW.
BM

[Battle Mage]

true, although Jules is almost certain to vote for Yos, rather than bussing his buddy unneccesarily.

BM

Can we have a prod on Jules. I want everyone to post thoughts before anyone hammers, therefore BM day shouldn't end until then at least. Without Jules posting we have no information about Jive/Jules for later days.

Reading through the last page I can't see N9V as Borg, he's alien that I'm sure off just depends whether to believe Milkman or Yos was the confirmed kill, however I think even if Yos wasn't the likely kill he's probably Borg by trying to push N9V as Borg. I'll in all likelihood vote him unless something dramatic happens after Jules posts.

[Battle Mage]

how does me saying that its a good idea we wait for Jules to post, imply that i dont want him to post?
that is seriously poor logic mate. lol

[Battle Mage]

in that case, Jules has had plenty of time. Jules hasnt even posted since replacing in. either needs a serious prodding, or a replacement.
BM

[Battle Mage]

ROFLMAO

Yos's recent posts smack of desperation I cannot see in a million years N9V as anything but an alien. I'll be voting Yos after we hear from Jules, the fact Jules hasn't appeared makes me think he's Alien or Borg not sure which mind.

[Battle Mage]

actually, im not saying anything. if you're right in claiming that you dont know what im talking about, it should probably stay that way, considering the possibility of you being scum (i wouldnt say its likely, but definitely possible).
but to respond to your question-yes, i do.

Well Sherlock you got any opinions on the dissapearing man?

As I say more information we can get today the better.

[Battle Mage]

im not sure that is such a good idea. first, it gives any lazy Borg the opportunity to have free shots at the Aliens, whereas the Aliens probably have little idea who (other than Yos and SV) are Borg. the more observant players will already have an inkling of who it is. In the hope that none of them are scum, i wouldnt reccommend an outright claim.
BM

N9V > Just to be certain tha there is no way for confusion later on, could you please post the name of your alien buddy? I know you more than hinted at who it was earlier, but to be clear I would like a name. At that point I would like the other alien to post and confirm this, even if we need a replacement. If that player confirms and there is no counter claims then I will consider you both to be off the table for todays lynch. If we lynch a non borg today, both aliens and town are doomed.

[Battle Mage]

SV is Borg dude. im almost certain of it.

[Battle Mage]

BAH lol. i was really enjoying this game too...
GO TOWN!
BM

[Battle Mage]

DANG...
i really thought SV was Borg too..
Great game from that perspective on the part of the Aliens.
Nonetheless, im still a bit pissed that BOTH scumteams killed me...
lol
Great Game Kelly!
BM

[Battle Mage]

lol yeh i spose. still, an awesome game.
Anyone fancy a sequel?

BM you should be flattered that both scum groups thought you were such a threat. Heheh