Micro 370: Gerrymander Mafia (Game Over)

[Xayzeck]

Wagon ahoy!

VOTE: Xay

[Xayzeck]

I've played with all of ya'll except mollie and ETL.

[Xayzeck]

HI XAY. You have played with me but you don't remember. I may have been under an alt.

You were Wax. The last scum that I townread until the end. >.<

Snork?

The rest are hydras of people who I don't think are alts x]

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yesh XD Maybe now I realize it was probably strange for you that I wanted to hydra with you LOL

It was a little odd, but to be fair I've been wanting to play with you for a while since you're a pretty regular sight on site (lol rhymes)

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ok so.. politics. and stuff.

how do we influence social media??

HAHA

damn this is gonna be a fun game

it's prolly PR related..erm...

UNVOTE:

It's either someone has 2 votes, or that's going to follow hop on a L-2

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THEN LET'S GET OUT OF RVS!

we can ignore the social media for now I guess, but to be safe, let's avoid L-1s, because it could be a "follow the majority" kind of thing. outing what social media is could also mean outing your PR, so let's avoid that too, i guess? unless someone has a better theory on what social media could be.

VOTE: Vett

[Xayzeck]

STEAL TOP

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Who do you think holds the Social Media vote? Town or scum?

[Xayzeck]

either way it's WIFOM now till it's on a lynch wagon

it's on obvtown tho

[Xayzeck]

Scum doublevoter in a micro seems OP. It's probably either a Town PR or some weird voting mechanic we have no direct control over

or it could be third party

[Xayzeck]

Here. Im on mobile. MOBILE. Also social media is most likely town.

what if social media is just based on post count

[Xayzeck]

hi let me spam some posts so sorry

etl please hold off till tha next vc maybe

[Xayzeck]

say waht...

i think you're town i just threw in obvtown because it sounded good

[Xayzeck]

Looking at his other games it looks like a playstyle issue to me

Have you played with vett? Or did you just skim? I've played with him once, and honestly it wasn't THAT bad

[Xayzeck]

Don't spam, Xay

NO

it's setup theory stuff yo gotta test it out

[Xayzeck]

Well then social media will be on me the whole game. Cuz.. I don't.. yeah I dunno. I can't not post what I think. You can spam all you like and try to beat my post count in the early stage here if you like to test it out.

Nah, it probably isn't post count.

Went back to the first VC, before the first VC I had the most posts. Unless the first was just to introduce it. May have to wait for another VC.

Until then we should get someone else on the highest post count tho

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almost had that top steal

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Wait what I f there is sk? Maywbe socialedialikes sk.

Pedit lemme post

you mean social is controlled by SK? or social votes SK?

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Page Count (Day): 3
Page Count (Total): 3

does cabd always do this?

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p-edit: Am I the only one who actually read the rules?

possibly, why?

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Hey vett did you read ETL's minicase on you? What do you think?

What's your read on ETL?

[Xayzeck]

Controlled. Or just town. I think latter. Scum is possible. I think town has double vote.


Lemme post pls

move your vote it's dumb where it is

[Xayzeck]

Controlled. Or just town. I think latter. Scum is possible. I think town has double vote.


Lemme post pls

move your vote it's dumb where it is

[Xayzeck]

what's nix

what did my dp do D:

and yeah i read the rules, so i get the pagecount thing now

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haha yeah, i promise my posts won't be so shit after this, just doing what I can to rack up my post count above etl

because etl posts so much

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M THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DP THAT I KNOW OF... AND I DON'T THINK XAY IS DOING THAT...

double posting is the only one i know of

or display picture

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M THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DP THAT I KNOW OF... AND I DON'T THINK XAY IS DOING THAT...

double posting is the only one i know of

or display picture

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ya i'm just waiting for the VC, and I have to be above you when the VC comes

if it isn't here yet I have to keep this bad posting up

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AND IT'S NOT HERE YET

Let's still do vett tho

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oka you bad at voting

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oka you bad at voting

[Xayzeck]

something is up with me computer or internet, i keep doubling.

anyway oka, sheeping social media is a bad idea, especially since we don't know how that works yet.

[Xayzeck]

hope you wear diapers ETL

pedit: okay

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I'll he serious when I get home. Im just figuring out studf.

can't you figure stuff out on the phone

like figure out that sheeping social is stupid

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In answer to ETL mini-case against me, I think it is obviously misguided, and not based on anything of substance. I'll hold judgement until later as to if that is scum being opportunistic or misguided town until a bit later.

what happened to that omgus playstyle you had in that newbie we did together? is that gone now?

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If you're town do you not see how people could misread you tonally? It doesn't look like you're trying to understand his read here, just calling it bad

Then vote him? Because I get the feeling you're scumreading him

[Xayzeck]

you actually think maes could be scum for that?

[Xayzeck]

lol, poor etl

was up waiting for the vc, going to head to bed now

[Xayzeck]

Potenitally, there's also this

PEDIT: ...whu? It's not implied, and I'm just saying my opinion. It could be a regular doublevote, a wacky PR thing, or it could be a random voting aspect, like we seem to be testing now.

if it hasn't moved by the next VC I'd be reasonably certain it's the former

don't jump down my throat ETL

I'm not sure I see it, where's the scummy in that?

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Potenitally, there's also this

PEDIT: ...whu? It's not implied, and I'm just saying my opinion. It could be a regular doublevote, a wacky PR thing, or it could be a random voting aspect, like we seem to be testing now.

if it hasn't moved by the next VC I'd be reasonably certain it's the former

don't jump down my throat ETL

What i'm doing is trying to understand NM's read, because he brought up a post which I assume he scumread M for.

I didn't see it, so I'm asking.

Do I townread M? Not really, other than vibes.

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Potenitally, there's also this

PEDIT: ...whu? It's not implied, and I'm just saying my opinion. It could be a regular doublevote, a wacky PR thing, or it could be a random voting aspect, like we seem to be testing now.

if it hasn't moved by the next VC I'd be reasonably certain it's the former

don't jump down my throat ETL

What i'm doing is trying to understand NM's read, because he brought up a post which I assume he scumread M for.

I didn't see it, so I'm asking.

Do I townread M? Not really, other than vibes.

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i swear this dping is not intentional

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UNVOTE:

Ya town. Let's see......

VOTE: ETL

Yo bounce back, because right now your reaction to his claim stinks

[Xayzeck]

It's the meh whatever attitude reaction

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And also I don't think vett will get N
Also should not be near endgame

[Xayzeck]

NK'd****

[Xayzeck]

Hi pls stop da hate will catch up thx

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HELLO I HAVE A COMPUTER NOW

TYPING IN CAPS BECAUSE I SEE LOTS OF BIG LETTERS

CATCHING UP

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Of the games I have played on the site I haven't lost any yet, so I have to assume I'm not the VI you think I am.

You've only played 1 no?

The one with me?

And we won that thanks to setup help, not through, like, amazing scumhunting.

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yeah. lol. you must suck pretty bad then if you think i'm scum.

yoooo that what am I?

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He's finished a single Micro outside the Newbie Queue.

"The Murder of Doctor Pepper" - looks like one of his Newbies (where he was Town and won) also included you...?
Either way, 3 only makes a "streak" in League of Legends. 3 wins means nothing to me and VI status changes from game to game.

Ya I played a newbie with him, and I take full credit for it (not really I tracked doc and goon fakeclaimed so lynched that and then lynched Nacho)

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LOL this game has took a hilarious turn for getting picky and fed up over the silliest of tells and the dumbest of remarks

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VOTE: Oka

Now let's lynch this scumfuck

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vettork isn't confTown. He is confDoublevoter.

Don't EVER tell me what to do again.

Hi yes this very much

Also Oka's blatant dickriding on Vett makes me very comfortable. And I'm not sure how he's so confident in Vett's reads. Heck, he doesn't even look like he has developed reads on his own, it's like he's just blindly sheeping Vett.

It sucks

I hate it

Let's lynch it

[Xayzeck]

WAT.

Oh noes

LOL

what kind of reaction is this

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Oka

Now let's lynch this scumfuck

well isn't this interesting

Whats so interesting?

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Gah all these posts I cant do these on my phone lol

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And he used the Social Media thing as an excuse to spam the thread with crap. I also find the lack of paranoia towards ETL and calling her obvtown awkward and buddyish.

Okayyyyyyyyyyy on the spamming part. Worth testing though?

ETL comment was kinda tongue in cheek early game use. She was a townread, though not so much anymore.

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On the M buddying thing - I don't get it, where did you guys find this? If it's agreeing with his points, you guys are weird.

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wat is so uninteresting about it

lets start there

I tell you what is uninteresting? That's weird

Erm

It's just me starting the Oka wagon?

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brian skies, xay and jiffy questionable/unknown at the moment. must read more in depth

But you said I was scum?

[Xayzeck]

maestro is town

Does M always rage?

[Xayzeck]

Ty, checking in during a lecture lol. 35% left on my phone tho D:

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Oka do you really trust vett's reads?

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No? I think the theory would have worked itself out on its own.

And so, because I wanted to find out asap, I'm scum?

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oka is your cw but you are super-interested in maestro

why

I'm not super interested I just asked you for his meta

I had a game with him but I don't recall this must rage (tho I was only in there for 1 gameday)

Then all this meta tall has me wondering if raging is always his townplay, or whether his rage here is townrage over scumrage.

So yeah? Why am I "super interested"?

[Xayzeck]

hey xack thing there is question for you!!!

IM ON MY PHONE GIVE ME SOME FUCKING TIMEE JWDBPUBECIBQEPIBC

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That's buddying brian? That's me echoing and sheeping, not kissing up to him to get townread.

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Idk how to phrase

Basically he brought it up and I'm like "yeah that's true"

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A bit. Somewhat. My reads have differed.

Like, do you think he's justified them enough? Are you sheeping his reasons? Or do you have reasons of your own, and your reasons differ, but reads are the same?

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one of Xay/Oka

Why can't it be both?

Why am I not obvtown?

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Obvtown part wasn't serious you know. More serious was why is it Xay OR Oka scum, but not both?

And if the above is something you've brought up before, please do enlighten me, because I don't remember you every commenting about me/Oka until..well...just?

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Right

You see I'm voting Oka right now

but more and more I'm considering Oka-town, strictly for meta reasons. Going off that Okascum I've seen is reserved, and Okatown I've seen is a bit more balls out.

I have to admit, he's a lot more balls out than I would expect, especially just going head on with M, but I've seen him go balls out harder.

That's the only thing that has me thinking so far, though.

I thought that you drew that conclusion from interactions or other circumstances lol

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Brian Skies - Hasn't posted enough to make a lasting impression
Xayzeck - obvscum
EspeciallyTheLies - Started out town but then started to get disconnected and peripheral from the game, like I would too as scum. I'm not going to attach my own meta to you, but the early towniness isn't enough to keep the slot up. Probably leaning scum? But not a solid read at all.
Not_Mafia - I don't even remember a single post, except "sheeping ETL on "Xay sheeps M"" which is so weird, idk. Tongue-in-cheek me would say nulltown for making such an obviously dumb statement, but in reality that's not how it works.
Majiffy - Resounding null, he's stood out less than NM
Maestro - Town. I haven't gone back to check, but the last game I had with him he was scum? Nomination Mafia was it? He didn't have the rage. I'd like to confirm this with you ETL, does he rage a lot as town? Because if it's pirate/Maestro we're dealing with I don't know if I can trust that meta.
vettrock - Probably town because of PR, haven't been reading into him because of that.
pirate mollie - idk? Haven't really read into her either, probably because she's just started posting content. I'd say nulltown for having a Mtownread, but like I said above, if it's Maestro/pirate then that doesn't work.
OkaPoka - Wavering scumread

The biggest thing on my mind now is pirate/M and Oka/ETL. Both are kinda sketchy without much substantiation, just kinda lines that I've drawn in my head for no particular reason. I haven't investigated these yet because I only started thinking about these on the way home. Basically, Oka/ETL because they're the scummier of my reads, and pirate/M, because only pirate has commented about his rage, and attributed to town under a metatell. Could be scum faking meta for others, and just passing it off as town. Although if I believe it's townrage, then is this meta-thing really a big deal? Hmm

[Xayzeck]

Xay continues his awkward posting.

yay for vagueness

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let's play the yolo game

VOTE: NM

dance with me

[Xayzeck]

Tongue-in-cheek me would say nulltown for making such an obviously dumb statement, but in reality that's not how it works.

lol pls read

the whole thing of course

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Like that is pretty selective reasoning that is not even close to alignment indicative. AND if you go search up Snork's posts in that micro we were in together, you'll see that I did in fact say I was LA on weekends. I never need to post a V/LA notice because I actually do try to check in at least once a day on the weekend. As I have this past weekend.

I don't think you've interpreted this right. It isn't an issue of post count or whether you kept posting with the game. Around post 220+ you were posting, but the push on me came out of nowhere. THAT is disconnected from the game, and rather peripheral, and had nothing to do with what was going on, which was M/Oka shouting about. I get that you're trying to ground the game back to scumhunting, but it just felt SO out of place it bugs me. Heck, before you voted me you were focused more on Oka, but then that..kinda just disappeared? Is it scum just trying to pull up a wagon, or like a legit townpush?

Because a legit townpush would make more sense IF you had pushed Oka, who had your attention at the time.

And also I ISO'd you and I realised you haven't really talked to M yet, just about him.

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lolk

yeah that's the spirit

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And also I ISO'd you and I realised you haven't really talked to M yet, just about him.

idek why I brought this up tbh

I think it was like "oh maybe ETL/M could be a thing" and then I posted and remembered that ETL/M doesn't make much sense because M is town

But M is only town for townrage, so maybe. I guess it was just good to pull that up, because things like this can be covered up as the game continues

yknow

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This is why I say you have not been reading my posts. I gave very specific reasons for why I am voting you. I am going from VCA using Vettrock=town as a baseline and you come up scum.

If you missed that, even though you say you ISO'd me, I really.. don't know what to tell you.

Very specific? Your reasons were basically "oh he doesn't have reads of his own, vett and oka did, though they were shit" That's not very specific to me.

I just gave you brief reads and thoughts on slots, and I'm developing them right now, particularly NM because he posted and I decided to look at his ISO.

You have put me up higher on your scumlist because I have not given reasoning, whereas Vett did, and Oka, although contradictory, did as well.

You've asked me for reasons for reads, I've given them to you. What more do you want? Do you feel they aren't good enough? Which ones? All? Are there specific reads that you care about? My read on Oka? My read on NM?

I thought you were asking for who I thought was scum because you wanted to understand my mindset. I gave you reads, I was expecting questions, not a readlist of your own. A defense of yourself? Sure, but it wasn't for the attack I was presenting, not to me anyway.

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mollie is pretty obviously town here. She's been actively looking for town reads and reaffirming them for herself with each post. That's what mollie does when she's actually looking for scum. I'm not worried about her.

Maestro does rage as town. He rages as scum too but he has a difficult time making it look genuine. This is the problem I have with his later rageposts here. Early rage posts were probably very genuine. Not alignment indicative really, but it did make me think he was town. later rageposts erased that for me. I am waiting on mollie as I think I might trust her read on him better. It's been a while since I've played with Maestro. I'd say I knew him better last year.

I don't know why you're telling me any of this like I'm going to sheep it. I've made it pretty clear I don't townread you right now, so I'm not going to sheep you on any of your reads.

What did you hope to achieve with this? None of this were made with the intent to convince me, they were made to answer "blahblah here are my reads, what are yours?" which I never asked.

By the way, this is pretty much summed up to "Mollie is scumhunting, fits her meta. M is raging, fits the meta, but doing it too much to nicely fit the meta." which is completely understandable, but I hope you realise that none of this is content that is useful to the two of us right now.

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I'm leaning town on Oka because he doesn't seem to care what anyone here thinks of him, despite the wagon on him he's stuck to his guns going against the majority, I don't agree with on a lot of it but i can understand where a lot of it came from and out a lot of his scumminess down to playstyle

Can you please elaborate on Oka a little? What exactly do you not agree on, but you can understand where it comes from?

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none of this is content that is useful to the two of us right now.

I don't really give a shit if it's useful to you. It's useful to me and may be useful to others.

And I don't particularly like the tone of this post tbqh.

Yeah I'm grumpy right now because of this game

Because for some reason I can't definitively say you are scum or town and it's frustrating me

I asked because I want to know what you want me to think you think. You are not the only one I want this from.

And then? Does anything come after that? I was expecting questions asking me about my reads, given they are pretty brief, unless just looking at them you went "lol these reads are shit he's obvscum", then that makes more sense to me.

Also, I'm not really sure why you think I was referring to post count when I said I was "actively posting". That has nothing to do with post count.

Because you typed "I'm an extremely active poster

during the weekdays

" in 410. If that wasn't about post count, then what was it? Regularity of posts? How often you can post? Because either way none of that is really related to what I was referring to. I inferred that you were defending yourself from my disconnected attack because you weren't able to post recently, but not being able to post wasn't why I felt you were disconnected.

I don't know why you're telling me any of this like I'm going to sheep it.

You.... asked.

I don't recall asking? Can you quote me on this maybe?

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I'd like to confirm this with you ETL, does he rage a lot as town?

Oh yeah I did ask that

Though you told me so much that I forgot what I was looking for. Sorry about that.

Because you typed "I'm an extremely active poster during the weekdays" in 410. If that wasn't about post count, then what was it?

I was referring my attention on the gamestate and my involvement with it.

One of the problems I had with this disconnection was your push on me, which I feel is justified because you were still involved in the game prior to your vote on me, you were talking to M and Oka and what not, and all of a sudden you push on me. I'm not sure why this bugs me so much, but it felt disconnected from the game, almost like you're trying to ground the game away from whatever was happening, which is also one of the reasons I thought of Oka/ETL, to distract yourself from Oka(which you haven't really talked about, although you haven't got the chance to interact with him realtime so that's understandable). A little of a stretch though.

Also, you should stop projecting your expectations of how I should scumhunt. If I have a question or comment about your reads, I will share it, like I did about mollie/maestro. I've made it clear I am still sorting NM.

Do follow up on NM. His involvement in the game has just been spectacular.

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WOOOOOO L-1

You guys are so lost with reads

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Xay

Stick with the gut.

This vote tho

[Xayzeck]

Mr Opportunistic yo

Btw don't hammer me out of the blue let me post shit first k

[Xayzeck]

I'm not sure I like this reaction.

Do you think it's scum?

Yes? No?

Probably a no, yes?

[Xayzeck]

UNVOTE:

Love ya to bits for this

Now later on in school I'll have access to a computer....in about 4-5 hours I think? So I'll try to get in substantial stuff then

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Id like you to explain how my vote is opportunistic.

I'm biggest wagon

Everyone doesn't like me

You haven't said anything about your read IIRC

Just get it to L-1 choochoo

Watch people hate me more hopefully

And then someone hammers

Unless you're gonna substantiate the vote, I'll be assuming this

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The majority do want to lynch Oka, though.

huh?

[Xayzeck]

My teacher keeps walking around lol

[Xayzeck]

s'true

Then I'd imagine he'd already be lynched by now, no?

[Xayzeck]

the majority doesn't want to lynch Oka

This game is confusing lol

[Xayzeck]

yeah NM replied me thanks I'll reply to that if I got time, just focusing on catching up first

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I am not sure that vetty could be more town even if he tried.

I am not sure what exactly you're seeing that makes him obvtown to you

[Xayzeck]

I am not sure that vetty could be more town even if he tried.

ok nvm this has to wait for home, still halfway through M's wall there

[Xayzeck]

Catching up... Again

shut up a whole lot of posts happened okay.

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Well the main things are him buying in to Vett's reads and the whole SK thing. I can easily see him telegraphing "I like Vett/Vett's attitude" and "I don't like Maestro/Maestro's attitude" to Vett is town and I can trust him and Maestro is scum/bad and I can't trust him. And by SK I think he means any generic third party but is just being clumsy about it. It seems like a glorified playstyle issue to me like the early reads on Vett were.

You however I just find completely forced and trying to fit in with the ETL/Maestro/Majiffy/mollie block, and if at least 3 of those are town which I'm pretty sure is true, it's exactly the kind of potenital townbloc I'd be wanting to either break up or worm my way in to. Nor do I see where your ETL read has come from or how you could characterise his read on you as coming from no where so it just looks like OMGUS.

Am I? I don't think I interacted at all with mollie/Majiffy/M significantly until recently? Majiffy only mildly, mollie almost not at all, M probably the most out of the three, but I agree that I've interacted with ETL the most, probably because this is the first game I've had with her, and I know her from sitechat.

How am I forcing myself to fit in with that block of players? Calling ETL obvtown? Because I hope it's clear that that wasn't serious. She was an early townread, though, but not obvtown, and I think I've said this already.

What did I do to try and fit in with mollie? Or Majiffy? Or M?

Also, I understood nothing from your first paragraph, I would appreciate rephrasing, because it's a little messy.

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WTF DOES THAT MEAN

it means you pissed cabd off with your pagetops

jk

i don't have involvement with gamestate change

[Xayzeck]

YES I AM CATCHED UP

except for that vett case from brian

i am soooo not reading that

NM still looks good with his recent posts tho, like after 434 he produces like no content. The only content in 434 is just replying to me, and that's content I had to squeeze out.

437 Is asked without any follow up
440 Is just fluff stuff not important
472 Is putting Oka in bad light. Also not scumhunting in any of these.

Let's get more votes here yeah yeah?

[Xayzeck]

Stupid wagon is stupid.

It shouldn't even exist

[Xayzeck]

He just gives townvibes

Is this your fuckshit reason?

[Xayzeck]

I'd like to defend myself but I DONT EVEM KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DEFEND FROM

I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY THIS WAGON EXISTS OTHER THAN BLIND SHEEP AND STUPID PEOPLE

[Xayzeck]

And 1 scum

And a vote that was made in RVS that's just parked for reason I still dont fucking know

[Xayzeck]

So, about the wagon Xay. Why should I unvote?

I would tell you if I knew why the fuck you were voting in the first place

[Xayzeck]

Defend yourself from majiffy's attack.

wat

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Xay

Stick with the gut.

this was all the case I found

unless i'm blind

[Xayzeck]

Xay, whose vote on your wagon doesn't belong?

Majiffy is the idk what the fuck

Oka is equally idk what the fuck, reaction test excuse is stupid and I hate it, because I do that sometimes too just as an excuse for my bullshit

Brian is the voteparking IDK why you are voting me since that hasn't moved since RVS

NM is the scum, which I hope will be more apparent as I interact with him. I looked at his ISO, and I don't like. You can look at it too, but I don't want to send you in there with the mindset of looking for scumtells, as that would be dumb. I'd rather draw enough content out from him to assure myself he is scum, and then present the points to you.

You are however, free to go and check NM's ISO on your own, however now that I have told you the above, don't come to me bullshitting about narrative building.

[Xayzeck]

Go on.

Tis NM.

Although I do not have a substantial case yet, he is one of my biggest scumreads, for doing fuckall basically

[Xayzeck]

Majiffy and he seems pretty adamant about Xay being scum (and I think he was one of the first ones to explicitly state a scumread there).

Funny, because I thought ETL started my wagon? And he only hopped on recently, for reasons I still do not see and have yet to find.

Or be presented to me.

Besides "gut"

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It's not necessarily your interactions but you whole demeanor and tone this game look completely and transparently forced to me, after Maestro's squabble with Oka you come in and sheep him and mirror his phrasing in a way that looks entirely unnatural

And about OKa. One issue was his early reads on Maestro and Vettrock. I can see him taking his personal dislike of Maestro/his style and associating that with a scumread, and the opposite in regards to Vett. And when he was talking about an SK I think he meant third party, but articulated himself poorly. I can explain most of what he's doing in some way or another. And even then I've seen town Oka do things I can't wrap my head around. The confidence and lack of regard of what the rest of town thinks of him is what makes me lean towards him being town.

What specifically do you feel is forced? Was it a specific post that made you feel so? Because I don't think I've phrased a post differently in this game when compared with the rest of my meta.

Heck, does this mean that the bulk of your scumread on me is tone?

And what do you mean by you've seen townOka do things you can't wrap your head around? Are you referring to in this game or outside this game? And how is this relevant to your read on him now? Is the confidence and lack of regard also meta tells?

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Vett is maybe scum,

this read of yours is really all over

[Xayzeck]

Is anyone willing to vote Vett? I'd prefer to lynch Vett over Xay.

I don't mind, he'll be a pain in lylo anyway

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Though you're a pretty good wagon today too

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and the vett wagon is like...nonexistent

we can still do NM though, i'm down for that

[Xayzeck]

I am going to consider a NM lynch as I really don't want a Xay lynch.

And what about your Brian vote? Do you still think he is scum?

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: mollie

Oh wonderful VCA

[Xayzeck]

Assume no bus

Look off wagon

I am town

Therefore mollie

[Xayzeck]

I just don't think buddy bussed, can't really explain why?

[Xayzeck]

I also don't think that scum bussed, not because I think that scum didn't bus, but because I think Xay is scum.

suree okay

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Also Mollie had open intent on Oka and the only reason I was the hammer and by extension she wasn't on the wagon was because it was a deadline lynch, Mollie also didn't post anywhere on the 12th (day of the deadline), so I fail to see your point.

You know

you could just not log on altogether

right?

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also

you know that she claimed intent

so oka claimed

and that stuff happened after that

so the claim is not really relevant?

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like "oka is my buddy. he is a pr. he can claim, and it could derail the lynch, because pr"

especially since neighbourizer is commonly(afaik)a townrole

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I wanted to hammer you cos you look scummy with your erratic play. like not in a scumhunting way.

town does reaction tests but then they follow through on it and remind me of where you did this? you said you did a reaction test on xay but didn't follow through.

if you are a neighbourizer it makes sense to sort out nullish reads.

I am just trying to figure out the axis you are spinning from and I can't.

so walk me through it.

this is the last post from her ISO, a few posts after she claimed intent

notice how she doesn't really take a stance, there is no decent follow up from the intent. it's just "intent, pls claim. oh neighbourizer you are now null and not scum. actually idk i where your posts are coming from, obvtown for me"

after oka claims neighbourizer, she just asks "who will you neighbourize" like, how is that related to your read on him?

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So, it points to Xay, pretty much only Xay. I'm curious to know, if Xay is scum, why would he explicitly highlight that scum didn't bus? I wouldn't have thought of it for a few days at least.

Consider my vote there. I'm not really interested in voting while Vett holds two of them.

did you just like

completely ignore the fact

that the people off the oka wagon are:
Me, mollie, jiffy, Oka

and if you take out the fucking dead people, it's:
me, mollie

so it clearly does not fucking point to "only Xay" like you claim.

And if you would like a response to my L-1 wagon:
You all suck at reading me

period

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NK wifom?

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let's not have this "oh this person likely wouldn't kill this guy, so let's just take that out of the scumpool"

[Xayzeck]

OR you could drive me up to L-1 and we let fireworks happen

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so mollie is a player who puts absolutely no thoughts into her NKs and makes no attempts to frame people with them to make others fall into a trap?

because mollie is totally a player who would random.org her kills

because talking about nk's is a great idea especially since we have no idea what the scumteam is thinking

why the fuck am i even discussing this with you

[Xayzeck]

Let's not have you tell me how to fucking scum hunt, mk? Thanks.

hey that's a familiar line

[Xayzeck]

I wanted to hammer you cos you look scummy with your erratic play. like not in a scumhunting way.

town does reaction tests but then they follow through on it and remind me of where you did this? you said you did a reaction test on xay but didn't follow through.

if you are a neighbourizer it makes sense to sort out nullish reads.

I am just trying to figure out the axis you are spinning from and I can't

.

so walk me through it.

this is the last post from her ISO, a few posts after she claimed intent

notice how she doesn't really take a stance, there is no decent follow up from the intent. it's just "intent, pls claim. oh neighbourizer

you are now null and not scum. actually idk i where your posts are coming from, obvtown for me"

after oka claims neighbourizer, she just asks "who will you neighbourize" like, how is that related to your read on him?

Point out the bold for me because I'm not seeing where she's backtracking on the read

bolded

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How about you explain why you were voting Not_Mafia yesterday?

p-edit: lolwtf... that's not a backtrack?

because his ISO was terribad, and still is, but frankly I don't know why i did anymore, because i'll be on mollie

why isn't it?

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@Xay It's a question to assess his mindset with the role, and if it's coming from town, which seems pretty explicit in her post to me. At what point is she calling him obvtown? In what universe is that a readflip

i never said she called him obvtown

i said she wanted oka to star obvtown-ing (even though it isn't explicitly stated, it's like scumbuddy talking to scumbuddy, yknow)

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This doesn't really answer the question at all.

What, specifically, in his ISO made you think he was scum? I don't give a shit if you would have or will be voting mollie. I am asking you why you were voting NM yesterday.

"his iso was terribad" is a generalization, not an explanation, and a cop out to answering my question.

p-edit: yeah.... no. You're wrong.

i'm not interested in NM today, but I can pull a really quick general read with links to posts on why I was voting him

but that's not really applicable for the rest of today

and why am I wrong?

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He does a lot of question asking without following up, like asks a question, demands an answer, but doesn't continue. I don't see that as scumhunting, it's just pretending to scumhunt. Asking questions to look like you're scumhunting, but not much done to actually further develop the read, kinda like 1 question every once in a while, without much of an interaction.
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There's this weird sheep, where he sheeps ETL who scumreads me for sheeping...like, what? I don't get it, not scummy, just kinda what the fuck that bothered me. and even after sheeping he adds on this "he's trying to blend in with w/x/y/z", which I can get to be scum motivated? kinda? But I don't know why I can't do that as town? It was such an out of place tell, it was like he was trying to just substantiate his sheep with ANYTHING to look better
283 is the sheep, 299 is the fitting in thing, which changes to being forced in 570, which kinda made me more sure that he just made this tell up on a spot

Also in 570, there's this thing he does when he talk about Oka, where he brings up the "I can see where he's coming from if he were town, though it is scummy". That bothered me a lot, and it's independent from Oka's flip. Like he was so kind when considering Oka's alignment, but when it came to me, he just straight saw scum. Strictly scum. I didn't like that.

Lazy to do the rest, his ISO gets better later on in the game though. Like there's more of the flow of thoughts and scumhunting, just slightly though.

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I'm asking you for the information, aren't I? It must be applicable to my purposes.

So, either you are open/honest town willing to be transparent, or you are scum hiding your motives.

Answer the fucking question please.

if the question was why I was scumreading NM

i was doing it

pls it's hard to keep typing post tags, since [p] doesn't work (i think?)

It was some post that NM made that prompted me to ISO him, because slightly before he made said post, I did a brief readlist where I realised I didn't have a decent read on him, and chucked him into nulltown on a whim

So I went into his ISO thinking "why did I have this guy as nulltown"

and saw probably the shittiest ISO ever

There was very little flow of questions, again, it was like asking questions for the sake of asking them. How are we interacting now? There is this flow of questions and answers. You ask, I answer, you ask something from my answer, and this goes on, because this is (at least for me) how reads develop.

NM, maybe it's his playstyle, works with 1 question, 1 answer, and no more. Any other question posed to the same player are unrelated and are about something else. Does that 1 answer really clarify his doubts in the first place? This it really help him solve alignments? I didn't think so.

And the fact that I, his strongest scumread(i'm assuming), was largely based on tone, was really disturbing. I even made attempts to interact with him after that, so that I could squeeze out more content for him, and maybe he would realise that tone isn't the best way to justify a scumread.

That never happened though, I even had to confirm if tone was the bulk of his scumread on me, and it was, and I've generated a decent amount of content, aside from the post spam early game, that he can use BESIDES tone, like "he's trying to fit in with w/x/y/z" or "he's transparently forced". I don't expect that from town NM, because I've played with NM multiple times before, and I'm sure he's more than this(this small meta argument isn't the bulk of the problem I had though).

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Alright. I still have to reread D1. I'll be back later after I do that.

I may not be online after said reread

Anything else you would like to ask before I head off for the night?

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That's all for now.

Your VCA plus previous reads on me(besides the townflail comment) have pointed to me-scum, but you're not voting me.

Any reason? The day just started, and not really close to a lynch, and we're not playing with a bunch of fools that would hammer out of the blue. Is there any reason you've decided against voting me, besides "I want to hear more from others" or "I'm not sure yet"?

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You are not paying attention.

We've made sufficient noise on that, enough so that Vett doesn't hammer out of the blue.

[Xayzeck]

that would hammer out of the blue

really though, do you think Vett would do this?

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Yeah sure because NM would totally hammer his scumbuddy when said scumbuddy could have voted me and I could have been hammered (i think i forget how high I was)

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what would be the motivation for me to nk majiffy

This is probably the worst thing we can discuss

but oh i dunno

i was a prominent D1 wagon

Majiffy was the only one voting me D1 end

and this i'm lynchbait

and a jiffy kill makes me look bad

and if Xayscum were a thing, idk, i'd kill someone on Oka's wagon probably?

[Xayzeck]

(also because you're getting townread + i'm getting scumread by most of the playerlist, though it kinda makes you look bad, you can just hide behind the noise of "omg xay is scum")

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this hyperawareness wrapped up in an OMGUS that hasn't even happened yet is weird. you are premeditating. why?

alos you don't know the whole mollie/majiffy dynamic

you asked me for why i think molliescum would kill jiffy

i just told you that

so what if it hasn't happened yet? it doesn't change the fact that it can, and molliescum wants it to happen. what's your point?

what's there to know about?

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and this feels pretty manipulative.

cos I mean that isn't what I am doing at all. I am trying to sort you out and you are reminding me of myself in too many heads but you keep putting forth this per-meditative case and it makes you look squiffy. you are looking positively spastic.

and you're looking scum

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This is true of everyone, kill only makes sense from Xay

oh do tell me why

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I asked you for what the motivation would be for moi to nk majiffy.

you are basically saying that it is so i can pin a lynch on you.

when it would have better served as scum!me to leave him alive cos he probs would have tried to lynch you. majiffy is a player I know PRETTY well.

Except how many people were on me dayend? There was very little support for my wagon end D1, unless Majiffy was going to substantiate his case, but that never happened.

I don't expect you to know our meta. but there are people in this game that do.

yay meta

the premeditated part comes where you start the day with this already planned out inside your head and were happy with the result. <---- this is where you look scummy to me cos it makes me wonder if you were anticipating a block or a doc protection. but I thought your late d1 posts were really fucking town.

So did a lot of other players iirc

which is why leaving jiffy alive wouldn't pull of a Xay lynch better than killing Jiffy

like I STILL lean town on you but i genuinely can't tell if this whole premeditation piece is genuinely scummy or not. cos you are accusing me of being scum for something that I haven't even done. and for the life of me it is hard to differentiate whether or not this is coming from derptown or derpscum.

oh wow townreading me i'm so honoured

you know that being off the oka wagon is bad for you

you know i look a lot worse than you, and the only reason i wasn't roped is because i got townread before deadline

you know that more people are convinced you are town than they are convinced i am

it isn't that hard for you to make me look bad, and you don't even have to get your hands dirty

once people develop the mindset of "scum didn't bus", it boils down to {xay, mollie}

with a jiffy kill, I look a lot worse.

and that's such a beautiful plan, because you don't even have to push me, everyone else will

NM and vett have already started, even.

also you are doing super weird thing where are accusing me of doing something that I did not actually do. like I have not accused you of being scum.

i am accusing you of something you haven't, and won't do

because that's the best thing scum can do

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to be honest, I thought NM was scum yesterday, until he dropped hammer on Oka. He could have just not hammered too. I don't think he would hammer just to ride towncred to lylo. it'd be more ideal to just lurk through deadline.

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The part that I quoted that you didn't quote

i mean

ONLY makes sense from me?

really

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You're spinning this as a frame job done to get you lynched when if scum wanted you lynched it would be better for them to just keep Majiffy alive, especially as he was far from a universal townread.

duh

why would i kill majiffy, when I should be more concerned about all the people who were on Oka's wagon

like you

who hammered oka

and probably isn't his buddy

why should I worry about jiffy, who never substantiated his read on me, and was not universally townread, and never got anyone to sheep him end D1

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If I were scum, the thing I should be most concerned about is this:

I look bad, mollie looks good, jiffy looks ehh

all the people on the wagon look pretty good

every one on the wagon has townpoints just for being on the wagon

while everyone off the wagon has scumpoints

sure yeah I'll kill someone off wagon and go 1v1 with mollie, who's gotten a bunch of townreads, and play all of it off as molliescum framing me

and when she gets lynched and flips town, nobody will ever suspect me as their next wagon

--

yeah, okay?

[Xayzeck]

Actually.

VOTE: not_mafia

mollie pls? maybe?

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also i'm not sure nm scum hammers his buddy when he doesn't have to

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Dodging will post and reply later

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okay. I am starting to not like xay here. NB4 HE SAYS "SEE! SEE! I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS I EVEN CALLED IT!" even tho he just said that id I were scum i would be townreading him like I was lololololol.

what i am not liking is how he is stretching the vca to fit his analysis when it is based on an assumption. I also just reread this day round and I lurve how he poopooed my meta case but self metaed?

I am still not sure about nm's wking of me but I still stand behind etl and vetty townreads. I have brian as gut town but I need more from him and when I say more I mean warmth. as town he will at least interact with me right now I am not able to really

feel

him. I know he is a low content poster but still

Idk what prompted you to post this, because between this post and your last post before this, I didn't post anything

Sup with the sudden change

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I know I'm going to get this lynch but I know he's scum

I know how that feels

[Xayzeck]

With that said, I still think Xay is scummy and I feel like he's trying to pin the weak case on Mollie.

Do you think I'm scummy because its a weak case? Or because it's mollie? Or are these 2 things unrelated?

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Woo L-1

[Xayzeck]

HEYYYY

LONG TIME NO SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Xayzeck]

vettrock is a doublevoter

but can only double vote when page count (day) is 20 or under...or something like that

[Xayzeck]

Claim? With no intent?

Yeah I could.

On mobile tho so may not be accurate

Claim:

Internal Affairs

Ability:

Internal Affairs Investigation
Visit some one every night and learn their alignment. Only can be used if town holds 70% (I think) of votes

[Xayzeck]

Besides mollie, who else do you think could be scum?

Idk

There could be 3 scum or an SK

Lets do mollie tho, and hope it's 7:2

[Xayzeck]

I'm kinda hoping it doesn't end with mollie, if not refgan replaced in for nothing and that makes me feel bad

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I didnt crumb anything btw

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I think its fairly obv I gultied mollie

[Xayzeck]

Guiltied?

[Xayzeck]

Why did you wait until now to announce this?

3:5 or 5:2:1

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Like seriously

It was fairly obv with my case I was matching behaviours to a read instead of the other way

[Xayzeck]

vca basically

i scumread you but with the hammer i thought unlikely you were buddy (but i trusted my read, so maybe 3:5 and you could risk it, or 6:2:1 and you were SK)

so i just looked off wagon

majiffy was a lame choice

and i can't check myself

so i checked mollie

and i got a guilty, so yeah

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also jiffy kill makes tons of sense to me, idk why it doesn't to the rest of ya'll

seriously

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anyway if it doesn't end with mollie, then i'll be damned

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Why was Majiffy a lame choice?

because he didn't do anything the whole day

besides scumread me and just...push back his substantiation

basically it was him or mollie, and mollie was def better. i didn't put a lot of analysis into that, as long as it was off wagon it was good enough for me

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That wasn't an invitation for you to claim. More of me telling Regfan that I found a hammer unlikely without one.

Why didn't you crumb anything? You claimed a role, but no night actions.

Why didn't I crumb? idk, I usually forget about these things until after I make a few posts, and just figure it's too late for the crumb to mean anything.

Also, it's because of people like you with the "lol you claimed cop but you didn't say who you checked" when it's painfully obvious

because I let go of NM, which I could substantiate much better, to tunnel on mollie, which I didn't substantiate as well

even mollie pointed out like I planned to scumread her today, which I did

surely you could piece this together

and the fact that you didn't makes me very comfortable

and also why i didn't claim right out of the gate D2, in case there were SKs or third parties/more than 2 scum

[Xayzeck]

Why was Majiffy a lame choice?

i also don't know why you're continuing with these questions when you seem to have come to the conclusion that what I'm doing now is kinda stupid with Xay/Oka going on

[Xayzeck]

besides, if mollie flips town i'm dead, so enlighten me here, why are you so interested in why I checked mollie

[Xayzeck]

The role PM says I learn their alignment.

However I only got a guilty back.

[Xayzeck]

Right

I claimed Internal Affairs to be my role

But apparently it's California Proposition 11

but night ability is the same

[Xayzeck]

Stubborn part of me is clinging to the read, plus the role is powerful compared to the scum role that flipped.

no it's not?

it's basically a cop with a restriction

[Xayzeck]

or the fact that if i were a normal cop with no restriction

and mafia were just goons

then it's not exactly scumsided or townsided

because that's pretty balanced imo

[Xayzeck]

can we lynch my guilty please?

[Xayzeck]

let's secure this scumlynch

in case there are other PRs that ride on this 70% town to use your ability restriction

[Xayzeck]

No problem. Happy I got to get to N1 at least lol

Sorry ref

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Lol @ deadpt

Nah it wasnt a personal challenge thing, it was really in case 3 scum