Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[droog]

vote: Untrod Tripod

guys, you need to lynch me today.

I'm a town-aligned player

whose passive ability is that anyone who targets me has their wincon changed to Cult. The negative utility if town targets me is too high, and leaving me alive will raise too many questions come lategame. There's no way to get a cop to verify my alignment, since the cop will become a Cultist.

lynching me is the optimal day 1 play from my perspective.

wait wait wait wait wait hold up
any scum who kills you
automatically joins a different faction
and could out all his scumpartners?

that is too big a load to swallow
are you jester or serial killer?

[droog]

Wisdom's vote is a good one, but we really need to sort the UT thing out. UT can't be alive at night if he's telling the truth.

experience says
anyone who pushes an independent lynch
to show how pro-town they are
is likely scum

so fos on you or wisdom

[droog]

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if you win with only mafia or town, why didn't you push to lynch UT?

~Wis

you're pushing this instead of looking elsewhere
i think you're scum

VOTE: will of heaven

[droog]

Did I say any alignment

No I didn't

I said everyone yes because shorthand and too lazy to consider other possible options as I typed that out as soon as I got the role pm

As for why I claimed D1, I

stole

am using bork's idea he mentioned over skype once to claim early as survivor and just do nothing so niether side as incentive to want you dead

I think I'd like the challenge and you guys would let me get away with murder wis

pedit-

the latter

This is bullshit. You said everyone: if your role PM said mafia or town you would have said mafia or town.

yeah but its pretty clear we've got more than mafia and town

[droog]

Holy crap you guys are tricked by UT's gambit as scum...

VOTE: ut

?
tricked by a gambit that says 'vote for me'
that people are voting for?

[droog]

like broseidon's entrance

[droog]

Numbers are assumptions I got from gut. Mafia's a game of numbers at heart, it's just a matter of understanding them and being able to quantify them externally.

I like that bulba pulled off of AA9; it shows that he's not necessarily gunning for a lynch for the sake of a lynch. I also like how his early focus was everywhere; it indicates that he doesn't really have an agenda and is trying to be responsive to what he's seeing in the thread (rather than having an agenda and twisting it to what he wants to make happen)

great post
i agree

[droog]

Normally scum are immune to cult. Are you scum Droog?

i am calling bullshit on something ut said
not on sometihng i made up in my head

why
do you know something about scum i dont

[droog]

Instead of looking elsewhere?
Are you reading our posts at all?

where else did you push nacho

[droog]

yes

[droog]

twoh
your first two with bulba were you challenging him
then you declare a scumread

[droog]

'i disagree with you'
'i disagree with you'
'i also think youre scum'

thats not a push

the fact that you disagree with someone can have nothing to do with a read
now, if you had explained why you disagreeing with bulba
meant he was scum
when you presented that read

then it's a push.

[droog]

hey droog lets talk!

peace be with thou mollie
bout what

[droog]

a decent chance he might be scum too.

come again?

[droog]

the will of heaven has successfully
fooled every player into thinking he's town
im the only one smart enough to see through his trap

thou could be the second

[droog]

Holy crap thou guys are tricked by UT's gambit as scum...

VOTE: ut

'ITS A TRAP'

thou realize the majority agrees with thou right

I am 67% sure that ut is scum at this point .

Also @ut if thou were scum then I would say that was a good gambit. I remember doing something similar before.

ITS A TRAP

Ut is more prob scum using the fact that thou will not lynch him because of the wifom factor...

ITS A TRAP

Thou see the thing is if he survives day 1 he survives all game long

ITS A TRAP

Thou see the thing is if he survives day 1 he survives all game long

I don't think so

None will target him.

People prefer lynching scum. And after letting him go day 1 interest in him becomes lower.

Why would thou lynch him later on?

ITS A TRAP

[droog]

if anything zzzx

its weird that thou spent all day calling him scum
and are now saying 'decent chance of scum'

care to explain why thy doomsday predictions
now have the tone of a weather forecast

[droog]

ok i like thy response i think thou're town zzzx

thy logic still makes no sense
the town thou are saying is falling for ut's trick
is currently voting him into the stratosphere

[droog]

i nominate you

[droog]

zzzx we were in 414 together

[droog]

zzzx we were in 414 together

Thou explains art.
For I shalt be hither

my word replacer edits the posts i make?
well excrement

[droog]

wouldnt a scum redirector become cult?

[droog]

attacking someone while he's catching up is excrementty and scummy

[droog]

i can see why broseidon doesnt like shos
but i dont see it as scummy yet
keeping him as null

everyone else is the same

[droog]

nay
scumread him. plez

only if you ask politely

[droog]

who is in your hood

[droog]

huh

[droog]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia do a ctrl-f for 'goo'

[droog]

meh

i know everyone wants a survivor lynch
id rather lynch someone that will tell us something

VOTE: twos

for reasons previously stated
though major and death note are overplaying the
'look at how pro-town my lynch is guys'
card too

[droog]

droog, what dost thou think of Good sir, and what d thou think of dram?

i think bro is town
i liked his entrance
and see his reads (like scum shos)
coming from town mindsets
didnt i say this already? what do you want me to add

dram left 0 impression on me
i forgot he was playing until you asked
and he posted on this page

[droog]

'i disagree with thou'
'i disagree with thou'
'i also think youre scum'

thats not a push

the fact that thou disagree with someone canst have nothing to dost with a read
now, if thou had explained wherefore thou disagreeing with bulba
meant he was scum
when thou presented that read

then 'tis a push.

Thou could have a point if the only people we addressed or commented on was Skitty.
Thou dost not have a point when thou'rt accusing us of making only one fully fleshed out push in less than a day of game time.

thou mean this? barely counts as a response
thou said thou were pushing x
i say thou'rt not
'O! but that's too high a standard 'tis day 1!'

[droog]

mollie's post canst be town for now
big long posts and all that

[droog]

I point out we have multiple suspects and have pushed reasons for wherefore multiple suspects art scum.
Thou say "O!, that's not a push its only a push when thou provide a case in thread!"
I point out its dumb as Hades to push us for only making a case on one person when the thread hath been open for 15 hours. Not one game day, 15 hours. Thou sure as Hades haven't managed to come up with a push on more than one person in triple the amount of time: wherefore should we be held to that standard?

you voted skitty and ut
these were your two big 'pushes'
especilaly in the time that i originally described

[droog]

ne'er mind
thy only vote hath been on the survivor claim

mind i already went over wherefore thy 'ut' bits were not a push
bulbazak i'll give thou
dost not remember thou saying anything about ggg

[droog]

Hey Wis, just curious

Say by some miracle I'm verily a survivor

who is scum on my wagon

If GGG is on thy wagon, him.

~Wis

Instead of looking elsewhere?
Art thou reading our posts at all?

where else did thou push nacho

Bulbazak, GGG. Would thou like me to quote those pushes?

what, this?
this is something thou'rt counting as something i needed t ohave remembered?

[droog]

Wisdom's vote is a good one, but we really need to sort the UT thing out. UT canst not be alive at night if he's telling the truth.

experience says

anyone who pushes an independent lynch
to show how pro-town they art
is likely scum

so fos on thou or wisdom

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Shall not get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think canst be touched or altered by that.

I canst not think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I canst not just win with anyone. I specifically canst

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they canst win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if thou win with only mafia or town, wherefore did not thou push to lynch UT?

~Wis

thou'rt pushing this instead of looking elsewhere
i think thou'rt scum

VOTE: shall of heaven

thou'rt getting awfully defensive about my divination of thy posts by post 90

[droog]

@twoh

thou just said thou'd expressed an opinion on ggg
am i not supposed to count those two posts?
or dost i count them?
because 'tis not much of an opinion etihre way

i'll give thou thy point on skitty
but from mpov if thou'rt scum it doesnt matter to thou if he's 3rd or not
and i have seen nay great evidence on thy skitty push that thou art thinking about this like town

[droog]

@twoh

thou just said thou'd expressed an opinion on ggg
am i not supposed to count those two posts?
or dost i count them?
because 'tis not much of an opinion etihre way

i'll give thou thy point on skitty
but from mpov if thou'rt scum it doesnt matter to thou if he's 3rd or not
and i have seen nay great evidence on thy skitty push that thou art thinking about this like town

What's with thou thous and dosts. They weren't present in thy early post and art now.

???

[droog]

you need to coach the tykes

[droog]

townreading kagami's entrance
winter's ok too

[droog]

you guys have made 20 pages since i last looked holy cow

[droog]

boy i guess its time i start posting in here huh

[droog]

"i wonder if skitty is still a big wagon" i say to myself
"huh something named td has a big wagon i wonder why"
isnt it great when a player's iso answers your own question?

VOTE: skitty This claim is a scum claim, I am not impress.

Well sure, but skitty isn't a survivor.

everything about td wanting to lynch skitty is awful
((without overdoing it, this really fits scum liking independent lynches))
just look at how certain td is

@adorkable. The spam posting is terrible, the vote on me is terrible, and our original interaction was terrible, though to be fair I was only reading him as scum for the middle bit originally.

@Mentalsomnic, you sir, may take your “lack of reason” and shove it up your ass. I think the claim is fake, I think skitties posting since then has been fake, I’m not buying this reaction test BS. This is a caught scum trying to backpeddle, hard, and it needs lynched.

@Everyone,

I'd have loved to see an arc angel lynch, but no one but me can see that,

and I see the way the wind is turning. Johou threatened his scary fakedayvig, ya'll got cold feet, and now nachodisdumb has provided an alternative wagon for you to sheep on. Congratu-fuckin-lations. I'm going to eat this "bullet" now so that you idiots can get back to lynching actual scum if you're capable of remembering that's what skitty is.

VOTE: skitty

the only post of any substance in the whole iso
man is the bolded ever true?
last i chkced everyone aws all over aa8 as likely scum

So, just for reference, when skitty flips scum we are speedlynching johou for that BS fake dayvig, right?

i have no idea what happend but
this is exactlyt he kind of cagey poking and prodding scum love

[droog]

i think one of will of heaven / southern belles / somnic is scum
i dont think its somnic
but sometihng about the way they roll over each other in every conversation
and post more than just about everyone else combined

it's very implausible scum's not intercepting taht

[droog]

*looks above*

twoh id like a reconciliation
mollie looks way scummier than you do

[droog]

still liking broseidon -- same reasons as before
like the goat -- i think his iso is full of town motivation
like ggg -- cant put my finger on why

dont like dramonic -- gut

[droog]

Jerk

?
i dont mean personally

I'm just going to harrumph if people continue to call me mollie even in a post that I mention mollie's name which means it's obviously not a mollie post. Now i know what it feels like when everyone else ever hydra's with me.

most of the suspicion on your slot
at least as i remember from 30 pages ago
was aboutmollie

not calling you mollie
((i did read your post))
im saying molie is the scummy thing about your slot

[droog]

and i am taking what you say with a grain of salt since you said I made the most sense in autumn serenade where you were scum. like no1 says that about me ever.

huh?
in autumn serenade i spent most of the game pushing reck
i had you as town and so did everyone else

[droog]

also you made a lot more sense in serenade than you are rn

[droog]

i would go twoh based on the first 10 pages
not sure about the last as i havent read them

[droog]

Calling someone scum doesn't make them. Its the same logic I am trying to explain. Just becuz your hydra thinks bulb town doesn't make him town. He give me no reason to believe to change my read. He is scum to me. Period.

?????/!!!/?????????///?????

[droog]

Will get to this tomorrow
We've dragged on too long
This game is in maintainable

I want to lynch one of the active players
I know how that sounds

We need a slower pace
Or no one
((Including me))
Will keep up

[droog]

VOTE: bulbazak[/b]

Useful vote
Nothing mire

Don't want a sorry lynch just yet
He's independent and that's not useful yet
((Unless there's a good case for why
His independent claim is really scum))

[droog]

VOTE: bulbazak

[droog]

would you join a bro wagon instead because like hell im gonna let you vote on bulba

at this stage i'll join whatever wagon
is closest to finishing

ived played in several big flavor games recently
they all go one way
lots of discussion
interest fizzles out
players sub out
replacements cant/wont read 100+ pages
remainder work themselves up into scumhunting frenzies
scum pulls out near-perfect wins

lets get a few lynches done with first
ffs were supposedly in bastard right

[droog]

i liked bro but ill lynch him if it gets us moving
i dont want a skitty lynch but ill lynch there
if it gets us moving

lets get a lynch in before crhistmas please
everyone's going to go inactive
when this game restarts
it will not be pretty for town

[droog]

Mental has 618 posts
What the fuck are we still doing talking

[droog]

how do you even begin to read an iso that size?
how do you even measure if its contributing or not?

618 posts is too much. that's 20% of the thread
no wonder no one's reading and following along

somnic and twos between them have 1000 posts
bells johou and bro add another 400 between them
20% of the game has 50% of the posts

this is not good long-term
everyone will get tired
no one will read
the active players will continue to post sweet nothings

[droog]

Spoiler:

have my thoughts on it but i am going to shhh

join my bloc

i accept you with open arms

<3

<3<3<3 mollie

I disagree about GGG. Please point to the things that indicate that he is scummy.

I'll respond to this, give me a moment

vote: Untrod Tripod

guys, you need to lynch me today.

I'm a town-aligned player

whose passive ability is that anyone who targets me has their wincon changed to Cult. The negative utility if town targets me is too high, and leaving me alive will raise too many questions come lategame. There's no way to get a cop to verify my alignment, since the cop will become a Cultist.

lynching me is the optimal day 1 play from my perspective.

So jester, or a the hilarious bastard jester where he isn't really a jester and just dies, or some kind of cult bomb where whoever lynches him becomes a cultist.

Or he's telling the truth.

THIS

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

To clarify you win with both scum and town victory conditions? Shouldn't we as town lynch you day one because if you live to Lylo you just will vote with the scum wagon to win.

VOTE: skitty

THIS

If you're wanting to lynch them because they claimed survivor, that's a policy lynch. If they have other actions (besides the claim) that makes you think scum, then by all means, enlighten us.

So if we choose not to lynch a claimed survivor who has committed to vote the largest wagon. We get to Lylo and the survivor votes the towniest person so the remaining scum jump on to win. How is this not be the outcome? And if this is the outcome how is it not better for us to lynch now.

This doesn't even consider the possibility of lying. Which does exist.

So can you explain how keeping this person alive benefits the town.

THIS

@Wisdom: He could be telling the truth, which is why we should lynch it and not leave the possibility of a cult open.

No, we shouldn't. Whoever believes him can just refrain from targetting him.

~Wis

This is a big game with dumb people in it. It's a far bigger risk to have potentially useful PRs converted away from my alignment.

Why did you say converted away from my alignment instead of converted away from town. The way you worded it sounds like you aren't town.

THIS

The way AA9 talked to me is not coming from a town place. She tried to placate me and then went with a fake question to UT to make it look like she was town scumhunting. Nothing about that exchange was natural and coming from a town mindset.

So if we choose not to lynch a claimed survivor who has committed to vote the largest wagon. We get to Lylo and the survivor votes the towniest person so the remaining scum jump on to win. How is this not be the outcome? And if this is the outcome how is it not better for us to lynch now.

Again, this is voting for policy reasons. If Skitty is a survivor, then her only goal is to stay alive, which means it doesn't matter who she votes. Personally, since survivors share the wincon, I have no problem with that and would instead make sure that she votes in our favor. If you think she's scum for the claim, then that's one thing. However, if you are trying to lynch her because she's a survivor, which it sounds like you are, then that is very scummy, since you are focusing on a useless wagon over a useful wagon on an anti-town role, or in lieu of actual scumhunting.

P-edit: @Major: I don't see the contradiction between the two roles.

I am saying lynch the survivor who wins with both factions as policy. At Lylo how will you ensure the survivor does not vote with scum.

THIS

You I'm just going to forget it being a scum claim and look at that wagon later. There's definitely scum jumping on the survivor claim.

P-edit: GGG, why aren't you voting Major then?

@Major: Not really.

Major only wins with one alignment. So he is still like any other player. We have to determine if he is scum or town aligned.

THIS

You thought you signed up for a large normal.
Called Capcom Crossover Chaos.
When the sample PM is Ryu the Bastard Mod.
And UT's claim was right above you.

Is there still anyone who believes Skitty is town or are we done here?

~Wis

I'm sold on skittles likely being scum now. The nice thing is worst case we lynch someone who would kill us in Lylo.

Skitty, can you specifically state what groups you win with if you survive?

THIS

yea ggg is playing like an overparanoid town role but its fake as heck
its that kind of dumb questioning scum do to feign content
me no likey

also i played with him as town b4 but that was one game so feel free to doubt the validity but there he was pushing reads in a style similar to mine aka quick and not the biggest amount of explanation and he was way more focused in his actions too

That's a bad meta read though as it was vengeful which essentially starts at Lylo. So if your going to push bad meta at least link it so others can evaluate it.

THIS

also soft claiming a role whose death affects the scum team relatively negatively but not too much that it is worth lynch me for.

also soft claiming a role whose death affects the scum team relatively negatively but not too much that it is worth lynch

me

for.

You as in. I didnt get this.

I am soft claiming a role which hurts mafia when killed/lynched

however the effect isnt really worth getting lynched for (its something small)

so me as in... me? I am not full claiming no role atm

So I don't get the town purpose of this claim.

All it does is prevent you from possibly being nightkilled. This increases the probability of other power roles getting nightkilled so hurts the town

Scum motivation is to imbed you as town.

Why not just be silent about it.

THIS

I don't like zzzx, his role claim is scummy. It boils down to Town don't lynch me because I have powers and scum don't night kill me because it's bad for you. Puts negative pressure against his lynch

THIS

Overall I think skitty or major is the right play today. Skitty has the higher probability of being a fake claim.

vote: skitty

THIS

To add we still should get rid of major as soon as possible but I like the day vig over lynch based on adorkables logic.

THIS

i will fucking dayvig the next person to vote Skitty

i am 100% fucking serious about this.

Why is skitty town pie?

read harder. ns's play this game has actually been pretty town. and i'd expect you would know this, if you stepped back and stopped pushing him for so much as 2 seconds.

i'm more interested in hearing about why you think they're scum since i'm skimming through your ISO and it's a bit hard to follow. the main reason i could find was the thing about "normal game", which i'm pretty sure was just him trolling the fuck out of the thread.

how about lynching BRO with me instead?

You are proposing that skitty fake claimed survivor as a townie to ????

THIS

Sonic/AA/Skitty This game is easy.

Jou, reads town, just super derpy.

TWOH is town.


Is shos usually this drunk-sounding?

This is the scummiest post ever made in the history of Mafiascum. Please lynch this one without second that. He is so flipping scum!!!!
VOTE: Tiphaine Death

AA9/Bulba/GGG/The Goat

There's your scumteam folks

Bulba - Scum
GGG - noob
Goat - Town
Me - Super duper looper tooper gooper fooper absolute amazing awesome TOWN!!!!!!


Jokes apart...

mental Somic are town
will of heaven are town
Belleas are town
Goat is town

Bulba is scum, All his tunneling instead of scum hunting, and pretending like he is defending skitty is the scummiest thing I have ever seen from him
TD, definite scum.
johu could be scum too
Brain could be scum too
zzzx claim was unneeded but could be anything
Winter is null for now
Bro may be town
Skitty, scum/derp/useless and horrible claim but not today's lynch.
And the remaining are null.

Arc how is your naked reads list any different than the post you call the scummiest ever?

THIS

Arc angels 554 is a scumclaim btw, in case nobody else noticed in the multitudes of posting.

VOTE: AA9

I have tiph as pretty null based on ISO.

There is an arrogance to his posting but it's playstyle rather than scummy.

AND THIS[/quote]

Not really, it just clutters the thread and makes people want to policy lynch the white noise.

policy lynch skitty or td

also you missed wischo on the list

if you had to give an opinion on arc
what would it be???

Somnic, you guys with me if I want to push some wagons for a couple of days?

give us a list

seriously if you literally have nothing to say but fuck you when we disagree with you then just stop posting

Om why are you lying?

Om why are you lying?

sssshh

hey
my read on bulba is just a legitimate

hey this is the second time arc has said "

Go fuck yourself

" at me for no reason

I don't like how sudden and completely in contrast with the rest of her post sequence

Arc isn't being nice at all - "fuck you" isn't nice.

Brian said he is catching up.

Lmfao

hey this is the second time arc has said "

Go fuck yourself

" at me for no reason

You need to dress up as a duck

Man I am too bored I will go do some sonic

im not taking nacho into account here
i cant even discern nacho's posts from wisdom's

this is just a small piece of the bullshit in thread
now somnic has produced more legitimate content than anyone else too

but does anyone see any benefit to continuing day 1 when its filled with stuff like this
hell 30 pages ago they were arguing about bulbazak
and here we are. still doing it.

how many players have already tuned out?

[droog]

sonic are you trying to make this game harder to read
do you want to post so much everyone tunes out

[droog]

i mean
i want to move away from bulba and get people on skitty or back onto ggg
actually yea lets go back to ggg right now i like this vote more than skitty
VOTE: GGG

Mental, can we lynch BRO please? It will lead to good things.

ok!

VOTE: BRO

VOTE: ggg

this is the best way to go

this should be done

no, actually no

wisdom and pie say skitty is town

but they are BAKA

so it is probably that they might have a skitty scum callnig them town

VOTE: skitty

espy sheep me
VOTE: GGG
this wagon needs to come back and it needs to be the wagon to finish the day

made within 36 hours
do you actually use your vote
and say things that mean things

or are you just flooding the therad with bullshit
so no one will be able to read it

merry christmas!

[droog]

you guys all wore him down from being such dumbfucks that he couldn't handle it and got paranoid about everyone

this is exactly why we need to end this phase already
half the game is not reading and not playing
and its not because we're in christmas
and kise hasnt done anything wrong that would reduce activity

now are you gonna use your vote or are you just gonna park it on a mislynch waiting to happen

like i said
i will vote whoever is leading

this is a bastard game
and we're on day 1

we dont even know what kind of scumhunting to do
its day 1 ffs no one is going to analyze half the crap int his thread later on
lets move o already

[droog]

But this town is getting into that

'let everybody talk' thing. That is going to make the thread big, and hard to read

for non-active people or people who can only check in once a day or so. That will actually weaken scumhunting and also fill the thread with meaningless commentary.

As scum, I am pretty content with this state of affairs.
I think

smart town would have already offered hammer intent

and asked for final thoughts at this stage.

Oh yeah, we re in full grind now and town is dropping from the game like flies because they can't handle the bed they made.

Better use all the time town!
Don't want to rush things town!

Fools all

So, yeah, we are in official grind now, now it's the endurance test on us, our job is to stay just active enough where it seems like we're trying - people will mistake that for town effort, and others will be lynched before us.

I am so happy people are stating awareness of the idea of the grind now.
Shock...just, shock.

Using all the time is anti-town.[/u

Using all the time *town needs* is pro-town.
They are quite different.

Hopefully I get some converts.

[droog]

today is the start of week 2 of day 1

[droog]

Dramonkc

Autocorrect
Skitty --> sorry

[droog]

get another wagon to lynching size
and ill jion skitty

[droog]

get another wagon to lynching size
and ill jion skitty

how about you make the fucking effort to get on a wagon which will actually flip scum instead of staying on a wagon that will flip fucking town 100% without having to wait for shifts in size
VOTE: Skitty

why should i{?

the arguments about scum/town
have devolved tino a mess that only the top 4-5 posting slots understand
why is bulba town? do you have a reason significant enough
when we're in day fucking one
that overrides our need to get a shit breathing lynch in

[droog]

holy fucking shit
you dont read anything at all

WE ARE FUCKING MASONS WITH BULBA

in a bastard game
this means significantly less thany ou think it does

but yeah ill admitting to not reading anything you say anymore
it doesnt take 650 posts in day 1
to decide whether to out your mason status or not

[droog]

lemme see if i understand

1) sonic spams
2) sonic claims this is a test to prove that we wont accept the truth if its spammed at us
3) sonic spams

[droog]

somnic has 671 posts rn
sonic 'alt slipping' has 31 posts

will of heaven, runner up, has 429 posts

i.e. sonic has 271 more posts than the next guy

[droog]

its well past time to end this day
this day has become impossible to read for mostp layers

a few players are chiefly responsible
one in particular.

[droog]

now vote bulba or skitty

[droog]

Activity is something I can change
Getting a lynch is something I can change

You want content?
Bro is probably town
Skitty needs to be lynched for his gambit / claim
Someone in somnco/belles/heaven is scum
You're pretty town looking
Ggg looks scummy for flaking
Arcangel disappeared too, she talks when town
Goat looks town for good question if and explaining
Who is Elric

Huh half of my reads are based on inactivity

[droog]

Activity is something I can change
Getting a lynch is something I can change

You want content?
Bro is probably town
Skitty needs to be lynched for his gambit / claim
Someone in somnco/belles/heaven is scum
You're pretty town looking
Ggg looks scummy for flaking
Arcangel disappeared too, she talks when town
Goat looks town for good question if and explaining
Who is Elric

Huh half of my reads are based on inactivity

How am I scummy for flaking? What does this even mean. It looks like you are trying to set up a justification to support your get on the biggest wagon plan.

because i see you posting in other games and not here
'biggest wagon plan'?
it is not a special plan to want to lynch already
what, do you think theres something we havent talked about

[droog]

A kitty's ahead
VOTE: skitty

[droog]

dammit dont go put your vote on a useful wagon

[droog]

Skitty bulba (and maybe ggg)) are the options we have
It is too late to organize something else

If you don't like our options
Fix it tomorrow

[droog]

what were all the claims?
i know bulba/somnic masons
wasnt there another survivor claim or a cop somewhere?

[droog]

wasnt there some nonsense
about someone crumbing cop?

[droog]

i like aa

[droog]

kise

can we get a round of prods please
there's at least a dozen people who havent posted in a while
and not all of them are dead

[droog]

i really dont have anything to add to any of thees discussions
i believe major minor's sub's claim and would not lynch the survivor
i would not be surprised if there were 100 survivors in this game tbh
otherwise carry on

[droog]

i really dont have an opinion on any of you anymore mollie
except that some of you are talking too much
i could latch onto that yesterday but its today
that cards played out

[droog]

im glad i didnt
restate my bro townread just then

[droog]

Soul Calibur - Town Universal Encryptor

?
did this take away scum daytalk

[droog]

shhhhhhhh
no one asked a clown like you : o )

[droog]

another day flip?
i really have nothing to add except looking through te iso

[droog]

I have my own reasons for suspecting GGG right now

, but wanted to see if you had anything more compelling. Currently I'm concerned that he's in the middle-ish range on postcount, but he seems fixated on the claimed survivors for all of that. Especially now that it's evident that we have a dayvig or daykilling role of some sort in the game, the obsession seems problematic and an easy way to avoid commenting on the rest of the game i.e. who could be scum (and therefore the bigger threat). To be fair, there are a couple posts of his that fall outside of that pattern, but they're not particularly compelling, either.

ZZZX is kind of the same deal

but with UT instead of the survivors. Also noting an unnecessary defense of shos here in 440 which sticks out as practically his only non UT-focused post of any content-worth whatsoever. Gut tells me he could just be town having a dumb moment though; the alternating between not really saying anything of value and then getting mad when people ignore him because he's not really saying anything of value makes me wonder if he just thinks he's contributing more than he is. Also, the claim. Just ... why? What malfunctioning configuration of neurons and synapses would make you think that was a good idea?

And

dram is rapidly creeping up into similar territory,

too.

alright, other half of adorkable is caught up. I put off doing shit yesterday, started catching up today and realized I skipped over p15ish to 20something and had to reread x_x

---

bulba had a p town response

in 329

Will o' H can be town

too, thought I was on to something but his response in 330 makes sense

also re:ns scum meta (552 553) - now that you mention it, he was like this in the other recent game I played with him - Forest Fire Mafia. he active lurked and coasted to endgame. WoH made a point of ns not being able to play a certain way with this playerlist or something? and I feel like that draw parallels to how he active lurked in Forest Fire since town!Malakittens townread him and he thought he could get away with it (and kinda did).

I'm kind of wanting to join this wagon but I'm not sure how much of that is his actual scum meta (think I've only played w/ him once otherwise) and how much of that is me just being bitter about that game, if I'm being honest. plus every time I use meta it seems to backfire - I think in Forest Fire ns was a townread and Mala was scum, based on my meta findings, so... :s

then again he's made like 4 posts so far this game after WoH drummed up a case against him (at the time of writing this), and none of them have really been scumhunt-y, so yeah.

gonna talk things out with my other head because they think Skitty should be dayvig'd and wants to look elsewhere. which is another point - this is a large but what if the dayvig only had one shot? plus with UT flipping Goo there's some chance of Skitty being cultscum.

speaking of my other head's opinions, I hope that explains 726, GGG. I posted the former post and once it was 100% confirmed we had a dayvig, the other head moved our vote onto you. they believe skitty can be dayvigged tomorrow and I'm starting to think we should take them out now in case something goes wrong. make sense?

if the dayvig has multiple shots it doesn't

really

matter. I like the idea of dayvigging all the anti-towns in theory but there's just SO MUCH that can go wrong with that in practice.

also, with

GGG's

730 (where he follows my logic of getting rid of claimed potential-anti-town roles and votes Skitty),

his 726 comes across as much less genuine

- going from "why switch from A to B" to voting A rubs me the wrong way.

I understand where WoH is coming from in 731 re:ZZZX but I'm not sure if I agree. I see town motivation for randomly claiming something like that even if it was incredibly stupid.

I'm not getting the Tiph!scum thing.

As much as I generally agree with the premise that withholding reads can be scum motivated, 830 looked more like townie bullheadedness; specifically, the "and if you disagree, you can be scum too!" sentiment contradicts what I'd expect from scum trying to lay low and comment on as few people as possible. It draws attention by being dramatic.

Basically, it reminds me of Reck's town game but with less carefree spewing of toxicity. Wouldn't mind seeing more posts from the slot to support or detract from that vibe, though.

Im following Goat with the skitty vote if no one will disclose the logic in thread. There is nothing posted now in thread that remotely explains skitty's claims. I read him as town so if the logic is sound to him i will follow

oh my god can we please kill this

he sees people are pushing against the skitty lynch (even if it's just nebulous meta reasons), and suddenly won't even take responsibility for his own vote now despite tunneling on skitty all day, instead trying to proxy to goat. This is scummy regardless, but especially if skitty flips town and GGG is somehow still alive we need to KILL THIS WITH FIRE.

also since the last time I commented on him and put the vote down it seemed like some of his posts were appeasing to us, i.e. 738 739 which additionally just sounds unnatural as hell and is

while he's still voting skitty

despite the words coming out of his fingertips. And 932 955 don't sit right with me, it looks like super-reaching

Still catching up from like 12340982930 pages ago but this needed to be said now because the post I quoted made me explode with lynch-hungry fervor and I'd been meaning to update my case on him anyway.

skimmed to catch up. mostly glazed over things. need to go back and reread. feeling lazy. bleh.

mostly popping in to say that

Tiphaine really feels like an easy target here

. also I don't see scum continuing to push Skitty at this point; I feel like if scum were going on the defense in response to being wagoned, they wouldn't continue to push a survivor wagon that

just

fell apart. seems dumb, not scum.

unvote

vote ArcAngel

dram bb ilu

but please stop doing the scummy things

you are giving me read whiplash

oh hell yes.

VOTE: DN

I wish you had used [ post ] [/ post] instead of making me dig those up, twoh

They're ... part of why

I think DN is scum,

actually. Softclaim is null, anyone and their brother can softclaim and get away with it, especially in a large bastard-mod game. To me it reads like he is freaking out before he even has a significant amount of pressure on him.

^ Posts like this are why I don't want to lynch GGG today.

VOTE: arcangel

re: 3110

Seriously? I am not going to argue with scum about why they're scum. I am never going to convince you to admit that you're scum. And besides, it's all right there in the iso.

If anyone who

isn't

aa9 wants to refute or discuss my reasoning on her, I welcome the discussion because at least that's actually potentially productive. Engaging with aa9 would just be an argument of "yes you are" "no I'm not" until one or both of us flips. And frankly we have enough of that going on with whether or not Bulba is scum.

TWOH: Are you implicating GGG? If GGG is scum, does that do anything to your scumread on bulba? What do you think of the GGG-Bulba interactions we've seen so far? I don't think they look like buddies based on a double-iso, but then I still think GGG is probtown.

People to not bomb - ooba, Goat, TD, Dram, Winter Skies, adorkable (duh), Southern Belles, TWOH, Bulba, DN (lol), Espeon, Bro, KBW
People okay to bomb - Elric Bros, P5, mental, AA9, droog, GGG

With heavy emphasis on Elric Bros and AA9.

I don't like how AA9 seemed so focused on us calling her scum (and everyone else really) and then disappeared once pressure went off her.

In case DN goes mental and decides

not

to bomb these two:

vote Elric Bros

This is a wagon or bomb that needs to happen.

If this is some "didn't bomb you LOL" gambit btw, you're getting punched.

And then we superlynch Elric.

Which is happening regrdless anyway.

[droog]

adorable on ggg feels faked actually
whenever anyone asks her opinion its
'this NEEDS TO DIE'
but whenever someone else suspects ggg its
'why? how does this affect your other reads? lets talk about yoru orther reads'

[droog]

it was all faked
but you know what imean

[droog]

said the cultist?

[droog]

if we're going on pagecount
why arent we lynching sonic and wisdom

im chiming in because
i literally dont understand any of the case on elrci at al

[droog]

serial killer
could you kill somnic tomorrow
so i can read a game that moves at a normal pace?
with love,
droog <3

[droog]

I think it's a fakeclaim Major Minor got for an SK.

lol what

do you know what fakeclaims are? they have to be town, not something else anti-town that town will want to lynch

I could totally see an SK getting a survivor fakeclaim in a bastard game.

woh has more sense
theres no freaking way a sk
would claim something fishy like survivor

[droog]

soooooooo much freaking crap in this iso

Spoiler:

de

athy is worrying me sort of bu

t I gor retarded about him in desp's new york game and don't wanna make that mistake again but that coaching post but reading he players independently is pretty weird. and the easy "lets lynch an indie!" is scummy cos you know who usually pushes indie lynches it is scum that is who. especially cos he isn't making any determination of their motivations. it seems lazy, easy and opportunistic.

I am not liking mental things.

i don't get the town read on ooba AT ALL cos i don't think he is that easy to sort and if ooba is town then it seems like they have inside knowledge of ooba's alignment cos i see no effort to sort out ooba who as scum is a sneaky little sneak who likes to sneak around like I am telling you I have seen him sneak past some really strong players he is really that good. if mental things flip scum I am thinking it is likely that ooba is town I think.

I AM HERE FOR YOU METAL!!!!1!

NO WAY NO HOW AM I LETTING YOU GUYZ GET LYNCHED IN THIS GAME!

heavens is town. can we try to work with them? I think arc is town.

bulba has gone mia and i am wondering why.

I am not sure about td. he is throwing around "these people are scumclaiming ARRRRGGGHH" and idgi.

thanks! I thought more votes were on td.

VOTE: td

we are not lynching nacho/wis.

my word is law in this.

hey
mollie
we dont have to lynch him
despite me wanting to
but getting him run up might be more gleaming on his alignment
i dont think its a good idea to be this confident on him
im getting really really bad vibes from the slot
and i have been all game

you can read nacho 100% from our interactions. and me for that matter.

is nacho ignoring mollie? scum
is mollie ignoring nacho's wagon but giving up a paltry resistance? scum

are we scum in this game? no. look at our interactions. ffs nacho even said in a game that you can discern his alignment through our interactions. he is hard defending me he does not do this as scum.

but there is more

can nacho read tammy? yes
can tammy read nacho? yes
is this even questionable? no

we have that slot as town.

All this talk of reading nacho as town and yet wis is scummy as all hell. Maybe they have two role pms.

mebbe you have a scum role pm cos it sure looks like you do!

Go for it. I need to die before I get investigated anyway.

plz investigate this

YES PLEASE VOTE: Tiphane

I read AA as probably town, but this is a horrible way to read her. (In Final Fantasy X I tried to get a scum her lynched and some people refused because a scum player wouldn't be as abrasive as she was being.)

death note is town.

This feels exactly like i did when fitted with a bomb vest in Tales of You.

So, not mafia but could be cult or alien or who knows.

were they culted by not elric?

basically
-townreads on wis and mental
-townreads on aa9
-scumreads on tdeath
-scum pushed 'theres definitely a cult guys'

going toc omparie with the last iso i did

[droog]

adork:

-townread wis
-scumread ggg
-scumread zzzx
-townread tdeath
pushed aa9
-scumread deathnote
-super scumread elric

[droog]

im not saying we dont have aliens or cults or whatever
but why havent we seen any evidece of them yet
ut's role hardly counts as cult evidence

and scum mollie pushed the idea that there was a cult hard

[droog]

i would join you key
if you could explain away the mason piece a bit better

[droog]

Seriously though. Droog is looking hella scummy today. The game isn't even going at that fast a pace any more and the only content being produced is attacking people for posting rate and not scumminess.

i was going ot say
'youre right im not interested in this game rn'
but i realized i spent a lot of time digging through scum isos
so. try again

[droog]

In addition, seemed to be rather confident that the kills were coming from the SK and then also tried to call the shot and be pleasant about it which leads me to believe he is very likely the cause of the other kills and not town in addition. It's like mediocre posting 101.

i dont really understand any of this
except you seem to be saying
'serial killer droog would be loud about there being a serial killer'

[droog]

so uh
did you just argue that
since im 'certain' theres a serial killer
((dont remember making that argument))
youre 'certain' im a serial kille0?

[droog]

where did i slip?

[droog]

extra quotation marks around 'slip'

[droog]

serial killer
could you kill somnic tomorrow
so i can read a game that moves at a normal pace?
with love,
droog <3

whats my 'slip'
"""""

[droog]

hey espeon
mind responding to my last post

[droog]

You asked the SK to shoot. What is difficult to see there?

what about it is a 'slip'

[droog]

im not very motivated
i am town though

[droog]

but look
you complained i wasnt participating
here i am trying to participate with you
dont complain that im doing it in response to you
you statred this in the first place

[droog]

Pedit: Then if you don't replace you are playing against the town win condition and should be modkilled if you are town unless you replace immediately. Get the fuck out of the game if you are town and being an apathetic shit.

im trying to fucking get involved
what more do you fucking want
admittedly yeah i dont have any good reads right now
thats waht im trying to fix by participating for a change

[droog]

You do not have a town PM. And if you do, you need to replace to be playing to your wincon at this point otherwise you are also a liar.

im laughing
because from my point of view you're wrong on both counts
so your philosophy is bunk
and if you lynched me youd just say
'oh i wasnt wrong he was wrong'

[droog]

but fine im going to assume by 'slip' you mean
'you addressed the serial killer directly
implying that you know there is a serial killer
implying that you're a serial killer'

which is laughable spelled out like that
maybe thats why you didnt spell it out like that?

but do you have any evidence that its not a serial killer?
scum was pushing the idea of a cult -- do you think we have a cult?
there have been day kills floating around -- do you think we have a town dayvig and a town vig?
there have been two kills every night -- do you think there's another faction?

just what the fuck is your explanation if its not a serial killer
just how the fuck is what i said a slip

[droog]

That's not all there is to. Which is is what was being discussed. If you had an interest in creating reads you would have done it far far earlier in the game. I even explained exactly how to do it to you and how to be a contributing member of this town and you didn't. I passed it off as not having the time but that is evidently not true.

for what its worth
though i really doubt you or anyone else cares
this game got super boring once it was the top 4-5 posters talking to themselves all the time
as if this was a social club and not a game of mafia

[droog]

I explained the psychology behind it.

and it was nonsense
for one
everyone noticed the extra deaths
its not like scum was dying by any other means

[droog]

ftr
i dont just agree with your psychology
because it implicates me
i think its a dumb idea totally
nothing personal

[droog]

in the interest of not doing exactly what i hate
and also getting some other reads
im dropping out of this conversation until someone else comments oni t

[droog]

for reasons completely related to [ongoing]
i have a town read on ggg

[droog]

Droog is scum, so is deathnote. Dram is probably town, so is espeo.VOTE: droog. Droog is the lynch today, executioner shoots KBW tonight.

where did you come from

[droog]

droog

a ctrl-f on your iso pulls 5 mentions of my name
one is the logout field
one is you calling me null on day 1
3 are this post
pls explain

[droog]

yeah like which parts you agree with him about
or what you have to say
or why you're sheeping when there's no rush

[droog]

do we even have solid proof
that there is a cult?

im not sold on that
considering that mollie and adork
both pushed 'there's a cult guys' hard
and that nothing related to cult
outside ut's purple good
has flipped at all

[droog]

i think it was to encourage us to form a cult
if you look at my day 1 i kept saying not to lynch ut
almost solely because i wanted ot visit ut and become a cultist
would've been cooler than being town

[droog]

i would have gotten a new win con

[droog]

im saving this for theory discussion post game
i dont want to argue with you anyways
im learning toward you being town

[droog]

im open to the idea of a cult
is there any proof for one?

[droog]

Bro have you ever claimed?
Not fishing only trying to piece something out

[droog]

I also did a quick reads list in the PT last night, and although it's probably not as accurate anymore and needs to be reviewed, I will give what I was thinking, as Ooba thought I should give it in the thread. My thoughts are a game with 4-5 mafia, 2 aliens, and 1 cult leader, which means that we still need to find 1-2 mafia, both aliens, and the cult leader. Tiph is definitely mafia, as is WS. Droog is probably alien. TWOH would be the cult leader if anything, because they've been cleared from being the other 2, and they're not playing as they would as town.

if i was alien
why would i have claimed to have wanted to target ut
and become cult

[droog]

oh didnt think of that

yeah i guess a survivor could actually investigate as town. they need buffs to survive and whatnot.

@bulba thoughts?

was it actually town and not just
'not scum'?
keyblade showing as 'town' seems very odd otherwise

[droog]

Droog/Deathnote, if we are in multiball of some sort then bulba/MS seems likely. Still would not be surprised to see ArcAngel scum of some variety.

droog was scumreading shos and mollie, he's most likely the sk/alien who shot them, doesn't make sense as mafia

bulba/ms are confirmed masons with ooba flip

what do you think about winter skies and ggg?

i was?
also is shos adorkable?

[droog]

pretty sure my mollie read
was a direct sheeping of you nacho
but i dont remember that was over 150 pages ago now

[droog]

Still want an answer to
"Why would I claim to want to target ut /mil"
If I'm a SK or alien
It's in my Iso you can see me trying to not lynch ut

[droog]

aliens don't exist as a faction, that's how

do you have a non-alien character?

i am not an alien or a serial killer
im really just a member of town
...if you believe that

[droog]

are you going to make this awkward

[droog]

No one asks me anything
Or responds to things I say that aren't defending myself
I won't argue I'm playing well
I'm not
But how does that make me scummy

Look another post defending myself
Because that's all I can do from your post
Except scumread it but I dont

[droog]

I don't believe espeon's pho claim
I think he's a good bet for SK/vig

I can see bro as scum
And accept your earlier read from day 1

You're a better bet for Shooting mollie and a dork
But I think you're town

Something is screwy with our cop resilts

[droog]

VOTE: droog

This is a quiet sheep
From someone who town read me before
And usually says much

[droog]

As far as guaranteeing that it's a flavor cop, I would like to request that tiphaine targets us tonight. I am 1000000% sure our role is alien, so getting an alien result here pretty much confirms the theory.

P-edit: I don't really feel that's a reasonable assumption. Zangief is human. Mech zangief is a robotic humanoid - closer to human than a wooden doll thing like mokujin.

And I of course know that my role is town and isn't human soooooo.

This is pretty ballsy
In normal games I'd town read
But in a bastard I suspect this is a trapezoid

[droog]

that's plausible as well

ms, do you have a non-alien character?

I almost want a mass flavor claim
My character isn't cap com afaik
I suspect it's a theme for certain characters

[droog]

@arc

1. The Goat - lyncher, has won
2. TiphaineDeath - alien cop (Not Alien on The Will of Heaven N1 and mental somnic N2)
4. dramonic - inventor (gave dayvig to DeathNote D2, gave rolecop to DeathNote D3)
5. PeregrineV - everyone is motivated (double action) the night after his death
7. Winter Skies (Brian Skies + RayFrost) - ???
8. mental somnic (Metal Sonic + Om of the Nom) - mason, got ooba's cop results that are Town on Keybladewielder N1 and Not Town on dramonic N2
9. ArcAngel9 - ???
15. droog - ???
16. GGG - ???
17. The Will of Heaven (Nachomamma8 + Wisdom) - ???
18. Bulbazak - mason
20. DeathNote - ???
21. Espeonage - pgo or something
22. BROseidon - ???
23. Keybladewielder - survivor

I don't like the mason/ ooba's results thing
Actually do we have any proof they're really masons
Could that be our cult/alien faction

Also we clearly don't have a dayvigged today
I think that was a useful reaction test
Wasn't my doing though do I didn't pay attention to it

[droog]

If espeon's is a pgo
This doesn't explain how belles died
Belles was bulletproof

[droog]

What good would "weakening town" do
If I was alien or SK is want to weaken scum
You know this argument is too hypothetical to be worth shit
I concede you have a reasonable point and move on

[droog]

now that i know that lp is death's alt
i want to townread lp
ive played town lp and something about them was similar

[droog]

if we have 3 shooting factions
why have there not been 3 deaths in one night ever?

[droog]

Btw I forgot to say, I've played against lostpatience as scum and I found he was quite the lynchbait. It just raises my belief he's been lynchbait here.

I agree with this

[droog]

What happened to peregrine?
He's won before as lurking scum
So I'd like to hear from him

[droog]

What's the worst that happens if we mislynch him

[droog]

Mind we don't even have to lynch him
I want to hear more from him
If you think he's town
Don't you too

[droog]

What happened to peregrine?
He's won before as lurking scum
So I'd like to hear from him

I don't seem to recall winning as lurking scum. Link please?

never mind
i confused final fantasy 10 mafia

[droog]

I missed the confirmed part
Explain that and I'm sold

[droog]

Somic's case looks pretty good
But it's not instant lynch like he promised
Very pleaded to actually have something worth reading
From that slot

[droog]

There is no correlation between MS/Bulba's being scum-mason(s) and WS being town though?

im really thick today
what does aa's question
have to do with twoh

[droog]

speaking of who
that slots needs to work out who's in charge

[droog]

i read WS as wis as TWOH
carry on dramonic

[droog]

I don't like the way he's just hedging on my wagon: "decent case but not convinced." While I think he could be SK, he could be Maf or other flavors of scum.

sonic literally said he had proof you were scum
he presented a case
a good case
but it wasnt prooy

what did you want me to say
"wow this case is 100% proof?"
that you're voting me
just looks like your own convenience
and not because you really believe it

[droog]

droog is conf anti-town.

'conf'
oh that word

[droog]

also winter
your vote for me came after pressure on you
not after discussion about me

convenient

[droog]

i have been pretty clear that
ive been playing an awtul game
and havent been reading so much

i have plenty of stances though

[droog]

MS has cherry picked and while I don't think that it makes a good case, I also don't really feel it's scum motivated.

But rather motivated by laziness or a sense of I found a scum so I can stop looking now.

i think this is the most true thing anyone
has ever said about sonic's style

this alone makes me want to townread you now
i'll take a look through your iso first

[droog]

thnks for hosting kise!
great setup