Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[TheAdrienC]

Hey guys. I got some catching up to do. Good to see Droog and farside here though!

[TheAdrienC]

I haven't caught up yet, but Nugget hopping from one wagon to another is something that makes me uncomfortable.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm gonna be V/LA til Saturday. Retail and all that.

Noted. ~insanity

[TheAdrienC]

I'll try to read posts on my phone during my V/LA to make sure I come back completely caught up.

[TheAdrienC]

Dear God you guys posted a lot. Okay, I'm back from the busiest few days of the year for the Best Buy employee and I just have a few things I wanted to post that probably has already been covered in the huge amount of posts within the past 48 hours before I go back to a less stressful shift.

First off: the three wagons that just jumped and disappeared, who started the three wagons, who were on all three, and why did everyone switch from one or the other? I'm thinking scum probably had something to do with the wagons, trying to see which mislynch they could stick.

[TheAdrienC]

Best Buy has been kicking my ass. One of the things I'm uneasy about and I posted this before my V/LA is Flubbernugget wagon hopping right before I left. It gave me a vibe of "I'm not gonna win this lynch with Amy so I'm just going to hop on the next vanity wagon". And what was his reasoning? Oh, I suck at mafia so I'm just going to sheep someone. And now that another vanity wagon started and I posted something about his wagon hopping, he's openly supporting the Siv wagon, but not actually wanting to be on it.

So my top scum read now gets my vote.

Vote: Flubbernugget

[TheAdrienC]

Can someone summarize the case on Siv in one post? Why is he at L-3? Why should we be lynching him and should the rest of us be joining that lynch or fighting it?

[TheAdrienC]

That's just how I see it. I didn't expect you to support it.

[TheAdrienC]

But why should I think you're seeing it from a town perspective.

I don't care if you see it coming from a town perspective or not. It's called scumhunting. I saw something that didn't sit right with me as a town thing for you to do and I'm calling you on it. Hence, you are my top scum read. I tend not to worry too much if someone I feel is scum agrees with me or thinks me suspecting them is coming from a town perspective.

Think about this, if you saw me jumping from wagon to wagon and saying I'm just abandoning this wagon on going to another under the guise, "I suck, I'm sheeping this guy", what would YOU be doing?

Oh and if calling something out like that which could be a scummy act on your part is something that isn't coming from a town perspective, then we really need to rethink how this game is played.

[TheAdrienC]

Unvote: Flubbernugget

I'll swing by Day 2 to see what's going on with Flubbernugget but something just caught my eye that I think needs to be addressed right now. We had a weak wagon get started on Alchemist once the Siv wagon stalled. Ane did a nice breakdown showing us that Mathdino was on all three of the major wagons before hand. Now he's part of the second biggest wagon on right now. I'm just getting a vibe that he's trying to mislynch whoever he can.

I'll give him one post to answer these questions in a manner that makes me feel better about him before officially moving my vote onto him. Because I'm fair and stuff.

1) What was your reasoning for voting for then removing your votes on all three of them?

2) Who were your top two or three scumreads during the time of each wagon, including the wagoned player?

3) Who are you scumreading right now (including your voted read, Alchemist)? You sidestepped when you were asked before. You mentioned scenarios making people go either way before, I'll accept an explanation of that if it still applies.

[TheAdrienC]

Actually, just missed Siv unvoting Alchemist but the wagon existed on the previous page.

[TheAdrienC]

Any chance you can still answer the questions? Hopping off because they got hot too fast answered one half of question one.

[TheAdrienC]

1. Amy I believe I gave sufficient reasons for voting for. Her wagon developed too quickly in quick succession. wgeurts was a meta tell and I wanted to see where voting him would take me. Took me to L-2, jumped off to regroup and look at the wagon behaviour. By 3rd, do you mean Flubber? Siveure? Flubber I voted for RVS weirdness, jumped off to vote Amy. Siveure I'm off because I think Alchemist is a better idea and I realised I was only sticking to Siveure's wagon because he prematurely claimed VT and thus isn't really a loss if he gets lynched. Alchemist is higher risk. But more reward, since Siv's been acting pretty townish since the wagon developed.

2. Uh, don't know? I can retroactively guess.
Amy: Probably Amy and Flubber.
wgeurts: Amy, Flubber, wgeurts.
Siveure: I don't even remember, this was when I started getting into groupy mode.
Read my ISO if you want to know. I'm too lazy to do so now.

3. Scumteam if Siveure's scum is probably him (which rules out dave and Alchemist and sorta Aneninen and sorta Flubber, yay), and probably people in {Venrob, Ankamius, Amy, Adrien, the Romitelli slot}. Dunno, don't have flip. I could go into more detail of that hypothetical if you want. If Siv's town, which I'm coming around to, Alchemist and Aneninen rocket to the top of my scumreads, not sure on whether they're scum together, will have to check that. Otherwise, would look at {Flubber, Amy, Ankamius}.
I don't like the top scumreads question when I've already shown you I have a slightly more nuanced view of the game. It's fine if someone's inactive or isn't giving any reads but honestly, again, read my posts.

Mostly responding to number 3: I think I got the gist of your scenario and understand what your point of view. What I'm wondering is you have this all planned out for Siv's flip, but you might not know what his flip will be now that the wagon on him is starting to disappear. What lynch do you think you can learn from other than his if we aren't lynching him? Because if I'm understanding how you're playing this game based on your last post, you are wanting to lynch you can connect the dots with. You're no longer voting the person you laid out your scenarios for so what now?

[TheAdrienC]

I mean, I know you're voting Alchemist, but what are you expecting from his flip in either direction?

[TheAdrienC]

I look forward to when you do get back to me on that. Though with you saying you were unsure of them being scum together. If Alchemist flips scum, where is Anen then and also if he flips town?

[TheAdrienC]

I'm not sure I understand the concept of drafting roles.

[TheAdrienC]

Probably because I usually replace in, I know nothing about how it works.

[TheAdrienC]

So that's five on Anen and four on Siv, right? Because I think we're close to deadline and we need to decide on a lynch soon.

[TheAdrienC]

You silly OCD people.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm more comfortable with Alchemist then the other two.

Vote: Alchemist

[TheAdrienC]

So that's five on Anen and four on Siv, right? Because I think we're close to deadline and we need to decide on a lynch soon.

Do you have a scum read on either one?

A weak one on Siv. That was more of a "I don't want a no lynch" post.

[TheAdrienC]

I screwed up the quote tags on that one. Anyway that can be fixed?

Fixed. You owe me chocolates now ~insanity

[TheAdrienC]

Is that a lynch?

[TheAdrienC]

I have a closing then opening shift the next 24 hours. I doubt I'll be posting until tomorrow afternoon.

[TheAdrienC]

Okay, I'm back. Why am I being voted for? I think I heard someone say something along the lines of my vote to end the last day phase, but I was trying to get some form of a lynch going before deadline. My ISO supports that.

[TheAdrienC]

A weak one. Not strong enough to advocate lynching him.

[TheAdrienC]

You're joking, right? Please tell me you are.

Vote: Venrob

[TheAdrienC]

Dude, you currently are posting fluff. There's 32 and a half pages of stuff for you to find SOMETHING to talk about.

[TheAdrienC]

Prod acknowledged. Working a lot. Off tomorrow so I'll post more tomorrow.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm still not sure I am feeling too strongly about droog and his fencing on Anem. I think it might have been a slip.

There was naked votes on me. What's the case on me? Is this all over the deadline push I did last day phase because I was more comfortable with one compromise lynch over another?

[TheAdrienC]

Dost thou knowth you called him scum then town then scum again and scum all along.

[TheAdrienC]

Looking at your ISO, exactly what are your recent contributions to the town? Jack shit.

Unvote
Vote: Formerfish

[TheAdrienC]

I'll put my vote back on him.

Vote: Venrob

[TheAdrienC]

What, I agreed with you.

[TheAdrienC]

I voted for him before you know. Whether I liked a lot of what you were doing before, I still did not like a lot of what he's been doing either.

[TheAdrienC]

EBWOP Whether or not

[TheAdrienC]

V/LA for at least the next week. Moving and going through a lot of stuff in my personal life.

Noted. Hope that everything is alright. ~insanity

[TheAdrienC]

Returning from V/LA. Got some catching up to do.

[TheAdrienC]

Flubber and Alchemist need to switch votes

Idk whats goin on there

I trust adrien to make a decision regardless

I think i use regardless more than a valley girl uses like

Like, regardless, totally consider...

It might be awhile before I make one. Basically it's between Ollie and Victor, right?

[TheAdrienC]

Forgive me, farside, but I have a LOT of catching up to do.

[TheAdrienC]

My vote there was prior to my V/LA.

Unvote

I'm close to a decision on Ollie/Victor.

[TheAdrienC]

Intent to hammer when I get home from work in three hours. /phone post

[TheAdrienC]

If I recall, he claimed something and Mathdino counterclaimed. Good enough for me.

Vote: Ollie

[TheAdrienC]

ollie the fact that your predecessor claimed my role
and i'm not a VT
pretty much seals the deal

i'm guessing you're switching from that tracker claim, lol

[TheAdrienC]

Farside wants reads. I'll give reads. I'm going to be doing all these from memory so I might forget someone or something.

Mathdino: He's been the most town player in this game so far. Looking back, I think I do see Alchemist clearing him.

Town

Anen: He's been fairly towny, asking the right questions, voting in an understandable manner, etc.

Probaby Town

Droog: He hasn't done anything that really makes me feel like he's town. But I've been scum with him before where we manipulated the living shit out of the town together. I don't see this is scum droog.

Null-lean town

Farside: Obsessed with me like she's a school girl and I'm (insert handsome actor). Though I haven't played the best game, so I can understand that, she's tunneling a bit and not ready to adjust her reads, but I've heard about town farside being stubborn as hell. Scum do tend to be a bit more opportunistic, and she has not been.

Null-leaning town

GC: I don't want to trust him. I dunno, just some vibe I'm getting from him, but I don't have any real solid evidence saying he's scum. My gut hates him, but my brain has no issues.

Null-lean scum

Flubbernugget: He was my first scum read in this game and I'm still not reading him very well. Go through my ISO and I pretty much broke down why I wasn't a fan of Flubber. I'm sticking by my guns. I told you I was keeping my eye on you, Flub. Also, that quick hammer after I posted intent and was waiting for information before actually hammering didn't rub me very well.

Weak scum read

Formerfish: Nothing really stands out to me either way with the fish. I sometimes forget (s)he's alive. I did get on to fish for not contributing so I'm not giving fish a free pass though.

Null

wguerts: I know a handful of people are scumreading him but I never really saw the reason myself of why people were going after him. Not to say I wouldn't hammer if he was at L-1, but I'm just not reading him as strongly.

Null

Ollie: The entire time I did my catch-up focusing on Vic and Ollie, the entire time I was thinking to myself "Damn, both of these are scummy." I was going to hammer Victor but Flubber beat me to it, but I would have done it if it was Ollie too. I don't remember thinking Ank was town either.

Fairly sure is scum

[TheAdrienC]

You didn't like the lynch? You hammered him! I'm very close to switching my vote to flubbernugget.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm torn between two scumreads voting for one another...

[TheAdrienC]

Unvote
Vote: Flubbernugget

I might put the vote back on Ollie, but this day needs to last longer. And while I feel like both are probably scum, I'm feel a bit more drawn to Flubber now.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm not opposed to going back to Ollie. I can go after Flubber another day.

[TheAdrienC]

I like votes I can't defend. They make me happy.

[TheAdrienC]

Well I said my reads haven't changed today but I just realized that after alchemist's flip dino makes no sense as scum from my pov, so I'm down a scum read and idk what to do

So tell me about this wagon you're on. How do you feel about it?

[TheAdrienC]

I know the guy (orcinus) is gungho on voting me, but it is a bit refreshing to hear a counterpoint on Ollie. Ollie isn't fighting his lynch very hard. I've offered an alternative to Ollie that I wish the rest of the town would at least consider.

[TheAdrienC]

You are offering the counterpoint that Ollie isn't really giving us.

[TheAdrienC]

Best Buy has been kicking my ass. One of the things I'm uneasy about and I posted this before my V/LA is Flubbernugget wagon hopping right before I left. It gave me a vibe of "I'm not gonna win this lynch with Amy so I'm just going to hop on the next vanity wagon". And what was his reasoning? Oh, I suck at mafia so I'm just going to sheep someone. And now that another vanity wagon started and I posted something about his wagon hopping, he's openly supporting the Siv wagon, but not actually wanting to be on it.

So my top scum read now gets my vote.

Vote: Flubbernugget

I touched that earlier with this.

I haven't caught up yet, but Nugget hopping from one wagon to another is something that makes me uncomfortable.

Flubbernugget: He was my first scum read in this game and I'm still not reading him very well. Go through my ISO and I pretty much broke down why I wasn't a fan of Flubber. I'm sticking by my guns. I told you I was keeping my eye on you, Flub. Also, that quick hammer after I posted intent and was waiting for information before actually hammering didn't rub me very well.

Weak scum read

Then you have him saying he didn't like the last lynch despite the fact he was the hammer. I'm currently asking him what he thinks about the Ollie wagon, which is important for my case.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm not saying I'm townreading Ollie. Trust me, he's my very next read and I am willing to lynch him if that's the direction we go for this phase. But I'm more sure Flubber is scum.

[TheAdrienC]

Someone should ask ollie why he thinks adrien/flubber are scum together.
you know since I when I ask I get shit responses.

I think you'd be the better person to ask tbh given that makes you confirmed scum in my eyes. Most scum teams need someone on the inside driving things while the Adrien & Flubberdubber types lurk in the shadows.

YOU, Adrien/Flubbernugget & Formerside.

Adrien & Flubbernugget, you don't deserve to win no matter what side you're on. Minimal contribution/hiding.

Oh yes, because we are TOTALLY on the same side after Mathdino has broken it down multiple times how we're not on the same side.

And as for that last bit, dude, that's a really freaking low blow. You want to talk about minimal contribution, at least I gave a list of all my reads. At least I gave an actual case on someone and pursued it. The reason I even unvoted you was to make sure this day phase lasted longer so that you won't be getting lynched without us getting a full day's worth of conversation and content to make sure that we can actually find out who the mafia is. So why don't you tell me what you have done that's actually contributing to the cause, Ollie, instead of just saying "Derpa derp, you're not helping"?

[TheAdrienC]

Someone should ask ollie why he thinks adrien/flubber are scum together.
you know since I when I ask I get shit responses.

I think you'd be the better person to ask tbh given that makes you confirmed scum in my eyes. Most scum teams need someone on the inside driving things while the Adrien & Flubberdubber types lurk in the shadows.

YOU, Adrien/Flubbernugget & Formerside.

Adrien & Flubbernugget, you don't deserve to win no matter what side you're on. Minimal contribution/hiding.

Oh yes, because we are TOTALLY on the same side after Mathdino has broken it down multiple times how we're not on the same side.

And as for that last bit, dude, that's a really freaking low blow. You want to talk about minimal contribution, at least I gave a list of all my reads. At least I gave an actual case on someone and pursued it. The reason I even unvoted you was to make sure this day phase lasted longer so that you won't be getting lynched without us getting a full day's worth of conversation and content to make sure that we can actually find out who the mafia is. So why don't you tell me what you have done that's actually contributing to the cause, Ollie, instead of just saying "Derpa derp, you're not helping"?

Derpa derp is actually quite a fun nickname for you, I'll stick with that, thanks Derpa derp. You gave a list once then lurked the rest of the time. That's like getting a BJ off your girlfriend once a year, just not good enough is it. Well done for unvoting me, do you want a medal? I guess you have to look like you actually care. What you've pursued is a vote not on me so no one can say you've lynched a townie like you showed intent to do last time. Considering I've been on the back foot the whole time I've done more than you Mr shadow lurker. You're an absolute passenger just like flubberdubber.

I work at Best Buy and was swamped with work for the holidays during that timeframe, hence the v/la. I wasn't lurking, I was inactive. There is a difference. And I asked you to tell me your contributions, not talk more about me. You're the one at L-2. Not me.

[TheAdrienC]

I read anem post: view is he's town and I see paraniod and thinking things that are a bit crazy in my view, but I enjoyed the ride.

I don't even see any ration reason from Ollie.
Seriously his scum reads are mostly just yelling at people and calling them scum.
That's the extent of his scum reads.
Some is copy/paste of things said by others.

We've disagreed a lot this game, farside, but finally we see eye to eye. Ollie has one more post to impress me or I'm putting my vote back on him.

[TheAdrienC]

Vote: Ollie

I've had enough of this. That's L-1

[TheAdrienC]

Aww, nice to see my top scumread is attacking me.

Vote: Flubbernugget

I don't know how many times I have to give my case on him.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm about to head on to work. When I get off work tonight or on my day off tomorrow, I'll have a post breaking down why I believe Flubbernugget is the way to go.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm contemplating replacing out. I'll let you know what I decide.

[TheAdrienC]

Update: I'm going to go ahead and try to finish this game.

Hooray! ~insanity

[TheAdrienC]

You know what someone who is self-aware of their meta makes me feel about their meta? It can be faked.

[TheAdrienC]

I mean you're not convincing me with your meta that you're aware of. In fact, it makes my read on you actually worsen. So yes, it is relevant.

[TheAdrienC]

I mean, think about it. Imagine if I were to start giving examples of similarities between this game and a town game of mine and start to use that as my defense and saying it makes me town. How would you feel about it?

P-edit: I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

[TheAdrienC]

Nice late game naked vote.

[TheAdrienC]

Dude, you just out of the blue voted for me without even talking about me as a read of yours. While not explaining the vote. But go ahead and ruin the spirit of the game by telling me that polite post above me. Thanks. After considering leaving this game over me struggling with depression and a lot of real life issues, as I mentioned before, it's nice for someone to go ahead and show that much tact.

[TheAdrienC]

There's a difference between voting for me because you think I'm scum and being extremely mean about it. The stfu was really uncalled for.

[TheAdrienC]

By the way, you've never voted me or read me at all. Just went through your ISO.

Vote: FormerFish

[TheAdrienC]

Go ahead and lynch me then. I probably need an extended break from mafia anyway.

[TheAdrienC]

Wait, wut?

[TheAdrienC]

I think so...

[TheAdrienC]

Vote: farside

Does this need explaining?

[TheAdrienC]

Well that was quick...

[TheAdrienC]

Of course I'm in LyLo with the guy I've been pegging as scum. Why wouldn't I?

Either one of you skilled at going through the flipped scum's posts?

[TheAdrienC]

Basically means that the voter or the votee is the scum.

[TheAdrienC]

Dude, it's LyLo! I'm being more careful than that. Are you completely saying there is a zero percent chance that Orcinus is scum? Because only one of us know who is who for sure and if it's you, that's something I will happy for you to share.

[TheAdrienC]

Personally, I'm leaning towards you versus him. How about you prove I'm scum?

[TheAdrienC]

Wow. You are really arrogant. Really arrogant. I mean, you bust into this extremely delicate stage of the game where one false move and the town is done for with the biggest ego I have ever seen in this game. You expect us to bow to your every will like you're some sort of confirmed townie and that we are supposed to do as you say. Well that's not how this works. The only way the town will win is if the two town members are able to actually work together to figure out who the odd man out is. If you're incapable of doing that, then you should never be allowed to live to LyLo.

But don't think for just one second that you can bully me, Flubber. Don't think for just one second I'm going to let you cause us to let you cost the town the game. Your actions so far this phase have screamed anti-town. So why don't you start presenting a case? Why don't you explain to Orc why he should trust you LIKE HE ASKED IN POST 1667 at the very least? You know...the post you ignored despite posting three posts since then? How about you do something useful to help us figure out who the scum is by actually doing something productive, like when I suggested someone analyze the interactions the flipped scum had with the three of us? It might actually be a bit more useful than trying to intimidate me because frankly, that move is very overplayed and it's not going to work.

[TheAdrienC]

Wow. hammered in my sleep...

[TheAdrienC]

Thanks for the game, insanity. Thanks for the fun game, both townies and scumbuddies. I'm sorry that my head wasn't in the right place and as I stated before, I'm going to be gone for awhile for RL stuff. Have fun, guys.