Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

[White Narcissus]

I highly doubt lufan is going to flip town at this point, I didn't like the way Wis was pushing the PT thing (as i mentioned to him, it could also be neighbors or masons), but I agreed because of the lurking, the reads and the beetlejuicing, this was cemented with him deciding to "just have fun" by self-voting and trolling until lynch instead of fighting off his lynch and/or scumhunting.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

i totes would have believed "Mayu, 1-shot give beads, they lower your darkness by 20%"

Wouldn't that be yuka?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

No rather Yuka gave beads.
Tho in the game there wasn't any way to reduce the ammount of Darkening.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also i am kinda interested in what Ankamius thinks of lufan's claim.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also, in skimming the thread, I can already see a few Lufan slips... About his knowledge, being a noobie, and overall him sacrificing himself for a lynch... Which I'm not entirely understanding. If anything, I think a lufan PL soon my be beneficial for all of our darkness levels... And if Lufans PR is remotely truthful, then it may be likely a scum role.

What, i'm trying to understand what you're going with here, but i don't understand. Also what do you mean with the last part?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

since we were both lurkers

Why did you consciously lurk?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Actually i'm starting to get cold feet about lufan :/
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

pedit why?

I don't know, it's a gut feeling
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

>I also said that his PR claim, seemed to more likely be scum to me. It just didn't sound very realistic for town to be able to lower their darkness if they decided to lynch their own alignment person.

Huh, he never stated votes on him would lower people's darkening, he stated that targeting him would, i assumed that'd be night actions
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

tbh i also got cold feet, but not due to anything lufan has posted. Due to 803 - it seems like Zelink knows lufan is flipping town and is setting up a discredit on me so that people dont listen to me and lynch him (I'm one of the very few people who think he is scum)

Regardless, with all those votes on lufan it would be stupid to lynch anyone else now because of the darkening mechanic, so it's him we're lynching.

Just don't fucking let zelink live tomorrow, especially if lufan is town.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also i am kinda interested in what Ankamius thinks of lufan's claim.
~Sakura

I think it's non-indicative. It can easily be a scum ability that is there to 'look' town or a scum fakeclaim that can be imitated by what they have.

So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you remember sephibro's role in Higurashi.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Nooo... How'd I get so voted by following instructions? lol....

What
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Ok nevermind im not getting cold feet anymore
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I do. How is it relevant, exactly?

Eh i've been comparing Higurashi roles with here since it has a similar mechanic, since his role was similar to lufan's (or at least his passive), I was wondering if you thought it'd be possible for him to have that kind of role here
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'd be pretty disappointed in pieguy if there wasn't

some

kind of way for the players to alter darkness level by themselves, especially since it's more severe in this case with it passively going up.

Ah alright, thanks, that was part of the doubt i had
~Sakura
PEdit: lol scum confirmed.

[White Narcissus]

guys zelink tomorrow if we are not around. Please. Regardless of lufan's alignment.

Shadowcat is also scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also one thing i discussed with Wis, it's possible scum can't reach enough darkening to kill someone in a single night without Sachiko, it is a possibility i thought while talking with Wis, which is one of the reasons that we'd think scum would want to protect her.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Thanks, I'll try it.

What were you even expecting
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Hell yeah!!! I really must stop doubting really strong gut feelings about situations, looks like I'm actually right occasionally

One dead already? So scum do have the ability to increase darkness enough to kill in one night?

My theory of Sachiko allowing this to be possible is increasing more and more
I'd also like a flavor claim from Nachodra.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So Zelink, are you ever going to tell us what's the mistery behind your reads and what's your connection with Nachodra?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also i was thinking that mass flavor claim wouldn't be a bad idea at this point, but i wanna know everyone else's opinion on it.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

No but your reads can give us serious hints if you're scum, or gives us info if you're town. So i still don't see the reason for the hold up unless you're scum.
That being said, if you're scum you probably already talked with your team mates about faking them anyway.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Which makes me even more wary about how you wanted to talk with Nachodra first before giving reads, and also them not wanting you to give your reads
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So Mika, do you have any updated thoughts on the game?
~Sakura
PEdit: That's not a reason to hide your OTHER reads from the REST you know.

[White Narcissus]

It also fits the theme of the game

Not enough blood / multilation / ripped body parts
Also i should go to sleep instead of acting on my own, i really need to start talking with Wis wrt reads because there are some we are complete opposites on atm.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

One last thing tho You say:

It has to do with my lack of town read on Loki and my constant attempts at having a conversation with him to properly sort him.

You're still confusing exactly what was going on and why I might not have wanted to give Loki a roadmap.

If that is true then:

Loki probably already knows, which is why he didn't particularly care I was keeping my reads close to my chest. Or if he didn't yesterday, he should be able to tell what I've been doing from my first post today.

Doesn't that tell you that whatever result you're going to get isn't going to be what you want because he "probably" knows what you're doing?
Also the way you've been treating him doesnt sound like someone you don't know the alignment of, and even less someone you're scumreading...
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

hai

Like Mika, lufan flipping scum has me much less confident on zelink being scum. I was convinced lufan was flipping town with Zelink having WK'd him that bad.

I disagree that Zelink's interactions with Nacho mean they are both scum or whatever. If Zelink truly wanted to wait for Nacho to tell him what to do, it wouldn't be so open and blatant - "I won't give reads until I talk with Loki". Sakura seems to not like Nacho much, but I still feel I've mostly seen town-Nacho this game.

The one I still think is scum is Shadowcat. Her Zymf push was terrible, her hop on lufan felt like bussing.

I also have no idea why scum killed Taly of all people.

@Mika, Ank is town. You were weird in expressing yourself talking about policy and stuff so you made him suspicious, that's all.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Still feel confident with this townpile: {Ankamius, notscience, White Narcissus, Zymf, Mikazuki, Witness Protection}

Skold, ZZZX and Gaiden really have to post more. Currently I think it's Shadowcat and one of those three.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

How do you feel about Shadowcat?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

What's terrible about her Zymf push is the fixation on the "leader" thing. I felt she wanted to push it as a scumslip type of thing without outright stating so. It striked me as a "I found a pushable thing" moment.

Nacho has mostly felt like town-Nacho and I liked his Gaiden and Shadowcat pushes.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also this

I have mild scum reads on Zel, and Thor and Loki.

She never explained these reads or tried to further explore them, despite me asking her to.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Well, other than Mala's 756, which feels more like OMGUS than read exploration.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I disagree, because if someone experienced was guiding him through daytalk, he would have made him vote the whole playerlist before selfhammering.

But share why you think it was Loki who guided him anyway?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

If only this cryptic bullshit would end and you would be open with your thoughts, we would all be much happier.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Interactions D1 felt weird, awkward and forced. Like scum trying to hide a secret. Also asking notscience what his darkness level felt off too.

This is too shallow. Zelink does not hide the fact he's being cryptic for his own reasons, so scumreading him for that feels fake.

What's wrong about asking for darkness levels?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

They feel like their playing to their scum meta.

Waiting for elaboration on this. I want specific posts and why they indicate scum Nacho over town Nacho.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Ank, Mika: The problem here is you define policy lynch differently. Mika, explain to him what you mean by policy so this can end.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

My definition is the one in the wiki

Most commonly, it describes the lynch of a player

who is not found to be particularly scummy

,

Ummm

I agree with the newbie player thing, that was why I was so reluctant to say I was scum reading him despite being quite convinced that the PT thing was exactly what it looked like.

As for the reasoning being bad, the PT thing was enough to make me think that he was likely to flip scum

. I mentioned before that he actually said that he was 'sent' there (which everyone ignored) which didn't make sense as a bad word choice, it was an outright slip.

Ummm
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Maybe im just seeing things im hoping Wisdom can clarify to me about his read on you, because atm i have a lot of scumreads.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I don't even remember who Alina is, but i'm interested in this line of questioning, I suspect however that Mika's probably a shiny object since Wis has a townread there
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

My definition is the one in the wiki

No, it's not. The wiki definition (and the proper definition that I suppose Ank has in mind too) is a lynch of a player who plays badly and will be harmful to keep around

regardless of alignment

. In simpler terms, it's a "We don't like you, we don't care if you are scum, bye bye" lynch.

This was obviously not the case with lufan. Lufan was scummy and was caught in a situation that indicated scum. Absolutely nothing to do with policy.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

He ignored the slip of whoever we lynched D1 and tried pushing us instead.

No, he didnt? He just didnt consider it a slip but he wasnt against lynching lufan - he was on the wagon. I can even see why he would want to lynch you - if the slip didn't exist, you are who I would be voting too.

How is this indicative of scum-Nacho?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Trust me there's no way you'd get a wagon on me, nevermind a lynch on me.

~M

I hate it when people say things like this, specially when they are being suspected
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Trust me there's no way you'd get a wagon on me, nevermind a lynch on me.

~M

trust me, it's going to happen today

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Nacho's town, good to know.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh I learned it from Cabd~

So I take it you learned how to play scum then?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Nope! I'm still really shitty as both alignments, but I been steering as a better scum player lately ^^

~M

Oh, i'm just saying, that's what cabd says when he's scum and being suspected!, but good to know that you're learning his scum tactics and becoming a better scum player then!
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

we should totes wagon someone

I vote we start here

Flower Power: Shadowcat

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

of course you will, Mala, Sakura is easier to handle than me after all. Too bad she suspects you as much as I do

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

when you clearly know you are wrong

give me a reason to think im wrong then

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

No she's the levelheaded one of the two of you.

Really now, me = level headed?
Either you forgot all about me or you're making shit up at this point.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I don't tunnel endlessly nowadays. Make me think you are town and I will change my mind. Your posts still continue having zero towniness in them. Your pushes have all been bad.

Do you personally feel like you've done things this game? Like people should be townreading you?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I want to see you as town, but i can't, your hydra partner got asked a gazillion times to explain her scumreads on Nachodra and Zelink and never did, You only explain those now but it's based on the way Nacho behaved wrt lufan, which happened way after your hydra partner expressed a scumread on Nachodra.

His pushes. He ignored the slip of whoever we lynched D1 and tried pushing us instead.

The slip was the weakest argument imo, i also had a scumread on your slot at the time (And still do), so why shouldn't nacho have had one?

OK. I'm Mayu, and if you target me, you lose 20% darkness. That's all the role is.

Everyone that targets you? That seems too over-powered to be true.

Vote: lufan

~ H

And your vote on lufan only seems related to your hydra partner not liking the claim.
If any busing was happening it's more likely to be from you.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

But praytell what push other than Nacho and Zel have been bad? You just think they are bad because you disagree with them.

Zymf, like I've said. Mind you, when I talk about you I mean you AND Huntress. My scumread on you is mostly based on Huntress's actions.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

step the fuck back wisdom

reset, get out of your tunnel and relook at it again

look at what, Mala? Have you done something town I should be looking at? That's what I'm asking you and I am getting no response.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I disagreed with that in our PT b/c I went to the same conclusion as Zmf about that role being more groupscum than SK-y like feel.

Good for you.. doesn't change the fact the way Huntress pushed it looked like scum trying to push something

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yeah its not obvious what you're doing at all

If you're a PR, you've made it obvious. But imo it's more likely you're just softing it so you can fakeclaim.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

skold
zymf
WP
Thor

zymf and wp are town

mala isnt

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

tea party with scum is cool

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Actually, Ank/Skold/Gaiden is a pretty scummy collection of players!

ank is town, the other two maybe

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Gaiden's prob town

Let's not flavorclaim!

Why?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm more inclined to lynch Skold, rather more so because he's been sitting in the back doing nothing, and i think this setup encourages scum to lurk a lot more.
I'd think the same about ZZZX, but i feel that the fact that lufan switched his read on him as soon as Wisdom said that "newbies usually dont bus partners" points to him more than likely being town.
~Sakura
PEdit: How do you know, all the ghosts are immune to the darkening?

[White Narcissus]

2) I am a ghost, and I have passive immunity to darkness.

Oh wait nevermind he did say it
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Mala is town, you guys up for skold instead?

I sure am, not sure about Wis, I'm not that sure on Mala being town tho, and i'm not sure i can trust your ability to read her after THUpick 3.
Skold looks like a nice compromise regardless.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I think I might have considered mentioning the deadline stuff as scum, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have implemented a voting plan as scum.

Except, Zymf had already mentioned the bad idea of voting before you did, also the pvote isn't really a new concept in the terms of mafia, i've been voteless before and used pseudo votes instead, i've seen pseudovoting in kingmaker kind of stuff, and that's pretty much where my initial scumread on you came from.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

That becomes considerably harder when scum don't have additional darkness gained from day phases.

Wait what
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm gonig to keep saying she is but I realize you need to come to that conclusion yourself but I'm sure you also realize that we get more done working together than against each other.

Why is she town?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

It's just something in the defeatism, something in the way she pushed you guys away that feels more like hurt than discredit.

It looked to me more like she hating Wis than actually being truthfully hurt, if anything she didnt sound hurt at all
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It's just something in the defeatism, something in the way she pushed you guys away that feels more like hurt than discredit.

bullshit, she reacts this same way every time I scumread her, regardless of her alignment.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

If she was truly town why did she need to setup a pre-emptive soft claim defense?

[White Narcissus]

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

yep, and since I scumread Huntress rather than her here, the point you're trying to make is bullshit

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Sigh, im just gonna take a break from this game for tonight (and probably stream some), a lot of possible scenarios are going around in my head
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The Higurashi game was offsite and pieguy was a player in it. Sakura believes he might have drawn inspiration from that one because it had similar mechanics.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Mika, how do you feel about Shadowcat now that they posted more?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also goddamn you people post like like a mailman on crack.

This is the default speed for large themes, I'd actually argue we could do better than this. If you can't handle it, please replace out, because people are scumreading you because of your inactivity.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I also get a bit of a bad reaction whenever someone refuses to speak with another player on the basis of them tunnelling unreasonably (or something similar) but that might just be me, because of personal experience. I don't consider it alignment indicative though.

It isn't. Mala reacts this way every time I scumread her, both when she's town and when she's scum. She's just tired of me scumreading her.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I don't have an issue linking the Higurashi game: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/157876 pieguy was a player on it.
So Zymf's next on the flavor claim I assume.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

If not for Zymf's behavior in the last game we played, I'd probably be scumreading him by now.

Why?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

how about we lynch a shadow cat

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I think Shadowcat is more likely to be Town. The way they went after Lufan looked real to me.

What was real about it exactly?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I didn't mind ns's defense. He didn't like a quickwagon on a newbie for being newbie and lurking. Understandable.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

he was wrong about it just like he's wrong about Shadowcat. It happens.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I think Shadowcat is more likely to be Town. The way they went after Lufan looked real to me.

What was real about it exactly?

~Wis

on this note, have i mentioned that i didn't like ns's defense of lufan?

Have I mentioned that notty's my strongest townread?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

They brought up the unread posts thing first. it just seems something scum wouldn't need to do. The last line doesn't sound like bussing, to me.

No, they didn't. All they said had been brought up already. Lufan was doomed once I brought out my secret and bussing was the optimal move, which is exactly what that looks like.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

There is no unread symbol unless you get inside the Private Topic subforum. Which you had no reason to do since as a newbie you don't know what Private Topics are.

^

Check it out, I had said it already. She just repeated it.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

for the record i was also referring to the flag and not the bullet

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

later

dat stall

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

still scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I will lynch skold.

You were against pushing lufan because the only case on him was "lurker newbie", how is skold different exactly?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

poe? really? So what makes him scum over, say, ZZZX?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

anyhow the only way this day is ending is by lynching shadowcat. So we can do it soon or we can delay even more and help scum even more.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Real life takes precedence over a game every time and when things go wrong as they have, particularly for Mala, the game sometimes has to take a back seat, yet in spite of that I have still maintained my regular level of posting, an average of one to two posts a day. I just haven't had the extra time I need to do a full reread.

Why do you sign up for a game that's going to be fast paced, do you realize that our darkening increases for every 48 hours we take to lynch someone?. Oh right of course you do, you're scum and all you want is to explain why you keep stalling.

Maybe it's just me but if you want a massclaim you've got to be the one to initiate it.

When mass claim happens (regardless of flavor or role) people decide on a claim order, starting from the scummiest to the towniest, him wanting you to flavor claim first makes complete sense.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Uh... I can't honestly say I'm super impressed with Skold's catchup so far but since it's incomplete, I guess I'll wait for a bit first.

This doesn't make sense if you're townreading shadowcat's post as "frustrated townie"
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I don't know it almost seemed we were going to do a whole RVS thing. I might be misreading the situation, I've been doing a lot of that recently.

And who brought up the "Let's not use votes in RVS" first?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

What does Skold's reads have to do with Shadow?

While i still don't like either of the 2, Shadowcat hasnt done anything except complain about activity and say that their activity levels are "normal" for that head (Huntress). They said they need to reread the game to see what they saw on Zelink, but why didn't they explain it before they forgot? When they still were being asked a gazillion of times? And if they have time to complain about activity they have time to read Zelink's ISO and find what they had found, on the other hand Skold's post shows him at least taking stances on what's happened on D2.
~Sakura
PEdit: Agree with Zelink.

[White Narcissus]

You know what, fuck it, we've already used up a lot of our precious time.
VOTE: Shadowcat
I haven't seen wisdom online to discuss it, but if we don't take initiative doubt anyone's going to do anything.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Eh? I haven't been checking, but does that include the 24 hour extension we had?

[White Narcissus]

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'd say we have (expired on 2015-04-09 00:00:30) until the 3rd tick.
~Sakura

Also we're better off assuming it's earlier rather than later, it does say any deadline extensions are added beforehand giving us extra time until the first tick, which means the first tick was counted 3 days into the game. Or isn't this why you asked for a deadline extension? I thought it was.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Goddamit now im scumreading Zelink again
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also ZZZX is still town due to the weird read progression lufan had with him after what wis mentioned (Despite how much wis disagrees with me on that)
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Day 2+ deadlines are 10 days, The ticks happen at: 8 days left, 6 days left, 4 days left, 2 days left, deadline. What bothers me if that was the reason why you asked for the extension why are you asking pieguy as if you do not know whether it affects it or not, if you really were asking for that extension for that said reason you'd have asked him when you asked for the extension (or right after he granted it) not right now.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh wait no, im the one that's miscounting the deadline, we have only hit 2 ticks and we have 1 day and 15 hours... derp
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So we have (expired on 2015-04-10 00:00:30) until the 3rd tick. Let's try to get a lynch by then please u.u
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Isnt any extention not counted for the ticks? thats how i understood the rules..

It's added at the beginning of the day and not counted into the darknening ticks, ergo makes the first tick be X-hours late (X being the number of hours added to the deadline). I was counting it as if it ticked as soon as it turned to 4 days, 23 hour 59 minutes left, but it was at 4 days not 5 days derp.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I assumed my interpretation was the correct one. It cannot hurt to make sure.

Yeah, I guess, don't mind me, i thought you were trying to waste time by confirming it with the mod then go "OH SHIT WE'RE SO CLOSE so we can't do anything about it now". But i'd still would have felt better if you had asked earlier
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

so what was decided about the darkness claiming btw?

Don't think anything was decided about it, but we should at least finish the mass flavor claim methinks
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I am not liking latest Mikaz post... AT ALL. its so full of scum intent behind it... *glares*

Elaborate?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So basically, even if Shadowcat doesn't turn out to be scum, it wouldn't be a total loss to town like it would be right now if we could at least get their detailed reads beforehand. 1.5 days should be plenty of time.

1.5 days is not a lot of time considering how often they are posting and how they always complain about "not enough time to reread", I'd be more inclined to wager that they still won't have time because they are hoping the PR claim they've been softing all day will save them.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

and to encourage Shadow to give reads as town?

To be fair, that does sound like coaching.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Eh, true. Well then I'd like to implore Shadow to spend their 1-2 daily posts tomorrow giving detailed reads, please and thank you. A claim wouldn't hurt either, although the possibility of fakeclaims may make that moot.

Why wouldnt they have made those "detailed posts" before instead? Unless you're suggesting that they go and make detailed posts within 1d15 hours and then we end up townreading them for them (won't happen) and have the leftover time to shift the lynch onto the one claimed VT which is now least likely to be scum? At this point they should be claiming flavor and role because they have the majority of pseudo votes on them and we need a lynch pretty soon, unless they come in and explain stuff today to give us more than 24 hours to reasses and probably shift the lynch elsewhere, which i don't see happening.
~Sakura
PEdit: Coaching is a scum telling their partner what to do to be townread/get out of a lynch/etc.

[White Narcissus]

So basically, even if Shadowcat doesn't turn out to be scum, it wouldn't be a total loss to town like it would be right now if we could at least get their detailed reads beforehand.

What am i misinterpreting here?
~Sakura

me

[White Narcissus]

you are indicating that even if eh turns town it wouldnt be a big deal if the reads were taken. Am I wrong?

Actually I could see Mika scum due to this, but Wis has a strong townread on her, wis hasn't been online on Skype today so I haven't been able to talk with him, im hoping he can give me more insight on Mika's towngame and see if he agrees or disagrees with you.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So basically, even if Shadowcat doesn't turn out to be scum, it wouldn't be a total loss to town like it would be right now if we could at least get their detailed reads beforehand.

What am i misinterpreting here?
~Sakura

You seem to have quoted the wrong thing.

No, that was the thing i was alluding to when i said "That part looks like coaching", i quoted the other part when you were explaining why town you would want them to give reads.... wait did you refer yourself as "what would town me do" earlier?... *rechecks*
Eh nevermind i probs read something wrong again.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I think im just going to leave you to wis, just like he left Gaiden to me
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Idk if I am wrong or not but I will just take a break now

So soon? You have only interacted with like Mika... well as long as you dont leave for like weeks again i dont mind
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I targetted notty N1. Because both Huntress and I agreed that he was town and the better route to go considering he could be an easy target to due everything that happened D1.

Huh? despite he having claimed that he was immune to the darkening during D1? So basically you targeted someone that can't confirm whether your claim is valid?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

She's a damn good player in general and if she needs time to sit down and explain her reads then she does.

If she needs time, then don't make everyone else increase darkening along with it, I understand real life stuff happening, but why she didn't explain it D1 when everone was asking, and now she forgot and has to "reread" to explain it, that sounds like a load of bull to me.
And do i need to remind you that every 48 hour time segment we take all of our darkening increase? So how long does she want people to increase their darkening before she gives us her reasons, no im sorry but im not believing it.
#StillNotBelievingTheClaim
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Because notty always softclaims in games. I can never tell what he'll be until he full claims. I wasn't fully caught up myself, but I knew Notty was town. I just felt he was town. I chose him, I always chose him.

The whole Day 1 darkness being risen to the votes. There was taly and notty, probably others, but I was confident over notty being town than anyone else.

I WANTED TIME TO CATCH UP DURING d1. I didn't get it and then everything happened with my cat. I shouldn't be posting right now because I'm crying. I'm on my computer because I'm trying to make a poster of different pictures of my cat to put in my room. I got hundreds of pictures, but i cant decide which ones to use. She's cute in all. I want to use them all. I want her back.

you could lynch someone else, have us target someone, lock us into that target and we're confirmable.

we dont need to die today (although rl I'd love to die because I want my fucking cat back, dw notty i wont<3), but game wise we don't need to die.

~M

Don't you think you should be using your AtE towards others instead of towards notty? Like sure, i know real life sux and everything, but this game happens to have a mechanic that hurts people the longer we take to lynch, so as much as i sympathize with your real life stuff, you're only helping scum, consider this as a last attempt to get something out of your slot that makes me want to reconsider before i exorcise you to the death

I stand by my assertion one of the

final 5

is scum.

Like mala's flavor right?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Why would both scum claim a role that can do the same exact thing

Because Hope+1 where Varsoon counterclaimed his scum partner totally didn't happen.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I JUST GAVE YOU A FUCKING OUTLET SAKURA

lynch someone else
lock us on to a freaken player
let us target them
and we are confirmable

This is not a detailed reads list nor a case on another player, I'm giving you about 24 hours just because im townreading notty and he's townreading you despite the fact that he said to not trust any of his reads on you, So up to you or your hydra partner. Also ftr you could be Sachiko buying time to be able to NK someone tonight. So no, im not giving anyone time to confirm themselves when the one chance they had to confirm themselves they already screwed up.
~Sakura
PEdit: That too.

[White Narcissus]

We need scum lynches to win, we can't count on killing scum via darkness

We're a town lynch.

go somewhere else

Yeah because that's totally not fakeable, go on, im still waiting
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Part of me wonders why pieguy even gave Mayu that fake-claim in the first place when it was possibly going to be outright counter-claimed if Shadowcat is town. That seems like poor modding.

This. pieguy didn't give scum a fakeclaim so close to an actual role in a game. Of course he didn't give scum two similar fakeclaims either, so what's the answer? Shadowcat are faking theirs, not following their given one, for whatever reason.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

What do you currently think of Skold?

And what do you think of the idea of lynching Skold today?

I don't care for random lurker lynches. Skold needs to get replaced, not lynched.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Don't see how not making sense is scummy or lynchworthy

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Although I don't understand what doesn't make sense to you. His argument was that notscience didn't flavor claim when he wanted to mass flavor claim. It's a rather weak argument and means completely nothing, as like was explained the more scummy people are expected to claim first, but it does make sense.

~Wis

pedit: I was talking to zelink

[White Narcissus]

And I think he called you scummy for not flavour-claiming then decided you were a town lean?

No, he called ns scummy, not us. He gave a town lean on us.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

It seems genuine enough to me. First he likes you and says so, then he sees something from you he doesn't like and says so.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I can buy nacho scum. Especially since bro is missing in action and he does lurk as scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Skold help me understand why you're voting zelink, I don't quite follow.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Yes? It's quite obvious what scum gain by lurking here

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Skold help me understand why you're voting zelink, I don't quite follow.

~Wis

I meant that to be an fos instead of a p-vote. I was confusing the two.

Unpvote:

fos:Ze

This is not helping. Why is he scum? Explain your thought process to me.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

He's still scum until he stops lurking

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Yes

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

And so are you for trying to lynch lurkers instead of Mala

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Idk, it seems unlikely for pie to have given scum a VT fake claim, and his frustration and anger reads genuine to me, I don't like how he decided to stop what he was doing because of the anger tho, but i've felt like that before, just that in my case i usually end up with a self-vote or a replace out, if your meta assesment of him is true about him self-hammering then i could see him reacting like this as town.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The fact that Nacho doesn't see this is bothering me a hell lot tho
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I was scumreading Skold last night because he was doing nothing and lufan put him as town while scumreading ZZZX, but this frustration seems a lot like how i get when people misread me, Nacho should know better than me how an angry/frustrated townie looks since he's played a ton of games with me, which is why it's bothering me that he's not seeing this at the very least.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

On the other hand i think if Zymf gets replaced we could get a deadline extension, maybe? @_@
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

On another note Shadowcat also promised content and never delivered even after i told them to produce some within 24 hours (which is plenty of time), Skold at least tried to give his thoughts as he went on with his catch up, why are you guys not seeing this.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The only way im letting Shadowcat live through today is if notty promises that I won't have to deal with them during the night.
@Anxiety: Skold, ZZZX, Shadowcat have been lurking, ZZZX seems town to me due to lufan's read list and his reaction to when wis said "ZZZX is town because newbscum dont bus" swapping him from scumread to null, Shadowcat has been promising content but not providing any, they claimed being able to reduce someone's darkness by 40% and have been skating on that claim continuing to do nothing, Skold claimed VT and is producing content lately. But people want to lynch Skold instead of Shadowcat.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Speaking of lurkers WP seems to have all but dissapeared too... And only seems to have appeared to pvote shadowcat... hmm....
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

This post is where

I started to Town read Shadowcat

. They brought up the unread posts thing first. it just seems something scum wouldn't need to do.

The last line doesn't sound like bussing, to me.

Bold is mine

Btw,I'm going to claim now with all of the deadline thing.We are a darkness decreaser. We target someone and we decrease their darkness by 40%.

I targetted notty N1. Because both Huntress and I agreed that he was town and the better route to go considering he could be an easy target to due everything that happened D1.

<br abp="665">Huh? despite he having claimed that he was immune to the darkening during D1? So basically you targeted someone that can't confirm whether your claim is valid?<br abp="666">~Sakura

pvote Shadowcat

Quite a read change in here.......
Lemme see how he behaved in regards to lufan
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

~lynch all lurkers~
Said the little oni on your shoulder.

Not quite what i meant, but he was active during D1, then he only posts like every 2 rl days during D2, also there seems to be no explanation for his read change on shadowcat (the claim can't be it, if he was townreading them, he'd also believe the claim despite how bad it is).
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Lemme see how he behaved in regards to lufan

And i found a whole bunch of no info so...
Well Wis was townreading him so imma have to wait until i get in touch with wis about it, but atm the only way i see shadowcat being town is if wp's scum.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I won't be voting zzzx, Zymf or skold here. All of them are town. I'd consider lynching Gaiden or wp because I'm not too sure about them, but I would 100% prefer to lynch shadowcat or thorloki.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

But I also don't like Skold for the content he's provided.

He's trying. He's just a weak player. Doesn't make him scum. It's the intent that matters.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

On another note Shadowcat also promised content and never delivered even after i told them to produce some within 24 hours (which is plenty of time), Skold at least tried to give his thoughts as he went on with his catch up, why are you guys not seeing this.
~Sakura

I see it.

I don't like Shadowcat for not providing content.

Will you two just STOP pretending that I'm lurking and not providing content. It's not true but you have been saying it repeatedly and it's becoming annoying. It almost looks like you think that if you keep saying it others will believe you; behaviour which I can understand from scum but not from town, so it's shaking my town read on WN. The only thing that is delayed is my case on Zel and that is because I'm giving priority to keeping up with the thread as Zel is unlikely to be lynched toDay. (Zel has even admitted that I have provided content.)

Will you just STOP pretending that you're not lurking and providing content. It's not true and this post looks almost like you want others to believe what you're saying, you didn't explain your read on Zelink like ever, you didn't elaborate why you don't like Skold's post but you're taking the same stance others are taking on his posting without explaining it, and the only somewhat piece of content you have is a list of barely explained reads, if i'm wrong then quote the "content" you've provided, shouldn't be too hard, right?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I also explained why I was lynching lurkers. What was incorrect about my reasoning?

So i take it you didn't like Skold's posting either? Why do you still want him lynched?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Why do you think that pie wouldn't give scum a VT fakeclaim? You don't think scum have a sample VT PM? You don't think scum would fakeclaim VT?

Scum may fake claim VT, there's a sample VT role in the first page you know. But i feel pie would give scum something to fake claim with a PR so that they are less likely to be lynched, not something that would make town go "OH WELL NOTHING LOST IF THEY ARE LYNCHED!"
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I didn't like his push on ZZZX "because I'm mad": normally, when town make bad votes based on emotion, they aren't aware that they are making a bad vote based on emotion.

I think the Taly point brought up by Zelink is a good one.

Huh? hold on let me relook back at those posts
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Meaning either I'm scum or I'm not seeing the angry/frustrated townie vibe I usually pick up on, making shadowcat an even worse lynch.

Yes but last I remember wis was townreading you, and he disagrees with some of my reasoning, so i can't just take control of the hydra and vote there based on that only without discussing it with Wis (which i did try to discuss earlier, but i got sidetracked by trying to defend Skold from the bad pushes)
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Huh this post happened before Skold acknowledged that it was probably a bad post due to anger:

KUROSAKI KENSUKE

Well its the first time i saw you mension that,. Mkay.

also chill dude. isnt that alittle too... much of a reaction?

Why do you think something like this didn't make him change his mind?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You don't see the interactions my role has with yours?
>.>

She won't because she's scum, duh
Maybe wis is right and you're town, maybe you're just wrong about Skold, maybe me and wis are the ones that are wrong about Skold, thing is, after i found what i found by WP i've been starting to question my reads because there's no way there's that many scum around.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh i guess he changed his mind on you today, i mostly remembered him changing his mind on you during the middle of D1, nevermind then
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Besides, Nacho, why do you believe Shadowcat's claim? Haven't you thought about... the possibility of scum not being able to raise people to 100% Darkening without sachiko, ergo triggering your role as well?
~Sakura
PEdit: Hi Ank, are you townreading Shadow? If so why?

[White Narcissus]

What was your scumcase on them? I'm behind enough that I'm not all that interested in looking right now.

They keep promising content without delivering, more specifically some explanations we've been waiting to hear for a while, instead they claimed and have been sitting on that claim without producing the content we've been waiting for (in case you missed it, they claimed being able to reduce their target's darkening by 40%, flavor Satoshi, Reason: Leader)
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I also am scumreading Skold because I have had the pleasure of playing two games with this kid. He's a nice kid, but both games I could see where he's coming from and this game it's different. It's not himself. It might be RL, or even the pace of the game, but I think it's alignment indicative.

Zel my scumread on you D1 was for two things. I reread the interactions with Lufan. Why WERE YOU reading PT's. You called Lufan out for that, but you are *almost* brand new yourself. So why were you LOOKING at the Pt's. That's why I mainly think you are connected to scum-Lufan. Maybe you have a townrole that you can talk to players I don't know the case. Only players who actively look at PT's are those who are in them, whether or not it's for hydra reasons, mod reasons or because they have a role that actively needs them. Truth be told i don't know why you were looking at them, but that's what stuck me odd about it. Along with your little dance and step in regards to the scum flavor thing.

I think It was mika that asked me a question. I interrupted the mod-scum flavor thing as he might have a chance at raising a few players at a time. I don't know why, but it's how it clicked in my head. Like they can maybe say okay well I want to raise player x at 20% and player b at 80%.
Also what I meant by we need scum lynches is this. Both scum and town I think are affected by darkness, but I don't know how much. We are trying to use shorter deadlines to keep the town from being affected as much. Implementing the shadowvotes to avoid raising darkness levels via that. Town can't use that to their advantage to kill scum anymore so we need to do it by a lynch.

Ok now, why did it take you so long to do this? Why did we have to ask so many times? Why did i have to threaten you with an exorcism?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Maybe you have a townrole that you can talk to players I don't know the case. Only players who actively look at PT's are those who are in them, whether or not it's for hydra reasons, mod reasons or because they have a role that actively needs them. Truth be told i don't know why you were looking at them, but that's what stuck me odd about it. Along with your little dance and step in regards to the scum flavor thing.

Huh? Why didn't you question Wisdom on this too? Tho I know how he found out about it, but it seems odd to me that you were only linking Zelink about it, is it because Zelink's new or what?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I haven't been myself. I don't want to deal with people who believe tunneling people because they are right is the way to go.
I didn't want to deal with anything.

Sure i get that, you've been V/LA and stuff, but... the problem is that there's ANOTHER head on that hydra very capable of producing content, i did specify that i didn't care which of the 2 heads produced content when you lashed out at me, your other head still didn't do a thing and now you finally produce some, im asking why?
~Sakura
PEdit: I don't understand your question?, but it's been both, neither Huntress nor Mala did anything, Mala had a reason, but Huntress apparently stopped being V/LA since like FOUR REAL LIFE DAYS AGO, and still... nothing.

[White Narcissus]

In fact im quite surprise that it had to be Mala the one who came to save the day, when i was mostly expecting Huntress to be the one doing the job because Mala was uncapable at the time for real life reason
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I wasn't reading PTs, I went through lufan's posts to see where else he'd posted (I was trying to figure out how much experience he had in mafia and if he perhaps posted somewhere else indicating his home site). I found it while looking through his posts (go to his profile->search user's posts->see it as the 4th or 5th post of his on site).

That's what i thought, when wisdom showed it to me, his latest post still was in the subforum "Private Topics" which is when we found out about it.
~Sakira

[White Narcissus]

Do you not get the importance of hanging out with family? Do you not get the importance of prioritizing RL over mafia?

Do you not see the fact she told you why she hasn't put out the case. Her pipe broke in her house, Easter was last Sunday and she is a mother, she has kids, she has family. She doesn't have all the time in the world to read all of Day 1 and give out a case that's going to take her hours to do that she just didn't have.

I barely gave reasons for my reads in the PT so she couldn't talk for me most of it. It was my fault and not hers I was being vague.

~M

I still don't think it takes THAT long to put up said case, but ok, what do you think now about Zelink's reply, since you're scumreading both Nacho and Skold do you think Nacho's busing here? they are already 1 man down you know
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You always said you never wanted to become like Wisdom, but you are a spiting image of him.

Don't take this too personal, but you need to change Sakura. Go back to your old playstyle to a certain extent

Oh FFS are you serious, i'm trying to work with you right now. Seems like you just want to hate me because wisdom is in the hydra
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

if notty promises that I won't have to deal with them during the night.

You know, i changed my mind, you can have them in, then Wisdom can torture them during the night because now im pissed
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6749665 @Ankamius
~SakuraHana

[White Narcissus]

I asked because it changes how I look at that argument. Huntress was pretty quick to respond to my questions after the V/LA ending post and Mala's absence isn't alignment indicative, so I wanted to know if you were referring to something else with Huntress or if you had a different opinion with Mala.

Thing bothering me is that notty had claimed on D1 that he was immune to the Darkening, they claimed that they could reduce people's Darkening by 40% and targeted notty N1, so *shrug* either way, im rethinking my read right now, but i don't think Skold's scum i'd rather go to WP
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

My issue with WP is that he was active throughout D1 fine, then D2 suddenly he dissapears and only posts like... every 2 real life days, he then had a townread on Shadowcat, but as soon as they claim he changes his read to a scumread, without any further explanation other than agreeing with my "You targeted notty so no one can confirm your claim", and then dissapeared again, it's been bothering me for a while
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

PEdit: Yeah I understand that, but I don't really see how it's relevant right now. Huntress has been providing stuff and hell, Mala's been doing even more than I have the past few days, so I don't really understand the not-producing-content point.

They refused to explain their reads, due to "lack of time", for like 10 real life days now?, Zelink mentioned in one of his earlier posts
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

hey guys maybe they changed alignments halfway through the game so they started lurking

pedit-
Sakura chill holy shit

I'm chill im answering Ankamius' question, that was before mala finally put forth the explanation for her reads.
I'm only not chill about the fact that Mala's comparing me to Wisdom.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

hey guys maybe they changed alignments halfway through the game so they started lurking

No that's not it, i was thinking probably going apathetic about their partner being lynched, and maybe their night kill being tinkered with in the way that you hinted to us the other day. Speaking of which, do you still think it's possible Taly died because of that?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

And you're not chill enough to remember who did it first the last time it happened.

Who did what first
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sakura: Can you quote where they refused to explain their reads?

I can't quote something they didn't do, what i can quote is every time we asked for them to explain their reads tho, the only thing that they straight refused to do because lack of time was explain Zelink's read.

Interactions D1 felt weird, awkward and forced. Like scum trying to hide a secret. Also asking notscience what his darkness level felt off too.

Will elaborate more after work.

^
Never elaborated until now.

The reason I haven't been able to do this yet is because it involves going back over a good part of the Day 1 posts (not just your ISO) to find again the things I saw which made me suspect you. With the kids off school and college for the Easter holidays I haven't been able to concentrate on it as much as thought I would. Today it's been as much as I could do just to keep up with reading the new posts.

Not uninterrupted time, but I'll do a summary later and hopefully I'll be able to to get things a bit clearer.

ZeL1nK2 - scum read (and no, I still haven't had time to reread the thread to dig up the detail but that doesn't affect my read, it just means I can't explain it to you yet).

There are a few others that can be found in their ISO.

[White Narcissus]

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I don't mind mala's posts but, no offense, the reads lack depth. I am fine with the elaboration on the Loki read, though.

It's way more elaborate than what half the playerlist has provided to be fair.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Okay, so what do you think of the elaboration itself and does it affect how you see those posts?

Well her explanation does make sense, I guess i just had an issue with their defensive play probably. What do you think of what I said about WP?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm happy to lynch Skold now since nobody wants to lynch ZZZX and just call it a day unless we wanna wait another 48 hours.

Do you not have any other scumreads aside of those 2? What do you think of WP?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Wait, wait, wait, wait what in the world? You're happy to Lynch Skold despite you thinking ZZZX was the scummier of the whole interaction they both had there? Do you think that was scum theatre?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

And yes I know, deadline and stuff, but i for one wouldn't lynch a townread even as compromise... So i probably wont join you on Skold.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh wait, we still have 1 day, 3 hours, don't scare me like that u.u
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I actually didn't even notice that WP was almost completely absent until you pointed it out.

I'd at the very least like to know where he stands on Shadowcat after all this talk has happened.

Well he was defending them as town, dissapeared for 2 real life days (again) and only appeared again to pvote them, and then dissapeared again.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Did you even read my post? Nobody seems to be scumreading ZZZX except me and I believe scumskold over scumshadowcat and if we want a lynch in the next 3 hours then it's gonna be one of those 2. Deadline is not for days though so we can always just keep going.

I also am concerned with WP

We had a 24 hour extension due to replacement...
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

This deadline and ticks thing keeps messing me up, sorry. I'll be back in a bit.

Pieguyn is the next tick in 1 day 3 hours? Just to confirm.

You even acknowledged it before...

I thought that meant the extra time at the end of the day, oops.

if I need to extend the deadline, the darkness timer is paused until the "extra" time runs out.

Maybe my English is just that bad, I took this to mean that it's still darkness increasing every 48 hours regardless of extensions, until we pass the original 10 day deadline, and then the darkness is delayed.

I cut out the unnecessary stuff. It says when a deadline extension happens, the darkness timer is paused until the extended time is run through.

[White Narcissus]

This deadline and ticks thing keeps messing me up, sorry. I'll be back in a bit.

Pieguyn is the next tick in 1 day 3 hours? Just to confirm.

Easy, just look at the latest vote count and check how long until it reaches the "4 days remaining" tick

[White Narcissus]

Day 2+ deadlines are 10 days, The ticks happen at: 8 days left, 6 days left, 4 days left, 2 days left, deadline.

I even made a nice little reference thing before
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Inb4 he reverses his read again... and dissapears for 2 real life days again!
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

At this point that'd be akin to lurking, because it's obvious he's reading since he only popped out to pvote shadowcat in light of my response to them, why didnt i realize this before
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sorry wis, i know you don't agree with me, but im going to follow my gut.

Spring Breeze: Witness Protection

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I didn't even notice he was gone since Skold and ZZZX suddenly both cane back. It says he's been online though so doesn't look good that he's barely posted for days.

I mean, just ISO his latest post in THIS game, the latest post came 2 real life days after his 2nd to last (which was nothing) there were 3 posts, then another 2 real life day gap again, then close to nothing then a 3 real life day which was probably part the night time.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It says he's been online though so doesn't look good that he's barely posted for days.

Well he has been reading, that much has been shown because of his reaction to my post, so him being online but not posting is normal for a lurker (inb4 WP beettlejuices), However he hasn't been posting anywhere else in the forums, i do wonder if he's an alt or smth... nah if he was an alt he probs wouldn't even show up as logging in from that account eihter... hmm... meh idk.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm going back to my weeaboo game now.

Off-Topic: Stream pl0x
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Mikazuki is my figurethefuckoutfirsthingtomorrowmorning, for Lufan's one-off interaction with her that felt like they were chatting while holding a ten-foot pole between themselves.

My other head said she was town, i had her as scum due to behaving the same way as a scum game we had, but he has meta of both (i think?) so he told me she was town, and I stopped pursuing her after that. Do you have any other reads that you can share with us at the momment?
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh yeah almost forgot
UNVOTE:
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I don't see how it's possible to confirm the ability at all.

Probably if scum dont know who they are targetting, there's also the chance of them wanting to kill shadow anyway, if shadow's town someone will have their darkening lowered after tonight, scum will have to get lucky (or i guess shadow would have to get unlucky) for it to happen that way, even if we take what they meant of distributing the % in that way, they'd need to raise 2 people by 40% and hope shadow targets one of those and also they would be forfeiting killing someone. And no one has claimed to have had their darkness increased over the course of the night, which makes me think it's a safe assumption that only Taly was targeted.
Then again if Shadow is Sachiko then it makes sense for them to be wanting to buy an extra night.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Mala can be town

Can we lynch Nacho now?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I completely agree with Mala's read on him - he's underwhelming, doing nothing but pushing lurkers here and there, and last time I let that go he ended up being scum. His other head also lurks as scum, and he's been completely absent here.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: Thor and loki

before the next darkness tick happens please

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I completely agree with Mala's read on him - he's underwhelming, doing nothing but pushing lurkers here and there, and last time I let that go he ended up being scum. His other head also lurks as scum, and he's been completely absent here.

~Wis

This is my "case", Mika. I don't make cases.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

As for WP, like I told Sakura, I don't think his joining the initial lolwagon on lufan with indicating he didn't even remember lufan was in the game looked anything like bussing.

~Wis