Mini 1785: Game Over!

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I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

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jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron
The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

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haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

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Yesterday I was super busy. Glad to see the activity settled down.
I'll be reading everything today.

As for my defense\damage control, I guess that's an accurate way to describe it. I was trying to be honest with you guys on describing my motivations behind those posts.

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The weather is great today in Maine, so I'm in a pretty good mood.
I'm about half done with catching up. I can't finish now because I have to get back to work. This is just me touching base with you guys.

I'd rather not decide who I want to put my vote on until I catch up. I'm going to respond to this heat I got on page 6.

I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

You still haven't explained why you said jake was town in this first post. So why?

I am v/la on weekends.

Hi Jake from State Farm. Excited to be town with you this time.

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb **** to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

So u suspect jar jar but won't throw a vote that way?

Can we please lynch this?

My scumslip: "I'm excited to be town with you." I should have said more clearly"I'm excited to be town AND with you. I was excited to be town, I was excited to be with Jake, but I wasn't excited about us both being town, because I didn't know he was town. Although I do think he's probably town.

Not voting jarjar: I had just put my vote on acyron without fully reading everything. I regretted it and didn't want to do it again. My suspicion was more of an FOS than vote-worthy.
What ever happened to FOS btw?

VOTE: kush

Like I still wanna know what he's saying I misrepresented. These are the 2 posts I made about acryn:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Kush

That feels really fake.

This ^

vote thekushmountains

To both of you: in your experience, are scum trying that blatantly hard to look town as far as saying "excited to be town"?

Uh, fuck yeah?
I don't understand why Kush is particularly excited about playing with Jake again either and it feels insincere.
I wouldn't be surprised if both are scum here.

Can you point me to a game where scum said something like this?

Feels like fake scumhunting

VOTE: acryon

@Mr Meeseeks: I vote for people I think are scum, not people I hope are scum. Do you do differently?

So scummy. Obviously the reason you're saying u hope he's scum is cause ur accusing him of being scummy.

Then trying to then throw shade on Meesecks for asking a natural question about it.

By misrepresentation, I meant how you said "hoping" someone was scum was the same thing as "thinking" someone was scum. I agree with acryon in that it's absolutely not. Some people play anti-town as town, for instance, and that's the type of player acyron was referring to.
I think it's more oversimplifcation than misrepresentation actually.

pedit: ah yes symphonic metal mafia. I played a terrible scum game but it didn't matter because people on this site prefer to be dicks to each other than to catch mafia.

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@Garmr.
I think he's town because he's voting and unvoting a lot of people under his own initiative. It's a somewhat reliable d1 towntell.

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murdercat do you do the hoverhand?

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I kissed a girl once

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Sup

Miss anything good? Kush hasn't been lynched yet?

0/2

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I townread Lapsa I think

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I haven't thought about it enough to put into words why I townread lapsa.
I did kind of mindmeld with him about wanting to plynch rc just because of her playstyle.

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Lapsa's idgaf tone feels townie to me.
His questions were good, despite one being based on not understanding an exchange.

I don't think any of the points against him have merit.

Anything worth reading in the last four pages?

no, don't bother

People saying this leans scum are just wrong.

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I haven't thought about it enough to put into words why I townread lapsa.
I did kind of mindmeld with him about wanting to plynch rc just because of her playstyle.

Ok, you were given a second lease on life and you are doing nothing with it. (1) Put into words why you townread lapsa, and (2) Tell us who you think is scum.

btw I expanded on my townread of lapsa on my own initiative, not as a response to this. I hadn't even seen this post. I felt the need to clarify that because I don't want to let you think that you can order me to do things.

It's day 1. I have put very little time into this game and I have no idea who scum is. So my life is worth very little to me at this point. I will do what I want, when I want to do it.

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I haven't thought about it enough to put into words why I townread lapsa.
I did kind of mindmeld with him about wanting to plynch rc just because of her playstyle.

Ok, you were given a second lease on life and you are doing nothing with it. (1) Put into words why you townread lapsa, and (2) Tell us who you think is scum.

btw I expanded on my townread of lapsa on my own initiative, not as a response to this. I hadn't even seen this post. I felt the need to clarify that because I don't want to let you think that you can order me to do things.

It's day 1. I have put very little time into this game and I have no idea who scum is. So my life is worth very little to me at this point. I will do what I want, when I want to do it.

Well that's great because I'd rather not have to prod people into things.

But you still need scum reads, D1 or not. Do you normally just throw D1 away?

I have to put more time into the game for scumreads.

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Woh Jarjar calm the hell down!

I forgot acyron's name so I called him whathisname.

I did read acyron's post that you had quoted, but I didn't read his other posts nor did I know the context. I think.
At this point I actually don't remember how much I did and didn't read.

I have read everything but pages 7-14. I kind of gave up on those. I was going to read them today at lunch but instead I took a nap.

I don't scumread you anymore Jarjar. I like your name a lot. But I'd expect you to be more chill with that name. Your point on me about misdirecting regarding my scumslip was quite good.
But that when I talked about the excitement part of the slip, I'm pretty sure I was responding to someone who mentioned that specific part of it, not the 'calling jake town' part of it.

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Jake from state farm, you have first hand knowledge of my scum game. Doesn't it seem like I'm a totally different person this game? That's how it feels.

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Autti

Well, a replacement is coming in soon. We don't need to quick lynch at all today.

Why would we ever need to quick lynch. I don't like this phrasing.

Proper catch-up post coming when I get home

this looks like jumping on someone in order to look town.
I suppose I can leave my vote here. My vote is about 80% due to his inactivity.

VOTE: Autti

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Jake from state farm, you have first hand knowledge of my scum game. Doesn't it seem like I'm a totally different person this game? That's how it feels.

Oh man, I don't like this post at all.

Why not? I think that post is pretty freakin' town.

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used to think you are good at this game

could be mindgaming but probably townie.

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Jake from state farm, you have first hand knowledge of my scum game. Doesn't it seem like I'm a totally different person this game? That's how it feels.

Oh man, I don't like this post at all.

Why not? I think that post is pretty freakin' town.

Just feels off to me. Like you

really

want people to think that you're town. And appealing to someone else just seems strange to me.

I know. It's like earlier in the day to acyron I acted like I didn't care. Now I'm begging to Jake to save me! Probably because now I'm actually getting into this game.

But also there was another omgusy aspect to my question to Jake. It seems suspiscious that he suspects me, given how differently I acted last game when I was scum.

Anyone he's v/la so my question is going to go unanswered probably.

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But also there was another omgusy aspect to my question to Jake. It seems suspiscious that he suspects me, given how differently I acted last game when I was scum.

We know that you were aware pregame that jake was in this game with you because in post 1 of the game u told him how excited you were to be playing with him.

So hypothetical question, if you had drawn another scum role and jake was not on ur scum team, would you have acted the same way as u did ur last game together? Or would you go out of ur way to mix up ur play style to throw him off ur scent.

All hypothetical of course...

You make a good point. If I were scum, I might approach the game like I dont have a lot of time or don't care, to disguise my mafia burnout. And I was somewhat try hard and serious last game so I would try to get townpoints from that contrast, as I am doing now.

So there are parts of our meta we can change, but also parts we can't. For instance, I would easily be able to read my own alignment, because I know myself. I was hoping Jake would have gotten to know me from that one game enough to townread me.

The more I write about it, the more presumptuous I sound to myself. It would be unfair to scumread him for not knowing my meta from that one game (we've had more games but they were years ago). But what makes me suspicious is that I don't see any thought process comparing my play to that last game. If someone is acting like a completely different person, tonally and content-wise, wouldn't that make you pause and say hmmm?

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Let me clarify, I don't have a scumread on Jake. I just thought asking that question was prudent, and part of me wanted Jake to be my white knight.

I think I might be Jake's biggest fan. The admiration is certainly one-sided, though. I played two games with Jake during my early, formative mafia years. We even had a PM conversation after the games. That interaction has had a huge effect on the mafia player I am today. After this last game, I PMed Jake again, but he ignored me.

So my desperation for acknowledgement from Jake has certainly colored my read on him. But I have recognized this and adjusted for it.

Final verdict: light townread on Jake.

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Also my name is Jake IRL so that coincidence deepens our bond.

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like youve just come up with a narrative of why self-meta could come from scum, and completely disregarded the fact that it could come from town in an equally likely situation

that is not a town mindset

with both your (still largely unexplained beyond pathetically defending a few points) lapsa townread and kush scumread, the way youve gone about it makes something clear to me

you didnt read their posts and decide from that theyre town/scum

youve decided theyre town/scum and then are using posts as evidence after your decision, making many of your reads flawed, missing the alternate perspectives on a situation that town would since that doesnt fit your narrative, and generally fitting square pegs into round holes

VOTE: jarjardrinks

fuckit

lapsa can wait

I'm sorry, dude! I feel bad suspecting you, because you defended me so hard.
But this feels fake.

youve decided theyre town/scum and then are using posts as evidence after your decision

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whoops i didn't finish that... can you explain where that quote is coming from at the end?

also why cant you accept that some town think self meta is scummy? you yourself said you re tired of people thinking that.

also it's not like that's the only point against me.

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I've been playing since like 2013, so I'm not a newbie.

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Funny that you just posted this kush, because I was just about to say how I was initially annoyed by Meseeks and it felt like he wasn't being helpful, but am now really warming to him. He's fighting against people scumreading people for cookie-cutter scum reasoning, which is great because the game is a lot more complex than that. I feel like every game I have to get in an argument with someone about how we are looking for intent, not the person racking up the most boiler-plate scumtells.

There are people who are very level 1 players. It doesn't mean they are bad or dumb, it's just how they approach the game. I would describe jarjar as level 1 but very insightful at the same time.

youve decided theyre town/scum and then are using posts as evidence after your decision, making many of your reads flawed, missing the alternate perspectives on a situation that town would since that doesnt fit your narrative, and generally fitting square pegs into round holes

This is from meseeks. This actually seems more like cookie cutter scum reasoning, general statements that aren't connected to specifics.

Jarjar has reasons why he's scumreading people, so just because he disagrees with those reasons is not evidence that the reasons were made up.

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But the thing is, I know exactly how scummy it will look but I say it anyway to show you guys I'm not afraid to look scummy.
That's how you know I'm town.

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From everything I read, meseeks is seeming townier. Acyron mindmelded with him.

Jarjar is probably tunneled town but possibly scum.

I am still happy with where my vote is but I don't think fire assassin is a bad lynch either.

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About the tone of my posts: they are meant to be funny but also honest.

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Lapsa why did my townreading timing on you feel off?

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I'm back but so out of it. Did I miss anything good? Odds are I won't go back and read anytime soon

I'm confirmed town now so you ought to retract your scumread of me.

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I'm back but so out of it. Did I miss anything good? Odds are I won't go back and read anytime soon

I'm confirmed town now so you ought to retract your scumread of me.

Link to that please

Dude, just filter me. I've been dropping town bombs all week long.

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@jarjar meseeks.

@jake but you know I am capable of staying under the radar as scum. So why would i play in a way that makes everyone want to vote me?

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I was saying jar jar was tunneled on meseeks, not that other people were tunelled on jar jar.

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Jake you're suspiciously focused on this alt thing.

And now you're calling him a liar to convey that into a scumread?

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I just have a personal hatred towards people who lie, especially when it's for no reason. Im not using it as a reason to scum read him though.

When I said I was dropping townie bombs, I just meant the things I was saying were really townie. Not that they were townie in light of last game.

And I was kidding.

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I like Meeseeks but I have a question. Are you a true n00b or you an alt?

neither i am above your titles

like this is pretty much the most obvious "of course im an alt" sarcastic reply ive ever seen

and ignore me? like, all my content? because that seems like a questionable course of action to take on a player who was just dicking around a little with an alt

History has shown me over and over that if a person is going to lie about trivial things, they are most certainly going to lie about things not so trivial. I can't trust you or anything you say.

I know other people have jumped on this, but allow me to jump on it at another angle.

This makes zero sense in the context of a mafia game. It's not like you are going into business with guy. His win condition could very well be to effectively lie to you, so you can't trust him by default.

What non-trivial things are you afraid he might lie about?

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Aaaand Jake is going to ignore me. Just like that PM I sent to him after the last game! Right now I'm crying a river of tears.

But whatever. Jake's alignment can be determined on some later day. Due to the heat on me so far, I'm not afraid of getting nk, despite my incredible scumhunting skills.

Autti is still a great lynch. I'm really happy with where my vote is right now. Do you guys need me to handhold you through this, or are you capable of reading his filter?

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Aaaand Jake is going to ignore me. Just like that PM I sent to him after the last game! Right now I'm crying a river of tears.

But whatever. Jake's alignment can be determined on some later day. Due to the heat on me so far, I'm not afraid of getting nk, despite my incredible scumhunting skills.

Autti is still a great lynch. I'm really happy with where my vote is right now. Do you guys need me to handhold you through this, or are you capable of reading his filter?

I know those feels. I have to accept the fact one of the people scum reading me is probably town.

From the way it looks between
the survivalist jar jar drinks who was afraid of voting me till I shifted my vote off of him.
lapsa who's playing the village idiot card
cavalry who offers pretty much no explanation for her reads
murdercat

I would probably say murdercat is the most likely to be town but I don't like how his gone quiet. Realistically out of those

4 scum reads I think 2 would actually be scum

and there probably one siding with me. But they just seem so scummy it's hard to split them apart to me and I don't really know who's the scum who's siding with me or ignoring me all togther. I feel like Rc and Firebringer and maybe maybe auti are town.

jar jar - has made a lot of good points. Overall quite townie. I can see why people think he's scummy, but I think they are missing the forest for the trees.
lapsa - He always plays like that? And if you look past his play style he's relatively townie.
calvary - writing way too much to be lynched day 1.
murdercat - haven't looked too deeply but I remember filtering him and quickly dismissing him as a day 1 lynch. I don't remember why.

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murdercat how dare you associate me with an illegal drug. I am a wholesome geographical monument.

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calvary - writing way too much to be lynched day 1.

Jesus Kush, every time I think you might be town you say stupid shit.

I've played enough to know that it's a mistake to lynch active people d1.

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There is a case on Calvary you could comment on if you wanted to.

by whom

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There is a case on Calvary you could comment on if you wanted to.

by whom

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FA, maybe you want to like... ask me questions or something since you think I'm scum and you're voting me?

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ok you're not voting for me. can you update us on your read of me?

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Why We Should Lynch Autti

Disclaimer: I have zero meta knowledge of this player.

• nothing that looks townie
  
• low activity
  
• Is this post townie? Seems like he is imposing a scum narrative on jar jar's filter.
  
  Spoiler:

  FFS cant even post porperly, so tired.
  
  Anyway. Did a re-read;
  
  First up Fire Assassin, lurking, 167 i thought was strange at the time and could actually be a scumslip? Doubtful but its worth noting with his lurkiness, 367 no attempt at helping the wagons just joining them. I know i haven't made a huge effort so far so i can't really throw stones, but this is a scumlean slot for me.
  
  Murdercat 345 i actually don't like, for this reason

  I wasn't thinking anything about scum chat

  scum has day chat when that should be obvious to everyone

  , so you weren't thinking about it and yet its obvious to you at the same time? That doesn't make sense. 331 is null to me, he is just highlighting setup information, he isn't exactly tunneling setup discussion, thus to me its not indicative of anything, but your really trying to jump on it.
  
  Garmr sees alright so far. Hes making a good effort.
  
  Now we get to some interesting interactions and events.
  
  Lapsa self votes in 374 bold strategy i'd say. For early Day1 this is scummy, not making an effort to hunt scum and residing to a IDGAF im town is weak.
  
  More interestingly JarJar white knights him straight after in 375 (i'm calling this white knighting is because of the future posts).
  Calls the case garbage, really doesn't elaborate on it much, then attacks 3! (acryon, RC, garmr) people for being on the Lapsa wagon. This is hard out white knighting.
  
  Arcyon hits some good points on 380 and 434, provides an actual case for JarJar to disagree with.
  
  Meeks is correct in 379
  
  JarJar then attempts to start the counter wagon again in 399, sees that it wasn't going attention for a couple pages and then goes for it in 439
  
  Strangely Kush has 420 where he "townreads lapsa i think" glad this was jumped on.
  
  The whole Lapsa Kush JarJar interactions are incredibly strange. 1 of them has to be scum, if not more.
  
  Jake has lurked from 370 so i'd like to see more from him.
  
  RC is RC, i can never read him and i generally don't bother until day 2/3 when he gets active.
  
  Lastly, Calvary appears hard town when he rocks up, but strangely Innocent straight up mis-reps him on 472, he never even hinted that it would be bad to lynch the "weak-link" scum, he is saying it because there could be scum on the wagon already.
  
  Also hi to Meeks for 447
  
  @JarJar could you please tell me your scum reads, and who on the lapsa wagon you think is scum.
  
  Sorry for the wall of text post, i've got some more time to post daily now, i hate wall of text but was just collecting notes during lunchbreak lol.

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I'm not doing Autti today.

Lapsa/JJD are my big picks still.

Why not

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Anyways, we aren't lynching you today I don't think so I guess I'll have to move my vote sooner or later.

Don't see why U'd think garmr can't be lynched today.

There is no way Garmr is getting lynched today. One of me or Garmr have to be night killed before that happens.

Challenge accepted

vote: garmr

but you haven't even communicated why you want to lynch garmr.

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@jake didn't you criticize Wisdom for doing the same thing last game?

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well you've been asked multiple times lol.

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jake, your answer was "because i think he could be scum" but people are looking for you to say WHY you think he could be scum. Obviously.

Anyway I could join a Jake wagon. Partially on policy of uncommunicativeness. Partially because he could be scum.

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looks like gamr just wants to buddy people better than he is

But your not a good player.

You shut your mouth! Jake is a great player!

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noooo jake!!!!

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yo mc. wats up bro.
just a heads up, I think I'm gonna scumread you. Reading through your filter now, and I'm about half done.

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Here's my first piercing question.
@Murdercat

I don't really mind a Lapsa lynch though because he is not helping anything and we will get info.

Do you have any specific info in mind? Like if he's scum who will you suspect? If he's town who will you suspect?

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@Murdercat
You keep saying I would have to be "so bad" to be scum. Last game I was scum. I played a somewhat bad but standard scumgame, staying under the radar and stuff.
Does that affect your "too bad to be scum" theory?

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I would have to read it, but not really. I'm basically assuming you are capable of a decent scum game already, so knowledge that you were able to play somewhat decently doesn't really change that. Because you said you've been playing for a while I'm thinking you wouldn't draw attention to yourself the way you have this game if you were scum. I think you know that the posts that I've pointed out (and others have pointed out) would come off as scummy.

Right but what stops me from trying to wifom you guys?
Doing things that are obviously scummy in order to look townie?

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mc, the reason why i'm going down this wifom hole, is that you said I was either "so bad" or town, but you ignored the possibility I just brought up.

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@MC
about your scumread/vote on garmr:
do you have meta knowledge of garmr that makes his aggressiveness look scummy?
In your experience, does scum change their vote a lot day 1?

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also mc, isn't garmr's play of pushign and switching reads also bringing attention to himself, and therefore probably not scummy?

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That exchange with mc made me less suspicious of him sadly.

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Mc actually nvm you aren't off the hook yet. I'll ask you another question later.

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WHO IS SCUM KUSH?!?!?!?

it's day 1 bro!!!!!
I think autti is the best lynch.

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I Am Innocent, by "attacked nobody," what do you mean precisely?

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I'm going to recant my MC scumread and omgus scumread IAMINNOCENT

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@I am innocent,
Recanting the MC scumread has to do with his explanations and reconsiderations. It has nothing to do with you.
Those two things were just happening at the same time.
I have questioned people. I have said Autti should be lynched and why.
What exactly are you looking for when you say i should attack people?

I am not someone who postures, pretending to strongly scumread people when I don't. My play is honest.

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actually I want to add that I would have to filter you before I can say I truly scumread you.

pedit: second choice- honestly I don't know right now. I'd have to think on that one.

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rc or jake are both fine lynches I think.

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I don't understand how an RC lynch would be good at all right now.

haven't filtered but nothing seems townie from memory. I thnk that playstyle is easy for scum to hide behind.

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JJD, why do you keep bringing up how bad RC is? What does that have to do with if she's scum?

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oh i thought you were implying it from this quote.

RC randomly chooses who to scumread and then pushes it as hard as he can.

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so jarjar essentially this is just a prolonged, ad hominem defense

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iai is being pretty 1 dimensional in his scumread of me.

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yeah that was a pretty good post though iai

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Read through of lapsa:

used to think you are good at this game

am i wrong to think this reads town?

-he's got lots of early questions that lead no where
-talks about past games on more than one occasion
-lots of open ended scumreads in his read list
-opportunistic vote on garmr
then i kinda got bored

ill join the wagon to see what will happen.
VOTE: lapsa

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That was a day 1 yolo vote.

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Did you mean reads scum?

no lol.

am i wrong though?

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Just confusing that you say something Lapsa said looks towny then give a bunch of negatives and a vote.

yes. im confused myself.
Do you think I'm wrong that that looks townie?

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I am currently of the opinion that Lapsa is town, but I don't see that post as anything special in either direction.

why? or where if the explanation already exists.

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ad h

lol sure. What other type of defense can I give when the case against me is "JJD is Scum"?

didn't your mom ever tell you 2 wrongs don't make a right?

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I'm hard towbreading jar jar for That masterful demonstration of clear reasoning and towniness.

Expediance, what is your reasoning for saying what jar jar said was. Suspicious?

Here's what's at stake. If you give a good reason, I will townread you. If you give a lame reason, or you shrug and say "feels", I will null read you. Fair?

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used to think you are good at this game

Anyone who knows lapsa, is Lapsa this dirty as scum?

Does anyone know Lapsa as a man?

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Better yet lapsa instead of being trash and a waste of space in this game how about giving us some actual solid reads which you have not done this whole game.

amazing. finally someone's asking for reads. didn't even take a century

and no, i won't tell them

to you

. so you would know how it feels

Lapsa why do you even play mafia seriously.

it's a good game. helps me to learn on how to sell insurance policies

Lol there's a diffrence about not wanting to talk about something that really isn't relevant and not wanting to play the game lapsa.

i treat everything as relevant to the game.
sometimes most subtle things are capable of instantly revealing all of it

and i'm playing it. i want town to doubt my wagon

if mislynch goes through - town gains no association tells whatsoever

maybe perhaps that me and you ain't in scumteam and that's that

cat -
been on most wagons. nothing really pings scum

calvary -
lots of plain analysis instead of "TEH SCUMHUNTINGZ"

acryon -
i've seen several players with similar "Death note themed mindset".
seems inexperienced yet enthusiastic.
prime target for scum manipulations which might have already taken place

jarjar -
should not be underestimated.
way less pretentious than in his scum game.
has been all over the place instead of just tunneling lapsa.
language seems natural (that's an important tell), sound reasoning.
his defence on me is in a sweetspot i would expect from an acquainted town-aligned player.
our reads diverge on [innocent, assassin, garm, meesex] though.
slight townlean

autti -
garm's making good effort at mucking this game.
[autti, garm] scumteam seems viable.
praising meesex for #379 feels bad.
judgment of events unrelated to me feels totally town though.
slight townlean

rc -
vote pattern seems mostly natural with exception of #204 - jake vote feels like probing for easy lynch.
lapsa tunnel indeed is eeringly similar with what jarjar did in his scum game.
can stomach rc's issues with jjd but having issues with cat seems too much.
slight townlean / null read

garm -
his tunnel on me feels familiar - we've been there already.
but he's much more disruptive.
lots of fluff, bullshit reasoning, stagnant reads.
null read / slight scumlean

meesex -
initiated wagon on acryon.
oddworld reasoning everywhere - doesn't resonate with me at all.
could be scum but also could be a noob who's being used for scum manipulations.
wouldn't mind him getting lynched i guess although must refine my read before doing so

assassin -
low on content.
somehow i just don't like that guy and don't know why.
slight scumlean

jake -
i kind a liked his explanation of what's blatantly obvious.
his vote on me seems understandable.
i think there's slight chance he's associated with meesex because of #64 - seems staged.
+ meesex`s #13.
interesting smalltalk with innocent.
seems to be too experienced for such apathy V/LA or not
scumlean

kush -
need to refine my read.
timing of some things seems off - e.g. townread on me.
scumlean

innocent -
sheeps RC and jumps on kush.
i have no idea wtf is that huge slip inno is talking about on #238.
low on content.
scumread

Holy shit how did I scumread this? This reads list is dense with towniness.

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assassin
meseeks
autti

VOTE: autti

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garmr, should I buy your read that assassin is town, if you "do this every game"?

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Fire Assassin, just because I know someone is wrong about something that means I should think they are scum?

Your attack looks really opportunistic and weak in these last few posts.

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Why is fire town? Can someone explain that metaread? If it's about a lack of shit posting, I don't agree because he seems to be shit posting plenty this game.

Exp Why is Acyron scummy?

Exp Why is meseeks townie?

Auttis slot , why are you finding murdercat hard to read?
Also where are your reads, who do you want to lynch, or are you content to let time almost run out before you decide?

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@Fire Assassin,
okay I see here you are coming from with questioning the fact that lapsa had me as a scumread. The reason why I didn't address his point against me, that my timing was weird, is because it would take a lot of work. I would have to go back and figure out why I changed my mind at that point in time. I could have just been behind and finally filtered him. Who knows.
Furthermore there is no heat on me right now so I don't feel a need to defend myself.

@my scumreads
I am going to remove Fire Assassin. Partially because I've liked my interactions with him, and partially because I respect Garmr's metaread.

I don't know ow to do that number thing, but look at this recent meseeks post:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7865987
Really good points against Iaminnocent.
Really bad points against jarjar.
Still votes jarjar.
To me this reads as meseeks being scum with iaminnocent and engaging in an inconsequential bus.

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meeseeks i did and i disagree

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Meeseeks is that defense supposed to convince me your town? What is it supposed to do?

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Mr Meeseeks that was quite a cocktease.

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Wow Meeseeks that theory is really special.

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Dunno how close calvry is but id want to refilter. The lynch doesn't strike me as bad though.

Regarding meeseeks, those consprcy theories are easier for mafia to fake than people realize. I'm gonna have to re-read it.

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I disagree with this wagon.

I think I'm liking Calvary more for scum, yeah.

VOTE: Calvary

They're doing a lot of digging into and questioning other people's reasoning, but providing barely any of their own; they're doing stuff but they're not really making an conclusions from the stuff they're doing, so it reads like fake scumhunting.

They did do a pretty extensive case on Fire but I found the reasoning really lacklustre and mediocre.

The bolded directly contradicts the first part of what you are saying. There is a huge case on fire, with counterpoints considered, and the case is pretty damn good for being that early in day 1.

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They're doing a lot of digging into and questioning other people's reasoning, but providing barely any of their own; they're doing stuff but they're not really making an conclusions from the stuff they're doing, so it reads like fake scumhunting.

This is fake scumhunting actually. Speaking in generalities, and flat out wrong.
Calvary talks a lot about her reads.
Here's just one example where she explains her vote on autti:

@Cavalry, mind explaining your scum read on Autti?

I am in the process of rereading his posts, but the main reason is that I feel like he is going for the easy player criticisms/ targets. Something about the way he words his critiques is insincere, like he's chiding players as opposed to legitimately hunting for scum. Going through the motions, as it were.

In Calvary, the auttislot has found a great target who has been afk and isn't here to defend herself. And you sheeps went onto the wagon without even reading Calvary's filter. Shame on you.

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Garmr, it really doesn't matter if calvary's case is bad. It negates the first part of Postie's argument that Calvary isnt' giving opinions of her own.

Furthermore, calvary later changed her read on fire. She knew it wasn't a definitive case and she never treated it as that.

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Well here case against Autti isn't great, but against someone with low activity, you can't really make a great case. But that example is just there to show you that Postie is full of shit.

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Regarding meeseeks, those consprcy theories are easier for mafia to fake than people realize. I'm gonna have to re-read it.

Reread it yet?

Also can u think of any scum motivation for him to put forth that theory and basically flipflop his read of you and Lapsa?

Cause to me, it looks like a natural thought progression of someone that is tunneled on me being scum.

Not yet.
Scum motivation is to make himself look townie and open up more people for him to scumread.

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@Garmr I find it perfectly normal to defend someone without calling them town. That is what most of your case hinges on.
Calvary didnt want to lynch people and thought the case against them was bad but didnt want to lay down strong townreads either. I could see myself doing that, so I don't find it particularly scummy.

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Do you guys think I can find traction for any of Postie, Iaminnocent, or Meeseeks?

Lynching Iaminnocent seems like it might be possible. Autti/postie not so much anymore now that she's really active and a decent scumplayer.

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k murdercat, let's do a counterwagon?
VOTE: iaminnocent

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cat -
been on most wagons. nothing really pings scum

calvary -
lots of plain analysis instead of "TEH SCUMHUNTINGZ"

acryon -
i've seen several players with similar "Death note themed mindset".
seems inexperienced yet enthusiastic.
prime target for scum manipulations which might have already taken place

jarjar -
should not be underestimated.
way less pretentious than in his scum game.
has been all over the place instead of just tunneling lapsa.
language seems natural (that's an important tell), sound reasoning.

his defence on me is in a sweetspot i would expect from an acquainted town-aligned player.

our reads diverge on [innocent, assassin, garm, meesex] though.
slight townlean

autti -
garm's making good effort at mucking this game.
[autti, garm] scumteam seems viable.

praising meesex for #379 feels bad.

judgment of events unrelated to me feels totally town though.

slight townlean

rc -
vote pattern seems mostly natural with exception of #204 - jake vote feels like probing for easy lynch.
lapsa tunnel indeed is eeringly similar with what jarjar did in his scum game.

can stomach rc's issues with jjd but having issues with cat seems too much.

slight townlean / null read

garm -
his tunnel on me feels familiar - we've been there already.
but he's much more disruptive.
lots of fluff, bullshit reasoning, stagnant reads.
null read / slight scumlean

meesex -
initiated wagon on acryon.

oddworld reasoning everywhere - doesn't resonate with me at all.

could be scum but also could be a noob who's being used for scum manipulations.
wouldn't mind him getting lynched i guess although must refine my read before doing so

assassin -
low on content.
somehow i just don't like that guy and don't know why.
slight scumlean

jake -
i kind a liked his explanation of what's blatantly obvious.
his vote on me seems understandable.
i think there's slight chance he's associated with meesex because of #64 - seems staged.
+ meesex`s #13.
interesting smalltalk with innocent.
seems to be too experienced for such apathy V/LA or not
scumlean

kush -
need to refine my read.
timing of some things seems off - e.g. townread on me.
scumlean

innocent -
sheeps RC and jumps on kush.
i have no idea wtf is that huge slip inno is talking about on #238.
low on content.
scumread

this is a really townie reads list. bolded is especially townie.

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Kush, how do you feel about fire? I'd rather vote fire than I am innocent. Garmr > fire > IAI

Not fire, not garmr.
Garmr is really town.
I trust Garmr's townread of Fire. Plus fire has been reasoning in my interactions with him.

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Kush, how do you feel about fire? I'd rather vote fire than I am innocent. Garmr > fire > IAI

Not fire, not garmr.
Garmr is really town.
I trust Garmr's townread of Fire. Plus fire has been reasoning in my interactions with him.

You don't think there's any chance of Fire pocketing Garmr?

Garmr seems really confident in his read. Yes there's a chance but it's day 1, and if you have a strong indicator like that that someone is town, that's going to trump most other stuff on day 1.

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In fact I'd go as far as saying it's going to Donald Trump most other stuff on day 1 ...

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Why do you trust Garmr's read so much?

It's more that my experience has made me acutely aware of the weakness of day 1 reads in general. In contrast, Garmr's metaread looks pretty strong.

also I likedand me fire's conversation, though I can't remember why.

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Would do kush again actualy.

Is it because I disagree with you, I think about the game differently than you, or none of the above?

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Don't worry Meeseeks I might be wrong about you

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innocent now's your chance! the wagon is real.

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im really sick of garmr vs jarjar.
im really sick of lapsa vs everyone.
They're all 3 of them town lol.

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Those 3 players have a total of 4 votes right now, none with more than 2...so what are u yammering about?

hmmm someone's watching vc very closely! (f.o.s.)

Nah but not so much about the vc. people keep talking about wanting to lynch them.

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People who are here, how are we feeling about fire?

not gonna vote fire today

looks like ill have to compromise on calvary because noone is sensible enough to vote kush

VOTE: calvary

and iaminnocent? what happens to your suspicions of him?

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See if I didn't have a meta read of you being terrible as town,

lolwut

i can call rc a lot of things

but terrible as town? fuck off if you honestly think that

sure, he's bad at giving reasons and convincing others to join his wagons, but rc's accuracy at finding scum is honestly astonishingly good at times

so my immediate reaction to you saying this is "scum discrediting town because scared of correct reads"

That exchange with mc made me less suspicious of him sadly.

Read this guys ISO and tell me you don't see post like this over and over again.

He
Has
Attacked
Nobody
!
!
!

as in..? people have different types of play of mafia. some people arent particularly pushy and attack-y, and thats a playstyle difference through and through in my eyes.

WHO IS SCUM KUSH?!?!?!?

i mean, presumably who hes voting? like, the votecount was about 6 posts above this, its not that hard surely.

I'm going to recant my MC scumread and omgus scumread IAMINNOCENT

Then vote me! Push others to vote me! Do something! Show me u care more about catching scum than upsetting others!!!

Ur play does not line up with a town agenda at all.

Still happy with my vote.

didnt he just say his main scumread/person he wanted lynched was autti?

WHO IS SCUM KUSH?!?!?!?

it's day 1 bro!!!!!
I think autti is the best lynch.

yes

yes he did

I'm going to recant my MC scumread and omgus scumread IAMINNOCENT

And why would u recant one scum read just cause u have another?

i mean it seems to me that they are separate events that just happened closely - kush interacted with mc to see what he thought, and was deciding that he was town around when you attacked him for "not attacking people", so i dont see how you automatically assume that they are for the same reason, or hes recanting a scumread to replace it with another

yeah, im gonna put my scumteam right now at jarjar/lapsa/innocent

I've played several games now with RadiantCowbells and here's the list of reasons to think he's good at mafia:

- He tells people that he's good at mafia

look dude

ive seen a game, a 13 player game with 2 scum, where radiantcowbells borderline single-handedly got both scum members killed before d2

saying that rc is bad at mafia is objectively wrong

Interaction between RC and me in the last game I played.

I am not tolerating any lynches besides a Ricastle lynch today.

cool story bro

All the skeevy sons of bitches are pushing the lynch away from him.
The people that I like are pushing the lynch towards him.

After he flips town, u gonna say that the people pushing the lynch away from him were just doing it for the towncred?

I'll let u guys guess what Ricastle flipped as. I have no idea why anybody would ever pay attention to anything RC says.

"wow guys rc got a single read wrong once he must be crap at mafia"

like fuck off, seriously, who the fuck doesnt get reads wrong every now and again?

this is scum trying to discredit someone, seriously, vote jjd please people its the right thing to do

JJD, why do you keep bringing up how bad RC is? What does that have to do with if she's scum?

Because he keeps telling people that I'm scum and for some reason people actually listen to him.

quote a single person who has voted you because of rc. i know that i at the very least came to this read independent of him

in fact, dont bother. ive just isoed both of the others who have voted you (garmr and fire assassin) and the only time either of them addressed rc in regards to you was garmr also telling you to stop discrediting rc - after both of them had voted you. there is literally no evidence that either of them voted you because of rc.

so nice lying there, seriously people this is scum look

Postie replaces Autti. Please welcome her!

fuck yeah posti- wait youre really good as scum arent you fuckkkkk youre gonna be fun to read

youre cool though, so welcome

Hello, I replaced Jake from State Farm, probably. Haven't read the thread yet.

welcome you too!

Of course Jakes replacement is gonna scum read me.

could you explain what you meant by this sentence?

We all have our on and off games jarjar but judging from our on games rc and I have at least demonstrated the ability to play above average sometimes (I'm hit or miss and I acknowledge this)

I have never seen anything noteworthy from you.

Then why did you say this?

Lapsa case is garbage. bad lynch.

are you scum or just not very smart?

I don't think jar jar is garbage as a player so I would lean scum.

If I'm not garbage, and I'm not above averarage then I'm.... what?

Looks like I'm whatever best fits your agenda at the time.

wow seriously

LOOK AT THIS SCUM!

he has just painted garmr describing him as "not garbage" and "not noteworthy (exceptional)" and has painted that as scummy, rather than reaching the logical conclusion that he is average

like fuuuuucking hell this is painting absolute rubbish as scummy, like seriously

Why? I think he made the account so he could play differently.

This is a wierd train of thought. You're saying that Postie shouldn't trust her meta read of fire because he possibly made an alt account so he can act differently?

i mean to me that seems like the opposite of a weird train of thought

like, if hes made an alt and made little attempt at hiding it, you can guess that its to do with playing differently (and if you have played with firebringer main before, he is playing

very

differently here)

yo meeseeks how was this attack on iai relational?

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yo meeseeks how was this attack on iai relational?

have a look at all of his posts i have a big problem with

see who theyre all directed towards

see why it is relational to an extent

So a townread on me required to make his posts scummy?

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why

dont

people want to lynch iai?

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why

dont

people want to lynch iai?

I'm townreading IAI because his thoughts have mirrored mine in a lot of places.

like where specifically?

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Iai go go. Domt settle on a shitty lynch.

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Iai postie acryon is my best guess atm

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Is it frustrating thinking I would be a easy lynch. Many scum make that mistake and then they end up caught in my web.

You have so many posts like this that are clearly designed to be over the top. This way you can use the defense that you would never push so hard on someone you know is gonna flip town.

I'm so positive that u can't possible be that sure of ur reads, I'm willing to martyr to prove it.

So calling you out right now: We lynch me today and if I flip town then tomorrow you walk into the noose, no questions asked. If I flip red then grats, you killed scum.

DO YOU ACCEPT?

for real dude.. the game has more than just you two.

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Acyron looking scummy to me here.
His defense of calvary is over the top.
This is at least the second time he's mentioned voting calvary to avoid the NL. This feels like he's playing the pro-town card.

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acyron, thoughts on iai? Are you willing to join that wagon?

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great let's do postie. I have zero problem with that, it's just I thought iai was more viable due to his lack of activity.

VOTE: postie

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Mr Meeseeks are you warming up to me?

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I stopped scumreading you so it's only fair you return the favor.

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Good point lapsa

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I get the feeling lapsa wants people to lynch him in order to punish them for misreading him.

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Someone who knows the mechanics of these games better than me, can that be definitely cced with a massclaim?

for instance there are a set number of prs for town?

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last game i had a mason ability as scum which i never used. So that role would not suprise me coming from scum.

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Claim sounds fake. I'll let her catchup and posts stuffs but I say we hang her regardless.

why

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I agree with RC the smart play is to lynch somebody else. IAI anyone?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: IAMINNOCENT

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I mean I agree with you guys that I think she's probably scum, but still it's optimal play to wait to lynch her.

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I think Postie is scum. But we have nothing to lose leaving her alive, and everything to gain.
In the even that she really is a gunsmith, that is a very powerful role. It will eat the roleblock if nothing else.

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I think Postie is scum. But we have nothing to lose leaving her alive, and everything to gain.
In the even that she really is a gunsmith, that is a very powerful role. It will eat the roleblock if nothing else.

Why are u so sure there's a roleblock? Scum slip?

"It will eat the roleblock if nothing else."
That means that if she is gunsmith, the smallest benefit that leaving her alive will provide is to eat the roleblock.
If there isn't a roleblock, then the role is powerful right? It returns true if she checks scum or vig?

Nothing about what I said assumes there is a roleblock. Although, there probably is, right? Just considering what roles normally are.

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CFD: chinese fire drill. when everyone switches their votes last minute.

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Id rather kill postie than calvary I think.

VOTE: postie

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wait we still have a bunch of time nvm

VOTE: iaminnocent

Anyway yeah. He keeps jumping on me for the most obviously stupid shit.

Something else that's been nagging at me. Is murdercat being too agreeable?

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@calvart, about murdercat or iaminnocent?

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@calvart, about murdercat or iaminnocent?

Murdercat.

Also isn't MC voting for Innocent? Not sure how damning your point against MC is but how does that change your view of MC/ Innocent?

I feel like he's budfying me or something. I'm on my phone so I can't find quotes. And it's just a feeling, not a real scumread.
If he was scum iai could be scum still. There was never any threat of iai wagon picking up steam so a bus wouldn't be that risky.

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Buddying me

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631

How do you do this magic?!

ok
VOTE: I am innocent

Mostly for the Calvary vote but also other small things like 238 which feels forced and 472 which is a silly misrep.

Kush, how do you feel about fire? I'd rather vote fire than I am innocent. Garmr > fire > IAI

I don't think Kush is scum

That's what I could find. I thought there was more. Looking back over it, it looks kind of silly.

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IAMINNOCENT I'm totally not pushing his wagon post claim. I don't think he should be lynched, and I said that multiple times.

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Kush I'm confused about the 719 quote

How do you link to someone's post with the post number like that??

Id rather kill postie than calvary I think.

VOTE: postie

Just this page :-/

Like I said, I don't want to kill postie, but I'd rather kill her than calvary.
So that's not exactl pushing postie's lynch.

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so can we decide on 2 wagons so i can pick one?

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jarjar only has one vote and I'd pick calv over him.

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VOTE: postie

Order of lynch preferences is IAI>Acyron>Postie>Calv

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murdercat, the issue is that due to the random nature of power roles, the claim can't be CCed without a massclaim, and even then maybe not.

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jarjar only has one vote and I'd pick calv over him.

Any reason ur avoiding saying anything about garmr?

I kinda decided he was town a while ago for some reason then started to ignore everything said about him.

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I know that Kush, but if Postie is actually PR that would be pretty shitty.

VOTE: Garmr

Get on Kush, IAI is going nowhere and at least Garmr is here I think.

so why do you keep on about how bad it is that there's no CC if a CC is not possible?

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hmmm. I mean if we lynch garmr, at least jarjar will shut up about him.

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hmm the points in favor of lynching garmr:

1 i dont want to read his filter
2 it will make jarjar shut up about him
3 the buddying with murdercat will be strengthened

VOTE: garmr

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he looks so town through..; o well

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i dont take games too seriously, especially day 1. garmr just don't black list me. if it's a matter of blacklisting, I'll unvote you.

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sigh VOTE: calvary

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o really?
VOTE: postie
but garmr said they work together?

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wow garmr you played really newbish here lol.

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I dont insult people often but you deserved it.

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Yes I think he's town. His emotion looks genuine and stuff. If he was CCed as scum, he would have had to come up with all that shit awful quick.

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I think RC's comment that cop, gunsmith not being in the same game should be respected, which would make postie scum.

That laspa CC isn't fake because scum would not cc there.

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wow garmr you played really newbish here lol.

I played noobish I played noobish did you even read your own iso. Your fucking inconstant as shit the reason I fucking town read you was because you fucking seemed more competent in your scum game than you are as town. The conclusion you come up to are to fucking insane and so logically flawed I wouldn't see newbie scum come up with them. Sure there's hope for you in the future but this game gah It was frustrating second guessing myself from the shift and conclusion you come up with.

I realize my reads are shit. You do not. That's what makes you newbish.

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murdercat, there's no way lapsa is trolling.

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or there is a way but i think it's unlikely

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Also on the fucking 2% you are town jarjar fuck you. You are fucking vexing to play with I hate you so much asking fucking obvious shit bending shit I do naturally to something scummy even if it makes no sense fuck fuck fuck.

If you are scum you have done a good job I congratulate you you fucking broke me.

If ur scum though. u gotta admit I'm pretty amazing @ mafia right?

this doesn't make sense to me

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But I'm not going to forget you either murdercat if you are town in this game I'm going to hold it against you.


@kush
I know I am hit and miss already acknowledged it. The fact you think you know what I'm think makes you newbish.

?
You threw a little bitch fit and fake claimed cop because you were so sure your jarjar read was right. Now our cop is outed because of you.
Remember my words if jarjar flips town which I think he will.

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like garmr you didn't even fake claim there to prove you were right about jarjar. you fake claimed to save yourself right?

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I hate EoDs. They are so stressful..
I think lapsa's claim was legit, which makes postie probably scum according to RC who knows these setups better than me.
So let's just vote postie.

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ok maybe he's trolling since he's not coming back.

pedit: garmr looks townie to me is why

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garmr looks townie to me is why

huh, I thought the reason was cause of the setup?

garmr looking townie is why i dont want to lynch garmr.

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yup im jsut about done with this day.
i forget if i voted for postie already but im just gonan leave it there.
VOTE: postie

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if garmr is scum he deserves an oscar for that performance

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if garmr is scum he deserves an oscar for that performance

Agreed, but at least we aren't lynching a PR.

we don't know if we're lynching a pr.
It might be very hard to prove that claim true or false.

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if garmr is scum he deserves an oscar for that performance

Agreed, but at least we aren't lynching a PR.

we don't know if we're lynching a pr.
It might be very hard to prove that claim true or false.

Of course, but with Garmr we

know

we aren't, which is better than not knowing.

outweighing that is the higher likelihood that postie will flip scum than garmr.

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VOTE: Calvary

Didn't like calvarys assessment.
Not a good play to lynch postie it's true.

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Fine
VOTE: Garmr