Mass Effect Mafia - [Game Over]

[beeboy]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

I wanted to RVS but you guys are so scummy :/

[beeboy]

Varsoon is obvscum for making such a show of claiming 'faction I want to get rid of' and all that crap.
Just in case everyone wasn't already aware.

I mean I won't say for 100% that he's not Taur/Asa because I don't know precisely how they'd play but he's definitely not human and he's already a super strong pick for today's lynch.

LOL

[beeboy]

Varsoon is Taur/Asa the amount of risk that comes with fake claiming Taur/Asa is kinda disgusting.
Like there is 4 Asa/Taur you aren't ending gaming with a fake Taur/Asa claim it is that simple.

[beeboy]

There is no ifs, buts, nos Varsoon would be playing like utter shit if he claimed that as scum unless he plans on snowballing his team to endgame.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

I wanted to RVS but you guys are so scummy :/

VOTE: Beeboy

This can go first actually.

Did I hit a nerve?

[beeboy]

I'm pretty sure that Beeboy is chainsawing the fuck out of Varsoon like he did in Shotty's game though.

So you are saying I am an angel on Varsoon?

That is some pro analysis.

[beeboy]

Do you get off on rolling scum and acting like you have an IQ of 50 and hoping no one asks questions about it?

You do realize that if he claimed Asa/Taur and is lying he is fucked right?

Every member of Asari and Taurian have a cop ability and will most likely target Varsoon at some point this game. Like Varsoon claimed something incredibly confirmable and you are trying to lynch him so obviously I have a problem with that. So can you shut up?

[beeboy]

Beeboy's scum though.
I'm sure he's not taking it personally?
I mean this is literally exactly what he did just a few games ago and he intentionally drove up the 'making it personal' aspect there so I'm not shying away from it here.

What game did I do that? The one where I was an angel on someone who was in the process of being lynched because I think these games are different.

You aren't thinking, Varsoon claimed a confirmable role and you are trying to lynch him.

[beeboy]

Question: What if Varsoon is like a half breed who is aligned with a kill faction but gets a positive result from Turian/Asari? How do we deal with it?
Beeboy doesn't have a point, his logic doesn't make sense, there is definitely going to be scum in the Turian/Asari claims, we were town and we wanted to claim that.

Varsoon claimed a conformable role and you are trying to put a spin on this to make me look like an idiot and Varsoon is scum and you are wondering why I am voting you.

[beeboy]

It literally said on the first page that godfathers and variants exist. So no?
You're saying that no scum are going to claim Taurian / Asari. That is fucking bunk and I don't believe there's a shred of doubt that you could ACTUALLY believe that. So no?

And no, I'm not going to shut up because I'm not letting scumfucks control town. This game has a scum majority so I'm going to be loud as fuck to control the day game.

Sure I am scum for saying a confirmable role shouldn't be lynched because he could be a god father.
If he uses his godfather ability to confirm himself as town this is multiball so he will just be shot by the other scum team.

[beeboy]

beeboy ftr i think your vote is bad. i don't think E&A is being scummy here, tunneling people is kinda RC's thing from what I can tell.

He wants a confirmable player lynched and I don't want to play with RC.
That first part likely comes from scum and the second part will make me enjoy opening this thread.

[beeboy]

@mod is the Asari/Taurian cop negatively effected by godfathers

[beeboy]

he wants to lynch you, man. he thinks your quick-to-defend stance is indicative of your scumplay. it's not a massively unreasonable push.

I am quick to defend scum? RC is literally full of himself/

You do realize in the last game I played with RC when I was scum I spent the entire game busing by scum partner.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65463

As far as I know I have no other scum games with RC just one where I was a 3rd party angel that's sole purpose was to keep somebody alive so obviously I would chainsaw defend my buddy as an ANGEL whose wincon reads "keep your target alive"

[beeboy]

And no, I'm scumreading Beeboy because his positions make no sense and he likes to be loud and hard defend people on crap as scum.

Ok borderlands mafia.

I hard bussed my buddy in RuPaul's.

What other game do I hard defend my buddy in? (angel games don't count)

[beeboy]

2) No, you did not hard defend your scum partner. You guys quicklynched RadiantHorsebells (who ISN'T me) as opposed to letting your partner get lynched.

I mean that is wrong I spent each day phase saying CatDog was scum. I can hammer you while spending the entire game saying someone is scum.

3) I heard about hard defending as part of your scum meta from Midsummer Night's Dream, actually. Then I saw you pull it into play in the 'offsite' game.
Borderlands? Like, I have a laundry list of this.

Offsite I was an angel a role that is supposed to hard defend there buddy.

Midsummer's dream I spent the entire game scum reading Hiplop and I interacted with my other scum buddy pip very rarely up until the end of the game where I claimed my role had a guilty on his so I wasn't hard defending there.

So find me this game that isn't borderlands or the game I was an angel please.

[beeboy]

Question:
Why would he say I'm 'full of myself' if I was wrong here?
Wouldn't he then think of me as 'idiotic' or something along those lines?
He's saying 'full of myself' because he's frustrated because I'm RIGHT. No one EVER makes those comments when you're not right.
See me using it against BBT in paint the village red. Or various other times. Anyway.

You aren't right you found 1 game where I hard defending a buddy and you are saying that is my scum game.

I found 2 games that went against that statement.

Find me games please.

[beeboy]

You do realize in the last game I played with RC when I was scum I spent the entire game busing by scum partner.

Oh how you like to control you meta. Depends on the game does it not. Sometimes you never bus your partners, sometimes you always bus your partners. Do you choose the comment based on what is most convenient?

VOTE: Beeboy

Yes I said I sometimes defend my buddies sometimes I don't.
It is not a part of my meta like RC says it is.

So yes the truth fits here perfectly and that is what I am rolling with.

[beeboy]

Except I never said it was about your meta.

I said it was about your positions being illogical, and it fitting into a known scumplay framework from you is simply icing on the cake!

Like, Beeboy's scumgame is like Sircakez's scumgame.
He hard defends the shit out of his partner by making up the most terrible nonsensical logic ever and defending it to the death.
Does anyone here believe that Beeboy actually believes anything that he just said?

You did say it was a part of my scumgame. that would make it my meta.

[beeboy]

I am tempted to replace out.
Every time I play with RC he tunnels me and I always hate myself because how annoyed his pushes always make me.
I question why I join games with him at this point.

[beeboy]

@mod do godfathers negativly affect the turian/asari alignment cop?

[beeboy]

I wait on that.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

If RC is scum he is geth right? So if he is scum that means he doesn't have a night kill.
I don't see the scum factions with kills hard pushing people who they can win with.

He can get a pass for now until later in the game.

[beeboy]

This setup is so confusing >_>

[beeboy]

Really only way to go about it is kill everyone who isn't in your faction. This game is a veiled Free-for-All.

Sorry I don't agree with this.
This is the number 1 mentality that causes humans to lose because if we treat Varsoon and the Asari as allies we have 18/27 players.
If we treat him as an enemy we have 10/27 players.

[beeboy]

dayvig: Kuroi

[beeboy]

I am killing you because Nahdia make me giggle.

[beeboy]

I have been thinking about this and I realized that I have been pretty obvious Turian/Asari.
I also realized that Varsoon is incredibly likely going to use his cop on me and will get a negative result. Then after that happens I don't want to deal with the crap I will get.
So I just want to say I am an Asari

P.S. Asari don't be stupid like me and don't claim.

I really didn't want to claim but I just want to get it out of the way before the Turian start targeting me and ganging up on me.

[beeboy]

^ I am mainly avoiding getting to the point where an Asari has to claim to save me.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, I can only check is someone is a Turian. The only results that I think I get are 'Turian' or 'Not Turian'.
But if you are Asari, it's all fine. Let's try to lynch dudes that are a common threat and just hope that one or the other gets killed so we don't have to have a popularity contest in endgame.

Yeah I was worried you would try and get me lynched once you got a 'Not Turian' result.

[beeboy]

@mod would an Asari cop give the result 'Asuri' or 'Not Asuri

my question will be noticed one day.

[beeboy]

@mod would an Asari cop give the result 'Asuri' or 'Not Asuri

my question will be noticed one day.

Alignment Cops Return "Friend" or "Foe" unless otherwise stated in the role PM. Friend means that the player can win with their target. Foe means they cannot. Framed players return Foe.

fam

I am not an alignment cop I am an individual Asari cop (like all other Asari / Turian)

I get the results 'Asari' 'Not Asari'

[beeboy]

Hey Varsoon I was gambling whether or not we should work together because I have serious trust issues.

Want to use both our cops on the same person?
It ensures that if we target a buddy it is someone who is incredibly scummy and doesn't lose a whole lot by being confirmed Asari/Turian and our common enemy right now is the geth who are most likely to be godfathers and both of us getting a positive result essentially makes us a unredirectable, unframable, geth cop which benefits both us.

[beeboy]

Here is a thought experiment for you all - what if we were to eliminate all the humans, and let the alien factions fight it out?

What is the purpose of this experiment?

[beeboy]

@Beeboy: To be fair, I can't outright trust you either. Besides, how would we co-ordinate our investigates without just setting ourselves up to get wrecked by other people who could play around them?

Oh true roleblocks...

I was thinking one of us would choose a pool of 3/4 players and the other chooses a player in that pool. So it is kind of our own faults if we get outplayed by each other and we can't let anyone bully us into targeting certain people.

What I was thinking about was since we get guilties only on geth (since I don't see godfathers being anywhere else) that would give the scum teams an incentive to not kill us as we aren't much a threat to them because both of us getting a 'Not Asuri' and 'Not Turian' result means they could still be human which is the largest easiest to claim faction.

I think the merits of my plan are good since we are prime kill targets right now.

Also I am 100% sure you can't win with me and I am only 60% sure you are telling the truth about being a Turian and I don't think you could fake follow this plan with me without an actual Turian cop so it would help me be comfortable with you being alive.

[beeboy]

Varsoon don't get me wrong if you died tonight I would be really happy it is just I fear death myself and I think this plan is in our best interests.

[beeboy]

did no one else read this?
Except Sircakez read it I think.

I was waiting for his reply to my question to vote him.
My peace offer to Varsoon got me distracted.

VOTE: Bait

[beeboy]

VOTE: Nahdia

[beeboy]

I have been thinking about it and I don't think playing with RC is a good idea. I'd rather have 1 person create 3 of my least favorite games not 4.

@mod replace me out

[beeboy]

Please don't leave like that

now I feel like I did something wrong

~Elsa

You didn't do anything wrong don't feel bad.

[beeboy]

I'm going to ally with RC no matter what, by the way. That's why Elsa and Anna isn't listed.
They're probably not human from what I can tell, but oh well.

Ranger has Beeboy as a second tier townread and has claimed a scumread on me but is not pushing me.

That's not town.

I claimed you are a geth and I am not actually afraid of geth right now. I want to eliminate the faction that has the ability to kill me before I worry about you. You are also likely a godfather if you are a part of the Geth and there is no way you are an Asari so that is the second reason I am not pushing you since I want to see if my cop will give a positive result. If you turn out to not be a Geth godfather I can let human PRs sort you out, I think you are scum but there is 10 people who I want dead and you are low priority out of that 10.

Ranger has Beeboy as a second tier townread and has claimed a scumread on me but is not pushing me.

The reason beeboy isn't in the top tier is that he made a very...not-Asari post: in 199, he is under the belief that Varsoon would only get a negative on an Asari.
But as an Asari himself, he should know that he gets negatives on everyone except other Asari, not just on a Turian.

Then there's the fact that the Asari

do not know the other Asari

, yet in 200, he says he's claiming so that the Asari don't need to save him.

Well to your first part, I am being wagoned by 2 of the most stubborn people in this playerlist. If Varsoon wants me lynched once he realizes I am not a Turian he could probably succeed. Also now that I claimed Asari by buddies are most likely going to check to see if I am telling the truth and I don't want one to claim tomorrow if I start getting pushed by Varsoon.

Ranger's just scum full stop. Probably with Beeboy.
He explained like absolutely gamebreaking issues with Beeboy's claim and then... moved him down to tier 2. No explanation of why the townread was ever that strong.

And the scumread on me? no.

What is the game breaking issue?

[beeboy]

only two mafia factions will spare their Geth reads. Geth faction has probably the most dangerous scum roles becuase of the nature of setup. scum points for beeboy

Things I believe the Geth have: Cops, Redirectors, Godfathers. I am not scared of none of those things. Redirectors mess with human PRs not Arari, Godfathers I actually counter and who cares about Cops? What I am afraid of is death though so Geth are lower priority.

holy shit. i just had an shocking revelation. the guy named bait. might be fucking baiting.

What makes you say that?

do the turians know each other?

(guess I am not a turian)

(guess you are not one)

Neat you aren't Turian or Asari good to know.

[beeboy]

bluntly I'd prefer that Beeboy replace out because his slot is scum and I don't want to have to hold the punches because I'm worried about him feeling bad for getting lynched as scum PK style. Especially when I've seen him be emotionally manipulative as fuck as scum and I'm as certain as I am that he's scum anyway.

Seth should also replace out because jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you.

Like you can't try to use bad feelings as an excuse to be townread as scum then expect people to pander to you when you do it in the future.
And this probably sounds harsh but if Beeboy actually feels bad about this game then he's still scum for it and I'm not going to not lynch scum because they're feeling bad about a game so it's just best for all parties involved if he gets replaced with someone who won't have the game ruined by being pushed on.

So I mean Beeboy can stay but I'm going to continue pushing on him because he's scum so if that's going to continue to be a problem please just out.

In almost every game we play together regardless of alignment you push my into a corner while insulting me or my play. I am not going to apologize that I take I take your insults personally. It's fine push me if you want you

[beeboy]

ah shit I hit submit early.

Anyway I was just going to finish that off by asking you to never join a game I am in again

[beeboy]

I honestly thing your in one of the mafia factions and your sending notify to Geth to side with you with all those I have no problem with you and your not a proiority.

Geth is enemy and need to be eliminated.

we're not a survivor , we're not scum , we are human. if you can't see that for some reasons thats your problem but I can't accept your certainty in us being Geth although your scumreading us.

Its just obviously wrong and its not fitting with a survivor mind like you claimed.

~Elsa

Your first point is simply wrong, I (the Asari) have an a lot higher chance to win with humans compared to the mafia. If I am openly claiming Asari and am lying I will be lynched due to a night action many people have and I would need to assume all of those players are not trying to achieve there win con with the humans.

Geth is a mutual enemy of ours and I will lynch someone who I think is a scum and more likely to be Geth. But I already said if you aren't a geth godfather I don't need to worry about you because other people can sort you out for me with there night and you are explicitly do not have a factional kill. That means that once I confirm you aren't a godfather you are likely town. I have no reason to lynch you since I have a reliable way to clear you as your slot.

I am also not certain you are Geth I am certain you don't have a factional night kill and I am certain if you are Geth I will be able to figure that out through night action resolution.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: Bait


I am going to assume Nahdia was joking Bait being obv town.

[beeboy]

Can someone explain how/where bait scumclaimed? I'm not really seeing it.

@curiouskarmadog: What question about Party Boat?

He didn't scum claim, he made a completely unproductive post and didn't follow up on it. He also still hasn't made any pro town content outside saying the person defending him is the only intelligent player. He is obviously reading the game and he isn't doing anything.

[beeboy]

while I can understand what are you saying , My main problem with beeboy specially is her "Geth" call outs while she is insisting she don't want to kill one early.

~Elsa

E&A I am only not pressuring you because I was hoping to clear you tonight. I also have reason to believe if you are scum you are a godfather because I have trouble seeing you play so aggressively without a back up plan. I also know for a fact due to the way you started pushing Varsoon that you aren't a Asari/Turian.

Following that logic I can confirm or deny all of my suspicions around your slot night 1. I have plans for you and I do think you are scum I just have more then one way to figure out your alignment and simply lynching you isn't the best method when I can always lynch you tomorrow if I am right or I keep an ally alive if I am wrong.

I don't understand what you are missing here.

[beeboy]

@Beeboy: How are you going to clear Elsa & Anna as anything but Asari/Not-Asari?

They have to be Geth or Human because of how fast they wanted to lynch you for claiming Asari/Turian unless they really wanted to throw a potential ally under the bus at the start of the game.
Geth is where the godfather(s) are located since they don't have a kill to protect themselves I am assuming they would be godfather(s) as compensation.
They are playing too aggressively to not have a backup plan as scum in my opinion.

So if I get the result Not-Asari I know it is unlikely they are Geth, Korgan and Salarian which means they are unlikely to be scum.
If I get a Is an Asari result I know for a fact they wouldn't be hard pushing me right now as an Asari and I can safely say they are scum.

[beeboy]

Rc is appalled at how every single scum player is claiming scumreads on us.

If you have so many scum reads why are you hard pushing the only person with a confirmable role?

[beeboy]

VOTE: E&A

meh I see RC playing like this if he isn't a godfather.

[beeboy]

E&A I am only not pressuring you because I was hoping to clear you tonight.

How would you have cleared them? Didn't you say you only have your factional ability that only checks for Asari?

@Beeboy: How are you going to clear Elsa & Anna as anything but Asari/Not-Asari?

They have to be Geth or Human because of how fast they wanted to lynch you for claiming Asari/Turian unless they really wanted to throw a potential ally under the bus at the start of the game.
Geth is where the godfather(s) are located since they don't have a kill to protect themselves I am assuming they would be godfather(s) as compensation.
They are playing too aggressively to not have a backup plan as scum in my opinion.

So if I get the result Not-Asari I know it is unlikely they are Geth, Korgan and Salarian which means they are unlikely to be scum.
If I get a Is an Asari result I know for a fact they wouldn't be hard pushing me right now as an Asari and I can safely say they are scum.

I think I have said the above quote in various ways more than once.

[beeboy]

I'd vote Dwlee I would have to reread because I don't know about TTH and Suzune right now, they haven't gave me anything strong to work with in either direction.

[beeboy]

That isn't true considering if E&A is scum they would have at most 2 allies that could defend them in a 27 player game so I don't see how that argument works in this situation.

[beeboy]

telltaleheart is not playing who is tth? I will make a good choice based on the data provided or continue to read the topic. Sheeping is not in my nature.

Are you serious >.>

[beeboy]

"if everyone posts 5 times day one" lol

We both know I am holding back right now.

[beeboy]

Dwlee why give up on the Bait wagon you where driving earlier?

[beeboy]

I swear I am the only person who puts mafia at the bottom of there priority list when they are drunk.

[beeboy]

Ok so Nos is probably a good guy.

[beeboy]

Asari.

[beeboy]

inb4 beeboy is the Geth-Godfather-that-looks-like-an-Asari-on-Investigates
*cough*

inb4 beeboy is the Geth-Godfather-that-looks-like-an-Asari-on-Investigates*cough*

I asked the mod and godfathers will always yield a positive result.
There is no have breed garbo.

[beeboy]

half breed*

[beeboy]

Cause I'm really feelin' like you're krogan claiming asari since you win with them.

What makes you say that?

[beeboy]

what I don't understand is your uncontested claim , the fact your scumreading my slot without backing it up , you call us Geth 'spescifically' without thinking or backing it up , you say you can check if we are 'geth' or not tonight which is impossible with your cop check result and you said "Gath are not your priority during early game"

My claim is uncontested because it is confirmable.

I am scum reading you for pushing a player that claimed a confirmable role.
I am scum reading you for scum reading someone who claimed to be your ally on page 1 because claiming to win with town is far from a problem in this problem.
I am scum reading you for explicitly going against both the Asari and Turian by trying to get them to all claim.
I am scum reading you for calling every player who thinks you are scum scum.
I swear I made all these statements clear.

I said you are a Geth specifically because no Human, Krogan, Asari, Turian or Salarian would so put such little thought into pushing a potential ally with a confirmable role like what you are doing right now.

[beeboy]

MOD, in the SETUP NOTES in the first post, how does the "Individual Asari Cop that cannot be framed or redirected" function? Does it return 'Friendly' or 'Foe' results or does it only tell an Asari if the target is 'Asari' or 'Not Asari'?

I think Varsoon is scum claiming he should just be able to read his role pm.

[beeboy]

My role pm says each night I can check a player to see if they are aligned with the Asari.
His role pm should say the same thing with the word Turian.
Varsoon should have literally 0 confusion here.

[beeboy]

Not aligned with.
It literally says to see if they are Asari.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, damn it, don't claim to be your faction's cop, there's only one, you're putting a target on yourself.

Varsoon I asked the mod literally every single Asari has that cop ability.
It is a racial ability we all have.
Sorry you aren't special :C

[beeboy]

@Beeboy: We need that shit spelled out by the mod if it's supposed to be public info, otherwise people who don't have reading comprehension will make shit pushes and ruin the game over it.

Fair sorry about saying you scum claimed I didn't see that is what you where trying to do.

[beeboy]

Racial Abilities
Humans: None
Turians: Individual Turian Cop that cannot be framed or redirected. Turians do not know teammates at start.
Asari: Individual Asari Cop that cannot be framed or redirected. Asari do not know teammates at start.

Ok guys so what this means is it is a racial ability so all Asari/Turian have it.
We all have an individual cop ability which means it only checks for the individual alignment.

Just want to clear that up because the mod already refused to answer my question in public view.

[beeboy]

I have serious problem with understanding how is your claim confirmable and no one will ever out you if your lieing as Krogan. Becuase in that case your getting checked by your allies.

Because if I was lying claiming a guilty on me would basically ensure you never get cross killed. The Salarian have no reason to kill a Turian that is actively trying to screw over the Krogon and that makes it a really solid line of play to claim a guilty on your "ally". Also it is awkward af to protect someone who you think is scum because they may be able to win with you so it certainly isn't something I plan on doing.

I'm trying to understand you and your claim. What? are you afraid of that?

What makes you say I am afraid I am answering all your questions and clarifying everything I know about my racial ability.

I didn't call him scum on page one. RC did. and RC said he don't beleive a servivor be as transparent as him like that in page 1 , Like I don't wanna beleive that.
I feel like there is good chance for you to be the mafia faction above the place you claimed. more for you than varsoon becuase of all the Geth sparing stuff.
RC is doing that , and for what it worth the push on my slot is scum minded. (I saw the policy lynch proposal)

RC did and you are sharing the same slot so therefore I am scum reading you.

[beeboy]

I beleive your Asari now. But just go back and read RC posts with thinking he was suspecting a servor will ever transparently out himself like that and respond like that

Your dead wrong about what RC said there and about my slot.

~Elsa

Shit....
I don't see you reaching out to me at L-12 as scum.

UNVOTE:

I'll reread later and you still aren't 100% clear in my eyes but this was pretty town honestly.

[beeboy]

I have been getting caught up in the active posters for awhile.
Tomorrow I going to reread the thread to see when the inactive posters show up to see if I can find anything special.

[beeboy]

VOTE: TTH

^.^

[beeboy]

I had a problem when she was trying to wagon someone after claiming she only read 2/20ish pages of the game.

[beeboy]

You guys didn't even lynch BBT.
You could have had another mislynch and Dwlee still would have won!

[beeboy]

Let's be honest the entire scum team out side of Dwlee also sucked.
We all sucked together and that is what made that game fun!

pedit: I mean 2 games in a row I correctly read Dwlee and you refused to listen.

[beeboy]

This is Mass Effect mafia.

For you to push a standard godfather meta as a reason to clear you is incredibly fucking disingenuous considering both me and FA came to the conclusion that any godfathers would be mixed breeds that investigate as the townier of the pir. Ergo, none of these results confirm jack about you considering you could just as easily be a solarian mix (which I feel is the least awful design so as to not give a false inno.)

Beeboy already asked that question and said that the answer was something along the lines of "Godfathers always produce a positive result."

Find me this.

I can confirm that the mod did tell me that godfathers will always return a positive result. That is why I wanted to work with Varsoon because I wanted to see if we could both get a positive result on someone to find out if they are a godfather.

[beeboy]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

[beeboy]

@Ranger Neighborize me or Spiffeh please because I don't think you will get anywhere with a RC/FA hood.

[beeboy]

I still want to believe that FA wouldn't reach out to me at L-12 as scum though but I think they are still a bad neighbor choice.

[beeboy]

So to check if he's a godfather, an Asari can check Varsoon too -_-'

Except that requires a turian and an asari outing themselves. Considering that this is a game where the asari and turians primary goal is to survive that seems like a bad gamble.

This comes from town. Scum wouldn't coach Asari/Turian like this because scum ideally want more people to out themselves as it keeps cross kills off of them and onto me and Varsoon.

[beeboy]

Just throwing out I am also a high priority Asari doc target (the only one actually) so I am even LESS of a kill target.
Just throwing that out there to get the fear factor going in case there is no Asari doctor.

Site made this post triple.

[beeboy]

How the fuck did I post that 3 times.
I hit submit once and I didn't even have a problem doing it .-.

[beeboy]

I think all this double posting has something to do with the site.

[beeboy]

In case anyone needs to borrow some reads I wouldn't be offended if you opted to sheep mine.
I can pretty confidently trust people from Kuroi and above.

{Spiffeh, Varsoon, curiouskarmadog}
{KuroiXHF}
{Nahdia, Nosferatu}
{hebichan, Party Boat, Expedience}
Null {Suzune, Cake Effect, heuristically_alone, killthestory, PeregrineV, Yume, FA_Q2}
{Klingoncelt, DrippingGoofball, Gendaberry}
{Hastur and Muriel}
{Elsa and Anna}
{Bait, Shiro}
{Dwlee99}
{Ranger, TellTaleHeart}

[beeboy]

I can see a lot of these reads, although I'm not sure how you can rate KTH so high when they basically were mostly shitposting, can you elaborate why they are null and several people who haven't even posted are lower?

KTH is null, not wanting to cooperate and shit posting when he thinks a game is bs is basically how he plays. You aren't wrong to say he isn't being useful but from my experience calling him scum purely for playing like this would be just as effective as randomly picking names out of a hat.

As a result of the above statement i am waiting for him to actually do something before I say what alignment he is.

[beeboy]

I can't argue that point. So I can better understand the "meta" of how people actually read here. Can I have an explanation for TTH and DWlee being so low?

Dwlee usually doesn't do so little and his posts feel incredibly apathetic which is incredibly abnormal. The last 2 times I saw him play town in borderlands mafia and Zelda mafia he was actually engaging and his posts weren't off like this. This feels a lot more like scum Dwlee that I saw in Cyberpunk mafia then town Dwlee. Dwlee is scared of his day 1 scum play so I can easily see him not doing anything because of that.


TTH was the reason behind the leading FA_Q2 wagon because the slot FA_Q2 replaced into prefers playing scum rather than playing town which is a pretty shit reason to wagon someone. 256 she says that FA_Q2 is scum because she doesn't like the way he is posting but in 508 she says she only read 2 pages of the game. I have a huge problem with a player not seeing any problem with the fact they are leading a wagon without reading the game. I also have a problem with a town player not reading anything day 1 with the exception of KTS.

[beeboy]

Beeboy can you provide any examples of KTS playing like this as town?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65700
He didn't really make much effort to cooperate with town this game.

I was also a spectator of Space Dandy Mafia.

[beeboy]

I feel so average, I am on the third tier of everyone's lists, and never move.

I feel like until recently Kuroi didn't even know if he was scum though, so it's hard to say he's the scummiest.

You moved higher in mine once I interacted with you



Ranger how much thought have you put into the setup? I am starting to think my problem with you is because of a varying level of understanding of the setup which actually comes from human over any other alignment.
My main problem with you was how you said E&A was scum but you where going to work with them.
I will reevaluate my read on you in our hood


Pedit: That is why I got you as null, I look forward to it!

[beeboy]

dont look forward to my bullshit please, give me the lowest expectations you possibly can

I want maximum bullshit that is what I am looking forward to.

[beeboy]

This comes from how, regardless of their place on the bottom half, they have motivation to eliminate-or-at-least-reduce one other on the bottom half first. If Geth, the risk of being nightkilled is too high especially from them. If scum on right, they want to get rid of scum on left, and vice-versa. Regardless, they are going to be doing some real scumhunting, and RC is a good scumhunter, especially when partnered with FA.

They're still obviously not top-half, though. So eventually, they'll need to die. I just see no reason to force it D1, especially given they're likely a NK target. Double if Geth, single if one of the other scum, but an NK target regardless. Ergo, when applicable, work with them.

Ok I buy this which could be where that comment came from.

What you don't understand is the bottom half can win with each other for the most part.

If they are Geth they will go out of there way to lynch town.
If they are Salarian/Krogan they will go out of there way to not lynch there own team and the Geth.

So really they aren't that motivated to lynch people in the other teams.

[beeboy]

-Sigh-

So many posts. Catch up coming

Nice catch up Suzune~

[beeboy]

Of course not. Humans should be in control of the wagon every single time, and if they do then it's a win.

Personally I think Asari should be in control of the wagons.

[beeboy]

Shoot RC is starting to town block I better claim the good people before they are gone. (Ranger already sold her soul to my town block btw)

Hebichan, Karmadog, Cake Effect, Suzune, Expedience do you guys want to join mine and Rangers super cool town block?

[beeboy]

@beeboy @hebichan

why are you town reading Ranger?

~Elsa

Rangers total lack of understanding on how this setup works I think is more likely to come from Human then it comes from any of the scum factions acting dumb (when she said even if you where scum you could lynch the other scum teams for her). As an actual member of the scum team it is incredibly unlikely that she wouldn't be aware that the scum are unlikely to lynch each other as they want to keep the Geth alive.

I have a very large number of games with Ranger and in every one of those games I scum read her day 1 so I also have a lot of doubt in my original scum read on her because of that.

She is a null read right but I plan on ironing out my read on her in our neighborhood.

[beeboy]

Shoot RC is starting to town block I better claim the good people before they are gone. (Ranger already sold her soul to my town block btw)

Hebichan, Karmadog, Cake Effect, Suzune, Expedience do you guys want to join mine and Rangers super cool town block?

As far as I can tell you're a cop, until I think otherwise I am willing to agree to this arrangement.

I am an Asari so I have a cop that checks to see if someone else is an Asari (like all other Asari have) but I still would appreciate you joining my town block

[beeboy]

I don't want to be in a townblock with Hebi or Ranger <.<

I am taking this as a declaration of friendship btw.

~Bee

[beeboy]

I don't know why I signed that post >.>

[beeboy]

Well Cake agreed to not join my town block....
You guys are so picky....

[beeboy]

I limited my block to those specific people.
I am seriously not letting anyone outside those 5 join.

[beeboy]

It is a fair point. The game seems to be dominated by some of the same voices over and over.

^.^ Thanks

[beeboy]

When I played my first large theme 2 years ago I never recalled anyone having any problems with activity and that game faster then this one for sure. I really feel no sympathy for the people that can't keep up.

[beeboy]

Suzune do you part of being in our town block and vote TTH.

[beeboy]

Dwlee is definitely something to consider when TTH does her catch up posts.

[beeboy]

Ranger why doesn't your post have a TTH vote?

[beeboy]

Why would it? TTH is a nullread. I'd wagon her if I needed to, but otherwise, I'd prefer to focus on players who have either scumclaimed or are actually scumreads. TTH will be sorted without my assistance required, so I'll do my own thing until then.

You are in my town block and the hive mind says to vote TTH.

[beeboy]

Even though you are not a part of the hive mind I approve of you voting TTH.

pedit: Dwlee no!

[beeboy]

Sheeping RC is my favorite thing to do, though, beeboy.

I mean you are already in the process of being globally scum read and not sheeping me won't help

[beeboy]

Ok so I figured out why people are voting Kuroi, so he scum slipped by being unaware of every town win con right?
Also when he said Humans want Turian dead by not pressuring Varsoon he is basically confirmed not human.

Is there anything I am missing? I am trying to understand the leading wagons that aren't TTH right now.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Kuroi

Yeah I think I am fine here.
I still think being completely oblivious to the setup is a human trait as there only goal is to lynch the scum aligned factions but I think Kuroi went passed that point.

[beeboy]

Are you saying Kuroi is town?

[beeboy]

@mod would an Asari cop give the result 'Asuri' or 'Not Asuri

my question will be noticed one day.

Alignment Cops Return "Friend" or "Foe" unless otherwise stated in the role PM. Friend means that the player can win with their target. Foe means they cannot. Framed players return Foe.

fam

I am not an alignment cop I am an individual Asari cop (like all other Asari / Turian)

I get the results 'Asari' 'Not Asari'

And we already have claims coming out...

This post implies he isn't an Asari because he would being trying to counter claim me if he thought there was 1 Asari cop and if he was an Asari and knew there was multiple cops he would know I didn't out any useful info.

I'd gladly risk lynching a Turian

[beeboy]

Kuroi is scum or Turian as well.

You're so species-ist.

And no, I'm not.

He claimed not Turian here

[beeboy]

{Dwlee, Kuroi, TTH}
I am willing to bounce between these 3 right now.

@TownBlock what are your guys thoughts on Kuroi?

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TTH

k then.

[beeboy]

HA KTS voters I told you he would start doing things and be easy to read!

[beeboy]

{Suzune, Varsoon}
{Cake Effect, hebichan, Killthestory}
{Party Boat, Expedience, curiouskarmadog}
{Spiffeh, Shiro, Nosferatu, Nahdia}
{PeregrineV, FA_Q2, heuristically_alone} Null
{DrippingGoofball, Yume, Ranger, Hastur and Muriel}
{Klingoncelt, Elsa and Anna}
{Methblade, Zakk}
{Dwlee99, TellTaleHeart, KuroiXHF}

This is where I am at.

[beeboy]

You genuinely believe someone would fail to read there win con?
You also ignored all the posts where I explained how following his own logic he could not be Human, Asari or Turian.

[beeboy]

What makes KTS so high in your town reads?

His thought process feels genuine and is easy to follow.

[beeboy]

His post would seem that he either misread it or did not read it at all. Seems to me that he was going off the graphic.

Do you think that the statements were purposefully made to act 'derpish?'

Word of the day

What reason would he have to not base his understanding of the setup based on the wincon in his role pm?

[beeboy]

@FA_Q2

1148 explains how is not a human
1154 explains how is not Asari
1155 explains how he is not Turian

I find it odd how you replied to 1149 but missed all my other posts on the topic.

[beeboy]

1148
1154
1155

oops I messed up those tags.

[beeboy]

Hadn't really been following the logic on his wagon all that closely up to this point as he has not piqued my interest as scummy. I only remembered the reaction to the win con and that seemed rather weak to me. You point out that he is not likely Asari and directly claimed not Turian but that does not place him in the scum category. He could just as easily be human. And that brings me right back around to the original point - he messed up all the win cons. This is either contrived on purpose or it is genuine not understanding his win con. I don't really see another option so I ask again - do you think it is contrived?

He thinks Humans need to lynch the Turian. Varsoon claimed Turian and he defended him.

Your defense here is terrible.

[beeboy]

do you think it is contrived?

Whether it is or isn't I justified why he is scum in both situations.
He either lied about his understanding or isn't playing towards what he thinks a town win condition is.

[beeboy]

So much catching up... halp?

It is really better if you make your own observations

VOTE: Suzune

Was that a hammer?

No.

I am pretty sure it was :/

[beeboy]

VOTE: Kuroi

^_^ Yay this is happening.

@Suzune vote this we can lynch Dwlee later.

[beeboy]

what the hell is this blitz

Why not join it?

[beeboy]

L-5 is the current count btw.

[beeboy]

Read the previous 2 pages I posted my thoughts on the wagon.

[beeboy]

This is justice.

Anyone on this wagon is getting written out of potential tomorrow lynches btw.

Also, the fuck is this 'FA was defending Kuroi' thing? we started this wagon.

FA_Q2 is the one defending Kuroi.

[beeboy]

Ranger what are your current reads? ^_^

[beeboy]

While I do agree Kuroi is scum, I feel obligated to point out to you: the emergence of the Kuroi wagon, I'm fairly certain, has diminished the TTH wagon. I'll wait for a VC to be sure, but TTH has done nothing to diminish the wagon and yet the pressure's dissipating.

It's unlikely TTH isn't going to get major heat tomorrow.

[beeboy]

L-3 careful boys.

[beeboy]

We have a vote count coming now we should wait for it.

[beeboy]

I am kind of sad that Suzune and Hebichan didn't respond to me when I said @TownBlock

[beeboy]

You hurt my feelings Suzune

[beeboy]

Can you guys stop throwing shade at people in my townblock? ^_^

[beeboy]

Dwlee, TTH and Kuroi are all scum.

[beeboy]

I also found this scum:

Gendaberry
Hastur and Muriel

We already found these scum.

[beeboy]

Kuroi did you just bold all the people responsible for you lynch and KTS?

[beeboy]

Also I agree with MathBlade here DGB this is bullshit, I don't need to supply cases as well!

[beeboy]

Kuroi did you just bold all the people responsible for you lynch and KTS?

I have no idea what you're saying or if that was English.

Kuroi did you just bold all the people responsible for you

r

lynch and KTS?

I missed one letter ;-;

[beeboy]

I am a little drunk but I see guilty on Varsoon and I like that.

[beeboy]

At worst Varsoon is just a Turian so who gives a shit because you can just win with me right?

[beeboy]

Sorry man. I see a guilty that progresses my wincon in all situations so I will try and capitalize on it.

[beeboy]

We are win with Human buddies but I think you are more popular then me so I don't want to have us both alive in late game for obvious reasons.

[beeboy]

Oh night results.

I got a shiny PT with ranger but she is dead so the mod didn't make it.

KillTheStory isn't an Asari.

[beeboy]

But to be whoever outed that guilty won't claim it in public because they can win with Varsoon and outing that result puts a major target on there head also if he is a Salarian they can still win with Varsoon as a turian.


So ya I want a guilty outed on Varsoon to be safe.

[beeboy]

inno* / Guilty

[beeboy]

I think a Turian should claim an inno on you if you are so convinced you are telling the truth.
That is all I am saying.

[beeboy]

The only people who have Factional Turian cop checks are other Turians.
There's no reason for a Turian with a guilty on me to want to stay private.
It's a lie.

If you fake claim Turian you are a Salarian most likely.
A turian keeping you alive is something they would consider doing (even if it is sub optimal as the human wincon is easier to achieve)
So claiming it subtly like through mod mail is strictly better as it doesn't mean they will be night killed while also pushing the superior human wincon.


I want someone to deny that with a Turian inno with you are a legit Turian.

[beeboy]

Varsoon are you worried a Turian won't claim an inno on you?
It is highly likely all 4 (or 3 if you are legit) targeted you last night.
If you are legit 1 will claim an inno on you.

pedit: you monster

[beeboy]

But like honestly
I think I'm warming up to the idea that none of the other Turians should claim an inno on me just so I can get lynched and be done with this game.

This is the towniest post I have ever seen

[beeboy]

I am going to be real I also didn't believe the guilty but the fact you are giving up because a scum read and a person who claimed a role that wants to fuck you over are pressuring you makes you want to give up on the game is really scummy.
This is bad AtE.

[beeboy]

E&A can you role claim for me since you are a Vanilla now?

[beeboy]

What is your flavor?

[beeboy]

You an ultra vanilla now

[beeboy]

Tfw people aren't happy I am trying to get a Turian to out themselves when my wincon literally hinges on the fact all the Turians die.
Can you think for a bit before you start throwing shade at me? Thanks.
Also beeboy is one word.

[beeboy]

Although I appreciate how all the shade is making me an incredibly low priority kill target so thanks

[beeboy]

So what you are telling me is if someone claims a guilty on Varsoon I should make no effort to take advantage of it?

[beeboy]

That honestly doesn't make sense.
Also kills on Turians don't even screw over the human wincon because the Asari or the Turians need to die at some point anyway for anyone to achieve there wincon.

[beeboy]

Making more Turians claim doesn't stop us from lynching scum.

[beeboy]

VOTE: TTH

[beeboy]

Speaking of votes I am doing that and leaving this thread because this game is starting to annoy me.

[beeboy]

She has been spending all game trying to be as neutral as possible and I was thinking about it during the night phase. Like Nahdia you aren't obv town. (don't mind me not leaving the thread when I said I would)

[beeboy]

Why wouldn't I want more Turians to claim and get killed at night?
I don't want humans dead and I want Turians dead by getting Turians night killed I accomplish both these things.

The fact you are choosing to side with the Turians on day 2 is incredibly annoying, frustrating and simply bad play.

[beeboy]

I buy it

[beeboy]

I feel like any inno I claim on day 2 is just gonna be like beeboy sitting there like "lolk dwlee sure you have an inno" and I'mma be like "but is true this time"

I buy it = I believe your claim.

I also don't think you would try and coast on a fake cop claim 2 large themes in a row so I don't think you are scum either.

Do you like this response more?

[beeboy]

Meh he wouldn't pull the same gambit 2 games in a row.
If he stays alive to a close to mylo / lylo situation then I will consider lynching him but for now i don't want to lynch a claimed cop for awhile.

[beeboy]

what.
I'm a rolecop.
VOTE: dgb
??

pedit sure i guess idk

question if you are a rolecop how can you confirm Math's alignment .-.

[beeboy]

I am going to be blunt about this I have little to no idea which one of you is telling the truth.
I think that you 2 will be high priority cross kill choices tonight and if one of you dies and flips town we can just lynch the other.
If none of you die we can worry about this tomorrow.

Guys is this good or bad play? I am mainly compensating for the fact I can't read the situation to be perfectly honest.

[beeboy]

Horrible. We need to keep conversation going and figure out what the fuck is going on and what people think about things.

Suggesting shit like this only shuts down conversation and prevents reads from being formed.

Speaking of which what do you think of Elsa and Anna?

I didn't say that too cut conversation I was saying if we are lucky scum will be able to sort this problem for us so we don't need to worry about mislynching. I really don't have a read on the situation :/


I was scum reading the Radiant head of E&A but I thought the Frozen head was town as her read progression was logical and made sense. I am starting to shift towards both heads being town because RC is more tunnely as scum from what I can remember and I have had major problems with not liking his thought process before. (when he was town)

[beeboy]

So Dwlee is literally an alignment cop... Like he can confirm anyones alignment purely based on the factional info in there role pm.
Or is "all info" an exaggeration.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Dwlee

[beeboy]

Eyyyy I remember when Dwlee lynched his only inno result.
Good times. Good times.

[beeboy]

Beef boy better not stick.

[beeboy]

That is why I am trying to end it now >.>

[beeboy]

I hadn't read everything and I thought there was. Did you ever think you may be frustrating to talk to when I have to explain my thought process a billion times and just get the same stuff repeated?

Ladies please stop fighting.

[beeboy]

Sorry Dwlee I was joking :/

You can take a break if you want I didn't mean to insult you

[beeboy]

Now conversations:

We have three issues in the thread right now..

1) Is Varsoon a Turian or full of shit?
2) There are two role cop claims
3) TTH (and other lurkers) I pick on TTH because they lurked a lot as scum when I was scum with them in a prior game.

So beeboy -- I noticed a lot of people are "hedging" their bets on the rolecop claims and on Varsoon. What do you think about that? Specifically posting about not being sure what to think, but aren't posting what they are thinking.

I think Varsoon is a Turian, I was trying to get a Turian to claim yesterday because I was being a drunk asshole and I wanted a Turian to be forced to claim but I am going to be honest that result was really sketchy and I think a Turian would rather reap the town cred of bussing a scum ally then submit a result like that anonymously. When Varsoon was making me out to be some cop that needed to be night killed I was 99% sure that came from a Turian not a Salarian since if killing me was something he wanted to do he could just night kill me he didn't need to make me look like a high priority kill target. He also shared his human fake claim immediately which is something I'd imagine a scum would not be aware of as a lot of this setup stuff is unclear. (individual cop for racial ability is actually a cop ability everyone has)

Dwlee is the fake one I think. His actions don't make sense and he has been reading the thread also Dwlee's scum game is just a bunch of gambits. I still think it is better play to let night kills sort this though and we lynch TTH today and let night kills sort DGB and Dwlee I would be happier but I have been told that is an anti-town option because you want to see wagons develop around these players which is understandable. I like playing around the 1-5% chance Dwlee is really town if we have the option y'know? Like Kuroi literally didn't understand or play for what he thought his wincon was and it wouldn't suprise me if another player had trouble grasping the setup.

[beeboy]

Beef boy what's are your scumreads atm?

-SC

I am not beef.


Hebichan has been incredibly sketchy (the edging him on to self hammer stuff was kinda weird)
Suzune has been a MAJOR scrub, still just as towny but still a major scrub.

Dwlee, TTH, Zakk, Klingoncelt, FAQ are all people who I would vote. I am having a lot of trouble reading this game right now

[beeboy]

Ok that hebichan sentence was terrible.

Hebichan has been incredibly sketchy ever since she encouraged Kuroi to self hammer.

[beeboy]

Beeboy, I do not know what it means that you think I am a scrub.

^_^ That's ok.

[beeboy]

2. Dwlee is the scummy claim in my opinion. The way the second one was more genuine and sound more like a town power to me. No that I would not want us to have an amazing power like dwlee's...

Dwlee was the second one to claim...

[beeboy]

Yume should be site-banned and prevented from joining any more games.

In the mean time I rolecop'ed him and he's a messenger, he can have the mod forward a message to another player.

what.
I'm a rolecop.
VOTE: dgb
??

pedit sure i guess idk

This is what I was treating as claim order.

[beeboy]

Did Dwlee claim before 1631?
This is a hard game to follow.
Also Dwlee is still scum, I just want the people on his wagon to supply reasons that are correct because I am with Varsoon this wagon is sketchy looking.

[beeboy]

Oh I am a universal backup and I targeted E&A so I can confirm that they where targeted by an action.


VOTE: Hebichan

[beeboy]

It is literally impossible for hebichan to get a voyeur result that isn't "Targetted by a vanillizer"

[beeboy]

I targeted E&A with my vanillizer because they are a scum read of mine that would be incredibly hard to push and I knew if they where scum they could use there night action many times so I wanted to stop that.
There reaction to me vanillizing them and there day 2 play has been legit though.

pedit: That's what you get for calling me beef boy and saying I can't be trusted. It is a pretty light hearted insult to be fair, I only did it out of love <3

[beeboy]

The last 2 large themes I played in (not including role madness) contained VTs.

[beeboy]

Hebichan claimed a watcher type role and claimed no result someone who was targeted by me.
Please lynch.

[beeboy]

Read the voyeur wiki page.

[beeboy]

Can we stop with the beefboy stuff >.>

[beeboy]

Townish but not trustworthy: Beeboy because of the quick backstab. I mean while he should not be priority, I have concerns.

Stuff like this is what is going to not get me night killed thanks for having my back fam <3

[beeboy]

Oh my god Suzune you just totally figured out exactly what I was doing this entire game. /s

[beeboy]

Something about wanting someone to confirm Varsoons claim after he got a guilty claimed on him makes me literally the devil.


Pedit: you are like my grandmother Nahdia. Oldie.
Pedit2: Suzune the /s was sarcasm, I am waiting for the day you try and policy lynch me that will be fun.

[beeboy]

I am honestly not even annoyed anymore. Suzune you are putting in so much effort to make sure I don't get cross killed I honestly couldn't be happier with you.

[beeboy]

E&A what is your read on Suzune?

[beeboy]

Well it was not a nice sarcastic comment because you went out of you way to damage towns relationship. I have already posted this earlier today.

I have a lot of trouble respecting the fact you don't think I am trustworthy considering i wasn't pushing a Varsoon lynch I was pushing someone to claim an Inno on him. (2 very different things) I also find it funny how you think pushing a player in a rivalling faction means that I will back stab the humans. (an allied faction)

Your logic here makes no sense and you know it.

[beeboy]

Actually it does, but we need not fight about this now because you are not a priority.

No it doesn't make sense but I am glad to see you backing off because you can't back up your own statements.