STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Titus]

I believe they did make some sort of kill, but it didn't go through. If they targeted me with it, I am permanently bp. If they targeted someone else, that person was protected by a doc.

I am BP as well though.

[Titus]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

Farside was more or less trapped by the ascetic revelation.

She couldn't claim town ascetic without explaining WHY she never went after DGB or Klingon or Math. So, being third party makes more sense. It also justifies her exploding a chunk full of bps.

[Titus]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

That's why I am pondering whether Farside would run that sort of Gambit. Varsoon explicitly told us that he handcrafted safe fake claims for scum BEFORE he made town roles so that they would hold up. Here's the reality though Not Chara:

1.) Voting you was her idea.
2.) The idea that it would "mechanically clear" both of you was her idea.
3.) Instead of waiting to get all the vote claims, the idea that you two were conftown got pushed, and that idea originated with her.

That's either

really

town, or

really

scum. You want to bet the game on it being the first?

~Drixx

P-Edit: I see what you mean Titus. That makes total sense given SC's flip. That said, isn't there a super obvious person who is almost certainly the traitor we're looking for?

You meant the ascetic miller? Or the ascetic party exploder? Too much here

[Titus]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

what was the point of hiding math's flip? what was the point of hiding the scum flip? lycan and i thought this was def a scum ability on night 1 bc why the crap would town deprive town from info from a scum flip

Think about what has been said. You already know why the flips are delayed, if you've read the game. I'm assuming Titus either already knows or will soon know that it's a two edged sword.

~Drixx

i dont know im missing a huge chunk of the game
is this related to the lack of nightkills?

Maybe but probably not.

What are your thoughts based on what you know?

[Titus]

Still think we should get all the votes.

of the Beach-a-palooza.

We have.

[Titus]

Right now all votes should go to DGB or NC
if the lynched flip scum than the other one should be shot be the vig if we have one

Ewwww....

Dgb or Farside.

NC is probably town barring a massive conspiracy.

[Titus]

DGB and farside22 are confscum to lynch.

Then vote Farside because I believe DGB.

[Titus]

Titus
if you believe DGB than that means NC is lying,,,,,
Anyways I think Far is prob a survivor.

Why?

[Titus]

wait. shoot, what i am doing.
VOTE: DGB she's still scum, just not not outright lying about being ascetic.
i'm embarrassed. really, really embarrassed. i can't explain further.

Then I reserve my right to stick with my own guilty that makes sense.

[Titus]

so, now that i know DGB's claim is real. she becomes a third player who can't be nightkilled.
third party. she's probably third party. i'd rather lynch actual scum, but that recalculating can wait for after my break.

Creature: all of those votes are confirmed.

*bats eyelashes*

Bulletproof is an awesome town gambit too.

[Titus]

Titus: any way i could convince you to instead lynch in:

"Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost"
you said yourself that lynching in the outside group is the best bet.
your 'guilty' on farside revealed her as ascetic. still, at worst, she's simply third party who was ascetic.

You could, but the fact that the entire group but Farside is refusing to lynch Farside is strong indication of Farside being scum.

[Titus]

@NC, I apologize for the poor wording but the strong resistance to the Farside wagon mostly coming from those who didn't vote confirmed town in the beach event says something.

The fact Farside gambited (regardless of her alignment) to be conftown says something.

The fact Farside denied Yume alliance abilities (we'll more accurately thought she would have) says something.

The fact Farside made several players cease to be bulletproof without consulting others seriously says something.

The fact Farside withheld being ascetic until there was no other option says something.

Farside's claim that she blocked grapes, who is obviously fuking town and she never pushed as scum all game says something.

The 180 on SirCakez when Mastina and I reached an agreement on SirCakez says something.

When her read was wrong, her continued attacks in the same manner SirCakez says something.

Her pattern of ending neighborhoods when the other parties don't treat her like God says something.

Her inability to go after or even hint at the other ascetics being liars says something.

There's too much to overlook.

[Titus]

Oh I forgot to mention the block on grapes she claimed jeopardized the lives of town for something she had zero idea of any worth to town.

[Titus]

Did you get the conclusions from this Beach-a-palooza event?

At least one scum in RR/Almost50/Skybird barring mod error.

Too many town failed to vote to get useful conclusions beyond that without flips yet.

[Titus]

Titus you forgot her "joking" about being lynchproof to discourage the wagon ...

Oh yeah and the dayvig thing too.

[Titus]

That shadow wagon looks pretty legit though based on composition

[Titus]

Yume seems convinced it is though, so you are right we should wait for Mastina. If Yume is mistaken, there is not scum required in Skybird/Almost/RR.

[Titus]

It doesn't change the equation that much though, nor does it change optimal lynch play.

[Titus]

Tbh, it would make sense if Yume was wrong. My pick for Jasper is NOT in the group of three anyway.

[Titus]

@Farside, There already is a good third party. If you cannot be lynched, then Fire's guns will have to kill you.

You claimed you were conftown by beach city votes. That's a gambit. You want to argue semantics, fine by me.

Again, the rest of your post is cannot be tamed bullshit.

[Titus]

Oh and yeah, Mastina and Yume are not in an alliance. Just a Pt. Yume just confirmed that to me.

[Titus]

Oh? Good job then. Very impressive.

-Cerb

Pedit: you...don't know what HER ability says. She could very easily have a different variant of ascetic from yourself. ...

I know it's anti town.
And if some gets info that means........
The ascentic is fake.

Not a lie at all. Events are resolved wholly differently than actions. So being targetable by events and not actions is wholly consistent.

[Titus]

@cerb I got promoted to full time role cop due to my performance reviews

Now that's interesting, a rolecop that gives guns? O.o?

[Titus]

@cerb I got promoted to full time role cop due to my performance reviews

Now that's interesting, a rolecop that gives guns? O.o?

Its a joke Titus, I am not a role cop at all.
I am referencing Kids Character Mafia that just finished where I was scum who fake claimed Odd Night Role Cop.

Sorry. My sense of humor gene malfunctioned.

[Titus]

@Cerb,

The equation stays the same.

Number of scum alive = 4(a) + 3(b) + 2(c) + d.

A = 1 if NC is scum
B = 1 if Farside scum.
C = the number of scum in grapes, rr, almost50, Kraska, Skybird, Xkyku
D = non-voting scum.

It's a shorthand for saying what we know.
If NC is scum, three scum had to vote either her to compensate.
If Farside is scum, two scum had to vote NC to compensate.
Due to alliances, every other scum matches 1 to 1.


Given 4 plus 3 = 7 scum still alive, We know Mastina is not scum. Same with NC + Farside scumteam.

[Titus]

Fire, can you do a reads list for me? Just who is town and scum? We aren't syncing up and that's a problem. I would rather sync up than choose a nuclear option.

[Titus]

@Farside, Yume and Mastina just have a hood, not so alliance. Thus, the number is 7 and not 8. We've been over that.

@Fire, We agree on Shadow. Give me a gun and I will shoot Shadow and we lynch Farside. Or if Farside is lynch immune, we reverse the two. You cool with that?

[Titus]

I can only give you stuff if we are in an alliance Titus.

Would you be down for a you, me, Shiro, alliance? Assuming Shiro and RR are willing here?

[Titus]

I can only give you stuff if we are in an alliance Titus.

Would you be down for a you, me, Shiro, alliance? Assuming Shiro and RR are willing here?

Fire?

[Titus]

Ok. Understood. I love you.

[Titus]

Town:

Not mentioning the obvious ones.
MagnaofIllusion, Kraskaeqsque (i know, weird right?), TheWayItEnds, grapes, Not Chara.

Null:

Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman ( was town before), Randomidget, Mcmenno, Farside (I guess some kind of town that goes 3p? Not sure), Shiro, creature

Leaning Scum:

Fuzzylogic, DrippingGoofball, Almost50

Scum:

Skybird, Xkyfu, Shadow_Step

Shit slinging much? Or do you actually have anything.

Aside frm his good 3p on Farside and scumread on Almost, I don't mind this list. I disagree with DGB but it's more based in gut than reason, so I cannot blame fire for disagreeing there. I'd bump Shiro to town though.

[Titus]

Titus, can I have cookies?

You can have cupcakes.

I only bake cookies for Shiro.

I'll make any flavor you want.

[Titus]

pay attention in class fool.

This.

Spoiler: For Fire

I baked you a cookie because I love you as a friend.

[Titus]

Awww you even wrote my name on it.

[Titus]

Happy cake day.

[Titus]

@RR, I think there's been a misunderstanding. I don't believe Yume killed KC.

[Titus]

@Farside, Why are you obsessed with 3p?

[Titus]

@RR, I don't think Yume is lying or deceiving here.

You're going to need to back that up.

[Titus]

It's arguable that Yume didn't lie or deceive Mastin, btw, but mastins absolute CERTAINTY that there were no third parties in the game makes me feel that at some point Yume DID outright lie to Mastin about the gems.

Well this probably is a you problem then. Entirely possible Mastin didn't parse something properly or Yume wasn't as clear as she thought. But outright saying she did lie is stupid.

I am taking door number 3. I do not care. Mastina said she would lynch 3p no matter what. Yume has to protect the other gems. While I would bet my bottom dollar on there being a fake claim in the gems, an omission by Yume makes perfect sense. I know whom they all are and I have zero intent on outing them. I will let their votes speak for themselves.

Remember when I was staying silent for town cohesion on third parties to start the day. This is why.

[Titus]

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

Creature, there was a mod clarification. Mastina/Yume is not an alliance, so the vote number is correct. There is no certain scum in rr/almost/Skybird.

[Titus]

@Cerb, It's too late. I was too subtle.

@Farside, There are other third parties. So you claiming that is a load of shit to me.

[Titus]

Yume, stay. Please.

[Titus]

[redacted]

I spoke to Yume. I am currently undecided on whether or not third parties exist. I 100% follow Mastina's reasoning, and did before I spoke with Yume. In the interests of town cohesion, I will stay that way. So please don't ask. Especially you RR. .

This was me telling you that you were right, but not to push.

[Titus]

Yeah, Yume. We are not lynching you. You are too valuable even if you were not obviously town helpful. Your buds are open to be scum fakes. Not you. The mod confirmed you to be Steven Universe. Steven Universe is not a threat to earth. So, no. We are not lynching you.

[Titus]

Lol, why would I lynch you? I just want to understand. :/ Not willing to risk mislynching someone who could be practically conftown when things would be cleared up with basically any crystal gems flip.

-Cerb

Cerb, I don't think Yume will be conftown when any gem flips. Do you really think there's a 4+ person masonry combined with Mastina's ability plus my own? Plus the beach event?

Steven is confirmed protown now because Steven isn't scum. Like 100% right now. Never lynching Yume. If Yume is scum, the game is bastard.

[Titus]

@RR The thing is, our win con doesn't show up upon our flip. That's what we're trying to hide.

Well, you kinda let the cat out of the bag now so...

[Titus]

@Creature, I agree, after Farside.

[Titus]

@Creature, I agree, after Farside.

Just think that if farside22 were scum, Not Chara would've gained 4 points or two scum voted Not Chara and hid themselves (which is unlikely).

Scum had 48 hours to plan.

[Titus]

That might be L minus 1

[Titus]

I DONT UNDERSTAND
IS YUME A 3P TOO?

apparently.

Also apparently town is fucked because who got Steven.

Wish I rolled scum this game.

Fire, we can help Yume or you can whine. I think Yume is doing quite well given the pressure she is under.

[Titus]

Farside is at L minus 3 carryon

Titus, Snarky, Magna, TWIE, grapes, DGB, Skybird, Yume, Xkyfu

[Titus]

Skybirds double vote requires using two vote tags per her earlier statement. She can add another vote, but as of now she just counts as 1.

And...Titus there is NOTHING bastard about repurposing flavor and defying player expectations.

Nothing at all.

Yume: are you seriously telling me that we just have to trust that you and the other gems are all completely pro town based on flavor?

-Cerb

The mod specifically told me Yume is Steven Universe. Having her be anything but that is bastard. The mod specifically says Steven Universe gets a hood with Skybird. Steven Universe is not a threat to Earth. Drop it.

[Titus]

Yume: you can have my role. it's fantastic.

Sarcasm? Or why the offer?

[Titus]

Yume, I think whoever Onion is will like you always. I have a soft spot for people who try their best.

[Titus]

Why the resistance on DGB wagon?

Why did you Unvote Farside?

[Titus]

Also don't lynch the only person down to ally with me =( unvote farside pls

Why don't you ally with MoI and Xkyfu? Epic power man.

[Titus]

Tbh, I think we're all arguing over which scum to lynch first but for DGB.

[Titus]

If anyone hammers but RR, I will be very annoyed.

[Titus]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

The mod didn't say that would happen in my role.
Just a VC reset.

But on a happy note more points, the merrier.

Who wants to target me tonight to get out of this tunnel rage from she that shall not be named??

You'd be ascetic anyway. This constant petulant whining is part of the reason you're wagoned at the moment.

[Titus]

If anyone hammers but RR, I will be very annoyed.

...
Umm..

I think you're missing a key component of what we claimed...

-Cerb

Probably. The details were sparse.

[Titus]

@RR, What do y'all think of Shadow?

[Titus]

Logical Alliance:	Titus	Reasonably Rational	Shiro	Baking Cookies that melt your heart.
Stephen's Angels:	Yume	Magna of Illusion	Almost50	Preventing the illusion of complacency when almost there.
X marks the random spot	Xfkyu	Shadow_Step	randomidget*	Taking shadowy steps to win
Not Charring Alive*	Not Chara	McMenno	grapes	Titus's recommended alliance of win.
Shooting for the Sky*	Skybird	Creature	FuzzyLogic	Experimenting with interesting combinations
Assembling the Truth Squad*	Mastin2	Firebringer	Kraskaesque	Progressing forward without teeth.
The remainders*	Snarky	DGB	twie	Creating a unified position

Everything with a * is my recommendation.

[Titus]

mastin's alliances don't have a chat @titus

Not even during season finales.

[Titus]

Because I felt like it.

[Titus]

...really tempted to change my alliance choices just for those names.

except your list doesn't include farside, so it won't work.
for the record, grapes, i'd be alright with a alliance of you and McMenno.
but i'm just as happy about Firebringer and yourself.

pedit: Farside, you didn't know? DGB had control of Klingon's vote on day 1 because of that power.

I do not want anyone allying with Farside, so that is not a mistake.

[Titus]

Ok Yume. You got it.

[Titus]

Yeah, That never happened Farside. I didn't berate RR, NC, or Math. Math lost their cool because we believed them to be lying. RR would give it back if they felt that way. RR and I value intellectual disagreements. Go ahead and try that stunt. It won't hunt.

Also, I can apologize to Math at any point if needed. They're my sibling. we are cool.

Do you gave final reads?

[Titus]

Farside: it's pretty obvious why yume trusts MOIs opinion.

@Titus: who's your second choice after farside, if it turns out she isn't lying, and for some reason we can't just lynch her again?

-Cerb

Shadow.

[Titus]

Also, can you explain your "so strong I'm willing to discuss things that should be kept away from scum in his presence" townread on shiro Titus?

That was the main cause of the disagreement regarding alliances I had with Drixx. If we're not going to be taking advantage of the hood to discuss sensitive things because not all parties are trusted by one another, then it's better to use that opportunity for hunting instead.

Do you have any more tangible reason for the shiro townread than you gave before?
-Cerb

Pedit: @Yume, did you miss my remark or are you just ignoring it?

Shiro was pushed by Math and Farside.
The 180 on Almost seemed rather townie.
Shiro isn't lock town, but I feel comfortable enough discussing things with them.
Shiro has been acting more like our New York game than his scum game.

The only minor reservation I have is their recent play. It's very minor though.

[Titus]

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

If you are town, Titus is not the player I would say this for.
Because, uh, yeah.

I want to think you are scum so badly for this.
Really, I do.

I really, really do.
Because my life would be SO much simpler if the person who has been obstructing us the whole. fucking. game. Was just scum, rather than town in the way.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally, I do.
And, dammit! There's lots of good reasons for you to be scum!
There's a lot of things which make you look incredibly bad and I SO want you to be scum because of them.

But no matter how hard I try.
I just can't see myself thinking you're actually scum.
Something tells me you're just another mislynch in the making, that was offered on a silver platter to the scum.

I'll be looking at the wagon on you (which I caught there being) when I get to the relevant point, and crossreferencing it with my notes on SirCakez and Mathblade. (Spoiler alert: scum bussed SirCakez HARD. I'd have to check my notes, but I

believe

there's a more even spread in regards to Mathblade, with a

slight

lean towards them being off the wagon.)

Not my conclusion at all. I am out for awhile in a bit, so please feel free to take yor time to explain like the whole post please. I just cannot see your perspective.

[Titus]

I am pretty sure there's a boatload of scum in those that didn't vote the top three choices. Seems deliberate.

[Titus]

Ok, I am back from dinner.

First things first, I don't think our third party is entirely 3rd party. Or namely in plain English, I think there's a fakeclaimer or two in the third party.

I think there's lots of scum in the no claimers, maybe all of them.

From a logical perspective no more than three counted voters can be scum. We're better off ignoring the players that had their vote count unless obvious scum like Farside.

I concur with Not Chara being town for now. I wouldn't go conftown by any stretch though. Supposing even town Farside floating the plan, it's not like Nc couldn't use that with her buddies. It is smart.

Scum in the no claimers suggests at least 1 scum focused more on interactions and mechanics than usual. There's only a few names I think of that fit that bill. Mol is one of them.

I reach a much different conclusion based on the current string of events though but I am going to take time to have that run its course?
Lack of kills for strong VCA but I don't like the picture supposing NC town.

Mechanically, Skybird is probably scum although Yume doesn't want to hear that. Two players with events that link to Steven? Mod did say good fakes as well.

I am looking at Farside/shadow/Skybird/third party/tactician (although tactical could work as third party).

I think MoI is town though. I wouldn't oppose copping them since I like agreement w my townreads. Skybird is also an excellent choice in that regard.

[Titus]

@rR/Mastina, guys I literally just put up where I was on the scumteam and got no comment from either of you?

[Titus]

@Kraska, Math was saying things that were blatantly untrue.

Flipping math highlights why Farside and DGB are ok rope targets.

Oh and yeah on Shadow. I agree.

[Titus]

If Foxbird rarely has good reads, why not read their posts and start from the opposite position?

[Titus]

@Yume, did the mod say that you are Stevonnie or just that you fused with Skybird?

@RR, I suspect MoI as possible as the tactician. It's a mindset. The tactician is someone actively following along with mechanics and roles to suggest actions to the scumteam. I don't think he is but he does fit the profile. So for I (but I am town). So do you. Putting the tactician separate is merely indicative that my other reads don't include that necessary component.

[Titus]

@mastina, poking holes in my logic without doubting my motivations is working with me. Otherwise, we are talking past each other. I don't like being diametrically opposed in reads to you. I do think part of it is my fault though.

As for the tactican being RR or MoI, yeah I am kinda there. That's not a surprise. The random scum electing NOT to vote would normally be a red flag. So why would scum attempt the manuever collectively? It requires scum planning. If scum presumed they'd at least reveal how many scum we are looking for by collectively not voting, they wouldn't engage in the behavior as that gives information.

Look at the day 2, RR wagon. I cannot find a scum name, can you? The closest I get is Skybird. I mostly spoke against RR for utilitarian reasons. Now, those reasons are gone. I am expecting RR to be boxing in scum and devising a plan to do things. Yet, RR seems more interested in control lately. I also don't like his angles. I deliberately told RR that McMenno wasn't an option so he would feel compelled to bus Cakey.

RR kept saying me being conftown ruined the plan and made the beach event useless. This is not true. The lurkers who were not paying attention should have realized that I was an ok vote. That gives us two wagons to calculate if scum split their votes (for instance Jasper getting caught).

Farside then pitching to be conftown basedon the votes makes sense; hoping that we could not do algebra given we lynched the math genius the prior day.

Rr has been extremely passive this game.

As for MoI, I don't see where the scumreads are coming from but admit he does fit my profile, which is why I am not opposed to you using your ability there.

I am all about looking at patterns and testing theories. RR's ability was a natural fit.

[Titus]

I have the line of inevitability at RR's vote Mastina.

[Titus]

I am even less inclined to lynch Snarky than I am Kraska. Kraska I thought had the possibility of having slipped before. Snarky has only gone after scum from what I see. So why should I have a problem there?

You want to talk about a garbage ISO, we got Shadow and Skybird.

[Titus]

Snarky has only gone after scum from what I see.

Did you bother to check his reasons (rather, lack thereof) for going after SirCakez?
Did you see the timing of his votes? (A vote on SirCakez when nobody else was, which was removed the SECOND someone else did vote. Then, only voting him when the lynch was inevitable. Then, hopping off, onto a counterwagon--I think he voted farside?--and then, back on when SirCakez could not be saved.)

And then.
What other scum do you see? Farside?

You know my opinion there.

You want to talk about a garbage ISO, we got Shadow and Skybird.

Shadow_step is ten times more town than either SnarkySnowman or kraskaesque. He always was, but you apparently weren't paying attention to his posts on...312, was it?...because there is NO way you can read those posts and not think he looks much better. He explained his stances reasonably, and stuck to his guns. He raised good points, and perfectly countered what little offense had been mounted against him. He addressed your concerns, but you brushed him off.

And Skybird has done a hundred times more content-filled iso than kraskaesque or SnarkySnowman. She has given opinions on basically everyone and backed them up with reasons.

It's night and day.

Yeah, and he reminds me of Machina Mafia. I have made the mistakes you have. Don't get me wrong. I understand why you scumread Snarky, and I think the entire wagon is town on him, I also think the wagon on Farside is totally town but you're defending Farside when the Only thing pointing as town is how much of an ass she is.

I think Kraska is the one providing content out of Kraska v shadow step. I don't get how you see shadow going why me and deflecting as townish.

[Titus]

Snarky doesn't have a good chance of flipping scum. He's someone I think is town. Ffs.

[Titus]

Now, I am going to do my own vca. VCA should NOT be used to condemn a slot but to see who is town and clear though.

[Titus]

Ok, so here we go.

The first VCA with relevant data is actually the first one. I was pushing Cakez/Creature/Not Chara, and Xkfyu was down for pressuring that for quite awhile. This strongly suggests that if Creature is scum Xkfyku is not scum. I don't see him lurk parking a buddy to get the game going.

We look at 1.02 which includes Farside's vote on me. It's almost as if scum had my meta of vote me early to throw me off my game. That's again pointing towards a meta player in the scums. That's also just circular as Farside is a meta player. The Not Chara wagon pops up again, it's all town. Snarky is voting not town.

1.03 all town wagon on RR emerges as well. NC is the leading wagon. So we know that at least one of these groups is wrong.

1.04 - Meanwhile Snarky and Creature are voting scum. The first two voters on a scum wagon when there

must

be a town wagon for them to choose.

This isn't likely scum here. Like I don't ever see myself voting for Snarky.

1.05 - Not Chara's wagon is full of town. Dgb is on RR. Snarky has moved back to Farside, who by her own confession is not town. Farside is distancing from Cakey here, since she never went back when he was under the threat of lynch.

1.07 - McMenno wagon from nowhere. Yippie. Given the push here has 1 scum, 1 terrible town (MathBlade/CoolDog), 2 non voters in the beach and Almost50, I feel relatively confident that this is a wagon on town.

SirCakez joining this wagon when he's under suspicion though is interesting. Does SirCakez not want to reveal which of RR or NC as scum? If he's just Sheeping popular wagons, he would have voted NC or RR long ago. Strongly suggests scum in NC and RR.

1.08 - RR wagon takes off again. Only one questionable name on RR (DGB) and only one on NC (Skybird).

1.09 - Kraska joins the NC wagon. He's in the bus zone right now. Creature left the RR wagon to vote A50. Creature is a non voter. Creature was also early on the Cakey wagon and left.

1.10 - Cakey wagon takes off. Most of the non voters are doing useless things.

1.11 - grapes and Shiro come off, killing most of the counter wagons.

1.12 - A Shiro wagon comes up to counter SirCakez. It heavily not town driven given Skybird used

both

her votes there.

1.13 to end Day 1 - RR puts the wagon over the edge. RR really wants us to know and have credit for this

on Day 2

. Snarky votes SirCakez back, but Creature never does. A Farside wagon emerges after the wagon on SirCakez is destined to be lynched.

In any universe, that puts Snowman as town more likely than not. If Farside was a scum driven wagon, it was meant to appeal to me and Snowman. If it was a town driven wagon, then everyone was so convinced Farside was scum, they'd risk bring labeled as scum themselves to wagon Farside.

Of note Almost50 doesn't look good here but I feel he is town though.

[Titus]

Do people actually think Yume is going to be target for night kills?

yes, Yume gave me my bulletproof ability Pregame so yeah. She's insanely powerful.

[Titus]

Do people actually think Yume is going to be target for night kills?

yes, Yume gave me my bulletproof ability Pregame so yeah. She's insanely powerful.

I don't care about how powerful a players role is.
That's not the primary motivation behind my kills.

So no.

Yume will be here for days to come.

When I said my kills I mean when I am scum I care little about roles.
So I don't expect scum to focus on them instead of influential players

So why the fuck was klingon shot? To throw shade on DGB and Mastina?

[Titus]

i don't think staying off town wagons makes Snarky town when the town wagons were all lead by and largely comprised of town. did i misunderstand something?

Yeah that Snarky was voting scum. If it was Snarky voting town, I wouldn't care. If Snarky was distancing like Farside, I wouldn't care. Snarky was the first to vote Cakey when conftown were rallying.

[Titus]

This is pretty likely A50's town game imo.

Can we go back to how DGB is basically confscum now?

No, because she's not. If DGB was scum, why would the scumteam feel confident enough to mass no vote? They needed derpy town and to know they'd derp n the face of conftown. DGB is the only one that I see fitting.

Would I compromise is no other acceptable lynch was on the table? Sure. I don't think they are scum.

[Titus]

What else is snarky gonna do?

Strong-arm a lynch away from cakes?

Why's he first on the scene when town are starting to perk their ears to the rambles of cakescum.

And never around to sift through solving the textual forest that is this game with the rest of us.

He tried to Strongarm a lynch away from RR and NC onto Farside though. At sometime, you give up and go to the acceptable second.

[Titus]

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

These are post trying to create a connection to a player they know is scum.
Snarky votes, then unvote cakez when the wagon starts going.
Then jumps on when the wagon is full steam.
One thing about snarky town is he lacks confidence in his reads, hence why he's a sheeping type.

No. Those are posts seeing if his scumreads can be partners.

[Titus]

Do people actually think Yume is going to be target for night kills?

Can we lunch this if not Farside? Because we should ...

Nah I don't want to lynch Fire unless he's still wrong after we flip a few more.

I think RR, Creature, Farside, Skybird, Shadow. Thoughts?

[Titus]

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

These are post trying to create a connection to a player they know is scum.
Snarky votes, then unvote cakez when the wagon starts going.
Then jumps on when the wagon is full steam.
One thing about snarky town is he lacks confidence in his reads, hence why he's a sheeping type.

No. Those are posts seeing if his scumreads can be partners.

He didn't ask about my other town reads.

Right because he's testing if you can be partners with Cakey. You had just unvoted Cakey at the time, which killed his Cakey wagon. That was right after you doubtcasted Yume, Almost50, and myself in your ISO.

[Titus]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

[Titus]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

Why can't farside be town and not be lying about the 3p win condition thing? Like, if she's town...doesn't that mean she's not lying about the 3p thing?

-Cerb

If she's telling the truth about being a 3p, by definition that makes her a 3p and not town. We have a good 3pmalready in Yume. I don't buy a second 3p ascetic that only claimed after pressure and never went after DGB klingon or math.

She's evil 3p if 3p at all.

[Titus]

@Rr, I am pretty sure klingon did when tusselling with DGB.

I am also annoyed that you still haven't commented on your read on Farside based on their play. Instead, you're asking me setup spec based on irrelevant things, as if you're trying to frame Farside's claim. Shit like that is why I feel you are Farside's defense attorney.

[Titus]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

Why can't farside be town and not be lying about the 3p win condition thing? Like, if she's town...doesn't that mean she's not lying about the 3p thing?

-Cerb

How about this you vote snarky and if there is enough votes that make that half the votes I promise to convert my points to make that lynch happen.

Promising to lynch someone who has scumread you since Day 1 and providing no reason other than they are your counter.

Yet, you didn't do this with DGB, who is outright CCing you.

[Titus]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

You to take a stance.

I don't like how you're oversimplifying things and forgetting about your earlier stance. I am NOT wanting to lynch Farside solely because she claimed ascetic.

You yourself said that any negative utility roles would be lynched if they failed to claim. Yet here, you're not wanting to lynch Farside because she also claimed third party with it.

Second, you ignore that Farside never went after DGB or klingon or Math. There has been a pattern so far between the millers and ascetics. No two share the same alignment or restrictions.

You're acting as if because some negative utility claimers claimed early, there's a built in excuse not to lynch Farside.

There's the terrible reaction to the SirCakez wagon. She tries to deflect not going back to vote Cakey because she was trying to work with Almost50, yet she destroyed his event's utility.

There's a scum event that if everyone happened to forgo their ability in an alliance that would net town something like 12 points, even after we lynched SirCakez (assuming Farside was town). That is pretty convienent for scum.

Farside allegedly tried to roleblock grapes when acting could murder us all.

She's tried to make things personal repeatedly.

She's doubtcasted town all game.

So yeah, go ahead and try to say this is just about claiming ascetic, even though that alone is worth lynching her for given the total lack of sorting on DGB or Klingon.

[Titus]

VOTE: snarky

That would be the 5th vote on SS, and by now it looks like a duplicate of SC's wagon in the sense of "I don't like it, but I'm also town reading everyone on it".

Yes, I agree with that assessment, which is why I am trying to reach out to Mastina as I strongly feel she is wrong and dividing the town.

[Titus]

So, Farside has recycled your very fake claim in Smite and you're still waffling?

You also realize that the only alliance she finished is the one where she convienetly tried to argue she was conftown from? The learning even starts from the position that she's honest when she's been forced to reveal omissions based on lies.

If Farside gained points from blowing up alliances, then why did she stay with NC and not blow it up immediately on Day 3 after voting? Appearing town is more important to Farside than blowing up alliances, which you're arguing is her wincondition.

She also is a roleblocker that never Roleblocked me? Cmon man.

[Titus]

The first thing is a logical conclusion. If The alliance event stayed, it functioned as an alliance. The mod said if all alliance members withhold, it's worth three instead of one. If all the members were town and withheld acting, we would have little to worry about with the event.

As for the grapes issue, look when I cross examined Farside (and that's what I was doing). I accused her of roleblocking me, which made sense based on her claims. Then she claimed it was on grapes. Then I hit her with my action failing. I will grab it.

The defense attorney comment is not meant literally but figuratively.

[Titus]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

I know it. If I die, then they can be forced to claim.

[Titus]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

I know it. If I die, then they can be forced to claim.

Are you sure? I wonder if you got told the same thing we did.

~Drixx

We can share to verify in our hood tomorrow if I live. If I don't Mastina can.

Oh and I just finished sourcing my answer on Farside's claim.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Cross-Exam -Warning, just here for verification of my post below.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

So, who did you block night 1?

I know you didn't target me, because you said you got a guilty.
So someone in that group of yours did I assume?

It kills you that I'm practical confirmed town and you canot wait for players to finish claiming.

By the by Titus didn't target you is all you need to know.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

So, who did you block night 1?

I know you didn't target me, because you said you got a guilty.
So someone in that group of yours did I assume?

It kills you that I'm practical confirmed town and you canot wait for players to finish claiming.

You're still very impossible on answering direct questions I see.

Who did you block n1?

Shiro, who all I know couldn't be dealt with and I was informed I was unsuccessful with doing it

And you blocked me last night.

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

She claims her action on Shiro failed, and she's the ascetic one?

????

-Cerb

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

No. RR ensured that.

So your grilling me even though it's clear I'm town.

Your ego is just that big?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

No. RR ensured that.

So your grilling me even though it's clear I'm town.

Your ego is just that big?

I only have evidence you are scum.

So, why did you block me and lie about it

Or

Why are you ascetic partially and omit that?

Yume was told Mastina was conftown in their PT.
Mastina vouches for Yume based on flavor.
I vouch for Mastina telling me Yume's flavor.

So why is farside prattling on about confirmed Town?

Because she's stalling to avoid answering direct questions for being busted.

She said anyone who targets her should see her as conftown.

I targeted Farside, and that's not the result I got.

Yume was told Mastina was conftown in their PT.
Mastina vouches for Yume based on flavor.
I vouch for Mastina telling me Yume's flavor.

So why is farside prattling on about confirmed Town?

Because she's stalling to avoid answering direct questions for being busted.

She said anyone who targets her should see her as conftown.

I targeted Farside, and that's not the result I got.

I know I didn't say that

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

Why are you ignoring the point system for beach palloza?

I already said I'm waiting for everyone to finish even if you want to ignore the obvious.

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

Why are you ignoring the point system for beach palloza?

I already said I'm waiting for everyone to finish even if you want to ignore the obvious.

You claim not to block me.

You are not claiming ascetic.

The result is obvious that you are scum.

Confirming that helps interpret the algebra.

So, if you'd be a dear and answer why my action on you failed, that'd be great.

See point system at start of the game.

This isn't an explanation that is meaningful. Either clearly explain or stop flooding the thread with crap.

NC and I are in an alliance.
She picked herself which town gets 3 point for doing that and I picked her.
Town gets 2 points if they are in the alliance with the player they nominated.
Scum get 1.5 and 1.0 for those actions

Well why are you pushing this titus

I asked you to wait and you can't do it so now that the point. System shows it, why do you feel the need to push this claim from me?

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Whatever.

I have a noisy ascetic. A player targets me and are told I stopped there action.
I also know when a player targets me, just not who.

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Whatever.

I have a noisy ascetic. A player targets me and are told I stopped there action.
I also know when a player targets me, just not who.

Why didn't you claim this day 1?

Oh and I already cracked that system Farside, but I want everyone to claim there.

Still waiting for a response from you first

That's not how this works Farside.

I am conftown with a funny result on you.

So am I based on the event.

Which you decided to stop.

And you said you would explain, stop stalling

You really think you can fool me with that? That's basic algebra too.

I am conftown, I can stall how I want to.

Now, why did you not claim ascetic day 1?

Because I wanted players to target me.

Just an FYI to those following this.
Your town leader stopped from finding real scum in this because her tunnel on me needs to be resolved first.

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

Great job.

Because I wanted players to target me.

Why?

I get points when players target me, which I can use to do stuff.

Like the vig shot I've claimed.
Not really a vig shot, but I can convert the points to make my vote count extra.

Because I wanted players to target me.

Why?

I get points when players target me, which I can use to do stuff.

What stuff?

If that's true, why not claim it along side your town proclaimation? Then town players know it's ok to target you.

Dgb is up.

Oh and

VOTE: Farside

So how many town will you lynch before you listen to one you lynched?

Just wondering. I'd like to know if I'll be pointing and laughing at you awful play for the rest of the game.

Let me get this straight, you wanted me to claim a negative utility role and hope when I say hey you target me and I'll get bonus even though it's negative and know in my heart of hearts no one would target me.
Sadly the only reason Titus knows she was blocked by me was because she targetted me.
A noisy ascetic for scum is awful.
But hey who cares, right Titus.

Awwww Shiro are you buddying me? If you haven't noticed I'm not a buddying type.

No. They were not doing what you wanted. Scum had infected. If you're town, you have been doing their bidding since Day 1. The 180 on SirCakez was thE indicator on that. You unilaterally decided no one was cooperating.

Still, there's a result on you. RR says it's really valuable. You will need to fullclaim for us to consider it.

Why don't you just full claim so I can do what RR asked of me?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

I'll tell you this much.
My character is kevin.
Human
My characters isn't a nice guy to steven and a bit of a jerk from what I read.

What abilities do you get if we target you?

What abilities do you get if we target you?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

What abilities do you get if we target you?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

The last player that full claimed inexplicably was mistaken about their ascetic claim.

You keep saying for the good of the town, but that makes zero sense.

I don't care if you refuse to claim because you're antitown right now. It's all about you, and as long as that's the case, you'll eat rope.

RR has asked me to reevaluate your play based off your role. To do that, I need to know what your role is.

Rr: serious question. Do you really believe based on what Titus said above that she really will change her views on me.
Personally I highly doubt anything will change her mind.

Titus your not suspicious at all about dgb blatantly brown nosing you?

Of course I am. But I have proven that Farside omitted things that are lynchable for on their own, Farside's treated me like shit all game, refused to full claim after I exposed them, their Roleblocker claim is full of crap, they blew up the joyride when it seemed to have no purpose for their role, shaded Yume and just spammed the shit out of the thread.

I will love suspicious niceness compared to Farside right now.

2 out of 4 girl could be said about you.
Treated like shit and spamming the thread.

I slept on it and although I'm 95% certain you'll call me scum with my claim and all the proof is in the game and you'll just ignore it here is what you missed with my subtle hints.

The points can be used to help town.
As I said I can use them to make my vote multiply.

There is an event I can trigger which I need to be at a certain point and the level will be at a certain point and a player and I will be in a race.
The race I'm not explaining further since I'll be alive to use it ifor not shot tonight thanks to Titus ousting me.

The final thing is if I chose not to use my ability at all at a certain point system I leave the game and go from town to a 3rd party win con.
And if you haven't guessed by now, apparently, I get points for disbanding from players.

So in short end of day 1, pretty sick of Titus attitude, stopped caring/trying to even reason with her, disbanded, asked everyone to target me so I can get the fuck out of the game with a garenteed win then watching sheeping, dealing with fighting and hoping it happened before day 2.
As you can see no luck.

Spoiler: Paraphrase because it is a long wall

Titus (6483): Farside, do you have anything else you'd like to say. [Me giving Farside the chance to come clean.]
Farside (6489): You should apologize to your sibling. [Deflection and personal attack]
Titus (6491): I asked Farside who she blocked n1. [The answer was meaningless, but just to put on the record she is a blocker.
Farside (6494-5): You didn't target me because you said you got a guilty. Someone in that group of yours did. Oh and it wasn't you so why do you care? I am so conftown, back off. [Not even sure what she was talking about but that was a distraction.]
Titus (6496): Still your refusal to answer is noted. Who did you block?
Farside (6497): Shiro.
Titus (6499): You blocked me night 2.
Farside(6500): No. I targeted grapes. You lied about having a guilty.
Titus (6503): So why did you lie about being ascetic?
Cerb (6504): she [farside]had her action fail and she's ascetic?
Farside (6513): Can we wait until the beach claims are done? [request to stop grilling]
Titus (6515): No, RR ensured that.
Farside (6517): Is your ego that big you're coming after confirmed town?
Titus (6519): Why did you lie about blocking me or hide being ascetic?
Magna (6522): Why is Farside rattling about being conftown?
Titus (6523): Farside is stalling to avoid answering why we don't see her as conftown because I targeted her.
Farside (6525): I never said that.
Titus (6526): Answer why my action failed.
Farside (6528): I want to wait for the beach palooza.
Titus (6530): You are not claiming ascetic or roleblocker. Why did my action on you fail?
Farside (6531 @Magna): Trying to explain why the beach event makes her confirmed town.
Farside (6533-4): Why are you still pushing me? This system shows I am town.
Titus(6535): Answer the question.
Farside (6536): I am a noisy ascetic. Whatever.
Titus(6536): Why didn't you claim Day 1?
Farside (6539): Still waiting for an explanation.
Titus (6542): I am conftown with a funny result on you. Answer the question.
Farside (6544): I am conftown based on the event. Stop stalling.
Titus (6546): Buzz off. Why didn't you claim day 1?
Farside (6547): Because I wanted players to target me.
Farside (6550): You're letting Titus maul me instead of the real scum.
Titus (6549): Why did you want players to target you.
Farside (6551-2): I get points for abilities. Like the vig shot I claimed. It's not really a vig shot though. I can just make my vote count extra.
Titus (6553): Why didn't you claim this along side your town proclamation (or your ascetic claim)?
Farside (6557): How many town will you lynch before you listen to the one you lynch?
Farside (6580): Noisy ascetic for scum is awful. I know in my heart of hearts no one would target me if I claimed.
Titus (6681 and 6683): RR asked me to reconsider in light of your role. Please full claim so I can do that.
Farside (6684): It wouldn't matter to you, but I am Kevin.
Titus (6686): And your abilities?
Farside (6690): It didn't do Math any good, so no.
Titus (6691): a It's anti-town not to claim. Math fucked up their claim. I need you to claim to do what RR asked of me.
Farside (6692): RR, Nothing will change Titus's mind.
Farside (6707): Race trigger threat, 3rd party claim, still not claiming what abilities she gets or how she gets them.

Here's how Farside's claim happened.
I called her a blocker.
She says she blocked Shiro n1.
I accuse her of blocking me night 2 (which if she did is mighty coincidental but plausible if she scumread me that bad.
She says no that she targeted grapes.
I push her for 5-10 posts.
She claims ascetic.
I push for why no early claim.
She wanted targets for points.
Points get her roles.
She refuses to claim roles.
She claims 3rd party role. She doesn't claim all of what points help her do.

She's a third party roleblocker with a race event and can increase her own vote allegedly after destroying alliances. That's really all we know.

[Titus]

Then why aren't you self voting to use your unlynchable shot if you have one?

Nah, Magna isn't scum.

[Titus]

Now you're trying to turn us against the gems. The gems don't have town's win condition but they do not want to kill us (unless fake claiming). Murdering a single town is against their wincon in the show and this game. Just stop it.

[Titus]

VOTE: farside
Snarky won't belynched until she's dealt with.

mastin, we can lynch Snarky after farside uses her ability. fair?

my opinion is that there's an anti-town (more likely scum,) gem mixed in with the actual Crystal Gems. the genuine CGs are not against us, that i'm very confident about.

I agree. I will help policy Snarky if Farside does not flip so we get a lynch but Snarky will be flipping town.

[Titus]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

They do. Farside is

not

a crystal gem.

[Titus]

farside can win by herself, with points. but if she fails that, she wins with town.
there is no way i can imagine her as groupscum.

Cerb, i should also point out that i mentioned (as soon as the beachapalooza results were announced, before farside came online) that neither of us were confirmed town because it was possible for scum to fake a full town vote.

pedit: i'm not sure what you're asking? what do you mean 'affects'?

Well, you cannot imagine Farside lying. That's great. Moving on..

[Titus]

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

OK, I will answer the parts directed at me.

1) RR had an all likely town wagon on them day 2.
2) RR didn't vote SirCakez until they had to. I basically forced them into it in the hood.
3) RR has abandoned his prior statements of all late negative utility claimers get lynched.
4) The beach votes suggest someone intelligent and saavy about vote analysis as scum.

The doubt on Skybird is real due to the lack of scumhunting, and I feel Yume is being lied to.

I think Creature is scum.

[Titus]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

So, you're using setup speculation to clear Farside?
Even if we suppose that Farside is honest, she's still 3p, which still needs death.

I don't see how that discredits you. I have been trying to watch that. But I think Farside deliberately set out to play you.

[Titus]

@Almost, He told me is role was similar but weaker to my role in Suikoden. There I basically lied to the scum about anonymous voting and tested my theory by seeing who acted crazy with the lights out.

Here, RR's vote creates wagons to analyze.

My confirming did not cause people to no vote or change the winner at all. People did not say as much, nor did my confirmation spur town to read. It just proved which players are NOT reading and or scum and that scum knew they could hide. More players voting Mastina doesn't cause Derp voters to vote.

RR didn't confirm flavor to me.

I asked Yume whether Varsoon told her Skybird was Connie. She repeatedly said no, both here and in my PT.

[Titus]

@Cerb, I have already promised to not vote Farside but my town read if Farside survives which PAINS me to do.

We can sort out my replies to your wall in there.

Yume has not told me your flavor.

[Titus]

While we wait: snarky, moi, skybird, Shiro.
That's were I'm leaning with my scum reads.
NC thinks dgb might be a traitor.
I'm pretty indifferent to Dgb.
Her game play overall would be don't care lynch it.

Is the only way for you to drop that scumread of me my death? : (

She probably is just 1-shot unlynchable scum if she lives. I dealt with that before. It wasn't pretty. Died the next day and my read were spot on.

[Titus]

Also let's talk about the fact that moi's scum reads don't really add up? That team line-up seems really farfetched if you read far/rr/skybird interactions. Inb4 "distancing" nope that doesn't look anything like distancing

Elaborate please.

[Titus]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

I need a chart.

This game needs more death.

[Titus]

With the third party, it balances, plus Farside might just be evil without being groupscum not triggering the vote requirement.

[Titus]

I am stepping away now. If Farside flips, joy happy joy.

If she doesn't. I will do my compromise and work damn hard on getting a gun.

P-edit: Oh right.

I remember now. My apologies Yume. Slow morning

[Titus]

Titus. You won't need a gun. You know why. Slow down and think.

Also, and I'm sorry I didn't ask this before because it seems painfully obvious now: are the crystal gems all MOD CONFIRMED to one another, or is there a possibility of a corrupt gem in that mix?

~Drixx

Possible corrupt. 4-5 masons is insane with an ic and Mastina.

[Titus]

Well, I was arguably fence sitting, but it was EXTREMELY deliberate, because I refused to give her more points towards her win con when I'm aware of things which may assist in dealing with her situation , AND because if the lynch pushed her over the threshold for her win....then it's the same as if we just mislynched, except we DO get another try if she wasn't lying...but we're that much closer to losing.

-Cerb

This is why I look at you as fence sitting.
You just said you have all these reasons you think I'm scum but I could tell the truth and be going for 3rd party win for points.
You can't have both here.

That's the evil 3p door. He can.

[Titus]

VOTE: Snarky

A promise is a promise.

Tomorrow, when Snarky flips town, we lynch Farside.

[Titus]

This strongly suggests that if Creature is scum Xkfyku is not scum.

Not happening because you are wrong, Creature is not scum.

Snarky is voting not town.

This is you making a false assumption, off of farside being scum.

farside isn't flipping scum.

I guarantee you.
Your whole damn analysis falls apart, because EVERYTHING.
Literally

everything

.
You are writing.
Is relying on that one. fucking. read. Which I guarantee you is wrong.
Not for any role-reasons.
But because farside just isn't scum here no matter how much I want her to be.
The more and more people push her as scum, and the more they present 'reasons' for it, the less and less I'm inclined to actually follow them, because the less and less I see them making anything I'd even consider passable as a point.

Meanwhile Snarky and Creature are voting scum. The first two voters on a scum wagon when there

must

be a town wagon for them to choose.

Yeah!
Exactly!
We had two large wagons, on town players,

driven by town players

.
SnarkySnowman had NO incentive to vote there.
He had EVERY incentive to vote SirCakez as a distancing vote, because his vote was harmless.
What did he do the MOMENT SirCakez got traction?

He hopped off the wagon.

Dual iso SnarkySnowman, and Varsoon. Literally the

moment

SirCakez gets a wagon, he switches onto farside.

Snarky has moved back to Farside, who by her own confession is not town.

Any "not town" that is not groupscum can, and SHOULD, be counted as town for the purposes of VCA. This is really fucking basic logic. I don't give a damn if farside's town or third party. As long as she's not groupscum--and she's not--she counts as town for VCA.

Farside is distancing from Cakey here, since she never went back when he was under the threat of lynch.

You say this of farside, but ignore it for SnarkySnowman. SnarkySnowman jumped on when it was safe. farside's vote was the THIRD on SirCakez.

She turned it into a wagon

.

The distancing vote was, therefore, SnarkySnowman. NOT farside.

All of your VCA is using those assumptions.
You've had pre-existing scumreads on Creature, Skybird, and farside basically the whole game, with a scumread on RR existing on-and-off.

Snarky votes SirCakez back, but Creature never does. A Farside wagon emerges after the wagon on SirCakez is destined to be lynched.

And, if you're paying attention...you'd note Snarky hopes on the wagon in prime bussing range...hops

off

the wagon onto farside (seriously, iso him and the mod!), then when that fails, comes back on. It's almost like he was trying to get a COUNTERWAGON going or something to SAVE SirCakez.

Mastina, the more people tell you you're wrong, the less you're inclined to engage. That reeks to me that you're the one who is confbiasing. Your whole view seems to depend on Farside as town. That wall you asked those questions with, it's like SirCakez times 10.

My view on Snarky doesn't depend on Farside being scum, she just is. What would you seriously consider a point on Mastina if lying, obstruction, and not full claiming are not good enough?

[Titus]

even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

For the compromising: why?
Why?

I ask.
Why would he need to?

Assume RR town.
Assume Not Chara town.
Both of those are good assumptions.
SirCakez wasn't on either of those wagons, now, was he?
The closest we have to a

possible

scum name on there is DGB, and she's more likely to be a traitor than she is to be groupscum.

If SirCakez, scum, felt no incentive to be on either of the lead wagons...
...Why would SnarkySnowman, as scum, feel any differently?

He wouldn't. Rather the opposite: he'd have that same motivation to stay off and do his own thing.

As for the lurking...

Did you READ his iso?
That's exactly what he did!

And you are clearly not following through.

Snarky has zero motivation to bus, and that's what you're trying to convince me of. Not going to happen. If town is do inept, scum are not as likely to suddenly wake up and bus themselves. They distance and demolish as Farside did.

You're supposing each scum act at the exact same time to do the exact same thing. Some distance yo discredit a growing wagon.

That's even supposing Farside town.

You're also overestimating what the beach event proves. No slot is clear but we know certain slots cannot be scum together.

Farside needs two silent voters.
Rr needs one.
Three silent voters total.

So yeah, all three cannot be group scum, am I rallying against RR like I am Farside? No. Farside could very well be evil 3p, then all of those work.

I am fully aware of what is and is not possible for group scum. When I say scum, I mean "not with town".

Farside is always going to be on that list until she ends the shit fest by being protown.

Farside is copying the exact TACTICS scum used.

[Titus]

Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

Like.
Town peacekeeping: recognizing the issue, trying to resolve it, and give direction to it.
Scum peacekeeping: pointing the issue out and doing fuckall to solve it.

Tell me which of the above this peacekeeping post is?

The town version. People need to be talking about this to help reach a resolution. Sometimes players don't have all the answers.

A scum peacekeeper just tells everyone to play nice and see it the other way. Kraska wants to get to the bottom of this here and know why.

I rarely back off from my beliefs about slips but I think I was wrong before.

[Titus]

Wow

Welp, I am undecided, if farside22 can't win with scum, they can't turn against us.

This is scum peacekeeping Mastina.

[Titus]

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

I'm trying not to react to that BS too much to keep the clutter away from the thread. If I was scum with that, I'd be aaking to be replaced, its fucking annoying.

VOTE: Kraska

@Farside join me?

Also, since you're here. What atr you views on farside, dgb and kraska? Also why aren't you voting anyone ?

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

i can do that
1) dodged the entirety of the math episode, took potshots at creature, a lynch that was clearly not happening on that day
2) come day 3, and suddenly he's nonchalant about creature. no attempts to push him or get people to vote him even though it seems there's enough creature-is-scum-sentiment today for the wagon to gain decent traction
3) oh and...(well this should be number 1 if we're going by sequence) cased seraphim on things that his predecessor is also guilty of. and once i pointed that out, he retorted with "she was busy irl". i know she was and that has nothing to do with anything i've said and i'd never not factor people's real life circumstances into my reads on them. the fact still remains that in what little time foxbird had to contribute to the game, she had selective reads she couldnt explain on the very lurkers who mastin called scum. okay, even if you dont think this means that slot is scum, foxbird didnt explain her scumread on snarky either, even though snarky provided enough content to read him off of...after i called her out on her reads, she posted new reads after being caught up and again didnt explain any of them. anyway back to the topic at hand. shadow called seraphim scum for doing the same things foxbird did.
4) doing nothing today basically

@shadow: can you explain your read on creature?

Last two points are complete nonsense and have been brought up opportunistically when asked. She never talked about this before, take note. Its all conveniently bought up.

Creature is still is scum read but there is literally no interest in lynching him. Which is why asked him to ally with me to sort him.
I presented my case in Creature day 2 and nobody bought it, since then I haven't seen anything scummy from him. So what is gonna change it today? Nothing. So im not just gonna sit here and shout Lynch creature that is not an effective way to get anyone lynched.

what is your read on Kraska?

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

I'm trying not to react to that BS too much to keep the clutter away from the thread. If I was scum with that, I'd be aaking to be replaced, its fucking annoying.

VOTE: Kraska

@Farside join me?

Also, since you're here. What atr you views on farside, dgb and kraska? Also why aren't you voting anyone ?

All Shadow did was point at people and say look at them.

[Titus]

Hi mastin, farside lynch already happened and is tomorrow's battle to fight, your proposed lynch is being propelled forward, please look at the alliances situation and figure out where you're going to fit in.

It was suggested ages ago that I do McMenno-Not Chara.
I am not opposed to that.
But I am under the impression that combo is no longer viable.

However.
I've made it clear in no uncertain terms who my scumreads are.
I will reject any alliance that has kraska, DGB, randomidget, or SnarkySnowman as a part of it.
Literally any other names I'll accept.

Can they talk to you?

[Titus]

Your whole view seems to depend on Farside as town.

No shit, sherlock.

What would you seriously consider a point on Mastina if lying, obstruction, and not full claiming are not good enough?

Actual evidence that holds game relevance.
None of those actions hold scum motive. They're antitown. So lynching her is policy, okay, lynch the person who did these antitown actions.
But they lack scum behind them.

Not once has the WHY farside would do this as scum been shown.
But all her actions make perfect sense from the perspective of her role as claimed.
I don't like her play any more than you do.

But there's absolutely no way she flips scum here. Everything I've seen has just been objective reasons, divorced from motive. Divorced from mindset. Divorced from the person.
Yet all of those. Literally every single one. Makes sense from the perspective of her being exactly what she says.
"What if she lied?"
Yeah, about what?

Everything.
Literally every fucking thing.
She's claiming can or already has been verified.

So damn right I believe she's not. Given who she is. And given her role. I can see the narrative where she uses it the way she does, but only when she isn't scum.
Given who she is, with that role as scum, I

cannot

see her using things in this manner. Because it makes no sense. And not once has an attempt to show it making sense been given. Nothing makes sense from the perspective of her being scum. There's no narrative. There's no cohesion. There's random garbled messes of points which each individually look good but when compiled, are just...points. That don't show a clear scum angle.

But that same narrative exists in perfect clarity from a town/3p hybrid.

There is no such thing as a town 3p hybrid. Either she is town or 3p benefit, if honest. She admitted she wanted to win as 3p. Cerberus was a 3p similar. He wins we all lose. Sometimes motive isn't readily apparent. Scum is just scum. Not everyone is a mother hen scum like me. If it walks talks and acts like scum, it is scum.

Yet, still you cannot attribute the most common of motives to Farside. Survival. If she is evil third party, the beach votes would likely remain unaffected. If she's group scum, derailing the wagon on SirCakez and trying to copy the joyride make sense. Figuring out the exact motive for everything is impossible until we figure out which scum she is.

If Farside is group scum, her motivations were to protect sirCakey, discredit me, and use my meta of being vulnerable early against me. Plus, picking a fight with me let's her hide behind her town meta.

As either evil 3p or unlynchable scum, she lies and withholds, deflects and causes drama to live longer and use her abilities.

[Titus]

Snarky has zero motivation to bus,

Snarky had

every

reason to bus: early distancing for the towncred, and coming back onto the wagon when it was inevitable...for the towncred.

You're also trying to hold a double-standard: why are you trying to discredit RR's vote which was the ninth, but defending Snarky's vote which was the tenth? I mean, I happen to agree with you that RR's vote wasn't an indicator of RR being town (just, I don't think RR is scum), but you can't have it both ways there.

I can because Snarky already established a scumread. He pursued it which Farside destroyed.

[Titus]

Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

Like.
Town peacekeeping: recognizing the issue, trying to resolve it, and give direction to it.
Scum peacekeeping: pointing the issue out and doing fuckall to solve it.

Tell me which of the above this peacekeeping post is?

A scum peacekeeper just tells everyone to play nice and see it the other way.

Kraska wants to get to the bottom of this here and know why.

Except, that's fucking literally all kraskaesque was doing.
Your definition for a scum peacekeeper is correct! Telling people to play nice and see the other way. But that's exactly what the post is.
Compare it to your peacekeeping.
Compare it to Almost50's.
Compare it to mine when I do it.
It's night and fucking day.

No it isn't. Holy shit. Like I hate it when I feel like town are reading the opposite as me. Then I get blamed for being arrogant despite my admitting I was wrong.

[Titus]

Wow
Welp, I am undecided, if farside22 can't win with scum, they can't turn against us.

This is scum peacekeeping Mastina.

One, not a peacekeeping post.
Two, Creature is town, period.

Yes it is. He's trying to legitimize both sides of the argument and doing nothing to progress the game forward.

[Titus]

@mastina, I think we need a flip at this point or to compromise on DGB.

I think you're reading Kraska and Shadow backwards. Kraska has been here the entire game. Their call out on you. Town.

If I am wrong on Snarky, you will get my vote 100% percent tomorrow, that's how wrong I think you are here.

[Titus]

@mastina, I will do that. I will warn you though that going down motive is exactly what I don't do. It's an anethe a to how I scumhunt. My approach to being a lawyer is that putting things into categories and defining them is how to scumhunt. Motive is great for persuading non lawyers but sometimes actions have no motivation. There's nothing that says the why must be proven, just the what must be proven. If someone is lying, we will have conflict. This is why I can tailor reads on some players better but not others.

Like TWIE for instance, I used to call him scum every game because he never posted and hardly voted. We had to fight it out in We the Purple before I could EVER grasp the distinction. Yet it's there. He's very efficient, in ways I could probably benefit from. When you look at what he does post, it reeks of being town.

So off to do your request.

[Titus]

If I am wrong on Snarky, you will get my vote 100% percent tomorrow, that's how wrong I think you are here.

If you're expecting reciprocation, sorry. You won't find any.
My scumreads on SnarkySnowman, kraskaesque, randomidget, and DrippingGoofball are all separate from one another.

My scumreads are wholly separate as well, but I don't want to repeat this argument when Snarky flips town.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Farside Starting shit up only when I am available as scum

I am in a masonry with SirCakez

so idk how reliable your claim is o.o

~Bee

Vote: obi-Wan

You copying me?
I didn't need to bold mine. I had reasons for why I claimed.
Mine is more special reason.
So I'm going to be blunt.
Why did you bold yours?

Town read on Chara

Why would you claim that farside
Facepalm
P-edit: no we can't lynch yet silly Bee

I have reasons.
Sorry not explaining what they are.
You want to ally with me we can talk there.

I believe Sir Cakez and obi claim.
Kraska makes me feel like gross. I don't like the post 76 reach out.
Hard to explain why.

Vote: kraska

Anyone thinking they will be alive end game is never town.
Mmmm grapes maybe town.
Sir Cakez goes into town pile.
MeMenno goes into scum pile.

Ahhhh Fb you know I love you, we can be in game Mason if you want.

I'd ally with yume, skybird or Fox I like the girl power.

You're in my scum pool so no

your loss

@kraskaesque how would you feel about an alliance

lol asking your scum buddy for an alliance?

@Cerby, I feel so lost during this phase knowing scum cannot push anyone. That gives me direction. You two seem bold and leaders. If you could vote, where would you want my vote to be and why? Note:Farside, Mastina, grapes and Klingon don't really seem like good options to me. Whenever I think someone is scummy, they go be all townie and I am all like I dunno.

This has already been pointed out by multiple people but this is painfully scummy. Titus is never this floppy as town.
And Beeboy has barely posted since gamestart which is very worrisome.

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

You should actually explain this.

I'm still open for allying, I wanted to ally with Mastin but that's out the window now.
Almost bby want to ally?

Sure, why not! It's a BIG gamble on my part, I know (bc .. you know .. in the majority of games we were of opposite alignments), but a very good player IMHO and if you're town here then we rock!!

I'll submit the request right now

Ok I sent in the request. It will be worth it.

Time for some early reads!
Town pool = Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Scum pool = Mcmenno, kraskaesque, obi
Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

Anyone else hasn't made an impression on me

Wait the masons claim was fake!!???!!

Adds obi to scum list.

Wait mastin if you thought the Mason claims were legit why did you have both Obi and I in the scumread section of your list earlier?

Pretty sure she thinks your scum together.
I disagree.

I wish you said that earlier. Obi has been pinging me hard but I thought maybe because I'm just losing it.

...i don't agree with it either. but Rational didn't have a problem with a reasoning, they seemed to not understand what kraska was even saying, and was viewing it as a slip.

This is still Ewwww. The focus was more on the fact they referred to McMenno as lone scum, and there's no reason to believe that any town player should be looking for solo scum.

i... now don't understand this.
'lone scum' refers to a hypothetical scum player who isn't in a hydra... what does that have to do with hunting?

And I didn't buy that as the context. Nor did RR (at least one of the heads) evidently.

mcmenno's prob town ^_^
(i'll get back to u about allying when lycan comes on)

y?

because lone scum is unlikely to approach a town hydra for an ally

This is the context. Searching for an SK is outright scummy and suggests Kraska isn't town because he thinks McMenno could be an SK. Hence why lone scum had to be explained.

This is a stretch and a half.

Places almost under scum list.

Farside, to me this is part of the problem with Day 0 as it were. Some people won't participate since the game technically hasn't started. Others shit post and don't do much. Not sure there is much we can do about it right now.

Want to talk about things in the thread so far? You are feeling pretty town to me.

I'm scum reading random and I have a gut scum read on rr.
I will get a list together once everyone post.
Kraska reminds me of badass mafia all over again as far as playstyle goes.
My concern is the arguments going on will just have the lurking scum type keep lurking while people fight.

I have RR as null right now. I have a hard time reading them much of the time.

KC sounds really town right now. I have a town read on Mastin too.

Cool Dog is pinging my scumdar. What do you think about him?

Null.

What about yume? She's pretty quiet this game and I recall she is very antagonists.

vote: obi

Farside immediately comes out swinging at me until Cakey claims masons. Then Farside stops. Once we revoke, she immediately goes back to trying to lynch me, while simultaneously throwing shade at Almost50 and Almost and Yume and Sera.

The whole time, she's building Cakey to be townread. Then she later drops it like a hot potato to join a wagon, with Snarky, who she's been discrediting the entire game.


I have only 1 minor doubt about Farside, which would require the mason check event to be a scum event.

[Titus]

Read list

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Beeboy + Titus) - unfortunately town.
2. Klingoncelt - null
3. SirCakez - town
4. Foxbird - null town
5. Xkfyu - null scum
6. Skybird - leaning town
7. Almost50 - town as fuck
8. Shiro - a whole lot of nothing
9. DrippingGoofball - null
10. Farside22 - town as fuck
11. Yume ' non-existent and finding questionable
12. CooLDoG - null town
13. Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx) - null
14. grapes - scum
15. mastin2 - town but I think she's doing what she did in the last SU and lying about some things.
16. Not Chara - town
17. kraskaesque (kraska77 + lycanfire) - leaning town
18. killthestory - meh
19. McMenno - meh
20. Firebringer - town dragon whom I'll call scum to make him happy
21. Seraphim - scum
22. SnarkySnowman - scum
23. Creature - leaning scum
24. randomidget leaning scum
25. TheWayItEnds meh

Not Chara is obvscum.

There's a wagon there.

@Farside, Do you scumread anyone on the Not Chara wagon?

4 votes isn't much of a wagon in this game.
Seeing how yume is I wouldn't follow it.

Ooooooo how about a wagon on cakez!

Vote: sir cakez

These posts are back to back mentions of SirCakez. How does she go from town to wagoning with her biggest scumread?

[Titus]

Like I get it Mastina, you're convinced Farside can magically be good and evil at the same time. I don't. I am pretty exhausted with this conversation. At this point, all I want to hear is how you plan to reasses when everyone with significant Snarky experience is saying you're wrong and we can get a flip to resume this.

[Titus]

Farside, can you be targeted during season finales?

[Titus]

anyone targeting me will be told they were RB by me.

My role PM doesn't say that

You're confscum thanks

Nor did Lars.

Yet, that ability is true. I was told Farside blocked me.

Talk to me about Kraska and Creature while I am out watching the debate please.

[Titus]

@Farside and Fuzzy, the more you talk about dgb the less I wanna vote her.

@NC, Avatar recommendation?

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are you offering one?
i don't mind switching one more time before going to bed. :>

I like yours. Very suspicious detective.

I was being a self centered bitch and eliciting suggestions on mine.

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I can totally go anime red head trench coat.

Spoiler: mind meld

Thoughts after I resize?

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I can't pull it off?

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i'll settle for DGB if y'all vote her.

I promised I would vote Snarky but apparently the support to lynch Snarky is not there.

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@Fire He told me that

Spoiler:

once the game is over I will have another alt. That means more chances.

Well I hope you play the alt better.

Fire, this is not helpful. Yume has made great strides this game, regardless of her reads and is under tremendous pressure. Try a little empathy k?

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@Cerb, There is no more contradiction there than with the third party analysis. Yume just never claimed to Mastina.

[Titus]

@Cerb, There is no more contradiction there than with the third party analysis.

Yume just never claimed to Mastina.

And that's the problem.

You're given a PT with a very good player and told she's town by the mod, and you DON'T tell her everything she should know? You don't work to coordinate and plan with her?

There's no reason to conceal that information that fits with the behavior of someone who wins with the town.

The only argument that MIGHT hold water with some is that Yume misplayed, but I know she doesn't LIKE keeping secrets, and am pretty sure she would have been overjoyed to be able to share what she knew with Mastin if doing so was guaranteed to help her achiever her win con.

-Cerb

And that's the pressure Yume is under. She almost immediately told me because I am not lynch all 3rd parties. She is protecting several other players right now, and made a choice to withhold the third party because she feared Mastina turning on them. It's a logical thing given Mastina's prior statements taken literally.

[Titus]

Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate

And that's it.

Good job.

What does Yellow Giraffe mean?

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No, titus.

It's not.

Mastin did not make thst statement until DAY 2!!!

There was PLENTY of time before that to tell her things.

@MoI: it's only in LYLO that such protections against a single slot lynching someone that such protections exist.

-Cerb

True, but I am presuming Yume did some minor vetting in her own way. When you claim for several people, you protect them. I understand Yume's play there and it is not a contradiction. I think Mastina and I would agree that you can try to be protown and incorrect.

@Magna, Dgb is a decent option.

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I believe mastin has a neighborhood with Yume, and that as a result of that hood being created yume learned mastin was town, and mastin learned Yume was Steven.

That doesn't sound like a masonry to me, and it actually can't be a masonry, since mastin is not aware, via mod confirmation, of Yume's win condition.

Mastin disagrees with you …

It's NOT an alliance.

It's a masonry.

It does not count as an alliance.
It does not function in any way shape nor form as an alliance.
Hell.
Even the topic we have doesn't work like an alliance, thanks to being active full-time, day and night.

Go back to mastins earlier statements.

She did not declare Yume conftown, AND she did not declare it a masonry, until AFTER people started calling it that.

It's not a masonry. 100%. Mastin was not told "Yume is town", therefore it is not a masonry. Mastin BELIEVES that Yume's flavor MUST be town aligned, so she assigns a town designation to the slot, but I am absolutely certain that there is no message from the moderator telling mastin that Yume wins the game the same way she does.

Stop arguing this point. You're not going to win because I'm right.

-Cerb

No. Mastina made the same assumption I did. We're both told Yume's flavor and knew there was no way Steven would EVER be a threat to town. That is akin to mod confirmation to me. Yume MUST be Steven or the moderator has lied no less than 3 times.

It is a masonry and you shading there is absolutely bullshit.

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well. i think Cerb knows Yume is Steven, that isn't in dispute.
his arguing about whether Steven's win condition is completely aligned with ours.

It is. There is zero sense to having Steven be a threat. The rest of the third party might be fake claims, but Yume is 100 percent protown 3p. She's told me their wincondition and it aligns.

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So any objects to snarky lynch today?
He didn't claim when I asked.
I did make a promise for that lynch to happen so......?
Speak now because I feel in my bones he's scum here.

He didn't claim when scum asked.

That's not a cause for lynching.

Like I was voting Snarky to keep the game peace but the votes are not there.

[Titus]

@Cerb do you townread DGB?

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Agreed. Mastina and I have large swaths where we agree and it's so easy to get caught up in disagreement because of no flips to provide feedback.

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I'll go out on a limb here and say that Snarky doesn't have the votes atm primarily because he's scum. With a dash of confirm-town defending him.

All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.

His cakes stance in particular looks like bussing; pulling a name out of a hat and scumreading him for things that weren't really why cakes was scum.

Nobody is town-reading him either. Just other people are more scummy.

Which brings us back to the game needing flips. Like, DGB lynch wouldn't get any argument from me. Farside either really; but that's primarily because I'm always skeptical of the age-old "i can win with town"

Meh, just kinda wish we were "caught up" I guess is the best phrase I can think of.

I am townreading Snarky. Please it's ok to disagree but do not misrep me. Snarky doesn't have votes because people think you're wrong.

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@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

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If DGB is scum, you're wanting to help them, so yeah. You have vested interest in not flipping DGB.

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If DGB is traitor then interactions there are bound to be off anyway.

I've just never seen so much resistance to a snarky-esque player lynch before.

Yeah, happened in Machina Mafia. I pushed that lynch through anyway. Compare the ISOs.

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@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

If snarky flips scum are you going to change your read on me or not?

No. You are not town at best but 3p. There is already 1 good 3p, and it isn't you. That's if you're honest. I probably should lie so scum don't shoot me, but I am bulletproof so whatever.

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@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

Also this just tells me, you care less about dgb alignment and trying to just make another point to push against me.
Forgive me if I don't care for that attitude.

DGB is lean scum. My larger reads are all not getting lynched unless I go battle royale with mastina. Proving you scum is an added benefit.

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MoI why is Farside more lynch worthy than DGB??????

Really.

They late claimed ascetic.
They used their roleblock on obvtown grapes on night 2, with the knowledge that acting can kill town.
They didn't block me, despite being up in arms about me being bad but never suspecting grapes.
They are not going after their cc.
They have not full claimed all their abilities.
This includes when their 3p wincon is.
They've attacked obvious town the entire game.
Their 180 on Cakez was terrible.
There already is a good 3p.
They were at least 1 shot unlynchable.

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@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

[Titus]

Titus
I asked MOI not you....... I know you believe Far is scum. So yeh, thanks for answering Moi question for him.
Plus after the Math lynch I am unsure of your judgement


MOI
ok so I asked why farside was more lynchable and you answer with a question. That's not helpful
DGB is very likely scum
Farside is probably 3rd player survivor

If you were throughly reading this thread, MOI already answered. We are in lock step on Farside.
You really buy two good 3ps?

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@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

[Titus]

Who are the two 3ps?

Yume and the Crystal Gems are 3p.
Farside is CLAIMING to be 3p.

[Titus]

i don't think that's the definition of ad hominem.
actually, farside is claiming to be town who can achieve a third party win condition.

Same difference, since she claimed she was pursuing her 3p.

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I not sure Far is good..I believe she is likely a 3rd player survivor.
Also that's not the point,,,,,, I wanted MOI to answer. stop defending MOI. Its getting a bit on my nerves

Feeling's mutual.

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@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft you just dont want that lynch over snarky.
Like if I'm right can I give you nothing but shit for being wrong?
I'd rather not.

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather lynch a scum read and you of all players should know better.

Do you even care that I haven't hammered snarky when I can, or do you think I'm lying about that?
Please let me know.

I don't know your roles. You said L minus 2 before.

I do want DGB over Snarky. You're deflecting because either a) DGB is scum with you or b) DGB is town and exposes you.

[Titus]

Yume was killed. We should look at her reads.

I will reveal this is not likely anything we said as the third party group does not have daychat.

Message received, hmm...

VOTE: Farside

[Titus]

Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate

And that's it.

[Titus]

Wait...

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

We have 11 days.

I think there's a reason Yume died. As much as I would love to eliminate Farside, we should figure out why.

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Unless someone can offer some compelling reason to proceed otherwise, please let's get votes off and onto Farside. Don't put her at L-1 until we can co-ordinate, and let us hammer her. She won't be able to escape it by any means.

This makes no sense, what does far has to do with this?

Hey, you got reads?

[Titus]

No.

VOTE: DGB

This has to be the play.

[Titus]

The message received event was the one we feared. Scum triggerred it only to kill Yume. That sounds like a fear reaction.

Why would Farside trigger the message received event? She wouldn't.

[Titus]

I'm still damn sure Farside is scum, but she is not the reason for message received.

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Well there is a slim chance of Fire panicking from Yume's push though. We are not in rapid fire mode. Let's slow Cerb. Today is not the season finale.

[Titus]

Who said it was connected to either?

Titus seems to imply theres a connection to both or at least one.
Are you reading the same game as me?

What do you think?

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Drixx, remember how I lied about my bulletproof though, and only recently corrected. Removing my BP makes sense in that regard if they didn't realize my BP is now a passive ability.

Now, the source of the event to match with flavor must come from either the third party or a Yellow Diamond.

This has to be kept in mind. If all the 3p die, lynch Fire.

[Titus]

I am not yellow diamond.

Yume thought you were and this happened. Is it not a logical conclusion?

[Titus]

Drixx, remember how I lied about my bulletproof though, and only recently corrected. Removing my BP makes sense in that regard if they didn't realize my BP is now a passive ability.

Now, the source of the event to match with flavor must come from either the third party or a Yellow Diamond.

This has to be kept in mind. If all the 3p die, lynch Fire.

I already want to lynch fire atm. Look at his posts since the thread unlocked. It's night and day different from before. Yume called him Yellow Diamond, then gets killed, and you say there's a flavor connection? (I've not watched all the episodes so you'll have to explain).

~Drixx

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Received

The only slots that appear are 3p and yellow Diamond.

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No.

VOTE: DGB

This has to be the play.

YAY

And I scumread Dgb and moi

Willing to drop snarky there since lots of my townreads scum read him. Personally I think he is town.

The rest I mostly either townread to some extent or have as PoE (here are people lije twie for example)

I'm actually working on a reads list and reasoning (I know; I'm trying to branch out) and I looked at Snarky earlier today in ISO. There's nothing there that deviates from his usual town play. I see no reason to suspect him other than Mastin's assertion that he's scum. That's not evidence based in any way, so I've got him at lean town atm. The big reservation I have with that read is the fact that people we given a wagon to just sheep and it wouldn't go, which implies scum didn't want it to go, which raises questions.

~Drixx

Same thing happened with Math though...and I was a big deterrent.

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VOTE: DGB

If Farside is scum, there MUST be more than one way to eliminate her. As much as it pains me to do so, we should lynch DGB today.

I just cannot see Firebringer freaking out over Yume. He's probably town.

[Titus]

Seriously, everytime you bring up voting me its because of what I said to Yume.
They are correlated events.

It happened Day 1 in this game.
Its happening now.

You can be honest you know for once.
Just say:

"I do not have a scumread on Firebringer, I just want to Policy him out of the game"

You lying about a scumread is kind of disgusting or maybe your just scum.

I'm starting to scum read you because you are posting far differently since the thread unlock than you were before. Am I bothered by your personal attacks against someone I like? Yep. If I wanted to PL you for that seriously, I would have pushed to do so long before now.

~Drixx

Do you really think Fire triggers just after Yume calls him Yellow Diamond?

We can play lynch not nice people, but should we?


@Fire, what are your reads?

[Titus]

Hey Fire, your reads please.

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@Drixx, The event is a scum event. Even if Fire hated Yume, triggering the event now

seems to be a fear event

. They apparently could trigger at nightfall, but they triggered at day. Why?

Mod

, When was the last possible moment to trigger Message Received? Could it be triggered by any member of the scumteam? Do we have any idea of the score now since it is over?

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Mod

, When was the last possible moment to trigger Message Received? Could it be triggered by any member of the scumteam? Do we have any idea of the score now since it is over?

I can not speak towards the specific nature of any of the scum team's Factional Events.
Message Received's 'action foregoing' effect is still in play and will remain in play until otherwise stated, even though the event itself is not ongoing.

Wait, so we can still die even though the event resolved? So if we don't forgo more can die?

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hey Titus
we should ally tonight...I think you will be very interested in what I have to say

Fuzzy, I already promised RR and Shiro I would ally with them though, on a scale of 1-10, how important is it that you tell me?

[Titus]

I need to sleep on things. I still think DGB is the right play but maybe not. It's after midnight here.

[Titus]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
xk/shadow/creature
snarky/random
fuzzy/sky/twie
farside/kraska/fire

This look good? Speak now.

Farside doesn't ally with anyone and I am more than my sex parts.

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@magna, can y'all observe each other's hoods?

@grapes, Assuming that was a hammer, I need a read to figure things out on DGB.

Can you type the wagon?

[Titus]

Basically in the hood, I was going to get a Suikoden style claim from X and Yume is dead before that could be plotted. Probably paranoia, but I gotta document it if I am honest.

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oh so you only get points from disbanding and not the alliance itself?

No points for getting into an alliance.
Just when/if I disband the alliancr.

ok then we're allying ^_^

Yah!!!

I need a pt to rant in.
NC has been wonderful towards my cursing.

Oh what shit.

You can ask the mod for a PT to rant in.
And you can set a disband trigger.

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Oh and Farside

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67827

There you go.

I was a gunsmith that lasted for several days and caught scum every day but one with the checks when working with Shiro. The latter half was me.

So with all do respect, I am damn good at this game when going and no bullshit distractions.

[Titus]

Sleepy.

[Titus]

Ok, that is what I thought.

I am suspicious of Xfku though. He needs to fullclaim to you, but do not fullclaim to him until we trust X.

[Titus]

he's peridot

I am aware of the claim McMenno.

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i'm glad we didn't. there was no way farside was responsible for that Yume kill.

Walk me through the reasoning please? I'll reciprocate, but I'm trying to figure out why you're dismissing Farside as a suspect.

Also we should have been the one's to hammer, regardless of who it was. Anyone who doesn't realize why

really

hasn't been paying attention.

~Drixx

There is absolutely no link between Farside not triggering the event and her alignment.

Why kill Yume

now

? At that particular moment, the heat was coming off Farside. Giving six additional days and resetting doesn't make sense for Farside if she has the trigger.

[Titus]

McMenno, what's your TWIE read?

[Titus]

my twie read... well I certainly wouldn't mind lynching them

also titus, have you come to terms with the fact that it's EXTREMELY unlikely for farside to be scum?

I was thinking about this last night.

Farside needs 7+ scum or TWIE scum, most likely. It's not certain.

[Titus]

Not need, just highly likely.

Farside needs two to cover.
Skybird had one cover.
That means 3 covers.
Cakey was dead so he cannot cover.

So that means
Skybird DGB
Farside Doe Doe2
Cakey

(DGB can be exchanged)

Yet that requires DGB to be in communication with the scumteam, otherwise she would not know whom to cover.

On D1, she was allied with Klingon and claimed traitor. Do she could not have been in communication then.
On d2, DGB was allied with Mastina against her will. (it's the only way things make sense with Mastina's claims).
With D1 and D2 eliminated, DGB would need to be allied with scum d3 or have a hood mechanic.

DGB was aligned with TWIE.

[Titus]

I have allied with mastin every single episode except episode one, including this one

Yes, that was d2. You submitted but it failed.