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Post #154 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:42 am
Postby Davsto »
In post 143, Accountant wrote:A more accurate comparison would be something like a prophet who tells everyone about the teachings of God. Only it's not God, it's the absolute and perfect moral system that judges the entire universe and has the highest possible authority.
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Post #160 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:44 am
Postby Davsto »
Also I have like 6 spaces left on my Bingo board and I can't think of other things
For the record, this bingo board is not mocking Accountant, it's just phrases or things that I see frequently pop up from either side in discussions with him. It's mocking the discussions that occur, rather than the persons taking part.
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Post #171 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:53 am
Postby Davsto »
In post 166, Accountant wrote:I'm fine with Davsto's bingo board. Lord knows I'm tired of hearing the same worn out old arguments("but muh freedom of speech" "but muh free will" "oh noez 1984/north korea/hitler/crusades" "deus vult hahahahaha")
Pretty much this - within like the last month, virtually every discussion with Accountant has been a rehash of the same argument
In post 46, Showtime wrote:Which, a), will not have the one hundred percent success rate necessary to have your proposed utopia not become 1984, and b), doesn't actually answer the question that was raised (albeit raised by satire) regarding what it is you do with those who don't convert.
They'll be placed in schools until they do.
Forcing someone to learn behaviors to integrate into society is forced re-education. If it was a "hey, come on in, if you don't like it that's ok" thing then that's different. This is not.
I agree it is forced re-education
Where they say "it's forced re-education" as it being a bad thing, and your reaction is essentially "so what if it is, what's wrong with that?"
In post 353, Sesq wrote:If I'm not seeing them, they aren't self-evident. Explain your shit.
Do I need to amend "self-evident" to "self-evident to any sane person"?
Sorry, but are you calling literally every other person on this site insane? Because that's really quite offensive.
I'm calling everyone who can't see obvious truths like "justice is good" insane. Anyone who thinks justice is bad is insane.
I don't believe that justice is good, for example I don't believe the correct response to someone committing murder is to kill them (as is your view on justice), and I am definitely not alone in that view.
Your head is so far up your arse that I can't tell which end is speaking
????????
Okay, maybe that was a bit harsh, but the point is that I guarantee you that
every single one
of those cult members also thought they were 100% right with absolute certainty based on things that they think should be obvious (despite them being unwilling/unable to back it up), just like you. You asserting that you're right is just like them asserting that they are right.
Your head is so far up your arse that I can't tell which end is speaking
????????
Okay, maybe that was a bit harsh, but the point is that I guarantee you that
every single one
of those cult members also thought they were 100% right with absolute certainty based on things that they think should be obvious (despite them being unwilling/unable to back it up), just like you. You asserting that you're right is just like them asserting that they are right.
And Christians will think they are right about God 100% with absolute certainty. So will Muslims. Atheists too. Republicans think they are 100% right with absolute certainty. There's probably someone out there who thinks that toilet paper should be rolled with the paper facing the wall, and believes they are right 100% with absolute certainty.
In general, people think they are right. This is not a startling new insight.
...Right. You're really good at missing the point aren't you?
Actually, you've provided a good example - out of all of those groups, some of them are inevitably wrong. What makes you think that there's no chance that you're wrong, even though you know that there are groups of people who are wrong about things that they believe they are 100% right about?
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Post #614 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:17 am
Postby Davsto »
In post 613, Chevre wrote:Accountant, stop. No one here is buying what you're selling, despite months of you pushing it. No one seems to get the apparently "self-evident" truths of morality and you are unable to explain them, so what's the point of continuing onward?
You and I and several others on this site have put forward arguments that the community thought outrageous. In the end no one really agrees, or changes their mind. All the consequences fall back on you. You tarnish your social capital, you're accused of being a Westboro Baptist Church member, or a psychopath. So the sooner you realize everyone just thinks you are absolutely idiotic in your thoughts, the sooner you can keep your mouth shut on the topic and share your opinion on things that people actually care about and want to listen to.
I mean, no offence, but can we not tell Accountant to stop? It's the people who are asking him that should really know better, and when people keep asking it's only polite to keep replying. You can't say that people don't care about it while that is still happening.
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Post #865 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:31 pm
Postby Davsto »
So would you say that Karl Plagge, a Nazi party member who worked in the army and used these positions to save 1240 Jews, was a bad person as he disobeyed his orders just so he could save lives?
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Post #906 (isolation #22) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:50 am
Postby Davsto »
In post 880, Accountant wrote:You are 100% a coward if you choose to appease your warm, fuzzy feelings by saving the Jews and abandoning the righteousness that comes from knowing you have followed all your principles to the letter and have the moral high ground.
Really? Because I'd say that those are the brave ones - risking the lives of them and potentially their families to save the lives of innocents.
Those who kill innocents because they were told to and deal with the moral burden by acting like they have no culpability and blaming it all on those giving the orders? Those are the cowardly ones in comparison.
I think this is the first time a post on MS has actually made me feel ill. Congratulations, I suppose.
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Post #1066 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:22 pm
Postby Davsto »
Who wants a long-term avatar bet regarding which comes first - the majority of people following Accountant's utopian ideals or the heat death of the solar system? Id say it's pretty close.
Yeah, I mean it's not like we live in a real world now, is it?
You say this sarcastically, but I most certainly do not live in the pathetic, blighted universe you call the real world. I live in nothing less than paradise - you may check my location to confirm this. It's not that I'm completely detached from reality, but it's more akin to me having two universes that I exist in. Of course, I'd choose to "live in" the perfect one and "impose its existence" on the imperfect one in order to make both universes perfect so others can enjoy the same beauty I see. When you tell me that such and such isn't how things "really work" or isn't "conforming to the laws of reality", it's like I am living in Canada and telling you about the beautiful snow and you are living in Egypt and complain to me that snow isn't how the weather really works. What a short-sighted point of view!
No it's like you telling me there
must
be a way to have snow all the time in Egypt because you can imagine it snowing in Egypt
You can't impose unreality onto reality. That's not how it works. Your magical dream world, if not bound by the laws of logic and reality, cannot exist in the real world where logic and reality are things that exist.
You may call this "short-sighted", but I prefer to call it basic sense.
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Post #1453 (isolation #37) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:03 am
Postby Davsto »
It's one of those Anglo-American spelling/language differences which I actually couldn't care less about but thought it would be a good punchline to that rather jokey post
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Post #1469 (isolation #38) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:19 am
Postby Davsto »
i love it when a new person joins the thread because they decide to argue the exact same points everyone else already has as if it's going to make much difference when they ask it
As much as I disagree with Accountant's philosophies, I still find the mindset interesting when new points are expanded upon, but when the points being asked are the same ones as always and the answer is the same one as always it's just dull and frustrating for every party involved
In post 1587, Davsto wrote:I never understood the phrase "have your cake and eat it too"
Like, in what world would someone have a cake and then
not
eat it?
Well typically the idea is that they like the idea of having a big cake that they can eat whenever they want, but once they eat it, it's gone, and so is that idea of the cake that they have for whenever they want. Similar problem to things like Ether. "There's a limited amount of this stuff and it's really useful, so though I want to use it, I need to save it for when I really need it". Having your Ether and using it too would be being able to use the Ether and still have it in your bag if you need it later. Make sense, or should I try a non-RPG metaphor?
I get it now, it just seems like weirdly clunky wording
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Post #2164 (isolation #50) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:00 pm
Postby Davsto »
In post 2127, Accountant wrote:More relevantly, I wouldn't consider myself a fascist or a communist. Fascists think that a strong, authoritarian leader is the best way to keep the country economically strong and safe from outside harm. I think a strong, authoritarian leader is the best way to set things in order. A "nation" needs a "leader". If there is a "nation" but no "leader", it is a violation of the structured way in which the world should be built. A nation without a dictator may be compared to a baby that is born without a heart, brain, eyes or internal organs, who has skin transparent as glass. Is it still a baby? Maybe in a technical sense, but everything that makes it a baby is gone, replaced by something alien and wrong. It is a disgusting sight, and there is nothing I can do but shudder in revulsion every time I see someone coo over this dead thing and tell me what a fine child they are and how amazing they'll be when they grow up.
Equally I am not a communist. The communist believes that each person should contribute according to their ability and receive according to their need. I believe that each person should receive as much as they want as long as they contribute according to their function. If there is not enough ability to perform this function, it is the responsibility of the person to increase their own ability to perform their function and fulfil their concept. You wouldn't open up a clock and go to each individual gear and say "it's okay if you don't turn, as long as you do your turning to your best of your ability". No. That is the behavior of a madman. You must say, "you are a cog. You
must
turn. To fail to turn is to abandon your identity as a cog. You would essentially be commiting suicide."
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Post #2167 (isolation #51) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:34 pm
Postby Davsto »
In post 2165, Accountant wrote:My philosophy is the exact opposite of Rapture. Rapture is characterized by individualistic behavior where each individual "endeavours to improve their own postion" (Ryan's great chain). In Utopia, everyone's position is already determined by their function, which is what hey are best at. They perform these functions to contribute to a perfect society, rather than selfishly improving their own lot.
EDIT: Ryan is also heavily against authoritarianism, claiming that taxes, censorship and regulation are evil.
Yeah I know the ideals are different, I was just commenting on how the words you used in that post sounded like words which could just as easily be coming out of Ryan's mouth.
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Post #2325 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:06 am
Postby Davsto »
In post 2319, Accountant wrote:It's true that I said earlier that me saying "I am actually God" is me claiming to be God, but that does not mean that I claimed to be God
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Post #2422 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:01 pm
Postby Davsto »
I cant wait for accountants utopia
such wondrous events occurring like a natural disaster killing hundreds but accountant offering no help from the government as they can bend reality and think it didnt happen
You can't just ignore problems and act like they never happened. Every single person here can see that your act of "reality bending" where you simultaneously did and did not claim something is little more than delusion or denial.
