Newbie 1979 | Good Jams | (Game Over)

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First

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Town

VOTE: Poyzin

I call your bluff!

VOTE: Insomnia

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@Luca @BS and I though 1969 had a lot of replacements...

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Enchantress what do you think of my reads so far?

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Do you have any mafia experience or is this your first game ever?

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Being a somewhat fresh newb myself I wouldn't look too much into how poyzin entered. My first game on the site I was town and said something along the lines of, "I'm not going to vote for anyone today because it is Thanksgiving." Then Luca voted for me... do you remember that Luca because I do.

VOTE: Luca

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VOTE: Blatant Scum

Their name says it all.

This is my first forum mafia game. It's a little weird not getting to see people's reactions. Oh and I'm obviously town.

What makes you obviously town?

[dsjstr]

That songs a banger!

[dsjstr]

I like how insomnia is trying to solve the game but tbh after looking at your history in newbie games I am going to be cautious. I would say that the enchantress is acting differently than her scum games but it has also been a hot minute.

[dsjstr]

I really only looked at your intros and what role you were, I don't know what happened nor will I ask but it sounds like whatever happened was for the best for you.

[dsjstr]

Spoiler:

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

these jams got me thinking im ready to hammer now... am i right guys? I think we probably have all scum but 1 targeted right now..i am not quite sure how many scum is in this damn town.

2 scum, with ten days for D1 I don't think lynching with 8 days left is an optimal strat. There is still more info that could be gathered in order to help piece together the puzzle. Two slots have not even joined the game yet, how do you know they aren't both mafia?

[dsjstr]

Just realized Eth0s has the second most posts... lets get some activity.

VOTE: dawoodle

[dsjstr]

That's L-2.

Right! Sorry

[dsjstr]

im wanting to get a couple more post from Luca and dsjstr

I've posted a similar amount as you, but what would you like to hear from me? Any questions or just unsure of where I stand because most of my posts have been neutral.

[dsjstr]

The interaction around Billy's vote for Blatant was strange. The evolution of explanation for Billy's vote was suspect. On the other hand, since the first day, most of Blatant's posts have either been defensive or just general process. I have not seen what I would consider scum hunting from him and the aggressive push against Billy's vote is one piece of that.

For dsjstr, he put a vote on me to "get some activity" (#77) and in the day since, his only activity has been confirming that it was an L-2 vote (#79) and justifying his lack of posts by saying it was comparable to Ima's number of posts (#122). If he actually wanted some activity, I would expect him to post.

For luca, his lack of activity concerns me. As Billy pointed out, he was supposedly catching up in "a few hours" a day ago, and has been silent ever since. If he starts posting and interacting, I will reevaluate based on his behavior.

Most of these reads are made under the assumption that I am a villager. As a townie, the wolves should be happy that suspicion is on me and would avoid scumhunting for the easy mislynch. Regardless of whether I am town or not though, villagers should still be looking for the second scum which seems to be lacking.

It was to get other people to be active, getting someone closer to a lynch allows for the game to progress and for knowledge and information to be shared.

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Actually yea i have committed to it now. VOTE: dsjstr I think if we have to get rid of someone today it should be dsjstr or Luca.

How would lynching me help town D2? Do you think I am associated with someone? Can you provide some more context to your vote when you wanted to hear more from me then proceeded to not prob me and then immediately jump on the BW to vote for me.

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im wanting to get a couple more post from Luca and dsjstr

I've posted a similar amount as you, but what would you like to hear from me? Any questions or just unsure of where I stand because most of my posts have been neutral.

I'll ask you again...

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Also, you have only posted semi non filler when address directly. Look how attentive youve become after the vote.

That was my logic for voting for dawoodle.

[dsjstr]

I asked if you had any questions for me to try and get you to prob me but yet you didn't and now are trying to say that I haven't posted much. The point I was making about how we posted a similar amount was that I was confused why you wanted to hear more from me.

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Just realized Eth0s has the second most posts... lets get some activity.

VOTE: dawoodle

This is a really ugly looking vote, looks really easy and opportunistic.

Was it a worse vote than voting for you? That was were my vote was before.

[dsjstr]

That's L-2.

Right! Sorry

And this seems like he feels guilty for his vote.

Or that I didn't announce L-2 which could have hurt the town.

[dsjstr]

So was my vote on you worthless because you hadn't said anything because you ended by saying that I ignored your question about the vote. Would it matter if I ignored you if it was worthless. Also, its a bit convenient that even though you got your phone back you wait until now to start accusing someone.

[dsjstr]

In that game people thought my progression my weird.

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I will admit I am struggling to get reads right now so I would not be productive for the town.

[dsjstr]

Town, in our game where you were scum you tried to get on peoples good side.

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Also, its a bit convenient that even though you got your phone back you wait until now to start accusing someone.

So what was this about?

Sounds like you SR me here for the same reason you're now TR'ing me.

You still accused people in that game, but you also made an attempt to... I can't think of the right word but you had a different vibe with people. I guess I am really only speaking from my perspective. There was a point brought up about possible pairings and you were a common slot.

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I hope that got my point across, in this game I see you as more distanced from all the other players. I guess part of that is due to you being V/LA for a good chunk so far.

[dsjstr]

I don't have a new sus and any time I unvote I get seen as scum. Like I said earlier I am struggling to really get reads this game. Part of the problem is I find it hard to trust SE's just because I know that they can play the game well and this game now has 5 of them.

[dsjstr]

I would like to point out that I still believe that Luca is town even though I just said I don't trust SE's.

[dsjstr]

Yes I voted on him to get him to talk I was applying pressure. And someone else was also at L-3 so I chose dawoodle because I saw him as being scummier. If you think I am scum then you should vote for me to apply pressure.

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I'm not going to unvote because it would either be because you want me to or because you told me to.

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i havent commited to anything yet because im still waiting for some interaction from luca and dsjstr that isnt filler.

Actually yea i have committed to it now. VOTE: dsjstr I think if we have to get rid of someone today it should be dsjstr or Luca.

What made you commit to something that 20 minutes ago you weren't willing to commit to?

I think what really sent me over was on page 4 when he put dawoodle at L-2 and disguised this by diminishing the post count of everyone by comparing it to the mod. Which made absolutely no sense to me since the mod made 12 post on page 1 before the thread became unlocked.[/quote]

Buddy all I said was that people were not being active. It clearly worked.

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Are you actually listening to anything I've said, I have been responding to you for a reason.

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You voted for me because I voted for dawoodle. Don't you dare try to say that my vote was trying to be hidden when at the time and even now dawoodle was being seen as scum.

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You and Luca need to start coming up with real reasons why I would be scum rather than trying to stretch the truth. Look back at your accusations and think about how realistic that shit is.

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I think dawoodle is scum, I am keeping my vote there why am I not allowed to vote for dawoodle?

[dsjstr]

I think he is scum for the reasons already given. I think he is a better choice than anyone else.

[dsjstr]

If the argument about why I am scum is because I had sus on him and wanted to get more activity by getting him closer to a lynch why would you change your mind about me if I give reasons why anyone else would be scum?

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I think you are trying to get the vote off of dawoodle because the two of you are scum so I am definitely not changing my vote.

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I will admit I am struggling to get reads right now so I would not be productive for the town.

So stop asking.

[dsjstr]

Spoiler:

I was liking daw's intro but his wall makes me shake my previous town lean on him. I think he TMI'd half the playerlist with that post, including me. I think his point about me distinguishing players to look for agendas is a TMI read. I just asked Poyzin a question about his experience because he mentioned he was not new. I was trying to evaluate how to read him based on his experience. I think this is adding unnecessary analysis with tons of logic leaps to conclude a town read on me. He's also attempting to sow doubt in my read because ima was sheeping me. I'm aware he did. I wasn't oblivious to this, but he seems too chill about it and I don't think it's agenda-y. Therefore, I didn't think it needed to be addressed, as I don't see any agenda in that yet. If he'll disagree with something, he'll say so. He probably knows he's gonna have to produce content of his own and most likely will anyway. He's not new.

He's posturing for a set up on either Blatant or Poyzin from that wall. He also said Poyzin seemed innocent for him at first, but then he's accusing Blatant for accepting Poyzin as town, which is illogical and reads as a contrived read to set the pace at a Blatant - Poyzin brawl on day one. That's his intention. It reflects this from "I'd like to see more interaction from them" specifically.

His read on Luca also doesn't make sense, if it was helpful for you, why doesn't it contribute in some way?

VOTE: dawoodle

In all honesty, if this is mafia, I'd be 90% sure that Blatant and Poyzin are both town cleared. So is Ima.

Blatant - Has not given much to go off of, but did seem to immediately accept Poyzin as town rather than taking it as a post to view future responses through. I would like to see more interaction from them though.

I would like to see the post where I am claiming that Pyzin is town.

Exactly what I’m trying to convey. He has the information that we’re town, so he looks for things that can look compelling for clearing us and therefore showing he has thoughtful reads, but it just proves that he has TMI on us because there’s nothing that suggests a person’s intent with a post like “How many months have you been playing mafia for?”

The progression on a read is basically non-existent and that reads list is probably made only to give a pretext for setting up the playground for Blatant and Pyzin to play in. It would be weird only to say “These 2 are probably scum and should confront more”.

I am confident about this read on daw because that’s exactly how I play as scum.

I think that whole wall post’s intention was to prepare in advance for potential wagons on Blatant and Pyzin. The other reads are very carelessly given or are mainly null reads.

Looks scummy but town do scummy things anyway. He couldn’t even hammer because there’s not enough votes on anyone.

Right now I’m focused on daw though, he definitely has faulty assumptions that can be made only if he has our roles. If he’s town then he’s doing reads for no reason and is trying to match things already supposing that we’re town, which is bad.

But right now I’m tempted to say he’s probably scum. A town wouldn’t assume stuff from posts, they want concrete evidence.

Billy’s entrance is not good. Meh.

Billy - daw would be too simple though..

I still think daw is scum and should be pushed, for the record.

I probably won’t post anything until I either change my read on daw or billy starts doing townie stuff. Or daw.

That's my reasoning and I'm not telling you this in order to get you to change your vote. If you think I am scum still than vote for me that is your choice and only your choice to make.

[dsjstr]

In post 83 insomnia even said he thinks daw should be pushed.

[dsjstr]

When I made the vote it was during that time. Has anyone else who is voting for dawoodle changed their vote?

[dsjstr]

Everyone voting for dawoodle is using the same posts I was the last to join the wagon, and my thoughts on him are the same. Try finding better evidence if you are going to tunnel on me.

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I can get reads if you give me time. But I did what you asked why are you selective with what you are saying. Only taking the parts that help your vision. I gave you my reasoning about why daw is scum how can you say I am not trying to help?

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All good buddy, I was planning to do that too.

[dsjstr]

All good buddy, I was planning to do that too.

I know someone is going to say something about this, just trying to say that there is no bad blood between us.

[dsjstr]

I was hoping to get a reaction from the vote itself. Not just from you but from other players.

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I dont see it scumming to unvote in the middle of day 1. I do see it as scumming to vote someone to L-2 just to get them to talk some more then never unvoting after they do what the voter ask. You should unvote now if you dont see dawoodle as mafia.

how about you come up with real reasons why anyone else is scum... how about you start by telling me why dawoodle is scum? You are voting for him and i have already asked you this question with no answer coming from you. So far you have give 2 easy reactionary reads with no follow up probing of those people you gave those reads on.

He’s actually gonna get locked if dawoodle flips scum so I don’t want to focus that

I think your attention should be on the two wagons. Dawoodle has done nothing but ask me questions, his town read, and didn’t sort any of the other people.

Town look for scum, not town.

If he says otherwise, refer back to his wall where he gave the equivalent of 3 scum reads in proportion to 2 town reads.

Well if town look for scum, not town wouldnt that put dawoodle more on the town side considering he gave 3 scum reads opposed to 2 town reads.
Also dawoodle has not only asked you questions. He ask me questions and he addressed billy in an individual post not connected to you at all.
He has reacted alot to you, but i forgive that since you tunneled so hard in the first 100 post.

The reaction I got was that Spy was trying to protect you hard. These are just some examples, I chose those because he tried putting the idea of getting my vote off of you but even if I didn't include great evidence why I put my vote on you... why would he care if I was voting for you? The third one in particular I find strange because he is blatantly trying to defend you. I have come to the conclusion that you two are teaming.

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To Billy Pilgrim about his opening post #81. I thought meta gaming like pulling from previous games was frowned upon in this set up?

As you can see i did make notice of his first post. I thought it was scummy to rely on meta data from previous games. However, not scummy as he was mafia, scummy as in poor sportsmanship.

Once i was told meta gaming is accepted in this forum i applied some meta gaming to this game myself.

My meta game read is someone is only gonna need a replacement if they are town. I have not brought this up nor will i be voting totally based on this. But from my perspective people only need a replacement because they are town and was hoping to be mafia. Luca came into this game with knowledge he was gonna be afk for most of the time, but instead of getting a replacement he just let people know about the afk. Partly why luca was so low on my list from the start because i figured going afk is an easy way for mafia to avoid being probed.

I watched Luca sub out of a game that he was mafia. BS can back me up because he took his slot.

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I am thoroughly re-reading the messages from #258. If I don't get to somebody's reply between the time that this reply is posted and the time that I'm done replying to past messages, then please don't worry; I'm not ignoring you, I just would like to read the last couple pages in chronological order.

So dsjstr i will give you one more chance to defend yourself. Why are you still voting for dawoodle after you voted him to get information out of him? What has dawoodle done or said to convince you he is mafia?

Who are you to be the judge, jury, and executioner? I’m sorry that I don’t have all of the relevant quotes, but you asked dsjstr to defend himself, and then after he does, you decide it isn’t sufficient so you revote. Why would you unvote if you only planned on putting your vote back into dsjstr? I know that you could easily say “I wouldn’t have put my vote back I liked his defense” but that clearly isn’t the case based on this quote. Your vote isn’t worth more than any of the other players, and I’m sure that you didn’t need to unvote to make your point. You really just wanted to leverage your voting power, which as I stated doesn’t account for much.

Actually the reason i revoted is the same reason im still grilling him. I simply asked him to give a reason why he is voting for dawoodle still after pointing out that his L-2 vote on page 4 was scummy. He has dodged it 2 times so far and i have justed asked him a 3rd time. Its unfair for you to dismiss the possibility that i would have not revoted him if he answered my question.

This was not my point. While I truly don't believe that you intended to keep your vote off of dsjstr after your unvote, there is no evidence to say so. After all, every cause has an effect, and I cannot see into your head to determine what options were considered and what was not. It is just my opinion that you had no intention of sparing dsjstr, as it would be impossible for me to know the truth beyond speculation.

However, the evidence that I DO have is this: you DID unvote before you placed your revote. I cannot find a comprehensible reason for doing so, other than to assert your voting power over dsjstr, which isn't worth more than anybody else's. Do you have an explanation for this action?

Yes i dont have a reason for unvoting at that moment. You were on him from RVS and i was forced to believe your vote was not true. I was voting dsjstr in order to have him be more active since my previous attempt was responded with filler. When luca seen the scumread that i seen and voted for dsjstr. I did not want him to be on L-2 because I wasnt convinced either of you were mafia at the time. So that mean two mafia could have came around and double voted dsjstr if i was wrong about him. I was truely attempting to give dsjstr another chance to become more active and do something i seen as townie. From what i see to me he is mafia or a bad townie. I have no better read than that. Im not gonna kill someone else that i do not see as guilty.

I see the unvote as a reasonable response since he stated that he is new to forum games. What would typically happen is that that when someone gets to L-1 they might be told that there is intent to hammer at that point they would rr. If people were to just hammer without that then they would seem sus so people would not be likely to do that.

[dsjstr]

I said that I don't trust SE's but I still need to make reads obviously because people are trying to use that as a justification as to why I would be a safe lynch. I am going to make town reads and scum reads some of the town reads have been SE's, I am confident with my read on Luca. I did a little research on insom and I had come to the conclusion that he was town, then when I talked about it in the forum he confirmed my suspicion. There are still 3 more out there that I am unsure of I am not confident that I can get an accurate read on them but I will do my best. If you want to lynch me because some people are still neutral for me than I have nothing else to give you right now.

[dsjstr]

To Billy Pilgrim about his opening post #81. I thought meta gaming like pulling from previous games was frowned upon in this set up?

As you can see i did make notice of his first post. I thought it was scummy to rely on meta data from previous games. However, not scummy as he was mafia, scummy as in poor sportsmanship.

Once i was told meta gaming is accepted in this forum i applied some meta gaming to this game myself.

My meta game read is someone is only gonna need a replacement if they are town. I have not brought this up nor will i be voting totally based on this. But from my perspective people only need a replacement because they are town and was hoping to be mafia. Luca came into this game with knowledge he was gonna be afk for most of the time, but instead of getting a replacement he just let people know about the afk. Partly why luca was so low on my list from the start because i figured going afk is an easy way for mafia to avoid being probed.

I watched Luca sub out of a game that he was mafia. BS can back me up because he took his slot.

I subbed out of that game due to going on holiday, there was nothing game-related about it.

Luca do you believe that people who sub out are more likely to be town, might I add your partner subbed out twice in that game.

[dsjstr]

I think on average scum are slightly more likely to sub out, particularly in newbie games, but most of the time it’s NAI.

I agree that it is NAI.

[dsjstr]

I know I have said that I see Spy and Dawoodle as a possible pair. What do other people think about this, if Spy is town wouldn't that also make Dawoodle town. If we end up lynching Dawoodle and he flips red would that make Spy red?

[dsjstr]

Earlier I said I've been struggling to find reads, I'm starting to question if that is because we are killing ourselves(town) while mafia is just lurking. I am hesitant to change votes because it would make me seem like I am following Insomnia again and tbh I am not exactly sure what the VC is while I'm typing this. I will look through and count it for myself I can post my results but I myself am fine with sending someone to L-1 after the replacements join. They could just join and lynch someone and claim that they didn't realize they were at L-1, but once they know the VC I plan on sending someone to L-1. That also goes for everyone else, if you see this as being scummy then send me to L-1.

UNVOTE:

[dsjstr]

You guys can double check my work if you want.

Blatant Scum (3): dawoodle, Billy Pilgrim, Luca Blight

Billy Pilgrim (2): Iconeum, insomnia

dawoodle (1): Blatant Scum

dsjstr (1): IMASPY

IMASPY (1): Poyzin

Not Voting (0):

[dsjstr]

I would put my vote on BS, Billy, or Icon. I thought more people would be on L-2 so I might change my putting at someone to L-1 strat since that only applies to BS.

[dsjstr]

Just realized I didn't include myself for my own VC, I would be under Not Voting (1): dsjstr

[dsjstr]

I don't even care that there hasn't been an official VC, I just need the Jams.

[dsjstr]

imaspy is 85% town.

also, look at this 190. looks like a robot wrote this. wtf.
could be because I have some special glasses that made me read that post like: "hey.people.who.are.playing.with.me. i.am.town.on.this.game.of.mafia. for.town.to.win.we.need.to.lynch.mafia. dont.pay.attention.to.me.im.so.level.headed. subscribe.for.more.great.analysis. thanks."

VOTE: Iconeum

thoughts?

Didn't you just imply that I am not acting town, why not vote for me?

[dsjstr]

Why do you see my comment as being aggressive? Since we are only using words we are not able to convey or perceive real emotion.

[dsjstr]

If it is a post right after I just post without quoting. From an outside perspective do you think that type of posting is good or can it be confusing?

[dsjstr]

So I was the leading wagon? Fun. Haven't played with anyone in here (maybe Luca, back in the day), so it's kinda of a blank slate.

Didn't start to read yet, will do shortly. Since the wagon was apparently started by a newbie, makes me suspect the SEs that are voting. Food for thought. I don't know the playstyle of those guys, but I have seen a lot of experienced players who try to pocket newbies by jumping on their wagons.

I have to say that I see Lucca261 as town just by his entrance. Taking a slot that was the leading wagon and coming in and sharing his thoughts on everyone. I would expect a mafia to just sit in the shadows and only share a scum read or two. If the lynch ends up being on me we will be able to get a good read on him.

[dsjstr]

Was wondering where was the defense of DJ. 258: there it is.

Interesting that poy jumps out from inactivity to soft defend DJ and then gets inactive again. Insomnia hard defends him, but I'm not going to try to sort that slot before a flip.

At the time would you say I was the likely lynch? If so then I would say poy was trying to defend me in order to look town once I flip green.

[dsjstr]

always beware of the players who are really active in RVS and disappear when there's more interesting content.

also, would like a readslist, poy

Done.

Townies:

insomnia
Iconeum

Null-Town:

Luca Blight
Billy

Null:

Dawoodle
Lucca261

Null-Scum:

Dsjstr
IMASPY

Could you provide a little reason for why you placed everyone where they are.

[dsjstr]

Actually I guess you don't have to do everyone, I don't see why Icon is so high on your list. Also, was I that low on your list when you defended me?

[dsjstr]

Actually I guess you don't have to do everyone, I don't see why Icon is so high on your list. Also, was I that low on your list when you defended me?

Wow dude j just got done saying you haven't convinced me and you go and post the most townie post I have seen from you this game

Not trying to appease you, I have my own agenda as I said before I thought poy could have been trying to defend me in order to look town when I flip green. I am not sure why you had to make a comment?

[dsjstr]

I don't feel good about this lynch on Flippy. It seems like people were easily willing to join even though they had other sus. I am

not

going to give intent to hammer. Sure Billy and Flippy posted then disappeared. So has BS, Luca, Icon, and myself. Those come across as the obvious ones to me but thinking about it more we have all done that at least a little bit.

[dsjstr]

See, this is some townie shit and good reads and thoughts. This is what I'm looking for.

I am willing to vote Billy man, I don't give a damn if he subbed out, that slot is cursed, like 3 people changed it. Let's give the mod an easy time and stop looking for replacement. Put that slot in the grave.

VOTE: Billy slot

This vote on Billy seems a little odd, at least the reasoning behind it. His previous vote was on someone who he though that getting lynched would have provided useful information for other slots. I would still like to hear from poyzin it looked like he just posted a read list for the sake of having one. I realize that voting for people because of their activity is actually not good reasoning, I would say these are my top two scum reads currently.

[dsjstr]

:eats popcorn:

[dsjstr]

So yea i do agree i could have misinterpreted billy as town with the #103 post. I was thinking hey a town would want to take note as who was L-1 when i posted that, however, could be that he seen that as the situation and attempted to counter play with that. And #182 does look a bit scummy.

The only thing keeping me from voting flippy rn is im still on this dsjstr kick. I happen to think he is partnered with poyzin tho....

You think flippy is sus then?

[dsjstr]

Why wait until the wagon is starting to disband to say that you are willing to vote for him?

[dsjstr]

You are not one of my scum reads and I doubt many people think you are so like idk just be honest because you probably are town.

[dsjstr]

its all cool

[dsjstr]

i said in the post why im willing to vote for him now....

on top of my change of perspective of a couple of billys post i think flippy is clearly not committed to playing the game or cant find the words to be confident in posting without coming across as mafia.

One of the same reasons i sused you out as mafia in my mind. Yes you have began to post more, but i havent seen many post i would consider townie. You posted a townie post and when i told you i thought it was townie you posted something i seen as scummy. So it kinda took my hope back out of you. I am less sure about you as i said earlier you did change your posting style, but to me the town quality of the post have barely gone up.

Was it scummy because I said I wasn't trying to appease you?

[dsjstr]

Masons can also talk privately, what do you think about the speed in which the vote one Emporer was built. That was my main reason why I wasn't going to join. A reason why so many people would join a wagon is because they were comfortable with the vote.

[dsjstr]

*on

And I meant mafia would join it because they were comfortable with the vote.

[dsjstr]

In my opinion with this setup, not killing only helps the mafia. We also can't really know pairings unless we kill and mafia could just choose someone who isn't involved with anyone. Guess that's good for you and me Spy

[dsjstr]

I am going to hold off on answering about my play style, one of my two other games is close to concluding but i can't talk about it yet.

I have not associated you you and Icon, I would have to reread the thread but I would never have had that idea if you didn't ask me about it.

[dsjstr]

It's not productive to try and prob someone? I didn't find anything else worthy of being probbed, I just wanted to let people know that I was TRing him. Should I only prob people I SR?

[dsjstr]

See, this is some townie shit and good reads and thoughts. This is what I'm looking for.

I am willing to vote Billy man, I don't give a damn if he subbed out, that slot is cursed, like 3 people changed it. Let's give the mod an easy time and stop looking for replacement. Put that slot in the grave.

VOTE: Billy slot

This vote on Billy seems a little odd, at least the reasoning behind it. His previous vote was on someone who he though that getting lynched would have provided useful information for other slots. I would still like to hear from poyzin it looked like he just posted a read list for the sake of having one. I realize that voting for people because of their activity is actually not good reasoning, I would say these are my top two scum reads currently.

I'm waiting for a response from poyzin so yes in a way you are correct.

[dsjstr]

Luca why are you hesitant to place your vote on me?

[dsjstr]

That's L-1 btw

[dsjstr]

Before we lynch can we wait to hear from poyzin?

[dsjstr]

If you voted on Flippy because he was not being active and said he was busy that would be a reason to sus you. The fact that you are being defensive without anyone questioning you strikes me as feeling guilty for your vote.

[dsjstr]

Sorry I mean that I think you feel guilty for your vote. But why?

[dsjstr]

he's lynched already

[dsjstr]

nighty night

[dsjstr]

You defended your vote but know one sussed you.

[dsjstr]

Actual I guess Icon did prompt you

[dsjstr]

I don't think Flippy would have joined and then not played. I just think he was busy and yes the guy he replaced was scummy, but I don't think that a vote should be placed on someone just because they are busy.

[dsjstr]

If I die I'm just saying I found the vote to not be strong.

[dsjstr]

Spicy!

[dsjstr]

why tell the mafia who med should save lmfao

[dsjstr]

If anything they should save you because that sounds like a slip dingus

[dsjstr]

Lets leave it at that

[dsjstr]

The forum gets locked so there will be no more talking until D2.

[dsjstr]

First

[dsjstr]

if he's town then sort in

poyzin - dsjstr - and uhhh

dawoodle ?

So why these three?

[dsjstr]

lol okay

[dsjstr]

tbh I'd be fine with that lynch just because they are just going to keep us alive until final 3, might as well get it over with

[dsjstr]

yea i agree.. we need to get down to 1 mafia before we start talking about final 3. Im calling dsjstr and poyzin maf this game.. if im wrong ill never play here again

I'd like to play with you again... on this site.

[dsjstr]

People might scum read you for not really giving a reason for voting me. Honestly I think town would be better off if we could actually try to solve rather than be petty.

[dsjstr]

I think from your response during twilight you are clearly town and inexperienced, hence the newbie status but we've all been there.

[dsjstr]

Not calling you petty, it was a broad statement

I'm sorry if whatever happened between us earlier is causing you to see me in a negative way. When I flip town and you get scum read you will need to have a reason as to why you voted for me, just trying to get you to think in terms of whats in the future.

[dsjstr]

I want to play the game too, but you avoided giving a real reason why you scum read me. You have been scum reading me since our confrontation but have not given another reason why you scum read me. I don't want to offend you I do genuinely like everyone in this game. I just think the only reason you are voting for me is because of what happened.

VOTE: ds

To me this seems like the only way past this. idk I'm tired and kind of unmotivated rn

[dsjstr]

L-2

[dsjstr]

Spy was the only one trying to lynch me, if I was going to kill someone to make me look scum I would have just gone for my biggest fan. I was also scum reading poyzin and was trying to get information to try and start a counter wagon but you had to rush the vote. Poyzin I'd still like and answer Luca even asked once, and then later I asked if we could wait untill we heard from poyzin but once again insomnia wanted to rush the lynch.

[dsjstr]

Voting for someone because of the amount of time they put into the game is not a good reason to lynch, it doesn't matter how Emporer flipped I didn't like the reasoning behind the vote.

[dsjstr]

Probably gonna drop my vote on Luca but I wants to iso him & Icon first

ill give you half of today to do something before i put my vote on you. Should only take you like 30 minutes to read the rest of what you havent already read. Then maybe 30 minutes or less of posting something to contribute to the game.

VOTE: Flippynips okay lets go to day 2 and start actually playing the game please

@luca- are you feeling like icon is scum still?

Can you give me some reads on who is scummy and who is towny between everyone?

You asked for his reads

Now you are not interacting with those but only a vote

Why not play the game now instead of tomorrow

I asked for his reads and he said I dont really have leads and on top of that hes going afk for a week. If you think my vote was scummy vote on me and convince everyone I'd be a better lynch.

He had over 3 days to at least read the thread.

Are we suppose to give replacements 6 full days to read the thread before considering to vote them out?

I was saying Spy lynched for that reasoning.

Also spy claimed bv in twilight if there was a doc I think they would try to save a PR especially considering the fact that mafia might not have even attacked Spy. Now we know they didn't but we wouldn't have known that.

[dsjstr]

Actually more willing to point out that I’ll probably start getting scum read for that specific reason, my past meta and current meta. It’s gonna take a few games to wipe that meta out before I can use this as a reasoning for defending myself.

In general, I’d advice to just let me alive. I’ve also improved by a bit (imo) since the last time I played so if I get to live anywhere past Night 3 then you guys can probably suspect me. I’d encourage you to push other people though.

I don’t think you should have any reasoning for suspecting me this early, do you find anything I said to be agenda driven or disingenuous? Do you disagree with my analysis on his wall post? I think I can break it down further but if you didn’t get the crux of it then diving deeper in it will probably make it even more confusing. If you want clarification on my posts, just ask me by the way. I have issues with expressing my thoughts in a convincing and coherent way as it is, so don’t be afraid.

Will this still apply in lylo?

[dsjstr]

For the record I called Spy town, and said that I was scum reading poyzin

If we lynch town today then before we get to night 3 we will be in lylo, since you have a lot of control on who gets lynched if you are scum then you can easily position yourself to win.

[dsjstr]

Poyzin you listed me low on your read list, I had asked if you thought I was that low when you defended me, I'd still like an answer. Think Insom didn't like my post because I figured out his plan

[dsjstr]

You don't think that being busy and a lack of activity are the same thing? The goal should always be to try and get mafia, looking back if you are mafia then we can see your vote as just an excuse to get rid of a town. I'll answer your other question in a second.

[dsjstr]

Towards EoD I saw people just placing votes on Flippy even though they didn't give greats reasons, voting Flippy was just the easy option at the time. Icon took his vote off of him because he agreed that it seemed like the wagon filled fast and since he was town shows that mafia was more than fine with that lynch. Wouldn't that also mean that more than likely mafia were on that wagon, I'm not sure why Insom wants to take the attention off of the people on the wagon and go for poyzin. Since more people are scum reading me which I don't think there are tbh, I am worried about being in a Day 3 lylo because I am town. About the self lynch, to my understanding I saw you as town and I know I am town, I figured anyone else who tried joining the wagon would most likely be mafia aligned. I don't understand the "take one for the team" comment. Wouldn't my mafia partner want to bus to look town? Also, I just wanted you to not just see me in a negative light and by getting lynched it would have allowed the town to put all the pieces together.

[dsjstr]

Even as he was about to die he joked about being mafia instead of really scum hunting for us at the end. If I am town and I'm about to die I am gonna make all my reads very apparent. He did not do that because

he did not care about this game

. Someone that doesnt care is just as bad as mafia on day 1. If I'm gonna kill anyone besides mafia day 1 its gonna be a shitty town.

The game should be fun, but I completely disagree with the idea that a town that is coasting is just as bad as mafia.

[dsjstr]

Towards EoD I saw people just placing votes on Flippy even though they didn't give greats reasons, voting Flippy was just the easy option at the time. Icon took his vote off of him because he agreed that it seemed like the wagon filled fast and since he was town shows that mafia was more than fine with that lynch. Wouldn't that also mean that more than likely mafia were on that wagon, I'm not sure why Insom wants to take the attention off of the people on the wagon and go for poyzin. Since more people are scum reading me which I don't think there are tbh, I am worried about being in a Day 3 lylo because I am town. About the self lynch, to my understanding I saw you as town and I know I am town, I figured anyone else who tried joining the wagon would most likely be mafia aligned. I don't understand the "take one for the team" comment. Wouldn't my mafia partner want to bus to look town? Also, I just wanted you to not just see me in a negative light and by getting lynched it would have allowed the town to put all the pieces together.

I kind of went off on a tangent, there probably needs to be some clarifications so just ask. For example when I say he was town shows that mafia was more than fine with that lynch, I was talking about Flippy being town.

[dsjstr]

When did I say he was town?

[dsjstr]

Insom you keep putting words in my mouth to try and create this solution that you have created.

[dsjstr]

But right now I am unsure, right before the lynch I was sussing Insom and poyzin, I still want to hear from poyzin but why reads are starting to change. Spy I can give you my two later but you're right I shouldn't be sussing poyzin any more because there is new info and I think that mafia were on that wagon. I'm no longer sussing poyzin I guess.

[dsjstr]

You can think what you want, but lynch me not poyzin, like I said earlier you will never stop tunneling me until I am dead. By then we should have enough info from the two lynches.

[dsjstr]

You want him lynched. I wanted him lynched. I looked at the wagon. I want to use new information. I am scum because I changed my mind. That's the progression, am I wrong?

[dsjstr]

I could stop talking and let the other 4 people speak but then I will be called scum because I stopped talking. Is there anything I can do in this game that won't get me scum read? So once again just lynch me you won't be able to stop tunneling me until you are wrong/winning.

[dsjstr]

I don't think I've played well, it's true that if we lynch correctly then there is no worry about tomorrow. When it comes time for mass claiming I was thinking that it would be better to position town in a way that I won't just be an easy lynch no matter what I claim. But that could literally be the same thought process from either side. That's just why I thought that it would help town if there wasn't just this obvious lynch, although just preventing us from going to lylo would be better.

UNVOTE:
I don't remember who I voted for, I made a few posts where I voted then changed so just making sure I'm not on anyone right now.

[dsjstr]

So my concern right now is that we lynch poyzin, SPY would in no way shape or form be killed tonight. 1. he claimed bv 2. He want's me dead which will help mafia tomorrow

That means that the two other mafia just quickhammer me, unless poyzin is mafia

SPY if poyzin flips town plz do not quickhammer me, it only takes 3 votes

[dsjstr]

VOTE: poyzin

L-1

Lets get a rr buddy

[dsjstr]

I noticed Insomnia has started misreading other peoples reads. It just makes me suspicious of what he is really trying to attempt. He did it with me, and now he did it with poyzin. Divide and concur, creating fights that are not necessary and planting ideas that turn town against each other. I am still confused why the wagon has not really been used as a way to position players.

VOTE: Insomnia

[dsjstr]

So my concern right now is that we lynch poyzin, SPY would in no way shape or form be killed tonight. 1. he claimed bv 2. He want's me dead which will help mafia tomorrow

That means that the two other mafia just quickhammer me, unless poyzin is mafia

SPY if poyzin flips town plz do not quickhammer me, it only takes 3 votes

Dude can you stop defending yourself with hypothetical flips and start using reads to scum hunt instead.

You are not placing your very first true vote and it happens to be on the only other person scum reading you.

Just don't vote me immediately if a town gets lynched today.

[dsjstr]

This also is a towie post. He was reasonable of this and still voted flippy at the end I believe for the same reasons I voted him. Icon are with this flippy vote on assuming you just believe it's good to always lynch day 1?

Sorry this question was very poorly crafted.

Icon why did you vote flippy at the end of the day?

Glad this was asked, I was going to bring up that I didn't think he really wanted to get off the flippy vote.

[dsjstr]

Honestly this game is a huge mess. Lots of fighting and replacements. We all need to simmer down and put our heads together. It could very well be Icon and dawoodle watching from the stands and laughing at us. I know I keep bringing up the votes on Emperor but what was the point of lynching emporer if we are not going to use that information and just go for hypothetical pairs, we could have done that D1. I might be wrong about Insomnia instigating conflicts between players, it could very well just be that we have different perspectives and we are doing it to ourselves. BUT we won't be able to solve anything if we just argue about shit. I could be wrong about that idk this game has been full of miscommunication.

[dsjstr]

But i am keeping my vote because I think people followed insomnia because he came up with the idea that if emporer flips a certain way then these people will be innocent. That being said it could be very likely that mafia went along with it because it would make them look good.

[dsjstr]

Ico and Luca you're both town, stop this shit.

ico - spy - luca blight - me - lucca - poyzin

all town.

flippy - dawoodle - djstr

all scum.

lynch in scum pile only gents.

jk jk actually he said it after the lynch occurred so people didn't follow for that. I was thinking of this which has nothing to do with my statement earlier. Although including himself in his own read list is scum imo.

[dsjstr]

Honestly this game is a huge mess. Lots of fighting and replacements. We all need to simmer down and put our heads together. It could very well be Icon and dawoodle watching from the stands and laughing at us. I know I keep bringing up the votes on Emperor but what was the point of lynching emporer if we are not going to use that information and just go for hypothetical pairs, we could have done that D1. I might be wrong about Insomnia instigating conflicts between players, it could very well just be that we have different perspectives and we are doing it to ourselves. BUT we won't be able to solve anything if we just argue about shit. I could be wrong about that idk this game has been full of miscommunication.

With this post dsjstr's day 2 consist of scum reading poyzin insomnia dawoodle and icon. While also saying he doesnt scum read poyzin, and then voting him before unvoting him 2 hours later for the insomnia vote.

All this erratic voting from someone that wants us to simmer down and put our heads together.

He is asking whats the point of lynching emporer when

he is the one

that said lynching day 1 was the best overall strat for town. Not giving anyone context about it being less than 10 hours left in the day. We did not rush any vote. I gave a couple day warning to emporer that his slot was in danger based on his lack of caring/activity.

Exactly,don't want town to be divided. We need to work together not against each other and I think mafia is doing a good job.

[dsjstr]

I won't

[dsjstr]

Not that I don't want to, you just wont see it that way

[dsjstr]

I'll get to it later honestly this game hasn't really been that fun for me.

[dsjstr]

Luca changed his mind btw

[dsjstr]

If poyzin flips green then what do we get out of all of this?

[dsjstr]

For the record if we are in a cop setup I would feel safer staying in L-2, although hammering without without a definite answer that no one is cop would be supper scummy.

I'm not a cop btw!

[dsjstr]

Okay

What does that prove?

[dsjstr]

Spy I don't understand why you are still trying to get me lynched rather than trying to convince others that poyzin is scum.

[dsjstr]

Are you trying to lynch me or poyzin?

[dsjstr]

Nope, you are making me not want to play the game

[dsjstr]

I understand getting lynched is part of the game but come on already

[dsjstr]

If you want me lynched then that means you are trying to get the vote off of poyzin, I don't understand the sass. Spy people have noticed that you are giving reasons to vote me because it is me and not because you have strong evidence to vote me out. I'm fine with you attacking me but like wait until tomorrow if you want poyzin lynched

[dsjstr]

I could literally out as the PR and you would still try and lynch me

[dsjstr]

K

[dsjstr]

This is done, lets solve now

[dsjstr]

Okay, feel free to ignore this post as you have with many others that have questioned what you have said.

How is me pointing out that one of the two people that voted for you day 1 not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me pointing out that you are saying things without evidence to back them up not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me showing your inconsistencies in your stance on poyzin not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me pointing out that your only true vote has been made on insomnia day 2 after they started to really sus you not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?

is it okay if I let other players respond to this?

[dsjstr]

I meant other players in the game. Whether they see your reasoning as AI/NAI and if it makes me scum.

[dsjstr]

I would just say that I am not scum. I think getting the perspective of others will help resolve this.

[dsjstr]

Okay, feel free to ignore this post as you have with many others that have questioned what you have said.

How is me pointing out that one of the two people that voted for you day 1 not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me pointing out that you are saying things without evidence to back them up not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me showing your inconsistencies in your stance on poyzin not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?
How is me pointing out that your only true vote has been made on insomnia day 2 after they started to really sus you not some kind of evidence towards you being scummy?

is it okay if I let other players respond to this?

Please

[dsjstr]

Someone please answer like I really can't take the interrogation anymore. I just want everyone to agree on an answer so I don't have to be questioned 24/7. I have to put all of my energy into constantly answering questions so I can't even play the game. I don't think you realize how mentally draining this is.

[dsjstr]

UNVOTE:

[dsjstr]

I have no hard feelings for anyone, but I just messaged eth0s that I'm replacing out. The reason I am giving this message is to say that it has nothing to do with my role but for my own mental health. I wish the best to everyone in this game, Spy I hope we can be friends still even though things turned out ugly.