Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

[gameplay506]

Hi, im the lazy and unfriendly SE
VOTE: Thomas

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Chill?
Your gameplan doesn't stop you from placing a rvs vote tho. Do that.
Also

mod

do send a daystart pm.

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So what exactly are you going to do today?
Backup mod?

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I’m probably just going to ask questions and process information

reading is a good skill to have when playing forum mafia

Why is the backup mod so active this game?

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Yes. Wanted to throw some shit at derpy to see what happened. He doesn't get a pass for this, but he does not get my vote for it either. Taiho gets some town points in my book for essentially coming to the same conclusion. I have a hard time seeing their posts on the subject coming from scum.

I don't like gameplay506's post 19, though. One of the things that I look at early in the game is which players are attempting to hide in randomness and which players are trying to end it.

So VOTE: gameplay

Cool

also what's everyones views on the interaction between Hooves, Luca and Gameplay on page 1?

Does anyone think CsBlastoise getting over defensive on post #28 or do you think he just doesn't understand RVS?

Doesn't understand it

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but you had time to post elsewhere on site yesterday and today...

Lol?

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FIRST READS
disclaimer: first reads are not final. they will change and adapt to new information, and final reads will be completely different

im getting a scum lean from derpy (the rush to leave RVS. you cant force your way out, but it could also be townie trying to get straight to finding scum, so it is just a lean)

im getting a town read from thestatusqou (seems very townie right off the bat)

Wilky seems to be ...im not exactly sure. i might need to think about it.

Just the opposite
Derpy albeit annoying and confusing seems genuine
Cant say the same for status
Never been a fan of mindless questioning esp so early in the game

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Well, wilky, it's not exactly fun to come to the active game for the first time and find out that you've been randomly lynched. I'll start defending myself later if I have to.

This is something I also like
Btw by my calculations now only lucifer hasn't posted so thats better

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Dont see how it helps you in any way

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Reads and thought process behind them on page 3 lolz
With only 5 people posted at that point
Lolz

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Cus I said that ur questioning is bullshit?
Good

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Can we please keep it short and simple
Walls are off putting and im not reading those

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I'm gonna find it hard not to scumread Wilky until I can understand his thought-process behind this:

Whilst I don't think any of the posts indicate any players role,

if Hooves actively and effectively scum hunts it might be nice to revisit Luca.

So what is the big problem with this post ?
Short and simple, I just skimmed your wallfight with wilky and I don't have the patience to search for an answer there

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VOTE: Wilky

Here are my reads
Lucas

Spoiler:

I have a town read on them. They have made a decent case on Willy. Willy isl trying to make a case on them to.. And I have a scum read on Willy.

Shea

Spoiler:

I have a scum lean of him. i found his reaction to my entrance weird. He was talking about the whole RVS thing. About how it ends or whatever. Why does that matter? Shouldn't we be scum hunting?

Willy

Spoiler:

So I'm getting. A scum read on Willy. they tried to make a case on Derpy early on, but when one person found it scummy, he immediately found that person scummy. With not much to go off of, that's what I think.

Who is shea

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I'm gonna find it hard not to scumread Wilky until I can understand his thought-process behind this:

Whilst I don't think any of the posts indicate any players role,

if Hooves actively and effectively scum hunts it might be nice to revisit Luca.

So what is the big problem with this post ?
Short and simple, I just skimmed your wallfight with wilky and I don't have the patience to search for an answer there

Because what does Derpy's scumhunting or lack of it have to do with me?

I voted him on page 1 because he said he wouldn't push scumreads until day two. Wilky then says if Derpy decides to scumhunt it would 'be nice to revisit Luca' - which implies his scumhunting would make me look scummy. How could I be held accountable for something that happened

after

the post in question?

Wilky hasn't been able to answer this and has been backtracking that he meant it incriminated me, when clearly that's what was implied.

What
What
?
Sry but this makes no sense
The whole you vs wilky is a headache of nonsensical posts and unless you have something more than this i suggest you back out cus wilky seems more like frustrated town than scum

I was thinking of switching my rvs vote but voyagers recent posts make not want to

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Jesus fkin wilky walls kill a game please
Quick got anything more to add?
That catchup just seems incomplete

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Jesus fkin wilky walls kill a game please
Quick got anything more to add?
That catchup just seems incomplete

Luca is trying too hard. Inclined to think Town, but the way he bulldogs it makes me second guess that.
You complain a lot.
Hooves has an interesting approach, but consider what the IC said to to UCV about getting out of RVS I think that applies here.
Quo is playing strong. Don't know that I get his reads.
Cs is weird for thinking this is a fast game.
taiho doesn't seem like a weakling
Page Tops are for mods.

And wilky?

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VOTE: Wilky

Here are my reads
Lucas

Spoiler:

I have a town read on them. They have made a decent case on Willy. Willy isl trying to make a case on them to.. And I have a scum read on Willy.

Shea

Spoiler:

I have a scum lean of him. i found his reaction to my entrance weird. He was talking about the whole RVS thing. About how it ends or whatever. Why does that matter? Shouldn't we be scum hunting?

Willy

Spoiler:

So I'm getting. A scum read on Willy. they tried to make a case on Derpy early on, but when one person found it scummy, he immediately found that person scummy. With not much to go off of, that's what I think.

I just read through a lot. and OH SHIT



Luca says that Wiky made a case on Derpy when He didn't......This is alarming because it looked like Luca made a case o derpy if anything
Luca rushed Wilky and only focused on Wilky.

Guiding a miss lynch is a scum move last i checked

UNVOTE:

But last page you gave him a townread and he had already accused wilky of making a case on Derpy
So, what?

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You are suddenly making a 180 on Luca on stuff that was already in the thread when you last sorted him out.
And that flimsy reasoning for jumping on the wilky wagon also doesn't sit well with me.

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VOTE: Wilky

Here are my reads
Lucas

Spoiler:

I have a town read on them. They have made a decent case on Willy. Willy isl trying to make a case on them to.. And I have a scum read on Willy.

Shea

Spoiler:

I have a scum lean of him. i found his reaction to my entrance weird. He was talking about the whole RVS thing. About how it ends or whatever. Why does that matter? Shouldn't we be scum hunting?

Willy

Spoiler:

So I'm getting. A scum read on Willy. they tried to make a case on Derpy early on, but when one person found it scummy, he immediately found that person scummy. With not much to go off of, that's what I think.

I just read through a lot. and OH SHIT



Luca says that Wiky made a case on Derpy when He didn't......This is alarming because it looked like Luca made a case o derpy if anything
Luca rushed Wilky and only focused on Wilky.

Guiding a miss lynch is a scum move last i checked

UNVOTE:

But last page you gave him a townread and he had already accused wilky of making a case on Derpy
So, what?

You are suddenly making a 180 on Luca on stuff that was already in the thread when you last sorted him out.
And that flimsy reasoning for jumping on the wilky wagon also doesn't sit well with me.

I'm gonna find it hard not to scumread Wilky until I can understand his thought-process behind this:

Whilst I don't think any of the posts indicate any players role,

if Hooves actively and effectively scum hunts it might be nice to revisit Luca.

So what is the big problem with this post ?
Short and simple, I just skimmed your wallfight with wilky and I don't have the patience to search for an answer there

Because what does Derpy's scumhunting or lack of it have to do with me?

I voted him on page 1 because he said he wouldn't push scumreads until day two. Wilky then says if Derpy decides to scumhunt it would 'be nice to revisit Luca' - which implies his scumhunting would make me look scummy. How could I be held accountable for something that happened

after

the post in question?

Wilky hasn't been able to answer this and has been backtracking that he meant it incriminated me, when clearly that's what was implied.

What
What
?
Sry but this makes no sense
The whole you vs wilky is a headache of nonsensical posts and unless you have something more than this i suggest you back out cus wilky seems more like frustrated town than scum

I was thinking of switching my rvs vote but voyagers recent posts make not want to

Which actually reminds me that he hasnt addressed the first 2

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Most notably, he's skating. This might be a difference in philosophy about mafia, but most of what I look for in the early game is who is playing the game and who is attempting to hide in randomness. I think that gameplay has done very little to advance the game out of randomness. His post 19, where I originally voted him, was a chance to pressure derpyhooves which he didn't take. He commented on something and then sort of shrugged and made a joke. He came so close to taking an actual action that would progress the game without actually doing so. It's almost as if he asked himself "What is the least game content I can generate with this post while still looking like I'm commenting on the game."

That was definitely a good enough reason for a vote on page 1. Going forward, I just have found no reason to revise this early read. Almost all of the things that game play posts have been very minimal in terms of progressing the game. He's cast shallow aspersions on some of the arguments of other players. He hasn't really put pressure anywhere, and his arguments haven't seemed designed to find scum. I'm pretty happy leaving my vote parked here.

VOTE: UC

But despite those 2 paragraphs on why you are comfortable leaving your vote on me and finding no reason to revise that, you vote UC with

me

Wut again?

Also Im not doing much on day 1s unless some shit happens that really bothers me.
And the newbs were doing a good enough job of making a discussion themselves so I was ok

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and reply to me as well please uc

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I will when I feel like it

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Hi, im the lazy and unfriendly SE

I mean, I DID tell you at the beginning of the game

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Um no
He might be scum and I need him to reply to me
But even if I go into retarded, braindead mode, I still can't call this a slip

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Its fishy, not a slip. Lolk?

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Shea get ur head out of ur ass ty

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@Uc why tf are you talking like you are already lynched?

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jesus
can u modkill urself or smth
Pedit: oh we agree on smth

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So me and uc are partners because I disagree with u on that wild slip theory
Cool
Do you need something? Some help to get out of the dumpster or?

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Find scum?
Weren't me/uc the scumteam?
IS THIS A SLIP?

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Same
Anyway

UC

I hope you have done something by the time I wake up tomorrow

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Why that defeatist attitude?
Why is scum within those?
Why isnt Luca in that list?

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gameplay has done nothing but make excuses all game long. Shea even caught gameplay being a hypocrite, but for some reason he changed his vote to UCV.

I am going to:

VOTE: gameplay

For making excuses and the blatant hypocritical behavior.

Show me hypocritical
Show me excuses
I dont like how you ignore the whole UC case and go for me for some made up reasons
Seems like a way to appeal to shea tbh

Pedit: Luca, luca luca
The whole heat on you is from that post you did a 180 on Luca and called him scum. What happened to that read

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Looool
Activity has nothing to do with alignment firstly. And second do you propose we policy lynch him no matter his alignment?

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Okay eat rope
That attitude and level of trigger is just not normal
Rn wilky/UC are just making my alarms go off like crazy. Definitely one of them is scum, might even be both. Wilkys reasoning for getting on the wagon and voting UC (activity) is seriously off. Resembles bussing

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VOTE: UC Voyager

UC has been posting a fair bit today, just not in this thread.

Funny that really, took you no time at all to reply there. My vote on you was to see how long it took you to come out the woodwork whilst posting pretty frequently elsewhere. 2 minutes is impressive

Said posts

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What is that?
Quick u really are trying to appeal to Shea, aint u

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VOTE: Wilky
Will post more tonight

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Relevant content ye ye
Too lazy to actually type anything out but my vote is staying where it is

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Sorry for not being more active in this game. I have bitten off more than I can chew in the games I signed up for. I am just coming back to Mafia after a few months of not playing.

I still like tsq for Scum. I also still think gameplay has a decent chance to be Scum. I would prolly lynch Wilky if it came down to it. I don't know if cs hammers here as a newb mistake or if they are just Scum. In any case I think it will be fairly apparent given time on what cs' alignment is.

So you go from trying to get on sheas good side to scumreading more experienced players.
Cool
I got the reason for mescum but wanna tell us those for the sheascum?

Anyway wilky why haven't you placed a vote/voiced any suspicion yet?

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scumreading

both

experienced players

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I was going to bed and saw this shit
Are you serious with that claim right now?

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Ok im leaving
Cant deal with this today lol

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uh
uhhhhhhh
why would scum TSQ claim rn?
Like what
Why would town TSQ claim rn?
??
From both PoV this was a very dumb and bold play.
I suggest we stick with leaving the night phase resolve TSQ and lynching wilky

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Ye im waiting for cs and wilky to actually say something
Quick that shallow reasoning for voting me aint gonna pass on day 2

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Ye can you please get ur votes on wilky. The night will determine tsq's alignment. Tbh his plays until now just make me wanna call him VI.
Wilky has had a really opportunistic day 1 and he continues that on day 2. He hasn't took any stances or placed any votes. He is just waiting for wagons to start forming.

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Ye im waiting for cs and wilky to actually say something
Quick that shallow reasoning for voting me aint gonna pass on day 2

Well, right now I am considering you DH, and wilky. You haven't really seem much pressure except for the claimed IC Tracker.

We have zero wagons... We need to start doing... something to change that.

You are either living with a couple of braincells or scum.
Why isn't tsq on the list?
The reasons for mescum are so outdated and bad so why am I a better vote than wilky?
I feel you are just going between me and tsq for the credit of going after the IC/SE. And that vote on me serves no meaning given your shallow reasoning, more like testing the waters.

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Cs and taiho I want your reads and a vote preferably in the next two posts.
Time to get this shit going.

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The night will determine tsq's alignment.

And Derpy that was directed at you.
There is no further reason for us to delve on TSQ. We are not going to know if he is lying or not unless we lynch him and given the fact there has been no cc lynching him is just not happening.

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I've basically read no posts by them, it's why I cited VCA and NK analysis as my case.

So basically you are promising somebody will flip scum without actually doing any work.

Yeah I don’t care if there is no cc.

VOTE: Thor

Impossible 2 separate players play this bad. It’s scum.

Are we going to do this again?
Just vote wilky and lynch scum please
What are your other reads thor

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Wanna reply to me quick

Derpy i like you
but voting thor is dumb
place your vote on someone that is actually getting lynched

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and activity sure is AI
cool
wilky, quick, cs can die today

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Prod dodge
might not get around to reading the last few page so a tldr would be nice

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What are your current reads, caught up or not?

wikly, quick, cs can all die
taiho is so-so, leaning town. I like him but he has parked his vote on cs who has been practically offline the whole game and has done nothing else
derpy is town
your slot is so-so. Awful plays but uncc'd

Wilky has been extremely scummy all day 1 and day 2. His behavior today is off and makes me feel like he is trying to lurk himself out of a lynch. And he has been extremely neutral and meh which backs up my thoughts.
Quick as I already said is either braindead or scum. His vote hopping today is something I can't explain and its backed by such shallow reasoning.
Cs's hammer was bad and his posts have all gave me neutral to scum vibes.

Also I do not intend to read walls. So that fight between thor and derpy is a no.

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Idk what's worst
Quicks votes and unvotes
or wilkys neutrality and the fact he steps up his activity when somebody votes/pressures him

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Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

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Also, regarding "trying to lurk himself out of a lynch" you have been pretty inactive over the course of D2 and even came in with a prod dodge yet i'm the one lurking to avoid lynch.
What posts from CS have looked scummy to you? I can see the hammer one and possibly his first first post as looking a bit scummy but have his others looked scummy to you aswell?

I was not in danger of a lynch
I actually posted quite a lot at the beginning of d2 just lost interest when those fights between derpy & ic slot occurred
So you can't really make those 2 equal
And about CS, I don't know his iso by heart but its the general vibe that his posts give. I rely a lot on feelings and that's a good enough reason for me.

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Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

You say it as if I only became active because of that though. So what you are saying is when I said last week I would be a bit more inactive until the weekend I could foresee what was going to happen in the future once I was able to be more active?

The self defense has transitioned to flailing, how nice

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He was the one who defended ucv about the scum slip, and the fishy activity.

I was the one who actually led the wagon, never did I defend UC.
I just said the slip was an idiotic argument because it was.
Anyway im just too lazy and have no interest whatsoever. This day went on for too long and has been so unproductive/uninteresting

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What do you like about Taiho?

Also, looks like only one of Cs and Quick can be scum.
I'd like to see how Quick fields this question about Wilky lying - after that I'm probably willing to help you lynch one of those two slots unless you can make a cogent argument for why Wilky is more likely.

Taiho's sanity makes me think town. I mean Derp has been fighting the ic claimed slot for 10 pages now, quick is voting/unvoting, sheeping like a madman, wilky has been keeping a low profile, commenting in things that just help in no way, ic(or at least tsq) played like shit and cs did that hammer. Taiho on the other has played relatively well and has provided good arguments in his posts.

And about quick and wilky - wilky has been on my radar since day 1 and that's why I'd prefer him over quick. Quick day 1 wasn't as bad as his d2 while wilky has stayed the same both days.

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pressuring lurkers (494) , asking why people haven't voted (379), stating the obvious (445, 495, 533), etc.

Idk half the player list is guilty of those

that leaves four people: wilky, gameplay, quick and taiho. taiho i'm currently null on, and for wilky and quick i'd like to do a deeper rereading of the thread to solidify my reads. that leaves gameplay as the lynch that makes the most sense.

Uh-huh
That was a sweet PoE
Idk guys i have tentative reads on 4 slots, 1 is null, the two scummiest players I am not gonna read today so lets settle for the final one because of reasoning provided by tsq on day 1 regarding RVS ( because post 239 is about RVS)
Hard not to discredit that one

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I also know this is odd due to him being Quick's choice du jour - but I don't hate the Gamer wagon either. I probably won't vote it due to my current reads, but I would advocate people consolidating on Quick or Gamer.

So why would you advocate it?

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Because you don't look particularly townie compared to the other options.
Why shouldn't I advocate it?

Because you said you don't find me scummy and that you probably won't vote me?
You said you found me lurky and I don't really get why I am getting so much pressure for my inactivity. I mean get ur game right, stop getting into useless fights and making walls and I will start reading and playing. I am not obliged to make more than 1 post per 48 hours so fk off.

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Wilky is scum
Fkin lynch wilky wtf
U guys are so fkin idiotic

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LOL
im still in this
so why wasn't I lynched yesterday?

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XDDD
1 MINUTE OFF
you guys
seriously need to fk off

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my 3 scumreads are still alive
can you grant gameplay, the one who cheated death, his wish and lynch wilky?
or north?
or quick?
I won't even bother with posts or cases just count me in for voting any of those 3

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by the way, gameplay's reaction reads to me like scum surprised to still be around rather than town happy to be alive. still okay with a lynch there.

so you think Im scum and I skipped the whole night phase and just now realised im alive
huh

Forget quick and wilky. North gotta die. He pushed me yesterday under dumb reasoning and he is continuing to come up with even more retarded reasoning for my lynch.
Derpy you have what, 200 posts? 189 of them are probably you fighting with IC slot which equals thrash content. Ty for labeling my posts useless but I suggest you stay silent on that one.
Wilky bruh you're after ur partner north.

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The point of the hypothetical is to teach people that you just can’t believe a person at face value when they claim and that’s literally what every single person in this game did beside me.

Ye cus every single person in this game can actually think logically. You are just the definition of insanity, sorry.

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If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

I've been lurking this whole game but ye
And voting the only clear player in mylo isn't really the definition of towny
@thor
North
Wilky
Quick
That order

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Actually I take it back, in your case its the definition of a VI

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There is reasoning
But its in my head, not here

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And voting the only clear player in mylo isn't really the definition of towny

Nobody did that as far as I could tell.

?

Actually I take it back, in your case its the definition of a VI

Don’t insult me bro. I’ll report your ass

Hahaha

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Look the scum brothers show up around the same time like a tag team or something. Pretty sure we found scum boys

ye and thor is our mentor
grats derpy you solved the game

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I am trying. But there is nothing more I can offer. I can answer anything you want me to regarding my reads/thoughts.
And I am confident enough in my reads so I see no point in engaging in useless talks just to get info.

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If your definition of doing something boils down to making crappy posts which lack any logic and have the length of the Great Wall of China, then yeah, I wasn't trying and I sure as hell wish I never play like that.
I keep it short and simple. Just the essential parts, easier to read, easier to comprehend. I read the game for myself, make my own reads, I ain't here to put on airs and pretend Im the greatest scumhunter on this site making long ass posts every hour.
You should try it, it will sure make you less obnoxious

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by the way, gameplay's reaction reads to me like scum surprised to still be around rather than town happy to be alive. still okay with a lynch there.

so you think Im scum and I skipped the whole night phase and just now realised im alive
huh

Forget quick and wilky. North gotta die. He pushed me yesterday under dumb reasoning and he is continuing to come up with even more retarded reasoning for my lynch.
Derpy you have what, 200 posts? 189 of them are probably you fighting with IC slot which equals thrash content. Ty for labeling my posts useless but I suggest you stay silent on that one.
Wilky bruh you're after ur partner north.

can you explain how my reasoning, today or yesterday, has been dumb? i'm inclined to think of this as just a misrepresentation but i'm interested in what you have to say. even more, why does me pushing you with poor reasoning make me scum? literally the line after you say that i'm scum for poor reasoning you mention the person this game who's deathtunnelled the claimed tracker. why does it make me scum and not derpy?

Because derpy reasoning is absurd and it feels genuine. No scum would ever put himself in such a position unless really bold.
Your reasoning is poor and seems stitched together. Doesn't even seem genuine and it mostly borrows tsq's reasoning which is bad enough as it is but it was relevant for RVS not for now. I even addressed that but you didn't reply. There's the difference.

@Wilky it isn't that I don't want to share reads, I just don't have time to type that out.
@Thor - north just feels the most fake and forced from all those 3.

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Was torn between idiot/scum on quick but his recent posts make me lean on the former.
Wilky at least gives me a more genuine feel compared to north and seems like really trying to figure it out.
That's why out of the 3 I am sold most on north

Pedit; Im talking about ur IC reasoning don't roll your eyes at me, we all know its absurd

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I’m bored. Have y’all at least come to some sort of conclusion on what we are doing yet?

Have you?

I think we should no lynch.

Yeah. Lynch game. He’s not playing. I don’t think he’s town. I’m willing to roll the dice cause if he’s town he’s essentially game thrown.

NL isn’t going to help me cause I’ll jusy vote him tomorrow and if he’s town we lost and it’s still his fault. He’s scum or we lose. He clearly doesn’t care either way.

Ty for prodding me now go back to VI village and don't bother me anymore

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right then - who is actually scumreading who? could everyone give some kind of readslist or just who they think is scum in their next post? just trying to get myself into this game a bit more - i feel bad about my low contributions, especially given that i replaced a low-content slot.

personally i place the scumteam as gameplay and quick.

Uh-huh and why did you even bother asking me something if you're not gonna reply to it

again

?

And what a nice coincidence it is that wilky and north are on the same page

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I explained it
Might wanna learn to read

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Iso me and read everything I have said about you and north/cs slot today and on previous days. I am not going to pile it all into one post for you.
This post was a reply to thor on why I was feeling best about northscum.
And Im not scumreading derpy.

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Right so looking through your ISO you said I looked like "frustrated town" in D1. This then changed to you saying I looked like I was bussing UC. Frustrated town wasn't a scum read reason and I obviously wasn't bussing UC considering he flipped town.

D2 you say I had an opportunistic D1 (i'll be honest and say I don't know what you mean by that) and follow it up by saying you had been scum reading me ALL THROUGH D1. Clearly not as I was frustrated town to you in D1 then apparently bussing someone who flipped town.

I have to fact check the rest but if true wilky just made a slam dunk argument for scum game.

You just know your reasons are bad if Derpy agrees with them.
I said you looked frustrated t very early in the game then changed my opinion. Is changing one's opinion a thing only scum do? Please.

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Piling on here.

Wilky has had a really opportunistic day 1 and he continues that on day 2. He hasn't took any stances or placed any votes.

If wilky hasn’t placed any votes yet, it’s illogical to say somebody is opportunistic if they haven’t voted.

It actually is. By opportunistic I mean somebody who is positioning himself to do a vote, push, etc. It doesn't have anything to do with votes in my book.

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Regarding the CS/NSG scum reasoning this is the only reason I can find in your whole iso for scum reading them and it basically reads in other words. NORTHS GOT TO DIE BECAUSE SHE PUSHED MY LYNCH.

Even if that's the case I find it sufficient. I know I'm town and somebody pushing me with shit made up reasoning sure is gonna rub me the wrong way. What about that wilky?

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See this is why I don’t think you are town quick. Wilky made some very good points that make game look bad. You didn’t even comment on them. You as town should be interested in seeing if he’s right and see game’s Response

Good points only according to you lol.

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a no lynch is pointless. for one, thor will probably just be killed, which doesn't really help us. if we assume the doctor saves thor then we still haven't really learned anything, especially given that there's the possibility of a 1 shot bulletproof. the people likely to die are also the people unlikely to be lynched, so it doesn't narrow the pool down.

someone will have to explain this to me.

And a mislynch might end the game. So there's that.
If you are this sure I am scum and provided you are supporting a lynch, why isn't your vote on me?

It’s why I still think he could be scum. I really see no purpose to argue like that as town. Like admit your errors and deal with it. Don’t argue semantics and twist things.

Jesus
Just keep it quiet there and stop spilling bs

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Derpy, lets not start another argument with Thor.

Quick, Thor's argument against you was not the same as mine but was based off your reaction to mine as he has said multiple times. This is just another time you have tried to twist words and make it say what

you

want it too say and not what is actually being said. Why are you so insistent on twisting words?

Why are you ignoring me?

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No, it isn't a scum thing to change your opinion but you said I was on your radar throughout the whole of D1... So which was it?

Throughout the meaningful part of D1.
Is there a reason I should go into details about this? Is it going to prove I am scum? No. You are just grasping at straws right now.

So who or what was I being opportunistic with? I didn't really have a main scum read in the beginning of D2. I then pushed a case on Quick and stuck with it throughout D2... Surely if I was being opportunistic I would have swayed between a couple of reads.

Exactly what I'm getting at. By not having a scumread you are positioning yourself to sway for any of the other players.

Right, well I know i'm town and therefore you are scum because I am town. Sufficient reasoning no?

Its not the same, so no. Try again

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1- That's not what you said though was it? You said I was on your radar all through D1

2- I had two scumreads D1 and both of them ended up lynched/killed... That left me back to square 1 D2 and I had too change my outlook on the game.

3- Why is it different?

1 - I am asking again. How does that in any way make me scum? Don't evade my question.

2- Yes its funny because your vote on UC is probably the worst on the wagon and Luca, the one who put so much pressure on you, died that night. Fishy isn't it. And even more so - I just read your back and forth with Luca and you started scumreading him only after he attacked you. I find myself in the same situation right now. I say you're scum, you jump back at me.

3 - Because I am not pushing ridiculous reasoning on you, I am actually being logical and not trying to make things up. But you on the other hand are getting nitpicky.


Pedit: The theater sure is real

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Who do you want lynched?

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And in what way does my activity correlate with my alignment?

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How?

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Oh god
I suggest you start thinking before writing so that you don't humiliate yourself anymore.

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Can we just ignore derpy?

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This is just ridiculous

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I deserve to get lynched?
You idiots deserve to lose. You give a pass to the scummiest things but are retarded enough to vote me for my activity. I hardly care about this game and I sure won't be trying to show the obvious to idiots like you two.

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So what was it?
Thor is scum cus he didnt color the vca and Im scum because I have little time
Damn derpy
North is as inactive as me why isn't he scum again?

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Wanna reply to me or your 2 existing brain cells just died out?

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Pathetic
Get your head out of your ass and stop losing us the game with your vote throwing
Unless you have anything other than '' you don't care'', I suggest you back off and read cs/north slot

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if you are town and we lose, I put this loss squarely on your shoulders.

And the rest of us on your shoulders
I'm done with you

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UNVOTE:

1- That's not what you said though was it? You said I was on your radar all through D1

2- I had two scumreads D1 and both of them ended up lynched/killed... That left me back to square 1 D2 and I had too change my outlook on the game.

3- Why is it different?

1 - I am asking again. How does that in any way make me scum? Don't evade my question.

2- Yes its funny because your vote on UC is probably the worst on the wagon and Luca, the one who put so much pressure on you, died that night. Fishy isn't it. And even more so - I just read your back and forth with Luca and you started scumreading him only after he attacked you. I find myself in the same situation right now. I say you're scum, you jump back at me.

3 - Because I am not pushing ridiculous reasoning on you, I am actually being logical and not trying to make things up. But you on the other hand are getting nitpicky.


Pedit: The theater sure is real

why is your only response to 1058 that it's "theater"?

What exactly do I have to respond to?
And while we are on it you still haven't responded to my posts about your "case".
But yeah

Hey look north is inactive and is dodging my posts/isn't giving reasoning and responses. Why isn't he scum wilky?

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Anyway that vote north made on me just solidified him as scum in my eyes.
Quick has been throwing his vote around the whole game so that fiasco on the previous page isn't really out of character for him. I still think he is just really dumb town.

VOTE: North

Same argument for activity applies not only to north but to cs even to a bigger degree. He did little to no explaining and got replaced because of his lurking. So why again did you give him this read exactly, wilky?

CSblastoise - No reading on him yet.

It just doesn't add up. It applies for me but doesn't for the north slot. Interesting.

Pedit: Where did you cast that suspicion ?

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What exactly do I have to respond to?
And while we are on it you still haven't responded to my posts about your "case".
But yeah

Hey look north is inactive and is dodging my posts/isn't giving reasoning and responses. Why isn't he scum wilky?

i mean, there's a pretty obvious question there - that's what i want you to respond to.

your points? you just called my reasons generic and accused other people of doing the same thing - that's not really a defense of yourself. here's my scumread on you summed up in one sentence - you don't care about figuring out who scum is this game, and it's because you are scum.

So you're just going to copy Derpy's reasoning now?

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Ohhh, no, no, no
That's not the point
The point is that he was

lurking and not giving explanations

.
Remember, the same things you voted me for?

Also I like it how north gives you a null read despite your 80+ posts here:

that leaves four people: wilky, gameplay, quick and taiho. taiho i'm currently null on, and for wilky and quick i'd like to do a deeper rereading of the thread to solidify my reads. that leaves gameplay as the lynch that makes the most sense.

I might just be delusional because its really late but I sure as hell am seeing something here.

Pedit: And yes somehow you forget about north and jump on me for reasons that apply to him as well. Basically what I'm getting at for the last 20 minutes

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I'm voting you because you fucked up by contradicting yourself and imo failed on a quick hammer but yeah... Completely fucked up.

You said the scumteam is me and him. How can he fail a quickhammer if we are scum together?
Jesus

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I must have missed the post where CS said that there reads were in their head and weren't posted on here. I love how you're totally trying to twist this whole affair but my whole vote on you was not on you lurking and not sharing reads. You specifically said your votes were in your head and pretty much said they were staying there.

Where in that post does North give me a null reading exactly? North gives Taiho a null reading and says they'd have to re-read the thread on me and quick.

So you are saying that if cs said he had reads but was too lazy to type them you would find him scummy but not saying anything and not sharing anything isn't scummy?
Uh can you repeat?

And yes he basically gives no stance on you. If that isn't just the definition of trying to evade giving a read on you, idk what is.

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you know guys, 4 or so hours left in the day is not the best time to have these conversations.

Huh

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I am not twisting this for my own agenda because I still think activity is not AI. What I am saying is that you are having double standards when using that activity argument - it applies for some but not for others for whom it would be even more appropriate if you believe in such a thing as lurking=scum.

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I am not twisting this for my own agenda because I still think activity is not AI. What I am saying is that you are having double standards when using that activity argument - it applies for some but not for others for whom it would be even more appropriate if you believe in such a thing as lurking=scum.

I didn't scum-read you for lurking. It was because you refused to share those reads giving the reason that the votes were in your head so yes you are twisting it for your own agenda.

VOTE: Gameplay for twisting things to suit himself.

I am not twisting shit. You are just getting more and more caught into your bullshit. A minute ago you were even saying that I was town being quickhammered. I mean what else is there to say.

I am not twisting this for my own agenda because I still think activity is not AI. What I am saying is that you are having double standards when using that activity argument - it applies for some but not for others for whom it would be even more appropriate if you believe in such a thing as lurking=scum.

Ignore the activity. You’ve done less to help town than anyone else alive.

Now argue how that’s not AI. I’d love to hear that.

I am supposed to play the detective and question people when I see no need to just to "help town"?
I form my own reads and I draw my own conclusions. If you guys were handicapped, sure I would gladly give in depth explanations but since you are not there is just no need for me to play that role. Try to fit that into your head - lurking, making short posts, not giving explanations doesn't make someone scum. The motivation and logic behind one's posts is what matters and my motivation and logic have never been off this game.
Can't say the same for north/wilky.

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I am not twisting this for my own agenda because I still think activity is not AI. What I am saying is that you are having double standards when using that activity argument - it applies for some but not for others for whom it would be even more appropriate if you believe in such a thing as lurking=scum.

I think its ironic you only show up as being acting in LyLo when people want you dead.

Since my lynch would result in a game over for town I don't see anything ironic in that one.
I think your attempt to throw shade just failed.

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I also said that Derpy could be right on the fake hammer but I guess that doesn't fit into your narrative there

Oh ye sorry am I twisting things again?
You said it only after I called you out on it so please

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I prolly feel best about North prolly.

Like for a lynch?

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Lylo so don't throw votes

Going from that night result I would say their is a 1sbp in the game rather than a doctor then?

Stating the obvious?

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i'm the one shot bulletproof.

agreeing with wilky here.

Ye no
VOTE: North


Had a busy last two days so here I am
North is confscum

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That interaction between wilky/quick is meh but derp is town and those last posts by quick throwing shade at him are pretty bad

Yet north/wilky still make more sense

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hahahaha, take all the time to think it out you need, scum! counterclaiming, yes/no?

Sorry I don't understand scum language
Wanna die now?

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My like last 10 posts at the end of day 1 were about north/wilky and how fishy their interactions were.
Might wanna start reading my posts you guys

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see, i think gameplay isn't saying whether or not he's counterclaiming explicitly as some kind of fallback - so he can say "i just didn't believe you" rather than the commitment of counterclaiming.

Are you serious right now?
I warned people not to throw votes at the beginning of the day and now I vote just because ''I don' t believe'' your claim? Given that everyone has posted and no one else has cc' ed there would be no reason for me to not believe your claim unless I didn't know for a fact it was a lie.
Cmon now, you really have to stop pushing that shitty reasoning.

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Game's case on me/north partnership is bullshit btw. It basically starts off with Game saying to me why aren't you scumreading north and when I reply saying I had cast doubt on the slot he starts murmuring on about CS being inactive and blah, blah.

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are you serious here? this was quite obviously scum game's only chance at surviving a lynch today - i'm not sure how you can possibly believe that. even more, what motivation would i have as scum to just flat out claim bulletproof here? like, it puts me into a 1v1 that i really didn't need to put myself into - it just doesn't make sense.

What a load of shit
The motivation is obvious - if you didn't claim then 1 person would've just been cleared. It doesn't matter whether you were going to do it at the beginning of the day or after the claim, you still had to do it

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And what's even better is that following your style you choose to completely ignore my posts and go for appealing to the group
Meh

Pedit: You cant actually be serious quick

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this doesn't make sense - if i was scum one person being cleared would not be a big enough deal for me to get myself into a 1v1. even more, look at my claim - first post of the day, literally no ambiguity. i didn't wait for someone else to claim first to see if they were an easy target to 1v1, i didn't wait until it was convenient, i just claimed.

Lol
How exactly is clearing one player not a big deal for scum?
And ye what I've been saying. You have to do it.
Better early so that you can push that argument than later

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i've been thinking about it a bit and i think i'm actually okay with the no-lynch that seems inevitable at this point. it makes a bit more sense to me now.

a no lynch is pointless. for one, thor will probably just be killed, which doesn't really help us. if we assume the doctor saves thor then we still haven't really learned anything, especially given that there's the possibility of a 1 shot bulletproof. the people likely to die are also the people unlikely to be lynched, so it doesn't narrow the pool down.

someone will have to explain this to me.

if anyone still doubts me at this point,

me being bulletproof is part of the reason why i didn't want a no-lynch yesterday:

i knew that there wasn't a doctor, so i figured that thor would just die.

VOTE: gameplay

Lynch all liars, was it?

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And what's even better is that following your style you choose to completely ignore my posts and go for appealing to the group
Meh

Pedit: You cant actually be serious quick

yeah - i know for a fact that you're scum, so there's not a lot of point interacting with you all that much. i'm just trying to make sure that everyone else here sees the obvious - you're lying.

You saw no point in addressing my arguments against your case either
You scared that I am just going to get you more caught in your bullshit?

Pedit: Given that the pool of players goes down to 4, half of them being scum a 1v1 is preferable. And no, the only not easy target would've been Derpy and it isn't hard to see he isn't a pr by the way he has played this game.

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I like it how chill you were the past days and when shit goes down you lose your temper.
You are doing a really great job at proving you are scum lol

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first of all, i'm not even sure where today i've been ignoring your arguments. second, this isn't an argument either - you're just trying to take cheap shots to attack my credibility.

We both know I am not talking about today. And no I am not taking cheap shots, I am just replying to your arguments and proving them wrong.

the lack of self-awareness is astounding. by the way, not sure how you're getting me losing my temper from anywhere. i'm pretty happy that most of the stress of self-doubt has been taken away from this lylo.

That hysteric laugh from a few posts ago sure says something completely different.

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What the fuck derpy
Unvote before quick gets his ass here
Jesus what's wrong with you

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North/quick is confirmed.

i'm not asking you to tell me what my thought process is, i'm asking you to consider how realistic it is for me to fake claim bulletproof as scum here. what motivation would i have to do it? there's no good answer to that question, and the reason is because i'm not scum and i'm not fake claiming here.

And I already answered that.

You countered that by saying two things:
1.

if i were scum it would've been more beneficial for me to wait and see if the bulletproof was an easy target for a 1v1

2.

even more, what motivation would i have as scum to just flat out claim bulletproof here? like, it puts me into a 1v1 that i really didn't need to put myself into - it just doesn't make sense.

1 is incorrect because all of us are easy targets except Derpy who is universally town read. But he earned that town read through his play style which in no way suggests a power-role. So there was no way you were not going against an easy target.
2 For the argument "I claimed first, why would I as scum". You know you

have

to claim at one point because by clearing one of me, wilky, quick you are basically solving the game for town. And its better to do it first rather than counterclaim.

Its not that far from mind and I don't see why you keep on pushing that reasoning that it makes no sense for you to claim first. It does and you are scum.
Unfortunately derpy just threw the fkin game

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What the fuck derpy
Unvote before quick gets his ass here
Jesus what's wrong with you

I’m confident you are scum. If you aren’t play better next time.

Play better?
Have you seen how you played?
Fkin unvote me and don't lose the game

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I mean even if you don't trust me at all at least give me a chance to interact with north and try to prove he is scum instead of throwing the game

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North/quick is confirmed.

North/Quick is just as confirmed as Game/Quick though isn't it?? Just because you have CC'ed doesn't automatically make it true.

From your pov sure. But from mine north/quick is confirmed

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Why tf would I claim in mylo
And even more why would I claim with my first post in lylo?
Think ffs

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So you're telling Derpy to unvote because North/Quick are confirmed but the only people who could answer that truthfully are yourself/quick/north and you're all going to give different answers here aren't you?

No Im telling derpy to unvote because that vote is absolutely retarded and is essentially game throwing.
The north/quick comment was me making a remark not making an argument on why derpy should unvote me.

Pedit: Bruh you were wrong about Thor. Dead wrong. You are wrong about me. Unvote.

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Wilky its exactly what I said. Read my posts.

Derpy cool. I'm done with you.
It's just not worth the effort to try to win this on the behalf of town with players like you.
I'm out

Pedit: I have never seen a rule that I should claim in my first post. I was going to claim eventually but I saw no reason to at the beginning of the day. Whatever we done

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You did great Quick <3
It was great playing with you all : )

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It's a secret

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Even a bigger one