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This was my rvs vote and yes I read them. I also saw that he gave a town read so fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast when it hasn't been longer than 24 hours.In post 57, DeasVail wrote:Why did you make the vote then? Have you read Augustus’ posts?-
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@Datisi Town doesn't know each other and they don't know who is scum. For me it takes around 48-72 hours to get a town read.
@Augustus The slight town read you gave on Ari I wasn't able to see how was that towny. Why do you like #60 from Datisi when you said that's very within their scum range? Since you said that is within their scum range then shouldn't you have been cautious?
@Aristophanes Did you mean how many games I played after the backrooms? I played 2 games.-
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I have seen scum before throw out early town reads and I have to ask myself what was it the player did that made them a town read since I wasn't able to see it being towny. It varies how long it takes me to get a scum read on day 1.In post 86, Datisi wrote:
i'm aware how the game of mafia works. why are early townreads suspicious? how long does it take you to get a scumread?In post 85, Adorable wrote:@Datisi Town doesn't know each other and they don't know who is scum. For me it takes around 48-72 hours to get a town read.-
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I did not like the way how you voted me saying I look fake.In post 88, Datisi wrote:do you have thoughts on me yet?
I asked my team what do they think of the players after I made #85 and one of them gave me their takes. I'll get to that in about 15-30 minutes.In post 91, Augustus Caesar wrote:puff puff puff
how much have you spoken to your team about reads or anything?
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I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.In post 114, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm not doing extra work to "take out" the flourishes and get to the meat of the content, i have three other games to keep up with as part of team mafia at the same time, and i'm starting a new job next week. it's a cost benefit analysis. i find the fact people are allowed to play on alts extremely annoying, i find the posting quirk extremely annoying -- and there's a high ratio of annoying quirky posts compared to the rest of the game. if hectic wants me to read posts they could just post normally instead of wrapping it behind a layer of alt account shtick? why is it on me to accommodate hectic's posting?
i'm disregarding the slot for my own ability to keep up with and read the game and not be miserable. i've asked my team to help me read hectic's posts. if hectic wants to drop the style ill read and respond to what they have to say.
as for your point about adorable, taken a diff way, it's "well adorable's meta is to be strange and an easy vote". i know nothing about adorable. i've never seen them before. and meta is trash anyway. i voted adorable bc of their exchange with DV, which i already said. that's not "strange". that's a straight up lie. adorable claimed to vote on nothing just pure RVS... then upon being questioned explained they did ACTUALLY vote for a reason... and then upon being pushed further by DV, completely ignored DV and jumped onto other things. that's scummy. idgaf about their meta.
Was this Hopkirk's meta read on Reck? I have had bad experience on meta reads because the players who town read a player for meta turned out to be scum in the end.In post 117, Augustus Caesar wrote:Hopkirk thoughts:
-Doesn't get immediate townpings on Adorable like he did in Death Curse
-Doesn't think it's impossible for Reck to just be angry town. His impression of him is that he gets angry at stuff for no reason
>Is now giving him a quick skim on the relationships thread in the speakeasy lol
>I asked him what he found and he didn't reply. I think he was joking
-Says that his vague memory of previous games with him suggest it could come from town!him
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This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.
-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.
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Reck's reasoning to their vote looked suspicious to me. It was the way how they worded it because I went to sleep and they said I dipped.In post 127, The Bulge wrote:
what is so concerning about voting before engaging this early in the game? he did far far more to engage you than what you did before you voted, for example.In post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way howyou just straight up voted mesaying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
After catching up I've been liking Hectic so far.In post 129, Summer Nights wrote:is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?
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Reason why I didn't like the way how you voted me is because this is something I have also seen scum do where they would call a player fake and that's an easy read for scum to give.In post 132, Datisi wrote:hot take: hectic/reck are t/t
i think? i feel similar-ish to this? could you talk about this a bit more?In post 108, xofelf wrote:Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
ok like i think i'm getting pinged more by adorable. 122 is kinda vaguely talking about - oh there was a bad meta read once - that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than being filler. also the question to hectic in 85 doesn't get answered and i don't think she really cares for it? also like bulge's 127.
why?In post 119, Adorable wrote:I did not like the way how you voted me saying I look fake.
i'm also very interested in this one.In post 128, Adorable wrote:- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
The reason why he said your townread on DV was not the best was because he thought scum would be coming in solving as well.-
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The way how you approached me made me like you.In post 144, Augustus Caesar wrote:
Puff loves bringing up stuff like this as both alignments. She talks a lot about theory and how she saw scum do "this one thing one time" and then vaguely fits it to what someone did in the current game. NAI I think.In post 132, Datisi wrote:ok like i think i'm getting pinged more by adorable. 122 is kinda vaguely talking about - oh there was a bad meta read once - that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than being filler. also the question to hectic in 85 doesn't get answered and i don't think she really cares for it? also like bulge's 127.
midwaybear's thoughts in 128 are okay, don't see anything wrong with them.
Puff, what changed your mind and made you like me in 134?
Oh, so part of my reasoning for townreading Puff earlier is because if she had a scumteam as well as Team Mafia teammates, I'd expectsomelevel of coaching to be happening behind the scenes. And if that's the case, I don't see them letting her enter with a "early townreads are suspicious, how can you even have a townread so early" theory line of attack which is obviously flawed, and could easily attract attention/suspicion.
I asked her how much she'd conversed with her team though and apparently she only did after the fact. Still think there's validity in it though, because her team or scumteam would probably proactively try and help her out considering the occasion and all.
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What are you talking about? Hectic asked me how much have I spoken to my team about reads and I said that I asked my team before Hectic even asked me about reads. What you're saying makes no sense here because how am I scum panicking when I have already asked my team long ago about on what did they think of the players.In post 180, DeasVail wrote:
I would have thought that one of the most striking things from a reads perspective would have been my push of you, yet midwaybear has no opinion on it.In post 128, Adorable wrote:This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.
-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.
These thoughts are through #9-#87
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My vote on Augustus was an rvs and I don't even know what you are asking in the second sentence. Are you asking me what's so harmful about my vote on Hectic?In post 177, DeasVail wrote:
Is a vote not a form of engagement?In post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
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you literally posted replying to other people and not DVIn post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
you're *still* ignoring DV after being called out on it???
I can't respond to every single post and there will always be a post I will miss. When I came back which was around 10 hours later I responded to Datisi, Hectic, Ari, and I missed out on DV's post.-
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Can you explain here the town read on Xof? You said less town on Reck but still leaning town. Why did you say less town on Reck?In post 172, DeasVail wrote:In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
Xof-town. Reck less town but still leaning town.In post 109, xRECKONERx wrote:
this 100%In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live
but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.
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I was not satisfied with your answer and it didn't make sense to me.In post 198, Datisi wrote:
eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of thisIn post 196, The Bulge wrote:ok so same situation I'm talking about because flashwagoning galaxii implies you weren't happy with the leading wagons of titus and klyne. except insisting on looking at it from that angle makes it an even less apt comparison because stating a scumread will almost always be more relevant than stating you think a pair is t/t. and I am really not super concerned with your choice of words, maybe ydra cares more about that, idk.
i dunno. like "i don't like the way you voted me because i saw scum call a player fake" and "scum would be solving too" all feel like. spewing theory that maybe is maybe isn't connected to the game and it's being used to force reads. like i don't think i see the theory being ~applied~.In post 195, Adorable wrote:Reason why I didn't like the way how you voted me is because this is something I have also seen scum do where they would call a player fake and that's an easy read for scum to give.
The reason why he said your townread on DV was not the best was because he thought scum would be coming in solving as well.
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I don't like gut reads because that can sometimes be a good way for scum to give out a read. Your town read on Reck I need more to that than just a gut read.In post 151, Datisi wrote:i think hectic is town
and i think reck is town
so their spat is t/t
if you're asking *why* i think so, i already gave some thoughts on hectic earlier and he hasn't pinged me in a bad way yet so
reck is some weird lol-gut-townread also i'm vibing with his adorable interactions
hot take doesn't necessarily have to mean "ok wow nobody's ever thought of this ever get ready to have your fuckin mind blown"
it's my way of speaking idk
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There seems to be alot of misunderstanding. I did an rvs vote on Augustus and I said was that I saw he gave a town read fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast. I didn't have a read on him when I did an rvs vote on him and I wanted to observe him more afterwards before I decide on my read on him.In post 209, petapan wrote:bulge townie
adorable in 56 you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in 58 you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?-
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Sorry about that. I missed your post when I came back from my 10 hours absence. There will always be some posts I will miss from other players and that's why if there is anything I missed and did not respond you will have to ask me again.In post 213, DeasVail wrote:Thanks for that Adorable
How did it take so long to just say that given the amount of air time the whole thing has gotten in the thread?-
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What happened was I saw he gave a fast town read, I did an rvs vote on him and wanted to observe him more when I come back before I decide on my read on him.In post 216, petapan wrote:so, you voted him for rvs reasons, then after you voted him, when asked about him, you read his stuff and came away wondering about the townread? is that correct?-
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The part when you said "the vote wasn't based on anything" what does that mean? I interpreted this as in I didn't give a serious vote.In post 218, petapan wrote:but you said the vote wasn't based on anything when asked?-
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Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.
I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.
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On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early
so at most, one of them is scum IMO
I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.-
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You were complaining about spam posting, I didn't like the reasoning of your vote on me at #99, I don't like your attitude and it comes off to me as performative and over the top.In post 267, xRECKONERx wrote:
why are you scum reading meIn post 264, Adorable wrote:Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.
I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.
VOTE: xRECKONERx-
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With the way you are behaving you really do need to stop and that's part of the reason why I'm scum reading you. My teammates have been encouraging me to engage with you but with the way how you are behaving it is hard for me to.In post 269, xRECKONERx wrote:cheet and shea have told me to stop being an asshole and read hectic's posts bc they're not that bad. fine. coming later. ive got zoomthings happening right now.-
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Hectic said he has a tinfoil reason to townlean you and I'll trust him on this. I have been town reading Hectic and he is a really good scum hunter. There are 3 games I played with Hectic where he correctly called out a scum player.In post 280, Datisi wrote:ok. can we talk about what the utter dumpster fire this wagon is? like, peta's vote on it is the least bad one, and that's saying something. hectic's vote is kinda like. bleh. made in some sorta anger, then getting told by teammates he's overreacting, then just kinda like staying on the wagon. not good but like whatever. i'm still net +town on hectic i'm just saying.
last night, duck was yelling at me for not trying to get aristophanes killed yet. and like i think he's right. ari's vote here boiled down to "reck feels off", when called out on it, ari did a "ok maybe not but whatever" (113). i believe he was asked to elaborate further, and he's just...? dipped the thread??? ok.
i was gonna come in this morning after my 3 and a half hours of sleep and offer a hot take and vote ari but like.adorable.
i don't like my 229 ignored. now before you say "adorable didn't see it!!" no no here's the thing. adorable has been brewing a scumread on me for a few posts now. (119, 195, 206, 207) when your scumread, who you believe is pushing a misexe on you, is doing what i'm doing, do you really just ~miss~ it?
now her reasons for scumreading reck boil down to a bunch of nai shit (personality) and his first vote against her. but like. she's been talking about the scumread on me for far longer. now all of a sudden i'm forgotten, and she votes reck? i wonder if the fact that reck was on three votes and i was on zero has anything to do with that.
also also can i just point out how... bad the read on xof is? like, at first it was applying vague mafia theory without looking at the context of the game. but now it's applying *wrong* vague mafia theory. the idea that scum never defend each other is insane and i'm lowkey weirded out nobody's brought this up?
I didn't like how xof said me and Summer are a team and I pretty much said why. This also made me think scum wanted to set up a fake team.-
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Having to read your post on #280 it looked like it was coming from town and this was your first post that pinged town to me. I don't know how to word it well and by fake team I thought scum would want to call out 2 players as the scum team. xof called Summer and me as the team and when I flip town you will see the read that was made about Summer and me was garbage.In post 291, Datisi wrote:
do you plan to just blindly follow hectic the whole game? is your whole suspicion on me magically gone because he said he has ~reasons~ to townlean me?In post 283, Adorable wrote:Hectic said he has a tinfoil reason to townlean you and I'll trust him on this. I have been town reading Hectic and he is a really good scum hunter. There are 3 games I played with Hectic where he correctly called out a scum player.
I didn't like how xof said me and Summer are a team and I pretty much said why. This also made me think scum wanted to set up a fake team.
yeah you said why and i said why i think your reason is made up. can you elaborate on "fake team"? surely after you flip town, the "fake team" goes in the garbage, no?-
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This is funny because midway told me yesterday he is worried you are pocketing me and he said to watch out for that.In post 297, Augustus Caesar wrote:also, i have been a little paranoid of Adorable's read on me. Adorable has scumread me in like 3/4 of the games we've been together while she was town, no joke. so when she came out with a solid townread on me, I was incredulous to say the least. I think my weird joking/gimmicking style is what sets off her scumdar, and i'd think my over the top gimmicking in this game would yield the same reaction... but nope.
she started townreading me after i was townreading her so uh, paranoid of a pocket recommended by her teammates tbh
In post 265, Adorable wrote:Hectic I see you are also town reading Summer and what do you think of xof's post when they mentioned Summer and me?
like the fact she values my opinion here makes me feel warm and fuzzy, but is there an eye of SAURON underneath that puffy puff who knows what she's doing by trying to pocket me like this?"!?$?RIn post 266, Adorable wrote:
On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early
so at most, one of them is scum IMO
I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.
oh god, I almost forgot about this one. you've never ever complimented me like this before PuffIn post 283, Adorable wrote:Hectic said he has a tinfoil reason to townlean you and I'll trust him on this. I have been town reading Hectic and he is a really good scum hunter. There are 3 games I played with Hectic where he correctly called out a scum player.
am i paranoid? reassure me by explainingexactlywhy you townread me, like what about the way i approached you made you like me
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I town read you because you know that I'm the type of player who is very difficult and I argue with others. Your post on #147 you linked my games saying you have played alot with me and I find this very hard to believe scum would town read me and then link my games saying they played with me. Your recent concern I saw that you had about me was you said I'm going overboard outside both my townmeta and scummeta and then you start to think this could be scum indicative and I disagree with you.In post 314, Augustus Caesar wrote:alright alright alright
hey Puff, do you mind answering the questions i asked and/or addressing the concerns i had? i might even put in a good word for you with the don, get you promoted to rolecophint hint
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Aristophanes are you all caught up? Some of the stuff you have asked me have already been answered. The part when you asked me about what do I think of you using meta to defend me mean to me about my read on you is making me lean town on you. I don't believe in scum white knighting me and why should scum defend me when I could have been a really good push for scum to eliminate. In a world if I am ever being defended by scum, then this would mean that scum knows what my weakness is in my town games.-
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I actually really like this post. I have been really suspicious that there are at least 1 or 2 scum voting me and I had Reckoner as my scum read. 2 days ago midwaybear says he thinks Reckoner is town and he also thinks I'm getting pocketed by scum but I have been disagreeing with him. I see that Reckoner is also having the same problems as me since he thinks I'm scum but one of his team mate thinks I'm town who's getting pocketed by scum. I'm now starting to think Reckoner is town just after seeing this post.In post 404, xRECKONERx wrote:okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory
you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she mayactuallybe town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.
that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage
that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.-
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My town read on Aristophanes is on #377. DV scum read me earlier and then later he says he thinks he has a town read on me, I liked how he described his town read on Xof on #277 even though I disagreed with the town read, he keeps reevaluating which also looks townie. I like how Summer is writing her thoughts which looks town to me. I often find myself scum reading players who are participating. Earlier I was scum reading Datisi and Reckoner who have been participating and now I have been leaning town on them.In post 440, petapan wrote:why the townreads on DV, ari, and summer? do you often find people not participating to be scum, rather than simply not having the time? (i am aware i'm voting beeboy too, but have reasons that go beyond that)-
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I like #345, #348, #417, and #418.In post 444, petapan wrote:
this is very vague, which thoughts do you like?In post 443, Adorable wrote:I like how Summer is writing her thoughts which looks town to me.-
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On #345 she defended me and why would scum want to defend me when I could have been a good push for scum to eliminate. On #348 she showed a bit of a paranoia on Hectic who could be pocketing her which looked townie from her, on #417 she talks to Datisi being fearful about him being the deepwolf and I don't think scum would want to approach Datisi like, #418 looks real to me.In post 448, petapan wrote:...what about them?-
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I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.In post 450, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 449, Adorable wrote:
On #345 she defended me and why would scum want to defend me when I could have been a good push for scum to eliminate. On #348 she showed a bit of a paranoia on Hectic who could be pocketing her which looked townie from her, on #417 she talks to Datisi being fearful about him being the deepwolf and I don't think scum would want to approach Datisi like, #418 looks real to me.In post 448, petapan wrote:...what about them?
can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.In post 429, Adorable wrote:
I actually really like this post. I have been really suspicious that there are at least 1 or 2 scum voting me and I had Reckoner as my scum read. 2 days ago midwaybear says he thinks Reckoner is town and he also thinks I'm getting pocketed by scum but I have been disagreeing with him. I see that Reckoner is also having the same problems as me since he thinks I'm scum but one of his team mate thinks I'm town who's getting pocketed by scum. I'm now starting to think Reckoner is town just after seeing this post.In post 404, xRECKONERx wrote:okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory
you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she mayactuallybe town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.
that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage
that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.
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midwaybear said 3 days ago he is worried scum are defending me but I disagreed with him. I really liked your post you made on #404 where you were talking about agar's thoughts on the game and this looked like to me your team are helping you solve the game. From what I saw from agar is he said he thinks Hectic's post #256 read like tmi to him which would point to me being town. You said you disagreed with him with the read on me and Hectic. The fact that we have been disagreeing with our team mates is what made me started town reading you.In post 477, xRECKONERx wrote:
ah i see -- so your TEAMMATES are paranoid about scum defending you.In post 470, Adorable wrote:I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.
if you disagree with midwaybear, then why do you read me as town now?
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On 400 I saw you put Augustus as green and what made you change your mind all of a sudden?
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Why? And I also want to know is petapan the only town read Innocent has and what's the reasoning for the town read.In post 691, Sirius9121 wrote:pink fluff and bulge boi tbh?-
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I'm not able to tell if you're all caught up or not and I see you said Datisi/Reck are more likely scum not by much. I was scum reading Datisi and Reck earlier and I later on started to think they are town and I have them on my town read. Since you said you bet there is multiple scum on your wagon who are you suspecting are the multiple scum on your wagon?In post 766, RCEnigma wrote:
That didn't answer your other question.In post 721, RCEnigma wrote:Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck
The push on adorable from deas felt like they were pressuring adorable into making their rvs mean something and if it didn't it was scummy. Intimidation tactics basically. That pressure was compounded by your slot and recks slot piling on.
The two thoughts just reading through were:
1.) Coordinated shading (mostly because adorable looked like a vulnerable slot after Deas' line of questioning tripping them up)
B.) An opportunity to make the adorable slot a viable elim if nothing else opened itself up.
That would point to Datisi/reck as more likely scum than deas in that scenario but not by much if that makes sense.
Also I hadn't thought about it at the time but I don't really know how quickly the thread was progressing at the time so it might not have all been happening as fast as it played out in my head.
After looking at the VC on my rep in that didn't really line up, there is scum on my wagon and I'd bet multiple scum at that. Deas wasn't on my wagon when I made that statement, you weren't either so I figured I might have made a wrong assessment there.-
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Hectic what are you saying? Your post when you responded to RCEnigma's #766 you said the case/reasoning is fine and said it's likely there's just 1 or even 0 scum on the wagon and scum are fine with a town wagon being pushed. The way how I interpreted your post it looked like you are saying RCEnigma is town saying there is likely just 1 or 0 scum on the wagon and you still keep your vote on him.-
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Can anyone tell me what do they think of Xofelf? I did not like it when they called me and Summer a team. When I iso Xofelf at 829 they said along the lines of, "guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up." What did Xofelf mean by this? They also said their reads are gutreads but I don't like gutreads.-
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I find this really hard to believe. I don't trust gut reads and I find them misleading. If your reads as town are gut reads then I will assume you are a distraction to town.In post 1101, Datisi wrote:i was gone for over a day and the game progressed... less than a page.
this is actually a kinda sorta interesting line of thinking. am i insane for tinfoiling deas/bulge though? lol.In post 1096, DeasVail wrote:I considered pushing Bulge today and it is still a possibility imo but in some ways the weak case on Datisi is something that I think is less likely from scum while a lurker-buddy is being wagoned? No way Bulge thought that the Datisi case would save the beeboy slot. The more I type the more I feel uncomfortable with Bulge as scum.
what's the point of saying "oh i expect i'll be moving on"?? like it feels more ~for show~ rather than like. a towny thought process of solving another slot.In post 1100, DeasVail wrote:I would like to see something from xofelf today before moving on, but I expect I will be moving on.
someone please fucking call me scum or something so i have motivation for doing things
oh i know
hey, adorable!! literally *all* my reads as town are gut reads!! am i scum now??In post 1094, Adorable wrote:They also said their reads are gutreads but I don't like gutreads.-
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You were the one who stood out to me the most and yes it was also for calling me and Summer a scum team.In post 1102, xofelf wrote:Hi there, was busy when game started up.
I find it interesting that yesterday I was being looked at as being scummy if RCE was town and I hammered, but today now that he's not town, I'm scummy still? But also it was peta who was side-eying me for that hammer, if theoretically I was in fact scum, why the hell would I let that be the shot? I just look at all of these pieces and feel very:
I get Adorable didn't like my previous read on her, or apparently at all how I read anybody, but come on girl. This ain't it. Sirius is right, most of yesterday was gutreads, why are you singling me out for it? Is it just cuz I stated that's how I work or do you just dislike that I thought you and Summer could have been a team so much that you've got your teeth buried into it like a bulldog and you're never going to let it go?
I don't know what to tell you DV. I'm probably just overthinking posts in general. I'm trying to put effort in to be the most helpful I actually can be to make up for having a very broken care meter about most things lately. Sorry about that.
FWIW, Reck is right, really only Ceph is reading everybody else's games, he's our MVP. And is better at explaining me than I seem to be. The post about only having 3 days was not about RCE specifically, but rather the fact that personally I find it difficult to stay engaged with a mafia game, but so much less so when the entire game feels like they aren't engaging much at all. It takes me a lot of effort to any posts because either people are already saying what I want to say in so many more better words than I can and having my iso just be littered with "this" seems counterproductive, or I don't have anything new to contribute.
I remember I had some thoughts about some stuff I was going to post when day started but I have forgotten what they were. If I do remember, I'll come back with them.-
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I have already talked about this on day 1 with explanations and my posts were scattered in different posts.In post 1111, Datisi wrote:
my recent reads-streak and getting-nightkilled-streak *strongly* suggests otherwise but / s h r u gIn post 1109, Adorable wrote:I find this really hard to believe. I don't trust gut reads and I find them misleading. If your reads as town are gut reads then I will assume you are a distraction to town.
ok, let's hear it. what are your reads? bonus points if their basis *isn't* vague incorrect mafia theory that's been taken out of context.
These are the players I am currently leaning town on. Hectic, Reck, DV, Ari, Summer, Datisi, Creature.-
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These are the only players I have said on why I lean town on them.In post 1115, xofelf wrote:Okay, sure, but you also had Reck and Datisi as scum reads before and then said you had town leans on them, but at no point have you fully explained why you have town reads on them. The closest I can see is you said they were participating. You are wildly inconsistent.
Let me show you what I mean:
In 438 you talk about the beeboy slot not participating which is scummy. And then in 443 you say, and I quote "I often find myself scum reading players who are participating." and not even words later, "Earlier I was scum reading Datisi and Reckoner who have been participating and now I have been leaning town on them."
So which is it? And this is the closest to an explanation you give for your no longer scumreads on Reck and Datisi. You don't go more in depth, so it's real hard to follow why you think these things. You did respond to a post Reck made further up that said you might be leaning less scum, but you don't do that for Datisi. And you don't give actual theory or logical reasoning for this. You just say you like it, which is what a gutread often is!
Like you talk about people having gutreads being distracting to town, but what are you doing? Cuz you're impossible to follow and understand. I don't get you.
Town read on Reck is on 429 and 478
Town read on Hectic is on 340
Town read on DV is on 443
Town read on Summer is on 449
Town read on Aristophanes is on 377
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You said that your reads as town are gut reads and I assumed you are a distraction to town when you said that your reads are gut reads. A town player saying they have gut reads can end in a miss. I also find gut reads to be misleading and this is something I have seen scum do.In post 1116, Datisi wrote:i do not have the energy to look for explanations through your iso but i am glad someone else is doing god's work doing that.
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When I first started out in playing mafia games I learned from a veteran player on another site she said gutreads are scummy and from my play experience I have seen scum say that their reads are gutreads.In post 1139, Augustus Caesar wrote:
huhIn post 1135, Datisi wrote:for the record: i went through all adorable completed games yesreday. yes, literally all of them. open her iso, ctrl+f the word "gut". in only two (2) games was it actually mentioned (not in passing/quoting): this game, where she shitpushed bob on the basis of having gutreads... and an old towngame where she suspected someone for having gutreads.
now, i thought this was gonna be a slam-dunk, but as she *did* make a post like that as town once... i guess it isn't.
Did this thing about gutreads arise recently for you, Puff? When did you first adopt the opinion that gutreads are generally scummy?
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Why would you think this way about me? On day 1 you said town should be working together and I remember 2 of my town reads were town reading you on day 1 and on day 2 I asked what did the players think about you since I have been really suspicious of your play so far and it felt like I was the only player who was scum reading you.In post 1178, xofelf wrote:Or my entire day got eaten up and I am far too tired to give the post I intended to.
I will say, while I get why Creature is looking at my actions and reasoning them to be bad, I don't typically hammer at all in any game, I rarely vote for that matter. I was trying something new upon the recommendations of the only person in my team actually giving any sort of effort. Adorable I think has just been looking for anybody else to vote me first, so I'm not surprised by that one either.
Hoping today reset my caremeter enough that I can actually jump into this with some excitement. Also maybe I'll start my day with this rather than try to do it later in the day. That might be smarter.-
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I'm not able to see how this is scum indicative and this looks nai to me.In post 1213, Augustus Caesar wrote:to summarise:
>dues was VERY confident RCE was scum. last in his reads, and provided a scumcase on him
>dues unvotes as soon as RCE claims. he provides no explanation for why the claim should be given a night
>dues follows a vote onto Summer
>dues is not present while I am arguing that RCE should still die
>he now apparently doesn't really care if RCE is eliminated, and didn't attempt to discuss it with me or others at all
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