@innocentvillager,
In post 225, Zorblag wrote:@innocentvillager, thanks for that post. I do have a couple questions and am happy to talk about my page 7 posts that seem to be bothering you in a bit, though I'd like you to elaborate first.
What do you think of Gratuitous's posts the past couple pages. There's a change in tone and you don't seem to have mentioned that struck me as noteworthy. I'd also love to see if you can dig into what you don't like about ecane's resent posts as you seem to have a largely unique perspective there (in that no one else other than perhaps Gratuitous has mentioned it.)
For my page 7 posts, I wonder if you can tell me what you think my motivation as scum might have been to do what I did? I can understand not seeing what I was up to, but I'm wondering why you think it was scum play in particular.
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
It looks like I asked less than I recall, but I was trying to get the question in during a window you were there for. I actually did talk about why I made the play I did in
Post 228 but as you still list my behavior as mixed due to primarily that one part I'm still curious.
As far as your call for breadcrumbing, how am I misrepresenting you? If scum know that PRs are likely to be breadcrumbing anything they're more likely to pick up on it. We shouldn't be calling for that. You should let PRs use their own judgement about when to reveal information and we shouldn't be doing any speculation in thread as that just helps the scum potentially eliminate non-PRs. I want to explicitly claim that I'd make these statements regardless of role, that's just from a theory perspective. There might come a time in the game when a popcorn claim makes sense, but we're not there yet.
@Jaack, and now I'm not going to wait for you to reply as waiting does this game no good. I do still very much want to hear your answer though; I don't expect you to have suspected Gratuitous might be a Power Role for the reasons that I did so I really want to see what you had in mind.
I'll also say (again) that your end of day one play was really poor for town. More-so if you thought that Gratuitous was a PR. You were on during the last 24 hours of the day when you knew that I was intending to hammer your PR read. Given that the other viable wagon at the time (RachMarie) was among your stated scum suspects you had every reason to post something to try to move that wagon. RachMarie was at L-2, you were the only one voting for me coming to deadline which made your vote useless. The only sensible town move there would be to try to shift the wagon from Gratuitous to RachMarie by first throwing your vote and then making whatever case you could, no matter how brief. You knew that Foxbird at least would be willing to compromise on the lynch if it came down to it so you could have protected the one you thought was a power role in favor of lynching a top scum suspect. But you didn't. You chose not to post when the deadline was looming and effectively let your power role read get lynched.
That's awful.
But there's a caveat. Your play was far from the only awful play to end that day. The end of the day, when we're hammering out a lynch that will often be a compromise, is a time that town really has to be there to stop scum from determining who the lynch candidate is. This lynch happened the way it did because I was the only active player not on the Gratuitous wagon already during the final 24 hours. Up to and including Gratuitous. Apparently, had I not been there we wouldn't have had a lynch at all which is just what scum wants. Town can't end days like that.
Regarding your case on me, you're going in to your reading at this point with the assumption that I'm scum trying to manipulate the game and you in particular into positions that help me. Either your scum or you've got a huge case of confirmation bias going on at this point. As the active player who's posting thoughts it's easy to read into what I'm typing to find evidence to back up whatever you think is true. If you were looking to find me town you'd certainly find plenty of that as well. It happens when people post often.
The thing is that you've got the wrong idea for good scum play. I can play scum. I can play it well. Glancing at my Wiki and the games that I recorded there I've got an 11-3 record as scum. I didn't get that by playing the game that I'm playing now. As scum my best play is to blend into the rest of the field and let town make their own mistakes. Players, especially in Newbie games assume that scum try to manipulate town into bad positions, but in my experience that's not the way things go. It means that you need to step out and bend a game which gets you noticed by what normally end up as paranoid player who are going to think that standing out makes someone scum. I have no reason to play the aggressive game that I'm playing now if I'm scum. My twilight thoughts? Why bother; no one else is. Prodding players to get them involved? People don't like being prodded and scum shouldn't want to do things to make themselves uncomfortable. Calling 5 of the 8 players that were in the game viable lynches when I entered? That's a way to make people dislike me and not worth it.
As scum There's no way I'd have the highest post count in the game (not even taking into account entering a week after it started.) I'd be as background as I could be to blend in with the overall flow, and that would be a hell of a lot more background than this. Even if you think I needed activity up front to assuage suspicions there'd be no reason to keep at it like this. As town I can't do that. As town I need to spur activity because a passive town will typically lose. I need people getting involved both so that I can get better reads on them and so that they can get their own reads and help the town win. I need to deprive scum the cover of inactivity so that they come out and make posts that give them a chance to make mistakes. I'd have to be an idiot to play this game this way as scum, but as town who wants to win, this is my best option.
And the thing is, I'm still pretty sure your town and that none of this is going to sway you. It's irritating, but I've played enough newbie games and seen this happen enough times before to get over it. Hell, the game that RachMarie and innocentvillager both mentioned when they saw me here had that happen in one of the few occasions that I couldn't talk myself out of it (
Newbie Game 1222.) I will say that what I really need you to do, and what it behooves you to do anyhow outside of my interests, is to spend at least as much effort looking at the other players. Even if I was scum I couldn't be scum alone, so if you need to frame it this way go find my partner.
@ecane, Foxbird and Nachomamma8, we're in day 2. You were all on the Gratuitous wagon. I want to know who you think is scum now that the flip has happened (and generally I want you here in the thread.)
-Zorblag R`Lyeh