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y so serious?In post 54, Lefty wrote:@BBT - are you gonna actually give a reason for your push? You are creeping out of ~reaction testing territory imo. What do you make of Invis and the other guy wagoning you instead?-
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not saying you couldn'tIn post 66, Lefty wrote:The dude called for more votes on my wagon like 2-3 times. I’m allowed to ask lol-
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thats a little hurr durr dontcha think?In post 211, Performer wrote:Gustavo: "I’m down for a fast day. I’m getting ready to play a game that ends in 36 hours so I need practice"
FOS: gustavo
This post just screams of suspicion. There's a difference between too fast & too slow.
How can you say this and think We can get something substantial in a fast day of 36 hours?
That's like saying "oh let's quickhammer." If you get lucky, you get a scum flip, if you get unlucky, you get a town pr flip.-
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its your toneIn post 74, Lefty wrote:
Was there a point you were trying to make here?In post 68, Nosferatu wrote:not saying you couldn't
no but ill read the past few pages and get back to youByronVilla wrote:Oh yeah Nosferatu you got any reads yet or not? (and if so can you give us some?)-
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thats literally just not a reason to vote someone. RVS wagon is not a mislynch.In post 71, teacher wrote:Im actually kind of inclined to agree. Last time I played with Town!BBT, they pushed a mislynch (me, grrrr) several times, but at least provided reasoning.
VOTE: BBT.
ok uhh, back it up, why does scum say that? They don't, move on. Withholding information argument is dumb and never applicable in like 90% of circumstances.In post 86, ByronVilla wrote:
OK now my vote is serious.In post 84, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.
^^In post 88, Tchill13 wrote:
now this could be scum... You really expect a reason for pushing a wagon before page 5?In post 71, teacher wrote:Im actually kind of inclined to agree. Last time I played with Town!BBT, they pushed a mislynch (me, grrrr) several times, but at least provided reasoning.
VOTE: BBT.
BBT - strongest scum/town read, why, and +rand on it?
VOTE: teacher
bad post.In post 95, Invisibility wrote:
bad postIn post 77, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:
I agree with this. But then why this:BBT's signature wrote:Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.In post 45, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Unfortunately, secret alts are all over the place. I'd sooner policy lynch em all!
VOTE: GEO
wtf are the votes in this game. We voting for commentary now?In post 110, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:VOTE: BV
107 is a commentary. Provides no information, communicates nothing, asks nothing, leads to nothing. So why make such a long post?
ok uhh, its not one of the scummiest things you can do (see above)In post 116, ByronVilla wrote:Ok I also wanna join in on this 1 scum 1 town read thing we're doing.
Townread: Lefty - Can really follow the thought process in a lot of his posts, and I like his reaction to BBT's wagon.
Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.
Pedit: Key word: Withholding. You're keeping information that could help the town away from the town, just to strengthen your push on Lefty (which isn't even a thing but still the point stands) I may have said hiding at some point, in that case I apologize as I meant withholding.
its probably a personal gripe. That's what it looks like.
It's definitely a personal gripe. That's what it looks like.In post 140, ByronVilla wrote:Jesus christ you just love using OMGUS don't you? Learn some respect jesus
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you know you don't really have to choose. One is pretty in the way of the other.In post 160, ByronVilla wrote: I play to win, not to survive.
his thought process is the problemIn post 161, Garmr wrote: VOTE: Invisibility His just opportunistically jumping on what wagon may take off. I see no real thought process of his own.
case in pointIn post 165, Invisibility wrote:it's like that stuff about calling BBT scum for being "an ass" i don't like
this just looks like you don't know who's on the right side of history yetIn post 211, Performer wrote: Bbt: asked people to follow him in the wagon on lefty - see below for the read on lefty. Said byron was scum. I don't see why. He's null more than anything to me.
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yeah...In post 238, Lefty wrote:Is this attitude of lynching players who are likely bad Town instead of scum common here?
^^moodIn post 239, Lefty wrote:FR he pretty much just regurgitated commentary that’s been hashed out pages ago. The only original take was calling out GEO.-
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he's clearly a newb ill wait it out before i look againIn post 305, Tchill13 wrote:
i'm surprised teacher isn't in this.In post 223, Nosferatu wrote:{invis, GEO, performer} can go.-
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can you order them?In post 407, wavemode wrote:for the record they're not ordered merely color coded
BlueBloodedToffee
ByronVilla
Lefty
Gosrir Elmer Odels
Nosferatu
Garmr
Invisibility
Gustavo
Tchill13
Tommy Egan
Performer
teacher
I'm colorblind-
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his interpretation wrt to the byron debacle looks like he's trying to play it too safe. he should have had some stance on one of you two.In post 416, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't have a strong enough reason to town read Performer (and thus fight his wagon) but that post isn't enough for me to understand how he is the leading wagon either. He needs to get in this game so we can get more from him.-
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Is that a stance to you? That doesn't mean anything. He made no conclusions as to the probable alignments of either of you. "I dunno" is not a stance.In post 420, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He did. He said he saw that I thought Byron was scum but didn't see why.-
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obviously this performer wagon is leading to a lynchBlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm saying lynching Performer D1 is sub-optimal play (almost regardless of alignment) because we have nothing else to work with atterwards. I'm saying that anyone who is town on that wagon needs to seriously question the motives/reasons behind it.
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yeah ok but there was no reason to do this. People don't get lynched on page 18.In post 449, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The intention is clearly there and now I have kicked up a fuss about it nobody will be leaving is easily/quietly.
I have forced people on the wagon to defend their position on it. They had the chance to get off - and didn't take it. Now they're committed.-
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ok just cause it happened in one game 6 years ago where the setup practically incentivized it doesn't mean it happens enough to actually worry about
maybe stop making headass pendantic arguments to justify you kicking up dirt on a push for no fucking reason whatsoever. You seemingly intentionally attempting to force a committal on a wagon that you shouldn't even really give a shit about is not town motivated.-
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how does this make you guys feel?In post 476, PenguinPower wrote:Performer (4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode
Invisibility (4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): Invisibility-
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that's sort of against the point of the things I chose to include.Gustavo wrote:
Considering how hard bbt was trying to get the teacher wagon back, I don’t like his vote on invisiblity. I feelIn post 484, Nosferatu wrote:
how does this make you guys feel?In post 476, PenguinPower wrote:Performer (4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode
Invisibility (4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): Invisibility
Like he completely abandoned it and went with a popular counter just to keep performer from being lead wagon.
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well it means they're not scum together.In post 489, Gustavo wrote:That’s also interesting but could be nothing-
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gonna do something about it?In post 492, Performer wrote:Yeah, of the 4 on my wagon, disliking Nos the most. Added to sr . Feels like he's sliding by and just keeping his read there on me.-
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Well if they were both scum they would probably cross-vote to distance from one another. They're not, one is on a vanity wagon, and thus they're probably not scum together.In post 515, Gustavo wrote:
How?In post 502, Nosferatu wrote:
well it means they're not scum together.In post 489, Gustavo wrote:That’s also interesting but could be nothing-
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are you completely aware of the game we're playing my dude?In post 559, Gustavo wrote:Using my opinion on game speed isn't bad logic, it is straight up stupidity as my opinion is completely unrelated to my alignment.
I didn't refuse...it's not like anyone asked me to and I said "nah fam"In post 551, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I feel like you're not reading the game properly when I see comments like this. Gus has fully defended his position as being based on content, as has Wave. Nos refused to leave the wagon despite claiming that Peformer isn't even his top scum read.
I'm not satisfied with what this wagon has gotten so far and quite frankly I don't even think it'll give much more
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ok but if you were completely lucid you'd know that opinions that you give are alignment indicative... This game is entirely based on judging people based on opinions they have on the game state and actions they make over perceived opinionsIn post 587, Gustavo wrote:
Yes I am. Are you?In post 586, Nosferatu wrote:are you completely aware of the game we're playing my dude?
you're pretending like opinions and alignment are completely unrelated which is like the farthest thing from the truth.-
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your judgement is clouded. I know what you're talking about. Performer's FOS on you for it wasn't that out there. Promoting a shorter deadline is not completely unrelated to alignment. You flipped out for literally no reason. It's the same concept behind scum self-hammering to cut discussion short.In post 595, Gustavo wrote:
I’m thinking you don’t know. Because the post I made and performer FOS’d me for is completely unrelated to my alignment and anyone who tries to use it against me is straight up scum imo.In post 593, Nosferatu wrote:
ok but if you were completely lucid you'd know that opinions that you give are alignment indicative... This game is entirely based on judging people based on opinions they have on the game state and actions they make over perceived opinionsIn post 587, Gustavo wrote:
Yes I am. Are you?In post 586, Nosferatu wrote:are you completely aware of the game we're playing my dude?
you're pretending like opinions and alignment are completely unrelated which is like the farthest thing from the truth.-
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obviously you're delusional. You have no sense of objectivity whatsoever. Have fun with this game.In post 597, Gustavo wrote:
Yes it is.In post 596, Nosferatu wrote:Promoting a shorter deadline is not completely unrelated to alignment-
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that's your guess for the good player? doubt.In post 615, Tchill13 wrote:NOS, Gus would be my best bet IF scum had one good player.-
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I'm not pushing one cause I don't have one, not concealing my top scumread for ~reasons~, that would be weird and dumbIn post 635, teacher wrote:Im not asking you who it is yet, but can you elaborate on why you arent pushing your strongest scumread? Also, way back when you said that Invis's first vote on GEO was a bad post, but now youre there on a fairly bald vote. Why?
As a general rule I don't really join a wagon cause its my top scumread, generally weigh each scum read equally in that I don't care which one gets lynched first. That's not to say there's not an order, but I don't really have a strict order as to my scumreads right now.
I'm not voting GEO for that bad post in the past nor am I voting him for any new reasons. It's a pressure vote to help sort. Questioning him is unnecessary.
See, you can't say that because BBT forced the wagon into stalling.Tchill13 wrote:If the performer wagon wouldn't have stalled like it has I would think pretty clearly that invis is scum. I feel pretty good that performer maybe scum.-
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It gets surprisingly easy if you complain about the same thing over and over again.In post 641, Lefty wrote: I’m not sure how MS handles this tell, but seeing as how Gus is nearly at his post count on D1 as his recently completely scum game, I sort of doubt he’s scum here. I’m of the type that don’t believe scum (minus a very select number of players IME) can maintain that sort of activity.
I mentioned them earlierIn post 642, Lefty wrote:@Nos - do you have scum reads? Like your philosophy is cool and zen af but you haven’t expressed any sort of suspicion that I remember thus far.-
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2/3 of those aren't what i consider active lurkingIn post 689, Tommy Egan wrote:Oh look Nos still literally providing nothing. I know that's rich coming from me but active lurking is 100% worse than not posting at all. The fact people are town reading this active lurking genuinely concerns me.
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the last two. One of them is actively trying to speculate about the alignment of relevant players with another person, and the other one is attempting to provoke someone with a scumread on me. I don't think either of those are active lurking.In post 702, Tommy Egan wrote:
Show me what isn't active lurking? And can I get that reads list I asked for?In post 699, Nosferatu wrote:
2/3 of those aren't what i consider active lurkingIn post 689, Tommy Egan wrote:Oh look Nos still literally providing nothing. I know that's rich coming from me but active lurking is 100% worse than not posting at all. The fact people are town reading this active lurking genuinely concerns me.
you would lynch byron? why?
Active lurking implies that I'm not reacting to the gamestate and giving information on it which isn't really true I think.
Top 10 useless fucking answersTommy Egan wrote:Oh and BV would be a half decent info lynch with a possibility that it's a scum slot aswell
No shit. Why do you think there's a possibility that it's a scum slot.
??? What happened?Lefty wrote:
UNVOTE: TeacherIn post 703, Tommy Egan wrote:Oh and BV would be a half decent info lynch with a possibility that it's a scum slot aswell
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this is true to a pretty good degree and i was aware of this, but someone asked so I was obligated to respond.In post 720, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, saying you"re applying pressure with a vote kind of relieves the 'pressure' you're supposed to be applying.-
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I'm not trying to approach this game from a readlist perspective like I usually do, but I'll do it once to give perspective
{Tchill, Lefty, Byron, Gus}
{BBT, Performer}
{Invis}
{GEO, teacher}
{wave, garmr, tommy}
Normally I start from the middle and branch out but I wanted to start from the bottom and grow up instead, so the bottom rung isn't necessarily just the scummiest of the earth to me, but instead they're people that haven't shown themselves as town, since the number of things I'm juggling at once right now sorta necessitates townhunting in most of my games.
pedit: see i knew you would ask that so ^^^
you have a point, but if there enough votes on a slot that they're in danger of getting lolhammered, the knowledge that there is a pressure vote is not exactly gamebreaking. I also didn't ask him any questions and he's aware I stuck on performer's wagon just because I could, so in this context it didn't really matter.BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Then you lie. Or withhold information.
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experienced players vote null slots because information is more important than acting out on personal grudges, but here we are.In post 749, Gustavo wrote:Sorry didn’t realize this was a newbie game. I thought experienced players could figure things out like that-
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Are you outside of the US? I assumed that we were the same age.In post 827, ByronVilla wrote:I was at college at this point.-
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how did i accidentally type assumedIn post 829, Nosferatu wrote:I was under the impression that-
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Are you saying I had invis in my scumreads? How did I position myself to vote invis?In post 932, Garmr wrote:So his previous scumreads are in the middle of the list So i'm just going to assume that means wave,tommy and I are null judging from his wording. So nothing really changed. Everything else feels fake a bland here. Nothing in his previous post indicate a thought process that leads up to this. Also would like to mention he positioned himself where he could vote Invis yesterday if needed but didn't touch it. He also barely interacted with the invis wagon and put himself in a position to lynch it if need be.-
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idk what you mean by this.In post 952, Garmr wrote:4.Post like 484 seem to lack drive he doesn't captalise on it.
I just don't townread him. I'm in several games and am occupied irl atm, scumhunting is a pain, I'm townhunting in 3/4 of my games rn.Performer wrote:Nos why did you sr garmr? Garm , I think nos is town - my read on him hasn't changed since I last posted about him.
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oh shitIn post 892, Aristophanes wrote:Good Morning!
I daid I was done with Mafia for a while but apparently i just can't stay away.
Nice vote BBT.
that's a name i havent seen in a game for a minute now
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It comes off as a TvT to me. If either of them were scum it would be byron just off of really cursory VCA, but I'd rather say TvT.In post 962, Performer wrote:@nos thoughts on byron and bbt?-
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ythoIn post 978, Tchill13 wrote:
wave has reached #1 TR status btw.In post 945, wavemode wrote:i will have to ask some friends after the game is over but i feel like to an experienced eye byron's play this game should be very obviously town. it even lines up with his town meta, if you care about that sort of thing
It doesn't really matter to me. wave posted more recently iirc.In post 981, Tchill13 wrote:
this is good. Now why did you vote Wave? Teacher is looking like scum here imo.In post 965, Nosferatu wrote:
It comes off as a TvT to me. If either of them were scum it would be byron just off of really cursory VCA, but I'd rather say TvT.In post 962, Performer wrote:@nos thoughts on byron and bbt?
idk i voted them to see what they'd do but they didn't really care?In post 983, Tchill13 wrote:Nos why is wave scum?
give it a sec.In post 984, Tchill13 wrote:ALSO.... Garmr tried to push nos and that was largely ignored. Thats very interesting.-
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you don't remember what town nos is like then lolIn post 991, Garmr wrote:You had Invis in your scumreads earlier on in the day then you gave no indication that you town read him or his position changed. You positioned yourself to vote invis because you could default back to your earlier reads if you needed to also in that position you could wait to see what happens. You would think a town nos would interact with the wagon of a scumread/former scum read, instead of watching to see what happens.
I would never position myself to vote someone as scum, especially given the playstyle I've decided to go with this game. I'm townhunting, so I'll vote legit anyone as long as they're not in my stronger townreads. Positioning myself to vote invis is unnecessary because I put myself in a position to vote literally anyone pretty early on in this game. In fact, I was actually planning on voting invis, but he got hammered when I was afk.
I also did give an indication that his position changed.
I don't really ask questions for the purpose of forming reads. Pretty rarely at least.You asked the question but didn't push it any further. You don't seem bothered if you get info out of them or not. You haven't done anything with the questions you asked to form any reads.
the post in question isn't even really directed at anyone in particular, and I continued the line of thought (pushing it further), so I'm not sure why you chose it to go with this point. I'm sure there are other posts I've made that would go along with this better.
Well, I kinda did coast d1, I don't really have scumreads so arguing against the consensus thing is just ??? and a good measure of my posts are filler.Didn't really address the rest of my post through.
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I voted almost randomly. Wave was the closest person above me who I didn't townread. I'm not analysing wagons and looking for the lowest resistance ones. I could have just dropped a townread overnight and voted BBT or Byron and enabled their TvT.In post 1021, Performer wrote:The combination of events has made me change my tr -> null -> sr for nos. It looks like nos is trying to vote the people with least resistance & when I analyzed my wagon & garm pushed a case against nos, nos reacted bizarre, which didn't look like it came from town.-
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Why are those posts scum?In post 1041, teacher wrote:But what locked it was 842, with a cherry on top for 1012’s willingness to admit his push was weak.-
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That's a jokeIn post 1045, Tommy Egan wrote:
Why is Garmr scumIn post 1044, Nosferatu wrote:*town, sorry I subconsciously said his actual alignment
I just accidentally typed scum-
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your reasons suck bro0ooIn post 1071, Garmr wrote:Lets all be honest hereThe nos wagon lost steam with out the main points being shut down for a mediocre at best wagon.Teacher post have been kinda bland null. Because lets be honest the people that are scum reading him are going his to null. Literally search teacher and see how many times the word null pops up. I honestly don't mind lynching null reads but when a null wagon shuts down one with actual legitimate reasoning behind it that's suss-
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how have I not been?In post 1085, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:If he's really about townhunting, he should be more transparent about his townreads.-
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