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Catching up progressively.
In post 14, Bins wrote:Btw I'm hated
I hope he is scum - but either way, this needs to be done with before any lylo happens, guys. :/
McMenno's role is probably the one third party whose alignment was NOT randomized. it fits perfectly. I believe that claim and I think it should not be touched; if false, we can just get his partners elsewhere. if True, damage to town is waaaaaay too big to consider lynching.
Also, if we keep him alive until the part where we all massclaim - then we can confirm that he is the sure-alignment role, and as such, probably not scum.
I don't like Derangement's posts. they make me feel odd. but I think it's more of a playstyle, and it's a town play, says my gut.
don't you think we should not be having you around in lylo?In post 53, Bins wrote:i don't really fear the fact that i'm hated. nor do i mind. i don't see why you should.
are you still hated in lylo, btw? I assumed yes.
This post is the first of yours in the game, and this is what you comment on? there's plenty to talk about already. Why stay out?In post 58, Ricastle wrote:
Sure, I'd love one.In post 55, Drixx wrote:So ... anyone want a stripper pole tonight?
^^^scumpost. town souldn't.In post 60, Bellaphant wrote:Yeah, if you are offering.
Wondering about lynching McMenno just to get his weird role out of the way.
VOTE: Bellephant
townpostIn post 68, Ricastle wrote:If the claim is true then we just ignore him.
elaborated townpost. this is good, but Ricastle was first..but this is elaborated and has good arguments.In post 73, Drixx wrote:The best play is to ignore him until we get other scum first. We know there are 3 scum plus one third party scum. If he's being honest, then lynching him is super dangerous. If he's lying to present just this conundrum to us, we can lynch him later. If he's telling the truth about being able to vote after death, and he's scum, then it still makes sense to kill him later. In every case the best play is to just set him aside until we get 2 or 3 of the scum dead, and re-evaluate from there. He can use that time to try and convince us he's town by his play.
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In post 75, Drixx wrote:If he's town, scum aren't going to night kill him and leave him as a stump who can vote. If he's scum, obviously scum aren't going to night kill him. Him making that claim ensured that his win condition is anti-town. He will never die in such a way that results in him having a pro-town vote afterwards (if his claim is true), and there's no way in hell he can be trusted in LYLO. He wins by surviving so if it goes to LYLO, scum will just vote and he'll follow and he doesn't give a shit which team wins so long as he wins.
He's a policy lynch as a survivor, and he knows it. The only real question is whether or not he actually has some kind of post death treestump voting ability. To me, that would fall into bastard territory but I'm not sure about the site guidelines and whether it would just be "non normal" or if it would be considered a bastard role. I'm tempted to just call bullshit on it and encourage that we kill the survivor as a matter of policy. If his claim is honest, he's even more of a threat than survivor's normally are.
In post 76, Derangement wrote:In post 75, Drixx wrote:If he's town, scum aren't going to night kill him and leave him as a stump who can vote. If he's scum, obviously scum aren't going to night kill him. Him making that claim ensured that his win condition is anti-town. He will never die in such a way that results in him having a pro-town vote afterwards (if his claim is true), and there's no way in hell he can be trusted in LYLO. He wins by surviving so if it goes to LYLO, scum will just vote and he'll follow and he doesn't give a shit which team wins so long as he wins.
He's a policy lynch as a survivor, and he knows it. The only real question is whether or not he actually has some kind of post death treestump voting ability. To me, that would fall into bastard territory but I'm not sure about the site guidelines and whether it would just be "non normal" or if it would be considered a bastard role. I'm tempted to just call bullshit on it and encourage that we kill the survivor as a matter of policy. If his claim is honest, he's even more of a threat than survivor's normally are.
The thing is, if his claim is legit, then while he's alive, he's an unknown.
He might help or hinder town, depending on which faction's the closest to winning.
But if he dies, then he'sguaranteedto be a problem for the faction dropping the hammer.
I am in no rush to risk the latter scenario, if I can help it.
In post 77, Drixx wrote:Don't you get it? Let's say he's being completely honest. His win condition will change after he's dead, but he still won't know who is scum or town, so he could just as likely help either side. Any way we slice it he is trouble, but he's muchmoretrouble if left alive, especially at end game. He has no incentive whatsoever to play for a town win and therefore is a policy lynch. The only reason we haven't already all agreed to lynch him today and moved on to talking about other things is because of his whole "My win condition changes from survivor to whichever team is responsible for killing me, and I get to vote when I'm dead so you better not lynch me" bullshit. Like ... that's exactly the kind of fake claim to expect from a Neutral Survivor who is aware of how anti-neutral the site meta is here. It is considerably more likely than not that the whole alignment changing (bastard for sure) voting after dead (at the very best non-normal, if not bastard) claim is just pure bullshit.
Is this logically difficult... at all?
Basically, he is now a utility for town because survivor; but if we lynch him, then he's a utility for town because scum. he will never be hammered by scum - because if he survives it's still good for them. that makes the game super unbalanced towards scum; and with another hated guy here - I'm starting to think that this claim is faulty. but again, it's just too risky to lynch, is it not???In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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In post 81, Derangement wrote:Okay, so.
By clever application of stalking, we know my post #27 was at19:02:31;
McMenno's last post on site was at21:12:25.
He is neither scum-hunting nor answering our questions.
So I'm inclined to suggest we start piling votes on him, if this doesn't change.
In the off chance that McMenno's claim isn't fake, we find a third-party who's willing to drop the hammer, assuming McMenno's victory condition only changes if there's an actualfactioninvolved.
If someone helps us with this, and McMenno turns out to really have been telling the truth, then that person's contribution will have helpedimmensely, making them pretty much unlynchable.
I'd offer to do so myself, but unfortunately I am town.
Any thoughts, comments, suggestions on how to improve on this idea, or flaws I might have missed are very welcome.
you should really use site-time timestamps -_-
anyways, this is good thinking. We should keep him alive for the while. if someone gets to L-1 and claims third party, we can allow him to hammer mcmenno.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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In post 83, Drixx wrote:Was there some part of #77 that was confusing, or are you trying to get me to scum read you for some reason flubber? I don't see me at all defending that bullshit claim there. I don't think there's any upside to letting him live. The worst case scenario is that his claim is actually true, and I am almost completely certain that he was spewing bullshit all over the place. Someone would have to come into the game and outright claim to be scum to get me to want to lynch someone else today, at this point.
Since there's no conceivable universe where scum come into the thread and say they are scum (would result in a mod kill I believe since it's playing against win condition), you should take that as confirmation that I plan to hammer the shit out of McMenno. I'm looking forward to it. In fact, I'm going to just go ahead and giveintent to hammerright now. Whomever puts him at L-1 ... know that I'm gonna hammer the second I notice.
In post 84, Derangement wrote:In post 83, Drixx wrote:you should take that as confirmation that I plan to hammer the shit out of McMenno. I'm looking forward to it. In fact, I'm going to just go ahead and giveintent to hammerright now. Whomever puts him at L-1 ... know that I'm gonna hammer the second I notice.
Whoa. Thank you!
Didn't expect we'd find a third-party that was pro-town enough to volunteer this quickly.
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such quick voting after the intent to hammer
this guy is scum if mcmenno's flip is antitown
^^^^is town
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I'm thinking, if mcmenno's role sucks ass regardless, why not lynch the Hated claim? also, not being hated in lylo does not make sense with that other claim because with a survivor, lylo is practically one day before actual lylo.
I think this is a 1v1 between menno and Bins. and I'm inclined to vote bins on policy, and see what happens.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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btw lol same
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k so I reread my own role and I believe that bins is indeed what he claimed; but roles are not alignment indicative and Hated is a policy lynch if there's a survivor.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Because while bins is hated, lylo effectively becomes earlier; and although he isntin lylo, while a survivor is alive, lylo is one day before lylo.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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@wanderer:
'm a little confused why Shos would think mcmenno has partners though. Shos seems to believe mcmenno's claim, so shouldn't he then also assume mcmenno doesn't have partners? 209 IF mcmenno's flip is anti-town? It's going to be anti-town, he's 3rd party. I also don't get why he would suggest a 1v1 in 216, and then 238 I don't get either because if it's lylo, it's lylo? Nullread mostly because I don't really know what to think.
I don't think he has partners, lol, and I don't believe I ever said anything like that. My current working theory is that McMenno is third party scum(lone scum) - as in, the role whose alignment was predetermined and not randomrolled.
The reason I suggest the 1v1 is because if we have a survivor then effectively, lylo is not when officially lylo is, and rather, it's before that - because if, say, there are 7 alive, 3 scum, 1 survivor, then scum have 4 votes with the survivor. this means that we are effectively in lylo BEFORE official lylo, which means that when we're in lylo, the HATED CLAIM is still active, meaning that even at 9 players alive, 3 scum, 1 survivor, 1 hated, it's game over already - because he needs only 4 votes to be lynched.
in short: with 3+1 scum, +1 survivor claim, +1 hated claim, THIS IS ALREADY LYLO.
the fact we have a dead scum helps us, yes, but the idea is still that I do not believe there's both Hated and survivorthingummywut thing.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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In post 253, elusive wrote:
Shos also strikes me as off. He is messing up player genders and continues to do so even after being clarified. That strikes me as purposeful. There is also a distance there.
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he asked, I answered. I accept what you said about lynching you later though, because we have dead scum and all. my vote on Belle is serious.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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In post 264, elusive wrote:In post 258, shos wrote:In post 253, elusive wrote:
Shos also strikes me as off. He is messing up player genders and continues to do so even after being clarified. That strikes me as purposeful. There is also a distance there.
I'm sorry, are you calling me scum because I call people 'he' instead of 'she'?
I'm calling you scummy because you are acting as if you are reading the game closely and are offering thoughts but you can't get player genders right and that kind of dissonance stands out.
Move off mcmenno, put him on the backburner and work on finding scum.
Derangement and odd music is where it's at. Shos a close third as scummy dude.
This game has 13 players, of which I played with 1. that's 12 new people to remember genders for. you'll have to excuse me about this, but last time I checked, this wasn't even mentioned prior to you saying it, so you are practically the only one noticing it. when I read the game I read the posts, rather then what's written under the names of people.
I *have* moved off mcmenno years ago, in fact I've never been on him, in acse you didn't see(accusing me of not reading the game?), and I'm voting Bell not because I randomized it.
I have no idea why people are scumreading derangement, I found him pretty ok.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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for the record - if you ask me who is in this game - I remember in the game on drixx, derangement, mcmenno, bins and elusive, all the rest need to step up for me to remember them.
also bins is a she and so is elusive. dunno about the rest,In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Oh now don't I love the attention from all the gals <3
@Ric - Bellaphant.
@Bell - that was really off the top of my head, lol, and this just proves the point. When playing with loads of new players, expecting people to remember everyone so quick, and extraspecially to remember everyone's gender, that's exaggarating, and scumreading me for it is incredibly far fetched, if not scummy by itself.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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@elusive:
That just makes it all a misrep; I don't recall anyone askibg me why I scumread belle, lol.
@wanderer: are you kidding? It literally says right there that I think X, but if bot, THEN partners. Lrn2rd
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@belle, whatmade you think i cannot tell you apart.? I requeated avvie change to one of you, so that you both dont have dark similar avvies - i dont care which one changes.
@wandere: im phoneposting, deleting large chunks ka harder thatn jusy eriting another line
@elusive: how am i acting noobish? You jist accused someone of being scum because his buddy was caught(???) how does that make any sense? Oh, my buddy was dayvigged, niw i must lurk. Not?
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Well I'm the only one with the agenda that you are scum, so I just need to find the time and will to do that; apparantly tehre's many(3?) people who think so about derangement, and not a single one managed to do that.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I'm not getting how the 'kept talking about mcmenno' thing is scummy; Practically, three things happened in the game so far - Hated claim, Mcmenno claim, and dayvig. There's realy not much to say about the dayviggging, unless the dayvig himself ever wants to come clean and conftown themselves(or at least, confnot-mafia). Then there's the Hated and Survivor claim, which together, if both true, put town in a very dangerous position. I can't see how talking about either is a bad thing to do.
the attempt to connect flub with him is laughable at best, and the rest of those points are just terrible
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In post 299, elusive wrote:yes it is
Bins, is that just in regards to mafia or life in general? That feeling that something intangibly elusive is out there and you just need t...
shos I've seen your scum game(s) so ur reaching mate and like need to try harder to detract attention from derangement whos obv scum and needs the noose but let the deranged stand on the stool for a little bit longer...let the stool rock back and forth and we see the sheen of sweat and tears....
prod prod prod the lurky turkies
I'm sorry, I don't understand you english.
explain the relation of my scum game(s) to my play here, lol. I'm hyper as scum, and much more enthusiastic, lol. so please elaborate.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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are you seriously accusing him of spamming the thread??? soon both me, you, bins and bell have more posts than him.
and the Flubber point is laughable because you can't just assume that all scum interact with their partners in the same way, which you have said based on like 1 post, and no meta at all.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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ok so I fully read this:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=25010
and I have no idea what interactions you find scummy, please enlighten me. also, I don't see why keeping the discussion on mcmenno is bad since I did it too willingly; and I have no idea what any of you want with oddmusic in his 2 posts which were OK.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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VOTE: elusive
Intriguing how you tell me he is scum by interactions
Then I read them and link to tgem
Then you say you'll read
>>that means you lied about it earlier
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whaaat?
you guys told me to read the interaction, which IS THE LINK I POSTED, so I did. That link is the combined ISO of Flubber, Derangement, and oddmusic. You told me to look at the interactions between them and say if these are not scum interactions. And I said, literally "I have noidea what interactions you find scummy". how could this POSSIBLY be a game with meta on flubber? also why the fuck would I meta the dead guy?
if the link is not clickable, why not copy paste to address line?
I think the fact that you *still* haven't opened the link to find out what's in it shows what you're actually trying to do here, and that is to throw mud at me as much as you can.
Also, if any lynch on me happens, I'd be glad if you would be the hammer vote, and not one of the middle ones.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Because it collects all the posts of only the three people you're talking about, and because I literally asked you to tell me WHERE in these interactions you see scummy?
you repeatedly say that the interactions are bad, yet nobody told me WHERE. like post NUMBERS and stuff that I can see. I read that ISO and it didn't look bad to me, hence my question.
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page 8 is what originally made me scumread Belle; and now when I ISO him to find my earlier reason I notice that on post 251 he may have scumslipped.
In that post Belle said we've got only 2 scum left now; I think this mistake comes from being in it, and counting two members left, only, forgetting that there's another third party scum. It's not a scumslip per-se but it has weight.
in post 256 he suspects Jeanne for scum for...uh...wat? Jeanne didn't post yet.
then there's his superfake posts in argument with me on page 10.
That should be it I think
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@Brantz, what's confusing about Jeane? her ISO is empty for every practical use. There's only the governor-type claim and....that's it.
*actively ignores McMenno*
@Elusive: I voted without reason at first in order to see response of the votee. I got totally ignored. Ask yourself if you'd 100% ignore a vote on you or not; and also I scumread belle waaay before she voted me, if you read closely. Meanwhile, you have been consistently avoiding my requests to show me WHERE is the scummy interaction.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I'll just add that I think there is scum motivation here because I see multiple people calling derangement scum with the argument that him disappearing is relevant.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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this obviously means that I acknowledge being asked and refuse to answer -_-;
@Belle:
ika literally defined scum in that post. and what can possibly be completely different? an SK? please.
ever considered Jeane crumbing? FFS when did you join the site? yesterday?
and obviosuly mixing games up is MIXING GAMES UP and completely irrelevant to the game? unless your argument is that she intentionally did that to keep lurking, but I doubt that's it.
in page 10 I stand by everything I said, and you accusing that as coming from scum is horseshit; all your posts on that page are just shit content-wise and look fake, as in, oh let's find something to say uhhhh HERE strawman thissss strawman thatttttt annnnd we got a case dun dun dun
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@ric:
your joindate kinda saves your butt from a vote right now for rolefishing. if McMenno wants to interact with town, he has plenty of other posts to comment about. he's ignoring the thread altogether..
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I don't recall even seeing *your* reasons; I only remember belle's, and her(HAHAH HER NOT HIS) arguments sucked butt.
Also, I request for the tenth time, please quote me the interactions between flubber and derangement that you think are scummy. also, explain to me how oddmusic's 2 posts makes you think he/she cooperates with flubber.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Here's my prediction for the near future:
D1 Belle dies after 1v1ing elusive
N1 I get NKed
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If some who is really really townie hammers me, it's easier
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and Bellescum, please explain to me how the fuck is Jeanne mislynch bait? has she done anything scummy? at all? same goes for oddmusic.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Jeanne has exactly 10 posts, not different at all than oddmusic. you just said she is mislynch bait, and I disagree; anyone that would suddenly decide to policy lynch lurkers I would consider scummy in that they're trying to avoid acting on the actual existing content.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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VOTE: Ricastle
continued attempts at rolefishing while throwing mud is enough.
this is a WTF game, nothing is 'obvious'. even if I am a bomb - a bomb blows up if it is NIGHTKILLED. so if I was trying to draw the NK, why would you say it loud?In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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You underestimate ika, lol.
I will not claim because there is no use for it. You keeping up the rolefishing like a bo$$ makes me even surer that you're scum. Wanderer cooperating with you makes more senes, so that seems like an idiot townie, because by voicing his thoughts he helps the rolefishing, and yet, his thoughts are sound if this is what he thinks is true.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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If I hammer myself that would explainenough how you are all jist wrong?
This is a WTF mafia. I have a role that I have not heard of before. I can agree to hammer myself, or to allow Ric or elusive to hammer me. (If they dare, lol).
The fact that morw than one guy thinks they can outguess the mod in a game like this dazzles me because FFS guys.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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