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What, no way? I was huge lim bait that whole day and enchant replaced in and most people had declared them as "doing something" which was "townie." I remember this because I was suspicious of them because the "something" they were doing didnt seem like much to me.In post 8516, fireisredsir wrote:true yea if he was SK he would be more likely to shoot you if anything
What is this revisionist history?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Frogsterking (3): guiltylion, fireisredsir, dannflor
fireisredsir (1): Ausuka
DeasVail (1): Frogsterking
Dannflor (1): Titus
Not voting (3): Datisi, DeasVail, thestatusquo
Looks like this is where we're at right now. I would like frogster to come in and respond to the various things I asked him to do before we lim, obviously.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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@frogsterkingIn post 8447, Thestatusquo wrote:
what context in this game applies to you but not me outside of possibly alignment?In post 8382, Frogsterking wrote:
This is probably mid tier because it's a really weird tinfoil that jumped off from something I said in a very wrong direction, divorced from all context in the game.In post 8360, Thestatusquo wrote:The other thing that I find striking is there seems to me to be a marked difference in how frogster has approached today compared to other days in tone and substance. Previous days there were a lot of loud proclamations about who was scum and a lot of antagonism towards scum reads as well as sort of a brash confidence which seems to be completely gone today. He is definitely coasting. Unlike the other players who seem to have hesitation based off of being genuinely unsure of who could be scum out of the options frogster just doesn't seem to be thinking about it all that much.
I am kind of taken with that post that dannflor called town from frogster because something I try to do a lot is listen to people when they talk about things that they think about wrt others alignment because frequently they take those observations with their self as a baseline. Frogster said he thought I might be town because I haven't "burned out." But it seems like he himself has burned out a bit here.
Also you spent like 10 posts talking about how bad the cases on you are but you didn't actually give reasons why they're bad. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Tell me why the cases against you are bad if you don't want me to put stock in them, don't just dismiss them with ad homs. If you're town and you don't want me to vote for you, you need to recognize that I find some of it pretty convincing and respond to it substantively. Just dismissing things angrily isn't going to work.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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To the last part: why?In post 8585, DeasVail wrote:
I think it's not out of the question for scum to do that sort of thing. It has the advantage of looking like townie effort (plus there was already some amount of suspicion around fire's reread not being townie enough), plus I don't think it's so much of a stretch for fire-scum to think "what would I do if I didn't know that CSF was scum?"In post 8582, GuiltyLion wrote:
I guess it's less that fireisred reversed tack once CSF was outed and more that he wrote an enormous case on me that he would know has an expiry date in the first place. Like CSF was in full anti-spew mode from the get, why go through the effort of pretending (or actually) rereading the entire game and write an enormous narrative for a fabricated scumread that you're willing to drop at a moment's notice. it's just not intuitive to me as what scum would doIn post 8475, Dannflor wrote:I don't think Guilty Lion's reasons to town read Fire are very good because I don't understand what GL actually expects scum!fire to do differently in this situation. Hard push both Frogster and GL as scum after CSF flips scum? That doesn't really make sense. Fire just needs to leave the door open to go back to suspecting GL later and all he has to do is town flip Frogster to do that. There's only one scum left (or at least there better be), so pushing two people when you want one person to help you this phase seems counterintuitive for scum.
it's possible that you're right. but on an instinctual level it just doesn't align with how I feel scum would play. I think scum would be generally more prone to enacting their long term agenda contingent on CSF going down, not setting up a gameplan that they'd then immediately have to scrap
As much as frog is frog, I think that his talk of how he wouldn't be this creative as scum is... probably true?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ok I'm gunna need way more explanation on this one.In post 8590, Frogsterking wrote:My Town read on GL is plummeting rapidly. I'm starting to get similar vibes from them that I got from Gamma.
In what way is gamma similar to GL?
Also, if I recall correctly you defended gamma and then only moved onto her when she became MT. Is this wrong? If so can you give me posts where you suspected Gamma and then tell me how those posts are similar to how you feel about GL?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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So you're not going to answer the questions at all then? Feels like if you were town and really thought GL might be scum and that its in your trajectory you'd really want to help me see it.In post 8595, Frogsterking wrote:
It sounds like you should reread my trajectory on Gamma because your selective memory is skipping a lot of important events so that you can rationalize your shitty frog tunnel.In post 8593, Thestatusquo wrote:
Ok I'm gunna need way more explanation on this one.In post 8590, Frogsterking wrote:My Town read on GL is plummeting rapidly. I'm starting to get similar vibes from them that I got from Gamma.
In what way is gamma similar to GL?
Also, if I recall correctly you defended gamma and then only moved onto her when she became MT. Is this wrong? If so can you give me posts where you suspected Gamma and then tell me how those posts are similar to how you feel about GL?
But you're still arguing with me as if you're trying to argue with scum when you need to convince me that someone else is scum. Which is just like...a vibe I guess.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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pretty simple questions to be honest.In post 8593, Thestatusquo wrote:
Ok I'm gunna need way more explanation on this one.In post 8590, Frogsterking wrote:My Town read on GL is plummeting rapidly. I'm starting to get similar vibes from them that I got from Gamma.
In what way is gamma similar to GL?
Also, if I recall correctly you defended gamma and then only moved onto her when she became MT. Is this wrong? If so can you give me posts where you suspected Gamma and then tell me how those posts are similar to how you feel about GL?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Well, ok, then I'll take the time to educate you hoping you are in good faith. That specific affectation is frequently used to make fun of and mockingly mimic those with developmental disabilities. It is extremely hurtful language in this sense and I think that if you are seriously doing it with no knowledge of that and do it in other contexts I would sincerely ask you reconsider because of the impact.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I didn't make an analysis of your read trajectory. I said what I vaguely remembered and then asked you if it was wrong, and that's not even the important part of my question which was me asking you how that related to GL with examples from said trajectory.In post 8635, Frogsterking wrote:You're analysis of my read trajectory on Gamma is wrong by the way because you're ignoring my D1 play.
@Shea,
Not you, fire.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 8641, fireisredsir wrote:
everything you post is just extremely hollowIn post 8636, Frogsterking wrote:
This is a scum line FYIIn post 8634, fireisredsir wrote:that said, nothing he's done on the last few pages feels remotely believable to me, so
there's nothing behind it, you're just posting conclusions and then refusing to show any of the thought process that led you to those conclusionstout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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But fine, I'll restate:
You said GL was starting to remind you of how gamma made you feel and that is why you suspected him.
My question was 1) explain what about GL reminds you of gamma, 2) that I remember you not really scum reading gamma that much until he became morningtweet. Is that correct, if not can you show me some posts of said trajectory and then 3) can you relate those posts about how you were "feeling" about gamma that guiltylion is reminding you of.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This projection is roughly what I remember by the way. You briefly pushed at gamma for about one total page in a very distance-y sort of way and then immediately moved off of her at the very first chance you got and then didnt really significantly push gamma again.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Please break this down further.In post 8661, Frogsterking wrote:
This is the feeling I was referring to when I said that GL is reminding me of Gamma's slot. Looking at this post, the main difference is that GL's play just makes me confused and agitated, and I haven't seen the concrete identical scum posts which I was also seeing from Gamma.In post 2140, Frogsterking wrote:Uhh Gamma traitor maybe? Or Town on tilt? Or scum playing better than they have in the past? My instincts are both to Town and scum read Gamma and that's the best I can rationalize that. I feel like Gamma is working within the PoE laid out by the Town core but in the worst way possible. I've seen Gamma make three tells now which I can link directly to their scum meta.
Which of the following statements is correct:
1) You think GL might be a traitor
2) You think GL is town on tilt
3) You think GL is scum playing better than they have in the past
4) Your instincts are that its best to both TR or SR guiltylion
5) You think GL is working within the PoE laid out by the town core but in the worst way possible
6) You have seen GL make three tells now that you can link directly to their scum meta.
Please tell me which numbers and explain how GL is making you feel that way.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I mean its pretty clear to me that you went back into your meta, desperately tried to find a post that was vague enough that you could sort of half link it to your nonsense GL point and then posted it.
The problem is that it doesn't make sense, even by the standards of some of your other pushes.
GL is on tilt? How? Why would he be town who is tilted in this scenario? How is thinking someone is town on tilt a basis for scum reading them?
4) is nothing. That's just how mafia works.
5 is word salad that doesn't mean anything. What is "the town core" in this scenario? Is the PoE just me you and fire? Is 'working in it in the worst possible way' just code for "voting you?" if not, how is GL in particular making you feel different from any of the other people voting you.
This is just utter nonsense, mate. I'm sorry, this is just some of the worst rationalized justification for a fake read I've ever read in my entire life.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I think it already has been. I think its incredibly productive for deas and ausuka and whomever else is not voting frogster to see this utter sham of a fake scum read that he is ex post facto and hilariously trying to justify by digging in his iso and looking for any post that he can try to stretch to be similar to something he might be "feeling" about GL right now.In post 8665, Dannflor wrote:Shea do you think this is going to get productive at any pointtout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I just very strongly feel that frogster is the last scum here. It doesn't particularly matter if we go frog into fire or fire into frog but the thread would be a lot less chaotic if we do the former with the bonus point that I think that will also end the game a whole day sooner.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I mean, I was trying to do this, because I thought he was scum and was trying to end the day.In post 8719, Dannflor wrote:I had a brief moment before twilight where I was wondering if Shea was trying to goad Frogster into cluttering up the thread and making his elimination happen
but when I read back I decided that's a pretty uncharitable interpretation
I don't super like fire having some vague doubts about Frog being town at EoD yesterday but not so much as hinting at another suspect. It felt more like posting doubt just to post doubt when I think it is natural to have paranoia about at least one other person in this game state?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I think Fire pushed for a frogster lim decently hard yesterday.
I guess he's kind of doing the same with DV here.
I guess I'm just noting a difference in rhetoric and action here which is familiar to me because its very much what I was doing earlier in this game when I self voted myself to try to demonstrate how I was willing to lim myself to get out of the way.
I was performatively trying to look townie while trying to push the town towards limming the people I thought were scum if we didnt end up going for me.
It feels like maybe fireisred is being performative in the same way to me here. I'm not saying I'm town reading them but I think that difference in rhetoric and action is important and I know for a fact that perfomatively LAMISTing as town is something town sometimes do because I did it myself this game.
IDK.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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That being said there feels like an...idk it feels like fire is pushing people because he knows he'd be expected to push people but it feels like theres not that much actual attempt to solve the game in the sense that there seems like there's very little curiosity about people's alignment outside of DVs just like yesterday there seemed like very little curiosity in peoples alignment outside of frogster.
Like its simultaneously projecting confidence and lack of confidence and that's what's really bugging me about it.
Like it looks like fireisred cased DV because he knew he had to push someone and went back and found a bunch of stuff that look bad for DV and it feels like thats the kind of same thing he did yesterday with frogster, but why arent we considering other options outside of just casing one person?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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So you decided to follow that up by making the same mistake today on the rest of the game?In post 8841, fireisredsir wrote:i think my reasons to townread everyone else are good
i didn't revisit my reasons to townread dv yesterday bc i was focused on frog and that was a mistaketout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Like how is your play today wrt DV different substantively from your play yesterday with frogster? Are you saying you went back and looked at everyone else and found lots of reasons to town read them and then didn't feel the need to share that? Would that not be part of why you would think DV was scum?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This feels a little bit like a lie to me, or at the very least is incongruous with every other way you've presented yourself in terms of your confidence and mindset and worldview this game.In post 8839, fireisredsir wrote:In post 8833, Dannflor wrote:
but ig its true that (maybe cocky) i do believe that if i were scum in this position i would wintout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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